Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
If I am right, someone ask about enhancing dreams as sighted person. On 2/1/2012 1:01 AM, Vetrivel Adhimoolam wrote: Just to remind you, noone here is concerned with dream enhancement and that's beyond our subject here. Let's not deviate from the subject please? Vetri. I am in India at the moment. +919486123815. Sent from my Nokia N97 mini via BSNL internet using "talks", a screen reader for S60 devices. -original message- Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI,& hearing /speech impaired. From: Naushad Charivilayil Date: 02/01/2012 12:48 AM I am pasting an article about how to enhance dream below. Acetyl choline& Dreaming Acetyl choline is a neurotransmitter, a chemical that carries messages between brain cells. Most dreams occur during rapid eye movement, or REM, sleep, when acetyl choline levels are high, as they also are during alert wakefulness. By observing the effects of deficiencies, scientists know that acetyl choline is essential to sleep, dreaming, learning and memory, although the precise nature of the connection is unclear. A healthy diet gives you all you need, but increasing your intake of foods rich in lecithin and B vitamins might help encourage more vivid dreams. Boosting the acetyl choline in your diet may encourage vivid dreams, but dream researcher Ryan Hurd advises exercising caution before taking dream-enhancing dietary supplements, since they can also encourage nightmares. According to Bastyr University, foods containing lecithin, often added as an emulsifier to mayonnaise, sauces and dressings, promote the production of acetylcholine in the body. Eggs, seafood, beans, broccoli, cauliflower, dairy products, nuts and other foods rich in B vitamins are all sources. DREAM RESEARCH Much is known about the physiology and biochemistry of sleep, yet why dreaming is vital to mental and physical health remains a disputed enigma. Some researchers maintain that dreams are the sleeping brain's equivalent of deleting junk email to highlight more important messages. Others ascribe great significance to dream imagery, believing it to be the language used by the unconscious to communicate with the conscious mind. Harvard University emeritus professor J. Allan Hobson, a modern pioneer of dream research, theorizes that whether asleep or awake, the mind has an overwhelming need to extract meaning from experience. A simpler theory holds that sleep and dreams are simply nature's way of keeping us out of trouble at night. On 2/1/2012 12:30 AM, Sameer wrote: Dear Rajesh Sir, I am a late blind& have been blind for nearly 11 years now. Before losing my sight, my dreams used to be visual with little participation from the other senses. But after losing sight, my dreams are now more balanced between the visuals& sounds. Perhaps the continuation of the visual portion of the dreams is because my brain has learned how to see& still applies the memories of things seen previously into my dreams. Regards Mr. Sameer Latey Mumbai, India - Original Message - From: "Asudani, Rajesh" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI,& hearing /speech impaired. One query to all those who have gone blind late in life and have memories of dreaming both as sighted and blind. Do dreams remain predominantly visual even after losing sight? -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rupa mukherjee Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:54 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hello friends, A very nice& interesting topic to discuss. It's an opportunity to know, how different people express their thoughts& desires while dreaming. We never decide to visualise unpleasant dreams, but still sometimes we see them. I would like to share my feelings& views on the same, hope many have the same view on this! I lost my vision about 26/years back, but still now in dreams, I see colours, faces& objects, which I never saw even! May be I am a late blind& seen colours& faces etc, helps me to visualise the things better, but how, is my question? I think, while talking to someone or touching or listening about something, we imagine a basic image of that person or object& in our dreams also we imagine that only. We might not visualise it actually, but as we imagine during talking, touching or listening, we imagine the same& say we can see all while dreaming. It's all our imagination power, which really allows us to see in dreams& smile! Sometimes in my dreams, I know I am blind, but still I see certain colours, objects etc, really don't know why? It's really a puzzle, how
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
Hello all, Thanks a lot to make this thread very interesting. Well, Vamsi sir, what are you thinking this? I was thinking to research on this subject, Then just hide my desire inside, but not control and thought to discuss on Access India. I read entire thread till its end. Now sharing my today’s breaking morning dream. In dream, I was talking on skype with my friend and discussed about something general news. It was my own room. Suddenly somebody knocked the door. I could not recognize who there was, even not visualize his or her face. Then my papa came with one man and informed me, Bijal, Deepak uncle and aunty are here. Then I came to know, oh, there was a lady, means aunty. Uncle asked me, Bijal, how are you? Then I don’t remember and dreamwas over. Now points are to be notable: In dream, .I could see my personal room completely. .I could not visualize the person’s face because he or she did not speak anything while knocking the door. .I could visualize my father’s face and voice because I’ve seen his face in past. .I could heard Deepak uncle’s voice because I talked with him on phone in waking life. But I could not see his perfect face and had to imagine his face after listening his voice. It might be happened because I talk him after losing my sight and never meet him till today. That's all. Bijal. On 1/30/12, Vamshi. G wrote: > Well, this seems to be a very interesting subject. once I finish my > PhD, I may take up a research on this subject. My sample consists of > born blind, late blind, deteriorating vision conditions, perfect > vision before becoming blind, etc., etc. I would like to know the > extent and variety of visualisations in dreams across these > categories. Interested people can join me. But as I said, after 3 > months. > > Vamshi > mobile: 9949349497 > -Original message- >> On 1/25/12, Pankaj Kwatra wrote: >>> Hello All, >>> >>> Brain power is really unexplored by science. How can a blind person see >>> faces of people with just listening to their voice or shake hand but it >>> is true. The image of any place is formed by spending some time at a >>> particular area. How can person with no vision guide complete route on >>> road without any visual inputs. The sense of smell , taste and hearing >>> becomes powerful , you can judge things by mere heat where every living >>> or mechanical energy in this world emits heat .The smell sensation >>> becomes very powerful , it becomes difficult to control but it can be >>> done with practice. Hearing power keeps the volume at 1 or it can go >>> down to minimum if focused with no distraction. >>> >>> RGDS, >>> >>> Pankaj Kwatra >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab >>> Husain >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:07 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >>> hearing /speech impaired. >>> >>> In some dreams I see all the colours and faces while in some not. My >>> laptop, I learnt a few days ago, is black. But I had thought that it >>> is my favourite white, and I continue to see it white! I wear a jacket >>> which is gray and black, but I used to think that it is my favourite >>> blue and still I see it blue! I lost vision gradually but pretty >>> curiously I suddenly realised that I have actually lost a considerable >>> amount of it because I was habitual of seeing things. This time also >>> my eyes are full of colours and brightness. Thank you, God! >>> >>> On 1/24/12, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>> Well, due to memory and reflexive habit, we tend to visualize to the >>> extent >>>> we could actually see once. >>>> >>>> This holds true for totally blind as well, for totally blind even by >>> birth >>>> are not usually plunged into total darkness unless they don't have >>> eyes and >>>> so on. >>>> So, we cannot go beyond actual visual percepts, not even in our >>> dreams. >>>> So, I hold all claims of inner eyes etc. to be totally bogus and >>> direly >>>> misplaced... >>>> A person who has never experienced light would essentially dream in a >>> way >>>> which does not include light, as I do dream without experiencing color >>> as I >>>> have never experienced it, and experience light only to a limited >>> degree >>>> which
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
Hello Folks, Please members also give inputs on dream during daytime or when person is awake as with no vision how does brain make out difference in day or night and something about conscious and unconscious state of mind plus any sleep disorders. Rgds, Pankaj Kwatra -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Himanshu Sahu Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:51 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. No Sir. Visual clarity is diminishing in my case. Even sometimes its blurred and difficult to ascertain whether in dream also I am imagining or actually experiencing the thing. I find a blue/black type of film hindering visualization. Now in many dreams, I act in a sighted manner (I lost my eyesight suddenly, 8 years back) but feel a sense of restriction like conscious or sub-conscious part of my mind is saying that I am blind and hence how is it possible? I too create imaginary pictures especially of human I interact with. But, inadvertently. And recently after getting it confirmed by sighted aid I found that it differs in case to case. Now, it also becomes difficult to determine whether any movie is seen in sighted or blindness condition. (on behalf of Rajesh Sir) On 1/24/12, Kotian, H P wrote: > Hi Bijal > > I suppose, dreams are just the manifestation of the world of your awakened > conscious state. What ever gives sensory inputs, those would be reflected in > the dream state. > > Continuing with Vetri's comments, sexual experiences in dream would be > triggered by biological factors like those of hormones, scent, thoughts etc. > > Interesting topic. > Harish Kotian. > > -Original Message- > From: bijal patel [mailto:bijalpatel...@gmail.com] > Sent: 23 January 2012 23:11 > To: accessindia > Subject: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing > /speech impaired. > > Dear friends, > It's just my curiosity to know about dreams during night of totally > and born blind as well as hearing/speech impaired person. > How are the dreams of such persons who never see colours in life? Is > there a dream of multi-coloured world? > And what about dreams of h i/ and s i, who never hear voice? > So please, explain. > Friends, this query is based only for scientific level. > Thanks. > Bijal Patel. > > > > Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, > review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in > this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you > have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or > telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any > attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for > the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for > any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n > > -- Thanks and regards Himanshu Sahu Reach: 09051055000 Skype: himanshu.cute4u Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n .. This e-mail message may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. It should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. If you have erroneously received this message, please delete it immediately and notify the sender. The recipient acknowledges that TECNOVATE ESOLUTIONS PRIVATE LIMITED (An Intelenet Group Company), is unable to exercise control or ensure or guarantee the integrity of/over the contents of the information contained in e-mail transmissions and further acknowledges that any views expressed
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
No Sir. Visual clarity is diminishing in my case. Even sometimes its blurred and difficult to ascertain whether in dream also I am imagining or actually experiencing the thing. I find a blue/black type of film hindering visualization. Now in many dreams, I act in a sighted manner (I lost my eyesight suddenly, 8 years back) but feel a sense of restriction like conscious or sub-conscious part of my mind is saying that I am blind and hence how is it possible? I too create imaginary pictures especially of human I interact with. But, inadvertently. And recently after getting it confirmed by sighted aid I found that it differs in case to case. Now, it also becomes difficult to determine whether any movie is seen in sighted or blindness condition. (on behalf of Rajesh Sir) On 1/24/12, Kotian, H P wrote: > Hi Bijal > > I suppose, dreams are just the manifestation of the world of your awakened > conscious state. What ever gives sensory inputs, those would be reflected in > the dream state. > > Continuing with Vetri's comments, sexual experiences in dream would be > triggered by biological factors like those of hormones, scent, thoughts etc. > > Interesting topic. > Harish Kotian. > > -Original Message- > From: bijal patel [mailto:bijalpatel...@gmail.com] > Sent: 23 January 2012 23:11 > To: accessindia > Subject: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing > /speech impaired. > > Dear friends, > It's just my curiosity to know about dreams during night of totally > and born blind as well as hearing/speech impaired person. > How are the dreams of such persons who never see colours in life? Is > there a dream of multi-coloured world? > And what about dreams of h i/ and s i, who never hear voice? > So please, explain. > Friends, this query is based only for scientific level. > Thanks. > Bijal Patel. > > > > Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, > review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in > this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you > have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or > telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any > attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for > the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for > any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > -- Thanks and regards Himanshu Sahu Reach: 09051055000 Skype: himanshu.cute4u Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
