Re: [9fans] Nemo's Opus

[Winston Kodogo]

To add to the previous comments, I'm a huge fan of Nemo's “Introduction to
Operating Systems Abstractions”:

https://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.intro.pdf

It's just a brilliant guide to finding your way around the system, and
doing some programming in it, especially if you're not a kernel-head and
talk of "ring 0" makes your brain hurt.

Not that my being a huge fan of anything of anything is in general a
recommendation, but in this case I'm right.

On 10 September 2016 at 07:36, Sergey Zhilkin  wrote:

> 5 cents from me, as I'm fan of Nemo's writings (and code also) link to his
> papers https://lsub.org/who/nemo/papers.html
>
> 2016-09-09 18:54 GMT+03:00 Brantley Coile :
>
>> I’ve been reading Nemo’s “Notes on the Plan 9 3rd edition Kernel Source”
>> after a number of years. Three things struck me on this reading of what is
>> a great and much appreciated work. First, is what a good job Francisco did
>> with this work. Even though he never finished it, having been overtaking, I
>> think, by the 4th edition, it is a very good introduction to an operating
>> system suitable for instruction in a undergraduate or graduate class in
>> operating systems. I, fortunately, don’t have to teach, but if I did, I
>> would certainly use the work.
>>
>> Second, I’m struck by how much larger the system had grown by the time
>> Nemo wrote the commentary. I had the good fortune to read John Lion’s
>> commentary on Plan 9 during my brief tenure at Bell Labs in 1990. If I
>> remember right, the kernel I was using was bout 25,000 lines. The first
>> version I used outside the Labs was the 2nd edition it weighs in at a hefty
>> 39,000 lines. The current system I’m running, the 32 bit one, not the 64
>> bit one, is 140,000 lines. I’m not sure the size of the 3rd edition, but
>> the growth is interesting.
>>
>> The third thing that struct me is the changes in the Intel architecture
>> since the original PC based port. The first Plan 9 for PC ran on AT 386
>> machines in the 1990’s, if I remember right. Those were the days of ISA and
>> EISA and before PCI made it’s plug-and-play appearance on the scene. It
>> seems that while the PC stuff has kept up with most of the many changes in
>> the Intel hardware platform over the years, there is still some cruft from
>> the old days.
>>
>> All very interesting to think about. I highly recommend Nemo’s book.
>> Here’s a link to it.
>>
>> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.75.
>> 5409=rep1=pdf
>>
>>   Brantley Coile
>>   b...@coraid.com
>>   http://coraid.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> С наилучшими пожеланиями
> Жилкин Сергей
> With best regards
> Zhilkin Sergey
>

Re: [9fans] Nemo's Opus

[Sergey Zhilkin]

5 cents from me, as I'm fan of Nemo's writings (and code also) link to his
papers https://lsub.org/who/nemo/papers.html

2016-09-09 18:54 GMT+03:00 Brantley Coile :

> I’ve been reading Nemo’s “Notes on the Plan 9 3rd edition Kernel Source”
> after a number of years. Three things struck me on this reading of what is
> a great and much appreciated work. First, is what a good job Francisco did
> with this work. Even though he never finished it, having been overtaking, I
> think, by the 4th edition, it is a very good introduction to an operating
> system suitable for instruction in a undergraduate or graduate class in
> operating systems. I, fortunately, don’t have to teach, but if I did, I
> would certainly use the work.
>
> Second, I’m struck by how much larger the system had grown by the time
> Nemo wrote the commentary. I had the good fortune to read John Lion’s
> commentary on Plan 9 during my brief tenure at Bell Labs in 1990. If I
> remember right, the kernel I was using was bout 25,000 lines. The first
> version I used outside the Labs was the 2nd edition it weighs in at a hefty
> 39,000 lines. The current system I’m running, the 32 bit one, not the 64
> bit one, is 140,000 lines. I’m not sure the size of the 3rd edition, but
> the growth is interesting.
>
> The third thing that struct me is the changes in the Intel architecture
> since the original PC based port. The first Plan 9 for PC ran on AT 386
> machines in the 1990’s, if I remember right. Those were the days of ISA and
> EISA and before PCI made it’s plug-and-play appearance on the scene. It
> seems that while the PC stuff has kept up with most of the many changes in
> the Intel hardware platform over the years, there is still some cruft from
> the old days.
>
> All very interesting to think about. I highly recommend Nemo’s book.
> Here’s a link to it.
>
> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.
> 75.5409=rep1=pdf
>
>   Brantley Coile
>   b...@coraid.com
>   http://coraid.com
>
>
>


-- 
С наилучшими пожеланиями
Жилкин Сергей
With best regards
Zhilkin Sergey

[9fans] Nemo's Opus

[Brantley Coile]

I’ve been reading Nemo’s “Notes on the Plan 9 3rd edition Kernel Source” after 
a number of years. Three things struck me on this reading of what is a great 
and much appreciated work. First, is what a good job Francisco did with this 
work. Even though he never finished it, having been overtaking, I think, by the 
4th edition, it is a very good introduction to an operating system suitable for 
instruction in a undergraduate or graduate class in operating systems. I, 
fortunately, don’t have to teach, but if I did, I would certainly use the work.

Second, I’m struck by how much larger the system had grown by the time Nemo 
wrote the commentary. I had the good fortune to read John Lion’s commentary on 
Plan 9 during my brief tenure at Bell Labs in 1990. If I remember right, the 
kernel I was using was bout 25,000 lines. The first version I used outside the 
Labs was the 2nd edition it weighs in at a hefty 39,000 lines. The current 
system I’m running, the 32 bit one, not the 64 bit one, is 140,000 lines. I’m 
not sure the size of the 3rd edition, but the growth is interesting.

The third thing that struct me is the changes in the Intel architecture since 
the original PC based port. The first Plan 9 for PC ran on AT 386 machines in 
the 1990’s, if I remember right. Those were the days of ISA and EISA and before 
PCI made it’s plug-and-play appearance on the scene. It seems that while the PC 
stuff has kept up with most of the many changes in the Intel hardware platform 
over the years, there is still some cruft from the old days. 

All very interesting to think about. I highly recommend Nemo’s book. Here’s a 
link to it.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.75.5409=rep1=pdf

  Brantley Coile
  b...@coraid.com
  http://coraid.com