Re: [9fans] noweb and literal programming
I have used it also. Circa 10.5 years ago there was a race condition in the scripts that ran it with troff which I fixed and sent back in; I think they got into the dist. Literate programming is a lot of fun and works well if you have the mindset for it. Arnold In article dd6fe68a0904111628h20406a52xd702d276bf278...@mail.gmail.com, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: Noweb has a nice simple interface (if literate programming is what you want) and runs on Plan 9. It's somewhere: I'm sure if you dig around you can find it. Maybe it's in /n/sources/extra. I used it quite a bit with latex. I don't remember whether I ever used it with troff. Russ -- Aharon (Arnold) Robbins arnold AT skeeve DOT com P.O. Box 354Home Phone: +972 8 979-0381 Nof Ayalon Cell Phone: +972 50 729-7545 D.N. Shimshon 99785 ISRAEL
Re: [9fans] noweb and literal programming
I implemented a mkernel using noweb. In the end, I think it's harder to follow than placing the code and doc appart. Probably a religious issue. El 11/04/2009, a las 0:43, rudolf.syk...@gmail.com escribió: Hello, I've been thinking about 'well documented programs' and come across the 'noweb' program. Do you have any experience with literal programming and, particularly, noweb? (I noticed at least rsc seems to have played with it back in the year 2000. He programmed some scripts to use the system in Plan9...) Thanks Ruda [/mail/box/nemo/msgs/200904/37939]
Re: [9fans] noweb and literal programming
Just curious... what's the relation to Cweb and Ctangle (the ones Knuth uses)? From what I've heard of those (even from Knuth himself) is that they're too ugly to use very much, and fits well with Knuth's style, which is mostly the giant blob of code style. As far as I can tell, cweb (ctangle, cweave) is the original Knuth's web language adjusted for the C language (the very original was written to work with pascal). These 'ful-featured' webs didn't succeed, people found it somewhat complicated. In contrast, noweb tried to be simpler, with no tight connection to the language used (any language can be used) and no tight connection to the formatter. It has less features but this can be considered an advantage. Ruda
Re: [9fans] noweb and literal programming
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 04:53:44PM +0200, Rudolf Sykora wrote: In contrast, noweb tried to be simpler, with no tight connection to the language used (any language can be used) and no tight connection to the formatter. and no tight connection with any usage either. [Sorry, couldn't resist since CWEB is hard can be only sustained by people who don't use it.] Will be quiet now (since having work using CWEB). -- Thierry Laronde (Alceste) tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com http://www.kergis.com/ Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89 250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C
Re: [9fans] noweb and literal programming
On 4/10/09, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've been thinking about 'well documented programs' and come across the 'noweb' program. Do you have any experience with literal programming and, particularly, noweb? (I noticed at least rsc seems to have played with it back in the year 2000. He programmed some scripts to use the system in Plan9...) Thanks Ruda Over the years I have used CWEB, Spiderweb (pretty-print using your own rules), noweb, Funnelweb, and nuweb. Literate Programming suits the way I think when solving a problem. I tend to start programming a narrative, telling the story of the solution. These days I use mainly nuweb (small C program, very easy to customise to your own preferences) and html. LP is not for everyone. It is definitely not for someone used to work in a modern IDE. And it takes a bit of courage and conviction, if your working with other people. I use it mostly for smallish programs; one or two code files, 5000 lines of code. For example, scripted business logic for the integrtions I do at work. Larger stuff involving muliple modules usually involves more people, so the lowest common denominator wins. Nuweb should be easy to get running on Plan 9. Noweb is harder, since it depens on a lot of Unix scripts. Robby
Re: [9fans] noweb and literal programming
Noweb has a nice simple interface (if literate programming is what you want) and runs on Plan 9. It's somewhere: I'm sure if you dig around you can find it. Maybe it's in /n/sources/extra. I used it quite a bit with latex. I don't remember whether I ever used it with troff. Russ
[9fans] noweb and literal programming
Hello, I've been thinking about 'well documented programs' and come across the 'noweb' program. Do you have any experience with literal programming and, particularly, noweb? (I noticed at least rsc seems to have played with it back in the year 2000. He programmed some scripts to use the system in Plan9...) Thanks Ruda
Re: [9fans] noweb and literal programming
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've been thinking about 'well documented programs' and come across the 'noweb' program. Do you have any experience with literal programming and, particularly, noweb? (I noticed at least rsc seems to have played with it back in the year 2000. He programmed some scripts to use the system in Plan9...) Thanks Ruda Just curious... what's the relation to Cweb and Ctangle (the ones Knuth uses)? From what I've heard of those (even from Knuth himself) is that they're too ugly to use very much, and fits well with Knuth's style, which is mostly the giant blob of code style.
Re: [9fans] noweb and literal programming
I believe that Cweb/Ctangle were `engineering tradeoffs' -- i.e. concessions to the large number of people who didn't care about the theory or the practice of programming and just wanted to use TeX (mostly AMSTeX) on whatever new system their math/physics department happened to buy that year. On Apr 10, 2009, at 4:50 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote: On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I've been thinking about 'well documented programs' and come across the 'noweb' program. Do you have any experience with literal programming and, particularly, noweb? (I noticed at least rsc seems to have played with it back in the year 2000. He programmed some scripts to use the system in Plan9...) Thanks Ruda Just curious... what's the relation to Cweb and Ctangle (the ones Knuth uses)? From what I've heard of those (even from Knuth himself) is that they're too ugly to use very much, and fits well with Knuth's style, which is mostly the giant blob of code style.
