[AI] Job for Computer Teacher
-- Mobile 08010663328 09268704236 Hi Friends! There is a job for computer teacher in National Association for the Blind Faridabad in Haryana State Branch. NAB Faridabad is looking for female computer teacher for teaching visually impaired students. NAB Faridabad conducts six months computer training for visually impaired students. In this training, they teach Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, Internet and Windows etc. anyone can apply except visually impaired person. Requirements: Educational Qualification B.A. Technical Qualification: Diploma or six months certificate etc. Good English Salary: 7000 to 1 and according to performance. Contact: 08010663328 E-mail: yusuftajma...@gmail.com Contact soon Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher
"anyone can apply except visually impaired person. " if this is the case means you don't need to post in this platform. On 5/20/13, yusuf abbasi wrote: > -- > Mobile 08010663328 > 09268704236 > Hi Friends! > There is a job for computer teacher in National Association for the > Blind Faridabad in Haryana State Branch. > NAB Faridabad is looking for female computer teacher for teaching > visually impaired students. > NAB Faridabad conducts six months computer training for visually > impaired students. > In this training, they teach Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, Internet > and Windows etc. > anyone can apply except visually impaired person. > Requirements: Educational Qualification B.A. > Technical Qualification: Diploma or six months certificate etc. > Good English > Salary: 7000 to 1 and according to performance. > Contact: 08010663328 > E-mail: yusuftajma...@gmail.com > Contact soon > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > -- *Learn from Yesterday, Live for Today, Hope for Tomorrow & Do Take care* Jyothi B. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher
Hi friends, This line hurts me a lot. "anyone can apply except visually impaired person. " I am really sorry if it is wrong to comment on this issue on this list. But I would like to have the openion of the person who had posted this information. I need fue clarifications like: 1. Why visually challenged teachers are not allowed to apply for this post, when it is ment for teaching computers to the visually challenged students? 2. These days many visually challenged people are trying to do their best to creat awareness, How we can handle things confidently! Then why this discrimination? I have seen many challenged people doing their duties confidently and achieving the goals in short time. But I really feel sad to hear this line. Sorry. It is not my intention to hurt some one. but these are my feelings after getting so much hurt to the words. Thanks for reading. -- With best wishes, B. Vikrambabu. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher
it's really disheartening to see such kinds of discrimgnation prfvail. I believe no visually challenged folks should enroll for such cousses, so that the discriminators get the message. Besides that, the legal fraternity on/off the list can take the mattfr ahead. On 5/20/13, vikram babu wrote: > Hi friends, > > This line hurts me a lot. "anyone can apply except visually impaired person. > " > I am really sorry if it is wrong to comment on this issue on this > list. But I would like to have the openion of the person who had > posted this information. I need fue clarifications like: > > 1. Why visually challenged teachers are not allowed to apply for this > post, when it is ment for teaching computers to the visually > challenged students? > 2. These days many visually challenged people are trying to do their > best to creat awareness, How we can handle things confidently! Then > why this discrimination? > > I have seen many challenged people doing their duties confidently and > achieving the goals in short time. But I really feel sad to hear this > line. Sorry. It is not my intention to hurt some one. but these are my > feelings after getting so much hurt to the words. > Thanks for reading. > -- > With best wishes, > B. Vikrambabu. > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > -- Best Regards, Zujar... An optimist laughs to forget, whereas a pessimist forgets to laugh! Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher
On 5/20/13, B Jyothi wrote: > "anyone can apply except visually impaired person. " > > if this is the case means you don't need to post in this platform. > > > On 5/20/13, yusuf abbasi wrote: >> -- >> Mobile 08010663328 >> 09268704236 >> Hi Friends! >> There is a job for computer teacher in National Association for the >> Blind Faridabad in Haryana State Branch. >> NAB Faridabad is looking for female computer teacher for teaching >> visually impaired students. >> NAB Faridabad conducts six months computer training for visually >> impaired students. >> In this training, they teach Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, Internet >> and Windows etc. >> anyone can apply except visually impaired person. >> Requirements: Educational Qualification B.A. >> Technical Qualification: Diploma or six months certificate etc. >> Good English >> Salary: 7000 to 1 and according to performance. >> Contact: 08010663328 >> E-mail: yusuftajma...@gmail.com >> Contact soon >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >> of >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the >> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails >> sent through this mailing list.. >> > > > -- > *Learn from Yesterday, Live for Today, Hope for Tomorrow & Do Take > care* > > Jyothi B. > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > -- Mobile 08010663328 09268704236 We have visually impaired teachers. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher
Hi guys, This is really sad discrimination and news. I think to some extent, we are giving them the chance to underestimate visually challenge people or teachers. As an employer myself who is dedicated to recruiting disabled people, feel that visually challenged people will not take active step in learning to fulfill work role. Most people show their disability and escape from work and give out en number of reasons for coming on time and much more. I do understand that all visually challenged people are not lazy but most of them though. I compare visually challenged people with other disabilities and found that most visually challenged people are not active and never attempt to learn. Sorry if this hurts but this is high time that we all should change ourselves and should not expect easy things and work. Work environment is always challenging irrespective of once disability. So employers will be confident once we start to show at most dedication. I understand various reasons being saying visually challenged people should not apply. For example, how can you fix power and hardware connections? How can you work on inaccessible applications while teaching? If the computer crashes and freezes how can you fix. These are few reasons maybe they are thinking. If you can do all these things, then we have to let employers know. my ideas are based on Personal experience. Regards, -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of vikram babu Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:33 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher Hi friends, This line hurts me a lot. "anyone can apply except visually impaired person. " I am really sorry if it is wrong to comment on this issue on this list. But I would like to have the openion of the person who had posted this information. I need fue clarifications like: 1. Why visually challenged teachers are not allowed to apply for this post, when it is ment for teaching computers to the visually challenged students? 2. These days many visually challenged people are trying to do their best to creat awareness, How we can handle things confidently! Then why this discrimination? I have seen many challenged people doing their duties confidently and achieving the goals in short time. But I really feel sad to hear this line. Sorry. It is not my intention to hurt some one. but these are my feelings after getting so much hurt to the words. Thanks for reading. -- With best wishes, B. Vikrambabu. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher
This is ridiculous. I actually did not read the actual email when I replied to earlier email. I do understand with regular organizations but why NAB is not allowing VI computer instructors? Is this not clearly hindering the talents of visually challenged people? Someone should enquire with concern branch and find out reasons behind not allowing VI instructors. If the reasons are fare, then it's fine otherwise, we should maybe educate the branch or take the matter to higher authorities. Regards, -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of yusuf abbasi Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 3:14 AM To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher -- Mobile 08010663328 09268704236 Hi Friends! There is a job for computer teacher in National Association for the Blind Faridabad in Haryana State Branch. NAB Faridabad is looking for female computer teacher for teaching visually impaired students. NAB Faridabad conducts six months computer training for visually impaired students. In this training, they teach Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, Internet and Windows etc. anyone can apply except visually impaired person. Requirements: Educational Qualification B.A. Technical Qualification: Diploma or six months certificate etc. Good English Salary: 7000 to 1 and according to performance. Contact: 08010663328 E-mail: yusuftajma...@gmail.com Contact soon Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher
I think this is not any kind of discrimination against visually challanged community. This is the endeavor to give the best so that the teacher could handle all odd situations which a visually challanged teacher cann't handle, provided that sighted teacher is well-grounded in assistive technology. May be that organization is looking someone who could do some importent work even outside the computer classes which can be done by a sighted person only. So don't blaim the organization here and treat it as in the interest of students. On 5/21/13, srikanth bolla wrote: > Hi guys, > This is really sad discrimination and news. I think to some extent, we > are giving them the chance to underestimate visually challenge people or > teachers. As an employer myself who is dedicated to recruiting disabled > people, feel that visually challenged people will not take active > step > in learning to fulfill work role. Most people show their disability and > escape from work and give out en number of reasons for coming on time and > much more. I do understand that all visually challenged people are not > lazy > but most of them though. I compare visually challenged people with other > disabilities and found that most visually challenged people are not active > and never attempt to learn. Sorry if this hurts but this is high time that > we all should change ourselves and should not expect easy things and work. > Work environment is always challenging irrespective of once disability. So > employers will be confident once we start to show at most dedication. I > understand various reasons being saying visually challenged people should > not apply. For example, how can you fix power and hardware connections? How > can you work on inaccessible applications while teaching? If the computer > crashes and freezes how can you fix. These are few reasons maybe they are > thinking. If you can do all these things, then we have to let employers > know. my ideas are based on Personal experience. Regards, > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of vikram babu > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:33 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher > > Hi friends, > > This line hurts me a lot. "anyone can apply except visually impaired > person. > " > I am really sorry if it is wrong to comment on this issue on this list. But > I would like to have the openion of the person who had posted this > information. I need fue clarifications like: > > 1. Why visually challenged teachers are not allowed to apply for this post, > when it is ment for teaching computers to the visually challenged students? > 2. These days many visually challenged people are trying to do their best > to > creat awareness, How we can handle things confidently! Then why this > discrimination? > > I have seen many challenged people doing their duties confidently and > achieving the goals in short time. But I really feel sad to hear this line. > Sorry. It is not my intention to hurt some one. but these are my feelings > after getting so much hurt to the words. > Thanks for reading. > -- > With best wishes, > B. Vikrambabu. > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind > ia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of > the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at >
Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher
Hello all, I do agree with some observation made by some members that most of VI people barring a few, don't match the challenging environment of corporate/private establishments. However, How many Sighted know that there is something called jaws? How many know that blind uses keyboard and not mouse? How many know that there is something called assistive technology? How many of you agree that a sighted people can teach better computer than a visually-impaired to a visually-impaired? And how many sighted people are aware about number and number of jaws commands? And list goes on and on! The Primary job of a computer instructor is to impart the computer knowledge to trainees and not to repair the computers! I wonder that how an organization dedicated to welfare of visually-impaired can publish such and laughable ad prescribing the idiotic qualification! Computer Training center for visually-impaired, but Trainee should not be visually-impaired!! Thanks, On 5/21/13, Mohib Anwar Rafel wrote: > I think this is not any kind of discrimination against visually > challanged community. This is the endeavor to give the best so that > the teacher could handle all odd situations which a visually > challanged teacher cann't handle, provided that sighted teacher is > well-grounded in assistive technology. May be that organization is > looking someone who could do some importent work even outside the > computer classes which can be done by a sighted person only. So don't > blaim the organization here and treat it as in the interest of > students. > > On 5/21/13, srikanth bolla wrote: >> Hi guys, >> This is really sad discrimination and news. I think to some extent, >> we >> are giving them the chance to underestimate visually challenge people or >> teachers. As an employer myself who is dedicated to recruiting disabled >> people, feel that visually challenged people will not take active >> step >> in learning to fulfill work role. Most people show their disability and >> escape from work and give out en number of reasons for coming on time and >> much more. I do understand that all visually challenged people are not >> lazy >> but most of them though. I compare visually challenged people with other >> disabilities and found that most visually challenged people are not >> active >> and never attempt to learn. Sorry if this hurts but this is high time >> that >> we all should change ourselves and should not expect easy things and >> work. >> Work environment is always challenging irrespective of once disability. >> So >> employers will be confident once we start to show at most dedication. I >> understand various reasons being saying visually challenged people should >> not apply. For example, how can you fix power and hardware connections? >> How >> can you work on inaccessible applications while teaching? If the computer >> crashes and freezes how can you fix. These are few reasons maybe they are >> thinking. If you can do all these things, then we have to let employers >> know. my ideas are based on Personal experience. Regards, >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of vikram babu >> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:33 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher >> >> Hi friends, >> >> This line hurts me a lot. "anyone can apply except visually impaired >> person. >> " >> I am really sorry if it is wrong to comment on this issue on this list. >> But >> I would like to have the openion of the person who had posted this >> information. I need fue clarifications like: >> >> 1. Why visually challenged teachers are not allowed to apply for this >> post, >> when it is ment for teaching computers to the visually challenged >> students? >> 2. These days many visually challenged people are trying to do their best >> to >> creat awareness, How we can handle things confidently! Then why this >> discrimination? >> >> I have seen many challenged people doing their duties confidently and >> achieving the goals in short time. But I really feel sad to hear this >> line. >> Sorry. It is not my intention to hurt some one. but these are my feelings >> after getting so much hurt to the words. >> Thanks for reading. >> -- >> With best wishes, >> B. Vikrambabu. >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >> of >> mobile phones / Tabs o
Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher
So, they should not call the post a computer instructor, rather they should call it a callboy/call girl If NAB says computer instructor but not for VI, then, NAB has forfeited all rights to be a so-called representative organization... They should take a lesson or two in modern jurisprudence which has concepts of reasonable accommodation and non handicapping environment well grounded. Actually, NAB has been flaunting slogans like: "Do you know blind can drive" on their site and misleading the public at large. NAB India general secretary has publicly proclaimed more than once that reservation to disabled/VI is against principles of equality So, the approach is more than clear. Let us collectively take up cudgels against such approach and such institutions -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafel Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:20 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher I think this is not any kind of discrimination against visually challanged community. This is the endeavor to give the best so that the teacher could handle all odd situations which a visually challanged teacher cann't handle, provided that sighted teacher is well-grounded in assistive technology. May be that organization is looking someone who could do some importent work even outside the computer classes which can be done by a sighted person only. So don't blaim the organization here and treat it as in the interest of students. On 5/21/13, srikanth bolla wrote: > Hi guys, > This is really sad discrimination and news. I think to some extent, we > are giving them the chance to underestimate visually challenge people or > teachers. As an employer myself who is dedicated to recruiting disabled > people, feel that visually challenged people will not take active > step > in learning to fulfill work role. Most people show their disability and > escape from work and give out en number of reasons for coming on time and > much more. I do understand that all visually challenged people are not > lazy > but most of them though. I compare visually challenged people with other > disabilities and found that most visually challenged people are not active > and never attempt to learn. Sorry if this hurts but this is high time that > we all should change ourselves and should not expect easy things and work. > Work environment is always challenging irrespective of once disability. So > employers will be confident once we start to show at most dedication. I > understand various reasons being saying visually challenged people should > not apply. For example, how can you fix power and hardware connections? How > can you work on inaccessible applications while teaching? If the computer > crashes and freezes how can you fix. These are few reasons maybe they are > thinking. If you can do all these things, then we have to let employers > know. my ideas are based on Personal experience. Regards, > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of vikram babu > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:33 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher > > Hi friends, > > This line hurts me a lot. "anyone can apply except visually impaired > person. > " > I am really sorry if it is wrong to comment on this issue on this list. But > I would like to have the openion of the person who had posted this > information. I need fue clarifications like: > > 1. Why visually challenged teachers are not allowed to apply for this post, > when it is ment for teaching computers to the visually challenged students? > 2. These days many visually challenged people are trying to do their best > to > creat awareness, How we can handle things confidently! Then why this > discrimination? > > I have seen many challenged people doing their duties confidently and > achieving the goals in short time. But I really feel sad to hear this line. > Sorry. It is not my intention to hurt some one. but these are my feelings > after getting so much hurt to the words. > Thanks for reading. > -- > With best wishes, > B. Vikrambabu. > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind > ia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription
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I cann't understand one point here that is there any violation of any legal orfundamental right of visually challanged community? Why you don't challange the appointment of various nondisabled welfare officers and high officials who are appointed for the public assistance of the handicapped persons? They are not aware of special needs and all around development of disabled community. Do you remember it is first time when a visually challanged person has been appointed as chief commissioner for persons with disabilities. All the time they have been appointing such persons who are not even aware of basic legal provisions and their special treatment! Why are you people crying so long then? Therefore this is not matter of discrimination and infringement of right, but yes I do agree that that the sighted teacher should be well versed in operation of assistive technology, and I think the organization will take care of this matter. I am of the view that these organizations should promote employment opportunities for disabled community first but if they have serious reservations while doing so then we should not condemn their decisions, however either of two should not be done at the cost of optimum learning entourage. On 5/21/13, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > So, they should not call the post a computer instructor, rather they should > call it a callboy/call girl > > If NAB says computer instructor but not for VI, then, NAB has forfeited all > rights to be a so-called representative organization... > > They should take a lesson or two in modern jurisprudence which has concepts > of reasonable accommodation and non handicapping environment well grounded. > > Actually, NAB has been flaunting slogans like: > "Do you know blind can drive" > on their site and misleading the public at large. > > NAB India general secretary has publicly proclaimed more than once that > reservation to disabled/VI is against principles of equality > So, the approach is more than clear. > > Let us collectively take up cudgels against such approach and such > institutions > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Mohib Anwar Rafel > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:20 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher > > I think this is not any kind of discrimination against visually > challanged community. This is the endeavor to give the best so that > the teacher could handle all odd situations which a visually > challanged teacher cann't handle, provided that sighted teacher is > well-grounded in assistive technology. May be that organization is > looking someone who could do some importent work even outside the > computer classes which can be done by a sighted person only. So don't > blaim the organization here and treat it as in the interest of > students. > > On 5/21/13, srikanth bolla wrote: >> Hi guys, >> This is really sad discrimination and news. I think to some extent, >> we >> are giving them the chance to underestimate visually challenge people or >> teachers. As an employer myself who is dedicated to recruiting disabled >> people, feel that visually challenged people will not take active >> step >> in learning to fulfill work role. Most people show their disability and >> escape from work and give out en number of reasons for coming on time and >> much more. I do understand that all visually challenged people are not >> lazy >> but most of them though. I compare visually challenged people with other >> disabilities and found that most visually challenged people are not >> active >> and never attempt to learn. Sorry if this hurts but this is high time >> that >> we all should change ourselves and should not expect easy things and >> work. >> Work environment is always challenging irrespective of once disability. >> So >> employers will be confident once we start to show at most dedication. I >> understand various reasons being saying visually challenged people should >> not apply. For example, how can you fix power and hardware connections? >> How >> can you work on inaccessible applications while teaching? If the computer >> crashes and freezes how can you fix. These are few reasons maybe they are >> thinking. If you can do all these things, then we have to let employers >> know. my ideas are based on Personal experience. Regards, >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of vikram babu >> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:33 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >&
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I agree with Rajeshjee/Srikanth’s views towards billow news regarding NAB’s attitude towards VI appointment. Infact if I am not too wrong this is only the institute which should promote VI employment opportunity. If what ever even they might have to get done extra work from non VI, why VI unable to do it? Also, If NAB goes on saying that VI could do every thing isn’t it this time they are not living what they teach others? Though some how we are no 1 to force any institute to dictate our terms but I would like to request incase if there is any 1 on this list who could convey our request to NAB branch to re-consider above criteria and pleas also do give equal opportunity to any competent VI. Regards Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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Further to all what has been said here, the add also states that they are looking for female candidates only whereas, the traineees are both male and female. I wonder how a female would teach better than the male candidates? I personally know the person who has posted this and he himself is a visually impaired person and is currently holding that post there. Is this requirement of a sighted candidate an indicator of he not performing his duties well? Even if this is the case, NAB can always consult the organisations who are more experienced in tteaching computer to blind. Satguru ___,__.___ "Life's battle do not always go, to the stronger or faster man. But sooner or later the one who wins, is the one who thinks he can." Satguru Rathi. Mobile: +91-9871489945 Email: satgurura...@yahoo.co.in satg...@saksham.org Skype: satgururathi Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/satguru.rathi.9 Website: www.saksham.org -Original Message- From: yusuf abbasi Sent: Monday, 20 May, 2013 12:44 PM To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher -- Mobile 08010663328 09268704236 Hi Friends! There is a job for computer teacher in National Association for the Blind Faridabad in Haryana State Branch. NAB Faridabad is looking for female computer teacher for teaching visually impaired students. NAB Faridabad conducts six months computer training for visually impaired students. In this training, they teach Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, Internet and Windows etc. anyone can apply except visually impaired person. Requirements: Educational Qualification B.A. Technical Qualification: Diploma or six months certificate etc. Good English Salary: 7000 to 1 and according to performance. Contact: 08010663328 E-mail: yusuftajma...@gmail.com Contact soon Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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"Anyone can apply except visually impaired"? So that additional tasks can also be taken care of by computer instructor. and the female the candidate the better chances of huge donation is intended here perhaps. Believe it or not, NGOs working for blind which have emulated corporate driven model has adopted this gender-specific preference to voo more and more donation for delivering services and increasing infrastructure. Note: I am not questioning ladies ability to inculcate computer training on an equal footing, and would have been happier if NAB Faridabad had given livelihood opportunity to woman with blindness for the said post. Remember when your bread and butter and rising Petrol price is dependent on taking donation in the name of providing services to blind then please don't demean fellow beings by not considering them for a post which is meant to serve their brethrens. I've many times written on this list to guard NGOs representative to be honest in their service delivery responsibility. Otherwise, time is not far, parallel body like Controler and auditor General will start auditing your financial spending and expenditure soon. Only conducting elections for reelection doesn't ensure credibility. There's one of the highly valued principle of governance exists that is, 'transparency' which is sadly lacking in most of the NGOs working for blind beneficiaries. This particular advertisement needs to be redesigned. On 5/21/13, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > So, they should not call the post a computer instructor, rather they should > call it a callboy/call girl > > If NAB says computer instructor but not for VI, then, NAB has forfeited all > rights to be a so-called representative organization... > > They should take a lesson or two in modern jurisprudence which has concepts > of reasonable accommodation and non handicapping environment well grounded. > > Actually, NAB has been flaunting slogans like: > "Do you know blind can drive" > on their site and misleading the public at large. > > NAB India general secretary has publicly proclaimed more than once that > reservation to disabled/VI is against principles of equality > So, the approach is more than clear. > > Let us collectively take up cudgels against such approach and such > institutions > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Mohib Anwar Rafel > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:20 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher > > I think this is not any kind of discrimination against visually > challanged community. This is the endeavor to give the best so that > the teacher could handle all odd situations which a visually > challanged teacher cann't handle, provided that sighted teacher is > well-grounded in assistive technology. May be that organization is > looking someone who could do some importent work even outside the > computer classes which can be done by a sighted person only. So don't > blaim the organization here and treat it as in the interest of > students. > > On 5/21/13, srikanth bolla wrote: >> Hi guys, >> This is really sad discrimination and news. I think to some extent, >> we >> are giving them the chance to underestimate visually challenge people or >> teachers. As an employer myself who is dedicated to recruiting disabled >> people, feel that visually challenged people will not take active >> step >> in learning to fulfill work role. Most people show their disability and >> escape from work and give out en number of reasons for coming on time and >> much more. I do understand that all visually challenged people are not >> lazy >> but most of them though. I compare visually challenged people with other >> disabilities and found that most visually challenged people are not >> active >> and never attempt to learn. Sorry if this hurts but this is high time >> that >> we all should change ourselves and should not expect easy things and >> work. >> Work environment is always challenging irrespective of once disability. >> So >> employers will be confident once we start to show at most dedication. I >> understand various reasons being saying visually challenged people should >> not apply. For example, how can you fix power and hardware connections? >> How >> can you work on inaccessible applications while teaching? If the computer >> crashes and freezes how can you fix. These are few reasons maybe they are >> thinking. If you can do all these things, then we have to let employers >> know. my ideas are based on Personal experience. Regards, >> >
