[AI] FW: December 2007 - CBR Forum - News, Information and Updates

[Subramani L]

 
 
-Original Message-
From: Mahesh Chandrasekar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 4:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: December 2007 - CBR Forum - News, Information and Updates
 
 
www.cbrforum.in   
 
CBR Forum - News, Information and Updates 
December 2007
 
Networking, Advocacy and Lobbying - in promoting the rights of persons
with disabilities and in making disability a crosscutting issue in
development 
Compiled by: 
C. Mahesh, Advocacy Coordinator
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
INDIA 
 
I01
Ability Foundation - EmployAbility 2008 
 
Ability Foundation   is a cross
disability non-government organisation that works for the empowerment,
inclusion and rights of people with disabilities. 
 
Employ ABILITY2008, the job opportunities fair for qualified persons
with disabilities to be held at New Delhi on February 24 th 2008. Employ
ABILITY2008 is being organized by Ability Foundation and CavinKare (P)
Ltd., in association with the National HRD Network Delhi Chapter and
Naukri.com  . 
 
Click here for the news in detail
http://www.abilityfoundation.org/employability2008.htm
 
 
 
I02
Creating Space for Women with Disabilities to Communicate & Advocate for
their Rights 
Project Partners: AWWD (India), SARPV (Bangladesh), AKASA (SriLanka),
HLWW (UK), Supported by: DFID, UK 
 
The initial 'master' training will facilitate a group of 25 Women with
Disabilities (WWD) from the South Asia region including India,
Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, Pakistan, Afghanistan and the
Maldives in leadership & advocacy skills within a rights based
framework. 
 
For Further details contact
 
Ms Kuhu Das: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Regional coordinator - AWWD India) 
Mr David Curtis: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Head of Programme and
Capacity Development, Healthlink Worldwide, UK) 
 
 
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Jharkand Viklang Manch-JVM, Jamshedpur 
 
A small but significant success of the struggle for an inclusive, just
and fair society. 
 
The "Jharkand Public Service Commission-JPSC" has finally relented to
the pressure of JVM, writ petition in the High Court, letter from
Commissioner (Disabilities), application filed to PIO (Public
Information Office) under the RTI (Right to Information Act). And
finally on 13th December 2007, JPSC announced the revised list of
candidates in which 17 People with Disabilities in the revised list. 
 
For further details contact: Mr. Arun Kumar Singh, Jharkand Viklang
Manch and Mr. Victor, Action Aid, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 
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10 days Special Casual Leave Provisions for Employees with Disabilities 
 
The Department of Personnel and Training (DOPT) OM No. 28016/02/007-Estt
(A) dt. 14-11-2007, provides provision of 10 days Special
Casual Leave Provisions for to differently-abled Central Government
employees to participate in conferences, workshops, seminars, trainings
related to Disability & Development related programmes organized at
National and State level. 
 
Source: Anjlee Agarwal, Executive Director, Samarthya,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 
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Airline displays callousness
Source: Hindustan Times, 19th Dec 2007
 
A person with disability including wheelchair users are forced to sign
an APPLICATION FOR THE CARRIAGE OF MEDICAL PASSENGER - which to my mind
and understanding is meant for persons with disabilities. However, it
appears only the "VISIBLE" health conditions i.e. using mobility aids
like walkers, sticks, wheel chairs, stretchers are targeted for filling
up the above mentioned application. Personally I felt very bad to sign
the application but had no choice because the airline can deny one to
fly..Experiences of Sanjeev Sachdeva 
 
Click here for the article
http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/artMailDisp.aspx?article=20_12_2007_003
_015&typ=1&pub=47
  
 
 
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BPO enabled by differently enabled 
Source TOI, 2nd Dec 2007 
 
It's a company with a difference - the difference being its 81 employees
who are people with different kinds of disabilities including physically
challenged, hearing impaired and visually challenged persons. The
company, Vindhya E-Infomedia in Bangalore, has grown from a small data
entry firm launched in June 2006 to a full-fledged non-voice BPO with
profits touching a crore. Its profit in the initial months was just Rs
40,000 to Rs 50,000. 
 
For more details on this article click here
 
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/BPO_enabled_by_differently_enabled/rs
sarticleshow/2588182.cms
  
 
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Careers at CBR Forum
 
CBR Forum is looking for Project Officer/s (2 Posts). Deadline for
sending in yo

[AI] problem reading photo scanned text

[Ravi Paul]

Hai people,
I have got a problem with regard to reading the photo scanned text.

the sighted folks tell me that the rellevent material is visible on the screen
but I find that JAWS doesn't read the thing that is visible there.

I would appriciate it if you would give me a sollution.

hoping that you will give me the sollution,
thankyou in advance.

regards
Ravi Paul

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Re: [AI] problem reading photo scanned text

[Abdul Razique Khan]

Hello sir,

Its obvious that jaws will not read that document as it has not been 
converted to text. In order to convert any image into text, you need an OCR 
software. (OCR stands for optical character recognision). You can also use 
fine reader to scan pages and convert them into text.

Hope this helps,
Abdul
- Original Message - 
From: "Ravi Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 5:23 PM
Subject: [AI] problem reading photo scanned text


> Hai people,
> I have got a problem with regard to reading the photo scanned text.
>
> the sighted folks tell me that the rellevent material is visible on the 
> screen
> but I find that JAWS doesn't read the thing that is visible there.
>
> I would appriciate it if you would give me a sollution.
>
> hoping that you will give me the sollution,
> thankyou in advance.
>
> regards
> Ravi Paul
>
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Re: [AI] about Income Tax.

[Prof. S. R. Mittal]

Dear Mr. Naren.
The conveyance allowance for both the non-disabled as well as the disabled 
is exumpted from income tax.
Mittal.
- Original Message - 
From: "dr.u.n.sinha narain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] about Income Tax.


> all right. is there some exumption on conveyance allowance which
> disabled are availing?, please intimate me, as it was earlier under
> income tax act section 10. is there some exumption on the payment an
> employee receives through the creative writing or through examination,
> please enlighten me about the same.
> With kind regards:
> .Dr. Udai Narain Sinha
>
> On 12/19/07, nafisa buhariwala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Arent we both women and visually impaired> From:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Date: Wed, 
>> 19
>> Dec 2007 14:18:14 +0530> Subject: Re: [AI] about Income Tax.> > but, they
>> are getting benefit for being a woman and also for being a vi, correct if 
>> I
>> am wrong., is it the case that they may choose only one benefit i.e.
>> deduction for females or alternatively that for VI?> > Rajesh> >
>> -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sweety 
>> bhalla>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:10 AM> To:
>> accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Subject: Re: [AI] about Income Tax.> >
>> That's true, for all. But I'm telling about particularly VI women, who 
>> are>
>> not getting extra benifits.> Regards> - Original Message -> From:
>> Rajesh Asudani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To:
>> > Sent: 19/12/2007 10:22 AM> Subject: Re:
>> [AI] about Income Tax.> > > > why not!> > For sighted women, exemption 
>> limit
>> is somewhat more than that for sighted> men, I think 135000 or so. So,
>> exemption of 75000 would be in addition to> that, isn't it?> >> > Rajesh> 
>>  >>
>> >> > -Original Message-> > From:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sweety 
>> bhalla>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:04 AM> > To:
>> accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Subject: Re: [AI] about Income Tax.> >> 
>>  >
>> No additional exemptions for the vi women.> > - Original 
>> Message ->
>> > From: Vetrivel Adhimoolam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: Zujar 
>> > Kanchwala
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;> > > > 
>> Sent:
>> 18/12/2007 5:00 PM> > Subject: Re: [AI] about Income Tax.> >> >> > > In
>> addition, I have also been told that there are more exemption for> > >
>> visually challenged women. Could someone clarify on that?> > >> > > 
>> Vetri.>
>> > >> > > - Original Message -> > > From: Zujar Kanchwala> > > To:
>> accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 
>> 12:05
>> AM> > > Subject: Re: [AI] about Income Tax.> > >> > >> > > Hi Mahesh,> > 
>>  >>
>> > > The information is correct. An exemption of Rs. 75000/- is available 
>> > > to>
>> > > people with 100% impairment and it is Rs. 5/- in case of people
>> with> > > less than 100% impairment. You can avail the exemption 
>> certificate
>> from> > NAB> > > every year.> > >> > > To add to this, we can also avail 
>> of
>> exemption on Profession Tax, for> > which> > > the exemption certificate 
>> can
>> be availed from NAB. You need to submit> > > Profession Tax exemption
>> certificate only once and not every year.> > >> > >> > >> > > On Mon, 17 
>> Dec
>> 2007 Mahesh Panicker wrote :> > > >Hi list.> > > >> > > >I am told that 
>> the
>> visually challenged are exempted from income tax. is> > > >this> > >
>> >information correct? is it complete exemption, or are their any income> 
>> > > >
>> >limit? is there a government order regarding it? if yeas, where can I> 
>> >get>
>> > > >it?> > > >> > > >pplease get me the details.> > > >> > > >thanks in
>> advance!.> > > >with best regards.> > > >> > > >--> > > >Mahesh S. 
>> Panicker>
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>> >> > >> > >> > > Best Regards...> > >> > > Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala> > > 
>> >> > >> > >> > > SE,
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Re: [AI] [RSVI, LUCKNOW]-Become Braille press of India

