Re: [AI] Self Introduction
Hay Kameshwari! Welcome to Access India. So we have yet an other IBMer hear. I am sure you'll enjoy the great company and benifit a lot from the knowledge of the wonderful professionals out hear. Thanks and regards Parimala kameshwari rao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi friends, I have recently joined the Access India family hence I wish to give a brief introduction of myself. I'am congenitally blind. I was initially educated at Little Flower Conment, Chennai and Nab Delhi. I continued my education at Nagpur. I'am a graduate of commerce from Nagpur university. I later on pursued a diploma course in Advansed Computer Programming from NAB Bangalore. Presently I'am working with IBM Bangalore as a service coordinator. My interests include reading magazines, mystry and adventurous novels, developing a healthy friends circle, music etc. I hope the Access India family will help in enriching my knowledge as well as develop new and a healthy friend circle. thanks. Kameshwari Rao. To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Broadband.
What you are talking is very much different Sudhir. Please understand some basic concepts before you start calculating your internet speed. 1. When we measure our internet speed in KbPS, it means kilo bits per second, whereas, when you download or upload something, your browser shows you the speed again in KBPS which would means Kilo Bytes per second. Now since one byte is =to 8 bits, your download speed would always be 8 times less than your actual internet speed. So for example, if your internet speed is 256 KbPS, your download speed would be at least 32 KBPS. and if for example your internet speed is 2 MbPS, your download speed should be at least 250 KBPS. You might have certainly noticed, that when KBPS is written in terms of internet speed, then the letter B is written in small while all other letters are written in capital letters, while when your browser shows your the download or upload speed all letters are written in capital letters including the letter B. so small b refers to bits while capital B would refer to Byte. 2. Now what I meant in my previous mail does not relate to any of the concepts discussed above. A connecting speed is generally refers to the speed, which your device can have at the maximum rate. That is why when you connect your net through some LAN card, you would often hear jaws announcing speed: 100MbPS, because your LAN can support maximum up to hundred MbPS, but your actual speed is not hundred MbPS. So in order to calculate the actual internet speed, just start downloading something and whatever speed it shows, just multiply with 8. Or, just go to any internet calculating speed sites and there in you can measure your actual internet speed, but again that would largely depend upon the distance of your measuring server. remember, the closer the server, the better and more accurate results would be. Regards, Vikas Kapoor, MSN+Yahoo+Skype ID: dl_vikas, Mobile: (+91) 9891098137. - Original Message - From: Sudhir R (NeSTIT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. Hi Vikas ! This is a point I needed clarification on. ISPs often talk about speeds of 256 kbps, 1 Mbps etc. Often when we are surfing the web, we encounter much slower speeds, even 10% of the claimed speeds. Is it another case of the consumer being taken for a ride or there are technically different speeds like the connecting speed, the downloading speed or the browser speed ? Would appreciate some clarifications in this regard . Thanks in advance... Rgds RS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vikas Kapoor Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:18 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. That is your connecting speed not the download or browser speed. Vikas Kapoor, MSN+Yahoo+Skype ID: dl_vikas, Mobile: (+91) 9891098137. - Original Message - From: Atul R Sahay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. As I mentioned in an earlier mail, it's 460.8 kbps. - Original Message - From: Syed Imran [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. What is the speed at which you are able to surf - Original Message - From: Atul R Sahay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. I have been using Airtel's internet connection through my GPRS enabled handset. It costs just Rs. 249 per month and gives unlimited access. Further it keeps me connected wherever I am. Some of you may like to try this option. Earlier this service was available for Rs. 99 per month but then it used to be very slow. Today it works just fine. Regards. - Original Message - From: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. One solution is to opt for an unlimited connection. This way, your broadband charges will remain fixed, regardless of usage. Geetha - Original Message - From: Shadab Husain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. Hi! I too am in the same boat. These data one people charge a lot. Last time my bill was in thousands. I think that there is something fishy in their business. Friends, please tell what to do! Regds On 6/25/07, Pranav Lal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What do you mean by a data1 account? Do you have wireless access to that Internet connection? Also, is your computer free from malware? Pranav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. Subramani Sent: Saturday,
Re: [AI] Broadband.
