[AI] Moderator: RE: Deaf, mute dalit widow molested by caste Hindu trio in Thoothukudi
Friends I wonder what is wrong with you guys. Despite closing this off-topic thread and again reuttering that action is being taken, still why this thread is continued and forcing me to add more to the list Please again, do not make any more comment on this thread. This thread continues to be closed. Harish Kotian Moderator -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of ishita kapoor Sent: 04 December 2013 14:35 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Deaf, mute dalit widow molested by caste Hindu trio in Thoothukudi now you people have start blaming rss for horable situation for disabled. i am afraid this logic will not take you anywhere. On 12/4/13, jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com wrote: Avinash how Gujarat came in discussion? Here discussion was regarding disable and Hinduism. I can understand your extreme love for Gujarat and I thank you for that. But keep it for some Gujarat oriented debate If a disable person is good in singing then what is wrong if rss use him or her in that profession. Please understand all disable are not jnu scholars. Some of them are only good in singing so let them sing bhajans in stead of bagging. To give them job in jnu is not in the capacity of rss. On 12/3/13, P Subramani subramani6...@gmail.com wrote: studies of disabilities and disabled persons on castelines is in itself illogical and unscientific, v disabled persons must b above such faulty lines as castes and religions have neverever favoraly treated us, the so called disableds are xploited by such groups, media has its own agenda and they come up with such catchy items and headlines, disableds r disableds v do not belong to any caste r religion as v neither get benefits of castes r religions unlike the able bodyed, rather than being united and fighting for more rights and benefits, v r fighting among selves, exposing our weakness On 12/3/13, muruganandan.k send2...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Avichal Bhatnagar, well, RSS has no other way to mobalize people and claim them all as Hindus. This strong Brahminical hold in the disability sector has been the root-cause of the disabled mass not getting organized and politicized as in the west. Those you say to be serving the disabled decide what to read for a blind, what not to read, and even what to identify with. So, the service of RSS, if any, is only its part of its effort to mobalize people and keep them a part of Hinduism. This mobalization tactis in fact works better in gathering people into Kara Seva. coming to your second point, one must be against any form of violence against anyone. But it is ridiculous to say that the affense against an oppressed section is not more severe than the normal instance. Will you treat the killing of a strong man and that of a meek child equal? and, what do you really mean when you say that media must show the OTHER SIDE? slogans 30-32 say that the four Varna of people were born from Brahma according to their due place in the hierarchy. Please cite evidence for proving the Varnas were based on colour. Please refer any anthropological peace on the caste system. Its not mere labour division, but a structured hierarchy in which one's societal position is determined by birth. I think it is not proper to reply in this plotform for your comic assertion of saints working for caste abolition. On 12/3/13, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Though I adhered the Moderator's call and stopped responding few days back. But Here you have brought in an interesting aspect to a discussion which is very fruitful if we carry on... Please site sources how RSS is helping disabled in profound manner? By taking them to sing songs and bhajans/keertans in temples... And I must inform you one of the activists has filed RTI in Gujarat to ascertain that how many disabled have been employed in State's public sectors since Mr Modi is the CM. Wait for the outcome provided they supply right info! On 12/3/13, Avichal Bhatnagar coolavic...@gmail.com wrote: Absolutely false! For your info, RSS is helping the disabled in the most profound manner. And I must mention that RSS is strictly against the caste system. If a dalit disabled is exploited, its wrong, but if an upper caste disabled is exploited, its not that bad after all, isn't it? I agree, that dalit disabled are facing more challenges as compaired to others, but that doesn't make attrocities commited on them of a more severe nature. If the media is really keen on highlighting the so called caste inequality, then why doesn't it have guts to show the other side as well? I am writing this because Hinduism as a whole has been criticised, which is totally unexceptable. The molesters are criminals, and the sufferers are the victims. Why is the identity of other disabled victims and their
[AI] Moderator: Re: Deaf, mute dalit widow molested by caste Hindu trio in Thoothukudi
This thread is now moved to off-territory. Hence I am closing it for any more traffic. Harish Kotian - Original Message - From: muruganandan.k send2...@gmail.com To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Deaf,mute dalit widow molested by caste Hindu trio in Thoothukudi hello, the amount of a criminal offense can be properly accounted only if we take the vulnerability of the affected person... First of all, all the disabled persons are not equal, some are far less equal than the others. Caste is the vital marker which marginalizes the disabled to a great extent in South Asia. Fighting against castism and disability rights are not entirely separate issues... Only when a wound is exposed that it can be healed! I would strongly put that those protecting the caste system have no right to claim any special provision as a disabled person. I think its perfectly right to say Caste Hindus! thanks for sharing this news Abinash! On 11/30/13, Avichal Bhatnagar coolavic...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, The incident is really very horrible, but by writing words such as dalit woman and A caste Hindu trio we are unnecessarily promoting the caste system. A criminal is neither a member of any caste/religion etc, nor the victim. On 11/30/13, ishita kapoor ishitakapoor...@gmail.com wrote: As expected from leftist. It is your duty to abuse hindus. Anyway this list is not for discussing such things. Will meet somewhere ells. Sorry moderator sir for this remark. On 11/30/13, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Your 'why' will be best answered by New Indian Express literally... metaphorically, and of course actually, a caste hindu treo speaks volumes... in nutshell, Upper caste criminals who perpetrate sexual violence and violate bodily autonomy of scheduled caste women connive with the police and the administration and remain scot free. Intersectionality in disability is understudied reality in the country. We'll carry on this if you desire on some other platform?.. On 11/30/13, ishita kapoor ishitakapoor...