Re: [abcusers] Tuplets
On Sat 28 Oct 2000 at 11:16AM +0200, Christophe Declercq wrote: > > I have seen triplets written with slurs but also without and sometimes with > something, as you said, like: > _3_ > | | > > over the notes If the notes that make up the tuple are not beamed together, you need some way of telling where the tuple starts and where it ends. This is what the above notation is for. If the notes are beamed together, then all you really need is the number. It would probably be fairly easy to give abc2ps an option which selects the above notation for all tuples. James Allwright To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Tuplets
Wendy Galovich writes: >However in thumbing through O'Neill's, I see triplets that are >comparable to CB cuts - three notes of the same pitch. As an example, >(AAA turns up twice in the A part of Pigeon on the Gate. That sequence >wouldn't make any sense with a slur mark. > Both Christophe DeClerque and Frank Nordberg point out that one might well want to phrase a triplet (3a(bc), which is a pretty convincing argument for not automatically adding slur marks. Christophe added some ascii art: >I have seen triplets written with slurs but also without and sometimes with >something, as you said, like: > _3_ > | | > >over the notes Aha! I see now. I'm used to uilleann piping conventions, where half the time triplets have one or more staccatto notes (they're called "tight triplets"), but they are always written with the little slur mark. I'd always assumed the slur was a visual aid---to make sure one recognized the change of timing--which had nothing to do with phrasing. (Presumably one could add another slur mark over that for the phrasing.) But now I understand why the one notation book I have inveighs so strongly against using the slur marks for triplets: "Borrowed metric groupings: When a note-group from a foreign meter is superimposed over an established meter, that note-grooup is referred to as a borrowed grouping. Numbers and brackets are used when notating borrowed groupings; a curved or "crescent" should never be used in place of a straight bracket. Triplets are an example of a compound meter being superimposed over a simple time." >From Music Notation, by Mark McGrain, Berklee college of Music, 1986, p. 91. (The injunction against the usual slur marks doesn't seem to be universally accepted, but I gather it's more than just the author's personal prejudice.) I'd be satisfied if (3abc would (perhaps optionally) put that little bracket and 3 over the note---and leave ((3abc) and (3a(bc) to be slurred as written. Cheers, John Walsh To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Tuplets
> De : John Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > A : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Objet : [abcusers] Tuplets > Date : samedi 28 octobre 2000 02:18 > > A triplet in abc2mtex is written (3abc; in abc2ps, it's > ((3abc)---the slur has to be put in explicitly. (Technically, I don't > think it's a slur--it's just a grouping symbol to catch the eye, and it's > often denoted with an angular slur, instead of the usual curvy one. > > Question: do people ever write triplets without that slur mark? I have seen triplets written with slurs but also without and sometimes with something, as you said, like: _3_ | | over the notes As a fiddler, I would prefer to keep the syntax as it is in abc2ps, because grouping symbols catch the eye, as you said, but they catch my right arm (the bowing one) too. For example, bowings like [K:D][M:4/4][L:1/8] (3ab(c|d) are not unfrequent in Irish music. [...] Regards Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Tuplets
Wendy Galovich wrote: ... > > I often use abc2mtex, and have to > >re-edit tunes each time I want to print them out in abc2ps. It would be > >handy if ((3abc) and (3abc were considered to be equivalent. > > But you'd lose the option of notating triplets without them. Right. Even more important, you loose the opportunity to include slurs within a tuplet. Things like: (3G(dB) (3A(dB) (3G(dB) (3F(dB)| is very common in many music styles. Frank Nordberg To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Tuplets
At 05:18 PM 10/27/2000 -0700, you wrote: > A triplet in abc2mtex is written (3abc; in abc2ps, it's >((3abc)---the slur has to be put in explicitly. (Technically, I don't >think it's a slur--it's just a grouping symbol to catch the eye, and it's >often denoted with an angular slur, instead of the usual curvy one. > > Question: do people ever write triplets without that slur mark? >(Silly question--we're talking about music, so of course, *someone's* >bound to do it.) But is it common? I do. It's not at all uncommon in Cape Breton music to single- bow triplets, especially when they turn up as pick-up notes in clogs. So I transcribe them the way I play them. I will point out here that I'm referring to triplets where the three notes have *different* pitches, because that type of triplet isn't the same thing as a cut (2 16th notes and one 1/8 note of the same pitch). However in thumbing through O'Neill's, I see triplets that are comparable to CB cuts - three notes of the same pitch. As an example, (AAA turns up twice in the A part of Pigeon on the Gate. That sequence wouldn't make any sense with a slur mark. I often use abc2mtex, and have to >re-edit tunes each time I want to print them out in abc2ps. It would be >handy if ((3abc) and (3abc were considered to be equivalent. But you'd lose the option of notating triplets without them. > In fact, both notations have a practical drawback: they unbalance >the parentheses. The compromise notation (3abc) would have the advantage >of balancing the parentheses, allowing one to use the brace-matching >present on lots of text editors to check for runaway slurs. (I seem to >remember starting some slurs that ended ten tunes later...:-) They do sort of jump off the page at you when you print, don't they? :-) Wendy To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Tuplets
A triplet in abc2mtex is written (3abc; in abc2ps, it's ((3abc)---the slur has to be put in explicitly. (Technically, I don't think it's a slur--it's just a grouping symbol to catch the eye, and it's often denoted with an angular slur, instead of the usual curvy one. Question: do people ever write triplets without that slur mark? (Silly question--we're talking about music, so of course, *someone's* bound to do it.) But is it common? I often use abc2mtex, and have to re-edit tunes each time I want to print them out in abc2ps. It would be handy if ((3abc) and (3abc were considered to be equivalent. In fact, both notations have a practical drawback: they unbalance the parentheses. The compromise notation (3abc) would have the advantage of balancing the parentheses, allowing one to use the brace-matching present on lots of text editors to check for runaway slurs. (I seem to remember starting some slurs that ended ten tunes later...:-) Cheers, John Walsh To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
