Re: [orca] Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] menu navigation issue
Hi, On 2024-06-17 16:40, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:> I'm not sure what the correct component is to report this issue, but it doesn't seem to be an Orca bug (right?) No, it's not an Orca bug, and not a LibreOffice bug either, as it's also reproducible with gtk3-demo. I've just created an issue report for GTK: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/6790 (Should that actually be bugs in Wayland compositors or elsewhere, it can still be forwarded there with more insights from the GTK side.) Regards, Michael -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [orca] Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] menu navigation issue
Hi Peter, all. I'm not sure what the correct component is to report this issue, but it doesn't seem to be an Orca bug (right?) --joanie On Mon, 2024-06-17 at 16:08 +0200, Peter Vágner wrote: > Hello, > > > Dňa 11. 6. 2024 o 15:52 Michael Weghorn napísal(a): > > On 2024-06-11 14:29, Jason J.G. White wrote: > > > > > > On 11/6/24 07:38, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > > > > BTW, are you using Wayland and gnome-shell? If so, it sounds like > > > > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/3267. Although that was > > > > fixed four months ago. > > > > > > Yes, it's GNOME-Shell under Wayland. > > > > > > I just tried it again under a GNOME-Shell X11 session, and I am > > > unable to reproduce the bug there. > > > > > > The version of Mutter is 46.2. > > > > I'm using KDE Plasma Wayland (plasma-workspace-wayland 4:5.27.11.1-1), > > can confirm that there the problem also isn't reproducible any more > > when running on X11/XWayland by setting environment variable > > `GDK_BACKEND=x11`. > > I have just updated to libreoffice 24.8 beta 1 and I can reproduce this > on wayland too. > > Greetings > > Peter > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [orca] Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] menu navigation issue
Hello, Dňa 11. 6. 2024 o 15:52 Michael Weghorn napísal(a): On 2024-06-11 14:29, Jason J.G. White wrote: On 11/6/24 07:38, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: BTW, are you using Wayland and gnome-shell? If so, it sounds like https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/3267. Although that was fixed four months ago. Yes, it's GNOME-Shell under Wayland. I just tried it again under a GNOME-Shell X11 session, and I am unable to reproduce the bug there. The version of Mutter is 46.2. I'm using KDE Plasma Wayland (plasma-workspace-wayland 4:5.27.11.1-1), can confirm that there the problem also isn't reproducible any more when running on X11/XWayland by setting environment variable `GDK_BACKEND=x11`. I have just updated to libreoffice 24.8 beta 1 and I can reproduce this on wayland too. Greetings Peter -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [orca] Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] menu navigation issue
On 2024-06-11 14:29, Jason J.G. White wrote: On 11/6/24 07:38, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: BTW, are you using Wayland and gnome-shell? If so, it sounds like https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/3267. Although that was fixed four months ago. Yes, it's GNOME-Shell under Wayland. I just tried it again under a GNOME-Shell X11 session, and I am unable to reproduce the bug there. The version of Mutter is 46.2. I'm using KDE Plasma Wayland (plasma-workspace-wayland 4:5.27.11.1-1), can confirm that there the problem also isn't reproducible any more when running on X11/XWayland by setting environment variable `GDK_BACKEND=x11`. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [orca] Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] menu navigation issue
On 11/6/24 07:38, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: BTW, are you using Wayland and gnome-shell? If so, it sounds like https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/3267. Although that was fixed four months ago. Yes, it's GNOME-Shell under Wayland. I just tried it again under a GNOME-Shell X11 session, and I am unable to reproduce the bug there. The version of Mutter is 46.2. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [orca] Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] menu navigation issue