@gmail.com wrote: a caste Hindu trio a caste Hindu trio a caste Hindu trio a caste Hindu trio what is this? though i condemn this but still... On 11/30/13, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Express News Service - THOOTHUKUDI Published: 20th November 2013 08:20 AM Last Updated: 20th November 2013 08:20 AM http://newindianexpress.com/states/tamil_nadu/Deaf-mute-dalit-widow-molested-by-caste-Hindu-trio-in-Thoothukudi/2013/11/20/article1900673.ece A 36-year-old differently-abled dalit widow, was allegedly molested by a caste Hindu trio, who also abused her using her caste name, at Thoothukudi on Monday. Sources said that Amutha, widow of Mariappan and a resident of T Saveriapuram here, was both deaf and dumb. After the death of her husband Mariappan seven years ago, she was living with her father, Sakthivel, who worked as a watchman. On Monday evening, she, along with her 13-year old niece, Kanagavalli, took her goats for grazing to a field on the western side of the Komaspuram village. While she was herding the goats, a caste Hindu trio closed her mouth with their hands and forcibly took her away. When she resisted their attempts, they abused the woman using her caste name, according to her niece. Kanagavalli, who was alarmed by the brutality of the trio, rushed to Thalamuthunagar police station and informed about the ‘kidnap’ of her relative. When police rushed to the spot, the trio fled the scene leaving the woman in the same place. However, police managed to catch two of them. They were identified as Selvam (36), son of Munisamy, and Saravanamuthu(23), son of Shanmugavel, both from Davispuram in Thoothukudi. The third person, Lakshmana Kumar, son of Soundarapandi, took to his heels. A case has been filed against the trio under various sections of the IPC and 3(1)(XI) of SC and ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act. Subsequently, police arrested the two persons. On Tuesday morning, during a search police arrested the third person, Lakshmana Kumar. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI
Re: [AI] Moderator: Re: Deaf, mute dalit widow molested by caste Hindu trio in Thoothukudi
respected harish sir, earlier i didn't see your warning so commented on the topic. really sorry. On 11/30/13, harish har...@accessindia.org.in wrote: This thread is now moved to off-territory. Hence I am closing it for any more traffic. Harish Kotian - Original Message - From: muruganandan.k send2...@gmail.com To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Deaf,mute dalit widow molested by caste Hindu trio in Thoothukudi hello, the amount of a criminal offense can be properly accounted only if we take the vulnerability of the affected person... First of all, all the disabled persons are not equal, some are far less equal than the others. Caste is the vital marker which marginalizes the disabled to a great extent in South Asia. Fighting against castism and disability rights are not entirely separate issues... Only when a wound is exposed that it can be healed! I would strongly put that those protecting the caste system have no right to claim any special provision as a disabled person. I think its perfectly right to say Caste Hindus! thanks for sharing this news Abinash! On 11/30/13, Avichal Bhatnagar coolavic...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, The incident is really very horrible, but by writing words such as dalit woman and A caste Hindu trio we are unnecessarily promoting the caste system. A criminal is neither a member of any caste/religion etc, nor the victim. On 11/30/13, ishita kapoor ishitakapoor...@gmail.com wrote: As expected from leftist. It is your duty to abuse hindus. Anyway this list is not for discussing such things. Will meet somewhere ells. Sorry moderator sir for this remark. On 11/30/13, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Your 'why' will be best answered by New Indian Express literally... metaphorically, and of course actually, a caste hindu treo speaks volumes... in nutshell, Upper caste criminals who perpetrate sexual violence and violate bodily autonomy of scheduled caste women connive with the police and the administration and remain scot free. Intersectionality in disability is understudied reality in the country. We'll carry on this if you desire on some other platform?.. On 11/30/13, ishita kapoor ishitakapoor...@gmail.com wrote: a caste Hindu trio a caste Hindu trio a caste Hindu trio a caste Hindu trio what is this? though i condemn this but still... On 11/30/13, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Express News Service - THOOTHUKUDI Published: 20th November 2013 08:20 AM Last Updated: 20th November 2013 08:20 AM http://newindianexpress.com/states/tamil_nadu/Deaf-mute-dalit-widow-molested-by-caste-Hindu-trio-in-Thoothukudi/2013/11/20/article1900673.ece A 36-year-old differently-abled dalit widow, was allegedly molested by a caste Hindu trio, who also abused her using her caste name, at Thoothukudi on Monday. Sources said that Amutha, widow of Mariappan and a resident of T Saveriapuram here, was both deaf and dumb. After the death of her husband Mariappan seven years ago, she was living with her father, Sakthivel, who worked as a watchman. On Monday evening, she, along with her 13-year old niece, Kanagavalli, took her goats for grazing to a field on the western side of the Komaspuram village. While she was herding the goats, a caste Hindu trio closed her mouth with their hands and forcibly took her away. When she resisted their attempts, they abused the woman using her caste name, according to her niece. Kanagavalli, who was alarmed by the brutality of the trio, rushed to Thalamuthunagar police station and informed about the ‘kidnap’ of her relative. When police rushed to the spot, the trio fled the scene leaving the woman in the same place. However, police managed to catch two of them. They were identified as Selvam (36), son of Munisamy, and Saravanamuthu(23), son of Shanmugavel, both from Davispuram in Thoothukudi. The third person, Lakshmana Kumar, son of Soundarapandi, took to his heels. A case has been filed against the trio under various sections of the IPC and 3(1)(XI) of SC and ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act. Subsequently, police arrested the two persons. On Tuesday morning, during a search police arrested the third person, Lakshmana Kumar. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other