Dear Vikas, Your reply has cleared a doubt that has been bugging me for a long time, boss. I am aware of the difference between the small b and the big b (not good, ol' Amitabh, of course), but, since my screen reader does not distinguish between the two unless I navigate letter by letter, I was not aware of the fact that the download speed carries the big b. Naturally, there would be a factor of 8 between the rated speed and the download speed. As for the second part of your answer, yes, I am aware that the connection speed can be misleading as it refers to the max speed of the Lan card or other interfacing device. Thanks for pointing out the small, but significant case confusion that has been stumping me ever since I started surfing the Net. (smile) Rgds RS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vikas Kapoor Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:27 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. What you are talking is very much different Sudhir. Please understand some basic concepts before you start calculating your internet speed. 1. When we measure our internet speed in KbPS, it means kilo bits per second, whereas, when you download or upload something, your browser shows you the speed again in KBPS which would means Kilo Bytes per second. Now since one byte is =to 8 bits, your download speed would always be 8 times less than your actual internet speed. So for example, if your internet speed is 256 KbPS, your download speed would be at least 32 KBPS. and if for example your internet speed is 2 MbPS, your download speed should be at least 250 KBPS. You might have certainly noticed, that when KBPS is written in terms of internet speed, then the letter B is written in small while all other letters are written in capital letters, while when your browser shows your the download or upload speed all letters are written in capital letters including the letter B. so small b refers to bits while capital B would refer to Byte. 2. Now what I meant in my previous mail does not relate to any of the concepts discussed above. A connecting speed is generally refers to the speed, which your device can have at the maximum rate. That is why when you connect your net through some LAN card, you would often hear jaws announcing speed: 100MbPS, because your LAN can support maximum up to hundred MbPS, but your actual speed is not hundred MbPS. So in order to calculate the actual internet speed, just start downloading something and whatever speed it shows, just multiply with 8. Or, just go to any internet calculating speed sites and there in you can measure your actual internet speed, but again that would largely depend upon the distance of your measuring server. remember, the closer the server, the better and more accurate results would be. Regards, Vikas Kapoor, MSN+Yahoo+Skype ID: dl_vikas, Mobile: (+91) 9891098137. - Original Message - From: Sudhir R (NeSTIT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. Hi Vikas ! This is a point I needed clarification on. ISPs often talk about speeds of 256 kbps, 1 Mbps etc. Often when we are surfing the web, we encounter much slower speeds, even 10% of the claimed speeds. Is it another case of the consumer being taken for a ride or there are technically different speeds like the connecting speed, the downloading speed or the browser speed ? Would appreciate some clarifications in this regard . Thanks in advance... Rgds RS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vikas Kapoor Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:18 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. That is your connecting speed not the download or browser speed. Vikas Kapoor, MSN+Yahoo+Skype ID: dl_vikas, Mobile: (+91) 9891098137. - Original Message - From: Atul R Sahay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. As I mentioned in an earlier mail, it's 460.8 kbps. - Original Message - From: Syed Imran [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. What is the speed at which you are able to surf - Original Message - From: Atul R Sahay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. I have been using Airtel's internet connection through my GPRS enabled handset. It costs just Rs. 249 per month and gives unlimited access. Further it keeps me connected wherever I am. Some of you may like to try this option. Earlier this service was available for Rs. 99 per month but then it used to be very slow. Today it works just fine. Regards. - Original Message -
Re: [AI] Broadband.
when internet service providers clame 1 mbps that means 1mega bit per secon but downloading displays 1 mega bite per second that why u obtain 1/8 of clame speed - Original Message - From: Sudhir R (NeSTIT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. Hi Vikas ! This is a point I needed clarification on. ISPs often talk about speeds of 256 kbps, 1 Mbps etc. Often when we are surfing the web, we encounter much slower speeds, even 10% of the claimed speeds. Is it another case of the consumer being taken for a ride or there are technically different speeds like the connecting speed, the downloading speed or the browser speed ? Would appreciate some clarifications in this regard . Thanks in advance... Rgds RS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vikas Kapoor Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:18 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. That is your connecting speed not the download or browser speed. Vikas Kapoor, MSN+Yahoo+Skype ID: dl_vikas, Mobile: (+91) 9891098137. - Original Message - From: Atul R Sahay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. As I mentioned in an earlier mail, it's 460.8 kbps. - Original Message - From: Syed Imran [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. What is the speed at which you are able to surf - Original Message - From: Atul R Sahay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. I have been using Airtel's internet connection through my GPRS enabled handset. It costs just Rs. 249 per month and gives unlimited access. Further it keeps me connected wherever I am. Some