Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

2007-11-14 Thread Geetha Shamanna
Well said, Payal. Let us not give the world the impression that we are so 
content with blindness that we would reject any attempts by researchers at 
restoring sight. It is imperative that we have a choice.

Geetha
- Original Message - 
From: Payal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


I would here like to express the opinion of a person who lost both sight and
sense of hearing at the age of 22. from being an educated and financially
independent individual I was reduced to being a mere vegetable. The
difficulties both psychologically and emotionally, apart from the obvious
physical was huge and quite impossible. Life did not allow too many choices
but to wallow in self-pity,deny and then slowly pickup the pieces of life
and move on. Today, I have partial hearing but no sight and am back to
working for some years and doing most all that I have done in the past. I
surely want to see again, but not to be a trial for any clinical therapy
because I have put myself through several trials of all kinds. I want a
hundred percent recovery, not a partial recovery. Apart from the adaptation
issues, there is also the psychological implication of it all. I had it all
and I want it all back, however that might sound. I'm willing to wait for
that , I have nothing more to lose anyway!
payal

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rajesh Asudani
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:29
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

Well, the logic may apply to those congenitally blind or having become so at

an early age without any conscious recollection of sight. But, what about
those acquiring the condition later in life? Do they also become so adapted
to the los [or maybe so defensive about it] that they shun all and every
opportunity to regain it? And, in the first place, won't the advantages of
acquiring a natural sense like sight or hearing outway initially
accompanying  hurdles and hiccups which must by all counts be brief and
transient? Yes, it requires adaptation in physiological and psychological
sense even to have something obviously beneficial in the long run, but
aren't those adaptation worth the trouble?

I am not advocating never-ending efforts for gaining sight by running
helter-skelter to all and every physician by the desperate but a reasonable
chance even as a part of clinical trial in a new therapy by those who have
maturely accepted their blindness.

For that matter, I have, on numerous occasions, posed a challenge to
ophthalmologists to try any sensible measure or new invention on my
dysfunctional eyes, provided the procedure does not involve any intense and
prolonged pain or drastic readjustment in my day to day life and has
reasonable chance of success.

I still maintain that there is no substitute for sight and adaptations after

acquiring it may be worth the price.

Rajesh
- Original Message - 
From: Harish Kotian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Hi All

Actually, to understand the spirit of what is said, is that, vision is a
very strong distractive stimulus. One will have to appreciate with an
example. Imagine, a person who is born deaf and after say 30 or 40 years his
hearing gets restored, what a patrifying experience it would  be.

His newly aquired hearing would be more of a problem than without it.

Every single sound would be an uncettling experience. It takes quite a while
to filter out this noise.

Probably by that time he would have become a totally nervous wreck. There is
no altruisim about it.

Harish
- Original Message - 
From: Rajesh Asudani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


But what about advantages of learning this new but universal language?

Are we afraid of change or learning something which is one of the
fundamental attributes of human species, nay a right of every body
arbitrarily denied to some?

Please let us not make blindness a norm, let us accept that it is sight
which
is norm and lack of it a statistical exception. Surely the blindness is not
favored by natural evolution. Do not confuse my contention with eugenic
ideas but I am trying to argue against defensive glorification of a
condition which surely merits to be made less stressful and disadvantageous.
I won't regret if one day nobody is born blind or becomes blind by other
contingencies. But, yes, nobody may advocate selective breeding
marginalization of the blind. Any human being who is consciously aware of
her/his existence [save the natural or brief states on unconsciousness] and
wills to live must afforded reasonable opportunities to do so.

Rajesh
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Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

2007-11-13 Thread Subramani L
Dear Rajesh:

Blindness may not be the norm, but talking as though it is absolutely a 
disappointing experience is what I find unacceptable. One of the stereotyping 
about blind people is that they always lead a sad and melancholic life; always 
regretting about not having to see and are desperate for a cure. I think this 
needs to be rejected completely. Though most of us would love to see again, we 
are not desperate or depressed if that doesn't happen. 

We develop a sort of identity around blindness, because we learn to grow up and 
live with it. As someone who lost sight after my teens, I know how difficult it 
is to adapt to blindness and I can also assess the advantage of being blind: I 
don't have enemies, for instance, I have only friends and strangers. You talked 
about changes, I feel you learn to adapt to change much better as a blind 
person than a sighted person.  