[Vedprakash Sharma]

could you please tell me if braille books are available for senior secondary 
level maths with you?
- Original Message - 
From: "Devnandan Kumar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Access India" 
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: [AI] [RSVI, LUCKNOW]-Become Braille press of India


> RSVI/ CIRCULAR
> DATE:- 20/12/2007
>
> Dear Falks,
>
> We are very happy to update you, that we are also identified as well
> prominent Braille press by
> Ministry of Social Justice & Empowerment, Govt. of India. You can witness
> our name at Ministry's
> website:- http://socialjustice.nic.in/disabled/welcome.htm , under link 
> List
> of Braille Presses in India.
>
> This may be also brought to the notice of the School for the Blind/
> Universities and State Project
> Directors os SSA.
>
> Thanks
> Devnandan Kumar
>
> Executive Officer
> RSVI, First Floor, Avadh Tower
> Hazratganj, Lucknow 226001
> Ph. 9336396969/ 9412171026
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[AI] line breaks in word

[Anjali Arora]

friends
when I copy the text from web page and paste it into a word file there are 
unwanted breaks in between.
these look like return key at uneven places between the sentence.
I have tried autoformat but with no results.
please tell me how to remove these unwanted line breaks.
of course I know these can be removed manually...but isn't there a better way? 
tell me that! simple naa?

regards 
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Re: [AI] urgent- about reading a news on the web - Ekinath

[ekinath ekinath]

Hi,
Appreciate your response, But problem persists as it  is just the
difference of the web address. Accessibility to a wholw of a storry is
allmost nothing.
Your can only hear headlines or main caps..
Pl. guide me on the same.

regards
ekinath


On 12/18/07, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Instead of hinduonline.com, you should type-in the following address
> in your address bar:
>
>
> http://hindu.com/
>
>
> It should take you to the daily news paper sectjion. Sadly the e-paper
> is not accesable with JAWS and you'll have to read through the above
> mentioned website address.
>
> Vetri.
>
> On 17/12/2007, ekinath ekinath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi renuka/Accessindia,
> >
> > I try to read Hindu on "hinduonnet.com" website but cannot read hear
> > anything other than daily snapshot of events..
> > When i tried going for E-paper Its in aPDF format which is not red by
> > Jaws or by Adobe Reader.
> > How do you read full paper if at all.
> > Please reply soon because i am preparing for competative exam where
> > biz knoledge is of atmost importance..
> >
> > thanks and regards
> > Ekinath
> > On 12/12/07, renuka warriar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > That is usually done.  But from yesterday onwards, even after doing
> this,
> > > the news is not being displayed.  This problem is only for the links of
> > the
> > > states.  No problems is there in opening the other links like the
> national
> > > link,front page,  science and technology etc.  don't know what is to be
> > > done.
> > >
> > > Renuka.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "niranjanraj urs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 5:24 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AI] a problem in opening the links in the hindu
> > >
> > >
> > > >I really dont understand it, but what I do I may share. Generally when
> > > > you press a link, after some time lag,it announces that so many frames
> > > > and links are open. Then hitting the letter "n" , one will reach
> > > > thenews item one clicked for. But when the announcement like Paji
> > > > announcement is made, I will instead use the up arrow key till I reach
> > > > the desired news item. You may also Pl. try this.
> > > > Niranjan.B
> > > >
> > > > On 12/12/07, Vetrivel Adhimoolam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> Try deleting history and all the other temporary internet files.
> You'll
> > > >> find
> > > >> them under internet options.
> > > >>
> > > >> Vetri.
> > > >>
> > > >> - Original Message -
> > > >> From: renuka warriar
> > > >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:21 AM
> > > >> Subject: [AI] a problem in opening the links in the hindu
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi friends,
> > > >> I used to read the Hindu news paper every day, but from yesterday
> > > >> onwards,
> > > >> whenever I tried to open the links of the states, this dialogue
> > appears
> > > >> "Error - http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pag...
> > > >> We can't find  "http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pag...";
> > > >> Error -  Invalid syntax
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/ads?client=ca-pub-6238405171313215&dt=1197439591500&lmt=1197409562&prev_fmts=468x60_
> > > >> Find It".
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> What could be the meaning of it?  Does everybody face this problem?
> Is
> > > >> there any remedy for it?
> > > >>
> > > >> Hoping for a favourable reply,
> > > >>
> > > >> Renuka.
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Re: [AI] Files not visible

[Balaram]

Dear Friend,
I am afraid, You have got all the false info about operating systems such as 
Linux and Unix. Till now, I haven't heard about a hardware crash due to 
these operating systems. Indeed, I have installed, and used Ubuntu in 
desktops as well as in laptops with effortless ease.

- Original Message - 
From: "Syed Imran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Files not visible


> Hi my dear friend
>
> I hurd these operating systems like Linux and Unix are so powerful that 
> they
> even crash the hardware if not they are operated carefully, or they 
> consume
> the system resources very big time?
> You know that i'm not against you, but I just intend to get this 
> clarified.
> One of our good gentlemen like you, had posted a link on the list to
> download GNOME linux operating system. He told us that the operating 
> system
> itself is equipped with an "In-built" ORCA screenreader, and there's 
> nothing
> further to be done, than just inserting the GNOME Linux CD while the 
> system
> boots up. I did this in my laptop, but I didn't have the fortune of 
> getting
> to hear its speech output while the system was booting in "Linux mode".
> Finally I started the GNOME linux taking one of my sighted folk's
> assistance, but when we activated ORCA, it didn't speak. But I'm still
> willing to carry on my Linux experiments, although I'm worried about the
> problems my system has to undergo.
> Do let me know your experiences with Linux if you are using it.
>
> With best regards
> Syed Imran
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Balaram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Files not visible
>
>
>> Dear friends,
>> adding on the joke,
>> if not today tomorrow, Microsoft can really become murda.
>> Ubuntu and the bundled screen reader orca is making good progress and are
>> on
>> their way to really threatening Windows and the screen readers.
>> The problem that I have faced on Ubuntu and orca is brousing internet.
>> The most positive aspect of Ubuntu is that, we don't have to depend
>> anybody
>> to install it and we don't have to search for motherboard drivers to
>> enhance
>> audio and video performance. Indeed, it has to make progress on scanning
>> and
>> sound editing.
>> Though, there are more than useful software packages to fulfil these
>> needs,
>> accessability is a problem at least for now.
>> So, if we try to get in terms with ubuntu and orca, I don't think, it 
>> will
>> take too long to throw away the ever bug producing and virus vulnerable
>> windows.
>> Dear folks, here, I would like to know how much of you have tasted Ubuntu
>> and orca.
>> Important!
>> I am not writing these words to offend any ideologies or to fume any
>> argumentative debate on the list.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "FARHAN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "access india" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Files not visible
>>
>>
>>> ha ha ha ha ha. how is microsoft is murdhaubaudh?
>>> has Windows Xp  been created from microsoft? if yes,then how is 
>>> microsoft
>>> is
>>> murdhaubaudh
>>> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. please do not say this words again. otherwise
>>> windows
>>> xp,which is elder sister of vista,will tell about these words.
>>> ha ha ha ha this is just like a joke! ha ha ha.
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Vetrivel Adhimoolam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:15 AM
>>> Subject: [AI] Files not visible
>>>
>>>
 Hi everyone,

