Re: [abcusers] mensurstriche
On 1 Aug 2003, Laura Conrad wrote: I haven't read the new standard about multiple staves, but does it allow specification of bar's *between* the staves but *not* on them? This is something a lot of people (not me) like for early music that was originally published as unbarred parts. It's usually easier for modern players to sightread from a score which has the indication of where the barlines might be, but doesn't need to screw up representation of the note lengths. That is, a note length that straddles a bar can still be represented as one note, and not two tied notes. We have invisible barline [|] and we can specify draw barlines between staves. This will of course screw up representation of the note lengths unless there is rule saying draw two notes tied over an invisible barline as one note. What other mechanism could there be to tell the program where to draw the barlines between staves? Anders Wiren [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097fax: (801) 365-6574 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] mensurstriche
I haven't read the new standard about multiple staves, but does it allow specification of bar's *between* the staves but *not* on them? This is something a lot of people (not me) like for early music that was originally published as unbarred parts. It's usually easier for modern players to sightread from a score which has the indication of where the barlines might be, but doesn't need to screw up representation of the note lengths. That is, a note length that straddles a bar can still be represented as one note, and not two tied notes. We have invisible barline [|] and we can specify draw barlines between staves. This will of course screw up representation of the note lengths unless there is rule saying draw two notes tied over an invisible barline as one note. You don't need a general rule to do this if you use a construct I suggested a while back - I called it an absorptive tie. The idea would be that it's notated much like a tie but has the effect of adding length to the previous note rather than being drawn as an explicit tie. The original point of it was for placing multiple chords on one long note, as needed in some of Atte's jazz ballads. I suggested simply doubling the - sign to represent it; so A--A/ would print the same as A3/. For the barline case you might use A-- | A/ and you would then be free to write an explicit cross-bar tie somewhere else in the same score if you wanted (which a rule-based approach would forbid). What other mechanism could there be to tell the program where to draw the barlines between staves? Tell the program where to start drawing barlines and how much time there is in a bar. This would also have the great advantage, for a pure staff notation generator like abcm2ps, of giving the writer some feedback about where they'd made a mistake - transcribing barlineless music is not easy and it helps if a nonsensical score can be made to *look* nonsensical. It could also be done by having a separate part containing nothing but invisible rests and between-stave barlines but that would make for ugly, bloated source. BTW, how well do existing ABC applications handle pieces where the voices are not all barred the same? - Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack * food intolerance data recipes, Mac logic fonts, Scots traditional music files, and my CD-ROM Embro, Embro. -- off-list mail to j-c rather than abc at this site, please -- To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] mensurstriche
Jack == Jack Campin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jack BTW, how well do existing ABC applications handle pieces Jack where the voices are not all barred the same? For single-voice music, most of them used to be pretty good. For multi-voice music, it varies -- abcm2ps used to be the worst of the abc2ps clones. I've gotten out of the habit of using abc typesetting except for abc2ly -- lilypond just looks so much better and gives me so many options once I have it, that I only use abc for typesetting when I have a lute tab, and then I wish I'd gotten around to fixing abc2ly so that it takes abctab2ps input. -- Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (801) 365-6574 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] mensurstriche
Anders == Anders Wiren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anders We have invisible barline [|] and we can specify draw Anders barlines between staves. So if we can do both of these at once, with the barline on the staff invisible, and the one between it visible, we have what I'm talking about. Anders This will of course screw up representation of the note Anders lengths unless there is rule saying draw two notes tied Anders over an invisible barline as one note. I don't see why it should screw up the representation, unless the new standard is requiring that an ABC parser look at the note lengths and the bar lines and insist that they be compatible. Which I hadn't noticed, and it would be a bad mistake. That is, the following ABC should be perfectly legal. X:1 T: notes cross barlines without ties M:C L:1/4 K:C G6 | A2 | B4 If we were using mensurstriche, the first barline should be under the dotted whole note, instead of between it and the half note. I haven't ever done ABC like this, because as I said in my first post, I don't like mensurstriche, but abc2ly, abc2ps, and abc2midi all do exactly what you would expect with it. -- Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (801) 365-6574 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] mensurstriche
I haven't read the new standard about multiple staves, but does it allow specification of bar's *between* the staves but *not* on them? This is something a lot of people (not me) like for early music that was originally published as unbarred parts. It's usually easier for modern players to sightread from a score which has the indication of where the barlines might be, but doesn't need to screw up representation of the note lengths. That is, a note length that straddles a bar can still be represented as one note, and not two tied notes. -- Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (801) 365-6574 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