Thanks Rajesh, Many times, sighted people also visualise certain things, which are actually not there. They also say, there were some important portions, which they don't remember afterwards. It's actually the state of mind & some of our imaginations or hopes, which we think in our sub-conscious mind, while sleeping or just before we go to sleep! That stress converts into a dream later on! These are my views, don't know about others Thanks & regards On 2/1/12, Naushad Charivilayil wrote: > I am pasting an article about how to enhance dream below. > > Acetyl choline & Dreaming > > Acetyl choline is a neurotransmitter, a chemical that carries messages > between brain cells. Most dreams occur during rapid eye movement, or > REM, sleep, when > acetyl choline levels are high, as they also are during alert > wakefulness. By observing the effects of deficiencies, scientists know > that acetyl choline > is essential to sleep, dreaming, learning and memory, although the > precise nature of the connection is unclear. A healthy diet gives you > all you need, but increasing your intake of foods rich in lecithin and B > vitamins might help encourage more vivid dreams. > Boosting the acetyl choline in your diet may encourage vivid dreams, but > dream researcher Ryan Hurd advises exercising caution before taking > dream-enhancing > dietary supplements, since they can also encourage nightmares. According > to Bastyr University, foods containing lecithin, often added as an > emulsifier > to mayonnaise, sauces and dressings, promote the production of > acetylcholine in the body. Eggs, seafood, beans, broccoli, cauliflower, > dairy products, > nuts and other foods rich in B vitamins are all sources. > > DREAM RESEARCH > > Much is known about the physiology and biochemistry of sleep, yet why > dreaming is vital to mental and physical health remains a disputed > enigma. Some researchers > maintain that dreams are the sleeping brain's equivalent of deleting > junk email to highlight more important messages. Others ascribe great > significance > to dream imagery, believing it to be the language used by the > unconscious to communicate with the conscious mind. Harvard University > emeritus professor > J. Allan Hobson, a modern pioneer of dream research, theorizes that > whether asleep or awake, the mind has an overwhelming need to extract > meaning from > experience. A simpler theory holds that sleep and dreams are simply > nature's way of keeping us out of trouble at night. > > > On 2/1/2012 12:30 AM, Sameer wrote: >> >> Dear Rajesh Sir, >> >> I am a late blind & have been blind for nearly 11 years now. >> >> Before losing my sight, my dreams used to be visual with little >> participation from the other senses. But after losing sight, my dreams >> are now more balanced between the visuals & sounds. Perhaps the >> continuation of the visual portion of the dreams is because my brain >> has learned how to see & still applies the memories of things seen >> previously into my dreams. >> >> Regards >> Mr. Sameer Latey >> Mumbai, India >> - Original Message - From: "Asudani, Rajesh" >> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >> hearing /speech impaired. >> >> >>> One query to all those who have gone blind late in life and have >>> memories of dreaming both as sighted and blind. >>> Do dreams remain predominantly visual even after losing sight? >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rupa >>> mukherjee >>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:54 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, >>> & hearing /speech impaired. >>> >>> Hello friends, >>> A very nice & interesting topic to discuss. It's an opportunity to >>> know, how different people express their thoughts & desires while >>> dreaming. We never decide to visualise unpleasant dreams, but still >>> sometimes we see them. >>> I would like to share my feelings & views on the same, hope many have >>> the same view on this! >>> I lost my vision about 26/years back, but still now in dreams, I see >>> colours, faces & objects, which I never saw even! May be I am a late >>> blind & seen colours & faces etc, helps me to visualise th
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
Just to remind you, noone here is concerned with dream enhancement and that's beyond our subject here. Let's not deviate from the subject please? Vetri. I am in India at the moment. +919486123815. Sent from my Nokia N97 mini via BSNL internet using "talks", a screen reader for S60 devices. -original message- Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. From: Naushad Charivilayil Date: 02/01/2012 12:48 AM I am pasting an article about how to enhance dream below. Acetyl choline & Dreaming Acetyl choline is a neurotransmitter, a chemical that carries messages between brain cells. Most dreams occur during rapid eye movement, or REM, sleep, when acetyl choline levels are high, as they also are during alert wakefulness. By observing the effects of deficiencies, scientists know that acetyl choline is essential to sleep, dreaming, learning and memory, although the precise nature of the connection is unclear. A healthy diet gives you all you need, but increasing your intake of foods rich in lecithin and B vitamins might help encourage more vivid dreams. Boosting the acetyl choline in your diet may encourage vivid dreams, but dream researcher Ryan Hurd advises exercising caution before taking dream-enhancing dietary supplements, since they can also encourage nightmares. According to Bastyr University, foods containing lecithin, often added as an emulsifier to mayonnaise, sauces and dressings, promote the production of acetylcholine in the body. Eggs, seafood, beans, broccoli, cauliflower, dairy products, nuts and other foods rich in B vitamins are all sources. DREAM RESEARCH Much is known about the physiology and biochemistry of sleep, yet why dreaming is vital to mental and physical health remains a disputed enigma. Some researchers maintain that dreams are the sleeping brain's equivalent of deleting junk email to highlight more important messages. Others ascribe great significance to dream imagery, believing it to be the language used by the unconscious to communicate with the conscious mind. Harvard University emeritus professor J. Allan Hobson, a modern pioneer of dream research, theorizes that whether asleep or awake, the mind has an overwhelming need to extract meaning from experience. A simpler theory holds that sleep and dreams are simply nature's way of keeping us out of trouble at night. On 2/1/2012 12:30 AM, Sameer wrote: > > Dear Rajesh Sir, > > I am a late blind & have been blind for nearly 11 years now. > > Before losing my sight, my dreams used to be visual with little > participation from the other senses. But after losing sight, my dreams > are now more balanced between the visuals & sounds. Perhaps the > continuation of the visual portion of the dreams is because my brain > has learned how to see & still applies the memories of things seen > previously into my dreams. > > Regards > Mr. Sameer Latey > Mumbai, India > - Original Message - From: "Asudani, Rajesh" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & > hearing /speech impaired. > > >> One query to all those who have gone blind late in life and have >> memories of dreaming both as sighted and blind. >> Do dreams remain predominantly visual even after losing sight? >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rupa >> mukherjee >> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:54 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, >> & hearing /speech impaired. >> >> Hello friends, >> A very nice & interesting topic to discuss. It's an opportunity to >> know, how different people express their thoughts & desires while >> dreaming. We never decide to visualise unpleasant dreams, but still >> sometimes we see them. >> I would like to share my feelings & views on the same, hope many have >> the same view on this! >> I lost my vision about 26/years back, but still now in dreams, I see >> colours, faces & objects, which I never saw even! May be I am a late >> blind & seen colours & faces etc, helps me to visualise the things >> better, but how, is my question? >> >> I think, while talking to someone or touching or listening about >> something, we imagine a basic image of that person or object & in our >> dreams also we imagine that only. We might not visualise it actually, >> but as we imagine during talking, touching or listening, we imagi
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
I am pasting an article about how to enhance dream below. Acetyl choline & Dreaming Acetyl choline is a neurotransmitter, a chemical that carries messages between brain cells. Most dreams occur during rapid eye movement, or REM, sleep, when acetyl choline levels are high, as they also are during alert wakefulness. By observing the effects of deficiencies, scientists know that acetyl choline is essential to sleep, dreaming, learning and memory, although the precise nature of the connection is unclear. A healthy diet gives you all you need, but increasing your intake of foods rich in lecithin and B vitamins might help encourage more vivid dreams. Boosting the acetyl choline in your diet may encourage vivid dreams, but dream researcher Ryan Hurd advises exercising caution before taking dream-enhancing dietary supplements, since they can also encourage nightmares. According to Bastyr University, foods containing lecithin, often added as an emulsifier to mayonnaise, sauces and dressings, promote the production of acetylcholine in the body. Eggs, seafood, beans, broccoli, cauliflower, dairy products, nuts and other foods rich in B vitamins are all sources. DREAM RESEARCH Much is known about the physiology and biochemistry of sleep, yet why dreaming is vital to mental and physical health remains a disputed enigma. Some researchers maintain that dreams are the sleeping brain's equivalent of deleting junk email to highlight more important messages. Others ascribe great significance to dream imagery, believing it to be the language used by the unconscious to communicate with the conscious mind. Harvard University emeritus professor J. Allan Hobson, a modern pioneer of dream research, theorizes that whether asleep or awake, the mind has an overwhelming need to extract meaning from experience. A simpler theory holds that sleep and dreams are simply nature's way of keeping us out of trouble at night. On 2/1/2012 12:30 AM, Sameer wrote: Dear Rajesh Sir, I am a late blind & have been blind for nearly 11 years now. Before losing my sight, my dreams used to be visual with little participation from the other senses. But after losing sight, my dreams are now more balanced between the visuals & sounds. Perhaps the continuation of the visual portion of the dreams is because my brain has learned how to see & still applies the memories of things seen previously into my dreams. Regards Mr. Sameer Latey Mumbai, India - Original Message - From: "Asudani, Rajesh" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. One query to all those who have gone blind late in life and have memories of dreaming both as sighted and blind. Do dreams remain predominantly visual even after losing sight? -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rupa mukherjee Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:54 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hello friends, A very nice & interesting topic to discuss. It's an opportunity to know, how different people express their thoughts & desires while dreaming. We never decide to visualise unpleasant dreams, but still sometimes we see them. I would like to share my feelings & views on the same, hope many have the same view on this! I lost my vision about 26/years back, but still now in dreams, I see colours, faces & objects, which I never saw even! May be I am a late blind & seen colours & faces etc, helps me to visualise the things better, but how, is my question? I think, while talking to someone or touching or listening about something, we imagine a basic image of that person or object & in our dreams also we imagine that only. We might not visualise it actually, but as we imagine during talking, touching or listening, we imagine the same & say we can see all while dreaming. It's all our imagination power, which really allows us to see in dreams & smile! Sometimes in my dreams, I know I am blind, but still I see certain colours, objects etc, really don't know why? It's really a puzzle, how I visualise things in dreams, that too very clearly! I even see new things also very well! Very surprising, but it's true. I always regret, when the dream gets over! Thanks & regards On 1/28/12, Naushad Charivilayil wrote: We can assume human brain as an information limited sub-reality machine. Human brain create a sub-reality about what you see, hear, touch or feel through the skin. This phenomenon is called persistence. Remember, when your conscious, brain create a sub-reality, that happened micro-seconds ago. Same way, Brain can create a sub reality in the
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
Dear Rajesh Sir, I am a late blind & have been blind for nearly 11 years now. Before losing my sight, my dreams used to be visual with little participation from the other senses. But after losing sight, my dreams are now more balanced between the visuals & sounds. Perhaps the continuation of the visual portion of the dreams is because my brain has learned how to see & still applies the memories of things seen previously into my dreams. Regards Mr. Sameer Latey Mumbai, India - Original Message - From: "Asudani, Rajesh" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. One query to all those who have gone blind late in life and have memories of dreaming both as sighted and blind. Do dreams remain predominantly visual even after losing sight? -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rupa mukherjee Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:54 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hello friends, A very nice & interesting topic to discuss. It's an opportunity to know, how different people express their thoughts & desires while dreaming. We never decide to visualise unpleasant dreams, but still sometimes we see them. I would like to share my feelings & views on the same, hope many have the same view on this! I lost my vision about 26/years back, but still now in dreams, I see colours, faces & objects, which I never saw even! May be I am a late blind & seen colours & faces etc, helps me to visualise the things better, but how, is my question? I think, while talking to someone or touching or listening about something, we imagine a basic image of that person or object & in our dreams also we imagine that only. We might not visualise it actually, but as we imagine during talking, touching or listening, we imagine the same & say we can see all while dreaming. It's all our imagination power, which really allows us to see in dreams & smile! Sometimes in my dreams, I know I am blind, but still I see certain colours, objects etc, really don't know why? It's really a puzzle, how I visualise things in dreams, that too very clearly! I even see new things also very well! Very surprising, but it's true. I always regret, when the dream gets over! Thanks & regards On 1/28/12, Naushad Charivilayil wrote: We can assume human brain as an information limited sub-reality machine. Human brain create a sub-reality about what you see, hear, touch or feel through the skin. This phenomenon is called persistence. Remember, when your conscious, brain create a sub-reality, that happened micro-seconds ago. Same way, Brain can create a sub reality in the form of dreams because of your previous experiences like, peculiar thoughts, persistence of your surroundings, fearful experiences during your childhood period and so on, in the presence of subconscious mind. In this case your brain does not have previous experience of vision. So it is impossible to get a dream with eyesight. On 1/27/2012 7:31 PM, m.chandrashekar wrote: dear friends, i am getting dreams only voices, touches etc. no visual experiences. in the dream also i am blind. this is very bad. is there any methods to get visual dreams? i can imagine lot of things like a sighted man, but, it is not appearing as a dream. atleast in the dream, i wish to become sighted. with best regards m.chandru - Original Message - From: "bijal patel" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hello all, I lost my vision gradually and now even no light perception. If I am talking about dreams, no any difference between present and past. Same human being's faces, moments and world which I saw earlier. In my daily routine life, I feel same visualization of objects, places and relatives of which I saw in my past. Many times, during conversation, my mind starts to imajine very minor human actions like moments of eyes, lips, nose, including entire body according opposite person's voice and situation. So several times, I forget whether I have really no vision. I don't know it's a power of strong imagination, visualization or memory. Yes, it's true, now having no colour perception, my mind doesn't focus on colouring world, so many times, I use to ask colour of objects, and then no problem! Still waiting for experiences of totally/blind members. While writing mail, one more query, Is there any devise which can show our visualization or night dreams? Really smiling. Thanks a lot for all interest. Bijal. On 1/24/12, hemase...@ingvysyab