Hey Jason. I'm not able to reproduce this. That said, when you're interacting with an apps UI (e.g. navigating in menus), Orca is simply presenting the new location based on the events it receives. So I don't think it's an Orca issue. BTW, are you using Wayland and gnome-shell? If so, it sounds like https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/3267. Although that was fixed four months ago. --joanie On Tue, 2024-06-11 at 06:24 -0400, Jason J.G. White wrote: > Adding the Orca list to this discussion, as the bug may be a GTK or Orca > issue, as Michael helpfully details below. > > On 11/6/24 00:39, Michael Weghorn wrote: > > On 2024-06-10 14:14, Jason J.G. White wrote: > > > I noted the following on the Orca mailing list recently, but others > > > were unable to reproduce it. > > > > > > The issue below is not a priority for me at the moment, but I'm > > > reporting it here in case it can be resolved to prevent others from > > > encountering it. > > > > > > Environment: LibreOffice 24.2.4, GNOME 46.2, recent Orca version from > > > the main Git branch, Arch Linux distribution. I also tried the > > > version of LibreOffice available as a flatpak, with the same results. > > > > > > Steps to Reproduce > > > > > > 1. From LibreOffice Calc or LibreOffice Writer (both tested), F10 to > > > move focus to the menus. The File menu item is in focus, and Orca > > > presents it. > > > > > > 2. Right-Arrow. > > > > > > Expected Result: focus should move to the Edit menu, and subsequent > > > left/right-arrow navigation should move among the top-level menu items. > > > > > > Actual result: focus seems to move back into the document. I am > > > unable to navigate the menus reliably. Using the Alt key with various > > > letters does bring focus to the respective top-level menu items. > > > > > > > I can reproduce something similar with gtk3-demo and Orca git main, so > > it looks like an issue in either GTK or Orca to me, not in LibreOffice: > > > > 1) start gtk3-demo > > 2) start the "Menus" sample app > > 3) press F10 to put focus on the menu (the first item: "test line") > > 4) press right arrow > > > > Actual result: > > > > Keyboard focus visually moves to the next menu item "foo" as expected > > (visually), but Orca announces "Flip, push button" (which is the > > button in the sample program that has focus once the menu gets > > collapsed again) > > > > Expected result: The newly focused menu item should get announced: > > "foo, menu" > > > > This isn't 100% reproducible: When further moving back and forth > > between the menu items using the arrow keys, announcement is usually OK. > > > > Versions used, on Debian testing: > > > > libgtk-3-0:amd64 3.24.41-1 > > Orca git main as of commit 9b8d9ffd8793bf3a1176fed77b4ce283a43cefe8 > > > ___ > Orca mailing list > o...@freelists.org > https://www.freelists.org/list/orca > General information: https://orca.gnome.org > Orca documentation (English): https://gnome.pages.gitlab.gnome.org/orca/help/ > Orca documentation (translations): https://gnome.pages.gitlab.gnome.org/orca/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] menu navigation issue
Adding the Orca list to this discussion, as the bug may be a GTK or Orca issue, as Michael helpfully details below. On 11/6/24 00:39, Michael Weghorn wrote: On 2024-06-10 14:14, Jason J.G. White wrote: I noted the following on the Orca mailing list recently, but others were unable to reproduce it. The issue below is not a priority for me at the moment, but I'm reporting it here in case it can be resolved to prevent others from encountering it. Environment: LibreOffice 24.2.4, GNOME 46.2, recent Orca version from the main Git branch, Arch Linux distribution. I also tried the version of LibreOffice available as a flatpak, with the same results. Steps to Reproduce 1. From LibreOffice Calc or LibreOffice Writer (both tested), F10 to move focus to the menus. The File menu item is in focus, and Orca presents it. 2. Right-Arrow. Expected Result: focus should move to the Edit menu, and subsequent left/right-arrow navigation should move among the top-level menu items. Actual result: focus seems to move back into the document. I am unable to navigate the menus reliably. Using the Alt key with various letters does bring focus to the respective top-level menu items. I can reproduce something similar with gtk3-demo and Orca git main, so it looks like an issue in either GTK or Orca to me, not in LibreOffice: 1) start gtk3-demo 2) start the "Menus" sample app 3) press F10 to put focus on the menu (the first item: "test line") 4) press right arrow Actual result: Keyboard focus visually moves to the next menu item "foo" as expected (visually), but Orca announces "Flip, push button" (which is the button in the sample program that has focus once the menu gets collapsed again) Expected result: The newly focused menu item should get announced: "foo, menu" This isn't 100% reproducible: When further moving back and forth between the menu items using the arrow keys, announcement is usually OK. Versions used, on Debian testing: libgtk-3-0:amd64 3.24.41-1 Orca git main as of commit 9b8d9ffd8793bf3a1176fed77b4ce283a43cefe8 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] menu navigation issue
