Re: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo
Hasan could not use an indian loo, because he was on a wheelchair. Even if he may have been pretending to be disabled, point here is that JJ hospital's infrastructure is not accessible to disabled, otherwise why so much hew and cry, let him use western and accessible loo!!! And, yes, Pradeep, please don't pass judgment without thinking through the issue. If I, having been on the group for more than seven years have posted a mail, and moderator has not reacted to it, it may be presumed that it definitely has some relevance... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pradeep Gupta Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:40 PM To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo If Hasan can not use an Indian loo, what does it have to do with the welfare of the disabled? does this thread have any ralavance in this list? To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo
No Pradeep Criminal antecedents or even proved crime is not a bar to demand accessibility in infrastructure and processes. If a disabled criminal is behind bars, we can and should enquire about prison environment and its accessibility. For instance, if in prison, a convict or any other inmate is given facilities for education, then a disabled inmate has every right to such facilities being accessible to her or him. We cannot say that because a prisoner is hard core criminal so we may not provide for enabling environment for him/her to avail facilities being given to able bodied prisoners. disabled are persons first and foremost and we cannot discount or condition enabling environment by their blamelessness or being free from any vices or crimes. So, even if hasan ali khan may have committed N number of offences, he has every right to accessible infrastructure if it is required by his disability. If disability is feigned, even then if infrastructure is accessible, it can be made available without raising such a hew and cry if things are accessible by and large. Here inaccessible environment is being justified by criminal antecedents of criminal. if disability is pretended, they should prove it and cite it for denying him western commode, or it should be provided without making fuss about it. Do you think situation is any better for criminals or under trials with genuine disabilities? -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pradeep Gupta Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 PM To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo Hi Rajesh, I think you have a point there. A hospital should at least have the basic facilities to be able to catter to the needs of its patients, whether temporarily or permanently disabled. But if a criminal pretends to be disabled, then he should not be given undue sympathy, advantage and favour on this account. at least the disabled welfare organizations should never stand up for him. In this particular case, even a child can judge that Hasan has bribed some officials in order to grab their undue attention. And Vamshi, a criminal should not at all be given undue importance even if he happens to be disabled. If a visually disabled criminal is in jail for raping a visually disabled girl, then his crime is too big to be ignored, and he least deserves publicity on any account. Now if we Access Indians start discussing his case on this forum, doesn't it actually mean that we are indirectly sympathizing with him? To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo
To my reading on the original subject text, I found nowhere accessibility could be construed as Hasan’s real problem. His medical reports showed he had no ailing issue. Yet he was handicapped to use Indian loo. This could be his true contempt to India, or to its legal system in which he was truly implicated. Besides, we should not forget that he was offered a portable Eng. Sheet there for purpose. Should we think that accessibility is the only issue India is left to deal with? A hospital like this where life battles are more intensive, should prioritise life saving issues rather than brainstorming on Indian English toilets. I understand everybody of us Hasan too, is not grown up to his present stature without ever using Indian/Pakistani toilet ever in life. I understand we should be showing somewhat more temperance, at least a couple of times instead of pinpointing each time the old unharmonious melody of topic/off the topic; though, Rajesh, your 7 years’ membership investments in AI, I fail to understand, how would qualify you for a relevant/irrelevant issue not mine for being only a half year’s age? Yes, we are in a great country where we use little faculties to judge whether someone deliberately putting us on tizzy or need based issue, Australian athletes could throw Washing Machine from 8th floor without fear of being FIRed, a school boy may slash his teacher’s face for being stopped from cheating; but not US/UK where even our president would be thorowly checked in, Narain Murthi as a prisoner in South Africa could be dumped in a cellar with only a pothole for toilet facility. We should be tolerant but not weak tender to be exploited in the name of poverty priority. दीनानाथ यादव निजी सचिव - २ This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, Refineries HQ, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo