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In my case, they definitely do. Every little detail seems to emerge like a film rolling across a screen. In fact, like was said in some mails, persons and events that have occurred after losing sight also have a visual presence. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:17 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. One query to all those who have gone blind late in life and have memories of dreaming both as sighted and blind. Do dreams remain predominantly visual even after losing sight? -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rupa mukherjee Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:54 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hello friends, A very nice & interesting topic to discuss. It's an opportunity to know, how different people express their thoughts & desires while dreaming. We never decide to visualise unpleasant dreams, but still sometimes we see them. I would like to share my feelings & views on the same, hope many have the same view on this! I lost my vision about 26/years back, but still now in dreams, I see colours, faces & objects, which I never saw even! May be I am a late blind & seen colours & faces etc, helps me to visualise the things better, but how, is my question? I think, while talking to someone or touching or listening about something, we imagine a basic image of that person or object & in our dreams also we imagine that only. We might not visualise it actually, but as we imagine during talking, touching or listening, we imagine the same & say we can see all while dreaming. It's all our imagination power, which really allows us to see in dreams & smile! Sometimes in my dreams, I know I am blind, but still I see certain colours, objects etc, really don't know why? It's really a puzzle, how I visualise things in dreams, that too very clearly! I even see new things also very well! Very surprising, but it's true. I always regret, when the dream gets over! Thanks & regards On 1/28/12, Naushad Charivilayil wrote: > We can assume human brain as an information limited sub-reality machine. > Human brain create a sub-reality about what you see, hear, touch or feel > through the skin. This phenomenon is called persistence. Remember, when > your conscious, brain create a sub-reality, that happened micro-seconds > ago. Same way, Brain can create a sub reality in the form of dreams > because of your previous experiences like, peculiar thoughts, > persistence of your surroundings, fearful experiences during your > childhood period and so on, in the presence of subconscious mind. In > this case your brain does not have previous experience of vision. So it > is impossible to get a dream with eyesight. > > > On 1/27/2012 7:31 PM, m.chandrashekar wrote: >> dear friends, i am getting dreams only voices, touches etc. no visual >> experiences. in the dream also i am blind. this is very bad. is there >> any methods to get visual dreams? i can imagine lot of things like a >> sighted man, but, it is not appearing as a dream. atleast in the >> dream, i wish to become sighted. >> with best regards >> m.chandru >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "bijal patel" >> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >> hearing /speech impaired. >> >> >> Hello all, >> I lost my vision gradually and now even no light perception. If I am >> talking about dreams, no any difference between present and past. Same >> human being's faces, moments and world which I saw earlier. In my >> daily routine life, I feel same visualization of objects, places and >> relatives of which I saw in my past. Many times, during conversation, >> my mind starts to imajine very minor human actions like moments of >> eyes, lips, nose, including entire body according opposite person's >> voice and situation. So several times, I forget whether I have really >> no vision. I don't know it's a power of strong imagination, >> visualization or memory. Yes, it's true, now having no colour >> perception, my mind doesn't focus on colouring world, so many times, I >> use to ask colour of objects, and then no problem! >> Still waiting for experiences of totally/blind members. >> While writing mail, one more quer
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Hello Rajesh, No it is not always visual , many dreams are having no relevance to actual life, some dreams does not make any sense and very few are picked up or remembered after waking up. Rgds, Pankaj Kwatra -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:17 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. One query to all those who have gone blind late in life and have memories of dreaming both as sighted and blind. Do dreams remain predominantly visual even after losing sight? -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rupa mukherjee Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:54 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hello friends, A very nice & interesting topic to discuss. It's an opportunity to know, how different people express their thoughts & desires while dreaming. We never decide to visualise unpleasant dreams, but still sometimes we see them. I would like to share my feelings & views on the same, hope many have the same view on this! I lost my vision about 26/years back, but still now in dreams, I see colours, faces & objects, which I never saw even! May be I am a late blind & seen colours & faces etc, helps me to visualise the things better, but how, is my question? I think, while talking to someone or touching or listening about something, we imagine a basic image of that person or object & in our dreams also we imagine that only. We might not visualise it actually, but as we imagine during talking, touching or listening, we imagine the same & say we can see all while dreaming. It's all our imagination power, which really allows us to see in dreams & smile! Sometimes in my dreams, I know I am blind, but still I see certain colours, objects etc, really don't know why? It's really a puzzle, how I visualise things in dreams, that too very clearly! I even see new things also very well! Very surprising, but it's true. I always regret, when the dream gets over! Thanks & regards On 1/28/12, Naushad Charivilayil wrote: > We can assume human brain as an information limited sub-reality machine. > Human brain create a sub-reality about what you see, hear, touch or feel > through the skin. This phenomenon is called persistence. Remember, when > your conscious, brain create a sub-reality, that happened micro-seconds > ago. Same way, Brain can create a sub reality in the form of dreams > because of your previous experiences like, peculiar thoughts, > persistence of your surroundings, fearful experiences during your > childhood period and so on, in the presence of subconscious mind. In > this case your brain does not have previous experience of vision. So it > is impossible to get a dream with eyesight. > > > On 1/27/2012 7:31 PM, m.chandrashekar wrote: >> dear friends, i am getting dreams only voices, touches etc. no visual >> experiences. in the dream also i am blind. this is very bad. is there >> any methods to get visual dreams? i can imagine lot of things like a >> sighted man, but, it is not appearing as a dream. atleast in the >> dream, i wish to become sighted. >> with best regards >> m.chandru >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "bijal patel" >> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >> hearing /speech impaired. >> >> >> Hello all, >> I lost my vision gradually and now even no light perception. If I am >> talking about dreams, no any difference between present and past. Same >> human being's faces, moments and world which I saw earlier. In my >> daily routine life, I feel same visualization of objects, places and >> relatives of which I saw in my past. Many times, during conversation, >> my mind starts to imajine very minor human actions like moments of >> eyes, lips, nose, including entire body according opposite person's >> voice and situation. So several times, I forget whether I have really >> no vision. I don't know it's a power of strong imagination, >> visualization or memory. Yes, it's true, now having no colour >> perception, my mind doesn't focus on colouring world, so many times, I >> use to ask colour of objects, and then no problem! >> Still waiting for experiences of totally/blind members. >> While writing mail, one more query, Is there an
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
One query to all those who have gone blind late in life and have memories of dreaming both as sighted and blind. Do dreams remain predominantly visual even after losing sight? -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rupa mukherjee Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:54 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hello friends, A very nice & interesting topic to discuss. It's an opportunity to know, how different people express their thoughts & desires while dreaming. We never decide to visualise unpleasant dreams, but still sometimes we see them. I would like to share my feelings & views on the same, hope many have the same view on this! I lost my vision about 26/years back, but still now in dreams, I see colours, faces & objects, which I never saw even! May be I am a late blind & seen colours & faces etc, helps me to visualise the things better, but how, is my question? I think, while talking to someone or touching or listening about something, we imagine a basic image of that person or object & in our dreams also we imagine that only. We might not visualise it actually, but as we imagine during talking, touching or listening, we imagine the same & say we can see all while dreaming. It's all our imagination power, which really allows us to see in dreams & smile! Sometimes in my dreams, I know I am blind, but still I see certain colours, objects etc, really don't know why? It's really a puzzle, how I visualise things in dreams, that too very clearly! I even see new things also very well! Very surprising, but it's true. I always regret, when the dream gets over! Thanks & regards On 1/28/12, Naushad Charivilayil wrote: > We can assume human brain as an information limited sub-reality machine. > Human brain create a sub-reality about what you see, hear, touch or feel > through the skin. This phenomenon is called persistence. Remember, when > your conscious, brain create a sub-reality, that happened micro-seconds > ago. Same way, Brain can create a sub reality in the form of dreams > because of your previous experiences like, peculiar thoughts, > persistence of your surroundings, fearful experiences during your > childhood period and so on, in the presence of subconscious mind. In > this case your brain does not have previous experience of vision. So it > is impossible to get a dream with eyesight. > > > On 1/27/2012 7:31 PM, m.chandrashekar wrote: >> dear friends, i am getting dreams only voices, touches etc. no visual >> experiences. in the dream also i am blind. this is very bad. is there >> any methods to get visual dreams? i can imagine lot of things like a >> sighted man, but, it is not appearing as a dream. atleast in the >> dream, i wish to become sighted. >> with best regards >> m.chandru >> - Original Message - From: "bijal patel" >> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >> hearing /speech impaired. >> >> >> Hello all, >> I lost my vision gradually and now even no light perception. If I am >> talking about dreams, no any difference between present and past. Same >> human being's faces, moments and world which I saw earlier. In my >> daily routine life, I feel same visualization of objects, places and >> relatives of which I saw in my past. Many times, during conversation, >> my mind starts to imajine very minor human actions like moments of >> eyes, lips, nose, including entire body according opposite person's >> voice and situation. So several times, I forget whether I have really >> no vision. I don't know it's a power of strong imagination, >> visualization or memory. Yes, it's true, now having no colour >> perception, my mind doesn't focus on colouring world, so many times, I >> use to ask colour of objects, and then no problem! >> Still waiting for experiences of totally/blind members. >> While writing mail, one more query, Is there any devise which can show >> our visualization or night dreams? Really smiling. >> Thanks a lot for all interest. >> Bijal. >> >> On 1/24/12, hemase...@ingvysyabank.com >> wrote: >>> >>> I too lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period. I cont see >>> any >>> images.con't even see my parents faces. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessi
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Roopa I would like to comment on your line: "I even see new things also very well! Very surprising, but it's true."... >From my earlier comments on the matter, Now it would appear that a person not >having seen a particular thing cannot see it in a dream as well. However, once one has had a sensory experience, in this case of sight, then one can easily apply it to hitherto new and unknown objects as well. Even in waking life, you would try to visualize anything you have never actually seen while you were sighted, and are encountering it for the first time, because you have had sense of sight once, and now with cognitive tools available and whatever of information other senses furnish about a particular object, you tend to have a fix on that object by imaginatively applying sense of sight to it as well. The same holds true in dreams as well. However, please note that the visual image you would form of an unseen object would not be accurate to the degree expected if you were actually seeing it. Still, it would not be totally off the mark, as you are using your cognition and information of other senses to form the image. In dreams, all this gets greatly magnified and distorted. So, you may have a sense of wonder as how you are able to see hitherto unseen objects. It is a combination of your having experienced sight, present information about an object furnished by other senses, your own cognitive setup and dream distortion/condensation. So, I still do hold we do not transcend our sensory reality even in our dreams. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rupa mukherjee Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:54 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hello friends, A very nice & interesting topic to discuss. It's an opportunity to know, how different people express their thoughts & desires while dreaming. We never decide to visualise unpleasant dreams, but still sometimes we see them. I would like to share my feelings & views on the same, hope many have the same view on this! I lost my vision about 26/years back, but still now in dreams, I see colours, faces & objects, which I never saw even! May be I am a late blind & seen colours & faces etc, helps me to visualise the things better, but how, is my question? I think, while talking to someone or touching or listening about something, we imagine a basic image of that person or object & in our dreams also we imagine that only. We might not visualise it actually, but as we imagine during talking, touching or listening, we imagine the same & say we can see all while dreaming. It's all our imagination power, which really allows us to see in dreams & smile! Sometimes in my dreams, I know I am blind, but still I see certain colours, objects etc, really don't know why? It's really a puzzle, how I visualise things in dreams, that too very clearly! I even see new things also very well! Very surprising, but it's true. I always regret, when the dream gets over! Thanks & regards On 1/28/12, Naushad Charivilayil wrote: > We can assume human brain as an information limited sub-reality machine. > Human brain create a sub-reality about what you see, hear, touch or feel > through the skin. This phenomenon is called persistence. Remember, when > your conscious, brain create a sub-reality, that happened micro-seconds > ago. Same way, Brain can create a sub reality in the form of dreams > because of your previous experiences like, peculiar thoughts, > persistence of your surroundings, fearful experiences during your > childhood period and so on, in the presence of subconscious mind. In > this case your brain does not have previous experience of vision. So it > is impossible to get a dream with eyesight. > > > On 1/27/2012 7:31 PM, m.chandrashekar wrote: >> dear friends, i am getting dreams only voices, touches etc. no visual >> experiences. in the dream also i am blind. this is very bad. is there >> any methods to get visual dreams? i can imagine lot of things like a >> sighted man, but, it is not appearing as a dream. atleast in the >> dream, i wish to become sighted. >> with best regards >> m.chandru >> - Original Message - From: "bijal patel" >> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >> hearing /speech impaired. >> >> >> Hello all, >> I lost my vision gradually and now even no light perception. If I am >> talking about dreams, no any difference between present and past. Same >> human being's faces, moments