of you may like to try this option. Earlier this service was available for Rs. 99 per month but then it used to be very slow. Today it works just fine. Regards. - Original Message - From: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. One solution is to opt for an unlimited connection. This way, your broadband charges will remain fixed, regardless of usage. Geetha - Original Message - From: Shadab Husain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Broadband. Hi! I too am in the same boat. These data one people charge a lot. Last time my bill was in thousands. I think that there is something fishy in their business. Friends, please tell what to do! Regds On 6/25/07, Pranav Lal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What do you mean by a data1 account? Do you have wireless access to that Internet connection? Also, is your computer free from malware? Pranav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. Subramani Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 7:03 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Broadband. I have data one account. Is it possible for someone else to use my account provided they get access to my account's user name and password. I need this info because I am billed for much more than what I really use. To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your
Re: [AI] hdfc ATM card
Dear members Hi Finally I got ATM card. Email id given by harish and kanchan has worked. But the bad site of this is they still didn't have change there rules, which means if another visually challenged person wants ATM card in HDFC bank. Then he will have to go again same procedure again. They have given me ATM card considering me as exception, and I have to go to there branch to collect my card and pin number. Usually for others it comes by corier. And don't worry pranav, according to then they have issue ATM card to you, when this rule was not there, so they cannot do anything. So what do you think member's what should we do in order to realize them that I am not the alone, Thanks. When you don't have any choice, you have a choice to work hard. Sanjeev Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Space: http://daarshnicsanjeev/spaces/live.com Call: +919820637390 Direct office: +9102267572118 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chaodhari, Sanjeev IN BOM SISL Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 3:15 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] hdfc ATM card Hi kanchan I asked about rules but Sr. Manager Corporate Salary but she sed its there internal rule. When I mention the fact some other vi hold ATM cards in mumbai's hdfc bank (without providing any ditailes about person or any branch) she has ask me to send me a mail with bank ditailes which she is going to forword to there product head, asking for product confermation with other ditailes. thank When you don't have any choice, you have a choice to work hard. Sanjeev Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Space: http://daarshnicsanjeev/spaces/live.com Call: +919820637390 Direct office: +9102267572118 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pamnani Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:22 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] hdfc ATM card Sanjeev, ask them for the Rules. My guess is that they will now quote from IBA. There is a point I have been trying to make to friends on a personal level and that is that if the visually challenged keep running of to the Commissioner of Disabilities and to the Courts then we are going to make life very difficult for ourselves and the next generation. The banking problem has been hassling us for some time but most of us got the accounts we wanted when there were no clear guidelines. Based on the Disabilities Commissioner's order the IBA came up with guidelines which have in fact damaged our cause. Now every bank has to live with the IBA guidelines and will start limiting us. PRANAV AND OTHERS WITH HDFC better watch out. They may just cancel your ATM. Everybody who runs to court should consider the long term repurcussion. The man who filed for banking rights before the Commissioner of Disabilities limited his own case. The discussion of the Disability Commissioner shows on the record that we have spoilt our own case. Someone did share this information on the list but I guess none of youll read this in detail. Lets be careful in the future. Maybe we should start a new thread on this discussion. Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: Pranav Lal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [AI] hdfc ATM card This is indeed strange. I did get an ATM card from hdfc so I do not know what rules they are talking about. I have 2 accounts with them. On 5/9/07, Chaodhari, Sanjeev IN BOM SISL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi pranav Problem is not with opening account in HDFC bank, problem is they are refusing to give me ATM card, they say that it does not feet in to rules. I have successfully open account in HDFC bank. When you don't have any choice, you have a choice to work hard. Sanjeev Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Space: http://daarshnicsanjeev/spaces/live.com Call: +919820637390 Direct office: +9102267572118 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:33 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] hdfc ATM card Hi Sanjeev, I successfully opened an account with the Kandivilli West branch in Mumbai. In the worst-case scenario, you could do the same and I could give you the contact information of my personal banker. Mind you, you could still go to the Worlie branch and access the facilities from their. Pranav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chaodhari, Sanjeev IN BOM SISL Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:52 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] hdfc ATM card Hi pranav I live in Mumbai, and banking in worly branch. When you don't have any choice, you have a choice to work hard.
[AI] Is IT Or Any Private Sector Employment An Undesirable Option?