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And sorry for furthering this thread But one more question has just arrived in my mind, thanks to this unique advertisement. Lets conduct a survey and find out, in major NGOs working for blind what are the ratio of totally blind, partially blind and sighted as computer instructors? If anyone of you has this info from Delhi please share with us. and friends from different parts of India, you also contribute then the real finding will help us in construing this trend better. Help us please. And don't hesitate to share in public. These NGOs are accountable to us. On 5/21/13, avinash shahi wrote: > "Anyone can apply except visually impaired"? > So that additional tasks can also be taken care of by computer > instructor. and the female the candidate the better chances of huge > donation is intended here perhaps. Believe it or not, NGOs working for > blind which have emulated corporate driven model has adopted this > gender-specific preference to voo more and more donation for > delivering services and increasing infrastructure. > Note: I am not questioning ladies ability to inculcate computer > training on an equal footing, and would have been happier if NAB > Faridabad had given livelihood opportunity to woman with blindness for > the said post. > Remember when your bread and butter and rising Petrol price is > dependent on taking donation in the name of providing services to > blind then please don't demean fellow beings by not considering them > for a post which is meant to serve their brethrens. > I've many times written on this list to guard NGOs representative to > be honest in their service delivery responsibility. > Otherwise, time is not far, parallel body like Controler and auditor > General will start auditing your financial spending and expenditure > soon. > Only conducting elections for reelection doesn't ensure credibility. > There's one of the highly valued principle of governance exists that > is, 'transparency' which is sadly lacking in most of the NGOs working > for blind beneficiaries. > This particular advertisement needs to be redesigned. > On 5/21/13, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> So, they should not call the post a computer instructor, rather they >> should >> call it a callboy/call girl >> >> If NAB says computer instructor but not for VI, then, NAB has forfeited >> all >> rights to be a so-called representative organization... >> >> They should take a lesson or two in modern jurisprudence which has >> concepts >> of reasonable accommodation and non handicapping environment well >> grounded. >> >> Actually, NAB has been flaunting slogans like: >> "Do you know blind can drive" >> on their site and misleading the public at large. >> >> NAB India general secretary has publicly proclaimed more than once that >> reservation to disabled/VI is against principles of equality >> So, the approach is more than clear. >> >> Let us collectively take up cudgels against such approach and such >> institutions >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of Mohib Anwar Rafel >> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:20 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher >> >> I think this is not any kind of discrimination against visually >> challanged community. This is the endeavor to give the best so that >> the teacher could handle all odd situations which a visually >> challanged teacher cann't handle, provided that sighted teacher is >> well-grounded in assistive technology. May be that organization is >> looking someone who could do some importent work even outside the >> computer classes which can be done by a sighted person only. So don't >> blaim the organization here and treat it as in the interest of >> students. >> >> On 5/21/13, srikanth bolla wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> This is really sad discrimination and news. I think to some extent, >>> we >>> are giving them the chance to underestimate visually challenge people or >>> teachers. As an employer myself who is dedicated to recruiting >>> disabled >>> people, feel that visually challenged people will not take active >>> step >>> in learning to fulfill work role. Most people show their disability >>> and >>> escape from work and give out en number of reasons for coming on time >>> and >>> much more. I do understand that all visually challenged people are not >>> lazy >>> but most o
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Yes, fundamental rights are violated. You cannot preclude a VI from contesting for the job... Please do have a crash course in Indian laws, if you would. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafel Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:48 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher I cann't understand one point here that is there any violation of any legal orfundamental right of visually challanged community? Why you don't challange the appointment of various nondisabled welfare officers and high officials who are appointed for the public assistance of the handicapped persons? They are not aware of special needs and all around development of disabled community. Do you remember it is first time when a visually challanged person has been appointed as chief commissioner for persons with disabilities. All the time they have been appointing such persons who are not even aware of basic legal provisions and their special treatment! Why are you people crying so long then? Therefore this is not matter of discrimination and infringement of right, but yes I do agree that that the sighted teacher should be well versed in operation of assistive technology, and I think the organization will take care of this matter. I am of the view that these organizations should promote employment opportunities for disabled community first but if they have serious reservations while doing so then we should not condemn their decisions, however either of two should not be done at the cost of optimum learning entourage. On 5/21/13, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > So, they should not call the post a computer instructor, rather they should > call it a callboy/call girl > > If NAB says computer instructor but not for VI, then, NAB has forfeited all > rights to be a so-called representative organization... > > They should take a lesson or two in modern jurisprudence which has concepts > of reasonable accommodation and non handicapping environment well grounded. > > Actually, NAB has been flaunting slogans like: > "Do you know blind can drive" > on their site and misleading the public at large. > > NAB India general secretary has publicly proclaimed more than once that > reservation to disabled/VI is against principles of equality > So, the approach is more than clear. > > Let us collectively take up cudgels against such approach and such > institutions > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Mohib Anwar Rafel > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:20 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher > > I think this is not any kind of discrimination against visually > challanged community. This is the endeavor to give the best so that > the teacher could handle all odd situations which a visually > challanged teacher cann't handle, provided that sighted teacher is > well-grounded in assistive technology. May be that organization is > looking someone who could do some importent work even outside the > computer classes which can be done by a sighted person only. So don't > blaim the organization here and treat it as in the interest of > students. > > On 5/21/13, srikanth bolla wrote: >> Hi guys, >> This is really sad discrimination and news. I think to some extent, >> we >> are giving them the chance to underestimate visually challenge people or >> teachers. As an employer myself who is dedicated to recruiting disabled >> people, feel that visually challenged people will not take active >> step >> in learning to fulfill work role. Most people show their disability and >> escape from work and give out en number of reasons for coming on time and >> much more. I do understand that all visually challenged people are not >> lazy >> but most of them though. I compare visually challenged people with other >> disabilities and found that most visually challenged people are not >> active >> and never attempt to learn. Sorry if this hurts but this is high time >> that >> we all should change ourselves and should not expect easy things and >> work. >> Work environment is always challenging irrespective of once disability. >> So >> employers will be confident once we start to show at most dedication. I >> understand various reasons being saying visually challenged people should >> not apply. For example, how can you fix power and hardware connections? >> How >> can you work on inaccessible applications while teaching? If the computer >> crashes and freezes how can you fix. These are few reasons maybe they are >> t
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and, to set legal records right, Even though fundamental rights are at present enforced only against art12 entities, but its ambit has ever been expanding, and the day is not far off when NGOs receiving substantial aid from government would fall into the ambit of article 12... -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:23 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher Yes, fundamental rights are violated. You cannot preclude a VI from contesting for the job... Please do have a crash course in Indian laws, if you would. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafel Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:48 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher I cann't understand one point here that is there any violation of any legal orfundamental right of visually challanged community? Why you don't challange the appointment of various nondisabled welfare officers and high officials who are appointed for the public assistance of the handicapped persons? They are not aware of special needs and all around development of disabled community. Do you remember it is first time when a visually challanged person has been appointed as chief commissioner for persons with disabilities. All the time they have been appointing such persons who are not even aware of basic legal provisions and their special treatment! Why are you people crying so long then? Therefore this is not matter of discrimination and infringement of right, but yes I do agree that that the sighted teacher should be well versed in operation of assistive technology, and I think the organization will take care of this matter. I am of the view that these organizations should promote employment opportunities for disabled community first but if they have serious reservations while doing so then we should not condemn their decisions, however either of two should not be done at the cost of optimum learning entourage. On 5/21/13, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > So, they should not call the post a computer instructor, rather they should > call it a callboy/call girl > > If NAB says computer instructor but not for VI, then, NAB has forfeited all > rights to be a so-called representative organization... > > They should take a lesson or two in modern jurisprudence which has concepts > of reasonable accommodation and non handicapping environment well grounded. > > Actually, NAB has been flaunting slogans like: > "Do you know blind can drive" > on their site and misleading the public at large. > > NAB India general secretary has publicly proclaimed more than once that > reservation to disabled/VI is against principles of equality > So, the approach is more than clear. > > Let us collectively take up cudgels against such approach and such > institutions > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Mohib Anwar Rafel > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:20 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher > > I think this is not any kind of discrimination against visually > challanged community. This is the endeavor to give the best so that > the teacher could handle all odd situations which a visually > challanged teacher cann't handle, provided that sighted teacher is > well-grounded in assistive technology. May be that organization is > looking someone who could do some importent work even outside the > computer classes which can be done by a sighted person only. So don't > blaim the organization here and treat it as in the interest of > students. > > On 5/21/13, srikanth bolla wrote: >> Hi guys, >> This is really sad discrimination and news. I think to some extent, >> we >> are giving them the chance to underestimate visually challenge people or >> teachers. As an employer myself who is dedicated to recruiting disabled >> people, feel that visually challenged people will not take active >> step >> in learning to fulfill work role. Most people show their disability and >> escape from work and give out en number of reasons for coming on time and >> much more. I do understand that all visually challenged people are not >> lazy >> but most of them though. I compare visually challenged people with other >> disabilities and found that most visually challenged people are not >> active >> and never attempt to learn. Sorry if this hurts but this is high time >> that >> we all should change ourselves and should not expect easy things and >> work. >
