Re: [AI] Comprehensive WCAG conformance leads to accessibility for all irrespective of the technology used-any statement to prove this legally?

[Harish Kotian]

Hi Amar

Regarding this:

 is more legal in nature, which is to say that current Indian 
standards only restrict testing with NVDA which we can work around.





What is the basis of the above statement that current Indian standards 
only restrict testing with NVDA



From where did this restriction come from? It is important to 
understand it to move forward. We need not go by the vendor statement 
until and unless there is a basis to it and that the testing tool may be 
one of them and not a particular tool exclusively.


I am very doubtful that NVDA is the only screenreader to test with.

If they follow the guidelines meticulously, then it will work with any 
access technology.



If they have chosen a wrong an appropriate technology then it is their 
stupidity. They are a technology company and definitely they need to 
understand the pro's and con's of the technology. These guidelines are 
evolving and that these guidelines have been around in some form or the 
other. If they plead ignorance, then they should pay for their folly.



Sometimes screen reader's provide either natively or through ad don 
functionality more information to the user than what they are expected 
to. Therefore, use of a particular screen reader cannot be prescribed.



It should be strongly argued, that, an application is either compliant 
or non compliant. If they are not, they should be treated as defaulters 
and appropriate penalty should be imposed. If the cost of non compliance 
is a deterrent, then they will not resort to short cut strategy of 
fixing only those issues that someone complaints rather they will move 
to detailed testing on entire functionality.



Harish




On 14/09/2022 11:42, Amar Jain wrote:

Dear all,

We have a case going on for inaccessibility of our tax submission 
portal. The vendor is Infosys, and the problem is that only those 
issues that we are highlighting are getting resolved and comprehensive 
audit is not being done due to commercial reasons.


Further, there seems to be hard coding for NVDA, as the portal is 
reasonably functional with NVDA and not with Jaws. The lack of audit 
is also leaving behind persons with other disabilities.


The argument of the vendor is that it is because of the architecture 
of the portal which is why NVDA will be the only screen reader which 
should be used for maximum functionality. Second argument is more 
legal in nature, which is to say that current Indian standards only 
restrict testing with NVDA which we can work around.


We need to prove to the Court that a comprehensive WCAG conformance is 
technology independent and irrespective of the technology that people 
use, a comprehensive conformance will ensure widest accessibility 
possible.


Is there any document which backs-up this statement and is there any 
precedent where comprehensive audit has been asked by way of a court 
order?


In nutshell, I need to convince the court that a comprehensive audit 
is the only way to go, and a comprehensive conformance to WCAG will 
not produce different results with different technologies in terms of 
accessibility.


Your valuable inputs will be greatly appreciated before September 22.

Regards,

Amar Jain



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RE: [AI] How do I go into the calender ? I am using outlook 2016 on my laptop?

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Re: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws. . Inbox

[Siva Suresh]

Hi
What is the problam you are facing with accessing the share point? yes
as everyone rightly said it is accessible with JAWS. you can call me
for more information  on my mobile NO: 9550437181
Thank you. Shivasuresh

On 9/14/22, Maruti Paramwad  wrote:
> Hello Rahul,
> Thanks for the reply! I agree with with you. As you said, it is accessible,
> please tell me how? Because i am not able to use with jaws.
>
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>> Yes share point is accessible
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Re: [AI] Smart vision glasses feedback?

[Murali padmanabhan]

I do not know about the high-end model but what I have available in India has 
some issues with design as well that can be improved the cable can be done away 
with while using Bluetooth technology as we have Intha Bose glasses Ananda 
consideration would be to have it compatible with other platforms like iOS

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> On 14-Sep-2022, at 12:13 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:
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> Its not the worth of the price what they are asking.
> 
>> On 9/13/22, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
>> Hi Shankar,
>> 
>> Thanks a lot for your honest feedback!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ajay
>> 
>>> On 12/09/2022, techsavi.shan...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> Ajay,
>>> Had a chance to experience the glasses few days back and felt that
>>> product
>>> is not worth buying for personal usage.
>>> The device comes with 3 options like reading mode, face recognition and
>>> walking mode and the options are labelled using the braille.
>>> And the device must connected to the phone using the c type u s b all the
>>> time to interact with the glasses. Also The product comes with the mono
>>> audio and audio can be played through the phone but not from the glass.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On
>>> Behalf Of Ajay Minocha
>>> Sent: 11 September 2022 13:04
>>> To: accessindia 
>>> Subject: [AI] Smart vision glasses feedback?
>>> 
>>> Hi accessindians,
>>> 
>>> Keen to know if someone has got a chance to try the smart vision glasses
>>> by
>>> SGH?
>>> From the description, they sound like a product worth a serious try.
>>> Pls let me know your feedback.
>>> Also, happy to connect with any user off the list if possible.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ajay
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[AI] An Inclusive music competition udaan idol season 4