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Sorry for the earlier mail. I was typing something somewhere else. I Pressed the enter key by mistake. On 1/30/12, Vamshi. G wrote: > pilgrims > > On 1/30/12, Vamshi. G wrote: >> Well, this seems to be a very interesting subject. once I finish my >> PhD, I may take up a research on this subject. My sample consists of >> born blind, late blind, deteriorating vision conditions, perfect >> vision before becoming blind, etc., etc. I would like to know the >> extent and variety of visualisations in dreams across these >> categories. Interested people can join me. But as I said, after 3 >> months. >> >> Vamshi >> mobile: 9949349497 >> -Original message- >>> On 1/25/12, Pankaj Kwatra wrote: >>>> Hello All, >>>> >>>> Brain power is really unexplored by science. How can a blind person see >>>> faces of people with just listening to their voice or shake hand but it >>>> is true. The image of any place is formed by spending some time at a >>>> particular area. How can person with no vision guide complete route on >>>> road without any visual inputs. The sense of smell , taste and hearing >>>> becomes powerful , you can judge things by mere heat where every living >>>> or mechanical energy in this world emits heat .The smell sensation >>>> becomes very powerful , it becomes difficult to control but it can be >>>> done with practice. Hearing power keeps the volume at 1 or it can go >>>> down to minimum if focused with no distraction. >>>> >>>> RGDS, >>>> >>>> Pankaj Kwatra >>>> >>>> -----Original Message- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab >>>> Husain >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:07 PM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >>>> hearing /speech impaired. >>>> >>>> In some dreams I see all the colours and faces while in some not. My >>>> laptop, I learnt a few days ago, is black. But I had thought that it >>>> is my favourite white, and I continue to see it white! I wear a jacket >>>> which is gray and black, but I used to think that it is my favourite >>>> blue and still I see it blue! I lost vision gradually but pretty >>>> curiously I suddenly realised that I have actually lost a considerable >>>> amount of it because I was habitual of seeing things. This time also >>>> my eyes are full of colours and brightness. Thank you, God! >>>> >>>> On 1/24/12, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>>> Well, due to memory and reflexive habit, we tend to visualize to the >>>> extent >>>>> we could actually see once. >>>>> >>>>> This holds true for totally blind as well, for totally blind even by >>>> birth >>>>> are not usually plunged into total darkness unless they don't have >>>> eyes and >>>>> so on. >>>>> So, we cannot go beyond actual visual percepts, not even in our >>>> dreams. >>>>> So, I hold all claims of inner eyes etc. to be totally bogus and >>>> direly >>>>> misplaced... >>>>> A person who has never experienced light would essentially dream in a >>>> way >>>>> which does not include light, as I do dream without experiencing color >>>> as I >>>>> have never experienced it, and experience light only to a limited >>>> degree >>>>> which corresponds to my actual light perception. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bijal >>>> patel >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:31 PM >>>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >>>>> hearing /speech impaired. >>>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> I lost my vision gradually and now even no light perception. If I am >>>>> talking about dreams, no any difference between present and past. Same >>>>> human being's faces, moments and world
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pilgrims On 1/30/12, Vamshi. G wrote: > Well, this seems to be a very interesting subject. once I finish my > PhD, I may take up a research on this subject. My sample consists of > born blind, late blind, deteriorating vision conditions, perfect > vision before becoming blind, etc., etc. I would like to know the > extent and variety of visualisations in dreams across these > categories. Interested people can join me. But as I said, after 3 > months. > > Vamshi > mobile: 9949349497 > -Original message- >> On 1/25/12, Pankaj Kwatra wrote: >>> Hello All, >>> >>> Brain power is really unexplored by science. How can a blind person see >>> faces of people with just listening to their voice or shake hand but it >>> is true. The image of any place is formed by spending some time at a >>> particular area. How can person with no vision guide complete route on >>> road without any visual inputs. The sense of smell , taste and hearing >>> becomes powerful , you can judge things by mere heat where every living >>> or mechanical energy in this world emits heat .The smell sensation >>> becomes very powerful , it becomes difficult to control but it can be >>> done with practice. Hearing power keeps the volume at 1 or it can go >>> down to minimum if focused with no distraction. >>> >>> RGDS, >>> >>> Pankaj Kwatra >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab >>> Husain >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:07 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >>> hearing /speech impaired. >>> >>> In some dreams I see all the colours and faces while in some not. My >>> laptop, I learnt a few days ago, is black. But I had thought that it >>> is my favourite white, and I continue to see it white! I wear a jacket >>> which is gray and black, but I used to think that it is my favourite >>> blue and still I see it blue! I lost vision gradually but pretty >>> curiously I suddenly realised that I have actually lost a considerable >>> amount of it because I was habitual of seeing things. This time also >>> my eyes are full of colours and brightness. Thank you, God! >>> >>> On 1/24/12, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>> Well, due to memory and reflexive habit, we tend to visualize to the >>> extent >>>> we could actually see once. >>>> >>>> This holds true for totally blind as well, for totally blind even by >>> birth >>>> are not usually plunged into total darkness unless they don't have >>> eyes and >>>> so on. >>>> So, we cannot go beyond actual visual percepts, not even in our >>> dreams. >>>> So, I hold all claims of inner eyes etc. to be totally bogus and >>> direly >>>> misplaced... >>>> A person who has never experienced light would essentially dream in a >>> way >>>> which does not include light, as I do dream without experiencing color >>> as I >>>> have never experienced it, and experience light only to a limited >>> degree >>>> which corresponds to my actual light perception. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bijal >>> patel >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:31 PM >>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >>>> hearing /speech impaired. >>>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> I lost my vision gradually and now even no light perception. If I am >>>> talking about dreams, no any difference between present and past. Same >>>> human being's faces, moments and world which I saw earlier. In my >>>> daily routine life, I feel same visualization of objects, places and >>>> relatives of which I saw in my past. Many times, during conversation, >>>> my mind starts to imajine very minor human actions like moments of >>>> eyes, lips, nose, including entire body according opposite person's >>>> voice and situation. So several times, I forget whether I have really >>>> no vision. I don't
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
Well, this seems to be a very interesting subject. once I finish my PhD, I may take up a research on this subject. My sample consists of born blind, late blind, deteriorating vision conditions, perfect vision before becoming blind, etc., etc. I would like to know the extent and variety of visualisations in dreams across these categories. Interested people can join me. But as I said, after 3 months. Vamshi mobile: 9949349497 -Original message- > On 1/25/12, Pankaj Kwatra wrote: >> Hello All, >> >> Brain power is really unexplored by science. How can a blind person see >> faces of people with just listening to their voice or shake hand but it >> is true. The image of any place is formed by spending some time at a >> particular area. How can person with no vision guide complete route on >> road without any visual inputs. The sense of smell , taste and hearing >> becomes powerful , you can judge things by mere heat where every living >> or mechanical energy in this world emits heat .The smell sensation >> becomes very powerful , it becomes difficult to control but it can be >> done with practice. Hearing power keeps the volume at 1 or it can go >> down to minimum if focused with no distraction. >> >> RGDS, >> >> Pankaj Kwatra >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab >> Husain >> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:07 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >> hearing /speech impaired. >> >> In some dreams I see all the colours and faces while in some not. My >> laptop, I learnt a few days ago, is black. But I had thought that it >> is my favourite white, and I continue to see it white! I wear a jacket >> which is gray and black, but I used to think that it is my favourite >> blue and still I see it blue! I lost vision gradually but pretty >> curiously I suddenly realised that I have actually lost a considerable >> amount of it because I was habitual of seeing things. This time also >> my eyes are full of colours and brightness. Thank you, God! >> >> On 1/24/12, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>> Well, due to memory and reflexive habit, we tend to visualize to the >> extent >>> we could actually see once. >>> >>> This holds true for totally blind as well, for totally blind even by >> birth >>> are not usually plunged into total darkness unless they don't have >> eyes and >>> so on. >>> So, we cannot go beyond actual visual percepts, not even in our >> dreams. >>> So, I hold all claims of inner eyes etc. to be totally bogus and >> direly >>> misplaced... >>> A person who has never experienced light would essentially dream in a >> way >>> which does not include light, as I do dream without experiencing color >> as I >>> have never experienced it, and experience light only to a limited >> degree >>> which corresponds to my actual light perception. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bijal >> patel >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:31 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >>> hearing /speech impaired. >>> >>> Hello all, >>> I lost my vision gradually and now even no light perception. If I am >>> talking about dreams, no any difference between present and past. Same >>> human being's faces, moments and world which I saw earlier. In my >>> daily routine life, I feel same visualization of objects, places and >>> relatives of which I saw in my past. Many times, during conversation, >>> my mind starts to imajine very minor human actions like moments of >>> eyes, lips, nose, including entire body according opposite person's >>> voice and situation. So several times, I forget whether I have really >>> no vision. I don't know it's a power of strong imagination, >>> visualization or memory. Yes, it's true, now having no colour >>> perception, my mind doesn't focus on colouring world, so many times, I >>> use to ask colour of objects, and then no problem! >>> Still waiting for experiences of totally/blind members. >>> While writing mail, one more query, Is there any d
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Hello friends, A very nice & interesting topic to discuss. It’s an opportunity to know, how different people express their thoughts & desires while dreaming. We never decide to visualise unpleasant dreams, but still sometimes we see them. I would like to share my feelings & views on the same, hope many have the same view on this! I lost my vision about 26/years back, but still now in dreams, I see colours, faces & objects, which I never saw even! May be I am a late blind & seen colours & faces etc, helps me to visualise the things better, but how, is my question? I think, while talking to someone or touching or listening about something, we imagine a basic image of that person or object & in our dreams also we imagine that only. We might not visualise it actually, but as we imagine during talking, touching or listening, we imagine the same & say we can see all while dreaming. It’s all our imagination power, which really allows us to see in dreams & smile! Sometimes in my dreams, I know I am blind, but still I see certain colours, objects etc, really don’t know why? It’s really a puzzle, how I visualise things in dreams, that too very clearly! I even see new things also very well! Very surprising, but it’s true. I always regret, when the dream gets over! Thanks & regards On 1/28/12, Naushad Charivilayil wrote: > We can assume human brain as an information limited sub-reality machine. > Human brain create a sub-reality about what you see, hear, touch or feel > through the skin. This phenomenon is called persistence. Remember, when > your conscious, brain create a sub-reality, that happened micro-seconds > ago. Same way, Brain can create a sub reality in the form of dreams > because of your previous experiences like, peculiar thoughts, > persistence of your surroundings, fearful experiences during your > childhood period and so on, in the presence of subconscious mind. In > this case your brain does not have previous experience of vision. So it > is impossible to get a dream with eyesight. > > > On 1/27/2012 7:31 PM, m.chandrashekar wrote: >> dear friends, i am getting dreams only voices, touches etc. no visual >> experiences. in the dream also i am blind. this is very bad. is there >> any methods to get visual dreams? i can imagine lot of things like a >> sighted man, but, it is not appearing as a dream. atleast in the >> dream, i wish to become sighted. >> with best regards >> m.chandru >> ----- Original Message - From: "bijal patel" >> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >> hearing /speech impaired. >> >> >> Hello all, >> I lost my vision gradually and now even no light perception. If I am >> talking about dreams, no any difference between present and past. Same >> human being’s faces, moments and world which I saw earlier. In my >> daily routine life, I feel same visualization of objects, places and >> relatives of which I saw in my past. Many times, during conversation, >> my mind starts to imajine very minor human actions like moments of >> eyes, lips, nose, including entire body according opposite person’s >> voice and situation. So several times, I forget whether I have really >> no vision. I don’t know it’s a power of strong imagination, >> visualization or memory. Yes, it’s true, now having no colour >> perception, my mind doesn’t focus on colouring world, so many times, I >> use to ask colour of objects, and then no problem! >> Still waiting for experiences of totally/blind members. >> While writing mail, one more query, Is there any devise which can show >> our visualization or night dreams? Really smiling. >> Thanks a lot for all interest. >> Bijal. >> >> On 1/24/12, hemase...@ingvysyabank.com >> wrote: >>> >>> I too lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period. I cont see >>> any >>> images.con't even see my parents faces. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]On Behalf Of Sudhir R >>> (NeSTIT) >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:41 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI,& >>> hearing /speech impaired. >>> >>> >>> Did you lose your eye sight instantaneously (as in an accident like >>> Harish) or over a very brief period of time (like Payal ) ? >>> >>> In such cases, the images stored in your brain must be crystal cl