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Here I am unable to understand that the educational colification is B.A. Why not graduate in any other stream? like b.com, B.S.C. or Bachelor in computer applications? secondly for the first time I have seen the reservation for the abeled bodied so called main stream peoples that too by the institution ment for the wellfare of blind comunity! Now the blind peoples are emploied to serve the ssighted society, then why not blind person can serve blind students? The word hirts me "any one can apply accept blind" does that mean that are we more disabled then mentally challenged peoples? (with due respect to them). For my curiosity, If Hearringly impaired or mute person is emploied then how they will teach VI. zoher kheriwala taheri menswear mumbai. skype id zoher.kheriwala - Original Message - From: "Asudani, Rajesh" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher and, to set legal records right, Even though fundamental rights are at present enforced only against art12 entities, but its ambit has ever been expanding, and the day is not far off when NGOs receiving substantial aid from government would fall into the ambit of article 12... -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:23 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher Yes, fundamental rights are violated. You cannot preclude a VI from contesting for the job... Please do have a crash course in Indian laws, if you would. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafel Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:48 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher I cann't understand one point here that is there any violation of any legal orfundamental right of visually challanged community? Why you don't challange the appointment of various nondisabled welfare officers and high officials who are appointed for the public assistance of the handicapped persons? They are not aware of special needs and all around development of disabled community. Do you remember it is first time when a visually challanged person has been appointed as chief commissioner for persons with disabilities. All the time they have been appointing such persons who are not even aware of basic legal provisions and their special treatment! Why are you people crying so long then? Therefore this is not matter of discrimination and infringement of right, but yes I do agree that that the sighted teacher should be well versed in operation of assistive technology, and I think the organization will take care of this matter. I am of the view that these organizations should promote employment opportunities for disabled community first but if they have serious reservations while doing so then we should not condemn their decisions, however either of two should not be done at the cost of optimum learning entourage. On 5/21/13, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: So, they should not call the post a computer instructor, rather they should call it a callboy/call girl If NAB says computer instructor but not for VI, then, NAB has forfeited all rights to be a so-called representative organization... They should take a lesson or two in modern jurisprudence which has concepts of reasonable accommodation and non handicapping environment well grounded. Actually, NAB has been flaunting slogans like: "Do you know blind can drive" on their site and misleading the public at large. NAB India general secretary has publicly proclaimed more than once that reservation to disabled/VI is against principles of equality So, the approach is more than clear. Let us collectively take up cudgels against such approach and such institutions -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafel Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:20 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher I think this is not any kind of discrimination against visually challanged community. This is the endeavor to give the best so that the teacher could handle all odd situations which a visually challanged teacher cann't handle, provided that sighted teacher is well-grounded in assistive technology. May be that organization is looking someone who could do some importent work even outside the computer classes which can be done by a sighted person only. So don't blaim the organization here and treat it as in the interest of students. On 5/21/13, srikanth bolla wrote: Hi guys, This is really sad discrimination and news. I think to some extent, we are giving them the chance to underestimate visually challenge people or teachers. As an employer myself who is dedicated to
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Dear Zoher, May be the qualification B.A. is fixed keeping in mind any particular person whom they have already decided to employ. And the for the sake of establishing the genuineness of recruitment, this fake advertisement is published! Well, this is an old and very effective method applied by peoples and organisations, government departments etc., for benefitting their near and dear once. On 5/20/13, yusuf abbasi wrote: > -- > Mobile 08010663328 > 09268704236 > Hi Friends! > There is a job for computer teacher in National Association for the > Blind Faridabad in Haryana State Branch. > NAB Faridabad is looking for female computer teacher for teaching > visually impaired students. > NAB Faridabad conducts six months computer training for visually > impaired students. > In this training, they teach Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, Internet > and Windows etc. > anyone can apply except visually impaired person. > Requirements: Educational Qualification B.A. > Technical Qualification: Diploma or six months certificate etc. > Good English > Salary: 7000 to 1 and according to performance. > Contact: 08010663328 > E-mail: yusuftajma...@gmail.com > Contact soon > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > -- Thanks and regards Himanshu Sahu Reach: 09051055000 Skype: himanshu.cute4u Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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I fail to understand why people from the VI community itself are trying to establish legimacy of the organization publishing such a discrimitory advertisement. Why do some of us want to believe that every such initiative is genuine? I am into software development for some time now and have been a trainer for sighted and visually challenged people in different setups. The training centers generally hire hardware and networking guys to troubleshoot and handle such issues. These are neither supposed to be looked into by trainers, nor do they have sufficient access and privileges to do so. A trainer is supposed to conduct theory and practical sessions, review course content, conduct tests and assess performance, guide students to complete assignments, provide technical assistance, solve queries and doubts raissed by students, maintain attendance and general discipline, wat other work is he/she expected to do? Some of us believe that all VI do not perform well in a corporate environment. Let me and the list members know if all sighted people are at par. Everyone is good at some things and needs to improve on others. We need to understand that it is not at all necessary that if one VI can do something then all VI can do it or if one VI cannot do something then all VI cannot. Everyone can perform according to his abilities, education, environment, encouragement, determination, motivation and several other factors. We may not have chhallenged appointment of people on various posts in the past but awareness is the key. At least now that we are aware that something is unjust and against the interests of our fellow job seekers, we should support them. We cannot go on accepting any such discrimination without challenging it if we think of making the society inclusive. Lastly, I'm sorry for the typos in the previous posting as I sent it using my phone while travelling. On 5/21/13, Himanshu Sahu wrote: > Dear Zoher, > May be the qualification B.A. is fixed keeping in mind any particular > person whom they have already decided to employ. And the for the sake > of establishing the genuineness of recruitment, this fake > advertisement is published! > > Well, this is an old and very effective method applied by peoples and > organisations, government departments etc., for benefitting their near > and dear once. > > > On 5/20/13, yusuf abbasi wrote: >> -- >> Mobile 08010663328 >> 09268704236 >> Hi Friends! >> There is a job for computer teacher in National Association for the >> Blind Faridabad in Haryana State Branch. >> NAB Faridabad is looking for female computer teacher for teaching >> visually impaired students. >> NAB Faridabad conducts six months computer training for visually >> impaired students. >> In this training, they teach Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, Internet >> and Windows etc. >> anyone can apply except visually impaired person. >> Requirements: Educational Qualification B.A. >> Technical Qualification: Diploma or six months certificate etc. >> Good English >> Salary: 7000 to 1 and according to performance. >> Contact: 08010663328 >> E-mail: yusuftajma...@gmail.com >> Contact soon >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >> of >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the >> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails >> sent through this mailing list.. >> > > > -- > Thanks and regards >Himanshu Sahu > Reach: 09051055000 > Skype: himanshu.cute4u > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based
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Mr Asudani please read your previous message, which reads as "So, they should not call the post a computer instructor, rather they should call it a callboy/call girl" and then "Yes, fundamental rights are violated. You cannot preclude a VI from contesting for the job" According to you I need a crash course in Indian laws, for your kind information I have already completed my 5 year law degree in Indian laws and currently pursuing master of laws thats too in Indian laws here at the top university of India, however, this is other thing that I have already completed M.Phil in international law. Tell me one thing how many days gone, you have not studied constitutional law? However you have corrected your mistake in very next message because you wrote your above mentioned message in hurry and with out giving any second thought that what do you want to write! I think you need to refer Article 12 of Indian constitution which defines that which enctities are states and against whom fundamental rights can be claimed. So you are a supreme court judge here who is claiming that scope of Article 12 is expanding and such agencies should also be included under the ambit of Article 12 so that Article 13(2) could be invoked! Prove that these private organizations can be covered under the head of states, I asure you I will go to Delhi High court under a petition against these private organizations. As you might be aware that most of the fundamental rights, in case these have been violated, are claimed against the state and its instrumentality and not against the private bodies. Article 12 has defined that what can be included under the state. the state include, the government and parliament of india, the govt and legislature of the state, all local authorities and other authorities. the action of any of these can be challanged in high court or in supreme court. The term other authorities, has not been defined, however supreme court has developed the concept of instrumentalities of the state to make it clear. Here the test which could determine the nature of instrumentality is funding and control, such as whether major or entire share capital is held by the govt. is govt is involved in carrying the function and making the policies? Is the administration of the body in the hands of the directors appointed by the government and are they subject to government control in the discharge of their functions? Whether the operation of the corporation is an important public function closely related to governmental functions? A private educational institution, even if it is recognised by, or affiliated to, a university, cannot be regarded as an instrumentality of the government for purposes of Article 12. What is necessary here that the control of functions of the authority, the government should be in a position to give directions to the authority to function in a particular manner . so finally in various cases the court has now laid down the principles that "The question in each case would be-whether in the light of the cumulative facts as established, the body is financially, functionally and administratively dominated by or under the control of the government. Such control must be particular to the body in question and must be pervasive. If this is found then the body is a state within Article 12, On the other hand, when the control is merely regulatory whether under statute or otherwise, it would not serve to make the body a state". So Mr Asudani, explain here that whether any fundamental right of any visually impaired has been infringed, I hope you remember your constitutional law classes, if you have attended , and I hope you attended those. You are respectable member but I am surprised that how can you write this foul language that it should be called as post of call boy or call girl? Do you have some privy animosity with the NAB general secratary? @Himanshu, do you consider that this private organization is under an obligation to show that they have genuin appointment? Let me tell you they are not answerable to your lordship. I think that it has all right even to appoint a person even with out advertisement if they have in their mind a most suitable candidate, therefore don't follow your whimsical persuasion. Why is there such a hue and cry? better apply your steam at the place where visually challanged community really need to be dispensed! On 5/21/13, Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala wrote: > I fail to understand why people from the VI community itself are > trying to establish legimacy of the organization publishing such a > discrimitory advertisement. Why do some of us want to believe that > every such initiative is genuine? > > I am into software development for some time now and have been a > trainer for sighted and visually challenged people in different > setups. The training centers generally hire hardware and networking > guys to troubleshoot and handle such issues. These are neither > supposed to be looked into
