Re: [9fans] Very Off-Topic: Anybody here reads Sci-Fi? :)
I think Dune is a must read for any scifi fan... I am a retro-scifi fan... I love to read the stories, but sometimes a 50's movie can tell a story quite nicely... Crappy FX require a better plot to keep you watching... I recommend: - The Forbidden Planet (The best!) (Very likely the precursor of Star Trek) - The day the Earth stood still (Not the remake, the old one) (GREAT music) (Klaatu Barada nikto!) - THX 1138 (The only good movie George Lucas has ever done) (A little bit dense) - Soylent Green - War of the worlds (old movie, not the remake) - Voyage to the centre of the Earth (old movie, great for a sunday evening with kids) - The time machine (Again, the old movie) Some other interesting movies... - Silent Running - Solaris (both Soviet and American remake) - Metropolis (It is great, but it is also long... Very good visuals... There are some alternative suggested sountracks around... look for them) - Capricorn One (For the ones that still think that Apollo never made it to the Moon) And of course Plan 9 from outer Space!! On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? is now a 'short story'? Or your sci-fi expertise is equivalent to your technical expertise? You're right. It's a novel--a long story. I haven't read it. Which is why I didn't recommend it. I named and recommended what I had read. --On Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:54 PM +0100 Uriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At last, something I can claim expertise in--you actually see the sci-fi expertise showing on my feeble attempts at technicality ;-) [...] Then there's Philip K. Dick. One of his short stories was recommended (by which the film Blade Runner was inspired). Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? is now a 'short story'? Or your sci-fi expertise is equivalent to your technical expertise? Peace uriel PS.: And I agree with yy, it is a very recommendable book, as is most work by P.K. Dick. Also is very recommendable almost everything by Jack Vance, although it is less 'sci-fi' and more high quality literature.
Re: [9fans] Where to find plan9
google should be enough... http://9fans.net should be the result of your search... But then... Am I the only one unable to reach 9fans.net? cheers! On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Riza Dindir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, Where can we find the plan9 distro? Regards, rd
Re: [9fans] space glenda - in acrylic
I love it... I am waiting to see that on Guggenheim Museoa soon... ;) Perhaps some glenda stickers too... I am sure there is enough artwork to have some nice merchandise On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:46 AM, kix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great! T-shirts I need a new Plan9 t-shirts. -- kix - http://www.kix.es On Jun 28, 2008, at 5:11, Rob Pike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://flickr.com/photos/redlense/2429073822/
Re: [9fans] I/O load crashes Qemu
In fact it is definetly not a plan9 issue... If qemu fails hosting plan 9, it affects plan 9 but there is little to be done unless we communicate with the qemu dev team. Plan 9 is not the only os having problems with DMA access through qemu. I am myself a moron... All I know is that the issue exists, I don't know why... (But it would be very appreciated if an explanation is given) One thing I've thought several times is that perhaps qemu-ide specific drivers need to be done. Many hosted OSs need custom made drivers to be used with a virtualizer. I am sure a lot has been discused about this on the list. I'll try to do a quick scan about it later. On 6/13/08, Bakul Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything, in my experience, crashes QEMU. Nice try. Just the opinion of me and my dog (who barks loudly when I shout f**king QEMU - piece of f**king sh*t!). I have used qemu/freebsd for the past 4 years or so. On the whole it has worked quite well. I often use plan9, Windows 2000 and freebsd under qemu for hours on end. Juergen Lock has done an excellent job on making sure qemu+kqemu continue to work on freebsd but he has needed feedback from qemu/freebsd users. If you plan on continuing with qemu it might be worth asking on the qemu-devel mailing list or #qemu on freenode as I don't think any qemu dveloper follows 9fans. But they will need details like the host OS and version, qemu version, command line used, exact symptoms, steps to repeat the problem etc.