 Here is the tricky question: Some of my MP3 files that I burnt to CD
 with
 XP
 is not visible in my new vista computer. The folder looks like empty.
 But
 those CDS are perfectly all right and I can use them very well with XP.
 I
 even tried copying those files to the flash disk, but the situation is
 basically the same. Any solution? I used so many previous versions of
 windows, but never encountered so much of troubles like vista. 
 Microsoft
 Murdhaubaudh!

 Vetri.
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[AI] contact details of kanchan pamnani

[dinesh thole]

hello to all
I request anyone of you to give me the contact numbers of kanchan pamnani.
thanking you all.
warm regards
dinesh thole
mobile: 9922942801
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Re: [AI] problem reading photo scanned text

[Vetrivel Adhimoolam]

You need to tell us a bit more. Like the format of the scanned text, the 
program in use to access the document and so on.

- Original Message - 
From: Ravi Paul
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:53 AM
Subject: [AI] problem reading photo scanned text


Hai people,
I have got a problem with regard to reading the photo scanned text.

the sighted folks tell me that the rellevent material is visible on the 
screen
but I find that JAWS doesn't read the thing that is visible there.

I would appriciate it if you would give me a sollution.

hoping that you will give me the sollution,
thankyou in advance.

regards
Ravi Paul

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Re: [AI] history of computer education for blind in india

[Harish Kotian]

Hi Subramani

It doesn't do much good using the old screen reader. They need hardware 
synthesizers. However knowledge of DOS is a big asset. I still use a good 
deal of DOS command under Windows. I routinely search for files using DOS 
than the File Find in Windows. It is much faster and you can get to your 
file much quickly this way.

Screen like NVDA is free and pretty good, then why move backward. I'll touch 
on other aspects in one of the postings
Harish
- Original Message - 
From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] history of computer education for blind in india


> Yes you are right about tweaking legacy stuff. In a recent conference by
> Microsoft Research India, I heard a Pakistani scientist, Umar Saif from
> Lahore University of Management Sciences speak about using a network
> layer (which was used in the early part of internet development) to
> by-pass ISP's and transfer large files at the dial up modem speed.
>
> I heard that broadband remains out of the reach of many ordinary
> Pakistanis who use dial up connections whose speeds are not more than 10
> or 15 KBPS and through this approach --called peer-to-peer
> connectivity-- people can connect to the individual host computer and
> pass on even the larger files. I forgot the exact name of the network
> layer router they use for this.
>
> By the way, it is a suggestion from someone who doesn't know much about
> deployment of technologies-- is it possible to use these legacy
> technology to improve penetration of computers among visually challenged
> persons, assuming that this would cut cost and perhaps allow them to
> slowly get use to the computers? Am asking this out of curiosity, please
> pardon my ignorance.
>
> Subramani
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harish
> Kotian
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:21 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] history of computer education for blind in india
>
> Hi Subramani
> Certainly not, I still have DOS running on my other system which runs
> Win98
> on it.
>
> DOS apps do run  in the MsDOS box of WINx systems. Sometimes legacy apps
>
> need to be tweeked up. So, it needs to be kept going.
>
> Harish.
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Subramani L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] history of computer education for blind in india
>
>
>> Interesting stuff Harish, what a journey? For someone who started
>> straight with Windows 95 and JAWS, this sounds like Charles Babbage or
>> even Darwin kind of stuff!
>>
>> By the way, what ever has happened to DOS Hal? Is it in the museum?
>>
>> Subramani
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harish
>> Kotian
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:31 PM
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] history of computer education for blind in india
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I joined the RBI in 81 as a telephone operator when I was in the
> middle
>> of
>> HSC which is equivalent to 12th std. Telephonist was sort of the only
>> job
>> available to the educated blind then. It was a fun job, but I was
>> feeling
>> intelectually choked as it was a very mechanical type of work.
>>
>> I looked for some alternatives and I fancied for the IAS and I learnt
> in
>> the
>> west, the blind were also into programming. This fired my imagination
>> and
>> started digging info on it. I got convincedI could make it.
>>
>> The next task was to get myself trained in programming. None of the
>> institutes would admit me. Even those who were then technologically
> savy
>>
>> pronounced it was impossible for a blind to do programming.
>>
>> To make a long story short, I got admission to one institute the owner
>> of it
>> was my father's friend.
>>
>> I started with COBOL language.I had no access technology at all. I
> would
>>
>> write my programme in Braille, read it out to the computer operator,
> who
>>
>> would key it in and tell me the output. It was a very frustrating way
> to
>>
>> work on as I got into major miscommunication problems.
>> Despite it all, I topped the class.
>>
>> The trend that time was to learn the major languages one after
> another.
>> I
>> however, took a different path. I gave myself a break and practised
> the
>> language very intensively and only thereafter moved to the other
>> language. I
>> gained immensely by this approach.
>>
>> Computer time during those days was very precious and scarce, some
>> gentle
>> souls, did give it to me. I  later came across a person, who owned a
>> Apple
>> system which had built in speech synthesizer. I was very thrilled to
>> hear
>> it. However I learnt later, it could only be used in games and no
> screen
>>
>> reader in it. These were all all 8 bit processors and few other
> systems
>> too
>> came in the marke

Re: [AI] history of computer education for blind in india Part 3

[Harish Kotian]

Hello all

Today I'll deal with the effectiveness of computer education. This would also 
touch on the suggestion of Subramani, of using, the old screen readers.
 
During the good DOS days, there was a huge demand for programmers and those who 
were savy in it. So, the emphasis was on software development. Computer was not 
percieved as an assistant and a tool. unthinkable in any form of entertainment 
except the computer games.
 
Computer was seen as an end rather as a means to an end. This was the big 
bottleneck for effective teaching in computers.

All said and done not all could get to thinking like a computer and hence most 
were really not suited for computer training at that point of time. I had done 
all my computer education in the meanstream courses and even there one could 
get only 1 to 3 % good programmers.

During the days when I was teaching mostly the blind and some able bodied, I 
found similar results. I must confess, the results of teaching computer 
training was not generating very good results. The level of involvement was not 
very good either.

DOS was totally command driven and hence one need to know each and every 
commands. It was text based and generally there were not much of UI problems.

The screen readers were pretty efficient in providing all the information one 
needed to know. Some were even smart to trigger different action when values 
changed in certain location on the screen. The screen reader had an easier way 
to seek information. There were reading the content from the video RAM which 
had a fixed address.DOS was a single user system and only one task could be 
performed at a time. However the OS allowed for application to be memory 
resident, therefore, this was used for the screen readers to eves drop on the 
video memory.

