[abcusers] No more spam
I just got off the mail with Toby, and the lists behavior is now changed so that only subscribers can post to the list. That should get rid of funny Russian stuff + the 10 followups from list members. Now back to the music - where were we :-) -- love, peace & harmony Atte To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] No more spam
Atte writes: | I just got off the mail with Toby, and the lists behavior is now changed | so that only subscribers can post to the list. That should get rid of | funny Russian stuff + the 10 followups from list members. | | Now back to the music - where were we :-) First, one further suggestion: Is there a way to make it clear in the email headers what address the list sent a message to? In looking over the headers for Atte's message, I do see my own address, but only in the lines that appear to be generated by this machine's email software. This address could have been generated locally during the forwarding from one of my other addresses. The ongoing problem with "subscriber only" rules is that a lot of us have more than one email address. It's fairly common for people to do something like attempt to unsubscribe (or stop mail during a trip or vacation), and find that they can't because the list software insists that they aren't subscribed. Then it's "OK, what email address does this list have for me?" It's often exceedingly difficult to discover this critical piece of information. In my case, I've been on some lists for quite a few years, and the lists probably have one of my old addresses. The folks here at MIT are quite good at maintaining old addresses and forwarding the mail to wherever you like. This means that 20-year-old mit.edu addresses mostly still work. But, of course, it's usually difficult to send email from those addresses. And if you don't know which address is being used, you usually can't convince the sender to stop sending. They just treat you as a hoaxster trying to hijack someone's email. I've seen some email with a header like "X-Sent-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]", or some other nonstandard header line that mailers aren't likely to munge because they don't recognize it. This sort of thing is really useful when trying to straighten out email problems. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] No more spam
Another spam topic that might be of interest to many subscribers to abcusers: I'm on several music-related lists that are hosted at yahoo. All but one are there because yahoo "captured" earlier sites like egroups.com and semi-merged them into their own system. Not only is this a real mess, but now it seems that yahoo is selling their subscriber lists commercially. This is probably related to the story last month of yahoo suddenly rewriting their user database and opting everyone in to spam. The story now is that even if you use their web page to change your settings to "no spam", this apparently only applies to your yahoo email address. They are reportedly still selling their mailing-list addresses, with no way to opt out of this. As a result, a lot of lists are likely to try to move off yahoo in the near future. So, since abcusers is somewhat a central list for music of various sorts, it seems likely that people here might be able to help. Can we get a list of sites where music-related lists might be happier than at yahoo? Maybe Toby would like to host a few more of them. But there could be a lot, and it would probably be useful if we could get a list of possible list-hosting sites that won't treat the subscriber lists as commercial property. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] No more spam
On Sun, 19 May 2002, John Chambers wrote: > Atte writes: > | I just got off the mail with Toby, and the lists behavior is now changed > | so that only subscribers can post to the list. That should get rid of > | funny Russian stuff + the 10 followups from list members. > | > | Now back to the music - where were we :-) > > First, one further suggestion: Is there a way to make it clear in the > email headers what address the list sent a message to? In looking > over the headers for Atte's message, I do see my own address, but > only in the lines that appear to be generated by this machine's email > software. This address could have been generated locally during the > forwarding from one of my other addresses. I think you should get in contact with Toby for this. I abviously have no control what so ever over this, neither has anyone here. I just got so fed up with the spam that I acted, that's all. > The ongoing problem with "subscriber only" rules is that a lot of us > have more than one email address. It's fairly common for people to do > something like attempt to unsubscribe (or stop mail during a trip or > vacation), and find that they can't because the list software insists > that they aren't subscribed. Then it's "OK, what email address does > this list have for me?" It's often exceedingly difficult to discover > this critical piece of information. I see your concern, but seems to work for almost all the list I'm in. In fact this list is the only one I can think of that allows (allowed) non-subscribers to post. -- love, peace & harmony Atte To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] No more spam
> "John" == John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: John> Can we get a list of sites where music-related lists might be happier John> than at yahoo? I have a mailman mailing list server running on my home computer that's been working well for the lists of several organizations I belong to. It would be the wrong place for high-volume, mega-subscriber lists, but if you don't mind it being down for a few hours once in a while, and don't a have more than a couple of hundred subscribers, it's a good system. -- Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (801) 365-6574 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 (If I haven't invited you to my party on June 2, I'm sure it's an oversight.) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] No more spam
> "John" == John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: John> Can we get a list of sites where music-related lists might be happier John> than at yahoo? And I should also mention that we can have as many mailing lists as we want at the Sourceforge site, as long as they're vaguely related to a sourceforge project. -- Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (801) 365-6574 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 (If I haven't invited you to my party on June 2, I'm sure it's an oversight.) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Annotations
On Wed, 15 May 2002 09:22:18 +0200 (CEST), Guido Gonzato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] >to my knowledge, jaabc2ps is the only application that handles _^<> in text >annotations correctly. It would be very nice if those routines were >incorporated in other ABC programs (Jean-François, qu'en penses-tu? :-) Hello Guido, I don't really feel the "_^<>" in guitar chords. For me, it's already not easy to put all the P:, Q:, w:, slurs, n-plets, decorations,.. at the right place above or below a single staff, and then, the idea to put some more information at the right or at the left side of what? the lonely note itself? some note in a chord? tied to any previous decoration?, all of that gives me a headhake. Anyway, the basic question is not yet answered: which font and size should be used? So, well, as soon as abcm2ps may handle voice changes inside a line and different lengths, slurs and decorations in grace notes, I'll search carefully a magic algorithm for all these strange music indications don't overlap... -- Ken ar c'hentañ | ** Breizh ha Linux atav! ** | http://moinejf.free.fr/ Pépé Jef| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Transpose and GUI development
On Tue, 14 May 2002 22:01:08 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ulf) wrote: >> Did you tried 'runabc' by Seymour Shlien, which is also pure Tcl/Tk? [snip] >Yes. That program is probably good for anyone who needs exactly that. [snip] >After having given the whole thing a second thought I have come to the >conclusion that there is no general need for my mini-GUI and there is no >reason why I should bother other people with it. [snip] Hello Ulf, I think we misunderstood. I was just pointing you to a tool an another guy wrote. I did not say some one is better than the other one. I was just thinking it could be nice to merge both ideas for people to get a simpler and/or better GUI. Please, don't stop programming, we all need fresh meat ;) Best regards. -- Ken ar c'hentañ | ** Breizh ha Linux atav! ** | http://moinejf.free.fr/ Pépé Jef| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] No more spam
On 19 May 2002, Laura Conrad wrote: > And I should also mention that we can have as many mailing lists as we > want at the Sourceforge site, as long as they're vaguely related to a > sourceforge project. Then I think we should go for that. Those lists are working pretty fine... -- love, peace & harmony Atte To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Percussion notation...
Hi folks, Is there some abc software for percussion notation? Kind regards, Luis Pablo Gasparotto To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