Re: [9fans] I/O load crashes Qemu
FPGA's are getting cheaper. A friend of mine got a nice Spartan III
for less than us$50
Clock speeds are still behind the usual ASIC (lack of sleep might
alter my grammar habilities), but I think they are ok for things like
a java vm, or a nes emulator...
Years ago I made a picoJava based processor and it was really fun...
All we need is to put that into a PCI thing and enjoy (And it would
even be better if you can program the thing dynamically from your pc
as needed)
I also believe I've seen some SUN workstations that do have a pci
processor to emulate an x86 machine...
Blah... I really need to sleeep.
I hate PHP.
On 6/13/08, Pietro Gagliardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 13, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Bakul Shah wrote:
IMHO a virtualizable processor is the necessary first step as
And don't forget the cost of a virtualizer v. the cost of actual hardware.
Verilog is free, but the device to make it is not. Start simple:
void
main(int, char *[])
{
while(readbyte()){
parseinst();
doinst();
}
exits(nerrs ? error : 0);
}
Re: [9fans] I/O load crashes Qemu
Thoughts: + Running Plan 9 on qemu is slow (when doing disk access) (the ethernal DMA wiwi bla bla bla) + qcow2 is quality challenged, but I think that the standard plan9.img ain't qcow2 +kqemu has worked for me very well... but I have not benchmarked it. + Unpacking 100 MiB sounds like a lot of I/O... Ergo a lot of disk ergo a lot of no-dma bottleneck Good luck On 6/12/08, Pietro Gagliardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 12, 2008, at 9:54 PM, Venkatesh Srinivas wrote: Hi, I currently use Plan 9 in qemu 0.9.1; whenever I try to do anything I/O demanding such as unpacking a ~100MB tarball, qemu locks up and refuses further connections (via vnc, or gdb for example). I am using fossil alone. This behavior occurs whether kqemu is enabled or not, though it happens a lot faster w/o kqemu. Has anyone else noticed anything like this? Any thoughts about running Plan 9 in qemu? Thanks, --vs Compressed disc image (qcow2)? That's what screwed up my fossil+venti.
Re: [9fans] I/O load crashes Qemu
Also... Renice if you can. On 6/12/08, Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thoughts: + Running Plan 9 on qemu is slow (when doing disk access) (the ethernal DMA wiwi bla bla bla) + qcow2 is quality challenged, but I think that the standard plan9.img ain't qcow2 +kqemu has worked for me very well... but I have not benchmarked it. + Unpacking 100 MiB sounds like a lot of I/O... Ergo a lot of disk ergo a lot of no-dma bottleneck Good luck On 6/12/08, Pietro Gagliardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 12, 2008, at 9:54 PM, Venkatesh Srinivas wrote: Hi, I currently use Plan 9 in qemu 0.9.1; whenever I try to do anything I/O demanding such as unpacking a ~100MB tarball, qemu locks up and refuses further connections (via vnc, or gdb for example). I am using fossil alone. This behavior occurs whether kqemu is enabled or not, though it happens a lot faster w/o kqemu. Has anyone else noticed anything like this? Any thoughts about running Plan 9 in qemu? Thanks, --vs Compressed disc image (qcow2)? That's what screwed up my fossil+venti.