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Well, I wouldn't want to get into the legal aspects of the issue. But for the disability rights movement as such, for the disability collective, this particular ad is a matter of significant moral affront, especially so when we consider that it has come from an organization that is said to be working for the visually challenged. The language is offensive and crude, and it most certainly is exclusivist. They might want the selected candidate to multitask, perform other responsibilities other than computer training. A visually challenged person may or may not be able to meet all such responsibilities, as could be the case with any other candidate. They could have selected someone who would have been able to take up the responsibilities they wanted, whether visually challenged or not. But the insensitive language, and the crude implications can, and should be questioned, regardless of the legal dimension. I think its an ethical question, a moral question. It would be good if there could be some legal backing in challenging this obnoxious act, but that is a secondary concern. On 5/22/13, Mohib Anwar Rafel wrote: > Mr Asudani please read your previous message, which reads as > "So, they should not call the post a computer instructor, rather they > should call it a callboy/call girl" and then > "Yes, fundamental rights are violated. You cannot preclude a VI from > contesting for the job" > > According to you I need a crash course in Indian laws, for your kind > information I have already completed my 5 year law degree in Indian > laws and currently pursuing master of laws thats too in Indian laws > here at the top university of India, however, this is other thing that > I have already completed M.Phil in international law. > Tell me one thing how many days gone, you have not studied > constitutional law? However you have corrected your mistake in very > next message because you wrote your above mentioned message in hurry > and with out giving any second thought that what do you want to write! > I think you need to refer Article 12 of Indian constitution which > defines that which enctities are states and against whom fundamental > rights can be claimed. So you are a supreme court judge here who is > claiming that scope of Article 12 is expanding and such agencies > should also be included under the ambit of Article 12 so that Article > 13(2) could be invoked! > Prove that these private organizations can be covered under the head > of states, I asure you I will go to Delhi High court under a petition > against these private organizations. > > As you might be aware that most of the fundamental rights, in case > these have been violated, are claimed against the state and its > instrumentality and not against the private bodies. Article 12 has > defined that what can be included under the state. > the state include, the government and parliament of india, the govt > and legislature of the state, all local authorities and other > authorities. the action of any of these can be challanged in high > court or in supreme court. > The term other authorities, has not been defined, however supreme > court has developed the concept of instrumentalities of the state to > make it clear. > > Here the test which could determine the nature of instrumentality is > funding and control, such as whether major or entire share capital is > held by the govt. is govt is involved in carrying the function and > making the policies? > Is the administration of the body in the hands of the directors > appointed by the government and are they subject to government control > in the discharge of their functions? Whether the operation of the > corporation is an important public function closely related to > governmental functions? > A private educational institution, even if it is recognised by, or > affiliated to, a university, cannot be regarded as an instrumentality > of the government for purposes of Article 12. What is necessary here > that the control of functions of the authority, the government should > be in a position to give directions to the authority to function in a > particular manner . > so finally in various cases the court has now laid down the principles > that "The question in each case would be-whether in the light of the > cumulative facts as established, the body is financially, functionally > and administratively dominated by or under the control of the > government. Such control must be particular to the body in question > and must be pervasive. If this is found then the body is a state > within Article 12, On the other hand, when the control is merely > regulatory whether under statute or otherwise, it would not serve to > make the body a state". > > > So Mr Asudani, explain here that whether any fundamental right of any > visually impaired has been infringed, I hope you remember your > constitutional law classes, if you have attended , and I hope you > attended those. > You are respectable member but I am surprise
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A lawyer who is merely a lawyer is a like popper fish stuck up in a pond. Granted that current constructions of article 12 are too narrow and may not include NGOs, but it is travesty of justice to let it be so. I had maintained this position in my graduate constitutional classes, however, like Mohit, most fail to understand it, let alone appreciate it. As an instance, I deemed it a violation of freedom of speech when a principal of a granted college prohibited some students from conversing with students of another section. I deem it a violation of article 16 when affiliated and granted colleges do not reserve any posts for persons with disabilities. I still maintain that at least bodies receiving grants from state for various projects must be mandated to honor rights of citizens. Perhaps I am at least a century in advance in my thinking. Surely, as Mahesh has said, it is a moral question and legal backing must be explored to fight it off. Yes, I maintain my word of call boy / call girl. The real attribute of the word is to sell oneself for money, and perhaps NAB wants precisely such person under the garb of computer instructor. Mohit, you need a crash course not only in Indian laws but in language as well. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh S. Panicker Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:39 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher Well, I wouldn't want to get into the legal aspects of the issue. But for the disability rights movement as such, for the disability collective, this particular ad is a matter of significant moral affront, especially so when we consider that it has come from an organization that is said to be working for the visually challenged. The language is offensive and crude, and it most certainly is exclusivist. They might want the selected candidate to multitask, perform other responsibilities other than computer training. A visually challenged person may or may not be able to meet all such responsibilities, as could be the case with any other candidate. They could have selected someone who would have been able to take up the responsibilities they wanted, whether visually challenged or not. But the insensitive language, and the crude implications can, and should be questioned, regardless of the legal dimension. I think its an ethical question, a moral question. It would be good if there could be some legal backing in challenging this obnoxious act, but that is a secondary concern. On 5/22/13, Mohib Anwar Rafel wrote: > Mr Asudani please read your previous message, which reads as > "So, they should not call the post a computer instructor, rather they > should call it a callboy/call girl" and then > "Yes, fundamental rights are violated. You cannot preclude a VI from > contesting for the job" > > According to you I need a crash course in Indian laws, for your kind > information I have already completed my 5 year law degree in Indian > laws and currently pursuing master of laws thats too in Indian laws > here at the top university of India, however, this is other thing that > I have already completed M.Phil in international law. > Tell me one thing how many days gone, you have not studied > constitutional law? However you have corrected your mistake in very > next message because you wrote your above mentioned message in hurry > and with out giving any second thought that what do you want to write! > I think you need to refer Article 12 of Indian constitution which > defines that which enctities are states and against whom fundamental > rights can be claimed. So you are a supreme court judge here who is > claiming that scope of Article 12 is expanding and such agencies > should also be included under the ambit of Article 12 so that Article > 13(2) could be invoked! > Prove that these private organizations can be covered under the head > of states, I asure you I will go to Delhi High court under a petition > against these private organizations. > > As you might be aware that most of the fundamental rights, in case > these have been violated, are claimed against the state and its > instrumentality and not against the private bodies. Article 12 has > defined that what can be included under the state. > the state include, the government and parliament of india, the govt > and legislature of the state, all local authorities and other > authorities. the action of any of these can be challanged in high > court or in supreme court. > The term other authorities, has not been defined, however supreme > court has developed the concept of instrumentalities of the state to > make it clear. > > Here the test which could determine the nature of instrumentality is > funding and control, such as whether major or entire share cap
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Some years back, I came across such discriminatory advertisement also. The ad was from the blind relief association for vacancies of teachers for the blind school run by them. One of the elligibilities mentioned in the AD was: at the Secondary level, the candidate must have science and mathes as subjects. This condition was included just to exclude the visually impaired persons from applying for the job. - Original Message - From: "Mahesh S. Panicker" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher Well, I wouldn't want to get into the legal aspects of the issue. But for the disability rights movement as such, for the disability collective, this particular ad is a matter of significant moral affront, especially so when we consider that it has come from an organization that is said to be working for the visually challenged. The language is offensive and crude, and it most certainly is exclusivist. They might want the selected candidate to multitask, perform other responsibilities other than computer training. A visually challenged person may or may not be able to meet all such responsibilities, as could be the case with any other candidate. They could have selected someone who would have been able to take up the responsibilities they wanted, whether visually challenged or not. But the insensitive language, and the crude implications can, and should be questioned, regardless of the legal dimension. I think its an ethical question, a moral question. It would be good if there could be some legal backing in challenging this obnoxious act, but that is a secondary concern. On 5/22/13, Mohib Anwar Rafel wrote: Mr Asudani please read your previous message, which reads as "So, they should not call the post a computer instructor, rather they should call it a callboy/call girl" and then "Yes, fundamental rights are violated. You cannot preclude a VI from contesting for the job" According to you I need a crash course in Indian laws, for your kind information I have already completed my 5 year law degree in Indian laws and currently pursuing master of laws thats too in Indian laws here at the top university of India, however, this is other thing that I have already completed M.Phil in international law. Tell me one thing how many days gone, you have not studied constitutional law? However you have corrected your mistake in very next message because you wrote your above mentioned message in hurry and with out giving any second thought that what do you want to write! I think you need to refer Article 12 of Indian constitution which defines that which enctities are states and against whom fundamental rights can be claimed. So you are a supreme court judge here who is claiming that scope of Article 12 is expanding and such agencies should also be included under the ambit of Article 12 so that Article 13(2) could be invoked! Prove that these private organizations can be covered under the head of states, I asure you I will go to Delhi High court under a petition against these private organizations. As you might be aware that most of the fundamental rights, in case these have been violated, are claimed against the state and its instrumentality and not against the private bodies. Article 12 has defined that what can be included under the state. the state include, the government and parliament of india, the govt and legislature of the state, all local authorities and other authorities. the action of any of these can be challanged in high court or in supreme court. The term other authorities, has not been defined, however supreme court has developed the concept of instrumentalities of the state to make it clear. Here the test which could determine the nature of instrumentality is funding and control, such as whether major or entire share capital is held by the govt. is govt is involved in carrying the function and making the policies? Is the administration of the body in the hands of the directors appointed by the government and are they subject to government control in the discharge of their functions? Whether the operation of the corporation is an important public function closely related to governmental functions? A private educational institution, even if it is recognised by, or affiliated to, a university, cannot be regarded as an instrumentality of the government for purposes of Article 12. What is necessary here that the control of functions of the authority, the government should be in a position to give directions to the authority to function in a particular manner . so finally in various cases the court has now laid down the principles that "The question in each case would be-whether in the light of the cumulative facts as established, the body is financially, functionally and administratively dominated by or under the control of the government. Such control must be particular to the body in question and must
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Mr Asudani, why are you fooling around? why are you not coming to the point which you have raised that fundamental right has been violated! Explain here if you can? Now you are subscribing the view that it is a moral question! You are just like a person who turn his face according to the wind! you might be aware that law and morals are two different aspects. You might have studied these things in your law graduate but I have studied the facts which i discussed above in my law postgraduate! You are deeming different kind of violations, have you done something practically coming out of your mere fantasy? You are a century advance in your thinking but we have nothing to do with your fatuous mulls which is bootless for present century. You are beating the bush while you know that you will not succeed against the private bodies, better you apply your energy against the public bodies which are real subject of application of fundamental rights. Better if you were studied philosophy rather then law! You maintained the terms call boy/call girls because you knows those personally and taking their services out of your frustration! Mr, my name is not Mohit but its Mohib, I think you need many crash courses including learning to apply the correct law, I may take language coaching from you but for law I have many renouned professors here in the university. Yes if you need any kind of assistance in understanding the law, contact me. On 5/22/13, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > A lawyer who is merely a lawyer is a like popper fish stuck up in a pond. > Granted that current constructions of article 12 are too narrow and may not > include NGOs, but it is travesty of justice to let it be so. > I had maintained this position in my graduate constitutional classes, > however, like Mohit, most fail to understand it, let alone appreciate it. > As an instance, I deemed it a violation of freedom of speech when a > principal of a granted college prohibited some students from conversing with > students of another section. > I deem it a violation of article 16 when affiliated and granted colleges do > not reserve any posts for persons with disabilities. > > I still maintain that at least bodies receiving grants from state for > various projects must be mandated to honor rights of citizens. > Perhaps I am at least a century in advance in my thinking. > Surely, as Mahesh has said, it is a moral question and legal backing must be > explored to fight it off. > > Yes, I maintain my word of call boy / call girl. > The real attribute of the word is to sell oneself for money, and perhaps NAB > wants precisely such person under the garb of computer instructor. > > Mohit, you need a crash course not only in Indian laws but in language as > well. > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Mahesh S. Panicker > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:39 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher > > Well, I wouldn't want to get into the legal aspects of the issue. But > for the disability rights movement as such, for the disability > collective, this particular ad is a matter of significant moral > affront, especially so when we consider that it has come from an > organization that is said to be working for the visually challenged. > The language is offensive and crude, and it most certainly is > exclusivist. They might want the selected candidate to multitask, > perform other responsibilities other than computer training. A > visually challenged person may or may not be able to meet all such > responsibilities, as could be the case with any other candidate. They > could have selected someone who would have been able to take up the > responsibilities they wanted, whether visually challenged or not. But > the insensitive language, and the crude implications can, and should > be questioned, regardless of the legal dimension. I think its an > ethical question, a moral question. It would be good if there could be > some legal backing in challenging this obnoxious act, but that is a > secondary concern. > > On 5/22/13, Mohib Anwar Rafel wrote: >> Mr Asudani please read your previous message, which reads as >> "So, they should not call the post a computer instructor, rather they >> should call it a callboy/call girl" and then >> "Yes, fundamental rights are violated. You cannot preclude a VI from >> contesting for the job" >> >> According to you I need a crash course in Indian laws, for your kind >> information I have already completed my 5 year law degree in Indian >> laws and currently pursuing master of laws thats too in Indian laws >> here at the top university of India, however, this is other thing t