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Udaan Idol Season-4
Once again, Radio Udaan is here with the 4th season of Udaan Idol. Our
excitement sees no bounds when we experience our audience's love,
participation and keenness. Initially, we never thought Udaan Idol
would witness such a great response. Today, after three successful
seasons, we are even more enthusiastic about taking it to the next
level.

We conducted two seasons for adults and 1 for kids between the years
2018 to 2022, and they were phenomenal. Your constant love and our
determination keep the spirit of the Udaan idol energetic and
thrilling. As a result, this 4th season will be for all the adults who
want to leave the jaws dropped by their melodious voices. Hurry up, if
you are a citizen of India and between the ages of 17 to 40 years,
deposit your entry today! The last date for entry submission is 30th
November 2022!

An Inclusive competition
All our previous Udaan Idol competitions were exclusively for persons
with disabilities (PWDs). But this time, this will be an inclusive
competition, and anyone with or without a disability can take part and
win hearts!

Registration Method
You can register for Udaan Idol season 4 by visiting our website:
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in the required information, you must upload your recorded audio at
the required segment on the page. Make sure your audio is in MP3
format and without any editing.

Exciting Cash Prizes for the Winners
Participation in Udaan Idol will not just get you fame, name and
recognition but exciting cash prizes too. The first, second and third
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The Udaan Idol audition round ( the preliminary stage) will depend on
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Re: [AI] accessible dictionary regds,

[sampath raj rao]

Thank you Friends let me try word web...

On 9/13/22, Amiyo Biswas  wrote:
> Yes, wordweb is still available free at
> http://wordweb.info/free/
>
> It has a mobile version, but I have never tried it. You may try it on google
>
> play store.
>
> With best regards,
> Amiyo Biswas
> Cell: 6290527506
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Harshit Lohia" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 7:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] accessible dictionary regds,
>
>
>> Hi,
>> When you have internet connection, searching the meaning on Google is
>> the best option. When personal internet connection was not so
>> affordable, I had used a dictionary named "Word Web" on laptop.
>> However, I am not sure whether it is still available for download.
>> Also, I am not aware of any accessible offline dictionary app for
>> android.
>>
>> On 9/13/22, sampath raj rao  wrote:
>>> Hi Friends,
>>> Greetings of the day...
>>> Writing here after a long span...
>>> I'm with a request for an accessible dictionary to use both in my
>>> laptop as well as android mobiles which would make us know meanings of
>>> the words on PDF or while surfing on net.
>>> I want it to be so as the 'synonym' option in word documents in MS
>>> word which pops on right click after selecting a word.
>>>
>>> If there is no such app then please suggest some good accessible
>>> dictionary with no adds or cliches...
>>> Thanking you...
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Re: [AI] How do I go into the calender ? I am using outlook 2016 on my laptop?

[Amar Jain]

Mam-When you are in inbox, use control 2 for switching to calendar and use tab to jump from one event to other. Whichever event is about to start, you’ll see the join option upon pressing tab post the event.Press space to see events scheduled for a particular date and use tab to move between events.To return to inbox, press control1.Regards,Amar JainSent from my iPhoneOn 14-Sep-2022, at 6:08 PM, Preeti Monga  wrote:Dear Friends, How do I go into the  calender where my meetings are taken to after I accept them? I am using outlook 2016 on my laptop?Kindly help?WarmlyPreeti Preeti Monga – Chief Executive Officer Inspiring INCLUSION! Fostering DIGNITY!  Mobile : 91 9871701646E-mail : preeti.mo...@silver-linings.orgWebsite : www.silver-linings.orgOur Services: Trainings- Unique Motivation Programmes, Diversity & Inclusion, POSH. Your Choice to partner with us contributes towards quality Education & Empowerment of Visually Impaired Girls, and providing them with secure Hostel facility at SHIKSHA (A CSR Initiative of Silver Linings) 



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[AI] How do I go into the calender ? I am using outlook 2016 on my laptop?