Honorable Members, I am delighted to present my opinion on the point, is IT sector, or for that matter, any private sector establishment an undesirable career option for the disabled? Here we should not go to the extremes. Some feel that the private sector is untouchable for the government people and vice versa. That is not true. If we prove our potential, we can pressurize even the private companies to regularize the jobs. Still they resist, I dont see any reason in working for those companies any longer. Then it will be the time to quit and look for work elsewhere. If that too fails, a fine idea is to start a venture of our own. Thanks Venkat - Heres a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] hdfc ATM card
Sanjeev Good your problem is over. We will fight every battle in this manner till it becomes too much for the banks to deal with each individual case as an exception. this is the best way to get it. We are also working on a memorandum for the Banking facilities and will revert to this group when some proper drafting is done. Also looking at modifying and or challenging the CCPD order as well as IBA Rules. It will take some time because all issues have to be considered. In the meantime I am working on the NSDL representation and the Petition against Rs. 2 coins. Check accessindia for further details. In another case I have senta notice to Bank of Baroda regarding non granting of ATM to one Anjali Jamale who is not part of this group. I think it may be worked out soon based on the reply that I have received from the Branch. Will revert. If anybody has been denied any banking service because they are visually challenged , they must start asking for these facilities immediately so that we can capitalise on the situation and use the RBI email IDs that I had emailed. Kanchan - Original Message - From: Chaodhari, Sanjeev IN BOM SISL [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 17:12 Subject: Re: [AI] hdfc ATM card Dear members Hi Finally I got ATM card. Email id given by harish and kanchan has worked. But the bad site of this is they still didn't have change there rules, which means if another visually challenged person wants ATM card in HDFC bank. Then he will have to go again same procedure again. They have given me ATM card considering me as exception, and I have to go to there branch to collect my card and pin number. Usually for others it comes by corier. And don't worry pranav, according to then they have issue ATM card to you, when this rule was not there, so they cannot do anything. So what do you think member's what should we do in order to realize them that I am not the alone, Thanks. When you don't have any choice, you have a choice to work hard. Sanjeev Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Space: http://daarshnicsanjeev/spaces/live.com Call: +919820637390 Direct office: +9102267572118 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chaodhari, Sanjeev IN BOM SISL Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 3:15 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] hdfc ATM card Hi kanchan I asked about rules but Sr. Manager Corporate Salary but she sed its there internal rule. When I mention the fact some other vi hold ATM cards in mumbai's hdfc bank (without providing any ditailes about person or any branch) she has ask me to send me a mail with bank ditailes which she is going to forword to there product head, asking for product confermation with other ditailes. thank When you don't have any choice, you have a choice to work hard. Sanjeev Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Space: http://daarshnicsanjeev/spaces/live.com Call: +919820637390 Direct office: +9102267572118 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pamnani Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:22 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] hdfc ATM card Sanjeev, ask them for the Rules. My guess is that they will now quote from IBA. There is a point I have been trying to make to friends on a personal level and that is that if the visually challenged keep running of to the Commissioner of Disabilities and to the Courts then we are going to make life very difficult for ourselves and the next generation. The banking problem has been hassling us for some time but most of us got the accounts we wanted when there were no clear guidelines. Based on the Disabilities Commissioner's order the IBA came up with guidelines which have in fact damaged our cause. Now every bank has to live with the IBA guidelines and will start limiting us. PRANAV AND OTHERS WITH HDFC better watch out. They may just cancel your ATM. Everybody who runs to court should consider the long term repurcussion. The man who filed for banking rights before the Commissioner of Disabilities limited his own case. The discussion of the Disability Commissioner shows on the record that we have spoilt our own case. Someone did share this information on the list but I guess none of youll read this in detail. Lets be careful in the future. Maybe we should start a new thread on this discussion. Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: Pranav Lal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [AI] hdfc ATM card This is indeed strange. I did get an ATM card from hdfc so I do not know what rules they are talking about. I have 2 accounts with them. On 5/9/07, Chaodhari,
Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
Hi Sudhir Even in public sectors, they are going for contract jobs. Even if one gets a regular employent, anyone can be easily retrenched. All said and done, for a fresher private sector is a great learning place. Good hands are in much demand in the IT space and one can leveridge it in a period of time to ones advantage. Harish. - Original Message - From: Sudhir R (NeSTIT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities... Dear Harish bhai, I fully agree with you that contract employment could act as the thin edge of the wedge to induce companies to consider employing the differently abled employees. And, uncertainties do bring out the best from us too. But, the fact remains that the best trapeze artists and movie stuntmen perform with a safety net to catch them should anything go wrong. (smile) I am afraid I can't effectively articulate the gnawing fears and trepidations of a disabled resource working in a IT company who gets his contract renewed often only on the last day and perhaps only for a further period of six months. I was hoping some of these silent sufferers to speak out, but, obviously they might be feeling embarrassed or insecure and I fully empathise with their unenviable situation. Being