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We can assume human brain as an information limited sub-reality machine. Human brain create a sub-reality about what you see, hear, touch or feel through the skin. This phenomenon is called persistence. Remember, when your conscious, brain create a sub-reality, that happened micro-seconds ago. Same way, Brain can create a sub reality in the form of dreams because of your previous experiences like, peculiar thoughts, persistence of your surroundings, fearful experiences during your childhood period and so on, in the presence of subconscious mind. In this case your brain does not have previous experience of vision. So it is impossible to get a dream with eyesight. On 1/27/2012 7:31 PM, m.chandrashekar wrote: dear friends, i am getting dreams only voices, touches etc. no visual experiences. in the dream also i am blind. this is very bad. is there any methods to get visual dreams? i can imagine lot of things like a sighted man, but, it is not appearing as a dream. atleast in the dream, i wish to become sighted. with best regards m.chandru - Original Message - From: "bijal patel" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hello all, I lost my vision gradually and now even no light perception. If I am talking about dreams, no any difference between present and past. Same human being’s faces, moments and world which I saw earlier. In my daily routine life, I feel same visualization of objects, places and relatives of which I saw in my past. Many times, during conversation, my mind starts to imajine very minor human actions like moments of eyes, lips, nose, including entire body according opposite person’s voice and situation. So several times, I forget whether I have really no vision. I don’t know it’s a power of strong imagination, visualization or memory. Yes, it’s true, now having no colour perception, my mind doesn’t focus on colouring world, so many times, I use to ask colour of objects, and then no problem! Still waiting for experiences of totally/blind members. While writing mail, one more query, Is there any devise which can show our visualization or night dreams? Really smiling. Thanks a lot for all interest. Bijal. On 1/24/12, hemase...@ingvysyabank.com wrote: I too lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period. I cont see any images.con't even see my parents faces. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]On Behalf Of Sudhir R (NeSTIT) Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:41 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI,& hearing /speech impaired. Did you lose your eye sight instantaneously (as in an accident like Harish) or over a very brief period of time (like Payal ) ? In such cases, the images stored in your brain must be crystal clear till the "n- 1'st moment. In my case, I lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period Perhaps, my brain stored progressively degraded images. Does this explain the difference between the two sets of contradictory reports ? (smile) -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sandeep Singh Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:33 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hi, My experience is totally different. I still see the images and colours and evrything else as vividly as I used to. I can even see the faces of people exactly as I remember them and also as Harish wrote of those I have never seen. Best regards, Sandeep At 11:54 AM 24-01-12, you wrote: Yes, indeed, Rajesh, there is a gradual deterioration in the quality of images during dreams over the last 11 years of my total sight impairment. As if, the archived visual data is degrading over a period of time. This is surprising, since I was under the impression that the brain continued to store information with data integrity even long after the individual could actually recollect it. I have read about experiments where electrical stimulation of brain areas made the person actually hear a song long after he had ceased to remember it. Your considered views on this interesting subject, please, as an expert in human Psychology. (smile) RS -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:09 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. I wonder how clearly those who have lost sight late in life can have visual perceptions in dreams? Whether clarity dimi
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dear chandoo, Your atitudes are positive. Are you congenital blind or acquired? Because i got the dreams in my n r e m sleep means non rapid eye movement. I can see the each and everything in my dream. I was blind in 1982 that time my age was 10 years, although i remembered my relatives face, colours and dress. My blindness cause is unknown. Now i am totally blind. But sometimes i hate the blindness such as in road trafic and in croudy places because i am staying in the big city of mumbai. I thanks god that he gave me a sighted counterpartner in my life. Therefore i got some relief. Thanks with regards, Ravi. On 1/27/12, m.chandrashekar wrote: > dear friends, i am getting dreams only voices, touches etc. no visual > experiences. in the dream also i am blind. this is very bad. is there any > methods to get visual dreams? i can imagine lot of things like a sighted > man, but, it is not appearing as a dream. atleast in the dream, i wish to > become sighted. > with best regards > m.chandru > - Original Message - > From: "bijal patel" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:31 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & > hearing /speech impaired. > > > Hello all, > I lost my vision gradually and now even no light perception. If I am > talking about dreams, no any difference between present and past. Same > human being’s faces, moments and world which I saw earlier. In my > daily routine life, I feel same visualization of objects, places and > relatives of which I saw in my past. Many times, during conversation, > my mind starts to imajine very minor human actions like moments of > eyes, lips, nose, including entire body according opposite person’s > voice and situation. So several times, I forget whether I have really > no vision. I don’t know it’s a power of strong imagination, > visualization or memory. Yes, it’s true, now having no colour > perception, my mind doesn’t focus on colouring world, so many times, I > use to ask colour of objects, and then no problem! > Still waiting for experiences of totally/blind members. > While writing mail, one more query, Is there any devise which can show > our visualization or night dreams? Really smiling. > Thanks a lot for all interest. > Bijal. > > On 1/24/12, hemase...@ingvysyabank.com wrote: >> >> I too lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period. I cont see any >> images.con't even see my parents faces. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]On Behalf Of Sudhir R >> (NeSTIT) >> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:41 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI,& >> hearing /speech impaired. >> >> >> Did you lose your eye sight instantaneously (as in an accident like >> Harish) or over a very brief period of time (like Payal ) ? >> >> In such cases, the images stored in your brain must be crystal clear >> till the "n- 1'st moment. >> >> In my case, I lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period >> Perhaps, my brain stored progressively degraded images. >> >> Does this explain the difference between the two sets of contradictory >> reports ? (smile) >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sandeep >> Singh >> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:33 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >> hearing /speech impaired. >> >> Hi, >> My experience is totally different. I still see the images and >> colours and evrything else as vividly as I used to. I can even see >> the faces of people exactly as I remember them and also as Harish >> wrote of those I have never seen. >> Best regards, >> Sandeep >> >> At 11:54 AM 24-01-12, you wrote: >>>Yes, indeed, Rajesh, there is a gradual deterioration in the quality of >>>images during dreams over the last 11 years of my total sight >>>impairment. As if, the archived visual data is degrading over a >> period >>>of time. >>> >>>This is surprising, since I was under the impression that the brain >>>continued to store information with data integrity even long after the >>>individual could actually recollect it. I have read about experiments >>>where electrical stimulation of brain areas made the person actually >>>hear a song
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
dear friends, i am getting dreams only voices, touches etc. no visual experiences. in the dream also i am blind. this is very bad. is there any methods to get visual dreams? i can imagine lot of things like a sighted man, but, it is not appearing as a dream. atleast in the dream, i wish to become sighted. with best regards m.chandru - Original Message - From: "bijal patel" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hello all, I lost my vision gradually and now even no light perception. If I am talking about dreams, no any difference between present and past. Same human being’s faces, moments and world which I saw earlier. In my daily routine life, I feel same visualization of objects, places and relatives of which I saw in my past. Many times, during conversation, my mind starts to imajine very minor human actions like moments of eyes, lips, nose, including entire body according opposite person’s voice and situation. So several times, I forget whether I have really no vision. I don’t know it’s a power of strong imagination, visualization or memory. Yes, it’s true, now having no colour perception, my mind doesn’t focus on colouring world, so many times, I use to ask colour of objects, and then no problem! Still waiting for experiences of totally/blind members. While writing mail, one more query, Is there any devise which can show our visualization or night dreams? Really smiling. Thanks a lot for all interest. Bijal. On 1/24/12, hemase...@ingvysyabank.com wrote: I too lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period. I cont see any images.con't even see my parents faces. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]On Behalf Of Sudhir R (NeSTIT) Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:41 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI,& hearing /speech impaired. Did you lose your eye sight instantaneously (as in an accident like Harish) or over a very brief period of time (like Payal ) ? In such cases, the images stored in your brain must be crystal clear till the "n- 1'st moment. In my case, I lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period Perhaps, my brain stored progressively degraded images. Does this explain the difference between the two sets of contradictory reports ? (smile) -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sandeep Singh Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:33 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hi, My experience is totally different. I still see the images and colours and evrything else as vividly as I used to. I can even see the faces of people exactly as I remember them and also as Harish wrote of those I have never seen. Best regards, Sandeep At 11:54 AM 24-01-12, you wrote: Yes, indeed, Rajesh, there is a gradual deterioration in the quality of images during dreams over the last 11 years of my total sight impairment. As if, the archived visual data is degrading over a period of time. This is surprising, since I was under the impression that the brain continued to store information with data integrity even long after the individual could actually recollect it. I have read about experiments where electrical stimulation of brain areas made the person actually hear a song long after he had ceased to remember it. Your considered views on this interesting subject, please, as an expert in human Psychology. (smile) RS -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:09 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. I wonder how clearly those who have lost sight late in life can have visual perceptions in dreams? Whether clarity diminishes with passage of time? because they don't have visual sensations now in their waking life? -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:58 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hi Bijal I suppose, dreams are just the manifestation of the world of your awakened conscious state. What ever gives sensory inputs, those would be reflected in the dream state. Continuing with Vetri's comments, sexual experiences in dream would be triggered by biological factor
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
Hello All, Brain power is really unexplored by science. How can a blind person see faces of people with just listening to their voice or shake hand but it is true. The image of any place is formed by spending some time at a particular area. How can person with no vision guide complete route on road without any visual inputs. The sense of smell , taste and hearing becomes powerful , you can judge things by mere heat where every living or mechanical energy in this world emits heat .The smell sensation becomes very powerful , it becomes difficult to control but it can be done with practice. Hearing power keeps the volume at 1 or it can go down to minimum if focused with no distraction. RGDS, Pankaj Kwatra -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:07 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. In some dreams I see all the colours and faces while in some not. My laptop, I learnt a few days ago, is black. But I had thought that it is my favourite white, and I continue to see it white! I wear a jacket which is gray and black, but I used to think that it is my favourite blue and still I see it blue! I lost vision gradually but pretty curiously I suddenly realised that I have actually lost a considerable amount of it because I was habitual of seeing things. This time also my eyes are full of colours and brightness. Thank you, God! On 1/24/12, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > Well, due to memory and reflexive habit, we tend to visualize to the extent > we could actually see once. > > This holds true for totally blind as well, for totally blind even by birth > are not usually plunged into total darkness unless they don't have eyes and > so on. > So, we cannot go beyond actual visual percepts, not even in our dreams. > So, I hold all claims of inner eyes etc. to be totally bogus and direly > misplaced... > A person who has never experienced light would essentially dream in a way > which does not include light, as I do dream without experiencing color as I > have never experienced it, and experience light only to a limited degree > which corresponds to my actual light perception. > > > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bijal patel > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:31 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & > hearing /speech impaired. > > Hello all, > I lost my vision gradually and now even no light perception. If I am > talking about dreams, no any difference between present and past. Same > human being's faces, moments and world which I saw earlier. In my > daily routine life, I feel same visualization of objects, places and > relatives of which I saw in my past. Many times, during conversation, > my mind starts to imajine very minor human actions like moments of > eyes, lips, nose, including entire body according opposite person's > voice and situation. So several times, I forget whether I have really > no vision. I don't know it's a power of strong imagination, > visualization or memory. Yes, it's true, now having no colour > perception, my mind doesn't focus on colouring world, so many times, I > use to ask colour of objects, and then no problem! > Still waiting for experiences of totally/blind members. > While writing mail, one more query, Is there any devise which can show > our visualization or night dreams? Really smiling. > Thanks a lot for all interest. > Bijal. > > On 1/24/12, hemase...@ingvysyabank.com wrote: >> >> I too lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period. I cont see any >> images.con't even see my parents faces. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]On Behalf Of Sudhir R >> (NeSTIT) >> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:41 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI,& >> hearing /speech impaired. >> >> >> Did you lose your eye sight instantaneously (as in an accident like >> Harish) or over a very brief period of time (like Payal ) ? >> >> In such cases, the images stored in your brain must be crystal clear >> till the "n- 1'st moment. >> >> In my case, I lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period >> Perhaps, my brain stored progressively degraded images. >> >> Does this
