Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice

2020-02-16 Thread Satguru Rathi
Thanks sir for clerification. So, If Nuance still holds the ownership to 
Eloquence, and is charging for the same, there is no question for it to 
be available free of cost. Even if you mod it and change the name to 
something else, the voice and other functionalities remain same and 
would come under the violation of copyright laws. I will put stop to 
this thread from my side and would leave it for the moderators to decide.




With best regards,
Satguru Rathi
Mobile: +919871489945, +919315516985

On 17-02-2020 09:31 am, dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello friends,

Providing clarity about Indo-NVDA license.

The NVDA provided by Saksham is named Indo-NVDA. This  includes license for 
Nuance Vocalizer and Eloquence voices. Our License agreement with Nuance 
specifically mentions Nuance Vocalizer and Eloquence voices. Nuance holds the  
ownership of Eloquence. Else, this would not be sold by Nuance to its venders. 
If there is any distribution of Eloquence possible without  taking license from 
Nuance, then I am not aware of it and an not in position to comment on it.

Thus, be assured, there is nothing shady going on at Saksham.

You get the following with the Indo-NVDA package:

  Installer with Indian Language Vocalizer voices and Eloquence
Add-on for any other Vocalizer voice on request.
Support services

This is what Saksham charges for and it is all  fully legal and  transparent.

We always had a dream that Indian languages need to be supported in the screen 
reading software and I am very satisfied that with the efforts of Saksham and 
several partner  organizations such as CIS, Hans foundation, Hear2Read and 
Nuance Vocalizer team we have TTS available for 16 Indian languages.

In addition to the distribution  of special Indo-NVDA, Saksham is also involved 
in adding India specific features in the open source NVDA available from 
NV-Access. Whatever is possible to be made part of NVDA is released as open 
source package itself. Support for reading graphs in excel,  the  all the 
features available through NVDA-F7 key in Excel. Sentence reading with alt-down 
arrow in MS word,  phonetic clarity of character with  double click  of 
NVDA-dot (.) for Indian languages, are few of these. We do not restrict outcome 
of our work just to the licensed copy of Indo-NVDA. This is to make  clear that 
profit and money  has never been the motive for our work in this field. Several 
outstanding and extremely talented individuals and entities have contributed to 
make this possible.

While we are on the topic of Indo-NVDA, the current version of Vocalizer 
add-ons provided with Indo-NVDA are not compatible with NVDA 19.3. Thus do not 
upgrade to 19.3 till new version of Indo-NVDA is released.
Feel free to write to Saksham for any clarification.

Thanks
Dipendra





-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia  On Behalf Of john 
clayton
Sent: 16 February 2020 11:17
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled. 
Subject: Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice

Hi,
  I always thought that was a bit shady of them (Saksham) to do that, But to be 
perfectly honest with you, they could be either charging for the other 2 
scansoft? nuance voices, or the eloquence they addon they bundled in worked on 
some other licensing deal.
  I haven't used that particular version myself, so can't speak with clarity.
  If they were using the same version of the eloquence addon and were charging 
for it, it was definitely not right of them to do so,  but Saksham will need to 
be the one to speak up on it as all I will end up doing here would be 
speculation.
   I know what I know, as the addon was developed in a community I was a part 
of.

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 at 10:21, Satguru Rathi  wrote:


But then Saksham was charging for the eloquence and the Indian voices
for NVDA and for that Eloquence internet was only required while
installing the package as registration was supposed to be happening at
Saksham server. Now how can it happen that where there is a free
eloquence is available (no crack) as John states, and at the same time
Saksham is charging for the same. Strange?



