RE: [AI] java access bridge

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Saravanan,
To subscribe to the programming list please send an email to 
program-l-requ...@freelists.org with subscribe as the subject. This should 
automatically subscribe you.

Eclipse is a very extensive IDE and it can add another level of complexity if 
you are just starting with it / Java. If that's the case, I would suggest to 
use Notepad++ for editing and command prompt for compiling to start with. Once 
you are comfortable with Java as a technology, you can explore Eclipse as well.

In any case you can find keyboard shortcuts for Eclipse on the following links.

https://edisciplinas.usp.br/pluginfile.php/3257857/mod_resource/content/1/atalhos_eclipse.pdf

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/8-keyboard-shortcuts-beginner-eclipse-ide-users/

For an extensive technology platform such as Java, self-study would be the best 
approach. Optionally you can consider joining an online course. I cannot give a 
first-hand recommendation for it though. I generally refer to online tutorials 
and Bookshare books for a more in-depth understanding. Bookshare has a rich 
collection on all technologies.

HTH.
Alok


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From: 'Saravanan K' via AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] 
Sent: 22 November 2021 04:07
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Subject: Re: [AI] java access bridge

Dear Alok,

I am interested in joining Program-L mailing list.
Please add myself to it. my mailID is k.saravanan.sa...@gmail.com.
My mobile number is 9916512402.
I am in need of using the eclipse IDe for use java.
Please provide me the shortcut keys for accessing them with out any hurdles.
I am also expecting the easy ways of using eclipse for creating java programs.
Please help myself in familiarizing in java also.

Thanks & regards.
Saravanan.K

On 11/22/21, Alok Kaushik  wrote:
> Hi Saravanan,
> Java access bridge is required to use any UI that's developed using Java.
> You can enable Java access bridge from Window's ease of access center. 
> You must have JDK installed before that.
>
> Eclipse is largely accessible and does not require JAB to be enabled. 
> I've not used PyCharm. If you are not already on Program-L mailing 
> list, I would suggest that you join it. You may get much more 
> first-hand information there.
>
> HTH.
> Alok
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: 18 November 2021 06:00
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> Subject: [AI] java access bridge
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> Dear Friends,
>
> I want to know the benefits of java access bridge.
> Please provide me the usage of it.
> how to install it.
> I am in need of the same.
> If anybody is having it Please share it to me.
> I want to access the eclipse for using java.
> And I also want to access pycharm to use python.
> Is  java access bridge is necessary to make the above 2 IDe accessible.
> Please throw the light on the same.
>
> regards.
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RE: [AI] java access bridge

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Saravanan,
Java access bridge is required to use any UI that's developed using Java. You 
can enable Java access bridge from Window's ease of access center. You must 
have JDK installed before that.

Eclipse is largely accessible and does not require JAB to be enabled. I've not 
used PyCharm. If you are not already on Program-L mailing list, I would suggest 
that you join it. You may get much more first-hand information there.

HTH.
Alok


-Original Message-
From: 'Saravanan K' via AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] 
Sent: 18 November 2021 06:00
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] java access bridge

Dear Friends,

I want to know the benefits of java access bridge.
Please provide me the usage of it.
how to install it.
I am in need of the same.
If anybody is having it Please share it to me.
I want to access the eclipse for using java.
And I also want to access pycharm to use python.
Is  java access bridge is necessary to make the above 2 IDe accessible.
Please throw the light on the same.

regards.
Saravanan.K

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RE: [AI] screen recorder and tips for recording

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Saurav,

One easy way to record your computer screen is to setup a Zoom meeting in which 
you are the only participant, start sharing and recording. If you want computer 
audio as well as your voice to be recorded, ensure that you choose the option 
to share the audio.

 

HTH

Alok

 

 

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Behalf Of Saurav Hegde
Sent: 11 August 2021 13:14
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Subject: [AI] screen recorder and tips for recording

 

Hello,

Are there softwares that you can use to record your screen.

eg- for making gaming tutorial?

Can you recommend some softwares?

Also, how do you go out making videos?

 

regards

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RE: [AI] MS Excel query - making column headers to be announced by the screen readers

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Vaibhav,

Here are the steps to set the first row as the header.

 

1.   Select the entire region containing the data on the spreadsheet. By 
default content of a spreadsheet is not technically a table.

2.   Format the selected region as a table. Go to Home tab -> Styles-> 
Format as table.

3.   Select a table format and check the checkbox ‘My table has header’. 
This will make the first row of the selected area as the header.

 

Hope this helps.

Alok

 

 

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Behalf Of Vaibhav Saraf
Sent: 07 June 2021 08:11
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] MS Excel query - making column headers to be announced by the 
screen readers

 

Hi Friends,

 

I have seen some excel sheets in the past which announce the row 1 content as 
column headers when you move between columns.


For example - If you move from cell B3 to C3, then the screen reader 
announcement will be the value of C3 + the column heading which is generally 
the content of C1.

 

I am not sure how to do this. Found a few directions on Google which do not 
work. Can anyone help me with the required process to set a cell as header?


Thanks,

Vaibhav

 

 

 

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RE: [AI] Issue with HDFC bank web portal

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Asif,
Yes, I have been experiencing some new accessibility challenges with HDFC net 
banking of late. I have been using it for many years now and have found the 
experience to be generally good until recently.

I was unable to read the values of the form fields. Only way I could read them 
was to get out of the forms mode and keep pressing 'f' to navigate through the 
form fields after entering the details.

I even faced an issue with the login processwhile entering the password. At 
times JAWS would not read '*' in the password field, which causes the confusion 
if it is being entered or if a character is being deleted with backspace. This 
did not happen consistently though.

Thanks.
Alok


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Subject: [AI] Issue with HDFC bank web portal

Dear all,
I am using JAWS 20 with Chrome and trying to navigate HDFC portal.
JAWS does not seem to speak
1. while trying to choose list of beneficiary during fund transfer.
2. Would not read the data point while adding beneficiary.
3. While using drop down for making selection; it is not reading.
Is anyone facing this problem. Request for solutions.
Thanks and regards
Asif

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Re: [AI] hdfc net banking

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Rahul,
Only other keystroke that I would like to mention is the f' key to move through 
all the form fields.

Some of the form fields are disabled and tab navigation does not take  the 
control to those fields. Getting out of forms mode and then  pressing f helps 
me go through the  other form fields. For  example, if you select a third party 
beneficiary, its account number and IFSC will not be read by tab navigation, or 
when you select an account its balance will not  be read.

There is no direct solution for CAPTCHA. Either  we need to use a third party 
plug-in or seek sighted help. It also depends on the complexity of the CAPTCHA. 
 Simple ones may be  solved using JAWS OCR or using Google's automatic image 
description option in Chrome.

However, I  have not tried OCR or Google's option on HDFC's CAPTCHA yet.

HTH.
Alok

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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
rahul agarwal
Sent: 18 December 2019 04:40
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] hdfc net banking

Hi Alok,
is there any key command for reading captcha?

On 12/18/19, rahul agarwal  wrote:
> thanks Alok. it is really interesting and helpful information.
> do you also use any other keyboard command other than 'shift + enter'?
>
> On 12/18/19, Alok Kaushik  wrote:
>> Hi Rahul,
>> I  have been  using HDFC net banking regularly. Most of their links 
>> such as log out, continue, etc. do not work by pressing enter. Press 
>> Shift+Enter on them and they will work. Do the same for  other links 
>> like Accounts, Funds Transfer, etc.
>>
>> In general Shift+Enter opens a link in a new window but in this case 
>> it still opens the link in the same window.
>>
>> Although you can use JAWS cursor, it is not necessary.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>> Alok
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>> Behalf Of Rahul agarwal
>> Sent: 17 December 2019 15:52
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>> concerning the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] hdfc net banking
>>
>> issues:
>> 1. after logged in, i won't able to log out by hitting enter on log 
>> out button.
>> 2. if I typed wrong password two times, new field is created for 
>> capcha but there is not audio description given.
>> 3. when I try to transfer money from my account to another account, 
>> the entire process does not work properly like continue button does 
>> not work by hitting the enter on it and others.
>> 4. there are some menu and sub menu are given on the top of the page.
>> it does not open by pressing enter. I also tried to navigate on this 
>> platform with jaws mouse cursor but nothing work out.
>>
>>
>> On 12/17/19, Sameer  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, Rahul,
>>>
>>> What are the problems faced by you in using HDFC Bank netbanking 
>>> with JAWS?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Mr. Sameer Latey
>>> Mumbai, India
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 6:24 PM
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>>> Subject: [AI] hdfc net banking
>>>
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>>> i am a user of HDFC netbanking but it is not very much accessible 
>>> with Jaws. if you are using the same platform, please let me know- 
>>> what do I do to rectify it?
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Re: [AI] hdfc net banking

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Rahul,
I  have been  using HDFC net banking regularly. Most of their links such as log 
out, continue, etc. do not work by pressing enter. Press Shift+Enter on them 
and they will work. Do the same for  other links like Accounts, Funds Transfer, 
etc.

In general Shift+Enter opens a link in a new window but in this case it still 
opens the link in the same window.

Although you can use JAWS cursor, it is not necessary.

Hope that helps.
Alok

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Sent: 17 December 2019 15:52
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] hdfc net banking

issues:
1. after logged in, i won't able to log out by hitting enter on log out button.
2. if I typed wrong password two times, new field is created for capcha but 
there is not audio description given.
3. when I try to transfer money from my account to another account, the entire 
process does not work properly like continue button does not work by hitting 
the enter on it and others.
4. there are some menu and sub menu are given on the top of the page.
it does not open by pressing enter. I also tried to navigate on this platform 
with jaws mouse cursor but nothing work out.


On 12/17/19, Sameer  wrote:
>
> Hi, Rahul,
>
> What are the problems faced by you in using HDFC Bank netbanking with JAWS?
>
> Regards
> Mr. Sameer Latey
> Mumbai, India
> -Original Message-
> From: rahul agarwal
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 6:24 PM
> To: accessindia
> Subject: [AI] hdfc net banking
>
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> i am a user of HDFC netbanking but it is not very much accessible with 
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> I do to rectify it?
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Re: [AI] screen reader help for eclipse for Java

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Saravanan,
Eclipse is accessible  for screen readers. I  have tried it  using JAWS and was 
able to navigate around the IDE without any problem. Eclipse has many 
perspectives, so it may take some time to get familiar. Accessibility is not a 
challenge though.

Commonly used  keyboard shortcuts for Eclipse:
https://dzone.com/articles/top-30-eclipse-keyboard-shortcuts-for-java-program-1


Bookshare  has lots of technology related books.

HTH.
Alok

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Sent: 24 September 2019 11:22
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disabled.
Subject: [AI] screen reader help for eclipse for Java

Dear Friends,

Many of our friends are familiar in using eclipse for java.
How much eclipse IDE is accessible for VI persons.
Which screen reader that is, either NVDA or jaws is well compatible for using 
it. I request you to provide the shortcut keys for working with it. I am also 
expecting the guidance for java with eclipse from your side. I am also in need 
of some good java books in audio or text format for my reference. Waiting for 
your valuable response with anticipation.
Thanks in advance
Saravanan.K
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Re: [AI] screen reader for Line OX regs.

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi,
If you have Windows 10, you do not have Linux but you have SSH client to 
connect to a Linux machine.

It would be more helpful for you if you could read on the internet to 
familiarize yourself with some basic concepts. Others may be able to help you 
in specific cases but even to get something worthwhile out of those responses 
you will need to do sufficient groundwork beforehand.

For now I will just mention that there is nothing to be apprehensive about from 
the point of view of accessibility.

Alok


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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
sampath raj rao
Sent: 14 September 2019 14:48
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Subject: Re: [AI] screen reader for Line OX regs.

Hi sir,
Thankx for your reply...
I know neither head nor tail about Linux. The only thing I know about Linux is 
it is an OS.
My personal laptop is running windows 10, so do I have linux already in my 
machine to work on it?
What is the concept of user name and host name?
and ofcourse why VM required? can't it be installed in my own laptop and used?

It would be great if you could provide me your contact to clarify my doubts 
along with me googling things...

Thanking you,



On 9/14/19, Alok Kaushik  wrote:
> Hi,
> In  most cases you will need to connect to the Linux machine from your 
> Windows based computer. Typically a SSH cliennt is used forr this purpose.
> Windows 10 has a built in  SSH client, which could be  run using the 
> standard command prommpt. Its accessibility is same as the 
> accessibility of the command prompt.
>
> If you are using Windows 10, open the command prompt and type ssh 
> followed by userName"@hostName. If you are using older version of  
> Windows or any other OS, you will need to use SSH clients like PuTTY.
>
> If you are required to woork on a Linux VM  directly, ORCA  screen 
> reader is available as part of some of the Linux operating systems 
> such as Ubentu, Solaris, Fedora, etc. On others it will need to be installed 
> separately.
> However, if you can use a SSH client, working directly on the Linux VM 
> may not be necessary.
>
> HTH.
> Alok
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of sampath raj rao
> Sent: 13 September 2019 14:41
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> concerning the disabled.
> Subject: [AI] screen reader for Linex OX regs.
>
> Hi Greetings of the day...
> In my workplace they have installed systems with linex os and we are 
> suppose to work on it.
> I have no hands on any other os other than Winows.
> So I am here with some queries:
>> Is it accessable?
>> What screen reader software is most suitable to use?
>> How is its interface?
>> Is there anyone using it with ease? if so can you provide me your 
>> mail id or contacts to get a clear picture on it...?
>
> Thanking you,
>
> yours,
> Sampath Raj Rao.
>
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Re: [AI] screen reader for Line OX regs.

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi,
In  most cases you will need to connect to the Linux machine from your Windows 
based computer. Typically a SSH cliennt is used forr this purpose. Windows 10 
has a built in  SSH client, which could be  run using the standard command 
prommpt. Its accessibility is same as the accessibility of the command prompt.

If you are using Windows 10, open the command prompt and type ssh followed by 
userName"@hostName. If you are using older version of  Windows or any other OS, 
you will need to use SSH clients like PuTTY.

If you are required to woork on a Linux VM  directly, ORCA  screen reader is 
available as part of some of the Linux operating systems such as Ubentu, 
Solaris, Fedora, etc. On others it will need to be installed separately. 
However, if you can use a SSH client, working directly on the Linux VM may  not 
be necessary.

HTH.
Alok

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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
sampath raj rao
Sent: 13 September 2019 14:41
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: [AI] screen reader for Linex OX regs.

Hi Greetings of the day...
In my workplace they have installed systems with linex os and we are suppose to 
work on it.
I have no hands on any other os other than Winows.
So I am here with some queries:
> Is it accessable?
> What screen reader software is most suitable to use?
> How is its interface?
> Is there anyone using it with ease? if so can you provide me your mail id or 
> contacts to get a clear picture on it...?

Thanking you,

yours,
Sampath Raj Rao.



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Re: [AI] Registration of Apartment at Noida

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi,
Thumb impression can  be used for  this purpose.  Additionally, if you are not 
already aware, U.P. government  has a G.O. that allows significant reduction in 
stamp duty for property registration for persons  with disability.