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On 5/22/13, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > A lawyer who is merely a lawyer is a like popper fish stuck up in a pond. > Granted that current constructions of article 12 are too narrow and may not > include NGOs, but it is travesty of justice to let it be so. > I had maintained this position in my graduate constitutional classes, > however, like Mohit, most fail to understand it, let alone appreciate it. > As an instance, I deemed it a violation of freedom of speech when a > principal of a granted college prohibited some students from conversing with > students of another section. > I deem it a violation of article 16 when affiliated and granted colleges do > not reserve any posts for persons with disabilities. > > I still maintain that at least bodies receiving grants from state for > various projects must be mandated to honor rights of citizens. > Perhaps I am at least a century in advance in my thinking. > Surely, as Mahesh has said, it is a moral question and legal backing must be > explored to fight it off. > > Yes, I maintain my word of call boy / call girl. > The real attribute of the word is to sell oneself for money, and perhaps NAB > wants precisely such person under the garb of computer instructor. > > Mohit, you need a crash course not only in Indian laws but in language as > well. > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Mahesh S. Panicker > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:39 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher > > Well, I wouldn't want to get into the legal aspects of the issue. But > for the disability rights movement as such, for the disability > collective, this particular ad is a matter of significant moral > affront, especially so when we consider that it has come from an > organization that is said to be working for the visually challenged. > The language is offensive and crude, and it most certainly is > exclusivist. They might want the selected candidate to multitask, > perform other responsibilities other than computer training. A > visually challenged person may or may not be able to meet all such > responsibilities, as could be the case with any other candidate. They > could have selected someone who would have been able to take up the > responsibilities they wanted, whether visually challenged or not. But > the insensitive language, and the crude implications can, and should > be questioned, regardless of the legal dimension. I think its an > ethical question, a moral question. It would be good if there could be > some legal backing in challenging this obnoxious act, but that is a > secondary concern. > > On 5/22/13, Mohib Anwar Rafel wrote: >> Mr Asudani please read your previous message, which reads as >> "So, they should not call the post a computer instructor, rather they >> should call it a callboy/call girl" and then >> "Yes, fundamental rights are violated. You cannot preclude a VI from >> contesting for the job" >> >> According to you I need a crash course in Indian laws, for your kind >> information I have already completed my 5 year law degree in Indian >> laws and currently pursuing master of laws thats too in Indian laws >> here at the top university of India, however, this is other thing that >> I have already completed M.Phil in international law. >> Tell me one thing how many days gone, you have not studied >> constitutional law? However you have corrected your mistake in very >> next message because you wrote your above mentioned message in hurry >> and with out giving any second thought that what do you want to write! >> I think you need to refer Article 12 of Indian constitution which >> defines that which enctities are states and against whom fundamental >> rights can be claimed. So you are a supreme court judge here who is >> claiming that scope of Article 12 is expanding and such agencies >> should also be included under the ambit of Article 12 so that Article >> 13(2) could be invoked! >> Prove that these private organizations can be covered under the head >> of states, I asure you I will go to Delhi High court under a petition >> against these private organizations. >> >> As you might be aware that most of the fundamental rights, in case >> these have been violated, are claimed against the state and its >> instrumentality and not against the private bodies. Article 12 has >> defined that what can be included under the state. >> the state include, the government and parliament of india, the govt >> and legislature of the state, all local authorities and other >> authoriti
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Though the vacancy has been posted in revised form now. nonetheless, Mohib, Don't you think fundamental right to equal opportunity was violated when add said: "except visually challenged" Judgement is not only delivered on the bases of existing stipulated laws but Judges interpretation is the key for the final verdict. For example, Governmental policies with regard to persons with disabilities are supposed to have sourced from PWD act 1995, but Since India ratified UNCRPD document in 2006, our judiciary has expanded its dissecting scope and has used UNCRPD for domestic context. And many judgements over the last few years were delivered in favour of disabled by referring UNCRPD. And if this case would have gone to court, which will not now, I think judiciary would have derided NAB. On 5/21/13, akhilesh wrote: > Hello all, > I do agree with some observation made by some members that most of VI > people barring a few, don't match the challenging environment of > corporate/private establishments. However, > How many Sighted know that there is something called jaws? How many > know that blind uses keyboard and not mouse? How many know that there > is something called assistive technology? How many of you agree that a > sighted people can teach better computer than a visually-impaired to a > visually-impaired? And how many sighted people are aware about number > and number of jaws commands? And list goes on and on! > > The Primary job of a computer instructor is to impart the computer > knowledge to trainees and not to repair the computers! I wonder that > how an organization dedicated to welfare of visually-impaired can > publish such and laughable ad prescribing the idiotic qualification! > Computer Training center for visually-impaired, but Trainee should not > be visually-impaired!! > Thanks, > > > On 5/21/13, Mohib Anwar Rafel wrote: >> I think this is not any kind of discrimination against visually >> challanged community. This is the endeavor to give the best so that >> the teacher could handle all odd situations which a visually >> challanged teacher cann't handle, provided that sighted teacher is >> well-grounded in assistive technology. May be that organization is >> looking someone who could do some importent work even outside the >> computer classes which can be done by a sighted person only. So don't >> blaim the organization here and treat it as in the interest of >> students. >> >> On 5/21/13, srikanth bolla wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> This is really sad discrimination and news. I think to some extent, >>> we >>> are giving them the chance to underestimate visually challenge people or >>> teachers. As an employer myself who is dedicated to recruiting >>> disabled >>> people, feel that visually challenged people will not take active >>> step >>> in learning to fulfill work role. Most people show their disability >>> and >>> escape from work and give out en number of reasons for coming on time >>> and >>> much more. I do understand that all visually challenged people are not >>> lazy >>> but most of them though. I compare visually challenged people with other >>> disabilities and found that most visually challenged people are not >>> active >>> and never attempt to learn. Sorry if this hurts but this is high time >>> that >>> we all should change ourselves and should not expect easy things and >>> work. >>> Work environment is always challenging irrespective of once disability. >>> So >>> employers will be confident once we start to show at most dedication. I >>> understand various reasons being saying visually challenged people >>> should >>> not apply. For example, how can you fix power and hardware connections? >>> How >>> can you work on inaccessible applications while teaching? If the >>> computer >>> crashes and freezes how can you fix. These are few reasons maybe they >>> are >>> thinking. If you can do all these things, then we have to let employers >>> know. my ideas are based on Personal experience. Regards, >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf >>> Of vikram babu >>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:33 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher >>> >>> Hi friends, >>> >>> This line hurts me a lot. "anyone can apply except visually impaired >>> person. >>> " >&
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Dear Moderator, instead of the closer of this thread I am compelled to write this mail and ready to bare any punishment... Mohib, of course they are under obligation to establish genuineness of recruitment. This is so because not only these organisations fill their treasury, but also bulk of their recruited personnel earns their bread and butter, and often more than “bread and butter” on the name of visually impaired people only. And, if it is disclosed at any time that anomalies are prevailed in any organisation, hamper its pecuniary productivity I must not explore legal implications of the advertisement because I am not a legal expert, but this is certainly immoral, degrading and raising doubt on the ability of VIs. As far as your language and temper is concerned, it suggests me that you belong to the same group of people who for the sake of perpetuation of vested interest in such organisation, and for justifying any act, whether just or unjust, moral or immoral, don’t hesitate to debase others and bent down on their knees and even lie down on ground for worshiping and oiling their masters. Here, if I start asking question that how many couples and family cum close relatives and friends of members in such NGOs exist, it may be embarrassing for many! So, let us leave behind this subject. But one thing is for sure; your zeal for guarding such sort of immoral turpitude will definitely register you in their good book and earn you good benefits from such organisations. So, good going! And for adding some drops of socialism in your pond of legalism, would like to inform you that in my individual capacity, I have been better applying my vigor for rescuing my brethren and for that I don’t need any remuneration, appreciation or endorsement of any such organisation or person like you. On 5/20/13, yusuf abbasi wrote: > -- > Mobile 08010663328 > 09268704236 > Hi Friends! > There is a job for computer teacher in National Association for the > Blind Faridabad in Haryana State Branch. > NAB Faridabad is looking for female computer teacher for teaching > visually impaired students. > NAB Faridabad conducts six months computer training for visually > impaired students. > In this training, they teach Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, Internet > and Windows etc. > anyone can apply except visually impaired person. > Requirements: Educational Qualification B.A. > Technical Qualification: Diploma or six months certificate etc. > Good English > Salary: 7000 to 1 and according to performance. > Contact: 08010663328 > E-mail: yusuftajma...@gmail.com > Contact soon > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > -- Thanks and regards Himanshu Sahu Reach: 09051055000 Skype: himanshu.cute4u Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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Avinash, for any kind of violation of right we will have to see whether any fundamental right exist there? As we might be aware that fundamental rights are some basic rights which have been guaranteed by part III of our Constitution, these rights have been classified into 6 clusters there. The importent point here is that They are means not to protect persons against the conduct of private bodies, but these are against the might of the State where individual needs Constitutional protection. The whole object of Part III of the Constitution is to provide protection for the freedoms and rights mentioned therein against arbitrary, invasion by the State. Fundamental rights impose an obligation upon the State not to encroach upon the individual liberty. Now come to NAB, It works for the establishment and strengthening of a social order wherein basic needs of all the blind, are fulfilled. It is an NGO established in 1952, when Mr. B. G. Kher, the then Premier of Bombay Province moved a resolution at the first all India Conference for the Blind held in Bombay, which led to the establishment of the National Association for the Blind. It was Registered under the Bombay Public Trusts Act, 1950. It was also registered under the Societies' Registration Act XXI, 1860. No document suggests that it has any involvement of government in its activities, its completely a private body working as an NGO. Thus no fundamental right can exist against any private body, if no right exists, therefore no violation, because no violation can be made in abeyance. But yes one right which has been violated here, upon which every one has consensus, that is fundamental moral right! that has been of course violated! Thats the point upon which Assistant Menager RBI, Mr Asudani insisted that it has been violated. Right to equality and here in terms of employment, the right of equality of opportunity . If you read the title of Article 16, which reads as "equality of opportunity in matters of public employment", itself suggests that it is available only in public employments and no private employment can be covered under the auspice of this article thus no person can claim violation of any fundamental right against such private body. Ever you hurd any NGO providing SC, ST and OBC reservation? never, because they are not bound by the mandate of Article 16(4), unless its control is in the hands of government. More over Sec, 33 of Persons with disabilities Act, provides 3% reservation against the establishment of the government, however new draft disability Act is promoting NGOs to increase employment opportunities for disables in lieu of certain schemes. @Mr Himanshu, so you are worried that these organizations not only fill their treasury but also bulk of their recruited personnel earns their bread and butter. so Mr. your heartache is that you are sitting outside of this organization and missing such opportunities? What is immoral and degrading to you may be perfectly valid in view of another person, so keep you imaginations limited upto you. I justify only just, I don't belongs to any of such organization, I am a professional degree holder. Mr you are crying here for seeing family members in the organization, I will not make any comment here upon your insensate observation, see in government offices, you can find many person from one family and if not family members then their near and dears! did you ever think that this is real form of corruption existing here in government offices. If you can not do any thing there, why are you neighing for so long then? On 5/22/13, Himanshu Sahu wrote: > Dear Moderator, > instead of the closer of this thread I am compelled to write this mail > and ready to bare any punishment... > > Mohib, of course they are under obligation to establish genuineness of > recruitment. > This is so because not only these organisations fill their treasury, > but also bulk of their recruited personnel earns their bread and > butter, and often more than “bread and butter” on the name of visually > impaired people only. And, if it is disclosed at any time that > anomalies are prevailed in any organisation, hamper its pecuniary > productivity > > I must not explore legal implications of the advertisement because I > am not a legal expert, but this is certainly immoral, degrading and > raising doubt on the ability of VIs. > > As far as your language and temper is concerned, it suggests me that > you belong to the same group of people who for the sake of > perpetuation of vested interest in such organisation, and for > justifying any act, whether just or unjust, moral or immoral, don’t > hesitate to debase others and bent down on their knees and even lie > down on ground for worshiping and oiling their masters. > > Here, if I start asking question that how many couples and family cum > close relatives and friends of members in such NGOs exist, it may be > embarrassing for many! So, let us leave behind this subject. > But one th