Pradeep, Chetan, it seems the discussion is loosing its objective and we are discussing crime and criminal antecedents of people and not accessible environment and fundamental freedoms for the persons with disabilities. If toilets are available to prisoners, an accessible toilet has to be mandatorily provided to prisoners with disabilities- even if you think he is pretending to be disabled- for this is not a luxury but a necessity. A western commode is no lavish luxury! Lets not devoid any one of fundamental enablers like accessibility just because of his alleged criminal background. Law should be equal when it come to punishment - be it disabled or non-disabled, but answering to nature calls is basic necessity. Tomorrow people would say that criminals should not be given proper food whereas a balanced diet of food is included under right to life guaranteed by Constitution. This cannot be denied to people merely on the basis of their antecedents or as a punishment. Hope you are able to differentiate between crime resulting in punishment and basic freedoms to ensure right to life. The prison sentence is a punishment. Punishment doesn't include keeping them without food or not allowing them to use accessible toilets! If we do, then perhaps this is a result of hatred towards the person and not the crime he has committed. regards Subhash C Vashishth Advocate-Disability Rights On 14 March 2011 16:55, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote: No Pradeep Criminal antecedents or even proved crime is not a bar to demand accessibility in infrastructure and processes. If a disabled criminal is behind bars, we can and should enquire about prison environment and its accessibility. For instance, if in prison, a convict or any other inmate is given facilities for education, then a disabled inmate has every right to such facilities being accessible to her or him. We cannot say that because a prisoner is hard core criminal so we may not provide for enabling environment for him/her to avail facilities being given to able bodied prisoners. disabled are persons first and foremost and we cannot discount or condition enabling environment by their blamelessness or being free from any vices or crimes. So, even if hasan ali khan may have committed N number of offences, he has every right to accessible infrastructure if it is required by his disability. If disability is feigned, even then if infrastructure is accessible, it can be made available without raising such a hew and cry if things are accessible by and large. Here inaccessible environment is being justified by criminal antecedents of criminal. if disability is pretended, they should prove it and cite it for denying him western commode, or it should be provided without making fuss about it. Do you think situation is any better for criminals or under trials with genuine disabilities? -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pradeep Gupta Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 PM To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo Hi Rajesh, I think you have a point there. A hospital should at least have the basic facilities to be able to catter to the needs of its patients, whether temporarily or permanently disabled. But if a criminal pretends to be disabled, then he should not be given undue sympathy, advantage and favour on this account. at least the disabled welfare organizations should never stand up for him. In this particular case, even a child can judge that Hasan has bribed some officials in order to grab their undue attention. And Vamshi, a criminal should not at all be given undue importance even if he happens to be disabled. If a visually disabled criminal is in jail for raping a visually disabled girl, then his crime is too big to be ignored, and he least deserves publicity on any account. Now if we Access Indians start discussing his case on this forum, doesn't it actually mean that we are indirectly sympathizing with him? To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments
Re: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo
Thank you subhash jee for explaining the things better. Yadav jee, I still maintain I am raising a relevant point when I say accessibility/enablers to give disabled same life amenities is what is called for irrespective of antecedents or situations, for it is an indispensable facet of right to life to have disadvantage caused by out-of-control factors compensated for. I go even further and posit accessibility irrespective of legality which I am pained to say is not comprehended by many as a rule... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of SC Vashishth Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 5:44 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo Pradeep, Chetan, it seems the discussion is loosing its objective and we are discussing crime and criminal antecedents of people and not accessible environment and fundamental freedoms for the persons with disabilities. If toilets are available to prisoners, an accessible toilet has to be mandatorily provided to prisoners with disabilities- even if you think he is pretending to be disabled- for this is not a luxury but a necessity. A western commode is no lavish luxury! Lets not devoid any one of fundamental enablers like accessibility just because of his alleged criminal background. Law should be equal when it come to punishment - be it disabled or non-disabled, but answering to nature calls is basic necessity. Tomorrow people would say that criminals should not be given proper food whereas a balanced diet of food is included under right to life guaranteed by Constitution. This cannot be denied to people merely