I have uploaded  the copies of the GO on dropbox for your reference.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lbf8yswjroi3po7/AACgUtbn7Y6L54sSb2bx4qi3a?dl=0

Hope this  helps.
Alok


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Singhal, Vivek (?, ?)
Sent: 24 August 2019 15:49
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Registration of Apartment at Noida

Dear List Members,
Good evening, I would seek the advice of group members of an issue.
I had purchased an apartment in Noida some years ago.  The apartment has been 
purchased jointly with my wife. Now, the process of flat registration is about 
to begin.  The registration process involves signing multiple documents etc. 
Being a VI, my signature is never matching.
I would request learned members to guide how to go about it.


Regards,
Vivek Singhal,






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Re: [AI] Tutorials for windows 10

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi,
Please have a look at 
https://support.freedomscientific.com/Services/TrainingAndCertification/WebinarDetail/F0116.

HTH.
Alok


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Arvind Bhartiya
Sent: 09 April 2019 15:27
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Subject: [AI] Tutorials for windows 10

Hi guys,
A  beginner  needs to learn using the pc with windows 10 and jaws.
Some tutorials giving step by step learning will be of great help.

Please provide guidance and resources.
Thanks
Arvind Bhartiya


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Re: [AI] java & scala tutorial

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Saravanan,
Bookshare has a good collection of technology books. I use it regularly. 
Internet is  full of tutorials and quick start articles. Is there any  reason 
for requiring audio format? It is not at all suitable for code related content.

Thanks.
Alok


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Sent: 12 March 2019 05:22
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Subject: [AI] java & scala tutorial

Dear friends,
Is there any audio meterial or guide for learning java 8 and scala programming.
If so, please intimate me.
I am urgently in need of them.

Thanks
Saravanan.K
+91 9916512402


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Re: [AI] Interview Featuring Isaac Lidsky, First Blind Law Clerk To Serve on the US Supreme Court

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Hi Rahul,
Thanks for sharing this. Thoughts and experiences in this interview have been 
put forward with an exemplary maturity and  clear-headedness. This is what all 
of us need to hear and hopefully find the direction and clarity about our own 
thoughts and perspectives.

Thanks.
Alok

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Rahul Bajaj
Sent: 31 July 2018 20:55
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Interview Featuring Isaac Lidsky, First Blind Law Clerk To Serve 
on the US Supreme Court

Hi Everyone,

I recently had the great honour of co-interviewing Mr. Lidsky:
https://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-xvi-with-isaac-lidsky/

I trust many of you will find the interview very interesting.

Best,
Rahul




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Re: [AI] Efforts towards matrimonial pursuit for blind; Suggestions invited

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Hi Vamshi,
Here is  my take on this subject. These views are in a wider  context and not 
specific to any individual. You' in this mail refers to everyone thinking about 
this and not just you.

You need to ask yourself some basic questions.

1. What is your reason for getting married? Is this reason strong enough to  
provide the basis of a good  relationship?
Many blind people are looking for sighted partners. While this may bring some 
practical convenience for one person, it does not form a strong basis for a  
healthy marital relationship. Marriages are bound to go through their phases 
over a period of time, and preparing oneself to be dependent on one person is a 
recipe for disaster.

2. What is it that  you will bring to the relationship?
Most of us have an idea about what kind of person we are looking for and how we 
would like them to be involved in our lives, but have we given enough thought 
about what we would be adding to  the relationship? Does that  makes the 
relationship more balanced?

3. If we are primarily looking for a companionship for long term, are these 
channels of bringing unknown people together good enough sources to ensure that 
you will get the companionship that you are looking for?
Best would be to increase your sphere of interaction and observe what naturally 
evolves and appeals. And if someone appeals, have the courage to express that, 
even if it is at the cost of risking the relationship.

Marriage and job have a lot of similarities. Some organizations may have a bias 
against hiring people with disability while others may have better inclusion 
and diversity policy. Even though 10 options may not work out, at the end of it 
you need just one job, and likewise you need just one good relationship to 
carry on. There are employers who hire disabled people and then do not use them 
to be an equally participating and productive individuals. There could be a 
similar situation in a marriage, and that is definitely not a desirable one.

We overly emphasize on our disability. There are many other aspects in a person 
that could make a person appealing enough to someone who is  able to  recognize 
and value them. After a while disability becomes less important and how you are 
as a person becomes fundamental.

While social sensitization is  essential, it is a long drawn approach, and may 
or may not result in a significant transformation during the  timeframe that 
you may be interested in. So far we have not even been able to  convince people 
within the visually impaired community that  it is alright to marry a person 
with disability, even though they may  have seen two individuals with 
disability leading a reasonably decent married life.

While we can intend to bring about a change in the world, actually we cannot 
change anyone other than ourselves.

Thanks.
Alok

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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Vamshi. G
Sent: 07 July 2018 08:13
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] Efforts towards matrimonial pursuit for blind; Suggestions invited

Dear friends,


I, as someone gradually loosing vision, have been in pursuit of a girl for 
marriage for the past few years.  But as everyone knows, blindness presents its 
own obvious limitations and societal misperceptions due to which it becomes 
difficult to find success.

  I found success on Access India for many issues like coping with blindness, 
technology, legal provisions, independent living etc. Now, I would like to 
invite suggestions from my dear Access Indian friends on this issue.

The following are the channels available :

1.  Traditional channels like marriage fairs, matrimonial sites, etc.

2.  Special on line channels like ability matrimony, Inclov, etc.

3.  Special get togethers organised by Inclov, Radio Udaan, voice vision, etc.

4.  References from close circles, especially from those associated with blind 
friends.

I already contacted some of my  friends on Access India who are helping me out. 
 And I found this channel to be most fruitful as they are more empathetic 
towards fellow blind friend.  Now, I would like to invite suggestions from 
members of this forum on this issue.  Please share your experiences, strategies 
you have adopted, any new ideas, etc.

Please feel free to write on the forum as it would help others like me.  But if 
you have something to discuss privately, write/call me on the contact details 
provided in the signature line.

As they say,  "An idea can change your life".  Hoping for such life changing 
ideas!(smile)


--
G. Vamshi
Mobile: +91 9949349497
Skype: gvamshi81

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Re: [AI] SBI insists on bringing witness for cash withdrawal

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Amar,
Can details  provided in the following links be useful for a more generic 
solution? On the first look at it, it appears promising to me. While Aadhar 
enabled payment systems are being backed by the government, I wonder if it 
would violate any law.

Cash at SBI
https://www.sbi.co.in/portal/web/home/cash-at-sbi 

This link on SBIs official website mentions the following.

"To add to your convenience, the CSPs also offer Aadhar Enabled Payment System 
(AEPS) using which you can withdraw cash by providing your Aadhar number and 
fingerprint from your Aadhar-seeded account held in any participating bank."

Here are some other relevant references related  to Aadhar enabled payment 
systems.

Digital push: SBI to acquire 6 lakh fingerprint scanners 
https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/money-and-banking/digital-push-sbi-to-acquire-6-lakh-fingerprint-scanners/article9737613.ece
 

Centre pushes for fingerprint money transactions through Aadhar Pay
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/centre-pushes-for-fingerprint-money-transactions-through-aadhaar-pay/articleshow/56724517.cms

Thanks.
Alok


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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Amar Jain
Sent: 04 July 2018 15:20
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] SBI insists on bringing witness for cash withdrawal

Alok,

The branch may be in trouble during audit and inspection. The UIDAI allows 
Aadhar KYC for very specific purposes currently.

Regards,
Amar Jain

Sent from my iPhone

> On 04-Jul-2018, at 3:10 PM, Alok Kaushik  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I am aware  of cases in which SBI has  verified customers identity by digital 
> matching of the thumb impression from Aadhar biometric database. They were 
> making an issue about signature mismatch in case of a legally blind person 
> but eventually completed  the transaction without any problem with this 
> approach.
> 
> Thanks.
> Alok
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Amar Jain
> Sent: 04 July 2018 14:44
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] SBI insists on bringing witness for cash withdrawal
> 
> Witness is generally insisted upon. And because its a non-home branch, they 
> are also not able to verify thumb impression as the image is with the home 
> branch.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 04-Jul-2018, at 1:58 PM, bhawani shankar verma  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't know SBI rules. but, in my bank no payment is allowed on 
>> withdrawal form other than its sol branch. even in sol branch one can not 
>> withdraw more than Rs.5/- secondly, on thumb impression, one or two 
>> witnesses are required for withdrawing money on thumb impression. the 
>> witness should preferably be customer of the bank or know to the bank.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Lyngdoh
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 1:46 PM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: [AI] SBI insists on bringing witness for cash withdrawal
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Is it fair that SBI keeps on insisting that my friend should take 
>> along with him a sighted partner for cash withdraw using passbook?
>> Or is there anything that I can tell him to tell SBI to allow him 
>> withdraw his money without sighted partner? Anyways he does not have 
>> one, so he is unable to withdraw it even if it is urgent for him.
>> And he does not have ATM card nor cheque too and he is not in his 
>> home branch right now. So passbook is his only option.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
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Re: [AI] SBI insists on bringing witness for cash withdrawal

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi,
I am aware  of cases in which SBI has  verified customers identity by digital 
matching of the thumb impression from Aadhar biometric database. They were 
making an issue about signature mismatch in case of a legally blind person but 
eventually completed  the transaction without any problem with this approach.

Thanks.
Alok



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Sent: 04 July 2018 14:44
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
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Subject: Re: [AI] SBI insists on bringing witness for cash withdrawal

Witness is generally insisted upon. And because its a non-home branch, they are 
also not able to verify thumb impression as the image is with the home branch.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 04-Jul-2018, at 1:58 PM, bhawani shankar verma  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't know SBI rules. but, in my bank no payment is allowed on 
> withdrawal form other than its sol branch. even in sol branch one can not 
> withdraw more than Rs.5/- secondly, on thumb impression, one or two 
> witnesses are required for withdrawing money on thumb impression. the witness 
> should preferably be customer of the bank or know to the bank.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Lyngdoh
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 1:46 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
> the disabled.
> Subject: [AI] SBI insists on bringing witness for cash withdrawal
> 
> Hi
> 
> Is it fair that SBI keeps on insisting that my friend should take 
> along with him a sighted partner for cash withdraw using passbook?
> Or is there anything that I can tell him to tell SBI to allow him 
> withdraw his money without sighted partner? Anyways he does not have 
> one, so he is unable to withdraw it even if it is urgent for him.
> And he does not have ATM card nor cheque too and he is not in his home 
> branch right now. So passbook is his only option.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Believe in WORK not in LUCK! & Most of all, trust in God but don't be 
> dependent on Him.
> ---
> Thanks,
> Cornelius Lyngdoh.
> 
> 
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Re: [AI] HDFC Bank customers: list your challenges by this weekend

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Amar,
Thanks for  the  details. Will try it  out.

Just one more thought about talking ATMs based on Braille debit cards. This 
limits accessibility of ATMs to selected HDFC Bank customers only. Whereas, in 
a more general approach, in which accessibility mode is activated by plugging 
in the earphones, it becomes accessible to any user, be he/ she from any bank.

Thanks.
Alok


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Amar Jain
Sent: 22 June 2018 08:22
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] HDFC Bank customers: list your challenges by this weekend

Hi Alok,

Some of what you are saying needs to be fought.

Even if you use signature, why don’t you submit a form for Braille enabled 
debit card? I have for instance a JP World debit card and a Braille enabled 
debit card.

I can only tell you that I won’t let them put any nonsensical restriction on 
your account. To add to your comfort, write to:

aditya.p...@hdfcbank.com;
kmistry@hdfcbank.com

Copy me. And say that you are told of these issues and you want both cards. It 
will solve your problem. While applying, in the product code, use MDVI1.

Remember to keep both cards active from limits and international perspective.

Regards,
Amar Jain

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22-Jun-2018, at 6:18 AM, Alok Kaushik  wrote:
> 
> Hi Amar,
> I have not yet got their Braille debit card. If you  are aware, can you let 
> me know about the following points.
> 
> 1. Can Braille enabled card be  used whether  we have signature or thumb 
> impression in the  account details? I was told  that if I use thumb 
> impression, I will be restricted  to use banking from my  home branch and not 
> from any other branch.
> 2. Does  this  put any restriction or reluctance on part of the bank to 
> extend all the banking services?
> 3. Does Braille debit card help in any  kind of verification at the branch, 
> and avoid issues related to signature mismatch?
> 
> Thanks.
> Alok
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Amar Jain
> Sent: 21 June 2018 22:53
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] HDFC Bank customers: list your challenges by this 
> weekend
> 
> Noted Alok. Have you got yourself their braille enabled debit card? HDFC has 
> many, but it only works with those cards.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Regards,
> Amar Jain
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 21-Jun-2018, at 8:33 PM, Alok Kaushik  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi  Amar,
>> When we try to download historical statements, i.e. any statement older than 
>> six months, it asks for a captcha text to be entered. This captcha does not 
>> have any audio option as well. Of course this feature is reached after 
>> login, so need for a captcha at that stage does not sound very logical. I 
>> have been using HDFC net  banking for many years now and this post-login 
>> captcha was not there earlier.
>> 
>> When we try to view tax credit statement through net banking, it asks for 
>> captcha text to be entered. This is also after login, so not very logical. 
>> Also, once the user is redirected to  traces website, there is one more 
>> captcha to deal with anyway.
>> 
>> Another  issue that comes  up at times when I visit the branch is that in 
>> case of signature mismatch they say that their system does not display the 
>> photograph of the account holder, so it is difficult for them to verify. 
>> This  is the case when people at the branch know me well enough. They 
>> eventually do the work after some persuasion but the need to persuade 
>> frequently is anyway there. If their system does not display the photograph 
>> of the account holder, it is worth considering  having it there. This is 
>> based on the information provided by a branch official.
>> 
>> More and  more ATMs are now becoming talking ATMs. I  have noticed that many 
>> SBI, ICICI, and other bank ATMs have become widely accessible. However, HDFC 
>> Bank seems to be lagging on that front.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> Alok
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>> Behalf Of Amar Jain
>> Sent: 21 June 2018 19:21
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: [AI] HDFC Bank customers: list your challenges by this 
>> weekend
>> 
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> I have a meeting early next week with senior people of the bank. List down 
>> all specific challenges attached to disabilities vs. p

Re: [AI] HDFC Bank customers: list your challenges by this weekend

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Amar,
I have not yet got their Braille debit card. If you  are aware, can you let me 
know about the following points.

1. Can Braille enabled card be  used whether  we have signature or thumb 
impression in the  account details? I was told  that if I use thumb impression, 
I will be restricted  to use banking from my  home branch and not from any 
other branch.
2. Does  this  put any restriction or reluctance on part of the bank to extend 
all the banking services?
3. Does Braille debit card help in any  kind of verification at the branch, and 
avoid issues related to signature mismatch?

Thanks.
Alok


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Amar Jain
Sent: 21 June 2018 22:53
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] HDFC Bank customers: list your challenges by this weekend

Noted Alok. Have you got yourself their braille enabled debit card? HDFC has 
many, but it only works with those cards.

Thank you.