[Preeti Monga]

Dear Friends,

 

How do I go into the  calender where my meetings are taken to after I accept
them? I am using outlook 2016 on my laptop?

Kindly help?

Warmly

Preeti

 

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[AI] 65 suffer vision loss due to laser lights during Ganesh fest in Kolhapur

[Minar Singh]

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[AI] Eyeway Alerts

[Ritu Jain]

1. Jobs-

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Re: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws.

[Amena Kanchwala]

Hi Maruti,
You can also open the excel file in "desktop application". If you are
opening the file from the table, then after selecting the same you will get
the option as "more" in the command bar. Here, in the "open menu", you will
get the option as "open in app". After activating the same, your file will
get open in the desktop application. Press "ctrl + s" after editing. And it
will be automatically saved online.
If you have any issue in share point, then please message me off the list.

Thanks and regards,
Amena


On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 1:12 PM Maruti Paramwad  wrote:

> Ok,  thanks again!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 14-Sep-2022, at 12:06 PM, Shek Mohammad Ali 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> It works charm with JAWS you do not have to use NVDA necessarily
>
>
>
> *From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in  *On
> Behalf Of *Maruti Paramwad
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2022 11:47 AM
> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws.
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the response! I will try what you suggested. I don’t have
> permission to use NVDA. That is not big issue.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maruti
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On 14-Sep-2022, at 11:38 AM, Shek Mohammad Ali 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Maruti,
>
> Web version of Excel is not so user friendly with screen reader.
>
> If it is a small sheet, turn off virtual PC cursor if you are using JAWS
> and get in to focus mode on NVDA.
>
> Then you can navigate between rows and columns as you do on desktop
> version. but it will be bit sluggish.  If that sheet has larger data,
> better to download the sheet in to your computer and make the changes and
> copy them in to the master sheet.
>
>
>
> *From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in  *On
> Behalf Of *Maruti Paramwad
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2022 7:30 AM
> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws.
>
>
>
> Someone shared excel with me. I want to edit that excel and send it back.
> If possible, please tell me both way.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
> On 13-Sep-2022, at 11:16 PM, Shek Mohammad Ali 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Are you hosting the documents in the Sharepoint or wanna view the shared
> documents with you.
>
> What is your requirement.
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
> --
>
> *From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
> on behalf of Maruti Paramwad 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2022 11:11:55 PM
> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
> On 13-Sep-2022, at 10:59 PM, Shek Mohammad Ali 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Yes it is completely accessible.
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
> --
>
> *From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
> on behalf of Maruti Paramwad 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2022 10:58:10 PM
> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
> *Subject:* [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws.
>
>
>
> Hi friends,
>
> Greetings!
> As above subject says I want to know that in our group, anyone used
> Microsoft SharePoint if yes, then please tell me it is accessible or not. I
> want to use share point with jaws.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AI] Comprehensive WCAG conformance leads to accessibility for all irrespective of the technology used-any statement to prove this legally?

[Amena Kanchwala]

Hi Amar,

If I am not wrong, our tax submission portal is an government website.

According to India | Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) - W3C
, all the Indian government
websites must be WCAG 2.0 Level A compliant.

And, Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0
 defines how to make Web content more
accessible to people with disabilities. Accessibility involves a wide range
of disabilities, including visual, auditory, physical, speech, cognitive,
language, learning, and neurological disabilities. Although these
guidelines cover a wide range of issues, they are not able to address the
needs of people with all types, degrees, and combinations of disability.
These guidelines also make Web content more usable by older individuals
with changing abilities due to aging and often improve usability for users
in general.

It is mentioned in the Guidelines for Indian Government Websites  manual

that the guidelines are based on the recommendation of W3c.

And, Introduction to Web Accessibility - W3C

clearly states that,   The Web is fundamentally designed to work for all
people, whatever their hardware, software, language, location, or ability.
When the Web meets this goal, it is accessible to people with a diverse
range of hearing, movement, sight, and cognitive ability.



Hope this helps.