With best regards,
Satguru Rathi
Mobile: +919871489945, +919315516985

On 15-02-2020 08:50 pm, john clayton wrote:

Hi,
   Both of you are not entirely correct.
   The previous version of eloquence addon that worked with NVDA
versions older than 2019.3, was not cracked/ pirated in any way, but
was not authorised by Nuance or nvda either. It was developed by an
anonymous person because talks by the NVDA team had failed to
acquire the licence to it, as NVDA would then need to charge its
users per copy of

nvda

downloaded and used with eloquence as demanded by Nuance.
   Codefactory later on started selling a version of eloquence which

doesn't

work if you aren't connected to the internet so would be money down
the drain, specially for people in india, where internet
connectivity isn't exactly great.
   The current version

Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice

2020-02-16 Thread dipendra.lists
Hello friends,

Providing clarity about Indo-NVDA license.

The NVDA provided by Saksham is named Indo-NVDA. This  includes license for 
Nuance Vocalizer and Eloquence voices. Our License agreement with Nuance 
specifically mentions Nuance Vocalizer and Eloquence voices. Nuance holds the  
ownership of Eloquence. Else, this would not be sold by Nuance to its venders. 
If there is any distribution of Eloquence possible without  taking license from 
Nuance, then I am not aware of it and an not in position to comment on it.

Thus, be assured, there is nothing shady going on at Saksham.

You get the following with the Indo-NVDA package:

 Installer with Indian Language Vocalizer voices and Eloquence
Add-on for any other Vocalizer voice on request.
Support services

This is what Saksham charges for and it is all  fully legal and  transparent.

We always had a dream that Indian languages need to be supported in the screen 
reading software and I am very satisfied that with the efforts of Saksham and 
several partner  organizations such as CIS, Hans foundation, Hear2Read and 
Nuance Vocalizer team we have TTS available for 16 Indian languages.  

In addition to the distribution  of special Indo-NVDA, Saksham is also involved 
in adding India specific features in the open source NVDA available from 
NV-Access. Whatever is possible to be made part of NVDA is released as open 
source package itself. Support for reading graphs in excel,  the  all the 
features available through NVDA-F7 key in Excel. Sentence reading with alt-down 
arrow in MS word,  phonetic clarity of character with  double click  of 
NVDA-dot (.) for Indian languages, are few of these. We do not restrict outcome 
of our work just to the licensed copy of Indo-NVDA. This is to make  clear that 
profit and money  has never been the motive for our work in this field. Several 
outstanding and extremely talented individuals and entities have contributed to 
make this possible. 

While we are on the topic of Indo-NVDA, the current version of Vocalizer 
add-ons provided with Indo-NVDA are not compatible with NVDA 19.3. Thus do not 
upgrade to 19.3 till new version of Indo-NVDA is released.
Feel free to write to Saksham for any clarification.

Thanks
Dipendra





-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia  On Behalf Of john 
clayton
Sent: 16 February 2020 11:17
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled. 
Subject: Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice

Hi,
 I always thought that was a bit shady of them (Saksham) to do that, But to be 
perfectly honest with you, they could be either charging for the other 2 
scansoft? nuance voices, or the eloquence they addon they bundled in worked on 
some other licensing deal.
 I haven't used that particular version myself, so can't speak with clarity.
 If they were using the same version of the eloquence addon and were charging 
for it, it was definitely not right of them to do so,  but Saksham will need to 
be the one to speak up on it as all I will end up doing here would be 
speculation.
  I know what I know, as the addon was developed in a community I was a part of.

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 at 10:21, Satguru Rathi  wrote:

> But then Saksham was charging for the eloquence and the Indian voices 
> for NVDA and for that Eloquence internet was only required while 
> installing the package as registration was supposed to be happening at 
> Saksham server. Now how can it happen that where there is a free 
> eloquence is available (no crack) as John states, and at the same time 
> Saksham is charging for the same. Strange?
>
>
>
> With best regards,
> Satguru Rathi
> Mobile: +919871489945, +919315516985
>
> On 15-02-2020 08:50 pm, john clayton wrote:
> > Hi,
> >   Both of you are not entirely correct.
> >   The previous version of eloquence addon that worked with NVDA 
> > versions older than 2019.3, was not cracked/ pirated in any way, but 
> > was not authorised by Nuance or nvda either. It was developed by an 
> > anonymous person because talks by the NVDA team had failed to 
> > acquire the licence to it, as NVDA would then need to charge its 
> > users per copy of
> nvda
> > downloaded and used with eloquence as demanded by Nuance.
> >   Codefactory later on started selling a version of eloquence which
> doesn't
> > work if you aren't connected to the internet so would be money down 
> > the drain, specially for people in india, where internet 
> > connectivity isn't exactly great.
> >   The current version of the eloquence Addon is even more cleaner 
> > and
> avoids
> > those grey areas as its just the IBM driver, and people need to 
> > source
> the
> > copy of the eloquence synths themselves from something like the 
> > older version of the addon, cursvale etc etc.
> >   So whilst the statement that

Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice

2020-02-16 Thread john clayton
gt;>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Though Eloquence is no longer being developed, and previous one being
> >>>> offered by the same site too, was not an authorized one, I wonder if
> >>>> this can be considered as valid one as this is a modded version of
> >>>> the previous Eloquence by the same people and may violate the
> >>>> copyright laws. Using it or not is a personal choice but sharing it
> >>>> on the group needs to be re-thought.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> With best regards,
> >>>> Satguru Rathi
> >>>> Mobile: +919871489945, +919315516985
> >>>>
> >>>> On 13-02-2020 06:35 pm, B. R. Nautial wrote:
> >>>>> Hello Sir!
> >>>>> You can download the latest IBM synthasizer through the given link.
> >>>>> you need to install the same like earlier eloquence.
> >>>>>
> >>
> https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1yTD174vaMapYHJ_ixxHTeXmCFTCOAbz1=download
> >>>>> - Original Message - From: "Harish Kumar P Kotian"
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> >>>>> concerning the disabled." 
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:25 AM
> >>>>> Subject: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> All
> >>>>>> Pl find below a post from George which did not get on the list.
> >>>>>> I am also responding with  inline.
> >>>>>> Harish.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Quoting:
> >>>>>> Just yesterday, I believe the latest update from NVDA was released.
> >>>>>> I downloaded the same and installed. I was surprise when the
> >>>>>> voice/speech had dramatically dropped in quality. No idea how I can
> >>>>>> restore the earlier voice quality. Presently it is quite an
> >>>>>> irritant to use NVDA. Any way out?
> >>>>>>  It is because most of the plugins have to be updated. You may
> >>>>>> change the TTS to Windows Core voice for the present until there is
> >>>>>> clarity and fix for the add-ons.
> >>>>>> Harish
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> George Abraham
> >>>>>> CEO
> >>>>>> Score Foundation
> >>>>>> 17/107 LGF
> >>>>>> Vikram Vihar
> >>>>>> Lajpat Nagar 4
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Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice

2020-02-15 Thread Satguru Rathi
Hello Sir!
You can download the latest IBM synthasizer through the given link.
you need to install the same like earlier eloquence.


https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1yTD174vaMapYHJ_ixxHTeXmCFTCOAbz1=download

- Original Message - From: "Harish Kumar P Kotian"

To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning the disabled." 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:25 AM
Subject: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice



All
Pl find below a post from George which did not get on the list.
I am also responding with  inline.
Harish.

Quoting:
Just yesterday, I believe the latest update from NVDA was released.
I downloaded the same and installed. I was surprise when the
voice/speech had dramatically dropped in quality. No idea how I can
restore the earlier voice quality. Presently it is quite an
irritant to use NVDA. Any way out?
 It is because most of the plugins have to be updated. You may
change the TTS to Windows Core voice for the present until there is
clarity and fix for the add-ons.
Harish

George Abraham
CEO
Score Foundation
17/107 LGF
Vikram Vihar
Lajpat Nagar 4
New Delhi 110024
Email: geo...@eyeway.org
Ph: +91 11 26472581/2
Mob: +91 9810934040
Website: www.scorefoundation.org.in , www.eyeway.org
Twitter: @georgebhai
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Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice

2020-02-15 Thread Satguru Rathi
But then Saksham was charging for the eloquence and the Indian voices 
for NVDA and for that Eloquence internet was only required while 
installing the package as registration was supposed to be happening at 
Saksham server. Now how can it happen that where there is a free 
eloquence is available (no crack) as John states, and at the same time 
Saksham is charging for the same. Strange?