The cenerio changed in mid 90's with the Windows also comming in.
The 32 bit processing totally changed, in the range and variety, the computers 
were used. soon it was turning to be a tool capable of doing multiple things 
almost simultaneously.
 
It was this time the effectiveness of imparting computer education proved very 
benificial andeffective. We got  good results all over the country during these 
days.

I'll call it a day now and touch on the time using computer networks. Bye until 
then.
Harish.

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Re: [AI] about Income Tax.

[dr.u.n.sinha narain]

please sir kindly intimate me the section because so far as i have
been told that section 10 which was applicable for this purpose is
deleated last year.
regards
dr. udai narain sinha

On 12/20/07, Prof. S. R. Mittal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Mr. Naren.
> The conveyance allowance for both the non-disabled as well as the disabled
> is exumpted from income tax.
> Mittal.
> - Original Message -
> From: "dr.u.n.sinha narain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] about Income Tax.
>
>
> > all right. is there some exumption on conveyance allowance which
> > disabled are availing?, please intimate me, as it was earlier under
> > income tax act section 10. is there some exumption on the payment an
> > employee receives through the creative writing or through examination,
> > please enlighten me about the same.
> > With kind regards:
> > .Dr. Udai Narain Sinha
> >
> > On 12/19/07, nafisa buhariwala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Arent we both women and visually impaired> From:
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Date: Wed,
> >> 19
> >> Dec 2007 14:18:14 +0530> Subject: Re: [AI] about Income Tax.> > but, they
> >> are getting benefit for being a woman and also for being a vi, correct if
> >> I
> >> am wrong., is it the case that they may choose only one benefit i.e.
> >> deduction for females or alternatively that for VI?> > Rajesh> >
> >> -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sweety
> >> bhalla>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:10 AM> To:
> >> accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Subject: Re: [AI] about Income Tax.> >
> >> That's true, for all. But I'm telling about particularly VI women, who
> >> are>
> >> not getting extra benifits.> Regards> - Original Message -> From:
> >> Rajesh Asudani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To:
> >> > Sent: 19/12/2007 10:22 AM> Subject: Re:
> >> [AI] about Income Tax.> > > > why not!> > For sighted women, exemption
> >> limit
> >> is somewhat more than that for sighted> men, I think 135000 or so. So,
> >> exemption of 75000 would be in addition to> that, isn't it?> >> > Rajesh>
> >>  >>
> >> >> > -Original Message-> > From:
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sweety
> >> bhalla>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:04 AM> > To:
> >> accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Subject: Re: [AI] about Income Tax.> >>
> >>  >
> >> No additional exemptions for the vi women.> > - Original
> >> Message ->
> >> > From: Vetrivel Adhimoolam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: Zujar
> >> > Kanchwala
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;> > > >
> >> Sent:
> >> 18/12/2007 5:00 PM> > Subject: Re: [AI] about Income Tax.> >> >> > > In
> >> addition, I have also been told that there are more exemption for> > >
> >> visually challenged women. Could someone clarify on that?> > >> > >
> >> Vetri.>
> >> > >> > > - Original Message -> > > From: Zujar Kanchwala> > > To:
> >> accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007
> >> 12:05
> >> AM> > > Subject: Re: [AI] about Income Tax.> > >> > >> > > Hi Mahesh,> >
> >>  >>
> >> > > The information is correct. An exemption of Rs. 75000/- is available
> >> > > to>
> >> > > people with 100% impairment and it is Rs. 5/- in case of people
> >> with> > > less than 100% impairment. You can avail the exemption
> >> certificate
> >> from> > NAB> > > every year.> > >> > > To add to this, we can also avail
> >> of
> >> exemption on Profession Tax, for> > which> > > the exemption certificate
> >> can
> >> be availed from NAB. You need to submit> > > Profession Tax exemption
> >> certificate only once and not every year.> > >> > >> > >> > > On Mon, 17
> >> Dec
> >> 2007 Mahesh Panicker wrote :> > > >Hi list.> > > >> > > >I am told that
> >> the
> >> visually challenged are exempted from income tax. is> > > >this> > >
> >> >information correct? is it complete exemption, or are their any income>
> >> > > >
> >> >limit? is there a government order regarding it? if yeas, where can I>
> >> >get>
> >> > > >it?> > > >> > > >pplease get me the details.> > > >> > > >thanks in
> >> advance!.> > > >with best regards.> > > >> > > >--> > > >Mahesh S.
> >> Panicker>
> >> > > >room no. 121;> > > >Kaveri-hostel;> > > >Jawaharlal Nehru university
> >> new delhi 110067 india.> > > >To unsubscribe send a message to
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> >> >> > >> > >> > > Best Regards...> > >> > > Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala> > >
> >> >> > >> > >> > > SE,
> >> MPHASIS,> > > Hello on 9224429816.> > > To unsubscribe send a message to
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Re: [AI] about Income Tax.

[dr.u.n.sinha narain]

Mittal Saheb,
so far my little knowledge is concern section 10 applicable for this
purpose was deleated last year and I paid income tax on the same.
regards:
u.n. sinha

On 12/21/07, dr.u.n.sinha narain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> please sir kindly intimate me the section because so far as i have
> been told that section 10 which was applicable for this purpose is
> deleated last year.
> regards
> dr. udai narain sinha
>
> On 12/20/07, Prof. S. R. Mittal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dear Mr. Naren.
> > The conveyance allowance for both the non-disabled as well as the disabled
> > is exumpted from income tax.
> > Mittal.
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "dr.u.n.sinha narain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AI] about Income Tax.
> >
> >
> > > all right. is there some exumption on conveyance allowance which
> > > disabled are availing?, please intimate me, as it was earlier under
> > > income tax act section 10. is there some exumption on the payment an
> > > employee receives through the creative writing or through examination,
> > > please enlighten me about the same.
> > > With kind regards:
> > > .Dr. Udai Narain Sinha
> > >
> > > On 12/19/07, nafisa buhariwala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Arent we both women and visually impaired> From:
> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Date:
> Wed,
> > >> 19
> > >> Dec 2007 14:18:14 +0530> Subject: Re: [AI] about Income Tax.> > but,
> they
> > >> are getting benefit for being a woman and also for being a vi, correct
> if
> > >> I
> > >> am wrong., is it the case that they may choose only one benefit i.e.
> > >> deduction for females or alternatively that for VI?> > Rajesh> >
> > >> -Original Message-> From:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sweety
> > >> bhalla>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:10 AM> To:
> > >> accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Subject: Re: [AI] about Income Tax.> >
> > >> That's true, for all. But I'm telling about particularly VI women, who
> > >> are>
> > >> not getting extra benifits.> Regards> - Original Message ->
> From:
> > >> Rajesh Asudani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To:
> > >> > Sent: 19/12/2007 10:22 AM> Subject:
> Re:
> > >> [AI] about Income Tax.> > > > why not!> > For sighted women, exemption
> > >> limit
> > >> is somewhat more than that for sighted> men, I think 135000 or so. So,
> > >> exemption of 75000 would be in addition to> that, isn't it?> >> >
> Rajesh>
> > >>  >>
> > >> >> > -Original Message-> > From:
> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sweety
> > >> bhalla>
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:04 AM> > To:
> > >> accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Subject: Re: [AI] about Income Tax.>
> >>
> > >>  >
> > >> No additional exemptions for the vi women.> > - Original
> > >> Message ->
> > >> > From: Vetrivel Adhimoolam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: Zujar
> > >> > Kanchwala
> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;> > > >
> > >> Sent:
> > >> 18/12/2007 5:00 PM> > Subject: Re: [AI] about Income Tax.> >> >> > > In
> > >> addition, I have also been told that there are more exemption for> > >
> > >> visually challenged women. Could someone clarify on that?> > >> > >
> > >> Vetri.>
> > >> > >> > > - Original Message -> > > From: Zujar Kanchwala> > >
> To:
> > >> accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007
> > >> 12:05
> > >> AM> > > Subject: Re: [AI] about Income Tax.> > >> > >> > > Hi Mahesh,>
> >
> > >>  >>
> > >> > > The information is correct. An exemption of Rs. 75000/- is
> available
> > >> > > to>
> > >> > > people with 100% impairment and it is Rs. 5/- in case of people
> > >> with> > > less than 100% impairment. You can avail the exemption
> > >> certificate
> > >> from> > NAB> > > every year.> > >> > > To add to this, we can also
> avail
> > >> of
> > >> exemption on Profession Tax, for> > which> > > the exemption
> certificate
> > >> can
> > >> be availed from NAB. You need to submit> > > Profession Tax exemption
> > >> certificate only once and not every year.> > >> > >> > >> > > On Mon,
> 17
> > >> Dec
> > >> 2007 Mahesh Panicker wrote :> > > >Hi list.> > > >> > > >I am told that
> > >> the
> > >> visually challenged are exempted from income tax. is> > > >this> > >
> > >> >information correct? is it complete exemption, or are their any
> income>
> > >> > > >
> > >> >limit? is there a government order regarding it? if yeas, where can I>
> > >> >get>
> > >> > > >it?> > > >> > > >pplease get me the details.> > > >> > > >thanks
> in
> > >> advance!.> > > >with best regards.> > > >> > > >--> > > >Mahesh S.
> > >> Panicker>
> > >> > > >room no. 121;> > > >Kaveri-hostel;> > > >Jawaharlal Nehru
> university
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Re: [AI] A land mark judgement of reservation of VH in promotion