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
Hi, First of all, this is a wonderful discussion. Thanks for starting this thread. coming to the point, in none of my dreams was I a sighted person. I was always a visually challenged person in my dreams, though I dream of becoming a sighted person one day(smile). In fact, I still get a dream wherein I have to go home with sunlight deteriorating. This is because I can't navigate alone in darkness. This emphasises what learned experts have said, dreams are only an extension and/or reflection of our personal, emotional, behavioural, and situational factors. Coming to impact of blindness by birth, blindness in childhood and deteriorating vision conditions on dreams, I can only comment on the third as I fall in that category. I can see in dreams only what I can see when I'm awake. For example, if it is day time in dreams, I can see well. But if I have a dream of boarding a bus during night time along with someone, I can only feel the steps of the bus, the crowd around, the bus seats, etc, and nothing else. Coming to impact of past vision condition on dreams, honestly I can't recollect how I used to dream and compare it with how I'm dreaming now. But I feel I can see more in dreams than what I can see when I'm awake. This goes with what Harish sir wrote. But I can't compare between situations/locations/persons that I'm familiar with now or in the past and those I'm not familiar with. I feel familiarity with a situation or location or person has some impact on his vision condition in his dreams, if the person is experiencing/ has experienced deteriorating vision conditions. I request everyone to specifically mention the mail he/she is replying to as this is a complicated subject as it would help in understanding things better. I also request someone like Rajesh sir to contemplate pursuing a small research on this issue. We can come up with a questionnaire and get it filled by people. We can then analyse, interpret, and draw some conclusion. It can be on a very small scale. r On 1/24/12, Shadab Husain wrote: > In some dreams I see all the colours and faces while in some not. My > laptop, I learnt a few days ago, is black. But I had thought that it > is my favourite white, and I continue to see it white! I wear a jacket > which is gray and black, but I used to think that it is my favourite > blue and still I see it blue! I lost vision gradually but pretty > curiously I suddenly realised that I have actually lost a considerable > amount of it because I was habitual of seeing things. This time also > my eyes are full of colours and brightness. Thank you, God! > > On 1/24/12, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> Well, due to memory and reflexive habit, we tend to visualize to the >> extent >> we could actually see once. >> >> This holds true for totally blind as well, for totally blind even by birth >> are not usually plunged into total darkness unless they don't have eyes >> and >> so on. >> So, we cannot go beyond actual visual percepts, not even in our dreams. >> So, I hold all claims of inner eyes etc. to be totally bogus and direly >> misplaced... >> A person who has never experienced light would essentially dream in a way >> which does not include light, as I do dream without experiencing color as >> I >> have never experienced it, and experience light only to a limited degree >> which corresponds to my actual light perception. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bijal patel >> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:31 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >> hearing /speech impaired. >> >> Hello all, >> I lost my vision gradually and now even no light perception. If I am >> talking about dreams, no any difference between present and past. Same >> human being's faces, moments and world which I saw earlier. In my >> daily routine life, I feel same visualization of objects, places and >> relatives of which I saw in my past. Many times, during conversation, >> my mind starts to imajine very minor human actions like moments of >> eyes, lips, nose, including entire body according opposite person's >> voice and situation. So several times, I forget whether I have really >> no vision. I don't know it's a power of strong imagination, >> visualization or memory. Yes, it's true, now having no colour >> perception, my mind doesn't focus on colouring world, so many times, I >> use to ask colour of objects, and then no problem! >> Still waiting for experiences o
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
In some dreams I see all the colours and faces while in some not. My laptop, I learnt a few days ago, is black. But I had thought that it is my favourite white, and I continue to see it white! I wear a jacket which is gray and black, but I used to think that it is my favourite blue and still I see it blue! I lost vision gradually but pretty curiously I suddenly realised that I have actually lost a considerable amount of it because I was habitual of seeing things. This time also my eyes are full of colours and brightness. Thank you, God! On 1/24/12, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > Well, due to memory and reflexive habit, we tend to visualize to the extent > we could actually see once. > > This holds true for totally blind as well, for totally blind even by birth > are not usually plunged into total darkness unless they don't have eyes and > so on. > So, we cannot go beyond actual visual percepts, not even in our dreams. > So, I hold all claims of inner eyes etc. to be totally bogus and direly > misplaced... > A person who has never experienced light would essentially dream in a way > which does not include light, as I do dream without experiencing color as I > have never experienced it, and experience light only to a limited degree > which corresponds to my actual light perception. > > > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bijal patel > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:31 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & > hearing /speech impaired. > > Hello all, > I lost my vision gradually and now even no light perception. If I am > talking about dreams, no any difference between present and past. Same > human being's faces, moments and world which I saw earlier. In my > daily routine life, I feel same visualization of objects, places and > relatives of which I saw in my past. Many times, during conversation, > my mind starts to imajine very minor human actions like moments of > eyes, lips, nose, including entire body according opposite person's > voice and situation. So several times, I forget whether I have really > no vision. I don't know it's a power of strong imagination, > visualization or memory. Yes, it's true, now having no colour > perception, my mind doesn't focus on colouring world, so many times, I > use to ask colour of objects, and then no problem! > Still waiting for experiences of totally/blind members. > While writing mail, one more query, Is there any devise which can show > our visualization or night dreams? Really smiling. > Thanks a lot for all interest. > Bijal. > > On 1/24/12, hemase...@ingvysyabank.com wrote: >> >> I too lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period. I cont see any >> images.con't even see my parents faces. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]On Behalf Of Sudhir R >> (NeSTIT) >> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:41 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI,& >> hearing /speech impaired. >> >> >> Did you lose your eye sight instantaneously (as in an accident like >> Harish) or over a very brief period of time (like Payal ) ? >> >> In such cases, the images stored in your brain must be crystal clear >> till the "n- 1'st moment. >> >> In my case, I lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period >> Perhaps, my brain stored progressively degraded images. >> >> Does this explain the difference between the two sets of contradictory >> reports ? (smile) >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sandeep >> Singh >> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:33 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >> hearing /speech impaired. >> >> Hi, >> My experience is totally different. I still see the images and >> colours and evrything else as vividly as I used to. I can even see >> the faces of people exactly as I remember them and also as Harish >> wrote of those I have never seen. >> Best regards, >> Sandeep >> >> At 11:54 AM 24-01-12, you wrote: >>>Yes, indeed, Rajesh, there is a gradual deterioration in the quality of >>>images during dreams over the last 11 years of my total sight >>&
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
Well, due to memory and reflexive habit, we tend to visualize to the extent we could actually see once. This holds true for totally blind as well, for totally blind even by birth are not usually plunged into total darkness unless they don't have eyes and so on. So, we cannot go beyond actual visual percepts, not even in our dreams. So, I hold all claims of inner eyes etc. to be totally bogus and direly misplaced... A person who has never experienced light would essentially dream in a way which does not include light, as I do dream without experiencing color as I have never experienced it, and experience light only to a limited degree which corresponds to my actual light perception. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bijal patel Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:31 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hello all, I lost my vision gradually and now even no light perception. If I am talking about dreams, no any difference between present and past. Same human being's faces, moments and world which I saw earlier. In my daily routine life, I feel same visualization of objects, places and relatives of which I saw in my past. Many times, during conversation, my mind starts to imajine very minor human actions like moments of eyes, lips, nose, including entire body according opposite person's voice and situation. So several times, I forget whether I have really no vision. I don't know it's a power of strong imagination, visualization or memory. Yes, it's true, now having no colour perception, my mind doesn't focus on colouring world, so many times, I use to ask colour of objects, and then no problem! Still waiting for experiences of totally/blind members. While writing mail, one more query, Is there any devise which can show our visualization or night dreams? Really smiling. Thanks a lot for all interest. Bijal. On 1/24/12, hemase...@ingvysyabank.com wrote: > > I too lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period. I cont see any > images.con't even see my parents faces. > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]On Behalf Of Sudhir R > (NeSTIT) > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:41 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI,& > hearing /speech impaired. > > > Did you lose your eye sight instantaneously (as in an accident like > Harish) or over a very brief period of time (like Payal ) ? > > In such cases, the images stored in your brain must be crystal clear > till the "n- 1'st moment. > > In my case, I lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period > Perhaps, my brain stored progressively degraded images. > > Does this explain the difference between the two sets of contradictory > reports ? (smile) > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sandeep > Singh > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:33 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & > hearing /speech impaired. > > Hi, > My experience is totally different. I still see the images and > colours and evrything else as vividly as I used to. I can even see > the faces of people exactly as I remember them and also as Harish > wrote of those I have never seen. > Best regards, > Sandeep > > At 11:54 AM 24-01-12, you wrote: >>Yes, indeed, Rajesh, there is a gradual deterioration in the quality of >>images during dreams over the last 11 years of my total sight >>impairment. As if, the archived visual data is degrading over a > period >>of time. >> >>This is surprising, since I was under the impression that the brain >>continued to store information with data integrity even long after the >>individual could actually recollect it. I have read about experiments >>where electrical stimulation of brain areas made the person actually >>hear a song long after he had ceased to remember it. Your considered >>views on this interesting subject, please, as an expert in human >>Psychology. (smile) >> >>RS >> >>-----Original Message- >>From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, >>Rajesh >>Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:09 AM >>To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