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At Mohib: I am neighing here because you are barking here! I don’t need to get into such self-seeking organisations for earning my bread and butter because I am already well placed in a PSU bank. In fact, you may better require it because still you are a professional degree holder and such organisations may provide you fertile ground to earn your bread and butter seeing your loyalty towards them. And, if corruption is prevailed in government organisations it doesn’t give license to these so called private organisations for contesting for flesh of pound… As you like to correct others, here you get corrected that Mr. Asudani is not assistant manager rather assistant general manager. On 5/23/13, Mohib Anwar Rafel wrote: > Avinash, for any kind of violation of right we will have to see > whether any fundamental right exist there? As we might be aware that > fundamental rights are some basic rights which have been guaranteed by > part III of our Constitution, these rights have been classified into 6 > clusters there. The importent point here is that They are means not to > protect persons against the conduct of private bodies, but these are > against the might of the State where individual needs Constitutional > protection. The whole object of Part III of the Constitution is to > provide protection for the freedoms and rights mentioned therein > against arbitrary, invasion by the State. Fundamental rights impose an > obligation upon the State not to encroach upon the individual liberty. > Now come to NAB, It works for the establishment and strengthening of a > social order wherein basic needs of all the blind, are fulfilled. > It is an NGO established in 1952, when Mr. B. G. Kher, the then > Premier of Bombay Province moved a resolution at the first all India > Conference for the Blind held in Bombay, which led to the > establishment of the National Association for the Blind. It was > Registered under the Bombay Public Trusts Act, 1950. It was also > registered under the Societies' Registration Act XXI, 1860. > > No document suggests that it has any involvement of government in its > activities, its completely a private body working as an NGO. > Thus no fundamental right can exist against any private body, if no > right exists, therefore no violation, because no violation can be > made in abeyance. > But yes one right which has been violated here, upon which every one > has consensus, that is fundamental moral right! that has been of > course violated! > Thats the point upon which Assistant Menager RBI, Mr Asudani insisted > that it has been violated. Right to equality and here in terms of > employment, the right of equality of opportunity . > If you read the title of Article 16, which reads as "equality of > opportunity in matters of public employment", itself suggests that it > is available only in public employments and no private employment can > be covered under the auspice of this article thus no person can claim > violation of any fundamental right against such private body. > Ever you hurd any NGO providing SC, ST and OBC reservation? never, > because they are not bound by the mandate of Article 16(4), unless its > control is in the hands of government. More over Sec, 33 of Persons > with disabilities Act, provides 3% reservation against the > establishment of the government, however new draft disability Act is > promoting NGOs to increase employment opportunities for disables in > lieu of certain schemes. > > @Mr Himanshu, so you are worried that these organizations not only > fill their treasury but also bulk of their recruited personnel earns > their bread and butter. so Mr. your heartache is that you are sitting > outside of this organization and missing such opportunities? > > What is immoral and degrading to you may be perfectly valid in view > of another person, so keep you imaginations limited upto you. I > justify only just, I don't belongs to any of such organization, I am a > professional degree holder. > Mr you are crying here for seeing family members in the organization, > I will not make any comment here upon your insensate observation, see > in government offices, you can find many person from one family and if > not family members then their near and dears! did you ever think that > this is real form of corruption existing here in government offices. > If you can not do any thing there, why are you neighing for so long > then? > > On 5/22/13, Himanshu Sahu wrote: >> Dear Moderator, >> instead of the closer of this thread I am compelled to write this mail >> and ready to bare any punishment... >> >> Mohib, of course they are under obligation to establish genuineness of >> recruitment. >> This is so because not only these organisations fill their treasury, >> but also bulk of their recruited personnel earns their bread and >> butter, and often more than “bread and butter” on the name of visually >> impaired people only. And, if it is disclosed at any time that >> anomalies are prev
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Adding something more to your quest of satisfaction through getting perfect data, information, and for saving you from once more correcting others, Its not “flesh of pound”, rather “pound of flesh”! On 5/23/13, Himanshu Sahu wrote: > At Mohib: > I am neighing here because you are barking here! > I don’t need to get into such self-seeking organisations for earning > my bread and butter because I am already well placed in a PSU bank. > In fact, you may better require it because still you are a > professional degree holder and such organisations may provide you > fertile ground to earn your bread and butter seeing your loyalty > towards them. > And, if corruption is prevailed in government organisations it doesn’t > give license to these so called private organisations for contesting > for flesh of pound… > > As you like to correct others, here you get corrected that Mr. Asudani > is not assistant manager rather assistant general manager. > > On 5/23/13, Mohib Anwar Rafel wrote: >> Avinash, for any kind of violation of right we will have to see >> whether any fundamental right exist there? As we might be aware that >> fundamental rights are some basic rights which have been guaranteed by >> part III of our Constitution, these rights have been classified into 6 >> clusters there. The importent point here is that They are means not to >> protect persons against the conduct of private bodies, but these are >> against the might of the State where individual needs Constitutional >> protection. The whole object of Part III of the Constitution is to >> provide protection for the freedoms and rights mentioned therein >> against arbitrary, invasion by the State. Fundamental rights impose an >> obligation upon the State not to encroach upon the individual liberty. >> Now come to NAB, It works for the establishment and strengthening of a >> social order wherein basic needs of all the blind, are fulfilled. >> It is an NGO established in 1952, when Mr. B. G. Kher, the then >> Premier of Bombay Province moved a resolution at the first all India >> Conference for the Blind held in Bombay, which led to the >> establishment of the National Association for the Blind. It was >> Registered under the Bombay Public Trusts Act, 1950. It was also >> registered under the Societies' Registration Act XXI, 1860. >> >> No document suggests that it has any involvement of government in its >> activities, its completely a private body working as an NGO. >> Thus no fundamental right can exist against any private body, if no >> right exists, therefore no violation, because no violation can be >> made in abeyance. >> But yes one right which has been violated here, upon which every one >> has consensus, that is fundamental moral right! that has been of >> course violated! >> Thats the point upon which Assistant Menager RBI, Mr Asudani insisted >> that it has been violated. Right to equality and here in terms of >> employment, the right of equality of opportunity . >> If you read the title of Article 16, which reads as "equality of >> opportunity in matters of public employment", itself suggests that it >> is available only in public employments and no private employment can >> be covered under the auspice of this article thus no person can claim >> violation of any fundamental right against such private body. >> Ever you hurd any NGO providing SC, ST and OBC reservation? never, >> because they are not bound by the mandate of Article 16(4), unless its >> control is in the hands of government. More over Sec, 33 of Persons >> with disabilities Act, provides 3% reservation against the >> establishment of the government, however new draft disability Act is >> promoting NGOs to increase employment opportunities for disables in >> lieu of certain schemes. >> >> @Mr Himanshu, so you are worried that these organizations not only >> fill their treasury but also bulk of their recruited personnel earns >> their bread and butter. so Mr. your heartache is that you are sitting >> outside of this organization and missing such opportunities? >> >> What is immoral and degrading to you may be perfectly valid in view >> of another person, so keep you imaginations limited upto you. I >> justify only just, I don't belongs to any of such organization, I am a >> professional degree holder. >> Mr you are crying here for seeing family members in the organization, >> I will not make any comment here upon your insensate observation, see >> in government offices, you can find many person from one family and if >> not family members then their near and dears! did you ever think that >> this is real form of corruption existing here in government offices. >> If you can not do any thing there, why are you neighing for so long >> then? >> >> On 5/22/13, Himanshu Sahu wrote: >>> Dear Moderator, >>> instead of the closer of this thread I am compelled to write this mail >>> and ready to bare any punishment... >>> >>> Mohib, of course they are under obligation to establish
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correction Mr. Mohit: I am assistant General Manager. Please be careful about designations in future.. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafel Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:59 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Job for Computer Teacher Avinash, for any kind of violation of right we will have to see whether any fundamental right exist there? As we might be aware that fundamental rights are some basic rights which have been guaranteed by part III of our Constitution, these rights have been classified into 6 clusters there. The importent point here is that They are means not to protect persons against the conduct of private bodies, but these are against the might of the State where individual needs Constitutional protection. The whole object of Part III of the Constitution is to provide protection for the freedoms and rights mentioned therein against arbitrary, invasion by the State. Fundamental rights impose an obligation upon the State not to encroach upon the individual liberty. Now come to NAB, It works for the establishment and strengthening of a social order wherein basic needs of all the blind, are fulfilled. It is an NGO established in 1952, when Mr. B. G. Kher, the then Premier of Bombay Province moved a resolution at the first all India Conference for the Blind held in Bombay, which led to the establishment of the National Association for the Blind. It was Registered under the Bombay Public Trusts Act, 1950. It was also registered under the Societies' Registration Act XXI, 1860. No document suggests that it has any involvement of government in its activities, its completely a private body working as an NGO. Thus no fundamental right can exist against any private body, if no right exists, therefore no violation, because no violation can be made in abeyance. But yes one right which has been violated here, upon which every one has consensus, that is fundamental moral right! that has been of course violated! Thats the point upon which Assistant Menager RBI, Mr Asudani insisted that it has been violated. Right to equality and here in terms of employment, the right of equality of opportunity . If you read the title of Article 16, which reads as "equality of opportunity in matters of public employment", itself suggests that it is available only in public employments and no private employment can be covered under the auspice of this article thus no person can claim violation of any fundamental right against such private body. Ever you hurd any NGO providing SC, ST and OBC reservation? never, because they are not bound by the mandate of Article 16(4), unless its control is in the hands of government. More over Sec, 33 of Persons with disabilities Act, provides 3% reservation against the establishment of the government, however new draft disability Act is promoting NGOs to increase employment opportunities for disables in lieu of certain schemes. @Mr Himanshu, so you are worried that these organizations not only fill their treasury but also bulk of their recruited personnel earns their bread and butter. so Mr. your heartache is that you are sitting outside of this organization and missing such opportunities? What is immoral and degrading to you may be perfectly valid in view of another person, so keep you imaginations limited upto you. I justify only just, I don't belongs to any of such organization, I am a professional degree holder. Mr you are crying here for seeing family members in the organization, I will not make any comment here upon your insensate observation, see in government offices, you can find many person from one family and if not family members then their near and dears! did you ever think that this is real form of corruption existing here in government offices. If you can not do any thing there, why are you neighing for so long then? On 5/22/13, Himanshu Sahu wrote: > Dear Moderator, > instead of the closer of this thread I am compelled to write this mail > and ready to bare any punishment... > > Mohib, of course they are under obligation to establish genuineness of > recruitment. > This is so because not only these organisations fill their treasury, > but also bulk of their recruited personnel earns their bread and > butter, and often more than "bread and butter" on the name of visually > impaired people only. And, if it is disclosed at any time that > anomalies are prevailed in any organisation, hamper its pecuniary > productivity > > I must not explore legal implications of the advertisement because I > am not a legal expert, but this is certainly immoral, degrading and > raising doubt on the ability of VIs. > > As far as your language and temper is concerned, it suggests me that > you belong to the same group of people who for the sake of > perpetuation of vested interest in such o
