Re: [9fans] GSoC application ideas page
Oddly enough, that idea does not come with the rider, And then force Peter to use the library exclusively. I somehow doubt that acme will [snip] Be sure I will never downgrade to bells and whistles that add no functionality, hewever, others would.hen rewrite every other's program UI? :-) Best, ++pac
Re: [9fans] GSoC application ideas page
On Mar 13, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote: I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. This has obvious utility, but I'm hesitant to add it without a mentor who can vouch for its suitability for a summer-sized student project, and who'd be willing to mentor a good proposal for it. To me, it seems larger than that, but I'd be happy to be wrong. Any takers? Let's not take this one completely off the table yet. SSHv2 would be extremely useful in helping open up communication with external systems again. I use to find sshnet extremely viable in a mixed network where now I'm just using sshv2 to tunnel in overly complicated startup scripts. sshv2 as a gsoc project will fail. having seen an implementation done up close, it's 3+ man-months of effort for a very skilled full-time professional with years of plan 9 experience. even so there are a number of important decisions that will take up the summer like how to relate to the v1 implementation, how to deal with passwords keyrings and certs. those are going to cost time. i'd love to find the student who could do it in about 1/3 the hrs. but i don't think that's realistic. - erik
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I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. ... Let's not take this one completely off the table yet. SSHv2 would be extremely useful in helping open up communication with external systems again. As Erik said, there is a substantial effort here, probably more than we could expect of a student during a summer. However, I can now say that the effort has been made, and something more of an announcement will be forthcoming. It'll probably be at least a few days, but a native SSHv2 implementation does exist. I use to find sshnet extremely viable in a mixed network where now I'm just using sshv2 to tunnel in overly complicated startup scripts. There's not a direct replacement for sshnet per se in this implementation, but here ssh becomes a protocol sitting in /net. So it should be pretty easy to tunnel just about anything, and I suspect that the changes needed to sshnet would be relatively minor and would cut out all the SSH protocol bits. BLS
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On Wed Mar 14 14:03:34 EDT 2012, blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. ... Let's not take this one completely off the table yet. SSHv2 would be extremely useful in helping open up communication with external systems again. As Erik said, there is a substantial effort here, probably more than we could expect of a student during a summer. However, I can now say that the effort has been made, and something more of an announcement will be forthcoming. It'll probably be at least a few days, but a native SSHv2 implementation does exist. I use to find sshnet extremely viable in a mixed network where now I'm just using sshv2 to tunnel in overly complicated startup scripts. There's not a direct replacement for sshnet per se in this implementation, but here ssh becomes a protocol sitting in /net. So it should be pretty easy to tunnel just about anything, and I suspect that the changes needed to sshnet would be relatively minor and would cut out all the SSH protocol bits. boo-ya! - erik
Re: [9fans] GSoC application ideas page
It would be nice to have a widget library including buttons, drop-down menus, multiple-line text entry, radio buttons, scrollbars, etc. Oh, no!!! ++pac
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I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. 2012/3/13 Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com: It would be nice to have a widget library including buttons, drop-down menus, multiple-line text entry, radio buttons, scrollbars, etc. Oh, no!!! ++pac -- - Yaroslav
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On Tue Mar 13 07:31:46 EDT 2012, yari...@gmail.com wrote: I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. this project is too large for a summer. - erik
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On Tue Mar 13 09:01:07 EDT 2012, quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Tue Mar 13 07:31:46 EDT 2012, yari...@gmail.com wrote: I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. this project is too large for a summer. however, implementing tls1.2 is not. - erik
Re: [9fans] GSoC application ideas page
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com wrote: It would be nice to have a widget library including buttons, drop-down menus, multiple-line text entry, radio buttons, scrollbars, etc. Oh, no!!! ++pac Oddly enough, that idea does not come with the rider, And then force Peter to use the library exclusively. I somehow doubt that acme will suddenly turn into an MS Word-esque monstrosity simply because someone has created a successor to libpanel. John
Re: [9fans] GSoC application ideas page
Oddly enough, that idea does not come with the rider, And then force Peter to use the library exclusively. I somehow doubt that acme will suddenly turn into an MS Word-esque monstrosity simply because someone has created a successor to libpanel. libpanel could be classified as a hate crime against the eyes. - erik
Re: [9fans] GSoC application ideas page
I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. This has obvious utility, but I'm hesitant to add it without a mentor who can vouch for its suitability for a summer-sized student project, and who'd be willing to mentor a good proposal for it. To me, it seems larger than that, but I'd be happy to be wrong. Any takers? Anthony signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: [9fans] GSoC application ideas page
On Mar 13, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote: I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. This has obvious utility, but I'm hesitant to add it without a mentor who can vouch for its suitability for a summer-sized student project, and who'd be willing to mentor a good proposal for it. To me, it seems larger than that, but I'd be happy to be wrong. Any takers? Let's not take this one completely off the table yet. SSHv2 would be extremely useful in helping open up communication with external systems again. I use to find sshnet extremely viable in a mixed network where now I'm just using sshv2 to tunnel in overly complicated startup scripts. If someone is interested, with a predisposition towards security issues, including a track record of tackling such a task, I'd say we encourage it. Getting us one step closer to dealing with the default toolchain for many systems would help for any future projects. -jas
[9fans] GSoC application ideas page
Folks: As of Friday, the GSoC application is in, and as of today, Google's considering who gets the slots. As in years past, an important part of this consideration is the organizations ideas page. I've created one[0] on our wiki specifically for this year and pre-populated it with ones drawn from last year that seem still relevant or undone (to the best of my knowledge). I also made the rating system a bit more granular and took a stab at updating the difficulty. It would be good if folks could look this over and make any changes to ideas they know about. It would be even better if folks could add ideas (with suitable descriptions) to the list. My experience in listening in on rejection meetings is that among projects with otherwise sound applications, the ideas list is the strongest differentiator. Anthony [0] http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/gsoc-2012-ideas/index.html signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