Hello all, I lost my vision gradually and now even no light perception. If I am talking about dreams, no any difference between present and past. Same human being’s faces, moments and world which I saw earlier. In my daily routine life, I feel same visualization of objects, places and relatives of which I saw in my past. Many times, during conversation, my mind starts to imajine very minor human actions like moments of eyes, lips, nose, including entire body according opposite person’s voice and situation. So several times, I forget whether I have really no vision. I don’t know it’s a power of strong imagination, visualization or memory. Yes, it’s true, now having no colour perception, my mind doesn’t focus on colouring world, so many times, I use to ask colour of objects, and then no problem! Still waiting for experiences of totally/blind members. While writing mail, one more query, Is there any devise which can show our visualization or night dreams? Really smiling. Thanks a lot for all interest. Bijal. On 1/24/12, hemase...@ingvysyabank.com wrote: > > I too lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period. I cont see any > images.con't even see my parents faces. > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]On Behalf Of Sudhir R > (NeSTIT) > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:41 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI,& > hearing /speech impaired. > > > Did you lose your eye sight instantaneously (as in an accident like > Harish) or over a very brief period of time (like Payal ) ? > > In such cases, the images stored in your brain must be crystal clear > till the "n- 1'st moment. > > In my case, I lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period > Perhaps, my brain stored progressively degraded images. > > Does this explain the difference between the two sets of contradictory > reports ? (smile) > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sandeep > Singh > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:33 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & > hearing /speech impaired. > > Hi, > My experience is totally different. I still see the images and > colours and evrything else as vividly as I used to. I can even see > the faces of people exactly as I remember them and also as Harish > wrote of those I have never seen. > Best regards, > Sandeep > > At 11:54 AM 24-01-12, you wrote: >>Yes, indeed, Rajesh, there is a gradual deterioration in the quality of >>images during dreams over the last 11 years of my total sight >>impairment. As if, the archived visual data is degrading over a > period >>of time. >> >>This is surprising, since I was under the impression that the brain >>continued to store information with data integrity even long after the >>individual could actually recollect it. I have read about experiments >>where electrical stimulation of brain areas made the person actually >>hear a song long after he had ceased to remember it. Your considered >>views on this interesting subject, please, as an expert in human >>Psychology. (smile) >> >>RS >> >>-Original Message----- >>From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, >>Rajesh >>Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:09 AM >>To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >>hearing /speech impaired. >> >>I wonder how clearly those who have lost sight late in life can have >>visual perceptions in dreams? >>Whether clarity diminishes with passage of time? because they don't > have >>visual sensations now in their waking life? >> >> >> >>-Original Message- >>From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H > P >>Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:58 AM >>To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >>hearing /speech impaired. >> >>Hi Bijal >> >>I suppose, dreams are just the manifestation of the world of your >>awakened conscious state. What ever gives sensory inputs, those would > be >>reflected in the dream state. >> >>Continuing with Vetri's comments, sexual experiences in dream would be &g
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
I do agree that fantom imagery does take place. Even whatever I could see in my childhood which was not at all very much, and was mainly confined to perceiving open windows distinguishing between a bus and a truck and seeing Sun or its reflection and the like, continues to be recreated even in my waking life whenever I pay attention to it. In my trip to Dehradun last year, I was actually mesmerized to actually see in my own limited way, the reflection of setting sun in the river. It brings home richness of visual sense, and also that we continue to recreate in our brains the sensory impressions we once had. However, my visual sense was not to the extent where I may judge whether the visualization in waking or dreaming is fading away now or not. So, it is interesting to hear contradictory reports on this. Maybe, duration of sight loss has some correlation to it. But, as Sandeep says, he lost it over a prolonged period like Sudhir.' So, why the difference? It is an open question, and I welcome any opinions on it. And yes, whether visualization/recollection in waking life and that in dreams differs in some significant ways? For me, It doesn't. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sudhir R (NeSTIT) Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:41 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Did you lose your eye sight instantaneously (as in an accident like Harish) or over a very brief period of time (like Payal ) ? In such cases, the images stored in your brain must be crystal clear till the "n- 1'st moment. In my case, I lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period Perhaps, my brain stored progressively degraded images. Does this explain the difference between the two sets of contradictory reports ? (smile) -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sandeep Singh Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:33 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hi, My experience is totally different. I still see the images and colours and evrything else as vividly as I used to. I can even see the faces of people exactly as I remember them and also as Harish wrote of those I have never seen. Best regards, Sandeep At 11:54 AM 24-01-12, you wrote: >Yes, indeed, Rajesh, there is a gradual deterioration in the quality of >images during dreams over the last 11 years of my total sight >impairment. As if, the archived visual data is degrading over a period >of time. > >This is surprising, since I was under the impression that the brain >continued to store information with data integrity even long after the >individual could actually recollect it. I have read about experiments >where electrical stimulation of brain areas made the person actually >hear a song long after he had ceased to remember it. Your considered >views on this interesting subject, please, as an expert in human >Psychology. (smile) > >RS > >-Original Message- >From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, >Rajesh >Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:09 AM >To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >hearing /speech impaired. > >I wonder how clearly those who have lost sight late in life can have >visual perceptions in dreams? >Whether clarity diminishes with passage of time? because they don't have >visual sensations now in their waking life? > > > >-Original Message- >From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P >Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:58 AM >To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >hearing /speech impaired. > >Hi Bijal > >I suppose, dreams are just the manifestation of the world of your >awakened conscious state. What ever gives sensory inputs, those would be >reflected in the dream state. > >Continuing with Vetri's comments, sexual experiences in dream would be >triggered by biological factors like those of hormones, scent, thoughts >etc. > >Interesting topic. >Harish Kotian. > >-Original Message- >From: bijal patel [mailto:bijalpatel...@gmail.com] >Sent: 23 January 2012 23:11 >To: accessindia >Subject: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >hearing /speech impaired. > >Dear friends, >It's just
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
I too lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period. I cont see any images.con't even see my parents faces. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]On Behalf Of Sudhir R (NeSTIT) Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:41 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI,& hearing /speech impaired. Did you lose your eye sight instantaneously (as in an accident like Harish) or over a very brief period of time (like Payal ) ? In such cases, the images stored in your brain must be crystal clear till the "n- 1'st moment. In my case, I lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period Perhaps, my brain stored progressively degraded images. Does this explain the difference between the two sets of contradictory reports ? (smile) -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sandeep Singh Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:33 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hi, My experience is totally different. I still see the images and colours and evrything else as vividly as I used to. I can even see the faces of people exactly as I remember them and also as Harish wrote of those I have never seen. Best regards, Sandeep At 11:54 AM 24-01-12, you wrote: >Yes, indeed, Rajesh, there is a gradual deterioration in the quality of >images during dreams over the last 11 years of my total sight >impairment. As if, the archived visual data is degrading over a period >of time. > >This is surprising, since I was under the impression that the brain >continued to store information with data integrity even long after the >individual could actually recollect it. I have read about experiments >where electrical stimulation of brain areas made the person actually >hear a song long after he had ceased to remember it. Your considered >views on this interesting subject, please, as an expert in human >Psychology. (smile) > >RS > >-Original Message- >From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, >Rajesh >Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:09 AM >To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >hearing /speech impaired. > >I wonder how clearly those who have lost sight late in life can have >visual perceptions in dreams? >Whether clarity diminishes with passage of time? because they don't have >visual sensations now in their waking life? > > > >-Original Message- >From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P >Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:58 AM >To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >hearing /speech impaired. > >Hi Bijal > >I suppose, dreams are just the manifestation of the world of your >awakened conscious state. What ever gives sensory inputs, those would be >reflected in the dream state. > >Continuing with Vetri's comments, sexual experiences in dream would be >triggered by biological factors like those of hormones, scent, thoughts >etc. > >Interesting topic. >Harish Kotian. > >-Original Message- >From: bijal patel [mailto:bijalpatel...@gmail.com] >Sent: 23 January 2012 23:11 >To: accessindia >Subject: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >hearing /speech impaired. > >Dear friends, >It's just my curiosity to know about dreams during night of totally >and born blind as well as hearing/speech impaired person. >How are the dreams of such persons who never see colours in life? Is >there a dream of multi-coloured world? >And what about dreams of h i/ and s i, who never hear voice? >So please, explain. >Friends, this query is based only for scientific level. >Thanks. >Bijal Patel. > > > >Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential >and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, >use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information >contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly >prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us >by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the >message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and >any attachments f
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
No friend, I lost it gradually over a period of at least 3-4 years. I had diabetic retinopathy and underwent laser treatment followed by a number of surgeries, so that shouldn't be the reason. Regards, Sandeep At 12:40 PM 24-01-12, you wrote: Did you lose your eye sight instantaneously (as in an accident like Harish) or over a very brief period of time (like Payal ) ? In such cases, the images stored in your brain must be crystal clear till the "n- 1'st moment. In my case, I lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period Perhaps, my brain stored progressively degraded images. Does this explain the difference between the two sets of contradictory reports ? (smile) -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sandeep Singh Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:33 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hi, My experience is totally different. I still see the images and colours and evrything else as vividly as I used to. I can even see the faces of people exactly as I remember them and also as Harish wrote of those I have never seen. Best regards, Sandeep At 11:54 AM 24-01-12, you wrote: >Yes, indeed, Rajesh, there is a gradual deterioration in the quality of >images during dreams over the last 11 years of my total sight >impairment. As if, the archived visual data is degrading over a period >of time. > >This is surprising, since I was under the impression that the brain >continued to store information with data integrity even long after the >individual could actually recollect it. I have read about experiments >where electrical stimulation of brain areas made the person actually >hear a song long after he had ceased to remember it. Your considered >views on this interesting subject, please, as an expert in human >Psychology. (smile) > >RS > >-Original Message- >From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, >Rajesh >Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:09 AM >To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >hearing /speech impaired. > >I wonder how clearly those who have lost sight late in life can have >visual perceptions in dreams? >Whether clarity diminishes with passage of time? because they don't have >visual sensations now in their waking life? > > > >-Original Message- >From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P >Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:58 AM >To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >hearing /speech impaired. > >Hi Bijal > >I suppose, dreams are just the manifestation of the world of your >awakened conscious state. What ever gives sensory inputs, those would be >reflected in the dream state. > >Continuing with Vetri's comments, sexual experiences in dream would be >triggered by biological factors like those of hormones, scent, thoughts >etc. > >Interesting topic. >Harish Kotian. > >-Original Message- >From: bijal patel [mailto:bijalpatel...@gmail.com] >Sent: 23 January 2012 23:11 >To: accessindia >Subject: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >hearing /speech impaired. > >Dear friends, >It's just my curiosity to know about dreams during night of totally >and born blind as well as hearing/speech impaired person. >How are the dreams of such persons who never see colours in life? Is >there a dream of multi-coloured world? >And what about dreams of h i/ and s i, who never hear voice? >So please, explain. >Friends, this query is based only for scientific level. >Thanks. >Bijal Patel. > > > >Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential >and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, >use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information >contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly >prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us >by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the >message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and >any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India >accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by >this email. > > >Search for old postings at: >http://www.mail-archive
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