Thanks and regards,

Amena



On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:42 AM Amar Jain  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
>
> We have a case going on for inaccessibility of our tax submission portal.
> The vendor is Infosys, and the problem is that only those issues that we
> are highlighting are getting resolved and comprehensive audit is not being
> done due to commercial reasons.
>
>
> Further, there seems to be hard coding for NVDA, as the portal is
> reasonably functional with NVDA and not with Jaws. The lack of audit is
> also leaving behind persons with other disabilities.
>
>
> The argument of the vendor is that it is because of the architecture of
> the portal which is why NVDA will be the only screen reader which should be
> used for maximum functionality. Second argument is more legal in nature,
> which is to say that current Indian standards only restrict testing with
> NVDA which we can work around.
>
>
> We need to prove to the Court that a comprehensive WCAG conformance is
> technology independent and irrespective of the technology that people use,
> a comprehensive conformance will ensure widest accessibility possible.
>
>
> Is there any document which backs-up this statement and is there any
> precedent where comprehensive audit has been asked by way of a court order?
>
>
> In nutshell, I need to convince the court that a comprehensive audit is
> the only way to go, and a comprehensive conformance to WCAG will not
> produce different results with different technologies in terms of
> accessibility.
>
>
> Your valuable inputs will be greatly appreciated before September 22.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Amar Jain
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Re: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws.

[Maruti Paramwad]

Ok,  thanks again!Sent from my iPhoneOn 14-Sep-2022, at 12:06 PM, Shek Mohammad Ali  wrote:It works charm with JAWS you do not have to use NVDA necessarily From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf Of Maruti ParamwadSent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 11:47 AMTo: accessindia@accessindia.org.inSubject: Re: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws. Hi,Thanks for the response! I will try what you suggested. I don’t have permission to use NVDA. That is not big issue. Thanks,MarutiSent from my iPhoneOn 14-Sep-2022, at 11:38 AM, Shek Mohammad Ali  wrote:Hi Maruti,Web version of Excel is not so user friendly with screen reader.If it is a small sheet, turn off virtual PC cursor if you are using JAWS and get in to focus mode on NVDA.Then you can navigate between rows and columns as you do on desktop version. but it will be bit sluggish.  If that sheet has larger data, better to download the sheet in to your computer and make the changes and copy them in to the master sheet. From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf Of Maruti ParamwadSent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 7:30 AMTo: accessindia@accessindia.org.inSubject: Re: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws. Someone shared excel with me. I want to edit that excel and send it back. If possible, please tell me both way.Sent from my iPhoneOn 13-Sep-2022, at 11:16 PM, Shek Mohammad Ali  wrote: Are you hosting the documents in the Sharepoint or wanna view the shared documents with you.What is your requirement. Get Outlook for iOSFrom: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  on behalf of Maruti Paramwad Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 11:11:55 PMTo: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws.   Sent from my iPhoneOn 13-Sep-2022, at 10:59 PM, Shek Mohammad Ali  wrote: Yes it is completely accessible. Get Outlook for iOSFrom: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  on behalf of Maruti Paramwad Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 10:58:10 PMTo: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws.  Hi friends,Greetings!As above subject says I want to know that in our group, anyone used Microsoft SharePoint if yes, then please tell me it is accessible or not. I want to use share point with jaws.Sent from my iPhone-- Disclaimer:1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity;2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..Search for old postings at:http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/C1BB66A6-A916-4D57-96E1-E3887C421456%40gmail.com.-- Disclaimer:1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..  Search for old postings at:http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/DM6PR19MB2297E7D99F713F93425B400AA9479%40DM6PR19MB2297.namprd19.prod.outlook.com. Ho how? can you explain little bit more.-- Disclaimer:1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..  Search for old postings at:http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/61ED9242-B958-4710-BB9B-2159334FF696%40gmail.com.-- Disclaimer:1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way 

Re: [AI] Smart vision glasses feedback?

[Ajay Minocha]

Thanks everyone for your inputs!
@Pranav: they are available in Dr. Shroff Charitable Eye Hospital
Daryaganj, Delhi.
I got to know about them during my recent eye checkup appointment.