a banking professional, you will agree with me that life requires one to plan ahead for security of our own selves and that of our family, like buying a home, making investments for retirement etc. In the absence of a working social security mechanism in India, the best bet for a disabled person is still a steady job which guarantees a steady stream of predictable revenues. From this point of view, contract employment, highly favoured by the hard core professionals who can dictate their terms, is not the best of news for our young friends. This is what I wanted to highlight through my mail, since I know (and I myself have been recommending) many bright youngsters have been looking away from the staid government sector job markets to these glamourous sunrise sectors. All that glitters, as is often in real life, is not obviously gold. (smile) Rgds RS M: 098 472 76 126 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harish Kotian Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:02 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities... Hi Sudhir You have raised a very interesting topic for introspection. In my personal view, contract work is a sort of blessing in disguise. 1 The employers are apprehensive about the capabilities of the blind. This gives us a window to make an entry and gives us an opportunity to prove ourselves. 2 Due to the uncertainties involved it forces one to get the best out of us. However, uncertainty is not desirable in a long run to maintain healthy relationship. This can be nicely put to the folks in the HR dept who have specialists out there to understand it better. Intervention of NGO's or help from HR consultuncy firms can also help in getting the message across. Once having gained experience and having sharpened skill sets one is in a better position to find jobs elsewhere. Now, one is in a better position to clinch a deal to ones terms. I personally feel it is better to grow in an organisation than keep changing jobs frequently. It helps mutually. Harish. - Original Message - From: Sudhir R (NeSTIT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities... Dear Subramony, I can understand hard core professionals opting for contract-based employment that allows them to be loose-coupled to the employer. But, this is a voluntary decision and most often than not, the terms of the contract are thrashed out after mutual discussions. The cases I referred to in my original mail pertains to trainees, not professionals. I am quite sure they would prefer regular jobs, if given a choice, since their professional skill-sets are not well-developed. And, what are thrust upon these hapless youngsters are unilateral contracts, not ones discussed thread-bare. And, of course, the matter of discrimination comes up when just the disabled candidates have to put up with such 'modern' practices. Those able-bodied who join along with them or after them are taken on rolls. Now, do you smell something fishy ? Rgds RS M: 98 472 76 126 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:36 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities... Dear Sudhir: I am not too conversant with the legalese of contract employment, but it is certainly becoming the
Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
Hi Parimala What did the HR folks have to say on your juniors getting regularised and promoted? Do they have different yardsticks? Harish. - Original Message - From: parimala shinde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities... Hay Sudheer! Thanks a million for bringing such a vital topic on to the list to be discussed and debated. In fact, I was more than a 100 times thrilled with the news IT sectors opening up for the PWD category. But let me tell you the hard realities of being employed in an IT company as to what it really feels to be getting the kind of treatment meted out to myself, and a hearing impaired friend of mine called Ashvini Kishen. Things look and sound greener at the top of it. But the hard realities hear are completely different. I was happy to know that I've cleared my interview at IBM. I was more than shocked to receive a call from an agency called Manpower asking me to collect the offer letter. But wait!!! This was not all!!! I was told that my contract was for just 6 months. I had a word with my computer teacher Ms. Shanti Raghavan on the terms and conditions of the contract to me where I was told that this is a tool employed by most of the IT Company's to keep the count low. I did accept the offer for the higher remuneration that was offered. I therefore joined IBM on the 30th September 2005, and am still working on a contract basis. I've proved myself long time a go, and as many times as I needed to. Some thing more disheartening for Ashvini and myself is that wile our non disabled juniors have bin promoted and have bin regularized, our positions have bin the same, of course we are given an appraisal each year. I did negotiate on the contract part with my people manager, but it seems like all my efforts have gone worthless. I've therefore decided not to break my head against the wall, and to go for some thing else which is more productive in terms of rewards, and am willing to put the kind of effort and hard work the job demands out of me. And friends trust me, ones you tend to enter this kind of a cobweb, there is no easy escape out of it. My sincere advice to my friends opting for a career out of the IT sector is to be very careful in negotiating the terms of the offer before hand. Thanks and regards Parimala Sudhir R (NeSTIT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear friends, We have all been enthused in recent months by the continuous stream of 'heart-warming' news reports from the booming IT and ITES sectors of India opening their doors to the visually challenged. But, closer observation of the facts on the ground reveal certain trends that are disquieting and disillusioning and though not politically correct, I thought I must bring these to the kind attention of Access Indians. a) It seems many of those who have been recruited have been taken in as contract employees and remain so for years together. The professed excuse bandied by the companies is that they want to keep the actual employee count low. This excuse would have held water had not the companies gladly confirmed the non-disabled staff members who were recruited along with or much later than their disabled counterparts. I can understand a company extending an employee's probation if he does not measure up, but, extending contracts umpteen number of times seem to take on sinister tones. b) Simultaneously, I think