Being blind is perhaps the biggest motivation for me to do things I do and if I 
had remained sighted, I may have had motivation but certainly not at this 
level, because survival is more difficult and so you need greater level of 
motivation. Also, there is no room for complacency, I may know the layout of a 
particular place but I need to keep my mind sharper to tackle any unexpected 
obstacles. So, when you consider this, blindness isn't more an identity, but a 
perfect demonstration of survival of the fittest theory.  

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rajesh Asudani
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:30 AM
To: Geetha Shamanna; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

absolutely well said

I am tired of idealism.

Given a choice nobody would prefer to be blind, admittedly not even the lady 
who has written the article inquestion.
Then, isn't it strange that given a choice and a reasonable assurance and 
affordability, they say, they would prefer not to take the advantage of 
becoming sighted-even partially!!

Let us not confuse the things.

It is one thing to live successfully as a blind person, but it is totally 
another to euphemize it as a state not fraught with any disadvantages--be 
those disadvantages inherent in the condition or man made!

Words like identity, etc. are hollow semantic phrases. Andd, what is the 
identity of even a fully functioning/productive blind person in sighted 
world?

Moreover, as said earlier, there is no substitute for sight, and a fully 
functioning/productive blind person is either a myth or a rarest of the rare 
species who fortunately or accidentally finds herself or himself bestowed 
with fortune and a field absolutely fitted to his/her working. Still it 
would be a vocational functionality, and granted he/she has noble family as 
not to make him aware of his shortcomings, still community would not spare 
him/her the crunch. And, for this, either family/vocational world/community 
is not to be blamed only. Sight is the norm and lack of it is not, even 
though it is desirable to make it less fraught with disadvantages either by 
human assistance or by technology or sometimes by reasonable modifications.

I am afraid if I have not been able to communicate clearly.
I wanted to write on the subject, but did not wish to stir the hornet's 
nest.

Rajesh
Rajesh
- Original Message - 
From: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


While I do not disagree with anything said in the article, if gene therapy
is made available and if it guarantees restoration of sight, I would be the
first one to take it.
Identity and all that sounds good in the ideal world.
Although I have adjusted reasonably well to blindness, nothing can replace
the total and absolute independence that sight grants a person. There is
simply no substitute for it.

Geetha
- Original Message - 
From: Subramani L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Fantastic story. After reading this, I wanted to forget about our agreed
etiquette regarding on and off topics and wanted to express my feelings on
this one.

I think the whole thing sounds extremely honest and seem to reflect my own
experiences of becoming blind from the same condition. When I reacted
indifferently to my mom's suggestion that I must seriously consider gene
therapy to restore my sight, she was shocked and couldn't understand how
such an important thing as getting back my sight failed to evince a serious
response from me. I told her blindness has become my identity in the last 15
years and I am not all that comfortable shedding that identity. I told her
it offered a fresh and a totally different perspective to life and so on,
much on the same lines as Becky has described in her article, but the
problem with the so-called able-bodied

Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

2007-11-13 Thread Ashwani Jassal
blindness is a very big drawback in our life and blind person has to face 
difficulties through out the life though many blind people achieved what 
sighted people can't achieve in their life.
Some time we feel helpless and can't do anything but to curse our life and 
blindness also.
Society is not ready to accept blind people even today even some time your 
family members do feel that blindness is burden upon them. It is very much 
disturbing and frustrating for us.
- Original Message - 
From: Dr. Vipin Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


i know why we become so hypocrite
One can not celebrate his blindness even with so many
justifications!
With love and care,
Vip!
- Original Message - 
From: Rajesh Asudani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED];
accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


 absolutely well said

 I am tired of idealism.

 Given a choice nobody would prefer to be blind,
admittedly not even the
 lady
 who has written the article inquestion.
 Then, isn't it strange that given a choice and a
reasonable assurance and
 affordability, they say, they would prefer not to
take the advantage of
 becoming sighted-even partially!!

 Let us not confuse the things.

 It is one thing to live successfully as a blind
person, but it is totally
 another to euphemize it as a state not fraught with
any disadvantages--be
 those disadvantages inherent in the condition or man
made!

 Words like identity, etc. are hollow semantic
phrases. Andd, what is the
 identity of even a fully functioning/productive
blind person in sighted
 world?