Re: [9fans] Running plan 9 on a Toshiba laptop
By disk controller I mean the chipset that handles your disk. I believe (I've had problems myself) that many SATA controllers are still buggy/not supported on plan 9. Toshiba Satellite 2800? I don't think you have the same laptop. That 2800 was a single core computer. 2800s are a whole series of laptops 2800-500 would be a celeron based one, etc... (I am asuming that is the laptop you are talking about because it is the only toshiba listed on the previously on plan 9 section) Get the output from lspci on lunix or some other utility on windows or whatever your usual poison is. Suerte. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:12 AM, hugo rivera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are no error messages at all, it just freezes in the DMA question, before I answer anything. My laptop is listed in the wiki as: worked in previous releases and may work in the current one. I have a SATA disk, is that what you mean by disk controller? Gracias por tu ayuda Hugo 2008/6/10 Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hola! Any error message? What is your disk controller? Have you read the wiki? Is it supported? Does it freeze whether you choose to use DMA or not? éxito! On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:51 PM, hugo rivera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: I downloaded the plan 9 iso image a couple of days ago. I just burned it and booted in a Toshiba with an intel Core2 Duo, with a sata hard drive. When I just run plan 9, without installing it, everything runs ok, but when I choose the install option, it starts loading and the freezes in the use dma question. Any clues? Saludos Hugo
Re: [9fans] Running plan 9 on a Toshiba laptop
Hola! Any error message? What is your disk controller? Have you read the wiki? Is it supported? Does it freeze whether you choose to use DMA or not? éxito! On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:51 PM, hugo rivera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: I downloaded the plan 9 iso image a couple of days ago. I just burned it and booted in a Toshiba with an intel Core2 Duo, with a sata hard drive. When I just run plan 9, without installing it, everything runs ok, but when I choose the install option, it starts loading and the freezes in the use dma question. Any clues? Saludos Hugo
Re: [9fans] Laptop advice
Who needs firefox having abaco ;) In fact I think linux has become more and more bloa... I mean resource demanding lately. Some years ago I had a 100MHz IBM (Cyrix?) 8MiB ram machine that made marvels for me... It is impressive what we did with so little... 3d modelling, raytracing... What did get so wrong that now people are willing to pay for a 1GiB ram minimum resource predator? Anyway... Someone told me that Toshiba Libretto C70 works good with plan 9... plus it is VHS sized. (I think that floppy is a little tricky... I'll have to ask) On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:49 AM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon Jun 9 11:33:19 EDT 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could well believe that Vista would struggle on anything less than a Cray, but Linux isn't *that* demanding is it? I had a look at the T22 specs and they seem pretty respectable to me, at least compared to some of the systems I have Linux running on (eg 64MB, 266MHz Pentium MMX). And BSD is still running fine on my 48MB, 66MHz 486dx (although admitedly its not so good for running netscape or heavy crypto). Of course it might be different if I were trying to run full blown KDE or GNOME, but you can't really blame the operating system for that. (though a T22 looks like it would be able to handle it if necessary) well the first thing most people run on linux is firefox, flash and acrobat. those three horsemen of the apocalypse bring my pIII/256mb machine to its knees. while your point is valid, the only reason i run linux at all is for the three horsemen. so maybe linux is not short for gnu/linux in most people's mind, it's short for firefox/linux. :-) - erik
Re: [9fans] Laptop advice
I am trying Eeepc... But I've had a lot of work lately, so I've fallen into the lunix dark side in the meanwhile. I think it is mostly an usb bootability matter. Eeepc ain't very exotic... On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 1:41 PM, matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back in March people were trying the EEEPC with slight progress - did anyone get any joy there ? I have a T23 which is a good Plan 9 laptop with Orinoco PCMCIA WiFi, though I've not tried the AC97 They are under 200 euros on ebay with 512Mb 80Gb 1024x768 screen 3 buttons and a nipple not a touchpad no Windows key :)
Re: [9fans] Does Plan 9 do this? It crashes QEMU on Leopard
Pietro: I use Plan 9 on qemu, on Leopard, on a Hackintosh... I've also tried it on a real mac... It works like a charm... Perhaps I haven't run over the bug... But still... I've been using this for several months now... Cheers! On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 10:17 PM, Bruce Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Pietro Gagliardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following was taken from a log of a run of Plan 9 on QEMU on Leopard. When Venti told me it would archive some blocks, this is what happened: Apr 19 21:09:11 ool-18b97500 [0x0-0x44d44d].ch.kberg.q[9530]: sb16: attempt to change DMA 8bit 32(1), 16bit 6(5) (val=0x40) and everything stopped. Does Plan 9 change the DMA in such a way? Thanks. once again, grep is your friend. you have the source. why waste time? brucee