With best regards,
Satguru Rathi
Mobile: +919871489945, +919315516985

On 15-02-2020 08:50 pm, john clayton wrote:

Hi,
  Both of you are not entirely correct.
  The previous version of eloquence addon that worked with NVDA versions
older than 2019.3, was not cracked/ pirated in any way, but was not
authorised by Nuance or nvda either. It was developed by an
anonymous person because talks by the NVDA team had failed to acquire the
licence to it, as NVDA would then need to charge its users per copy of nvda
downloaded and used with eloquence as demanded by Nuance.
  Codefactory later on started selling a version of eloquence which doesn't
work if you aren't connected to the internet so would be money down the
drain, specially for people in india, where internet connectivity isn't
exactly great.
  The current version of the eloquence Addon is even more cleaner and avoids
those grey areas as its just the IBM driver, and people need to source the
copy of the eloquence synths themselves from something like the
older version of the addon, cursvale etc etc.
  So whilst the statement that cracked software can not be used with nvda as
it's open sourced is incorrect (have seen a few around), The eloquence
addon that works with 2019.2 and older wasn't exactly piracy either.
  Chil down and hold your horses, mates.
   hth some.



On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 12:40, Satguru Rathi  wrote:


Hi,


I don't know where do you get your facts from as you have said "Since
NVDA is open source software & crack software can't work with this one".
As you remember, the previous eloquence was not a valid one and was
indeed a cracked one. I don't remember seeing anywhere anything being
said about eloquence being made open source. Being an open source
software doesn't mean you can not use some crack addon with that. And,
modding something to something and changing the name doesn't make that
thing one's property and eloquence was and remains to this day a
copyright property unless the original developers choose to declare it
open source which they haven't yet done. I will no more right on this
and will leave it for the moderators to decide. If you think you can
convince them for the legality of your post, I have no problem and have
nothing against you personally.




With best regards,
Satguru Rathi
Mobile: +919871489945, +919315516985

On 14-02-2020 07:10 pm, B. R. Nautial wrote:

Since NVDA is open sourse software & crack software can't work with
this one. Though this belongs to another company but its not a crack
one. previously many of us were using mobile speak, it was also from
Code Factory instead of Talks software. I know the rules and
regulations of this group very well.
- Original Message - From: "Satguru Rathi"

To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning the disabled." 
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDvoice



Hi,


Though Eloquence is no longer being developed, and previous one being
offered by the same site too, was not an authorized one, I wonder if
this can be considered as valid one as this is a modded version of
the previous Eloquence by the same people and may violate the
copyright laws. Using it or not is a personal choice but sharing it
on the group needs to be re-thought.



With best regards,
Satguru Rathi
Mobile: +919871489945, +919315516985

On 13-02-2020 06:35 pm, B. R. Nautial wrote:

Hello Sir!
You can download the latest IBM synthasizer through the given link.
you need to install the same like earlier eloquence.


https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1yTD174vaMapYHJ_ixxHTeXmCFTCOAbz1=download

- Original Message - From: "Harish Kumar P Kotian"

To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning the disabled." 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:25 AM
Subject: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice



All
Pl find below a post from George which did not get on the list.
I am also responding with  inline.
Harish.

Quoting:
Just yesterday, I believe the latest update from NVDA was released.
I downloaded the same and installed. I was surprise when the
voice/speech had dramatically dropped in quality. No idea how I can
restore the earlier voice quality. Presently it is quite an
irritant to use NVDA. Any way out?
 It is because most of the plugins have to be updated. You may
change the TTS to Windows Core voice for the present until there is
clarity and fix for the add-ons.
Harish

George Abraham
CEO
Score Foundation
17/107 LGF
Vikram Vihar
Lajpat Nagar 4
New Delhi 1100

Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice

2020-02-15 Thread john clayton
Hi,
 Both of you are not entirely correct.
 The previous version of eloquence addon that worked with NVDA versions
older than 2019.3, was not cracked/ pirated in any way, but was not
authorised by Nuance or nvda either. It was developed by an
anonymous person because talks by the NVDA team had failed to acquire the
licence to it, as NVDA would then need to charge its users per copy of nvda
downloaded and used with eloquence as demanded by Nuance.
 Codefactory later on started selling a version of eloquence which doesn't
work if you aren't connected to the internet so would be money down the
drain, specially for people in india, where internet connectivity isn't
exactly great.
 The current version of the eloquence Addon is even more cleaner and avoids
those grey areas as its just the IBM driver, and people need to source the
copy of the eloquence synths themselves from something like the
older version of the addon, cursvale etc etc.
 So whilst the statement that cracked software can not be used with nvda as
it's open sourced is incorrect (have seen a few around), The eloquence
addon that works with 2019.2 and older wasn't exactly piracy either.
 Chil down and hold your horses, mates.
  hth some.



On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 12:40, Satguru Rathi  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> I don't know where do you get your facts from as you have said "Since
> NVDA is open source software & crack software can't work with this one".
> As you remember, the previous eloquence was not a valid one and was
> indeed a cracked one. I don't remember seeing anywhere anything being
> said about eloquence being made open source. Being an open source
> software doesn't mean you can not use some crack addon with that. And,
> modding something to something and changing the name doesn't make that
> thing one's property and eloquence was and remains to this day a
> copyright property unless the original developers choose to declare it
> open source which they haven't yet done. I will no more right on this
> and will leave it for the moderators to decide. If you think you can
> convince them for the legality of your post, I have no problem and have
> nothing against you personally.
>
>
>
>
> With best regards,
> Satguru Rathi
> Mobile: +919871489945, +919315516985
>
> On 14-02-2020 07:10 pm, B. R. Nautial wrote:
> > Since NVDA is open sourse software & crack software can't work with
> > this one. Though this belongs to another company but its not a crack
> > one. previously many of us were using mobile speak, it was also from
> > Code Factory instead of Talks software. I know the rules and
> > regulations of this group very well.
> > - Original Message - From: "Satguru Rathi"
> > 
> > To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> > concerning the disabled." 
> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 11:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDvoice
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>
> >> Though Eloquence is no longer being developed, and previous one being
> >> offered by the same site too, was not an authorized one, I wonder if
> >> this can be considered as valid one as this is a modded version of
> >> the previous Eloquence by the same people and may violate the
> >> copyright laws. Using it or not is a personal choice but sharing it
> >> on the group needs to be re-thought.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> With best regards,
> >> Satguru Rathi
> >> Mobile: +919871489945, +919315516985
> >>
> >> On 13-02-2020 06:35 pm, B. R. Nautial wrote:
> >>> Hello Sir!
> >>> You can download the latest IBM synthasizer through the given link.
> >>> you need to install the same like earlier eloquence.
> >>>
> https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1yTD174vaMapYHJ_ixxHTeXmCFTCOAbz1=download
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message - From: "Harish Kumar P Kotian"
> >>> 
> >>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> >>> concerning the disabled." 
> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:25 AM
> >>> Subject: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> All
> >>>> Pl find below a post from George which did not get on the list.
> >>>> I am also responding with  inline.
> >>>> Harish.
> >>>>
> >>>> Quoting:
> >>>> Just yesterday, I believe the latest update from NVDA was released.
> >>>> I downloaded the same and installed. I was surprise when the
> >>>> voice/speech had dramatically dropped in 

Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice

2020-02-14 Thread Satguru Rathi

Hi,


I don't know where do you get your facts from as you have said "Since 
NVDA is open source software & crack software can't work with this one". 
As you remember, the previous eloquence was not a valid one and was 
indeed a cracked one. I don't remember seeing anywhere anything being 
said about eloquence being made open source. Being an open source 
software doesn't mean you can not use some crack addon with that. And, 
modding something to something and changing the name doesn't make that 
thing one's property and eloquence was and remains to this day a 
copyright property unless the original developers choose to declare it 
open source which they haven't yet done. I will no more right on this 
and will leave it for the moderators to decide. If you think you can 
convince them for the legality of your post, I have no problem and have 
nothing against you personally.