on the basis of their antecedents or as a punishment. Hope you are able to differentiate between crime resulting in punishment and basic freedoms to ensure right to life. The prison sentence is a punishment. Punishment doesn't include keeping them without food or not allowing them to use accessible toilets! If we do, then perhaps this is a result of hatred towards the person and not the crime he has committed. regards Subhash C Vashishth Advocate-Disability Rights On 14 March 2011 16:55, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote: No Pradeep Criminal antecedents or even proved crime is not a bar to demand accessibility in infrastructure and processes. If a disabled criminal is behind bars, we can and should enquire about prison environment and its accessibility. For instance, if in prison, a convict or any other inmate is given facilities for education, then a disabled inmate has every right to such facilities being accessible to her or him. We cannot say that because a prisoner is hard core criminal so we may not provide for enabling environment for him/her to avail facilities being given to able bodied prisoners. disabled are persons first and foremost and we cannot discount or condition enabling environment by their blamelessness or being free from any vices or crimes. So, even if hasan ali khan may have committed N number of offences, he has every right to accessible infrastructure if it is required by his disability. If disability is feigned, even then if infrastructure is accessible, it can be made available without raising such a hew and cry if things are accessible by and large. Here inaccessible environment is being justified by criminal antecedents of criminal. if disability is pretended, they should prove it and cite it for denying him western commode, or it should be provided without making fuss about it. Do you think situation is any better for criminals or under trials with genuine disabilities? -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pradeep Gupta Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 PM To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo Hi Rajesh, I think you have a point there. A hospital should at least have the basic facilities to be able to catter to the needs of its patients, whether temporarily or permanently disabled. But if a criminal pretends to be disabled, then he should not be given undue sympathy, advantage and favour on this account. at least the disabled welfare organizations should never stand up for him. In this particular case, even a child can judge that Hasan has bribed some officials in order to grab their undue attention. And Vamshi, a criminal should not at all be given undue importance even if he happens to be disabled. If a visually disabled criminal is in jail for raping a visually disabled girl, then his crime is too big to be ignored, and he least deserves publicity on any account. Now if we Access Indians start discussing his case on this forum, doesn't it actually mean that we are indirectly sympathizing with him? To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe
Re: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo
Hai: Let me break my long silence on this forum and share my views on this. FOr your kind information, UK government has recently discussed the right of prisoners to vote in general elections. That the bill was defeated in the House of Commons is another matter. My point is: prisoners have certain basic rights when they serve jail sentence. They are also entitled to basic facilities. So, the logical edxtension of this arguement is that disabled prisoners should have access to all those facilities and their crime or guilt should not come in the way of them serving their sentence in the way the law has allowed them to do. Let us not become moral preachers. What if a person has been accused of a crime in spite of his or her innocence. The time he or she spends in prison they need aces to the basic facilities. So I agree with Rajesh and Vamshi and say that descriminations should not be encouraged even in the case of a criminal. If someone is pretending or is actually crippled by ailments is a medical question. regards, Subramani On 3/14/11, Pradeep Gupta gupta.pradeep...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rajesh, I think you have a point there. A hospital should at least have the basic facilities to be able to catter to the needs of its patients, whether temporarily or permanently disabled. But if a criminal pretends to be disabled, then he should not be given undue sympathy, advantage and favour on this account. at least the disabled welfare organizations should never stand up for him. In this particular case, even a child can judge that Hasan has bribed some officials in order to grab their undue attention. And Vamshi, a criminal should not at all be given undue importance even if he happens to be disabled. If a visually disabled criminal is in jail for raping a visually disabled girl, then his crime is too big to be ignored, and he least deserves publicity on any account. Now if we Access Indians start discussing his case on this forum, doesn't it actually mean that we are indirectly sympathizing with him? To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- L. Subramani, Snr. Subeditor, Deccan Herald, Bangalore, M: 91-9886046612 To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo
So friends, going by your views, accessibility should be allowed to a criminal even if he or she is pretending to be disabled. Now if ahard core criminal pretends to be suddenly blinded while in prison, would you say that the doors of his prison should be opened so he can enjoy the fresh air and the weather? if your answer is yes, we all know what would be the consequences! To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo
Hi Pradeep, Despite detailed and logical explanations by Rajesh, Vasisht, Subramani sirs, you still don't seem to understand the point. 1. If a prisoner is pretending to be disabled, it's up to the medical authorities to prove his guilt. 2. Regarding opening of gates, none of us have said that the gates of the jail should be opened as a part of accessibility need. Even if he asks to open the gates, there is no logic when a blind person asks to open the gates as an accessibility issue. Please don't discuss about pretense aspect as none of us is favourable to it. The only point is that accessibility needs of persons with disabilities should be catered to, whether they are criminals or saints. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 3/14/11, Pradeep Gupta gupta.pradeep...@gmail.com wrote: So friends, going by your views, accessibility should be allowed to a criminal even if he or she is pretending to be disabled. Now if ahard core criminal pretends to be suddenly blinded while in prison, would you say that the doors of his prison should be opened so he can enjoy the fresh air and the weather? if your answer is yes, we all know what would be the consequences! To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo
Let me put an end to this discussion by saying this: our law says a system should never punish the genuine and the innocent who get accidently caught in the legal net for things they don't commit. Also we are talking about prisoners' rights which is besides the crimes they commit for wich they are already punished while entering prison. As the Americans say, you can't fry a man twice for the guilt. rgds, Subramani On 3/14/11, Pradeep Gupta gupta.pradeep...@gmail.com wrote: So friends, going by your views, accessibility should be allowed to a criminal even if he or she is pretending to be disabled. Now if ahard core criminal pretends to be suddenly blinded while in prison, would you say that the doors of his prison should be opened so he can enjoy the fresh air and the weather? if your answer is yes, we all know what would be the consequences! To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- L. Subramani, Snr. Subeditor, Deccan Herald, Bangalore, M: 91-9886046612 To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo
This is an illustration how the criminals behave like prince! It happens only in india! - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Cc: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:05 PM Subject: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo Sources: - http://www.mumbaimirror.com/index.aspx?page=articlesectid=2contentid=2011030920110309032953156a66b331d I can't use an Indian loo, Lata Mishra Posted On Wednesday, March 09, 2011 at 03:29:53 AM The country's biggest tax defaulter displayed the same contempt for Indian loos as he has shown for the country's law. On Tuesday, Hasan Ali Khan, accused of stashing $8 billion of black money abroad, was being questioned by the Enforcement Directorate, when he complained of chest pain, breathlessness and stomach pain and was rushed to the J J Hospital in a police van. Dr T P Lahane, Dean of J J Hospital, said, We did an ECG and blood pressure test and both were normal. Other tests also confirmed that his kidneys are fully functional. After the tests, Khan was declared fit to be taken away. But the drama had just begun. Khan who was dressed in a plain white kurta and trouser, and had been waiting in the hospital's emergency ward for hours, wanted to use a washroom and was directed to an Indian loo. Police and staff from JJ Hospital help Hasan Ali Khan sit in a wheelchair before taking him to the toilet Khan refused to use it and demanded a Western style seat instead. He said he is unable to walk, and for the five hours that he was here, he was in a wheel chair, said a medical officer in the casualty ward. I asked a ward boy to bring a pot so that he can urinate here. However Khan refused saying he wanted to be taken to a toilet. When the ward boy directed him the patient's toilet, Khan again refused saying that it is an Indian toilet and he only used a western one, added the officer. Khan's princely demand raised a lot of eyebrows at the hospital. We were stunned that in spite of being in custody, Khan was making such demands, said the officer. With Khan insisting on a Western loo and the hospital staff refusing to relent, the standoff continued for a while until the cops intervened and Khan was taken to a female medical officer's cabin which was in another building. For the five hours that Khan was at JJ Hospital, the place had virtually turned into a fortress with heavy security bandobast. One of the officers on duty complained, Look at his histrionics. He wants to use the loo and we have been out on alert for hours! With thanks and regards (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager Reserve Bank of India Nagpur Cell: 9420397185 o: +91 712 2806846 R: 2591349 The path from dreams to success does exist. May you have the vision to find it, the courage to get on to it, and the perseverance to follow it. Wishing you great journey. -Kalpana Chawla (An excert from the e-mail Kalpana sent to the students of Punjab Engineering College from aboard Columbia.) The path from dreams to success does exist. May you have the vision to find it, the courage to get on to it, and the perseverance to follow it. Wishing you great journey. -Kalpana Chawla (An excert from the e mail sent from Columbia -mail Kalpana sent to the students of Punjab Engineering College from aboard Columbia.) Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo
Hi Chetan sony, That's the very point of the discussion. As other needs, even accessibility should also be taken care as one of the basic needs for criminals. When a prisoner needs to go to the toilet, he can't be denied the toilet facility on the ground of his crime. In the same way, an accessible toilet should also be provided depending upon his physical needs. I heard about a NGO director being imprisoned for raping blind girls in his NGO at Delhi. There was appreciation that court didn't discriminate on the ground of his disability while punishing him. Now that he is in the jail, his accessibility needs should also be taken care of. It will be good if someone can interview him about the life of visually challenged people in prisons and suggest the same to the committee. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 3/13/11, Chetan Soni chetanson...@gmail.com wrote: This is an illustration how the criminals behave like prince! It happens only in india! - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Cc: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:05 PM Subject: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo Sources: - http://www.mumbaimirror.com/index.aspx?page=articlesectid=2contentid=2011030920110309032953156a66b331d I can't use an Indian loo, Lata Mishra Posted On Wednesday, March 09, 2011 at 03:29:53 AM The country's biggest tax defaulter displayed the same contempt for Indian loos as he has shown for the country's law. On Tuesday, Hasan Ali Khan, accused of stashing $8 billion of black money abroad, was being questioned by the Enforcement Directorate, when he complained of chest pain, breathlessness and stomach pain and was rushed to the J J Hospital in a police van. Dr T P Lahane, Dean of J J Hospital, said, We did an ECG and blood pressure test and both were normal. Other tests also confirmed that his kidneys are fully functional. After the tests, Khan was declared fit to be taken away. But the drama had just begun. Khan who was dressed in a plain white kurta and trouser, and had been waiting in the hospital's emergency ward for hours, wanted to use a washroom and was directed to an Indian loo. Police and staff from JJ Hospital help Hasan Ali Khan sit in a wheelchair before taking him to the toilet Khan refused to use it and demanded a Western style seat instead. He said he is unable to walk, and for the five hours that he was here, he was in a wheel chair, said a medical officer in the casualty ward. I asked a ward boy to bring a pot so that he can urinate here. However Khan refused saying he wanted to be taken to a toilet. When the ward boy directed him the patient's toilet, Khan again refused saying that it is an Indian toilet and he only used a western one, added the officer. Khan's princely demand raised a lot of eyebrows at the hospital. We were stunned that in spite of being in custody, Khan was making such demands, said the officer. With Khan insisting on a Western loo and the hospital staff refusing to relent, the standoff continued for a while until the cops intervened and Khan was taken to a female medical officer's cabin which was in another building. For the five hours that Khan was at JJ Hospital, the place had virtually turned into a fortress with heavy security bandobast. One of the officers on duty complained, Look at his histrionics. He wants to use the loo and we have been out on alert for hours! With thanks and regards (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager Reserve Bank of India Nagpur Cell: 9420397185 o: +91 712 2806846 R: 2591349 The path from dreams to success does exist. May you have the vision to find it, the courage to get on to it, and the perseverance to follow it. Wishing you great journey. -Kalpana Chawla (An excert from the e-mail Kalpana sent to the students of Punjab Engineering College from aboard Columbia.) The path from dreams to success does exist. May you have the vision to find it, the courage to get on to it, and the perseverance to follow it. Wishing you great journey. -Kalpana Chawla (An excert from the e mail sent from Columbia -mail Kalpana sent to the students of Punjab Engineering College from aboard Columbia.) Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately
[AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo
Sources: - http://www.mumbaimirror.com/index.aspx?page=articlesectid=2contentid=2011030920110309032953156a66b331d I can't use an Indian loo, Lata Mishra Posted On Wednesday, March 09, 2011 at 03:29:53 AM The country's biggest tax defaulter displayed the same contempt for Indian loos as he has shown for the country's law. On Tuesday, Hasan Ali Khan, accused of stashing $8 billion of black money abroad, was being questioned by the Enforcement Directorate, when he complained of chest pain, breathlessness and stomach pain and was rushed to the J J Hospital in a police van. Dr T P Lahane, Dean of J J Hospital, said, We did an ECG and blood pressure test and both were normal. Other tests also confirmed that his kidneys are fully functional. After the tests, Khan was declared fit to be taken away. But the drama had just begun. Khan who was dressed in