these unfortunate disabled candidates also suffer discriminatory treatment vis-a-vis their non-disabled peers in terms of compensation and benefit, seniority etc due to the long years they spend as contract employees. c) It may be fashionable to explain this phenomenon as a modern trend in employment thanks to globalisation, but, when it applies only to one segment of (disadvantaged) employees, I prefer to call it high-handed discrimination. India does not have a social security mechanism in place and the best bet for any disabled resource is still the security of a regular job. Unfortunately, the current practice seems to be denying this precise safety net to the disabled. I am not sure how many of Access Indians working in the IT / ITES sector are currently suffering this discrimination silently, hoping to be confirmed in the years to come. But, anecdotal evidence has shown me that many of the so-called 'equal opportunity employers' who hog media limelight with their 'diversity enrichment' programmes are major culprits of this shameful practice. May be, a few of the silent sufferers should speak out for the sake of other starry-eyed youngsters who have been building castles in thin air after reading all these media reports. Simultaneously, can legal eagles like Kanchan and Rajesh educate us about the current Indian laws applicable to the rights of contract employees ? I am sure it is mandatory
Re: [AI] Self Introduction
Hai Kameshwari, welcome on board Access India.you will surely be benefited with the discussions. regards, rajesh. MoB:9940314234. - Original Message - From: kameshwari rao [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: [AI] Self Introduction Hi friends, I have recently joined the Access India family hence I wish to give a brief introduction of myself. I'am congenitally blind. I was initially educated at Little Flower Conment, Chennai and Nab Delhi. I continued my education at Nagpur. I'am a graduate of commerce from Nagpur university. I later on pursued a diploma course in Advansed Computer Programming from NAB Bangalore. Presently I'am working with IBM Bangalore as a service coordinator. My interests include reading magazines, mystry and adventurous novels, developing a healthy friends circle, music etc. I hope the Access India family will help in enriching my knowledge as well as develop new and a healthy friend circle. thanks. Kameshwari Rao. To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
Dear Harish, I am not disputing the contract employment system, the retrenchment possibility even while in regular employment, the attraction of the IT sector or the hard bargain a good professional can drive with a prospective employer. I am merely bothered by the singular way IT majors seem to apply this practice to their disabled employees. Parimala's is not an isolated case, believe me. Other sufferers are also there on our group and I am sure, lots of persons with other disabilities are also discriminated against similarly. In fact, I know of one instance where a high profile CEO of a IT company waxed eloquent about opening the doors of his company to the visually challenged a few years back, hired a few trainees while he was holding an important position in Nasscom and quietly packed them off after he faded from the limelight. I have no complaints against him if the contract termination was due to the non-performance of the resources. But, knowing the corporate penchant for hogging media, it is very possible that the entire episode was an orchestrated one, the poor visually challenged resources being the sacrificial goats in the process. What amazes me is how the very companies that practise this discrimination towards the disabled, still hog the limelight in the media as equal opportunity employers of PWDs. Their advertising budget ensures that the mainstream media toes their line without any trace of the investigative journalism or sting operations that seem to be reserved only for politicians and bureaucrats. Wish I had got this information on the day rediff.com carried the article on IT companies opening their doors to the visually challenged which I had naively and enthusiastically posted in AI a few weeks back. I could have at least written a few nasty comments on the true state of affairs and the readers might have got a more balanced view of the issue. (smile) Rgds RS M: 98 472 76 126 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harish Kotian Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:48 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities... Hi Sudhir Even in public sectors, they are going for contract jobs. Even if one gets a regular employent, anyone can be easily retrenched. All said and done, for a fresher private sector is a great learning place. Good hands are in much demand in the IT space and one can leveridge it in a period of time to ones advantage. Harish. - Original Message - From: Sudhir R (NeSTIT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities... Dear Harish bhai, I fully agree with you that contract employment could act as the thin edge of the wedge to induce companies to consider employing the differently abled employees. And, uncertainties do bring out the best from us too. But, the fact remains that the best trapeze artists and movie stuntmen perform with a safety net to catch them should anything go wrong. (smile) I am afraid I can't effectively articulate the gnawing fears and trepidations of a disabled resource working in a IT company who gets his contract renewed often only on the last day and perhaps only for a further period of six months. I was hoping some of these silent sufferers to speak out, but, obviously they might be feeling embarrassed or insecure and I fully empathise with their unenviable situation. Being a banking professional, you will agree with me that life requires one to plan ahead for security of our own selves and that of our family, like buying a home, making investments for retirement etc. In the absence of a working social security mechanism in India, the best bet for a disabled person is still a steady job which guarantees a steady stream of predictable revenues. From this point of view, contract employment, highly favoured by the hard core professionals who can dictate their terms, is not the best of news for our young friends. This is what I wanted to highlight through my mail, since I know (and I myself have been recommending) many bright youngsters have been looking away from the staid government sector job markets to these glamourous sunrise sectors. All that glitters, as is often in real life, is not obviously gold. (smile) Rgds RS M: 098 472 76 126 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harish Kotian Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:02 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities... Hi Sudhir You have raised a very interesting topic for introspection. In my personal view, contract work is a sort of blessing in disguise. 1 The employers are apprehensive about the capabilities of the blind. This gives us a window to make an entry and