Regards,
Amar Jain

Sent from my iPhone

> On 21-Jun-2018, at 8:33 PM, Alok Kaushik  wrote:
> 
> Hi  Amar,
> When we try to download historical statements, i.e. any statement older than 
> six months, it asks for a captcha text to be entered. This captcha does not 
> have any audio option as well. Of course this feature is reached after login, 
> so need for a captcha at that stage does not sound very logical. I have been 
> using HDFC net  banking for many years now and this post-login captcha was 
> not there earlier.
> 
> When we try to view tax credit statement through net banking, it asks for 
> captcha text to be entered. This is also after login, so not very logical. 
> Also, once the user is redirected to  traces website, there is one more 
> captcha to deal with anyway.
> 
> Another  issue that comes  up at times when I visit the branch is that in 
> case of signature mismatch they say that their system does not display the 
> photograph of the account holder, so it is difficult for them to verify. This 
>  is the case when people at the branch know me well enough. They eventually 
> do the work after some persuasion but the need to persuade frequently is 
> anyway there. If their system does not display the photograph of the account 
> holder, it is worth considering  having it there. This is based on the 
> information provided by a branch official.
> 
> More and  more ATMs are now becoming talking ATMs. I  have noticed that many 
> SBI, ICICI, and other bank ATMs have become widely accessible. However, HDFC 
> Bank seems to be lagging on that front.
> 
> Thanks.
> Alok
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Amar Jain
> Sent: 21 June 2018 19:21
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: [AI] HDFC Bank customers: list your challenges by this 
> weekend
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I have a meeting early next week with senior people of the bank. List down 
> all specific challenges attached to disabilities vs. products and services of 
> the bank. This needs to happen by Sunday.
> 
> Regards,
> Amar Jain
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AI] HDFC Bank customers: list your challenges by this weekend

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi  Amar,
When we try to download historical statements, i.e. any statement older than 
six months, it asks for a captcha text to be entered. This captcha does not 
have any audio option as well. Of course this feature is reached after login, 
so need for a captcha at that stage does not sound very logical. I have been 
using HDFC net  banking for many years now and this post-login captcha was not 
there earlier.

When we try to view tax credit statement through net banking, it asks for 
captcha text to be entered. This is also after login, so not very logical. 
Also, once the user is redirected to  traces website, there is one more captcha 
to deal with anyway.

Another  issue that comes  up at times when I visit the branch is that in case 
of signature mismatch they say that their system does not display the 
photograph of the account holder, so it is difficult for them to verify. This  
is the case when people at the branch know me well enough. They eventually do 
the work after some persuasion but the need to persuade frequently is anyway 
there. If their system does not display the photograph of the account holder, 
it is worth considering  having it there. This is based on the information 
provided by a branch official.

More and  more ATMs are now becoming talking ATMs. I  have noticed that many 
SBI, ICICI, and other bank ATMs have become widely accessible. However, HDFC 
Bank seems to be lagging on that front.

Thanks.
Alok

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Amar Jain
Sent: 21 June 2018 19:21
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] HDFC Bank customers: list your challenges by this weekend

Dear All,

I have a meeting early next week with senior people of the bank. List down all 
specific challenges attached to disabilities vs. products and services of the 
bank. This needs to happen by Sunday.

Regards,
Amar Jain

Sent from my iPhone




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Re: [AI] Deification of the disabled in the media

[Alok Kaushik]

This is not at all about Ashish or his opinion. This is about how the main 
person running a national channel presents about a subject  and how that 
presentation could be made better or more useful to others with disability or 
make  society more aware in general and how more such examples can find their 
path.

We generally appreciate interviews in which the interviewer is  well aware 
about the subject matter and is able to make the interview really relevant in 
the context. This discussion is aimed at that.


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Avichal Bhatnagar
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 6:31 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Deification of the disabled in the media

Well, I completely disagree with this.
If Ashish doesn't find anything wrong in the way his interview was conducted, 
then who are we to impose our viewpoint on him?
Its high time that we stop poking our noses unnecessarily in every affair.

On 1/29/18, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for your thoughtful responses, everyone. I did engage with 
> Ashish on this issue on Twitter, and our conversation can be found
> here: https://twitter.com/Rahul400/with_replies
> His handle is InsaneOdyssey.
>
> To his credit, he did appreciate my viewpoint but was of the view that 
> all accomplishments should be celebrated, by the able-bodied or the 
> disabled. With respect, I think that did not address the central point 
> that I was trying to make.
>
> Based on Alok's suggestion, I think we should write an open letter to 
> Arnab and get it published on a platform like the Wire or Scroll. I am 
> happy to craft it and share it with others who concur with the 
> sentiment that I have voiced here. I think these principles are 
> important and ought to be voiced, irrespective of how many people read 
> them. Does this make sense?
>
> Best,
> Rahul
>
> On 29/01/2018, wheelchairman.nlc <wheelchairman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Please clarify whether SC/SC or OBC fall under state list or 
>> concurrent list.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>  Original message From: avinash shahi 
>> <shahi88avin...@gmail.com> Date: 29/01/2018  15:33  (GMT+05:30) To:
>> "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>> concerning the disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Subject: 
>> Re: [AI] Deification of the disabled in the media This discussion 
>> reminds me of the late Stella Young who put is so bluntly that 
>> disabled people are presented as 'inspiration porn' by the media. In 
>> India our Prime Minister himself is hellbent in bestowing divinity to 
>> our ordinary and mortal lives. For those interested who have joined 
>> the group lately or have missed reading it earlier, can find time to 
>> read my write up written over the divinity issue which was appeared 
>> in the Tribune. "Deifying people with disabilities a cruel joke"
>> http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comment/deifying-people-with-disabil
>> ities-a-cruel-joke/181902.html
>> Best
>>
>>
>> On 1/29/18, Alok Kaushik <alok.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Rahul, Dinesh  and Payal  have  already put  down the essence of 
>>> this discussion. While we  can keep putting down our views amongst  
>>> ourselves, it would  be better  if they are heard  by those  who 
>>> perpetuate these stereotypes. Would  it  be good idea to collect 
>>> more  views  on this thread, collate  them in form of an article, 
>>> and send it to Arnab Goswami.
>>> Ideally it  would be best if Ashish sends it, but  I am not sure if  
>>> he would  be  willing to  do it. If anyone  on this  list interacts  
>>> with him at a personal level, he / she  can possibly  convey this  
>>> to him.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Alok
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>>> Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal
>>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 10:05 AM
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>>> concerning the disabled.'
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Deification of the disabled in the media
>>>
>>> Thanks for starting conversation on an important topic.
>>>
>>> The way media houses distort and push people around is well-known. I 
>>> think that Arnab Goswami would not have allowed Ashish to say what 
>>> he might have wanted to

Re: [AI] Deification of the disabled in the media

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi,
Rahul, Dinesh  and Payal  have  already put  down the essence of this 
discussion. While we  can keep putting down our views amongst  ourselves, it 
would  be better  if they are heard  by those  who perpetuate these 
stereotypes. Would  it  be good idea to collect more  views  on this  thread, 
collate  them in form of an article, and send it to Arnab Goswami. Ideally it  
would be best if Ashish sends it, but  I am not sure if  he would  be  willing 
to  do it. If anyone  on this  list interacts  with him at a personal level, he 
/ she  can possibly  convey this  to him.

Thanks.
Alok


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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Dinesh Kaushal
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 10:05 AM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Deification of the disabled in the media

Thanks for starting conversation on an important topic.

The way media houses distort and push people around is well-known. I think that 
Arnab Goswami would not have allowed Ashish to say what he might have wanted to 
say.

It was evident from the way Arnab constantly kept saying that I want people to 
get inspired. So he might have not allowed him to talk about role of assistive 
technology. The reason that Arnab might have not allowed that description is 
that the fact that technology could help people with blindness would not make 
him look so super human.

Even then, I feel that we have missed a great opportunity to bring awareness 
about how assistive technology could help millions. As Rahul said, This 
instance highlights that we should not help in perpetuating these harmful 
stereotypes. I also suggest that we need to be vigilant about our 
responsibility of making people aware about how technology has made so many 
things possible. Granted that it has become part of our lives so much that we 
may not realize that for people who have no exposure to these technologies, 
this could be the difference in making us look super human vs people using 
specialized tool that anyone could learn.

For those who might want to be seen as amazing people, even though when we show 
people how technology helps us to do regular stuff, people think we are so 
inspirational!



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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 9:58 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Deification of the disabled in the media

Hi everyone,

I hope this message finds you well. I recently came across Ashish Goyal's 
interview to Arnab Goswami on Republic TV that was conducted on Republic
Day:
http://www.republicworld.com/s/20590/meet-the-first-visually-impaired-person
-to-attend-wharton-business-school 

At the outset, I think what Mr. Goyal has achieved is truly commendable and 
worthy of appreciation. Despite the odds being heavily stacked against him, he 
has overcome challenges that most would have considered insurmountable.
However, I was somewhat troubled by the manner in which Mr. Goswami sought to 
construct his narrative. More specifically, he called Mr. Goyal an inspiration 
multiple times and framed his questions in such a way that they made Mr. Goyal 
appear superhuman. For instance, the interviewers considered him an expert on 
overcoming obstacles as a student merely on the ground that he has been able to 
accomplish so much despite his disability. This got me thinking about whether 
the deification of the disabled in this fashion is a healthy phenomenon. 
Doesn't it help perpetuate their otherization and alienation which we work so 
hard to break down? Also, I wonder if we, as disabled interviewees, have an 
obligation to actively engage with interviewers to ensure that we are not 
helping perpetuate these harmful stereotypes.

To be clear, I don't have anything against Mr. Goyal personally. Indeed, I 
confess to being all too willing to be made the subject matter of news stories 
like these. I do think that such stories serve the valuable purpose of driving 
home the point that, with access to opportunities and resources, there is 
nothing that the disabled cannot achieve. However, at the same time, I am 
wondering if this object can be attained without  us being complicit in 
reinforcing harmful stereotypes.

Best,
Rahul 


 

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Re: [AI] Anyone tried the buzz clip?

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi,
Abhinav Verma, creator of live braille, was  arrested after  being caught 
printing fake currency notes after demonitization was announced. Have a look at 
the following link.

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/e23JgmwMm1o2czjtYKdhVP/The-rise-and-fall-of-Abhinav-Verma.html

Thanks.
Alok



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Aruni Sharma
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:43 AM
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disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Anyone tried the buzz clip?

Hi, There are couple of other devices which have been under development. 1.
live braille from chandigarh which was demostrated at the Blind Relief 
Association in June last year. 2. seeing eye developed by innovation-hub 
banglore. it has been tested by some NGO in banglore. Can someone throw more 
light on these.

Thanks and regards,
Dr. Aruni Sharma.
Associate Professor, Dept. of Political Science, JNPG College, Lucknow, India.
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Re: [AI] Seeing AI, a must app for iPhone

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi All,
This app is absolutely wonderful. Just wanted to add a couple of  observations 
about the usage of this app.

1. The device became very hot while using the app and the battery drained out 
quite quickly. One of the reasons of that is the default setting of flash 
usage. If you  use it in an ambience that is not brightly lit, the flash will 
remain on for the entire duration of the use of the app. This observation is  
more relevant for people with extremely low vision or total blindness. Also, 
since the flash is  on the back side of the phone it may not be very obvious to 
detect that  it is on for some people. I kept on exploring the app and  then 
accidentally realized that flash was on constantly. Flash usage  option  is  
under settings.
2. After  using the app for some time I observed that other apps became much 
slower. For example, youtube videos were taking much longer to load or app 
store searches were timing out. Restarting the phone resolved it.

Needless to  say that  this is the best tool that  we have in our hand on this 
day.

Thanks.
Alok

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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Prashant Ranjan Verma 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 9:27 AM
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disabled.'
Subject: [AI] Seeing AI, a must app for iPhone

Dear all,
If you have an iPhone then you must install this free app from Microsoft. It is 
an amazing development  and the future seems very promising.
In particular the Short Text channel inside the  app is amazing. Just keep 
moving your camera over objects and hear the text. For example, move it over 
your debit cards, food packets, bills etc and you will be amazed to see how 
much it reads quickly and with good  accuracy. 
Demo videos and tutorials: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/seeing-ai/
and the link to app store is:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/seeing-ai-talking-camera-for-the-blind/id999
062298?mt=8
Here is an article on AppleVis:
https://www.applevis.com/apps/ios/utilities/seeing-ai-talking-camera-blind 

Hope it is made available for Android soon. I am trying to get hold of a head 
mounted camera for it or may be a head or chest harness  for the iphone to take 
full advantage.

Prashant 


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Pavan Kumar Bolar
Sent: 14 July 2017 22:20
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Subject: [AI] JAWS not working with acer desktops

Dear all

I am facing multiple problems with Jaws 17 in Windows 10 on Acer desktops .for 
example in MS Word Jawsis not reading the the numbers when reading line by line 
however it is reading the numbers when we press insert and down arrow to read 
all

In MS Excel if we press the F2 key to make Jaws read one by one character it is 
not reading anything please help me to resolve this problem as the installation 
of my new Acer desktop has put me in lot of problems

Regards

Pavan
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Re: [AI] Need Suggestion

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Sajal,
First things first. Please get rid of the idea that you will not be able to do 
any development work because of RP. Of course you will have to keep yourself 
up-to-date with the needed skills. Enough resources are available on the net to 
acquire any skill.

I am an engineer by education and have  been working  in the IT industry since 
last 20 years. I have RP as well and have lost my functional vision during the 
course of last 7-8 years. I enjoy working on technology as well and have been 
doing it without much of a problem. After working for some MNCs for around 10 
years or so, I have been working independently on my own. I take up software 
development projects and carry out their end to end execution. 

Like you  I started with  High contrast display setting with some 
magnification. Now I comfortably switch off the monitor of my computer and use 
JAWS to do my work with a reasonable speed.

Getting through in a campus interview is a matter of  chance as well as your 
own level of confidence and skills to be able to do what is needed.

If you would like to talk over the phone, just drop me an email and I will give 
you a call.

All the best.
Alok


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sajal arora
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 10:20 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Need Suggestion

Hello there...
I am Sajal Arora, an IT engineering student in Chennai. I am a patient of RP, 
on an intermediate stage. With my eventually detoriating vision, it is hard to 
figure out my goal in one particular field.

IT sector is developing rapidly and now companies want more skilled developers. 
i like coding, but that wont be a long term thing as per my disease.
I already manage surviving with an invert color  magnification in my laptop 
which make my work really slow. I dont know whether i will get campus placement 
or not, I really dont wanna work at banks after struggling a lot in 
engineering. I just want a job where i could earn lots of money tbat gets me 
out of this miserable life. Since my childhood, i always wanted to be an actor 
but thats immature to think of it right now.

I dont have anyone who can guide me the right path. So is there anyone from my 
field(computer) who can guide me a path to follow. Please mail me back.

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Re: [AI] Info about Online music classes

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Sandeep,
I have been taking online music classes on Skype. My music teacher is a blind 
person and  understands well how to teach a visually impaired person. He has  
good command on different kinds of music and  various instruments. Will send 
his contact details to you separately.

Thanks.
Alok


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Sandeep Singh
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 2:09 PM
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disabled.
Subject: [AI] Info about Online music classes

Dear friends,
A blind friend wants to learn music (light hindi). Can anyone furnish some info 
about some good online tuition classes? I think someone had once mentioned 
about some online music classes on the list.
Thanking in anticipation.
Best regards,
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Re: [AI] Smart work arounds

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi,
Is this app available for IOS as well? I tried searching for 'eye-D' in Apple 
App store but could not locate such an app.