a plain white kurta and trouser, and had been waiting in the hospital's emergency ward for hours, wanted to use a washroom and was directed to an Indian loo. Police and staff from JJ Hospital help Hasan Ali Khan sit in a wheelchair before taking him to the toilet Khan refused to use it and demanded a Western style seat instead. He said he is unable to walk, and for the five hours that he was here, he was in a wheel chair, said a medical officer in the casualty ward. I asked a ward boy to bring a pot so that he can urinate here. However Khan refused saying he wanted to be taken to a toilet. When the ward boy directed him the patient's toilet, Khan again refused saying that it is an Indian toilet and he only used a western one, added the officer. Khan's princely demand raised a lot of eyebrows at the hospital. We were stunned that in spite of being in custody, Khan was making such demands, said the officer. With Khan insisting on a Western loo and the hospital staff refusing to relent, the standoff continued for a while until the cops intervened and Khan was taken to a female medical officer's cabin which was in another building. For the five hours that Khan was at JJ Hospital, the place had virtually turned into a fortress with heavy security bandobast. One of the officers on duty complained, Look at his histrionics. He wants to use the loo and we have been out on alert for hours! With thanks and regards (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager Reserve Bank of India Nagpur Cell: 9420397185 o: +91 712 2806846 R: 2591349 The path from dreams to success does exist. May you have the vision to find it, the courage to get on to it, and the perseverance to follow it. Wishing you great journey. -Kalpana Chawla (An excert from the e-mail Kalpana sent to the students of Punjab Engineering College from aboard Columbia.) The path from dreams to success does exist. May you have the vision to find it, the courage to get on to it, and the perseverance to follow it. Wishing you great journey. -Kalpana Chawla (An excert from the e mail sent from Columbia -mail Kalpana sent to the students of Punjab Engineering College from aboard Columbia.) Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo
To me it appears outright an accessibility issue, having nothing to do with alleged criminality. In fact, I propose that all places of confinement and law enforcement machinery should be duly accessible, particularly hospitals. Snippet: We were stunned that in spite of being in custody, Khan was making such demands, said the officer. Such assertions reflect lack of any disability rights awareness on part of law enforcers. Beside, another related issue is accessibility independent of legality. I am afraid nobody is ready to even discuss it at present. Even this honorable group had debarred such contentions in the case of P.C. Thahir, who was summarily expelled. I am including accessibility of prisons, and even accessibility independent of legality already in my comments on the law. Rajesh From: Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:06 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Cc: Asudani, Rajesh Subject: I cannot use an Indian Loo Sources: - http://www.mumbaimirror.com/index.aspx?page=articlesectid=2contentid=2011030920110309032953156a66b331d I can't use an Indian loo, Lata Mishra Posted On Wednesday, March 09, 2011 at 03:29:53 AM The country's biggest tax defaulter displayed the same contempt for Indian loos as he has shown for the country's law. On Tuesday, Hasan Ali Khan, accused of stashing $8 billion of black money abroad, was being questioned by the Enforcement Directorate, when he complained of chest pain, breathlessness and stomach pain and was rushed to the J J Hospital in a police van. Dr T P Lahane, Dean of J J Hospital, said, We did an ECG and blood pressure test and both were normal. Other tests also confirmed that his kidneys are fully functional. After the tests, Khan was declared fit to be taken away. But the drama had just begun. Khan who was dressed in a plain white kurta and trouser, and had been waiting in the hospital's emergency ward for hours, wanted to use a washroom and was directed to an Indian loo. Police and staff from JJ Hospital help Hasan Ali Khan sit in a wheelchair before taking him to the toilet Khan refused to use it and demanded a Western style seat instead. He said he is unable to walk, and for the five hours that he was here, he was in a wheel chair, said a medical officer in the casualty ward. I asked a ward boy to bring a pot so that he can urinate here. However Khan refused saying he wanted to be taken to a toilet. When the ward boy directed him the patient's toilet, Khan again refused saying that it is an Indian toilet and he only used a western one, added the officer. Khan's princely demand raised a lot of eyebrows at the hospital. We were stunned that in spite of being in custody, Khan was making such demands, said the officer. With Khan insisting on a Western loo and the hospital staff refusing to relent, the standoff continued for a while until the cops intervened and Khan was taken to a female medical officer's cabin which was in another building. For the five hours that Khan was at JJ Hospital, the place had virtually turned into a fortress with heavy security bandobast. One of the officers on duty complained, Look at his histrionics. He wants to use the loo and we have been out on alert for hours! With thanks and regards (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager Reserve Bank of India Nagpur Cell: 9420397185 o: +91 712 2806846 R: 2591349 The path from dreams to success does exist. May you have the vision to find it, the courage to get on to it, and the perseverance to follow it. Wishing you great journey. -Kalpana Chawla (An excert from the e-mail Kalpana sent to the students of Punjab Engineering College from aboard Columbia.) The path from dreams to success does exist. May you have the vision to find it, the courage to get on to it, and the perseverance to follow it. Wishing you great journey. -Kalpana Chawla (An excert from the e mail sent from Columbia -mail Kalpana sent to the students of Punjab Engineering College from aboard Columbia.) Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes,