[dr.u.n.sinha narain]

is this applicable to visually handicapped too?
drun

On 12/20/07, Harshvardhan Singh Negi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kindly find the judgement of Delhi highcourt regarding Reservation in
> promotion of VH
>
> IN THE HIGH COURT OF DELHI AT NEW DELHI
>
>
>
> WP (C) Nos. 11818 and 13627-28/2004
>
>
>
> 07.12.2007
>
>
>
> Pronounced on : December 07, 2007
>
>
>
> # Union of India thru G.M. Northern Railway .Petitioner in
>
> WP(C) No.
>
> 11818/2004
>
> Chairman, Railway Board Petitioner in WP(C) No.
>
> 13627-28/2004
>
> ! through : Mr.
>
> V.S.R. Krishna with
>
> Mr. B.S. Rajesh Agrajit
>
>
>
> VERSUS
>
>
>
> $ Jagmohan Singh .Respondent in
>
> WP(C) No.
>
> 11818/2004
>
> Northern Railway Physically Handicapped
>
> Employees Welfare Association and Ors.
>
> ..Respondent in WP(C) No.
>
> 13627-28/2004
>
> ! through : Dr. Harish
>
> Uppal for the
>
> respondent in WP(C)
>
> No.11818/2004
>
> Mr.A.K. Behera for the
>
> respondent in WP(C) No.
>
> 13627-28/2004
>
> CORAM :-
>
> THE HON'BLE MR.JUSTICE A.K.SIKRI
>
> THE HON'BLE MR. JUSTICE VIPIN SANGHI
>
>
>
> 1. Whether Reporters of Local papers may be allowed to see the Judgment?
>
> 2. To be referred to the Reporter or not?
>
> 3. Whether the judgment should be reported in the Digest?
>
>
>
> A.K. SIKRI, J.
>
> 1.The question that arises for consideration in these cases is as to whether
> 3%
>
> reservation under Section 33 of the Persons with Disabilities (Equal
>
> Opportunities, Protection of Rights and Full Participation) Act, 1995
>
> {hereinafter referred to as the 'Disability Act'} in the public employment
>
> provided in favour of the physically handicapped persons would be available
> to
>
> them even for promotions as well. The Tribunal has, vide the impugned
> judgment,
>
> decided this question in the affirmative. Not satisfied with this opinion of
>
>
>
> the Tribunal, in these writ petitions the said judgment was assailed by the
>
> Government. It would be advisable to take note of the factual matrix under
>
> which the aforesaid question arises for consideration from WP (C) No.
> 11818/04.
>
>
>
> 2.The respondent herein is an orthopaedically handicapped person having 55%
>
> disability. He was appointed as LDC in the Northern Railways on 16.6.1972.
> He
>
> got promotions from time to time and has risen to the rank of Office
>
> Superintendent Grade-I (OS-I). Next promotion is to the post of Chief Office
>
> Superintendent (COS). Two posts of COS were created by the petitioner on the
>
> recommendations of the Fifth Central Pay Commission vide letter dated
> 10.5.1998.
>
> They are to be filled up as a one time relaxation following the process of
>
> modified selection as per the Railway Board's communication dated February
> 1999.
>
> It is not in dispute that the existing instructions with regard to
> reservations
>
> of SC/ST have been observed to be continued in the new grades.
>
>
>
> 3.Even before the Disability Act came into force in the year 1996, the
>
> Government of India, Department of Personnel and Training vide OM dated
>
> 28.2.1986 had provided for reservations in jobs for physically handicapped
>
> persons in Group C and D posts. The posts on which such reservation was to
> be
>
> applied were identified by the Railway Board on 10.7.1987. As many as 253
> jobs
>
> in Group C and 17 in Group D were identified where physically handicapped
>
> persons could be appointed. The post in question, namely, Chief Office
>
> Superintendent is a Group C post. The Government of India, Ministry of
>
> Personnel issued a memorandum on 20.11.1989 providing reservation for
> physically
>
> handicapped in the posts filled by promotion. This has to be implemented by
> all
>
> Ministries and Departments. By Disability Act coming into force on 7.2.1996,
> a
>
> mandatory requirement of providing 3% reservation in appointments has been
> made,
>
> which included handicap in vision, hearing and locomotion. However, this is
>
> with a rider that having regard to the type of work in any establishment,
> the
>
> appropriate Government by way of a notification exempt any department or
>
> establishment from reserving the posts for disabled persons. Memorandum
> dated
>
> 16.1.1998 provides 100 point roster for reserved posts for physically
>
> handicapped and point No.1 is reserved for physically handicapped. OM dated
>
> 18.2.1997 issued by the Ministry of Personnel provides reservation as per
> roster
>
> to the physically handicapped persons in Group A and B posts and also OM
> dated
>
> 4.7.1997 providing roster points No. 1, 24, 67 in the cycle of 100 vacancies
> for
>
> 100 point roster to be reserved for physically handicapped persons.
>
>
>
> 4.The respondent herein wanted that for appointment to the post of COS
>
> reservation for physically handicapped persons be also made in tune with
> such
>
> reservations having provided for SC/ST candidates. We may, however, note
> that
>
> prior to the enactment of the Disability Act, t

[AI] our clocks can be set by a voice.

[vinod benjamin]

st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } 
Dear list,

 

  I found this information would be useful to you all thatis why I am pasting 
the article with this,

 

Regards.

 

Speech Technology Magazine

Thursday, December 13, 2007

 

Sensory Announces NewTime-Setting Technology

 

By Lauren Shopp 

 

Walking into Grandma's houseand seeing the VCR blinking 12:00 could soon be a 
thing of the past. With a newupdate to its FluentChip firmware, Sensory is 
making it possible for granny toset the clock on her VCR with her voice.