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On 14-02-2020 07:10 pm, B. R. Nautial wrote:
Since NVDA is open sourse software & crack software can't work with 
this one. Though this belongs to another company but its not a crack 
one. previously many of us were using mobile speak, it was also from 
Code Factory instead of Talks software. I know the rules and 
regulations of this group very well.
- Original Message - From: "Satguru Rathi" 

To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning the disabled." 

Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDvoice



Hi,


Though Eloquence is no longer being developed, and previous one being 
offered by the same site too, was not an authorized one, I wonder if 
this can be considered as valid one as this is a modded version of 
the previous Eloquence by the same people and may violate the 
copyright laws. Using it or not is a personal choice but sharing it 
on the group needs to be re-thought.




With best regards,
Satguru Rathi
Mobile: +919871489945, +919315516985

On 13-02-2020 06:35 pm, B. R. Nautial wrote:

Hello Sir!
You can download the latest IBM synthasizer through the given link. 
you need to install the same like earlier eloquence.
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1yTD174vaMapYHJ_ixxHTeXmCFTCOAbz1=download 

- Original Message - From: "Harish Kumar P Kotian" 

To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning the disabled." 

Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:25 AM
Subject: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice



All
Pl find below a post from George which did not get on the list.
I am also responding with  inline.
Harish.

Quoting:
Just yesterday, I believe the latest update from NVDA was released. 
I downloaded the same and installed. I was surprise when the 
voice/speech had dramatically dropped in quality. No idea how I can 
restore the earlier voice quality. Presently it is quite an 
irritant to use NVDA. Any way out?
 It is because most of the plugins have to be updated. You may 
change the TTS to Windows Core voice for the present until there is 
clarity and fix for the add-ons.

Harish

George Abraham
CEO
Score Foundation
17/107 LGF
Vikram Vihar
Lajpat Nagar 4
New Delhi 110024
Email: geo...@eyeway.org
Ph: +91 11 26472581/2
Mob: +91 9810934040
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Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice

2020-02-14 Thread B. R. Nautial
Since NVDA is open sourse software & crack software can't work with this 
one. Though this belongs to another company but its not a crack one. 
previously many of us were using mobile speak, it was also from Code Factory 
instead of Talks software. I know the rules and regulations of this group 
very well.
- Original Message - 
From: "Satguru Rathi" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled." 

Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDvoice



Hi,


Though Eloquence is no longer being developed, and previous one being 
offered by the same site too, was not an authorized one, I wonder if this 
can be considered as valid one as this is a modded version of the previous 
Eloquence by the same people and may violate the copyright laws. Using it 
or not is a personal choice but sharing it on the group needs to be 
re-thought.




With best regards,
Satguru Rathi
Mobile: +919871489945, +919315516985

On 13-02-2020 06:35 pm, B. R. Nautial wrote:

Hello Sir!
You can download the latest IBM synthasizer through the given link. you 
need to install the same like earlier eloquence.

https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1yTD174vaMapYHJ_ixxHTeXmCFTCOAbz1=download
- Original Message - From: "Harish Kumar P Kotian" 

To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning the disabled." 

Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:25 AM
Subject: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice



All
Pl find below a post from George which did not get on the list.
I am also responding with  inline.
Harish.

Quoting:
Just yesterday, I believe the latest update from NVDA was released. I 
downloaded the same and installed. I was surprise when the voice/speech 
had dramatically dropped in quality. No idea how I can restore the 
earlier voice quality. Presently it is quite an irritant to use NVDA. 
Any way out?
 It is because most of the plugins have to be updated. You may 
change the TTS to Windows Core voice for the present until there is 
clarity and fix for the add-ons.