Thanks.
Alok


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Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 4:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [AI] Smart work arounds

Hi,

In my case, I was able to red text from the immage. Make sure:
1. You have the latest version of the app.
2. The immage has the text in English only as the app doesn’t have support for 
Indian languages.


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From: jyothi
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 4:00 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.' 
Subject: [AI] Smart work arounds

I tried, but each time, I'm getting the error message "something wrong went 
with that image, pick a different 1 please?

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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
shankar shan
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 6:41 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Smart workarounds

1. open WhatsApp.
2. go to the chat from which you got the image.
3. select the image by dubble tap and long press.
4. click on share.
5. click on image recagnation  eye-d app, and wait for the results from the 
talkback.

note: you need internet connection to use this service.

yes, you can solve the captcha using this app, but, you need to work around 
with it.

here, guess work takes place.

you cant expect perfect solution from this app.

this is just my opinion.




On 11/29/16, Mujeeb Rahman  wrote:
> Whatsapp images too will be read! sounds amazing and interesting!!
> Request the steps..
>
> On 11/29/16, shankar shan  wrote:
>> exactly, and also, without sighted assistance,  you can read all the 
>> information from the image  which you will get on WhatsApp and other 
>> social networking sites.
>> currently, the app is supporting the default language, bbut,its not 
>> supporting for other languages.
>>
>> if the person using Arabic language in there windows, it will be very 
>> much trubble for them, hence, the app developers has to add the 
>> international and indian languages with the app, so that, all lingual 
>> people might benifited.
>>
>>
>> On 11/28/16, Prashant Naik  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As mentioned in the subject sharing one smart workaround. Such 
>>> workarounds we all must have innovated while working with access 
>>> technologies.  Today we have multiple devices with A T, combination 
>>> of them will be helpful.
>>> It
>>> will be a great thing if we share with the A I list for benefiting 
>>> others.
>>>
>>> One such case is suppose your PC has a bit locker login where we 
>>> need to enter password for booting of Windows OS.  In such case 
>>> screen reader will not get loaded till windows starts.  Many a times 
>>> we are unsure what’s on
>>> the screen.   Our dependency on human assistance to move further. In this
>>> case used Eye-D mobile app’s ‘Read text in image’ option. Wah! It 
>>> read screen with text ‘Bit locker enter the pin for windows drive’.  
>>> No more disturbing colleagues for the help.
>>>
>>> This work around you can use when system hangs and screen reader is 
>>> not responding or in case of reading notifications, messages, 
>>> alerts, screens, etc. where screen reader not reaching.
>>>
>>> Do share more.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Prashant Naik
>>>
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Re: [AI] links not opening

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Sandeep,
I have observed this issue as well. In my case following two approaches have 
worked.

1. This happens on internet explorer and not on Mozilla Firefox.
2. Pressing Shift + Enter opens the link in internet explorer.

Thanks.
Alok


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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Sandeep Singh
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 1:39 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: [AI] links not opening

Dear friends,
Have a strange problem. A friend works in an office. Problem is that when he 
clicks with a mouse, the links open instantly, but when he uses enter key or 
right click and open links option, links don't open.
Things to notice here is that these links are recognized by Jaws.
Kindly give your valuable suggestions to solve this problem.
Waiting in anticipation.
Thanks and regards,
Sandeep


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[AI] Yatri Mitra program by Railways

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi,

This seems to be a good initiative. Of course, a lot may have to be done to 
prepare the stations and staff for this program to be really useful.

 

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/yatri-mitra-to-the-aid-of-rail-passengers-in-need-of-assistance/article9112705.ece

 

Thanks.

Alok

 


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Re: [AI] Is there any exemption in Stamp Duty for visually impaired?

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi,
Does anyone on this list know about any circular or any government website link 
that explains such a rule in Uttar Pradesh?

Thanks.
Alok


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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 10:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [AI] Is there any exemption in Stamp Duty for visually impaired?

here in Delhi & utter pradesh there is exumption on registration charges on 
purchasing property for disabled persons it should be free hold register but 
not on general power of autorny I know many of my disabled friends have enjoyed 
this exumption here but do not know about Karnataka, if so please let me also 
know I am also originally from karnataka & willing to purchase some property in 
karnataka.

On 8/22/16, Prashanth MN  wrote:
> Dear group,
> one of my friends, resident of karnataka is purchasing a property and 
> wanted to know is there any exemption in stamp duty for PWD.
> Kindly share the information is there any.
>
>
>
> --
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> Francis Bacon
>
> With regards:
> Prashanth MN
> Panchayat Development Officer,
> Rural Development & Panchayat Raj Department
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Re: [AI] MS Outlook experts!

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi George,
I am facing the same issue. Suggested email addresses are not shown in 'To' or 
'Cc' fields when I start typing an address. I  have already spent a reasonable 
time on various approaches suggested on the internet. However, none of them 
really resolved the issue. If you are able to  find a solution, please post it 
on the list.

Thanks.
Alok


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
George Abraham
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 8:31 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] MS Outlook experts!

My query is not to do with accessibility. I need to get the "contacts"
start working in MS Outlook!

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Srinivasu Chakravarthula
Sent: 07 July 2016 16:33
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] MS Outlook experts!

If an expert didn't call you already, you may want to call Microsoft's 
Disability Answer Desk on 000 800 442 0152 and details are at 
https://support.microsoft.com/en-in/answerdesk/accessibility

Best,
Vasu

Regards,

Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/
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Let's create an inclusive web!

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[AI] For users using hotmail through Outlook

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi All,

I was  using my  hotmail account through Outlook connector on Outlook 2010. 
Since past few days send / receive tasks were throwing up errors and I was 
unable to use my email account using Outlook.

 

After spending a reasonable time on troubleshooting it I finally found the 
solution. If you  use hotmail using Outlook connector on Outlook 2003, 2007, or 
2010 then you either would have faced this issue in past few days or will face 
it in next few days.

 

This information can save some time for hotmail users on this list, especially 
considering that  hotmail's web interface is not great from an accessibility 
point of view.

 

Microsoft is in the process of migrating email accounts to a new server. 
Accounts that are migrated would no longer be able to connect through Outlook 
connector. They will need to be configured to connect to the exchange server.

 

Following link explains all relevant details about this and provides the steps 
to  make  hotmail working again in Outlook.

 

http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/outlookcom/outlook-com-migration-status/ 

 

Thanks.

Alok


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Re: [AI] Accessible income tax Efiling initiative update

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Asif,
It is heartening to know about your efforts. I have been a regular user of 
income tax e-filing portal, and would be  happy to volunteer for this. Inncome 
tax return filing due dates would approach soon and that could be a good time 
to do some real assessment with many more users.

Recently ministry of corporate affairs updated their website. They have used 
accessible altternative to captcha. May be that can be presentted as a solution 
to the captcha on income tax website as well. One example of that could be 
found by  the following navigation.

1. Go to mca.gov.in website.
2. Go to MCA services.
3. Go to complaints.
4. Complaints form has a pre-populated field with some date / time related 
value and  users are requested not to change it.

Thanks.
Alok


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Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 3:34 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.'
Subject: [AI] Accessible income tax Efiling initiative update

Dear all
Hope all is doing great and apology for writing to you all after a long while.
As you are all aware regarding my attempt in personal capacity to make income 
tax accessible to all including blind; I have taken few measures in this 
regards and please to note few tiny developments.

1.   I did meet with Income tax commissioner and highlighted concern faced 
by blind/ visually impaired tax payers and am grateful to my Pwc colleague for 
facilitating this meeting.

2.   2.  I did float an email to you all where Amar and Ashish has 
highlighted issues which are listed below:

3.   * Alternative Visual capcha link does not have clearly 
labled butten enabling blind/ low vision to file taxes.

4.   * Lack of keyboard navigation of entire e-filing websites 
prevent disabled taxpayers to independently carry out this transaction.

5.   * E-file does not conform to W3c compliance , 
international standard for offering equal access  to all citizens including 
disabled.

6.   * Main menu buttons are not accessible.

7.   * Java utility is not screen friendly. (Possible solution 
Jaba bridge or free tools which offers equal access )

8.   * IE brouser not supported

9.   * Process of embedding digital signature is not disabled 
friendly.

10.   * 26 AS Traces (Table needs to include row and column header
3.  We had a conference call with vendor TCS, who is developing and maintaining 
their portal. Key official from income tax attended this conf call and the 
outcome of this call is that they would try to fix all above issues and another 
review call would take place in three weeks.

May I request you all to kindly consider volunteering your little time to view 
this web sites and identify more issues for them to resolve.  I did recommend 
them to hire professional agency which they are not so keying at the moment.
May I also request you to spend time in testing the system when revised version 
of portal goes live.
Please feel free to reach out to me if you would like to volunteer for this 
initiative.  Let's collaborate for accessible India.
Kind regards
Asif

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[AI] Test mail

[Alok Kaushik]

I have not been receiving any AccessIndia mails since past several days. Just 
sending a test message. Please ignore.

 


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Re: [AI] For HDFC Net banking users

[Alok Kaushik]

Thanks Amar, Sameer, and Aravind for your help.

This issue is now resolved by changing the following setting.

JAWS context menu --> Utilities --> Settings center --> Expand Web / HTML / 
PDFs node --> expand links node --> Uncheck filter consecutive duplicate links.

I am using Internet Explorer 11 and latest version of Mozilla Firefox.

Thanks.
Alok

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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Amar Jain
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2016 10:52 AM
To: accessindia
Subject: Re: [AI] For HDFC Net banking users

Alok,

The solution lies in turning off filter duplicate consecutive links in Jaws 
settings. You should be able to get this either in Quick Settings or in 
Web/HTML settings.

Regards,
--
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[AI] For HDFC Net banking users

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi,

I  have used HDFC net  banking for many years now. However, in recent and some 
prior versions I am facing an issue.

 

Ironically, everything works perfectly when I use a much older version of JAWS, 
i.e. JAWS 10. However, when I use JAWS 15 or JAWS 17 it does not reads out some 
content.

 

For example, there  is a ‘Funds Transfer’ link next to ‘Accounts’, which is 
read by JAWS 10 but not 17, similarly many graphic link buttons, e.g. continue, 
etc.  are not being read out, as if they are not present at all, but they are 
of course there.

 

Also, pressing enter key on links does not opens  the link. I have to press 
shift+enter to open the page that the link points to.

Has anyone used HDFC net banking with JAWS 15 or 17 and observed these issues? 
If yes, were any solution found?

 

 

Thanks.

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[AI] Conference and expo on internet of things in Delhi / Gurgaon

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi,

Business World is organizing a conference and expo on IoT (Internet of Things) 
on 11th March at Leela Ambience Hotel on NH 8 near Delhi-Gurgaon border.

 

Although participation in this program is paid but Business World has been kind 
enough to extend complimentary access for me and one more  delegate who could 
accompany.

 

Would like to check if anyone among us is working in this  area of technology 
or would like to understand this for the purpose of creating technical 
solutions using IoT for visually impaired people.

 

Please write to me on alok_kaus...@hotmail.com if you are interested  and I 
would be happy to share more details.

 

Thanks.

Alok

 

 


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Re: [AI] Creating accessible forms

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Srinivasu,
Do you have something similar for accessible navigation menus,e.g. with nested 
sub-menus for web pages?

Thanks.
Alok


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To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Creating accessible forms

Folks,
Today I have presented to W3C's Accessibility in India Community Group on 
Creating Accessible Forms. Slides and transcript is available at 
http://ln.is/serveominclusion.com/UfDbr

Thanks,

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
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[AI] Fw: Submit applications to Power to Empower 2015 and get exciting prizes!

[Alok Kaushik]

Submit applications to Power to Empower 2015 and get exciting prizes! Hi,
This might be of interest to some.

This is a collective initiative. Besides some other entities National Skill 
Development Corporation (NSDC) is also part of this.

This platform is to present an idea, whether in conceptual stage, seed stage, 
or operational stage regarding solutions for creating a sustainable skills 
ecosystem. One of the focus areas for sought solutions is for people with 
disabilities.

This platform can lead to investments or mentoring to realize or enhance the 
ideas.

More information can be found at:
http://www.ennovent.com/challenges/applicationForm/id/218?utm_source=Ennovent_campaign=a57f624066-10_29_2015_medium=email_term=0_63b449a8fe-a57f624066-325588081

Thanks.
Alok

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To: Alok kaushik 
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 3:56 PM
Subject: Submit applications to Power to Empower 2015 and get exciting prizes! 



a
Hi Alok kaushik,
  
Reach out to your network, source and submit applications to the Power to 
Empower 2015 (P2E 2015) Challenge until November 9, 2015 and get an Amazon Gift 
Card or Kindle!

  
P2E 2015, India’s only national-level skills enterprise competition, is the 
joint initiative of National Skill Development Corporation (NSDC) and India@75 
(a CII Initiative) with Ennovent as the Managing Partner. The P2E 2015 
Challenge is rewarding applicants working in the skilling ecosystem across 
three categories: Idea, Seed, and Operations.

  
Register here to participate!

  
For each submitted and approved Idea application you will receive 1 point, for 
a Seed application 3 points, and for an Operations application, 10 points.

  
The rewards are:

  a.. Get a Kindle Paperwhite: The first participant with 100 points receives a 
Kindle Paperwhite.

  b.. Get a Kindle: The top five participants with over 50 points receive an 
Amazon Kindle each.

  c.. Get a Gift Card: Everybody else with a minimum of 20 points gets an 
Amazon gift card worth INR 1000 plus INR 50 for every additional point.

  
Register here!

  
Please find further information here. If you have any questions, please contact 
us at i...@powertoempower.in or +91 11 4385 1999 Extn: 5. 

  
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Re: [AI] A dream come true navigational system

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Harish,
Thanks for sharing this. This is absolutely amazing.

I am excited to volunteer for further development  and coordination of this. Do 
we know the way in which anyone interested can get involved?

Thanks.
Alok

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To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning 
thedisabled." 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:48 PM
Subject: [AI] A dream come true navigational system


> All
> Wish you all a happy Dasera and to top it up, do watch this youtube link.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w17iS0AJHjU
> 
> AccessIndia campaign should seriously try to work with this team too.
> Harish Kotian
> 
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Re: [AI] Meeting with national informaticDirector Center (NIC) general

[Alok Kaushik]

Dear Mr. Asif,
This could be a good platform to communicate our concerns and possibly an 
initiating point for further constructive action.


While possible solutions could be suggested for some specific things, it 
would be a one time activity and would limit the scope of what could be 
achieved. I would suggest that we propose for the following for a 
sustainable solution.


1. Sensetization of the software development teams towards the needs of 
various kinds of users who may be using the software differently.
2. Making the accessibility guidelines readily available to the development 
teams, including WCAG 2.0 standards, customized presentations or guidelines 
for specific projects, etc.
3. If there is any software acceptance benchmark then compliance to WCAG 2.0 
could be included in that.



Besides these points following could also be communicated.

1. If needed, we can prepare and provide accessibility guidelines in a 
quick-to-refer format form that could cover most commonly used things in 
software development and common mistakes.
2. If needed, we can work together with the development teams or whoever 
designs and defines the software designs and policies, to arrive at a 
solution to various issues with minimum possible impact for them in terms of 
effort.