  

FluentChip v3.1, whichSensory released yesterday, includes TimeSet, a 
technology that allows anyRSC-4x enabled device with a clock to have its time 
set using natural spokenphrases, eliminating the confusing manner in which 
digital clocks areprogrammed.

 

The chip will be embeddedinto consumer products such as alarm clocks, microwave 
ovens, VCRs, DVRrecorders, and thermostats. It doesn't require any user or 
device training, oran unusual sequence of spoken commands or discrete input of 
digits. It isactivated by pushing a push-to-talk button on the device.

 

Todd Mozer, president andCEO of Sensory, believes the chip's ease of use will 
entice consumers."Historically, you hit the timeset and the clock says, 'Please 
say thehour,' 'Please say the minutes', 'Please say a.m. or p.m.'," he 
states."That's cumbersome and takes a lot of steps." Products embedded withthe 
new FluentChip give users the ability to say just, 'Seven-thirty a.m.' toset an 
alarm clock or program a recording time for their television.

 

Mozer says a Hong Kong company, Cyber Workshops, is currentlydeveloping a 
platform around FluentChip: a clock with other time-relatedcapabilities. 
Electronics with the technology could be available as early asnext year. 

 

"There's a really highdemand for it; people wanted it for a long time," Mozer 
states. "Wejust didn't have the accuracy on our chips to do it. The issue is we 
can do iton software on a PC but doing it on a little eight-bit processor with 
limitedmemory is difficult."

 

Though the chip acts as analternative to a recording device's visual interface, 
Sensory says FluentChipis in no way trying to compete with that interface. 
"[FluentChip] is verycomplimentary," Mozer says. 

 

 

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[AI] a glimpse of Google

[Sanjay]

A VISIT to the Google headquarters in Mountain View, near the
southern end of California's San Francisco Bay, must prompt a
feeling of nostalgia among web industry veterans. The Googleplex,
as the sprawling campus is known, is the place where the dotcom
bubble never burst.

When I arrive on a sunny summer morning, a group of employees is
playing volleyball outside the entrance foyer. I notice food
stations - filled with free sweets and fruit - decorating the
corridors of the light, low-rise buildings. (So does my taxi
driver: he heads for the fridge full of smoothies and pockets a
couple before looking for me.)

This impression of easy-going freedom is, of course, partly an
illusion. No firm can lead its sector by encouraging slacking,
let alone one that generated over $4 billion in revenues in the
last three months. Yet according to current and former employees,
Google manages something remarkable when it comes to workplace
culture. The firm that famously grew from a garage operation to
multinational business has, in the process, managed to hold on to
the creative spirit that imbued its early days. In that sense,
the Googleplex bubble never did burst.

Peter Norvig, Google's director of research, is proof of that.
Google poached him from a plum academic position - division chief
at NASA's nearby Ames Research Center - back in 2001. Prior
employers included Sun Microsystems, before which he earned a PhD
at the University of California, Berkeley. His online CV makes it
clear that he has not regretted the move away from academia. A
note to recruiters reads: "Please don't offer me a job. I already
have the best job in the world at the best company in the world."

"It's true," says Norvig, when I ask him about the statement. He
is wearing one of his trademark loud shirts as he ambles in,
slightly late because of the difficulty of finding the interview
room in a campus that has expanded rapidly in recent years.
"Google has so many opportunities that you don't feel limited
here," he says. It is a feeling that has been maintained to an
"amazing degree", he adds. "There are 10,000 people here, but in
some ways it feels the same as when I joined and there were 200."

So how has Google managed to grow so spectacularly yet still
retain a freewheeling ethos? Norvig believes that an absence of
hierarchy is key. His staff are organised into groups that focus
on specific projects, and often don't even know which
vice-president heads the division they work in. The emphasis is
on teams to innovate from the bottom up, rather than follow what
Norvig calls "Soviet-style" diktats from senior staff.Bending the
rules

Google has proved extraordinarily successful at commercialising
search results - its key product - mainly by selling targeted
adverts alongside them. But Norvig says that staff are also
encouraged to pursue projects simply because they tie in with
Google's overarching mission - which it says is "to organise and
promote access to the world's information" - even if there is no
immediate pay-off. In the week of my visit, for example, the
company has just expanded its Google Earth programme to allow
users to navigate through images of hundreds of millions of stars
and galaxies. "Nobody said we should do that to be profitable,"
says Norvig. "It's just a really cool thing to do."

The firm's willingness to pursue new ideas also means that many
staff are working on original projects rather than fixing bugs in
old ones. The astronomy project is just one of many: Google also
launched a new facial-recognition system this summer, and
recently purchased the Finnish firm Jaiku, which specialises in
social networking for mobile phones - a sort of Facebook for
cellphones.

Longer-term, says Norvig, his staff are thinking about language
translation software as a step towards making every website
accessible to all, irrespective of your native tongue. The firm
also has a new directory enquiries system that relies completely
on speech recognition software. When it comes to maintaining a
creative spirit in the office, having projects like these is a
crucial advantage, says Norvig. "We've benefited from the fact
that we are growing so fast and are continually having to
reinvent ourselves."

If that sounds too good to be true, bear in mind that Google is
sitting on billions of reserves following its flotation in 2004.
Shares in the company, originally offered at $85, are now worth
over $700 apiece. That creates the kind of warm glow from
investors that allows senior executives to experiment - a
"success buffer", as Norvig puts it. "If the company started
performing badly you'd see some changes," he says.

Google's unique workplace culture stems in part from the company's
novel hiring strategies. Norvig says that Google sometimes posts
job adverts that only appear when someone searches for an obscure
topic that the firm thinks is interesting. "Translation lookaside
buffer" - a component of computer memory - is one such phrase
that alert

Re: [AI] Betsi error page

[Sanjay]

Betsie stands for BBC Education Text to Speech Internet Enhancer, and is a 
simple Perl script which is intended to alleviate some of the problems 
experienced
 by people using text to speech systems for web browsing.


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Re: [AI] line breaks in word

[Subramani L]

This happens all the time for us as we cut/paste articles sent to us
through email. You have very little choice but to manually format them.

Subramani 



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Subject: [AI] line breaks in word

friends
when I copy the text from web page and paste it into a word file there
are unwanted breaks in between.
these look like return key at uneven places between the sentence.
I have tried autoformat but with no results.
please tell me how to remove these unwanted line breaks.
of course I know these can be removed manually...but isn't there a
better way? tell me that! simple naa?

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Re: [AI] line breaks in word

[Shadab Husain]

I copy all the web documents in the notepad and read
it there because in word lines and paragraphs….. I
presume people prefer word more than notepad so as to
remember the page numbers. This can easily be done in
notepad also by typing any peculiar word which is not
already there in the document for example I type
“Shadab” and then find the same when I read the thing
for the second time and delete it from there to avoid
confusion and use it as a bookmark.

I guess before a couple of months we have discusseesed
 

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Re: [AI] line breaks in word

[Syed Imran]

Simple? ah... ok
Just go to the page that needs to be copied.
The main reason why you get unwanted line breaks after pasting the text to 
word from internet explorer is because of using virtual cursor. Hence is the 
case, we shall not use it when copying. There are so many alternatives to 
this. The one which I like is this one.
Press alt+E and choose "select all" option
Without doing anything, press alt+E again, and select the option called 
"copy"
Launch notepad and paste the copied text.
Delete the unwanted stuff and copy the edited text to word.
If you want to know how to copy text "as it is" (retaining font, format and 
tabular structure), then it is a different story taking a slight twist at 
the end. Nevertheless, this will eliminate unwanted line breaks. If however 
you want to know the technical aspect of virtual cursor, its another long 
story. Or rather, it's a history.
With best regards
Syed Imran
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From: "Anjali Arora" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:24 AM
Subject: [AI] line breaks in word


> friends
> when I copy the text from web page and paste it into a word file there are 
> unwanted breaks in between.
> these look like return key at uneven places between the sentence.
> I have tried autoformat but with no results.
> please tell me how to remove these unwanted line breaks.
> of course I know these can be removed manually...but isn't there a better 
> way? tell me that! simple naa?
>
> regards
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Re: [AI] line breaks in word

[Vetrivel Adhimoolam]

You need to turn-off the virtual curser within internet explorer. After 
turning it off, you should select the entire web page and paste it in your 
word document to retain it's original format. After doing that you can 
remove the unwanted parts of the pasted page from your word document. 
However I have been told that JAWS 9 actually allows as to copy text from 
html page without compromising the format. But I am yet to test it.