Harish

George Abraham
CEO
Score Foundation
17/107 LGF
Vikram Vihar
Lajpat Nagar 4
New Delhi 110024
Email: geo...@eyeway.org
Ph: +91 11 26472581/2
Mob: +91 9810934040
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Twitter: @georgebhai
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Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice

2020-02-13 Thread Satguru Rathi

Hi,


Though Eloquence is no longer being developed, and previous one being 
offered by the same site too, was not an authorized one, I wonder if 
this can be considered as valid one as this is a modded version of the 
previous Eloquence by the same people and may violate the copyright 
laws. Using it or not is a personal choice but sharing it on the group 
needs to be re-thought.




With best regards,
Satguru Rathi
Mobile: +919871489945, +919315516985

On 13-02-2020 06:35 pm, B. R. Nautial wrote:

Hello Sir!
You can download the latest IBM synthasizer through the given link. 
you need to install the same like earlier eloquence.
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1yTD174vaMapYHJ_ixxHTeXmCFTCOAbz1=download 

- Original Message - From: "Harish Kumar P Kotian" 

To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning the disabled." 

Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:25 AM
Subject: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice



All
Pl find below a post from George which did not get on the list.
I am also responding with  inline.
Harish.

Quoting:
Just yesterday, I believe the latest update from NVDA was released. I 
downloaded the same and installed. I was surprise when the 
voice/speech had dramatically dropped in quality. No idea how I can 
restore the earlier voice quality. Presently it is quite an irritant 
to use NVDA. Any way out?
 It is because most of the plugins have to be updated. You may 
change the TTS to Windows Core voice for the present until there is 
clarity and fix for the add-ons.

Harish

George Abraham
CEO
Score Foundation
17/107  LGF
Vikram Vihar
Lajpat Nagar 4
New Delhi 110024
Email: geo...@eyeway.org
Ph: +91 11 26472581/2
Mob: +91 9810934040
Website: www.scorefoundation.org.in , www.eyeway.org
Twitter: @georgebhai
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Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice

2020-02-13 Thread George Abraham
Thanks! This works!

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of B. R. Nautial
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:36 PM
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the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice

Hello Sir!
You can download the latest IBM synthasizer through the given link. you need
to install the same like earlier eloquence.
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1yTD174vaMapYHJ_ixxHTeXmCFTCOAbz1=down
load
- Original Message -
From: "Harish Kumar P Kotian" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled." 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:25 AM
Subject: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice


> All
> Pl find below a post from George which did not get on the list.
> I am also responding with  inline.
> Harish.
>
> Quoting:
> Just yesterday, I believe the latest update from NVDA was released. I 
> downloaded the same and installed. I was surprise when the 
> voice/speech had dramatically dropped in quality. No idea how I can 
> restore the earlier voice quality. Presently it is quite an irritant to
use NVDA. Any way out?
>  It is because most of the plugins have to be updated. You may 
> change the TTS to Windows Core voice for the present until there is 
> clarity and fix for the add-ons.
> Harish
>
> George Abraham
> CEO
> Score Foundation
> 17/107  LGF
> Vikram Vihar
> Lajpat Nagar 4
> New Delhi 110024
> Email: geo...@eyeway.org
> Ph: +91 11 26472581/2
> Mob: +91 9810934040
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> Twitter: @georgebhai
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Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice

2020-02-13 Thread B. R. Nautial

Hello Sir!
You can download the latest IBM synthasizer through the given link. you need 
to install the same like earlier eloquence.

https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1yTD174vaMapYHJ_ixxHTeXmCFTCOAbz1=download
- Original Message - 
From: "Harish Kumar P Kotian" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled." 

Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:25 AM
Subject: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice



All
Pl find below a post from George which did not get on the list.
I am also responding with  inline.
Harish.

Quoting:
Just yesterday, I believe the latest update from NVDA was released. I 
downloaded the same and installed. I was surprise when the voice/speech 
had dramatically dropped in quality. No idea how I can restore the earlier 
voice quality. Presently it is quite an irritant to use NVDA. Any way out?
 It is because most of the plugins have to be updated. You may change 
the TTS to Windows Core voice for the present until there is clarity and 
fix for the add-ons.