We definitely have some technically competent people around who may be 
willing to be part of this initiative, if NIC decides to give it some 
attention.


I would be happy to discuss any of the points further, if needed.

Thanks.
Alok



- Original Message - 
From: Mohammed Asif iqbal asifmaiq...@hotmail.com
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in

Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:53 PM
Subject: [AI] Meeting with national informaticDirector Center (NIC) general



Dear all,
Hope all are doing well.
I am schedule to meet with Director General (NIC) on Sep24, 2014 and was
hoping to reach out to you for your input.
1. do you think that would this meeting be beneficial in terms of solving
our accessibility issues of various government sights maintained and
designed by NIC.
2. what are some of issues with regards to accessibility that I could
possibly discuss with DG sir?
3. what are some quick solutions we could offer which they may consider
implementing immediately.
I am firm believer that working with key government official may result in
solutions which we desire.
Thanks and request you to provide feedback on above questions.
Asif




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Re: [AI] Jaws V16 beta released!

[Alok Kaushik]

Dear Mr. Ram,
Thanks a lot for the information.

Is a demo version of this feature available using which I can test the usage 
through remote desktop?


Thanks.
Alok

- Original Message - 
From: Ram Agarwal ramagarwal...@gmail.com
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in

Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Jaws V16 beta released!



Dear   Alok,
Here are your answers:

1. Your mail mentions that feature for remote desktop clients and citrix
clients could be purchased. Is this in addition to JAWS license cost?
Yes Freedom Scientific charge Rs.12400 for this facility.

2. Can this feature / service be purchased for an already installed older
version of JAWS, for example, version 13 or 14?
Yes you can.

3. Is any installation needed on the remote computer / server that we
connect to through remote desktop for this JAWS feature to work?
Yes you need to install a demo  of Jaws Pro  but of the same version you 
are

using and also the same voice synthesizer like Eloquence or Sangeeta or
Veena etc.

In case you require any further information or clarification, please 
contact

us and we shall be glad to provide the same.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Thanks

Kind Regards,
Ram Agarwal
--
Karishma Enterprises
132 Maker Tower B, Cuffe Parade,
Mumbai - 45, INDIA

Phone: (022)-22181853
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Direct Email: ramagarwal...@gmail.com

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-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of Alok Kaushik
Sent: 10 September 2014 20:31
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Jaws V16 beta released!

Dear Mr. Ram,
One of the features mentioned in your mail is a real and urgent need for 
me.


Would like to clarify a couple of points regarding it.

I need to work on several Windows based production servers using remote
desktop. And JAWS does not work for remote desktop.

1. Your mail mentions that feature for remote desktop clients and citrix
clients could be purchased. Is this in addition to JAWS license cost?
2. Can this feature / service be purchased for an already installed older
version of JAWS, for example, version 13 or 14?
3. Is any installation needed on the remote computer / server that we
connect to through remote desktop for this JAWS feature to work?

Thanks.
Alok


- Original Message - 
From: Ram Agarwal ramagarwal...@gmail.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:26 PM
Subject: [AI] Jaws V16 beta released!



Dear Friends,

Freedom Scientific has today released their latest version V16 for Jaws
and are giving below some of the major new features for your  attention.

Those of you who have the licenced versions can now purchase the SMA to
take
benefit of the V16 and V17 .

Others who already are covered under SMA will receive their software by
first week of November.

For more details you can contact me.

What's New in Jaws V16





Built-in Search Engine for JAWS Keystrokes





JAWS provides many keystrokes to perform a variety of commands. Many
commands can be performed anywhere in Windows, such as reading the window
title or current line, while other commands are only available in 
specific

applications like Microsoft Word or Internet Explorer. If you are using
JAWS
with a refreshable braille display, there are even JAWS commands that can
be
performed using the controls on the braille display.



While there are certain commands that are used by the majority of JAWS
users
on a daily basis, such as reading the current line (INSERT+UP ARROW) or
reading the current window title (INSERT+T), there are numerous commands
that even the most experienced users do not use regularly and need to be
looked up. Certain types of commands can be especially difficult to
remember
as some of them require pressing several keys at once. The JAWS Command
Search feature enables you to enter a full or partial description of a
command whose keystroke you do not remember. JAWS will display all
commands
that match your search criteria, the description of the feature, and all
the
associated keystrokes, including braille commands if a refreshable 
braille

display is currently connected.



For example, you may need to locate a keystroke for working with formulas
in
Excel. Instead of opening the JAWS help topic for Excel and searching
through all of the available keystrokes, or starting Keyboard Help
(INSERT+1) and pressing various keystroke combinations until you find the
correct one, you can open the Search for JAWS Commands window while
focused
in Excel, type formulas in the search edit box, and then view

Re: [AI] Jaws V16 beta released!

[Alok Kaushik]

Dear Mr. Ram,
One of the features mentioned in your mail is a real and urgent need for me. 
Would like to clarify a couple of points regarding it.


I need to work on several Windows based production servers using remote 
desktop. And JAWS does not work for remote desktop.


1. Your mail mentions that feature for remote desktop clients and citrix 
clients could be purchased. Is this in addition to JAWS license cost?
2. Can this feature / service be purchased for an already installed older 
version of JAWS, for example, version 13 or 14?
3. Is any installation needed on the remote computer / server that we 
connect to through remote desktop for this JAWS feature to work?


Thanks.
Alok


- Original Message - 
From: Ram Agarwal ramagarwal...@gmail.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:26 PM
Subject: [AI] Jaws V16 beta released!



Dear Friends,

Freedom Scientific has today released their latest version V16 for Jaws
and are giving below some of the major new features for your  attention.

Those of you who have the licenced versions can now purchase the SMA to 
take

benefit of the V16 and V17 .

Others who already are covered under SMA will receive their software by
first week of November.

For more details you can contact me.

What's New in Jaws V16





Built-in Search Engine for JAWS Keystrokes





JAWS provides many keystrokes to perform a variety of commands. Many
commands can be performed anywhere in Windows, such as reading the window
title or current line, while other commands are only available in specific
applications like Microsoft Word or Internet Explorer. If you are using 
JAWS
with a refreshable braille display, there are even JAWS commands that can 
be

performed using the controls on the braille display.



While there are certain commands that are used by the majority of JAWS 
users

on a daily basis, such as reading the current line (INSERT+UP ARROW) or
reading the current window title (INSERT+T), there are numerous commands
that even the most experienced users do not use regularly and need to be
looked up. Certain types of commands can be especially difficult to 
remember

as some of them require pressing several keys at once. The JAWS Command
Search feature enables you to enter a full or partial description of a
command whose keystroke you do not remember. JAWS will display all 
commands
that match your search criteria, the description of the feature, and all 
the

associated keystrokes, including braille commands if a refreshable braille
display is currently connected.



For example, you may need to locate a keystroke for working with formulas 
in

Excel. Instead of opening the JAWS help topic for Excel and searching
through all of the available keystrokes, or starting Keyboard Help
(INSERT+1) and pressing various keystroke combinations until you find the
correct one, you can open the Search for JAWS Commands window while 
focused

in Excel, type formulas in the search edit box, and then view a list of
all keystrokes related to working with formulas. Similarly, if you are
browsing the Web and you need to find the keystroke for displaying a list 
of

headings on the current page (INSERT+F6), you can open the Search for JAWS
Commands window from Internet Explorer or Firefox, type list headings in
the search edit box, and this command will be the first result.



To search for a command, press INSERT+SPACEBAR, followed by J, to open the
Search for JAWS Commands window. Alternatively, you can choose Search for
Commands from the Run JAWS Manager dialog box (INSERT+F2) or the JAWS
Utilities menu. An HTML window opens and places you in an edit field. If
Forms Mode is set to Auto or Semi-Auto, Forms Mode will be activated when
the edit field gains focus. Begin typing the description of the command 
you

are looking for and the results area in the lower part of the window
automatically updates. As you type, the first result in the list is spoken
automatically. Pressing ENTER turns off Forms Mode and places you on the
first result.



Note: If Auto Forms Mode is set to Manual, you will need to first press
ENTER to activate Forms Mode before you begin typing in the edit field.



Since this is an HTML window, you can use standard reading commands to
review the search results. Each command name along with the most common
keystroke used to perform it is displayed as a heading so you can quickly
move between results using the H and SHIFT+H Navigation Quick Keys. When 
you
locate the command you want, press DOWN ARROW to move to a brief 
description
of what the command does, and any additional keystrokes that can be used 
to

perform the command. This will include non-layered, layered, and braille
keystrokes. If a particular command offers a braille keystroke, but a
braille display is not currently connected when you performed the search,
the braille keystroke will not be listed.



Each JAWS command name and its associated keystrokes are also 

Re: [AI] latest blogpost in Grappling With RP: Freedom withinlimitations

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Subramani,
Thanks for sharing this. I am reminded of a story about a blind man by 
Ruskin Bond. I am writing the gist of it and how I see it being related in 
our context.


Start of story's gist:
A blind man was travelling in a train. After some time a young lady boarded 
the train and sat on the seat opposite to him. After a while the man 
conversed with the lady and asked for some help in doing something. The lady 
asked him to help himself in a neutral tone. After a few minutes the man 
said to the lady 'Isn't it beautiful outside?'. Lady again said in a neutral 
tone 'It would be better for you to experience it yourself'. The man did not 
speak much after that. The lady got down from the train at her destination 
and another man boarded the train and sat of the seat opposite to the blind 
man. After taking his seat he said 'God help her. She was having a tough 
time navigating through the platform. I think that blind girl was sitting 
here.'

:End of story's gist

In most cases the so called 'other people or authorities' are blind as well, 
not physically but in many different ways. Expecting something from them 
would be bothering ourselves unless their blindness is taken care of first.


Thanks.
Alok

- Original Message - 
From: Subramani L lsubramani.v...@gmail.com

To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 9:37 AM
Subject: [AI] latest blogpost in Grappling With RP: Freedom 
withinlimitations




  Freedom within limitations

What else do I think on a day when our country celebrates its 
independence?


The Americans celebrate their I-Day on July 4, Malaysians on Aug 31,
Singaporians on Aug 9, while South Koreans like Indians mark the day
on August 15. The days may differ, but the thoughts and sentiments
behind the celebrations are much the same.

All human beings living in the country should find freedom in their
spirits, in their hearts and in the ecosystem around them. Some
experience all those freedoms, most could say that they have at least
two of them. But still larger numbers find freedom neither in their
spirits nor in the physical environment. Especially persons with
disability.

Talking of freedom, I always think about M. G. Road, the arterial road
in Bangalore, where you could observe people walking or chatting about
with their companions in absolute comfort. Even the potholes on the
pavements, the hawlkers occupying much of the walking area and the
randomly parked bikes and cars wouldn't upset the relaxed demeanor of
people strutting about.

Of course, almost all of them are persons who could see and swerve
away from any impending obstacle at the last minute. Blind persons
don't have that luxury. We'll have to take heart from whatever freedom
we find within the confines of our limitations.

Read the rest of the blog at:

http://grapplingwithrp.wordpress.com

Please press like on the blog page if you like it or share it on
Facebook or Twitter. Also, please check out the previous postings.

Please do forward it to friends/patients/doctors or anyone who you
think will benefit from the posts.

With warm regards,

Subramani


--
L. Subramani,
Snr. Subeditor,
Deccan Herald,
Bangalore,
M: 91-7204322451

Facebook: Subramani Lakshminarayanan

Twitter: lsubramani60873

Linkedin: L. Subramani

website: http://www.lsubramani.com

If you are someone who need personal help to cope with blindness, a
little friendly chat about things that bother you or just an ear to
listen to your fears and frustrations, please don't hesitate to get in
touch. I've been through that and I can help. Just leave your
questions and if you don't want to give your name, that's fine.

Are you an HR exec, a volunteer, a friend/relative of someone going
through blindness or do you want to understand disability because it's
part of something that you are working on?... Pl get in touch for
volunteer help.



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Re: [AI] about programming language .NET

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Pooja,
Accessibility is needed at the level of the tool that is used to write the 
code and not the programming technology itself.


I have developed several projects on ASP.Net. Most ASP.Net developers use 
Visual Studio to create ASP.Net applications, and I have heard that it is 
accessible. However, by choice I am not using it. I use a simple text editor 
called 'vim', which is a windows equivalent of unix based vi editor.


Any text editor that you are comfortable with can be used to write programs.

If one is not using Visual Studio then command line compilation can be used 
for ASP.Net code. Compiler executable is 'aspnet_compile' and located under 
the bin folder of .Net framework installation.


If you have any specific questions then you can write to me on my email id 
alok_kaus...@hotmail.com.


Thanks.
Alok

- Original Message - 
From: Pooja Gurav guravp...@gmail.com

To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 8:36 PM
Subject: [AI] about programming language .NET



hello list members,
i am persuing BCA 3rd  and learning new programming language i.e. .NET.
so i would like to know does the .net framework is accessable with
JAWS. can we able to do programming efficiently as we do with other
languages like c, c++, VB. i want to know what other softwares or
scripts we need to install along with visualbasic8  and jaws to become
familiar with .NET framework.
please   guide me if anyone already had  worked with this platform.
thanks in advance, and have a great day.



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Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Amar,
Thanks a lot for the details. I am planning to communicate this to the 
mentioned email addresses. Will copy that communication to you as well. If 
there are any more people who feel the need to communicate this with the the 
IT department then they can use this information as well. Collective effort 
would anyway be better.


Thanks.
Alok
- Original Message - 
From: Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com

To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms



Sir,

The issue was taken up with Directorate General of Systems within I.T.
Department,the team which is responsible for technology related
concerns and solutions provided by I.T. Department.

There is a technical challenge for the I.T. Department here. Without
going into technicalities, to briefly explain you, the issue here is
that I.T. Department has come up with Java application to provide for
better validation, safety and security. And the advantage of this
application is that it is independent of the operating system. So
irrespective of which Windows or Linux you use it on, it provides you
the functionality which you need if the other requirements are met.

Unfortunately, in order to implement accessibility in the application,
the standards are not present for the developers, curtsey of Oracle
for paying so less attention to accessibility.

As of now, the only way out is either to provide Excel file,or to
provide an online e-filing form as is provided for ITR1 etc.

The department has positively received the problem, and they have
assured that they will be working to resolve the issue, though it may
not be possible before the current due date. CCPD route for this is
surely not required.

I would erge you to write an email to the following officials:
1. efilinghelpd...@incometaxindia.gov.in
Kind Attention: Mr. Mahesh
2. dgit.syst...@incometaxindia.gov.in
Copy to
3. Member heading the I.T. part of this department on:
member...@incometaxindia.gov.in, Chairman on:
chair...@incometaxindia.gov.in,
If you desire, copy Revenue Secretary on: rs...@nic.in, and Finance
Ministry on: f...@nic.in

It would be good if you could mark me as well on:
amarj...@amarjain.com and Mr. Sameer Latey  on: sala...@gmail.com so
that we can sort this out collectively.

Regards,
--
Amar Jain.
Website: www.amarjain.com



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Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Bhawani,
Thanks for this. Will try the online form.