Vetri.

- Original Message - 
From: Shadab Husain
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] line breaks in word


I copy all the web documents in the notepad and read
it there because in word lines and paragraphs... I
presume people prefer word more than notepad so as to
remember the page numbers. This can easily be done in
notepad also by typing any peculiar word which is not
already there in the document for example I type
"Shadab" and then find the same when I read the thing
for the second time and delete it from there to avoid
confusion and use it as a bookmark.

I guess before a couple of months we have discusseesed


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Re: [AI] Files not visible

[Syed Imran]

Alright, thanks for your clarification
May I know your system configuration?
- Original Message - 
From: "Balaram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Files not visible


> Dear Friend,
> I am afraid, You have got all the false info about operating systems such 
> as
> Linux and Unix. Till now, I haven't heard about a hardware crash due to
> these operating systems. Indeed, I have installed, and used Ubuntu in
> desktops as well as in laptops with effortless ease.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Syed Imran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 6:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Files not visible
>
>
>> Hi my dear friend
>>
>> I hurd these operating systems like Linux and Unix are so powerful that
>> they
>> even crash the hardware if not they are operated carefully, or they
>> consume
>> the system resources very big time?
>> You know that i'm not against you, but I just intend to get this
>> clarified.
>> One of our good gentlemen like you, had posted a link on the list to
>> download GNOME linux operating system. He told us that the operating
>> system
>> itself is equipped with an "In-built" ORCA screenreader, and there's
>> nothing
>> further to be done, than just inserting the GNOME Linux CD while the
>> system
>> boots up. I did this in my laptop, but I didn't have the fortune of
>> getting
>> to hear its speech output while the system was booting in "Linux mode".
>> Finally I started the GNOME linux taking one of my sighted folk's
>> assistance, but when we activated ORCA, it didn't speak. But I'm still
>> willing to carry on my Linux experiments, although I'm worried about the
>> problems my system has to undergo.
>> Do let me know your experiences with Linux if you are using it.
>>
>> With best regards
>> Syed Imran
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Balaram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Files not visible
>>
>>
>>> Dear friends,
>>> adding on the joke,
>>> if not today tomorrow, Microsoft can really become murda.
>>> Ubuntu and the bundled screen reader orca is making good progress and 
>>> are
>>> on
>>> their way to really threatening Windows and the screen readers.
>>> The problem that I have faced on Ubuntu and orca is brousing internet.
>>> The most positive aspect of Ubuntu is that, we don't have to depend
>>> anybody
>>> to install it and we don't have to search for motherboard drivers to
>>> enhance
>>> audio and video performance. Indeed, it has to make progress on scanning
>>> and
>>> sound editing.
>>> Though, there are more than useful software packages to fulfil these
>>> needs,
>>> accessability is a problem at least for now.
>>> So, if we try to get in terms with ubuntu and orca, I don't think, it
>>> will
>>> take too long to throw away the ever bug producing and virus vulnerable
>>> windows.
>>> Dear folks, here, I would like to know how much of you have tasted 
>>> Ubuntu
>>> and orca.
>>> Important!
>>> I am not writing these words to offend any ideologies or to fume any
>>> argumentative debate on the list.
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "FARHAN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "access india" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:16 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Files not visible
>>>
>>>
 ha ha ha ha ha. how is microsoft is murdhaubaudh?
 has Windows Xp  been created from microsoft? if yes,then how is
 microsoft
 is
 murdhaubaudh
 ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. please do not say this words again. otherwise
 windows
 xp,which is elder sister of vista,will tell about these words.
 ha ha ha ha this is just like a joke! ha ha ha.
 - Original Message - 
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 To: 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:15 AM
 Subject: [AI] Files not visible


> Hi everyone,
>
> Here is the tricky question: Some of my MP3 files that I burnt to CD
> with
> XP
> is not visible in my new vista computer. The folder looks like empty.
> But
> those CDS are perfectly all right and I can use them very well with 
> XP.
> I
> even tried copying those files to the flash disk, but the situation is
> basically the same. Any solution? I used so many previous versions of
> windows, but never encountered so much of troubles like vista.
> Microsoft
> Murdhaubaudh!
>
> Vetri.
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Re: [AI] history of computer education for blind in india Part 4

[Harish Kotian]

Hi all

Getting on the net was very exciting. I had my first taste  of it as early 
as 92's. Internet came to India arround 95.

I must add here I am a ham. I bought a terminal node connector (TNC) similar 
to a modem. This was connected to my Walkie Talkie transmittor. We had a BBS 
at Bombay. Using this I could send email messages, join news groups, do file 
transfer including binary files and even text chat. For voice chat we could 
do it even directly.
It was simply a wonderful world to step into. Many years later, when I 
joined a networking programme I realised the great contribution of ham's in 
computer networking technology. A few years later on, a ham, at South Africa 
set up a gateway, with which we could send emails to non hams on internet.

  In 96 I moved to Bangalore on promotion. I bought a new 486 system. The 
multi media kit also had an internal modem. Bangalore had  a very 
interesting BBS. Justin, Geetha and myself had great time up there. 
Unfortunately, there was a mishap and the only functional BBS in India 
became defunct.

Sometime thereafter, VSNL introduced internet in India. The plans were very 
expensive. They offered a reduced rate plan for students. Some of us shared 
an account. We had to use a terminal emmulator programme. I found one 
terminal emmulator called commo very good. There was no browser then. There 
was a text browser which resided on the server. It was called Lynx. I guess, 
this is still arround. One setting allowed us to  browse effectively. The 
links were numbered and we had to key in the number to open it.

There was an interesting way to check mails. There used to be a format 
called qwk format. The emails would get zipped up and we had to download it. 
Later on we could read it off line and open it in a qwk reader.

Closed to a pop3 account in the present days.

The popular sites we would visit were nfbnet.org, empowermentzone.com and 
fergusonenterprises.com

NFBNET too had a very interesting BBS. We would telnet to it.

The student account server was getting miserably bad by the day. 
Fortunately, BSNL reduced prices for the TCPIP account. I migrated to it. 
This was a non text account and our old tools would not work. It required a 
browser at the client end. I came across a programme called nettamer which 
allowed us to serf the net in text mode on DOS. I ran it for some years 
until I moved to Windows finally.

So long for todays episode. Tomorrows one shall be the Windows saga.
Until then, This is yours truely signing off.
Harish.