Re: [AI] I cannot use an Indian Loo
Thank you Rajesh for sharing this news and your viewpoints. Since I have the exposure of working with state torture and first hand experience of working with women prisoners, while the draft was getting prepared I wrote to the committee members to include these issues in the draft law. Though I do not see any reflections of the same in the draft. Along with Senior Medical Officer of Alipore Correctional Home of Kolkata, I am trying to write down exact suggestions so that we can send them to the committee as he also feels inadequacy while dealing with prisoners with disabilities. With regards Shampa Sengupta Sruti Disability Rights Centre Kolkata On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.inwrote: To me it appears outright an accessibility issue, having nothing to do with alleged criminality. In fact, I propose that all places of confinement and law enforcement machinery should be duly accessible, particularly hospitals. Snippet: We were stunned that in spite of being in custody, Khan was making such demands, said the officer. Such assertions reflect lack of any disability rights awareness on part of law enforcers. Beside, another related issue is accessibility independent of legality. I am afraid nobody is ready to even discuss it at present. Even this honorable group had debarred such contentions in the case of P.C. Thahir, who was summarily expelled. I am including accessibility of prisons, and even accessibility independent of legality already in my comments on the law. Rajesh From: Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:06 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Cc: Asudani, Rajesh Subject: I cannot use an Indian Loo Sources: - http://www.mumbaimirror.com/index.aspx?page=articlesectid=2contentid=2011030920110309032953156a66b331d I can't use an Indian loo, Lata Mishra Posted On Wednesday, March 09, 2011 at 03:29:53 AM The country's biggest tax defaulter displayed the same contempt for Indian loos as he has shown for the country's law. On Tuesday, Hasan Ali Khan, accused of stashing $8 billion of black money abroad, was being questioned by the Enforcement Directorate, when he complained of chest pain, breathlessness and stomach pain and was rushed to the J J Hospital in a police van. Dr T P Lahane, Dean of J J Hospital, said, We did an ECG and blood pressure test and both were normal. Other tests also confirmed that his kidneys are fully functional. After the tests, Khan was declared fit to be taken away. But the drama had just begun. Khan who was dressed in a plain white kurta and trouser, and had been waiting in the hospital's emergency ward for hours, wanted to use a washroom and was directed to an Indian loo. Police and staff from JJ Hospital help Hasan Ali Khan sit in a wheelchair before taking him to the toilet Khan refused to use it and demanded a Western style seat instead. He said he is unable to walk, and for the five hours that he was here, he was in a wheel chair, said a medical officer in the casualty ward. I asked a ward boy to bring a pot so that he can urinate here. However Khan refused saying he wanted to be taken to a toilet. When the ward boy directed him the patient's toilet, Khan again refused saying that it is an Indian toilet and he only used a western one, added the officer. Khan's princely demand raised a lot of eyebrows at the hospital. We were stunned that in spite of being in custody, Khan was making such demands, said the officer. With Khan insisting on a Western loo and the hospital staff refusing to relent, the standoff continued for a while until the cops intervened and Khan was taken to a female medical officer's cabin which was in another building. For the five hours that Khan was at JJ Hospital, the place had virtually turned into a fortress with heavy security bandobast. One of the officers on duty complained, Look at his histrionics. He wants to use the loo and we have been out on alert for hours! With thanks and regards (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager Reserve Bank of India Nagpur Cell: 9420397185 o: +91 712 2806846 R: 2591349 The path from dreams to success does exist. May you have the vision to find it, the courage to get on to it, and the perseverance to follow it. Wishing you great journey. -Kalpana Chawla (An excert from the e-mail Kalpana sent to the students of Punjab Engineering College from aboard Columbia.) The path from dreams to success does exist. May you have the vision to find it, the courage to get on to it, and the perseverance to follow it. Wishing you great journey. -Kalpana Chawla (An excert from the e mail sent from Columbia -mail Kalpana sent to the students of Punjab Engineering College from aboard Columbia.) Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the