Yes, captcha definitely is a barrier. However, I think that we may not be 
able to do away with it unless an accessible alternative to it is created. 
What we need to put across to the concerned entities is to find an 
alternative to captcha rather than removing it. There are strong enough 
arguments for introducing captcha, and they would be convincing enough on 
any forum.


Thanks.
Alok

- Original Message - 
From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning 
thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in

Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms


you can file ITR online. it is accessible with jaws. but, before login you 
have to type the image capture. I have a strong opinion to file a petition 
against govt of india regarding this capture code and full accessibility 
of all the websites including private sector service providers like 
telecom, electricity, banking etc.

I also can not understand why these people are stucked with java.
- Original Message - 
From: Alok Kaushik alok_kaus...@hotmail.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 8:17 PM
Subject: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms



Hi,
Income tax department has released Java based income tax return forms 
that are completely inaccessible with JAWS. Excel version was partially 
accessible but it is still not available for ITR 4. For other ITRs excel 
version of forms was recently released.


I want to chek on the following points.

1. Has anyone already taken up this issue with the income tax department?
2. Does anyone know the concerned person(s) or department within IT 
department that can be contacted for this?


I have already inquired several times on the e-filing helpline number.

Of course, the matter can be reported to CCPD but for now I am looking 
for the concerned people or team in the income tax department.


Thanks.
Alok


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Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Bhawani,
I have myself been thinking about an alternative solution for captcha. It is 
not as simple. Putting a captcha code in clear text or putting a simple 
mathematical question in clear text would not fulfil the purpose. Basic idea 
is to have something that can be done only by human action and not by any 
script. Any clear text can be easily captured by a script.


While doing some research earlier I came across captcha approaches that used 
audio captcha along with second-by-second rewind and forward options. It 
also used to play the next one second of audio captcha when one character is 
typed in the captcha text box. However, I feel the need for refinement even 
in that as well.


Another approach is to created a centralized web based OCR service that 
could be invoked by a manual action on a web page. This can be considered 
this a superior version of webvizum that can be used by all browsers.


I have also heard that recent version of JAWS has built-in OCR engine that 
could read text within graphics. However, I have not used it and I am not 
sure whether it can resolve a captcha.


Another approach is to uncover a clear text that could be uncovered only 
through a manual action.


One more approach is to use registered email id or phone number to receive a 
one time password as an alternative to captcha text.
Several other innovative approaches could be thought through and created and 
/ or proposed.


Thanks.
Alok

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From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning 
thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in

Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms


they can convert their graphics in to text. or they can give a mathmaticle 
question and user should type its answer.


-Original Message- 
From: Alok Kaushik

Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 11:53 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning 
thedisabled.

Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

Hi Bhawani,
Thanks for this. Will try the online form.

Yes, captcha definitely is a barrier. However, I think that we may not be
able to do away with it unless an accessible alternative to it is created.
What we need to put across to the concerned entities is to find an
alternative to captcha rather than removing it. There are strong enough
arguments for introducing captcha, and they would be convincing enough on
any forum.

Thanks.
Alok

- Original Message - 
From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com

To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms


you can file ITR online. it is accessible with jaws. but, before login 
you have to type the image capture. I have a strong opinion to file a 
petition against govt of india regarding this capture code and full 
accessibility of all the websites including private sector service 
providers like telecom, electricity, banking etc.

I also can not understand why these people are stucked with java.
- Original Message - 
From: Alok Kaushik alok_kaus...@hotmail.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 8:17 PM
Subject: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms



Hi,
Income tax department has released Java based income tax return forms 
that are completely inaccessible with JAWS. Excel version was partially 
accessible but it is still not available for ITR 4. For other ITRs excel 
version of forms was recently released.


I want to chek on the following points.

1. Has anyone already taken up this issue with the income tax 
department?
2. Does anyone know the concerned person(s) or department within IT 
department that can be contacted for this?


I have already inquired several times on the e-filing helpline number.

Of course, the matter can be reported to CCPD but for now I am looking 
for the concerned people or team in the income tax department.


Thanks.
Alok


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Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Prashant,
Thanks for sharing this. This could be a good approach if:

1. Questions are randomly generated and is not a closed set of questions.
2. Application that is generating the random question needs to be 
intelligent enough to determine the correct answer.
3. Questions need to be more complex than the examples mentioned. For 
example, 'which color' text is a clear indication of information needed, and 
all the words of the question could be scanned against the color names.


Recently I was reading about algorithms to programatically derive logical 
conclusions from English sentences and paragraphs. They are targeted at the 
kind of questions mentioned here. Such algorithms are published in academic 
content for advanced level computer science students studying artificial 
intelligence, which is gaining popularity by each passing day.


Challenging part is that individuals from whom systems are to be protected 
are not too far behind than those who create those systems. None the less, 
if the questions are complex enough, it could still work for another few 
years.


Thanks.
Alok


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From: Prashant Verma prashant...@gmail.com
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in

Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms


How about using logical questions? Even if the text is legible to the 
robot

or script, it may not be able to decipher  and answer it. See one of my
emails below.

In place of the visual image based CAPTCHA which are not accessible to
several users including the visually impaired,  Text CAPTCHA or Logic
Questions should be used. These logic questions provide the needed 
security

to the website and at the same time are accessible to everyone. THE web
accessibility guidelines also recommend use of these alternate types of
CAPTCHA. Note that the audio CAPTCHA is also not an alternative since for
many users including visually impaired it is not easy to both listen to 
the
much distorted audio and type the text at the same type on the website. 
Few

examples of Text based CAPTCHA is given below. More information on Text
Captcha is available on the internet and also on  http://textcaptcha.com/

If the duck is pink, what colour is it?
The list blue, shorts, snake and pink contains how many colours?
What's seventeen minus six?
Also see this Indian Government website which has implemented text 
CAPTCHA:

http://web.guidelines.gov.in/help.php


Thanks,
Prashant

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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of Alok Kaushik
Sent: 18 July 2014 13:50
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

Hi Bhawani,
I have myself been thinking about an alternative solution for captcha. It 
is

not as simple. Putting a captcha code in clear text or putting a simple
mathematical question in clear text would not fulfil the purpose. Basic 
idea

is to have something that can be done only by human action and not by any
script. Any clear text can be easily captured by a script.

While doing some research earlier I came across captcha approaches that 
used

audio captcha along with second-by-second rewind and forward options. It
also used to play the next one second of audio captcha when one character 
is
typed in the captcha text box. However, I feel the need for refinement 
even

in that as well.

Another approach is to created a centralized web based OCR service that
could be invoked by a manual action on a web page. This can be considered
this a superior version of webvizum that can be used by all browsers.

I have also heard that recent version of JAWS has built-in OCR engine that
could read text within graphics. However, I have not used it and I am not
sure whether it can resolve a captcha.

Another approach is to uncover a clear text that could be uncovered only
through a manual action.

One more approach is to use registered email id or phone number to receive 
a

one time password as an alternative to captcha text.
Several other innovative approaches could be thought through and created 
and

/ or proposed.

Thanks.
Alok

- Original Message -
From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms



they can convert their graphics in to text. or they can give a
mathmaticle question and user should type its answer.

-Original Message-
From: Alok Kaushik
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 11:53 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and
issuesconcerning thedisabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

Hi Bhawani,
Thanks for this. Will try the online form.

Yes

Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

[Alok Kaushik]

Hope this would give a better understanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA

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From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning 
thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in

Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms


there is no need of capture at all. if it is so, please let me know why 
and where it is required. my screen reading don't read the character and 
the website owner have to have make their website accessible to all. this 
capture should be removed.



-Original Message- 
From: Alok Kaushik

Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 1:49 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning 
thedisabled.

Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

Hi Bhawani,
I have myself been thinking about an alternative solution for captcha. It 
is

not as simple. Putting a captcha code in clear text or putting a simple
mathematical question in clear text would not fulfil the purpose. Basic 
idea

is to have something that can be done only by human action and not by any
script. Any clear text can be easily captured by a script.

While doing some research earlier I came across captcha approaches that 
used

audio captcha along with second-by-second rewind and forward options. It
also used to play the next one second of audio captcha when one character 
is
typed in the captcha text box. However, I feel the need for refinement 
even

in that as well.

Another approach is to created a centralized web based OCR service that
could be invoked by a manual action on a web page. This can be considered
this a superior version of webvizum that can be used by all browsers.

I have also heard that recent version of JAWS has built-in OCR engine that
could read text within graphics. However, I have not used it and I am not
sure whether it can resolve a captcha.

Another approach is to uncover a clear text that could be uncovered only
through a manual action.

One more approach is to use registered email id or phone number to receive 
a

one time password as an alternative to captcha text.
Several other innovative approaches could be thought through and created 
and

/ or proposed.

Thanks.
Alok

- Original Message - 
From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com

To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms


they can convert their graphics in to text. or they can give a 
mathmaticle question and user should type its answer.


-Original Message- 
From: Alok Kaushik

Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 11:53 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning 
thedisabled.

Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

Hi Bhawani,
Thanks for this. Will try the online form.

Yes, captcha definitely is a barrier. However, I think that we may not be
able to do away with it unless an accessible alternative to it is 
created.

What we need to put across to the concerned entities is to find an
alternative to captcha rather than removing it. There are strong enough
arguments for introducing captcha, and they would be convincing enough on
any forum.

Thanks.
Alok

- Original Message - 
From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and 
issuesconcerning

thedisabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms


you can file ITR online. it is accessible with jaws. but, before login 
you have to type the image capture. I have a strong opinion to file a 
petition against govt of india regarding this capture code and full 
accessibility of all the websites including private sector service 
providers like telecom, electricity, banking etc.

I also can not understand why these people are stucked with java.
- Original Message - 
From: Alok Kaushik alok_kaus...@hotmail.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 8:17 PM
Subject: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms



Hi,
Income tax department has released Java based income tax return forms 
that are completely inaccessible with JAWS. Excel version was partially 
accessible but it is still not available for ITR 4. For other ITRs 
excel version of forms was recently released.


I want to chek on the following points.

1. Has anyone already taken up this issue with the income tax 
department?
2. Does anyone know the concerned person(s) or department within IT 
department that can be contacted for this?


I have already inquired several times on the e-filing helpline number.

Of course, the matter can be reported to CCPD but for now I am looking 
for the concerned people or team in the income tax department.


Thanks.
Alok


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[AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi,
Income tax department has released Java based income tax return forms that are 
completely inaccessible with JAWS. Excel version was partially accessible but 
it is still not available for ITR 4. For other ITRs excel version of forms was 
recently released.

I want to chek on the following points.

1. Has anyone already taken up this issue with the income tax department?
2. Does anyone know the concerned person(s) or department within IT department 
that can be contacted for this?

I have already inquired several times on the e-filing helpline number.

Of course, the matter can be reported to CCPD but for now I am looking for the 
concerned people or team in the income tax department.

Thanks.
Alok


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[AI] Talking Televisions are available in India

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi All,
Today I happenned to visit a Panasonic store and I inquired about talking 
televisions. Several models with voice guidance were available. These are from 
E6 series, E60 series, DT60 series, and WT60 series.

I took the demo of E6 series models over there.

These models were earlier available only in a few countries like UK, US, 
Australia, but are available in India now as well.

Since these are primarily in the category of smart televisions their cost is 
quite high. I must say that thay have a rather tempting range of features, like 
built-in voice enabled browser that can be used to play content directly from 
internet using Wi-Fi connection, pairing with several devices like mobile 
phone, bluetooth keyboard, etc.

However, this would be of little practical use in absence of talking set top 
boxes.

Thanks.
Alok


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Re: [AI] Talking Televisions are available in India

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Prashanth,
I saw a couple of models in E6 series. One with 32 inches display costs Rs. 
42000 and the one with 42 inches costs Rs. 6. Smaller screens were not 
available at the store. Other series are priced higher than this. Possibly 
smaller screen sizes in E6 series could be more affordable. I have got the 
phone number of this store and I can confirm this over the phone sometime this 
week.

Thanks.
Alok

  - Original Message - 
  From: Prashant Verma 
  To: 'Alok Kaushik' ; accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
  Cc: 'Kotian, H P' 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:22 PM
  Subject: RE: Talking Televisions are available in India


  Dear Alok,

  What was the price range?

  If people are buying new televisions they may buy these instaed hoping for 
future benefits.

   

  Prashant Verma

   

  From: Alok Kaushik [mailto:alok_kaus...@hotmail.com] 
  Sent: 23 April 2014 22:07
  To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
  Cc: Kotian, H P; Prashant Verma
  Subject: Talking Televisions are available in India

   

  Hi All,

  Today I happenned to visit a Panasonic store and I inquired about talking 
televisions. Several models with voice guidance were available. These are from 
E6 series, E60 series, DT60 series, and WT60 series.

   

  I took the demo of E6 series models over there.

   

  These models were earlier available only in a few countries like UK, US, 
Australia, but are available in India now as well.

   

  Since these are primarily in the category of smart televisions their cost is 
quite high. I must say that thay have a rather tempting range of features, like 
built-in voice enabled browser that can be used to play content directly from 
internet using Wi-Fi connection, pairing with several devices like mobile 
phone, bluetooth keyboard, etc.

   

  However, this would be of little practical use in absence of talking set top 
boxes.

   

  Thanks.

  Alok

   


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Re: [AI] suggestions for developing website and software for the visually challenged:

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Kartik,
It would be really helpful if you could mention some specific accessibility 
related projects on github that you are aware of. This could give a quick 
start to many individuals who are in the technology domain and are 
interested in working in the area of accessibility.


Thanks.
Alok

- Original Message - 
From: Kartik Sawhney sawhney.kar...@gmail.com
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in

Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] suggestions for developing website and software for the 
visually challenged:




I second Pranav Sir. There are several software and websites out there
that have modules and practice tests for various competitive exams.
While these may not be very accessible, a better idea would probably
be to have their developers incorporate accessibility features, rather
than developing new software. tcyonline is one such website offering
practice tests.

NVDA as an open source screen reader has great potential, and hence,
it'll be a good idea to contribute to its development. There are also
several other open source projects on github that you might want to
explore. Many of these pertain to accessibility.

Best,

On 4/1/14, Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Vidhya,

In terms of development, please consider working on NVDA. That screen
reader
needs developers. If you want to work on science and math, you could add
MathML support. This may need more than 2 months to do but will have 
global

benefits.

Pranav




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[AI] Consolidation of insurance services

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi All,
This information could be of use and provide easier access to those who are 
still handling their insurance policies and premium paymentsin paper form. 
Although many insurance providers already provide online insurance services, 
this could still be of use to some. This will also allow policies from multiple 
insurance providers  to get consolidated in a single place.

quoting from received communication below.


It gives us immense pleasure to inform you that our subsidiary NSDL Database 
Management Limited (NDML) has been authorized by Insurance Regulatory and 
Development Authority (IRDA) to act as an Insurance Repository. You can now 
hold your insurance policies in electronic form with NSDL group, the way you 
hold your securities in Demat Account. We have named this initiative as 
National Insurance-policy Repository (NIR).

NIR facilitates a proposer to hold insurance policies in electronic form in a 
single e-Insurance Account (eIA) and offers easy online access to these 
insurance policies. For this, you will have to open an eIA and the insurance 
policies will be credited by the Insurance Company into this eIA. You can seek 
credit of existing as well as new insurance policies in eIA.