[AI] Seeking help with configuring Gmail account to Outlook express
Dear all, I would like to configure g mail account in my outlook express. I did create a G mail ID and did download auto configuration G Mail tool from Aruni's home page. I also did enable the pop access through setting in gmail web site. Inspite of all these; OE is giving an error. can you please advise where I am going wrong and what could I do for corrective action? Thanks and please advise. Asif To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Seeking help with configuring Gmail account to Outlook express
Have you actually run the config file and filled up the required options? - Original Message - From: Mohammed Asif Iqbal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:13 PM Subject: [AI] Seeking help with configuring Gmail account to Outlook express Dear all, I would like to configure g mail account in my outlook express. I did create a G mail ID and did download auto configuration G Mail tool from Aruni's home page. I also did enable the pop access through setting in gmail web site. Inspite of all these; OE is giving an error. can you please advise where I am going wrong and what could I do for corrective action? Thanks and please advise. Asif To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
Hay Harish! I was simply asked not to compare terms of my offer and performance with an other coligue. I was further suggested by a senior manager to convert my 100% effert in to 200%, and that in to 400% and 600% to be converted in to a regular employee. To add to my troubles, I am not given the kind of responsibilities to try my luck all though I've given my 100% in what ever I've done so far . Thanks and regards Parimala Harish Kotian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Parimala What did the HR folks have to say on your juniors getting regularised and promoted? Do they have different yardsticks? Harish. - Original Message - From: parimala shinde To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities... Hay Sudheer! Thanks a million for bringing such a vital topic on to the list to be discussed and debated. In fact, I was more than a 100 times thrilled with the news IT sectors opening up for the PWD category. But let me tell you the hard realities of being employed in an IT company as to what it really feels to be getting the kind of treatment meted out to myself, and a hearing impaired friend of mine called Ashvini Kishen. Things look and sound greener at the top of it. But the hard realities hear are completely different. I was happy to know that I've cleared my interview at IBM. I was more than shocked to receive a call from an agency called Manpower asking me to collect the offer letter. But wait!!! This was not all!!! I was told that my contract was for just 6 months. I had a word with my computer teacher Ms. Shanti Raghavan on the terms and conditions of the contract to me where I was told that this is a tool employed by most of the IT Company's to keep the count low. I did accept the offer for the higher remuneration that was offered. I therefore joined IBM on the 30th September 2005, and am still working on a contract basis. I've proved myself long time a go, and as many times as I needed to. Some thing more disheartening for Ashvini and myself is that wile our non disabled juniors have bin promoted and have bin regularized, our positions have bin the same, of course we are given an appraisal each year. I did negotiate on the contract part with my people manager, but it seems like all my efforts have gone worthless. I've therefore decided not to break my head against the wall, and to go for some thing else which is more productive in terms of rewards, and am willing to put the kind of effort and hard work the job demands out of me. And friends trust me, ones you tend to enter this kind of a cobweb, there is no easy escape out of it. My sincere advice to my friends opting for a career out of the IT sector is to be very careful in negotiating the terms of the offer before hand. Thanks and regards Parimala Sudhir R (NeSTIT) wrote: Dear friends, We have all been enthused in recent months by the continuous stream of 'heart-warming' news reports from the booming IT and ITES sectors of India opening their doors to the visually challenged. But, closer observation of the facts on the ground reveal certain trends that are disquieting and disillusioning and though not politically correct, I thought I must bring these to the kind attention of Access Indians. a) It seems many of those who have been recruited have been taken in as contract employees and remain so for years together. The professed excuse bandied by the companies is that they want to keep the actual employee count low. This excuse would have held water had not the companies gladly confirmed the non-disabled staff members who were recruited along with or much later than their disabled counterparts. I can understand a company extending an employee's probation if he does not measure up, but, extending contracts umpteen number of times seem to take on sinister tones. b) Simultaneously, I think these unfortunate disabled candidates also suffer discriminatory treatment vis-a-vis their non-disabled peers in terms of compensation and benefit, seniority etc due to the long years they spend as contract employees. c) It may be fashionable to explain this phenomenon as a modern trend in employment thanks to globalisation, but, when it applies only to one segment of (disadvantaged) employees, I prefer to call it high-handed discrimination. India does not have a social security mechanism in place and the best bet for any disabled resource is still the security of a regular job. Unfortunately, the current practice seems to be denying this precise safety net to the disabled. I am not sure how many of Access Indians working in the IT / ITES sector are currently suffering this discrimination silently, hoping to be confirmed in the years to come. But, anecdotal evidence has shown me that many of the so-called 'equal opportunity employers' who hog media limelight with their 'diversity enrichment' programmes are major
Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities...