On 2024-06-10 14:14, Jason J.G. White wrote: I noted the following on the Orca mailing list recently, but others were unable to reproduce it. The issue below is not a priority for me at the moment, but I'm reporting it here in case it can be resolved to prevent others from encountering it. Environment: LibreOffice 24.2.4, GNOME 46.2, recent Orca version from the main Git branch, Arch Linux distribution. I also tried the version of LibreOffice available as a flatpak, with the same results. Steps to Reproduce 1. From LibreOffice Calc or LibreOffice Writer (both tested), F10 to move focus to the menus. The File menu item is in focus, and Orca presents it. 2. Right-Arrow. Expected Result: focus should move to the Edit menu, and subsequent left/right-arrow navigation should move among the top-level menu items. Actual result: focus seems to move back into the document. I am unable to navigate the menus reliably. Using the Alt key with various letters does bring focus to the respective top-level menu items. I can reproduce something similar with gtk3-demo and Orca git main, so it looks like an issue in either GTK or Orca to me, not in LibreOffice: 1) start gtk3-demo 2) start the "Menus" sample app 3) press F10 to put focus on the menu (the first item: "test line") 4) press right arrow Actual result: Keyboard focus visually moves to the next menu item "foo" as expected (visually), but Orca announces "Flip, push button" (which is the button in the sample program that has focus once the menu gets collapsed again) Expected result: The newly focused menu item should get announced: "foo, menu" This isn't 100% reproducible: When further moving back and forth between the menu items using the arrow keys, announcement is usually OK. Versions used, on Debian testing: libgtk-3-0:amd64 3.24.41-1 Orca git main as of commit 9b8d9ffd8793bf3a1176fed77b4ce283a43cefe8 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] menu navigation issue
On 10/6/24 22:14, Jason J.G. White wrote: I noted the following on the Orca mailing list recently, but others were unable to reproduce it. The issue below is not a priority for me at the moment, but I'm reporting it here in case it can be resolved to prevent others from encountering it. Environment: LibreOffice 24.2.4, GNOME 46.2, recent Orca version from the main Git branch, Arch Linux distribution. I also tried the version of LibreOffice available as a flatpak, with the same results. Steps to Reproduce 1. From LibreOffice Calc or LibreOffice Writer (both tested), F10 to move focus to the menus. The File menu item is in focus, and Orca presents it. 2. Right-Arrow. Expected Result: focus should move to the Edit menu, and subsequent left/right-arrow navigation should move among the top-level menu items. Actual result: focus seems to move back into the document. I am unable to navigate the menus reliably. Using the Alt key with various letters does bring focus to the respective top-level menu items. I also tried obliterating my LibreOffice configuration under ~/.config/libreoffice, but with the same outcome. I can perform further testing, if desired. Hi Jason! Bug 160462 might be relevant, I've mentioned your results there: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160462 Cheers -- Stéphane Guillou Quality Assurance Analyst | The Document Foundation Email: stephane.guil...@libreoffice.org Matrix: @stragu:matrix.org Fediverse: @str...@mastodon.indie.host Web: https://stragu.gitlab.io/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-accessibility] menu navigation issue
I noted the following on the Orca mailing list recently, but others were unable to reproduce it. The issue below is not a priority for me at the moment, but I'm reporting it here in case it can be resolved to prevent others from encountering it. Environment: LibreOffice 24.2.4, GNOME 46.2, recent Orca version from the main Git branch, Arch Linux distribution. I also tried the version of LibreOffice available as a flatpak, with the same results. Steps to Reproduce 1. From LibreOffice Calc or LibreOffice Writer (both tested), F10 to move focus to the menus. The File menu item is in focus, and Orca presents it. 2. Right-Arrow. Expected Result: focus should move to the Edit menu, and subsequent left/right-arrow navigation should move among the top-level menu items. Actual result: focus seems to move back into the document. I am unable to navigate the menus reliably. Using the Alt key with various letters does bring focus to the respective top-level menu items. I also tried obliterating my LibreOffice configuration under ~/.config/libreoffice, but with the same outcome. I can perform further testing, if desired. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