And it costs you nothing to open eIA and hold insurance policies in electronic 
form.

 

NIR Facilitates:


!   

   

· Holding of all insurance policies in a single e-Insurance Account 
(eIA), 

· Doing away the hassles associated with holding the insurance policies 
in physical form,

· One time Know Your Customer (KYC)  for opening the e-Insurance 
account, 

· A single point of contact for the account holder to update 
demographic details with insurance companies, 

· Conversion of the existing paper policies into electronic policies at 
the request of the policy holder.

Benefits:

 

· No charges for eIA opening and eIA maintenance to the eIA holder,

· Eliminates multiple KYC,

· All insurance policies  under one umbrella,

· Single view for all policies,

· Portfolio tracking,

· Ease in Premium payments,

· Account Statement from NIR.

 

eIA can be opened by filling the eIA application form (attached) and submitting 
it to your nearest Approved Person - your DP/Broker may also be an Approved 
Person who will facilitate opening of eIA. 

The details of the Approved Persons and the list of insurance companies, whose 
policies as on date can be converted into electronic form are available at 
https://nir.ndml.in. We are in the process of appointing more approved persons 
and many insurance companies are likely to join the Insurance Repository system 
in due course. 

 



To experience the power of e-Insurance Account fill in the attached eIA 
application form and submit it to the nearest Approved Person. Please visit 
https://nir.ndml.in for further information. 

 

 

For any assistance please feel free to get in touch with us at 
helpdesk@nsdl.co.in / 022 49142631.

 

Regards,

NSDL.



End quote 

 

Thanks.
Alok


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Re: [AI] is there any directory of disable?

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Mukesh,
Thanks for sharing this. This information could be very useful in many ways. 
I want to check on the following points.


1. Is this data based on 2011 census or something else?
2. Is this obtained through RTI or a general request?
3. Do they provide statistical information or individual level information?

Thanks.
Alok

- Original Message - 
From: mukesh jain mukesh.jai...@gmail.com
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concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in

Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] is there any directory of disable?



hello,
you may also contact nearest collector office/office of the social
justice and empowerment to collect the required data.

i happen to visit said office recently and asked them to furnish the
data of the disabled women in my state and upon the satisfaction of my
reason i.e. i have been appointed as state committee member of saksham
seva and hence  need the same to work on the some of their  projects
they provided me the entire list.
thanks,

On 4/1/14, Mr. Banker visuallyimpairedbank...@gmail.com wrote:

contact eyeway.
locate the number on the website:
www.eyeway.org



On 4/1/14, akshun mahajan akshunmahajan...@gmail.com wrote:

hi friends hope u r fine out there.
friends i want to know, is there any directory of disable?
if we have to contact with eminent personalities what is the best way
to get there contact #
looking forward for your replies.



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Re: [AI] Querry regarding printer and scanner software. Pls reply.

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi,
There is no need to hunt for CDs. You can download the drivers from HP and 
Canon websites. HP also offers a feature to automatically detect the model 
and select the best driver for it. Alternatively you can choose the model 
and your operating system and download the required driver software.


You may refr to the following links.

For HP products:
http://www8.hp.com/in/en/support-topics/printer-installation/install-download-printer-drivers.html
http://www8.hp.com/in/en/drivers.html


For Canon products:
http://support-in.canon-asia.com/?personal

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Alok

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Subject: [AI] Querry regarding printer and scanner software. Pls reply.



Hi all, recently I have formatted My OS. and, I have loss my HP
printer Cd And, cannon scanner driver CD. So now I want to scann and
print. But softwares got formatted. So, Is it possible to download
those softwares? And, those are free softwares? Cann I ask them?  to
order to send and deliver? Pls reply me. ---Thanks and regards.
Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi. State: Karnataka. Country: India. My contact
info: mail ID: ingalagisi...@gmail.com facebook:
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Re: [AI] Want to buy a musical keyboard

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Sumesh,
I bought Yahama PSR E313 a few years ago. It is a good one. There may have 
been some changes in the model over these years. It does not have any 
talking features though. I have its user manual in PDF format, which can be 
referred to.


I have created my own reference document to identify different keys and 
functions. Different panels have different sizes and shapes of keys so 
locating a key is not difficult if you know which key you are looking for. 
Memory serves as the best tool.


There are some features like listen and learn that display notes on a LCD 
screen. These features cannot be used without sighted assistence.


Let me know if you decide to buy Yahama PSR series keyboard and would like 
to have its user manual in PDF format.


Thanks.
Alok

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Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Want to buy a musical keyboard



Hi,
Thanks a lot for your valuable info.
I'm not learning Karnatic classical, but I love to play simple
malayalam, tamil or hindi film songs which is having a melodious
touch.
Will the yamaha keyboard which I mentioned suitable for this purpose?
With lots of thanks and regards,
Sumesh K S
On 3/17/14, Shireen Irani shireen@gmail.com wrote:

hi,

any keybord from the yamaha psr series will do good for you.
however as i think u realise, it is not possible to play Karnatic
music in its purest form on a western instrument such as a keybord. so
let both of them be separet hobbies.
learning the keybord, and learning karnatic music on an indian
instrument more suited for the purpose.
best,
shireen.

On 3/17/14, Sumesh Surendran sumeshkun...@gmail.com wrote:

രരDear all,

I am also planning to buy a digital keyboard. I am not a professional
musician. My objective is to learn keyboard right from the basic
lessons. I belong to Kerala in South India and my field of interest is
Karnatic based melodious songs. I want to learn playing such songs in
it. Also I would like to have the Indian instruments like flute,
sitar, santoor, tabla, mridangam etc which will be more useful to
materialise my objective.

I am not having an idea to become a keyboardist by profession, but I
want to learn it as part of my personal enjoyment. I would like to
have a keyboard which is the most durable as I can keep it with me for
ever and enjoy playing it.
I searched a lot and fount one keyboard named Yamaha PSR I455 which is
having some indian instruments in it. But I am not having a clear idea
of the product. So could you please help me in identifying the best
product for me.

Also please throw some light in to the area of it's accessibility.

With lots of thanks and regards,
Sumesh K S
Chief computer trainer
RCG SRVC Centre
Vismaya Info Park
Cochin, Kerala


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Hi friends, I want to buy a keyboard of professional quality not beyond
40,000. please suggest me a good brand/model with the reason.
Thank you
Regards
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Re: [AI] Banking-cheques

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Kanchan,
Cheque truncation system is used everywhere in India now. Truncation 
essentially means truncation of use of paper cheque in the workflow. Scanned 
image of the cheque is used for the entire workflow after it is received 
from the depositor by the drawee bank.


Following link will give you an idea about the process. Content of this page 
were written after CTS was first rolled out in 2008 in NCR, but the process 
would be the same anyway.


http://www.banknetindia.com/banking/chqtruncationb.htm

Thanks.
Alok

- Original Message - 
From: Kanchan Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 2:00 PM
Subject: [AI] Banking-cheques



I am trying to find out how a cheque is cleared nowadays.
What used to happen was
1. I issued a cheque and handed it over to the payee.
2. The payee then used to present it to his Branch.
3. Then it went to the RBI  for sorting
4. The cheque then came back to my branch for verification of signature 
and balance etc.
5. If my branch cleared it then the payee got a credit otherwise the 
cheque was considered as dishonoured.
6. The intervention was at my branch and I could  keep my branch informed 
about the fact that I had issued such a cheque. Knowing that their 
customer was visually impaired my branch would clear my cheque if the 
signature mismatched a little.


Now with core banking and with a central claring system and with trunketed 
cheques please help by sending me a detailed step by step procedure of how 
a cheque is cleared and where can we have the verification by the bank 
manager.
I have always said that rules and regulations have to change with time. So 
maybe now it is time to add to the RBI Circular and Indian Bank 
Association's guidelines of 2008.

Kanchan Pamnani
Advocate  Solicitor
9, Suleman Chambers,
Battery Street, Colaba,
Mumbai - 400 039.




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Re: [AI] Banking-cheques

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi George,
If we look at the present snapshot, it is apparent that needs of VI people 
were not considered. However, even though the drivers of moving to 
electronic format were fundamentally different, it is still in the direction 
where technology can come to our salvation. so although inadvertantly this 
may work for us in the due course of time.


Of course it would have been better to consider the needs at the time of 
designing the new process, Some innovative enhancements to the current 
system can still fulfil the purpose. some possible solutions have already 
started taking shape in my mind as I am thinking about this. However, I am 
not sure what would be the right forum to discuss or present such 
suggestions from where some actual changes can get initiated.


If there is any formal entity or platform to whom or where we can propose 
any solution oriented suggestions then please let us know.


Thanks.
Alok

- Original Message - 
From: George Abraham geo...@eyeway.org
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in

Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Banking-cheques



The irony is that progress has been made in banking. The strides made are
revolutionary. However the needs of the visually impaired clients have 
been

overlooked or not been considered.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of Alok Kaushik
Sent: 10 March 2014 16:04
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Banking-cheques

Hi Kanchan,
Cheque truncation system is used everywhere in India now. Truncation
essentially means truncation of use of paper cheque in the workflow.
Scanned
image of the cheque is used for the entire workflow after it is received
from the depositor by the drawee bank.

Following link will give you an idea about the process. Content of this
page
were written after CTS was first rolled out in 2008 in NCR, but the 
process


would be the same anyway.

http://www.banknetindia.com/banking/chqtruncationb.htm

Thanks.
Alok

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From: Kanchan Pamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 2:00 PM
Subject: [AI] Banking-cheques



I am trying to find out how a cheque is cleared nowadays.
What used to happen was
1. I issued a cheque and handed it over to the payee.
2. The payee then used to present it to his Branch.
3. Then it went to the RBI  for sorting
4. The cheque then came back to my branch for verification of signature
and balance etc.
5. If my branch cleared it then the payee got a credit otherwise the
cheque was considered as dishonoured.
6. The intervention was at my branch and I could  keep my branch informed



about the fact that I had issued such a cheque. Knowing that their
customer was visually impaired my branch would clear my cheque if the
signature mismatched a little.

Now with core banking and with a central claring system and with

trunketed

cheques please help by sending me a detailed step by step procedure of

how

a cheque is cleared and where can we have the verification by the bank
manager.
I have always said that rules and regulations have to change with time.

So

maybe now it is time to add to the RBI Circular and Indian Bank
Association's guidelines of 2008.
Kanchan Pamnani
Advocate  Solicitor
9, Suleman Chambers,
Battery Street, Colaba,
Mumbai - 400 039.




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Re: [AI] Start a new NGO

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Mohit / Bhushan,
I was happy to see this request on the list but waited for people who are 
already working in the NGO sector to respond. I am putting down some basic 
information from my limited knowledge.


I would also suggest that a CA or advocate be consulted for detailed inputs 
even if it is a paid consultation. There are several operational and 
compliance related requirements that one has to take care of after getting 
into this.


An NGO can be registered in one of the following three ways.

1. As a trust.
2. As a society.
3. As a non-profit company under section 25.

Here are the key points for each mode of registration.

For a trust:
1. At least two trustees are needed to register.
2. Registration can be done at local level in registrar's office, i.e. 
tehsil. A trust deed needs to be drafted for it.
3. A trust once formed cannot be dissolved. If unoperational it can be 
merged with another entity doing a similar work by the charity commissioner.

4. It is simplest from a compliance requirements point of view.

For a society:
1. At least seven members are needed to register a society.
2. It is registered at societies registration office at state level.
3. Generally societies have to define different office bearers and their 
election has tobe done at the frequency defined in the constitution of the 
society.
4. A constitution needs to be drafted for the society before its 
registration.


For a non-profit company:
1. Memorandum and articles of association need to be drafted for its 
registration.

2. Registration is done with the registrar of companies in your state.
3. At least two directors need to be identified to form a company. Directors 
will need to obtain a DIN (director identification number).
4. This is governed by companies act and has several compliance related 
requirements.


As far as drafting of deed / constitution / MoA is concerned it is standard 
practice for many advocates or CS. You would just need to inform them about 
specific activities or area of work that you have in mind.


I would also suggest that you have enough clarity about the key activities 
that you would like to undertake and how the organization would sustain. 
Give yourself some more time if you feel the need.


Following link can be a good starting point for you.

http://www.ngosindia.com/resources/ngo_registration1.php

Thanks.
Alok

- Original Message - 
From: Mohit Gupta mohitchan...@gmail.com
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in

Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Start a new NGO



Dear list members
I am very surprised. No list member  have provided me  relevant
information. Kindly tell me legal formalities regarding for the same.

Thanks.


On 2/28/14, Bhushan Agarwal bhushan.agarwal2...@gmail.com wrote:

hello list members
I am basant from rajasthan. I saw the condition of rajasthan regarding
to the visuall impairment. I have a dream to start a NGO and work for
VIs.
I would like to know about government rules for starting a NGO.  I
have heard many names relating to NGOs like confedaration, fedaration,
alliance, association, trust etc. I request to access india please
give me information for the same.

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Re: [AI] signature issue

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi All,
Things are not that difficult as it may appear to most of us as far as 
having a solution from the banks is concerned from a technical or even cost 
perspective. Bigger challange is to have the willingness or push for the 
same.


eChecks are provided in many countries as a banking product. In fact there 
are several companies in US that perform midoffice work of converting paper 
based checks to eChecks for other recipient companies. Even when we talk 
about electronic clearing in India it is essentially done by converting a 
paper based check to an electronic equivalent. However, it is done by the 
bank currently. If an interface to a similar feature can be provided through 
net banking or any other equivalent authentication then customers can issue 
eChecks using non-paper based authentication. This technology is already 
available with most of the banks operating in India. This means that abig 
chunk ofthe solution is already present, at least for the individuals who 
can use a computer.


Individuals working with banks or RBI can help clarify whether there is any 
policy based restriction in providing such an interface or product to 
customers if a bank is willing to do so.


DSC has been accepted as an alternative to physical signature in many 
eGovernance initiatives, including income tax department, NSDL, ministry of 
corporate affairs, etc. Above mentioned suggestion would not really require 
DSC though.


Thanks.
Alok


- Original Message - 
From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in

Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] signature issue



Hi
Digital technology is different in scope and usage to physical signature.
Digital signature only ensures that the digital document is not tampered 
in transit or storage and is admissible in court of law.


It cannot be made a substitute to physical signature.
Harish

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Ajay Minocha

Sent: 05 March 2014 17:30
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.

Subject: Re: [AI] signature issue

Can't we do away with something like digital signature?
I mean by any chance can it be incorporated in the check printing
template designed by Prashant sir?
According to me, if the template is designed in PDF then it could be done.
Regards,
Ajay

On 3/5/14, pavan kumar lingam l.pavan@gmail.com wrote:

Pranav ji I will try to answer the problems that you've pointed out.
 1: legislation can be done only if we fight together as a community as
 we prohibited ordinance on PWD bill.
 regarding stats and number of VI customers that banks have sure I do
 agree that its less but still with financial inclusion on cards it
 will only increase.
2.  with technology advancing from time to time and that too with much
 faster rate I don't think its imposible.
 if you say most of the people don't track there mobiles often it will
 be our mistake once we receive an SMS containing OTP then there must
 be a stipulated time duration before which a VI customer should call a
 dedicated number (tolfree customer care number can be used for this)
 and input the cheque number along with OTP received so that the cheque
 can be cleared.
3. in case if our mobile is stolen then we can call customer care from
 any other mobile/ landline then stop payment of that cheque and block
 it temporaryly as we block our debit card/ credit card.
--


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Re: [AI] MCA E-filing anyone?