In effect, what you are trying to say is while we can say ok to contracts, we can't say yes to deferred promotions and lack of recognition of performance and so on. But how do we confront this? As Rajesh had said we can't legally prove discrimination of this sort, as we have sighned up to the contract (which means we are agreeing to the terms). Also, how do we distinguish those employers who are creating the impression that they have an inclusive policy, while actually discriminating in rewarding performances, from those who are genuinely inclusive? The purpose of this should be tyo find solutions, rather than just exchanging ideas. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sudhir R (NeSTIT) Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:23 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities... *** No virus was detected in the attachment no filename Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. ***-*** Dear Harish, I am not disputing the contract employment system, the retrenchment possibility even while in regular employment, the attraction of the IT sector or the hard bargain a good professional can drive with a prospective employer. I am merely bothered by the singular way IT majors seem to apply this practice to their disabled employees. Parimala's is not an isolated case, believe me. Other sufferers are also there on our group and I am sure, lots of persons with other disabilities are also discriminated against similarly. In fact, I know of one instance where a high profile CEO of a IT company waxed eloquent about opening the doors of his company to the visually challenged a few years back, hired a few trainees while he was holding an important position in Nasscom and quietly packed them off after he faded from the limelight. I have no complaints against him if the contract termination was due to the non-performance of the resources. But, knowing the corporate penchant for hogging media, it is very possible that the entire episode was an orchestrated one, the poor visually challenged resources being the sacrificial goats in the process. What amazes me is how the very companies that practise this discrimination towards the disabled, still hog the limelight in the media as equal opportunity employers of PWDs. Their advertising budget ensures that the mainstream media toes their line without any trace of the investigative journalism or sting operations that seem to be reserved only for politicians and bureaucrats. Wish I had got this information on the day rediff.com carried the article on IT companies opening their doors to the visually challenged which I had naively and enthusiastically posted in AI a few weeks back. I could have at least written a few nasty comments on the true state of affairs and the readers might have got a more balanced view of the issue. (smile) Rgds RS M: 98 472 76 126 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harish Kotian Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:48 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities... Hi Sudhir Even in public sectors, they are going for contract jobs. Even if one gets a regular employent, anyone can be easily retrenched. All said and done, for a fresher private sector is a great learning place. Good hands are in much demand in the IT space and one can leveridge it in a period of time to ones advantage. Harish. - Original Message - From: Sudhir R (NeSTIT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [AI] IT sector employment - stark realities... Dear Harish bhai, I fully agree with you that contract employment could act as the thin edge of the wedge to induce companies to consider employing the differently abled employees. And, uncertainties do bring out the best from us too. But, the fact remains that the best trapeze artists and movie stuntmen perform with a safety net to catch them should anything go wrong. (smile) I am afraid I can't effectively articulate the gnawing fears and trepidations of a disabled resource working in a IT company who gets his contract renewed often only on the last day and perhaps only for a further period of six months. I was hoping some of these silent sufferers to speak out, but, obviously they might be feeling embarrassed or insecure and I fully empathise with their unenviable situation. Being a banking professional, you will agree with me that life requires one to plan ahead for security of our own selves and that of our family, like buying a home, making investments for retirement etc. In the absence of a working social security mechanism in India, the best bet for a disabled person is still a steady job which guarantees a steady stream of predictable revenues. From this