Did you lose your eye sight instantaneously (as in an accident like Harish) or over a very brief period of time (like Payal ) ? In such cases, the images stored in your brain must be crystal clear till the "n- 1'st moment. In my case, I lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period Perhaps, my brain stored progressively degraded images. Does this explain the difference between the two sets of contradictory reports ? (smile) -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sandeep Singh Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:33 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hi, My experience is totally different. I still see the images and colours and evrything else as vividly as I used to. I can even see the faces of people exactly as I remember them and also as Harish wrote of those I have never seen. Best regards, Sandeep At 11:54 AM 24-01-12, you wrote: >Yes, indeed, Rajesh, there is a gradual deterioration in the quality of >images during dreams over the last 11 years of my total sight >impairment. As if, the archived visual data is degrading over a period >of time. > >This is surprising, since I was under the impression that the brain >continued to store information with data integrity even long after the >individual could actually recollect it. I have read about experiments >where electrical stimulation of brain areas made the person actually >hear a song long after he had ceased to remember it. Your considered >views on this interesting subject, please, as an expert in human >Psychology. (smile) > >RS > >-Original Message- >From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, >Rajesh >Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:09 AM >To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >hearing /speech impaired. > >I wonder how clearly those who have lost sight late in life can have >visual perceptions in dreams? >Whether clarity diminishes with passage of time? because they don't have >visual sensations now in their waking life? > > > >-Original Message- >From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P >Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:58 AM >To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >hearing /speech impaired. > >Hi Bijal > >I suppose, dreams are just the manifestation of the world of your >awakened conscious state. What ever gives sensory inputs, those would be >reflected in the dream state. > >Continuing with Vetri's comments, sexual experiences in dream would be >triggered by biological factors like those of hormones, scent, thoughts >etc. > >Interesting topic. >Harish Kotian. > >-----Original Message- >From: bijal patel [mailto:bijalpatel...@gmail.com] >Sent: 23 January 2012 23:11 >To: accessindia >Subject: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >hearing /speech impaired. > >Dear friends, >It's just my curiosity to know about dreams during night of totally >and born blind as well as hearing/speech impaired person. >How are the dreams of such persons who never see colours in life? Is >there a dream of multi-coloured world? >And what about dreams of h i/ and s i, who never hear voice? >So please, explain. >Friends, this query is based only for scientific level. >Thanks. >Bijal Patel. > > > >Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential >and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, >use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information >contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly >prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us >by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the >message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and >any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India >accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by >this email. > > >Search for old postings at: >http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > >To unsubscribe send a message to >accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >with the subject unsubscribe. > >To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >pleas
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
Hi, My experience is totally different. I still see the images and colours and evrything else as vividly as I used to. I can even see the faces of people exactly as I remember them and also as Harish wrote of those I have never seen. Best regards, Sandeep At 11:54 AM 24-01-12, you wrote: Yes, indeed, Rajesh, there is a gradual deterioration in the quality of images during dreams over the last 11 years of my total sight impairment. As if, the archived visual data is degrading over a period of time. This is surprising, since I was under the impression that the brain continued to store information with data integrity even long after the individual could actually recollect it. I have read about experiments where electrical stimulation of brain areas made the person actually hear a song long after he had ceased to remember it. Your considered views on this interesting subject, please, as an expert in human Psychology. (smile) RS -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:09 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. I wonder how clearly those who have lost sight late in life can have visual perceptions in dreams? Whether clarity diminishes with passage of time? because they don't have visual sensations now in their waking life? -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:58 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hi Bijal I suppose, dreams are just the manifestation of the world of your awakened conscious state. What ever gives sensory inputs, those would be reflected in the dream state. Continuing with Vetri's comments, sexual experiences in dream would be triggered by biological factors like those of hormones, scent, thoughts etc. Interesting topic. Harish Kotian. -Original Message- From: bijal patel [mailto:bijalpatel...@gmail.com] Sent: 23 January 2012 23:11 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Dear friends, It's just my curiosity to know about dreams during night of totally and born blind as well as hearing/speech impaired person. How are the dreams of such persons who never see colours in life? Is there a dream of multi-coloured world? And what about dreams of h i/ and s i, who never hear voice? So please, explain. Friends, this query is based only for scientific level. Thanks. Bijal Patel. Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
Hi I cannot speak for others, as I had seen the world in the past, unconsciously still associate visual imagery. For instance, when I speak to a person, an image is created in my mind and that stays unique to that person. It does not matter to me how close or far it is from reality. In short I do continue to see . Hence,the phantom image is active all the time. This holds good for both animate and inanimate objects. Harish Kotian. -Original Message- From: Asudani, Rajesh [mailto:rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in] Sent: 24 January 2012 11:09 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. I wonder how clearly those who have lost sight late in life can have visual perceptions in dreams? Whether clarity diminishes with passage of time? because they don't have visual sensations now in their waking life? -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:58 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hi Bijal I suppose, dreams are just the manifestation of the world of your awakened conscious state. What ever gives sensory inputs, those would be reflected in the dream state. Continuing with Vetri's comments, sexual experiences in dream would be triggered by biological factors like those of hormones, scent, thoughts etc. Interesting topic. Harish Kotian. -Original Message- From: bijal patel [mailto:bijalpatel...@gmail.com] Sent: 23 January 2012 23:11 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Dear friends, It's just my curiosity to know about dreams during night of totally and born blind as well as hearing/speech impaired person. How are the dreams of such persons who never see colours in life? Is there a dream of multi-coloured world? And what about dreams of h i/ and s i, who never hear voice? So please, explain. Friends, this query is based only for scientific level. Thanks. Bijal Patel. Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@acces
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
Nothing really diminishes, Rajesh. It is only reduced to being a grey areaof not being certain whether it was actually perceived or a figment of one's imagination. I can say for certain that it does not go away completely. I still use my history of years of visual back up when sighted to relate to things and events around me. if then, these experiences are somehow relived in my dreams, they are crystal clear and that, I think is largely due to the fact I've seen in the past. The only diminishing comes with the memory of events before and after losing my sight. It's been such a long time that I sometimes have to check back whether a particular experience or event has occurred before or after losing my sight. In fact some events like having watched a particular movie fades into that grey area of whether it was before or after the sight loss. Here too, maybe a little out of context, the relating to a film with persons I've seen remains etched in the mind vis a vis the newer ones where the actors are not ones I've seen unless the impact of the movie is that strong. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:09 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. I wonder how clearly those who have lost sight late in life can have visual perceptions in dreams? Whether clarity diminishes with passage of time? because they don't have visual sensations now in their waking life? -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:58 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hi Bijal I suppose, dreams are just the manifestation of the world of your awakened conscious state. What ever gives sensory inputs, those would be reflected in the dream state. Continuing with Vetri's comments, sexual experiences in dream would be triggered by biological factors like those of hormones, scent, thoughts etc. Interesting topic. Harish Kotian. -Original Message- From: bijal patel [mailto:bijalpatel...@gmail.com] Sent: 23 January 2012 23:11 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Dear friends, It's just my curiosity to know about dreams during night of totally and born blind as well as hearing/speech impaired person. How are the dreams of such persons who never see colours in life? Is there a dream of multi-coloured world? And what about dreams of h i/ and s i, who never hear voice? So please, explain. Friends, this query is based only for scientific level. Thanks. Bijal Patel. Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subje
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
Hello All, Dreams roots are both conscious state of mind and unconscious world hidden to many people. The perception of late blind does not change as few things never change for example colors ,shapes etc. The mind stores data of everything in memory so with no vision object is analyzed with available data and information is continually updated with learning and new experiences. RGDS, Pankaj Kwatra " Keep thoughts clean and positive for good dreams " -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:58 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hi Bijal I suppose, dreams are just the manifestation of the world of your awakened conscious state. What ever gives sensory inputs, those would be reflected in the dream state. Continuing with Vetri's comments, sexual experiences in dream would be triggered by biological factors like those of hormones, scent, thoughts etc. Interesting topic. Harish Kotian. -Original Message- From: bijal patel [mailto:bijalpatel...@gmail.com] Sent: 23 January 2012 23:11 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Dear friends, It's just my curiosity to know about dreams during night of totally and born blind as well as hearing/speech impaired person. How are the dreams of such persons who never see colours in life? Is there a dream of multi-coloured world? And what about dreams of h i/ and s i, who never hear voice? So please, explain. Friends, this query is based only for scientific level. Thanks. Bijal Patel. Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n .. This e-mail message may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. It should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. If you have erroneously received this message, please delete it immediately and notify the sender. The recipient acknowledges that TECNOVATE ESOLUTIONS PRIVATE LIMITED (An Intelenet Group Company), is unable to exercise control or ensure or guarantee the integrity of/over the contents of the information contained in e-mail transmissions and further acknowledges that any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and no binding nature of the message shall be implied or assumed unless the sender does so expressly with due authority of TECNOVATE ESOLUTIONS PRIVATE LIMITED (An Intelenet Group Company). Before opening any attachments please check them for viruses and defects. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
Yes, indeed, Rajesh, there is a gradual deterioration in the quality of images during dreams over the last 11 years of my total sight impairment. As if, the archived visual data is degrading over a period of time. This is surprising, since I was under the impression that the brain continued to store information with data integrity even long after the individual could actually recollect it. I have read about experiments where electrical stimulation of brain areas made the person actually hear a song long after he had ceased to remember it. Your considered views on this interesting subject, please, as an expert in human Psychology. (smile) RS -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:09 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. I wonder how clearly those who have lost sight late in life can have visual perceptions in dreams? Whether clarity diminishes with passage of time? because they don't have visual sensations now in their waking life? -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:58 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hi Bijal I suppose, dreams are just the manifestation of the world of your awakened conscious state. What ever gives sensory inputs, those would be reflected in the dream state. Continuing with Vetri's comments, sexual experiences in dream would be triggered by biological factors like those of hormones, scent, thoughts etc. Interesting topic. Harish Kotian. -Original Message- From: bijal patel [mailto:bijalpatel...@gmail.com] Sent: 23 January 2012 23:11 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Dear friends, It's just my curiosity to know about dreams during night of totally and born blind as well as hearing/speech impaired person. How are the dreams of such persons who never see colours in life? Is there a dream of multi-coloured world? And what about dreams of h i/ and s i, who never hear voice? So please, explain. Friends, this query is based only for scientific level. Thanks. Bijal Patel. Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
I wonder how clearly those who have lost sight late in life can have visual perceptions in dreams? Whether clarity diminishes with passage of time? because they don't have visual sensations now in their waking life? -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:58 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Hi Bijal I suppose, dreams are just the manifestation of the world of your awakened conscious state. What ever gives sensory inputs, those would be reflected in the dream state. Continuing with Vetri's comments, sexual experiences in dream would be triggered by biological factors like those of hormones, scent, thoughts etc. Interesting topic. Harish Kotian. -Original Message- From: bijal patel [mailto:bijalpatel...@gmail.com] Sent: 23 January 2012 23:11 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Dear friends, It's just my curiosity to know about dreams during night of totally and born blind as well as hearing/speech impaired person. How are the dreams of such persons who never see colours in life? Is there a dream of multi-coloured world? And what about dreams of h i/ and s i, who never hear voice? So please, explain. Friends, this query is based only for scientific level. Thanks. Bijal Patel. Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired.
Hi Bijal I suppose, dreams are just the manifestation of the world of your awakened conscious state. What ever gives sensory inputs, those would be reflected in the dream state. Continuing with Vetri's comments, sexual experiences in dream would be triggered by biological factors like those of hormones, scent, thoughts etc. Interesting topic. Harish Kotian. -Original Message- From: bijal patel [mailto:bijalpatel...@gmail.com] Sent: 23 January 2012 23:11 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & hearing /speech impaired. Dear friends, It's just my curiosity to know about dreams during night of totally and born blind as well as hearing/speech impaired person. How are the dreams of such persons who never see colours in life? Is there a dream of multi-coloured world? And what about dreams of h i/ and s i, who never hear voice? So please, explain. Friends, this query is based only for scientific level. Thanks. Bijal Patel. Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