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Amar,
I have been filling and filing MCA forms for ROC for past several years as a 
director. Yes, they are very inaccessible. I had to use sighted assistence 
while filling up the form. If you are planning to approach the ministry of 
corporate affairs then I would be happy to add my inputs and / or send the 
request collectively.


Thanks.
Alok

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Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 3:30 PM
Subject: [AI] MCA E-filing anyone?



Hi List,

Has anyone being a C.A. or a company auhtorized director been dealing
with MCA e-filing here? I saw the relevant forms to be filed with ROC
online, and they are pretty inaccessible PDFs with no labels on the
radio buttons, edit boxes etc.

Are there tricks which anyone has been using? I plan to file a
complaint with MCA for making it accessible.

Regards,
--
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[AI] Fw: Invitation for Twitter event - American Express Leadership Academy Common Purpose

[Alok Kaushik]

Interesting. Shortly after a suggestion was made on this subject for 
AccessIndia convention, I received this invite. Forwarding this in case it 
interest any of the not for profit NGOs, and individuals who are current or 
emerging leaders of various initiatives.

Theme:  Are Indian NGO leaders equipped for scale change? 

Thanks.
Alok


- Original Message - 
From: indialeadershipacademy 
To: literacyin...@hotmail.com 
Cc: indrani.sha...@outlook.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:57 PM
Subject: Invitation for Twitter event - American Express Leadership Academy  
Common Purpose


We are delighted to invite you to join American Express Leadership Academy  
Common Purpose for a Twitter discussion on 27 November 2013, on the theme of 
Leadership in the non profit sector (Official Hashtag: #amexleads).



Time: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 from 3pm - 5pm.

Theme:  Are Indian NGO leaders equipped for scale change? 

Shortcut to the tweet room: http://tweetchat.com/room/amexleads 

The American Express Leadership Academy in partnership with Common Purpose 
announces the Third Indian Academy course from 2-6 December, 2013. This course 
aims to develop emerging leaders who have the potential to become senior 
leaders in the not-for-profit sector. As part of its constant endeavor to make 
its approach customized for the non profit sector, we are holding an exclusive 
twitter interaction to discuss important elements of leadership in the non 
profit sector. Social entrepreneurs, innovators, experts, and enthusiasts from 
around the world will join us to discuss the theme. Please join by logging on 
to Twitter and follow the #amexleads hashtag or keep tabs on the discussion 
using Tweetchat and share your views, questions and experiences, learning(s).  

@Changemakers will co-moderate this session and will promote the event on 
#SocEntChat* to attract important discussants. 

Be there and invite your network!!

Regards

India Leadership Academy Team






* What is #SocEntChat and how does it work? 

A #SocEntChat is a real-time, Twitter-based discussion about social 
entrepreneurship that focuses on various issues, areas, themes, and events. It 
is designed for current and aspiring social entrepreneurs, funders, 
journalists, enthusiasts, technocrats and supporters to share their ideas, 
discuss the state of the field, identify the latest innovations, and pinpoint 
areas requiring deeper exploration.



Joining the twitter conversation is easy. Just log-in to Twitter and then:

·  Use the #amexleads hashtag to make your comments visible in the stream. 
During twitter discussion, use search.twitter.com or an application like 
Tweetdeck (www.tweetdeck.com) or thwirl (www.thwirl.com) to follow the 
#amexleads hashtag and keep up with the conversation. We recommend using 
Tweetchat, an application that makes taking part in a Twitter chat easy.

·  Introduce yourself and take a minute to get to know the other chatters when 
you join.

·  Send your questions to the tweetroom with the hashtag #amexleads

·  Here is shortcut link to the tweet room: http://tweetchat.com/room/amexleads 

Please remember to use the hashtag #amexleads, stay on topic, be respectful, 
and have fun! And be sure to invite your friends and followers to join the 
discussion, too. Please promote this twitter event in your network with 
suggested sample tweets below:

Tweet 1: Join @INCommonPurpose on Nov 27 @3pm IST for an intriguing twitter 
discussion on “Leadership in non profit sector” at #amexleads.

Tweet 2: Explore best practices  challenges of Leadership in non profit sector 
on Nov27 @3pm IST at #amexleads  

Catch you all on Twitter: http://tweetchat.com/room/amexleads 
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Re: [AI] Announcing the AI convention dates

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Neeraj,
Thanks for your response. If you could mention specific points that may need 
elaboration / clarification then I will be able to give more focused 
responses. In any case I am putting down some more of my thoughts to add to 
the details, if it helps.


Suggestion is based on a much broader perspective and with a long term 
horizon in view. It is intended to extend enabling means of a better life to 
which some of us are fortunate to have. Many organizations and individuals 
are already working with that underlying objective. This suggestion is 
primarily to take that effort to greater scale, and enable an / or guide 
motivated individuals within our community to achieve it.


It is understandable that only a small part of the total group strength may 
be looking to take up such a role / initiative, and that is why we may need 
a larger gathering of aware individuals to finally have a handful of such 
new leaders. It is my firm belief that even if only a small number of 
individuals may be the target audience of this, it could have a significant 
impact in a few years timeframe.


Since individuals come from different backgrounds and have different levels 
of knowledge / awareness / expertise of various aspects of successfully 
running such initiatives, if we can create a pool of mentors and guides who 
are experienced in various associated fields it could be a real enabler. 
Also, it would allow individuals within our community to realize a sense of 
fulfilment, while generating employment, extending help to many others, and 
possibly touching upon several new focus areas.


Thanks.
Alok

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From: Neerajsaxena neerajsaxena12...@gmail.com
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning 
the disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in

Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Announcing the AI convention dates


Interesting idea, please elaborate or clear for people to understand the 
consept.

-Original message-
From: Alok Kaushik
Sent:  21/11/2013, 11:46  am
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning 
the

disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Announcing the AI convention dates


Dear Mr. Harish,
Here is my suggestion. This idea can be further refined by discussing with 
people experienced in this area.


Topic: Social entrepreneurship in the area of accessibility / social 
sensetization / counselling / rehabilitation / improving quality of life


Background:
There may be several individuals, like me, who are more than willing to 
work in the social domain or possibly make it as as a key purpose in their 
lives. I think that it is extremely important to help in enabling this 
segment of individuals to take a significant step in overall scalability.


This could greatly enhance geographical reach as well as cater to many 
more aspects.


Following points / aspects can be covered in this regard.
- Providing informational guidance regarding setting up a social 
entrepreneurship venture, ongoing operations and compliance, etc.
- Creating a pool of individuals who are looking to work full time or part 
time in this area and have a drive to make a positive contribution. This 
can be for individuals who are looking at this as an employment 
opportunity, as well as for those who see this as something much more than 
employment.
- Create a pool of mentors and guides who can provide a need based 
guidance during various stages of such a venture.
- Create a platform / formal or informal group where all such individuals 
can connect and get started.


In many cases people may be given a generic advice of getting associated 
with one of the existing organizations. While this could work for many 
cases, I see following limitations in that.
- Any individual who has such an inner drive is very likely to have an 
idea about what and how he / she may want to do, which may not be what the 
nearby organizations may be doing.
- Geographical location of such organizations may be a limitations for 
many individuals.
- Individuals who are already leading these organizations and have 
established certain way of functioning may not appreciate any significant 
change in it.
- Individuals would be functioning at different levels and would have 
different types of expertise, which may not be satisfactorily used.

- It is not a scalable approach.

Thanks.
Alok





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From: harish har...@accessindia.org.in

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:29 PM
Subject: [AI] Announcing the AI convention dates



Friends

The time to meet up in person has come again. This time it is challo 
Delhi


This is an early announcement, which means, the date and the venue is 
fixed. The dates of the convention is February 15 and 16 2014.Venue India 
Islamic center, New Delhi.


You can gear yourself to do the necessary bookings for those out of 
Delhi.


The convention partner

Re: [AI] Announcing the AI convention dates

[Alok Kaushik]

Dear Mr. Harish,
Here is my suggestion. This idea can be further refined by discussing with 
people experienced in this area.

Topic: Social entrepreneurship in the area of accessibility / social 
sensetization / counselling / rehabilitation / improving quality of life

Background:
There may be several individuals, like me, who are more than willing to work in 
the social domain or possibly make it as as a key purpose in their lives. I 
think that it is extremely important to help in enabling this segment of 
individuals to take a significant step in overall scalability.

This could greatly enhance geographical reach as well as cater to many more 
aspects.

Following points / aspects can be covered in this regard.
- Providing informational guidance regarding setting up a social 
entrepreneurship venture, ongoing operations and compliance, etc.
- Creating a pool of individuals who are looking to work full time or part time 
in this area and have a drive to make a positive contribution. This can be for 
individuals who are looking at this as an employment opportunity, as well as 
for those who see this as something much more than employment.
- Create a pool of mentors and guides who can provide a need based guidance 
during various stages of such a venture.
- Create a platform / formal or informal group where all such individuals can 
connect and get started.

In many cases people may be given a generic advice of getting associated with 
one of the existing organizations. While this could work for many cases, I see 
following limitations in that.
- Any individual who has such an inner drive is very likely to have an idea 
about what and how he / she may want to do, which may not be what the nearby 
organizations may be doing.
- Geographical location of such organizations may be a limitations for many 
individuals.
- Individuals who are already leading these organizations and have established 
certain way of functioning may not appreciate any significant change in it.
- Individuals would be functioning at different levels and would have different 
types of expertise, which may not be satisfactorily used.
- It is not a scalable approach.

Thanks.
Alok





- Original Message - 
From: harish har...@accessindia.org.in
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:29 PM
Subject: [AI] Announcing the AI convention dates


 Friends
 
 The time to meet up in person has come again. This time it is challo Delhi
 
 This is an early announcement, which means, the date and the venue is fixed. 
 The dates of the convention is February 15 and 16 2014.Venue India Islamic 
 center, New Delhi.
 
 You can gear yourself to do the necessary bookings for those out of Delhi.
 
 The convention partner is the vibrant Score foundation.
 We have aligned the dates to facilitate participating in Techshare of 
 Barrier-break which falls on Feb13-14.
 
 Continuing with our tradition, we leave the floor open to members to draw the 
 agenda of the convention. We will do our best to find suitable resource 
 person for it.
 So, let us have the topics. It is your chance to write the agenda. This 
 should come to us by November 25th .
 You can use this thread for making the suggestions.  
 Eagerly looking forward To meet up with each one of the AccessIndia family.
 
 Regards
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Re: [AI] how to enter on graphical clickable button for submitting aform

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Umair,
Although I have not tried this on the link mentioned in your email, but here is 
how I do something similar on other websites.

1. After filling the form exit the forms mode and then press g to go to the 
desired graphical link button.
2. Align Jaws cursor to PC cursor by pressing Jaws key + Num pad minus key. 
This will bring mouse pointer on the graphic link button.
3. Press mouse left button or / key on num pad to similate mouse left click. In 
some cases nothing happins when / key is pressed. In such a case press shift 
key + /.

Hope this helps.

Thanks.
Alok
 
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Subject: [AI] how to enter on graphical clickable button for submitting aform


 dear friends,
 i need a help. i want to solve some online present papers and there i
 have to hit enter on a sort of submit button but it is in graphical
 design. please, look at the following URL and guide me how to enter on
 this clickable element. i have filled the test paper for two times but
 could not hit enter on that clickable button. the URL is :
 
 http://www.bookrags.com/studyguide-hamlet/free-quiz.html
 
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Re: [AI] AccessIndia Digest, Vol 59, Issue 213

[Alok Kaushik]

Hi Debasish,
Here are the adhoc activities and the time spent.

1. Change to extract and display recruiter's email id in resumes listing 
under super user login .

0.5 person days
2. Analyzing and testing reported issue related to resume deletion by super 
user.

0.25 person days
3. Removing IP address access control for admin and recruiter logins if 
there are no IP addresses added in the database.

1 person day
4. interchange the contents of recruiter and recruiter2 folders and change 
associated header and post-login links to make the second level of 
authentication as discussed. This was fully functional earlier except that 
/recruiter2 was to be used in /recruiter in the URLS

0.25 person days
5. We had an additional designation level 'Fresher' on employees subbdomain, 
which was not present on jobs subdomain. I had to add it and also change the 
data insertion logic for it to make resume migration functional.

0.5 person days



Here is the part of the maintenance agreement that should clarify the 
charging rate.


I.CHARGES  BILLING

 1.. Billing will be done at the rate of Rs. 750 per person hour for the 
purchased capacity.
 2.. If any additional time is required beyond the purchased capacity, Mr. 
Alok Kaushik will do the needful depending upon the availability of time and 
resources.
 3.. Any additional time spent beyond the purchased capacity will be 
charged at 1.25 times of the basic rate.

So the rate in the current scenario is Rs. 750*1.25.

Thanks.
Alok

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Today's Topics:

  1. a message from my friend.. if possible please respond
 immediately... (taha haaziq )
  2. Re: how to add contacts in skype (Sheik Mohammedali)
  3. Reading without seeing at Nagpur (Asudani, Rajesh)
  4. Re: how to add contacts in skype (Kotian, H P)
  5. study material for PCS (J) (Ritesh Goyal)
  6. study material needed for PCS (J) (Ritesh Goyal)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 11:59:33 +0530
From: taha haaziq  tahahaa...@gmail.com
To: access india accessindia@accessindia.org.in, retina india
rpp-in...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AI] a message from my friend.. if possible please respond
immediately...
Message-ID: E61185FE2F88435EB496624D0032CFD5@studio1
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

hi all
the following email is from my friend from goa who is a painter inspite of 
being visually impaired.
she basically  wants to know that whether there are any blind painters in 
india?

please respond.
thanks and regards
her message is as follows.

being visually impaired life has taught me creativity has no boundries. on 
the path of exploring my capabilities time brought before me my capability 
to paint a step into the world of colours.
here by i am looking out for another visually impaired artist or any 
source of information of visually impaired  or blind artists in India.

kindly reach out and keep exploring



taha haaziq

Master Trainer for DAISY Digital Talking Book Production

talking book studio/library in charge
of
Technical Training Institute of PBMA

E-mail: tahahaa...@gmail.com
Mobile: +91 9970620111
Office: +91 20 26870986
+91 20 26870609
skype: taha.haaziq
Address:
vivek apartments, block A3, flat 36, opposite don's garage,
ramtekri,Hadapsar,
Pune 411013.
Maharashtra, India.



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 12:16:08 +0530
From: Sheik Mohammedali shahid.se...@gmail.com
To: inamuddin inamuddi...@gmail.com,
accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] how to add contacts in skype
Message-ID: 4B9AA20D8A21407086F25E66ACF23EFB@Sheik
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
reply-type=response

What ever version of skype you have it doesn't matter.  if we search
somebody in his/her name, there might be sevral.  In order to reach
particular person,  it's better to have his/her unparalleled details such 
as

phone number, email id or skype name itself