Cheers,
Ajay

On 14/09/2022, 'PAUL   MUDDHA' via AccessIndia
 wrote:
> The smart glasses are not worth buying.
> AI in our mobile phone reads better and quick.
> I have given them the feedback as the team wanted to sponsor 40 such glasses
> to our students.
>
>
> DR. PAUL MUDDHA
> DIVISIONAL MANAGER
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> 2nd Cross, Gandhi Nagar Bangalore – 560009
> PH NO :080 22207594
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> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On
> Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay
> Sent: 13 September 2022 20:04
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] Smart vision glasses feedback?
>
> CAUTION: This email is originated from outside Canara Bank. Do not click any
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>
> Its not the worth of the price what they are asking.
>
> On 9/13/22, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
>> Hi Shankar,
>>
>> Thanks a lot for your honest feedback!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ajay
>>
>> On 12/09/2022, techsavi.shan...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>> Ajay,
>>> Had a chance to experience the glasses few days back and felt that
>>> product is not worth buying for personal usage.
>>> The device comes with 3 options like reading mode, face recognition
>>> and walking mode and the options are labelled using the braille.
>>> And the device must connected to the phone using the c type u s b all
>>> the time to interact with the glasses. Also The product comes with
>>> the mono audio and audio can be played through the phone but not from the
>>> glass.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
>>> On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha
>>> Sent: 11 September 2022 13:04
>>> To: accessindia 
>>> Subject: [AI] Smart vision glasses feedback?
>>>
>>> Hi accessindians,
>>>
>>> Keen to know if someone has got a chance to try the smart vision
>>> glasses by SGH?
>>> From the description, they sound like a product worth a serious try.
>>> Pls let me know your feedback.
>>> Also, happy to connect with any user off the list if possible.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ajay
>>>
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RE: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws.

[Shek Mohammad Ali]

It works charm with JAWS you do not have to use NVDA necessarily

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of Maruti Paramwad
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 11:47 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws.

 

Hi,

Thanks for the response! I will try what you suggested. I don’t have permission 
to use NVDA. That is not big issue.

 

Thanks,

Maruti

Sent from my iPhone





On 14-Sep-2022, at 11:38 AM, Shek Mohammad Ali mailto:shahid.se...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi Maruti,

Web version of Excel is not so user friendly with screen reader.

If it is a small sheet, turn off virtual PC cursor if you are using JAWS and 
get in to focus mode on NVDA.

Then you can navigate between rows and columns as you do on desktop version. 
but it will be bit sluggish.  If that sheet has larger data, better to download 
the sheet in to your computer and make the changes and copy them in to the 
master sheet.

 

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Behalf Of Maruti Paramwad
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 7:30 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  
Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws.

 

Someone shared excel with me. I want to edit that excel and send it back. If 
possible, please tell me both way.

Sent from my iPhone






On 13-Sep-2022, at 11:16 PM, Shek Mohammad Ali mailto:shahid.se...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Are you hosting the documents in the Sharepoint or wanna view the shared 
documents with you.

What is your requirement.

 

Get Outlook for iOS  

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Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws. 

 

 

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On 13-Sep-2022, at 10:59 PM, Shek Mohammad Ali mailto:shahid.se...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yes it is completely accessible.

 

Get Outlook for iOS  

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Subject: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws. 

 

Hi friends,

Greetings!
As above subject says I want to know that in our group, anyone used Microsoft 
SharePoint if yes, then please tell me it is accessible or not. I want to use 
share point with jaws.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws.