Harish

George Abraham
CEO
Score Foundation
17/107  LGF
Vikram Vihar
Lajpat Nagar 4
New Delhi 110024
Email: geo...@eyeway.org
Ph: +91 11 26472581/2
Mob: +91 9810934040
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Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice

2020-02-12 Thread Aravind R
moreover, george sir has not mentioned which voice quality has
dropped. because there is no change in quality of ESpeak or windows1
core voices.

On 13/02/2020, Satguru Rathi  wrote:
> Hi sir,
>
>
> As Harish ji mentioned, the NVDA 2019.3.1 has moved to Pythen 3 making
> it impossible to use addons developed for earlier versions of NVDA.
> Hence, for the time being, either use ESpeak or Windows core voice which
> has better quality than ESpeak. The fix for the same is coming out very
> soon.
>
>
>
> With best regards,
> Satguru Rathi
> Mobile: +919871489945, +919315516985
>
> On 13-02-2020 10:25 am, Harish Kumar P Kotian wrote:
>> All
>> Pl find below a post from George which did not get on the list.
>> I am also responding with  inline.
>> Harish.
>>
>> Quoting:
>> Just yesterday, I believe the latest update from NVDA was released. I
>> downloaded the same and installed. I was surprise when the voice/speech
>> had dramatically dropped in quality. No idea how I can restore the earlier
>> voice quality. Presently it is quite an irritant to use NVDA. Any way
>> out?
>>  It is because most of the plugins have to be updated. You may change
>> the TTS to Windows Core voice for the present until there is clarity and
>> fix for the add-ons.
>> Harish
>>
>> George Abraham
>> CEO
>> Score Foundation
>> 17/107  LGF
>> Vikram Vihar
>> Lajpat Nagar 4
>> New Delhi 110024
>> Email: geo...@eyeway.org
>> Ph: +91 11 26472581/2
>> Mob: +91 9810934040
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>> Twitter: @georgebhai
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Re: [AI] Irritant with NVDA voice

2020-02-12 Thread Satguru Rathi

Hi sir,


As Harish ji mentioned, the NVDA 2019.3.1 has moved to Pythen 3 making 
it impossible to use addons developed for earlier versions of NVDA. 
Hence, for the time being, either use ESpeak or Windows core voice which 
has better quality than ESpeak. The fix for the same is coming out very 
soon.




With best regards,
Satguru Rathi
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On 13-02-2020 10:25 am, Harish Kumar P Kotian wrote:

All
Pl find below a post from George which did not get on the list.
I am also responding with  inline.
Harish.

Quoting:
Just yesterday, I believe the latest update from NVDA was released. I 
downloaded the same and installed. I was surprise when the voice/speech had 
dramatically dropped in quality. No idea how I can restore the earlier voice 
quality. Presently it is quite an irritant to use NVDA. Any way out?
 It is because most of the plugins have to be updated. You may change the 
TTS to Windows Core voice for the present until there is clarity and fix for the 
add-ons.
Harish

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[AI] Irritant with NVDA voice

2020-02-12 Thread Harish Kumar P Kotian
All
Pl find below a post from George which did not get on the list.
I am also responding with  inline.
Harish.

Quoting:
Just yesterday, I believe the latest update from NVDA was released. I 
downloaded the same and installed. I was surprise when the voice/speech had 
dramatically dropped in quality. No idea how I can restore the earlier voice 
quality. Presently it is quite an irritant to use NVDA. Any way out?
 It is because most of the plugins have to be updated. You may change the 
TTS to Windows Core voice for the present until there is clarity and fix for 
the add-ons.
Harish

George Abraham
CEO
Score Foundation
17/107  LGF
Vikram Vihar
Lajpat Nagar 4
New Delhi 110024
Email: geo...@eyeway.org
Ph: +91 11 26472581/2
Mob: +91 9810934040
Website: www.scorefoundation.org.in , www.eyeway.org
Twitter: @georgebhai
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