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From: "Harish Kotian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] history of computer education for blind in india Part 3


> Hello all
>
> Today I'll deal with the effectiveness of computer education. This would 
> also touch on the suggestion of Subramani, of using, the old screen 
> readers.
>
> During the good DOS days, there was a huge demand for programmers and 
> those who were savy in it. So, the emphasis was on software development. 
> Computer was not percieved as an assistant and a tool. unthinkable in any 
> form of entertainment except the computer games.
>
> Computer was seen as an end rather as a means to an end. This was the big 
> bottleneck for effective teaching in computers.
>
> All said and done not all could get to thinking like a computer and hence 
> most were really not suited for computer training at that point of time. I 
> had done all my computer education in the meanstream courses and even 
> there one could get only 1 to 3 % good programmers.
>
> During the days when I was teaching mostly the blind and some able bodied, 
> I found similar results. I must confess, the results of teaching computer 
> training was not generating very good results. The level of involvement 
> was not very good either.
>
> DOS was totally command driven and hence one need to know each and every 
> commands. It was text based and generally there were not much of UI 
> problems.
>
> The screen readers were pretty efficient in providing all the information 
> one needed to know. Some were even smart to trigger different action when 
> values changed in certain location on the screen. The screen reader had an 
> easier way to seek information. There were reading the content from the 
> video RAM which had a fixed address.DOS was a single user system and only 
> one task could be performed at a time. However the OS allowed for 
> application to be memory resident, therefore, this was used for the screen 
> readers to eves drop on the video memory.
>
> The cenerio changed in mid 90's with the Windows also comming in.
> The 32 bit processing totally changed, in the range and variety, the 
> computers were used. soon it was turning to be a tool capable of doing 
> multiple things almost simultaneously.
>
> It was this time the effectiveness of imparting computer education proved 
> very benificial andeffective. We got  good results all over the coun

[AI] FW: Book reading software

[Subramani L]

Folks:
 
Please go through the mail below. I saw a posting in another e-group
about a "software to scan and read books for the blind". I immediately
wrote to the gentleman below and got this response. Hope it's useful.
 
Subramani 
 

 
-Original Message-
From: M.S. Raju [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 11:18 AM
To: Subramani L
Cc: B Krishna Kumar
Subject: Re: Book reading software
 
 
Vision-Aid Charitable Services Society
(Registered Charitable Society   AP-819/2004)
Vision Aid Computer Training Institute 
16-2-19, Official Colony
Visakhapatnam 530 002
Phone   91/0-891 2706247
Help line   91/0- 9849498800 
Web: www.visionaid.org  
Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Partners:
Royal Commonwealth Society for the Blind, UK, Sight Savers Internationl,
India, VAInc. Lexington, USA
Collaborators &Associates:
LVPEI Hyderabad, Visakha Eye Hospital, Visakha
OphthalmicAssociation,Dept. of Sceintific and Industrial Research,India 
National Institute for Visually Handicapped (India) & Hadley School for
the Blind (USA) 
Divisions:  
Vision Enhancement, Vision Rehab, Braille Training, LVDevices & Computer
Training Institute for Blind and Low Vision 
 
President:
M.S.Raju, B.Tech (Hons) MIE, C E (India), Cert LV. Cert Mac Degen, Cert
Access Technologies, Hadley USA  
Vice President:
U.S.N.Murthy, MS (Ophthalmology) Surgeon & Eye Specialist, Govt.
Regional Eye Hospital  


 
December 21, 2007
Dear Mr.Subramani 
 
Thank you for your email. We are delighted that you as a journalist and
Deccan Herald  the well known news paper are taking interest in this
activity of ours which is helping visually disadvantaged. 
 
1. The book reading software is not developed by us, but is imported. We
believe that this is the first such installation in India. . It is
expensive and we do not foresee it being used by individuals. We have
installed it so that we can copy (book read) rare books and play to
blind and low vision persons. Once it is read by the software it will
load in to any computer and the user who may be blind or low vision can
play it leisure and listen to it. 
 
2. We have several other devices ,software and methods  develpoed by
us,with which we can equip blind and low vision persons in India at
nominal cost (because we subsidize them) They are as under.  
A. Camera mouse : This ia a device with which even acute low vision
person can read news papers and books on a domestic TV. This device
costs only Rs.2000 (50 to 75% cheaper than contemporary global devices).
We strongly suggest that you make a feature on this Camera Mouse in
Deccan Herald. We can supply you an exclusive story and pictures.
Further NAB Karnataka and Christofher Blinden Mission (CBM)  both in
Bangalore have purchased this device from us. 
 
B. We developed Reading Stands and Magnifiers for low vision persons.
These are supplied at subsidized prices which are ranging from Rs.300 to
900 only. We can supply you pictures on this. 
 
C. We train low vision as well as totally blind persons in computer
applications and have specially designed courses for them in several
levels and these courses are offered at subsidized prices ranging from
Rs.150 to Rs. 900 only. We tuttor the blind and low vision persons by
using individual computers and tutors. We supply demo software and
lierature to students free so that they can work from their homes after
graduation 
 
We are doing all the above activities on a no profit , non commercial
basis and even subsidize them, in tthe interest of helping visually
disadvantaged. According to our belief we are the only such
comprehensive centre in India. 
 
It will be very appropriate if you can send a reporter to whom we will
give all material, pictures and access, for an exclusive story and
feature in Deccan Herald. 
 
If you are unable to send any one to Visaklhapatnam, we will arrange a
volunteer free lance journalist to collect details and supply to you. We
will like Deccan Herald to take a lead in this matter and spread the
services to the visually disadvantaged. 
 
Please give your  postal address to which we can send literature about
our organisation.
 
Please also seriously consider making a feature in Deccan Herald in the
lines suggested above. 
 
Thanking you once again
 
Sincerely
 
M.S.Raju
President. 
Vision Aid Charitable Services Society. 
 

Subramani L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dear Mr. Raju:
 
I happened to read a mail about the book-reading software your
organisation seem to have installed. I am a journalist with Deccan
Herald and thought I can write about it. Also, I need information on its
sales/distribution. 
 
Subramani,
Deccan Herald,
080-25880507.
 
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[AI] About Talks

[Tanya]

Hi all,

First of all, here's wishing all the Muslim list
members a very happy Bakri Eed. Enjoy the day along
with all the yummy goodies.

I want to know does anyone know if Nokia 5310 works
with Talks. Is there an updated list of mobiles
compatible with Talks that I can check? Please let me
know.







"Disabilities create barriers, but determination breaks them".

Cheers!

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Re: [AI] About Talks

[Gopalakrishnan]

Hello,

Nokia 5310 is not compatible with Talks.  A list of mobile phones, 
compatible with Talks is pasted below:

Nuance TALKS for Series 60
list of 39 items
. Nokia 3230
. Nokia 3250
. Nokia 3650 / 3600
. Nokia 3660 / 3620
. Nokia 5500
. Nokia 5700
. Nokia 6110 Navigator
. Nokia 6260
. Nokia 6290
. Nokia 6600
. Nokia 6620
. Nokia 6630
. Nokia 6670
. Nokia 6680
. Nokia 6681
. Nokia 6682
. Nokia 7610
. Nokia 7650
. Nokia E50
. Nokia E60
. Nokia E61
. Nokia E61i
. Nokia E62
. Nokia E65
. Nokia E70
. Nokia N70
. Nokia N71
. Nokia N72
. Nokia N73
. Nokia N75
. Nokia N80
. Nokia N90
. Nokia N91
. Nokia N95
. Nokia N-Gage
. Nokia N-Gage QD
. Samsung SGH-D720
. Samsung SGH-D730
. Siemens SX1
list end
Nuance TALKS for Series 80
list of 4 items
. Nokia 9210 / 9210i
. Nokia 9290
. Nokia 9300
. Nokia 9500
list end

With regards,

Gopalakrishnan
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From: "Tanya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [AI] About Talks


> Hi all,
>
> First of all, here's wishing all the Muslim list
> members a very happy Bakri Eed. Enjoy the day along
> with all the yummy goodies.
>
> I want to know does anyone know if Nokia 5310 works
> with Talks. Is there an updated list of mobiles
> compatible with Talks that I can check? Please let me
> know.
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> "Disabilities create barriers, but determination breaks them".
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> Cheers!
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> Tanya
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