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Hi,Thanks for the response! I will try what you suggested. I don’t have permission to use NVDA. That is not big issue.Thanks,MarutiSent from my iPhoneOn 14-Sep-2022, at 11:38 AM, Shek Mohammad Ali  wrote:Hi Maruti,Web version of Excel is not so user friendly with screen reader.If it is a small sheet, turn off virtual PC cursor if you are using JAWS and get in to focus mode on NVDA.Then you can navigate between rows and columns as you do on desktop version. but it will be bit sluggish.  If that sheet has larger data, better to download the sheet in to your computer and make the changes and copy them in to the master sheet. From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf Of Maruti ParamwadSent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 7:30 AMTo: accessindia@accessindia.org.inSubject: Re: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws. Someone shared excel with me. I want to edit that excel and send it back. If possible, please tell me both way.Sent from my iPhoneOn 13-Sep-2022, at 11:16 PM, Shek Mohammad Ali  wrote: Are you hosting the documents in the Sharepoint or wanna view the shared documents with you.What is your requirement. Get Outlook for iOSFrom: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  on behalf of Maruti Paramwad Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 11:11:55 PMTo: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws.   Sent from my iPhoneOn 13-Sep-2022, at 10:59 PM, Shek Mohammad Ali  wrote: Yes it is completely accessible. Get Outlook for iOSFrom: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  on behalf of Maruti Paramwad Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 10:58:10 PMTo: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws.  Hi friends,Greetings!As above subject says I want to know that in our group, anyone used Microsoft SharePoint if yes, then please tell me it is accessible or not. I want to use share point with jaws.Sent from my iPhone-- Disclaimer:1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity;2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..Search for old postings at:http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/C1BB66A6-A916-4D57-96E1-E3887C421456%40gmail.com.-- Disclaimer:1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..  Search for old postings at:http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/DM6PR19MB2297E7D99F713F93425B400AA9479%40DM6PR19MB2297.namprd19.prod.outlook.com. Ho how? can you explain little bit more.-- Disclaimer:1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..  Search for old postings at:http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/61ED9242-B958-4710-BB9B-2159334FF696%40gmail.com.-- Disclaimer:1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..  Search for old postings at:http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to 

[AI] Comprehensive WCAG conformance leads to accessibility for all irrespective of the technology used-any statement to prove this legally?

[Amar Jain]

Dear all,

We have a case going on for inaccessibility of our tax submission 
portal. The vendor is Infosys, and the problem is that only those issues 
that we are highlighting are getting resolved and comprehensive audit is 
not being done due to commercial reasons.


Further, there seems to be hard coding for NVDA, as the portal is 
reasonably functional with NVDA and not with Jaws. The lack of audit is 
also leaving behind persons with other disabilities.


The argument of the vendor is that it is because of the architecture of 
the portal which is why NVDA will be the only screen reader which should 
be used for maximum functionality. Second argument is more legal in 
nature, which is to say that current Indian standards only restrict 
testing with NVDA which we can work around.


We need to prove to the Court that a comprehensive WCAG conformance is 
technology independent and irrespective of the technology that people 
use, a comprehensive conformance will ensure widest accessibility 
possible.


Is there any document which backs-up this statement and is there any 
precedent where comprehensive audit has been asked by way of a court 
order?


In nutshell, I need to convince the court that a comprehensive audit is 
the only way to go, and a comprehensive conformance to WCAG will not 
produce different results with different technologies in terms of 
accessibility.


Your valuable inputs will be greatly appreciated before September 22.

Regards,

Amar Jain

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Re: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws. . Inbox

[Maruti Paramwad]

Hello Rahul,Thanks for the reply! I agree with with you. As you said, it is accessible, please tell me how? Because i am not able to use with jaws.Sent from my iPhoneOn 14-Sep-2022, at 8:00 AM, Rahul Bhatia  wrote:Yes share point is accessible



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RE: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws.

[Shek Mohammad Ali]

Hi Maruti,

Web version of Excel is not so user friendly with screen reader.

If it is a small sheet, turn off virtual PC cursor if you are using JAWS and 
get in to focus mode on NVDA.

Then you can navigate between rows and columns as you do on desktop version. 
but it will be bit sluggish.  If that sheet has larger data, better to download 
the sheet in to your computer and make the changes and copy them in to the 
master sheet.

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of Maruti Paramwad
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 7:30 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws.

 

Someone shared excel with me. I want to edit that excel and send it back. If 
possible, please tell me both way.

Sent from my iPhone





On 13-Sep-2022, at 11:16 PM, Shek Mohammad Ali mailto:shahid.se...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Are you hosting the documents in the Sharepoint or wanna view the shared 
documents with you.

What is your requirement.

 

Get Outlook for iOS  

  _  

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To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in   
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Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding share point accessibility with jaws. 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On 13-Sep-2022, at 10:59 PM, Shek Mohammad Ali mailto:shahid.se...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yes it is completely accessible.

 

Get Outlook for iOS  

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Hi friends,

Greetings!
As above subject says I want to know that in our group, anyone used Microsoft 
SharePoint if yes, then please tell me it is accessible or not. I want to use 
share point with jaws.

Sent from my iPhone

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