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Mohib, I'm flabbergasted after hearing your sole resentment with public bodies to sue them in courts. Better you reflect the terminology 'private' and ponder upon questions like what is private? organisation/institution which is not government-undertaking is private? and so called NGOs like NAB, NFB and others who claim to cater the needs of members in thousands have no obligation towards the constitution because they are private? such narrow interpretation is detrimental for disability movement in India which is still at a nascent stage. When in family of two, husband's brutality on his wife is not private, then how NGO like NAB which has its branches in most parts of India can claim to be private and go on exploiting and discriminating persons with blindness? And I wonder if you understood what I meant to send across in my previous mail , let me delineate little further. You must have read legal positivist HLA Hart, Jurisprudence does not only deal with legal text. And judges apply their own rational faculty to ensure justice to aggrieved. And judges go beyond legal texts is palpable by various judgements. remember, pain is invisible, it has no voice, it can't be expressed in court, it can only be beared and experienced. and previous advertisement inflicted psychological profound pain. Further many disadvantaged people have been benefited not because of existing laws, but because Judges have applied their rationality in interpreting laws in better ways. so thatNab on its website says: "We Help the Blind Help Themselves". What will the say in Court if this question will be asked? with regard to add posted previously? Further they say: "We have also provided our Reports - including the financial statements; we believe in absolute transparency in terms of our accounts". But sadly, I didn't find any link which substantiates this claim. And what to understand of fundamental rights because Parliament is still unable to legislate right to food as fundamental right in this country of million poors who are unable to arrange two times meal a day. forget about 'breakfast'. So part 3 or part four hardly matter, unless willpower is there to facilitate their realisation. On 5/23/13, Mohib Anwar Rafel wrote: > Avinash, for any kind of violation of right we will have to see > whether any fundamental right exist there? As we might be aware that > fundamental rights are some basic rights which have been guaranteed by > part III of our Constitution, these rights have been classified into 6 > clusters there. The importent point here is that They are means not to > protect persons against the conduct of private bodies, but these are > against the might of the State where individual needs Constitutional > protection. The whole object of Part III of the Constitution is to > provide protection for the freedoms and rights mentioned therein > against arbitrary, invasion by the State. Fundamental rights impose an > obligation upon the State not to encroach upon the individual liberty. > Now come to NAB, It works for the establishment and strengthening of a > social order wherein basic needs of all the blind, are fulfilled. > It is an NGO established in 1952, when Mr. B. G. Kher, the then > Premier of Bombay Province moved a resolution at the first all India > Conference for the Blind held in Bombay, which led to the > establishment of the National Association for the Blind. It was > Registered under the Bombay Public Trusts Act, 1950. It was also > registered under the Societies' Registration Act XXI, 1860. > > No document suggests that it has any involvement of government in its > activities, its completely a private body working as an NGO. > Thus no fundamental right can exist against any private body, if no > right exists, therefore no violation, because no violation can be > made in abeyance. > But yes one right which has been violated here, upon which every one > has consensus, that is fundamental moral right! that has been of > course violated! > Thats the point upon which Assistant Menager RBI, Mr Asudani insisted > that it has been violated. Right to equality and here in terms of > employment, the right of equality of opportunity . > If you read the title of Article 16, which reads as "equality of > opportunity in matters of public employment", itself suggests that it > is available only in public employments and no private employment can > be covered under the auspice of this article thus no person can claim > violation of any fundamental right against such private body. > Ever you hurd any NGO providing SC, ST and OBC reservation? never, > because they are not bound by the mandate of Article 16(4), unless its > control is in the hands of government. More over Sec, 33 of Persons > with disabilities Act, provides 3% reservation against the > establishment of the government, however new draft disability Act is > promoting NGOs to increase employment opportunities for disables in > lieu of certain schemes. > > @Mr Himan
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Hello all, We should learn how to talk to our senior and respected members. Arguing like a street boy and using the foul language such as crying and sort of things is intolerable. I’m replying because I’ve so called cried over the advertisement. I wish professional degree must have taught some professionalism, some mannerism and how to express oneself like a professional. Mr. Rajesh asadani is our very senior and respected member and I strongly condemn such language against him. We should not forget that we have been taught to apply the law in its letter and spirit both and not in the letter only. The concept of Fundamental laws is an ever evolving and dynamic concept. If my legal knowledge is correct, I think that Article 21 of our constitution relating to life and personal liberty comes under the fundamental rights enumerated in part 3. The Supreme Court judges were not fools who delivered various MC Mehta landmarks judgments against erring private entities by applying the concept of fundamental rights of life and personal liberty! Thanks, Akhilesh. On 5/23/13, avinash shahi wrote: > Mohib, I'm flabbergasted after hearing your sole resentment with > public bodies to sue them in courts. > Better you reflect the terminology 'private' and ponder upon questions > like what is private? organisation/institution which is not > government-undertaking is private? and so called NGOs like NAB, NFB > and others who claim to cater the needs of members in thousands have > no obligation towards the constitution because they are private? such > narrow interpretation is detrimental for disability movement in India > which is still at a nascent stage. > When in family of two, husband's brutality on his wife is not private, > then how NGO like NAB which has its branches in most parts of India > can claim to be private and go on exploiting and discriminating > persons with blindness? > And I wonder if you understood what I meant to send across in my > previous mail , let me delineate little further. > You must have read legal positivist HLA Hart, Jurisprudence does not > only deal with legal text. And judges apply their own rational faculty > to ensure justice to aggrieved. And judges go beyond legal texts is > palpable by various judgements. remember, pain is invisible, it has no > voice, it can't be expressed in court, it can only be beared and > experienced. and previous advertisement inflicted psychological > profound pain. Further many disadvantaged people have been benefited > not because of existing laws, but because Judges have applied their > rationality in interpreting laws in better ways. so thatNab on its > website says: "We Help the Blind Help Themselves". > What will the say in Court if this question will be asked? with regard > to add posted previously? > Further they say: "We have also provided our Reports - including the > financial statements; we believe in absolute transparency in terms of > our accounts". But sadly, I didn't find any link which substantiates > this claim. > And what to understand of fundamental rights because Parliament is > still unable to legislate right to food as fundamental right in this > country of million poors who are unable to arrange two times meal a > day. forget about 'breakfast'. > So part 3 or part four hardly matter, unless willpower is there to > facilitate their realisation. > On 5/23/13, Mohib Anwar Rafel wrote: >> Avinash, for any kind of violation of right we will have to see >> whether any fundamental right exist there? As we might be aware that >> fundamental rights are some basic rights which have been guaranteed by >> part III of our Constitution, these rights have been classified into 6 >> clusters there. The importent point here is that They are means not to >> protect persons against the conduct of private bodies, but these are >> against the might of the State where individual needs Constitutional >> protection. The whole object of Part III of the Constitution is to >> provide protection for the freedoms and rights mentioned therein >> against arbitrary, invasion by the State. Fundamental rights impose an >> obligation upon the State not to encroach upon the individual liberty. >> Now come to NAB, It works for the establishment and strengthening of a >> social order wherein basic needs of all the blind, are fulfilled. >> It is an NGO established in 1952, when Mr. B. G. Kher, the then >> Premier of Bombay Province moved a resolution at the first all India >> Conference for the Blind held in Bombay, which led to the >> establishment of the National Association for the Blind. It was >> Registered under the Bombay Public Trusts Act, 1950. It was also >> registered under the Societies' Registration Act XXI, 1860. >> >> No document suggests that it has any involvement of government in its >> activities, its completely a private body working as an NGO. >> Thus no fundamental right can exist against any private body, if no >> right exists, therefore no vio
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I am sushma. sir I am searching job computer related. I am also doing computer teacher. I worked one year computer teacher in school. Please Akhilesh sir please can you help me. where is opportunity. please sir tell me. Thank you, sir, On 5/23/13, akhilesh wrote: > Hello all, > > We should learn how to talk to our senior and respected members. > Arguing like a street boy and using the foul language such as crying > and sort of things is intolerable. > I’m replying because I’ve so called cried over the advertisement. I > wish professional degree must have taught some professionalism, some > mannerism and how to express oneself like a professional. > > Mr. Rajesh asadani is our very senior and respected member and I > strongly condemn such language against him. > > We should not forget that we have been taught to apply the law in its > letter and spirit both and not in the letter only. The concept of > Fundamental laws is an ever evolving and dynamic concept. If my legal > knowledge is correct, I think that Article 21 of our constitution > relating to life and personal liberty comes under the fundamental > rights enumerated in part 3. The Supreme Court judges were not fools > who delivered various MC Mehta landmarks judgments against erring > private entities by applying the concept of fundamental rights of life > and personal liberty! > Thanks, > Akhilesh. > > > On 5/23/13, avinash shahi wrote: >> Mohib, I'm flabbergasted after hearing your sole resentment with >> public bodies to sue them in courts. >> Better you reflect the terminology 'private' and ponder upon questions >> like what is private? organisation/institution which is not >> government-undertaking is private? and so called NGOs like NAB, NFB >> and others who claim to cater the needs of members in thousands have >> no obligation towards the constitution because they are private? such >> narrow interpretation is detrimental for disability movement in India >> which is still at a nascent stage. >> When in family of two, husband's brutality on his wife is not private, >> then how NGO like NAB which has its branches in most parts of India >> can claim to be private and go on exploiting and discriminating >> persons with blindness? >> And I wonder if you understood what I meant to send across in my >> previous mail , let me delineate little further. >> You must have read legal positivist HLA Hart, Jurisprudence does not >> only deal with legal text. And judges apply their own rational faculty >> to ensure justice to aggrieved. And judges go beyond legal texts is >> palpable by various judgements. remember, pain is invisible, it has no >> voice, it can't be expressed in court, it can only be beared and >> experienced. and previous advertisement inflicted psychological >> profound pain. Further many disadvantaged people have been benefited >> not because of existing laws, but because Judges have applied their >> rationality in interpreting laws in better ways. so thatNab on its >> website says: "We Help the Blind Help Themselves". >> What will the say in Court if this question will be asked? with regard >> to add posted previously? >> Further they say: "We have also provided our Reports - including the >> financial statements; we believe in absolute transparency in terms of >> our accounts". But sadly, I didn't find any link which substantiates >> this claim. >> And what to understand of fundamental rights because Parliament is >> still unable to legislate right to food as fundamental right in this >> country of million poors who are unable to arrange two times meal a >> day. forget about 'breakfast'. >> So part 3 or part four hardly matter, unless willpower is there to >> facilitate their realisation. >> On 5/23/13, Mohib Anwar Rafel wrote: >>> Avinash, for any kind of violation of right we will have to see >>> whether any fundamental right exist there? As we might be aware that >>> fundamental rights are some basic rights which have been guaranteed by >>> part III of our Constitution, these rights have been classified into 6 >>> clusters there. The importent point here is that They are means not to >>> protect persons against the conduct of private bodies, but these are >>> against the might of the State where individual needs Constitutional >>> protection. The whole object of Part III of the Constitution is to >>> provide protection for the freedoms and rights mentioned therein >>> against arbitrary, invasion by the State. Fundamental rights impose an >>> obligation upon the State not to encroach upon the individual liberty. >>> Now come to NAB, It works for the establishment and strengthening of a >>> social order wherein basic needs of all the blind, are fulfilled. >>> It is an NGO established in 1952, when Mr. B. G. Kher, the then >>> Premier of Bombay Province moved a resolution at the first all India >>> Conference for the Blind held in Bombay, which led to the >>> establishment of the National Association for the Blind. It was >>> Re