 Moreover, as said earlier, there is no substitute
for sight, and a fully
 functioning/productive blind person is either a myth
or a rarest of the
 rare
 species who fortunately or accidentally finds
herself or himself bestowed
 with fortune and a field absolutely fitted to
his/her working. Still it
 would be a vocational functionality, and granted
he/she has noble family
 as
 not to make him aware of his shortcomings, still
community would not spare
 him/her the crunch. And, for this, either
family/vocational
 world/community
 is not to be blamed only. Sight is the norm and lack
of it is not, even
 though it is desirable to make it less fraught with
disadvantages either
 by
 human assistance or by technology or sometimes by
reasonable
 modifications.

 I am afraid if I have not been able to communicate
clearly.
 I wanted to write on the subject, but did not wish
to stir the hornet's
 nest.

 Rajesh
 Rajesh
 - Original Message - 
 From: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


 While I do not disagree with anything said in the
article, if gene therapy
 is made available and if it guarantees restoration
of sight, I would be
 the
 first one to take it.
 Identity and all that sounds good in the ideal
world.
 Although I have adjusted reasonably well to
blindness, nothing can replace
 the total and absolute independence that sight
grants a person. There is
 simply no substitute for it.

 Geetha
 - Original Message - 
 From: Subramani L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


 Fantastic story. After reading this, I wanted to
forget about our agreed
 etiquette regarding on and off topics and wanted to
express my feelings on
 this one.

 I think the whole thing sounds extremely honest and
seem to reflect my own
 experiences of becoming blind from the same
condition. When I reacted
 indifferently to my mom's suggestion that I must
seriously consider gene
 therapy to restore my sight, she was shocked and
couldn't understand how
 such an important thing as getting back my sight
failed to evince a
 serious
 response from me. I told her blindness has become my
identity in the last
 15
 years and I am not all that comfortable shedding
that identity. I told her
 it offered a fresh and a totally different
perspective to life and so on,
 much on the same lines as Becky has described in her
article, but the
 problem with the so-called able-bodied people is
that they somehow fail to
 see the other side of things.

 Also, I don't know how many of you agree with me if
I say this: when we
 are
 blind, the world wants us to follow their weird and
convoluted
 understanding
 of morality. They, for instance, can't digest a
blind person smoking.
 Forget
 about the health implications of smoking or
drinking, but most people
 think
 it is utterly wrong as a habit for a blind person to
smoke, even if he
 enjoys this activity with his sighted friends who
are more than willing to
 light their cigarette for them or pour their drinks

Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

2007-11-13 Thread Harish Kotian
Hi All

Actually, to understand the spirit of what is said, is that, vision is a 
very strong distractive stimulus. One will have to appreciate with an 
example. Imagine, a person who is born deaf and after say 30 or 40 years his 
hearing gets restored, what a patrifying experience it would  be.

His newly aquired hearing would be more of a problem than without it.

Every single sound would be an uncettling experience. It takes quite a while 
to filter out this noise.

Probably by that time he would have become a totally nervous wreck. There is 
no altruisim about it.

Harish
- Original Message - 
From: Rajesh Asudani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


But what about advantages of learning this new but universal language?

Are we afraid of change or learning something which is one of the
fundamental attributes of human species, nay a right of every body
arbitrarily denied to some?

Please let us not make blindness a norm, let us accept that it is sight
which
is norm and lack of it a statistical exception. Surely the blindness is not
favored by natural evolution. Do not confuse my contention with eugenic
ideas but I am trying to argue against defensive glorification of a
condition which surely merits to be made less stressful and disadvantageous.
I won't regret if one day nobody is born blind or becomes blind by other
contingencies. But, yes, nobody may advocate selective breeding
marginalization of the blind. Any human being who is consciously aware of
her/his existence [save the natural or brief states on unconsciousness] and
wills to live must afforded reasonable opportunities to do so.

Rajesh
- Original Message - 
From: LSanjay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED];
accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Hi,
If you are a born totally blind like me, restoration of sight will bring its
own complexities.  You have to learn a language called seeing which
sighted people mastered since the very first day of their birth.  I am sure,
this is not as simple as both blind and most of the times sighted people
believe to be.


- Original Message - 
From: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


While I do not disagree with anything said in the article, if gene therapy
is made available and if it guarantees restoration of sight, I would be the
first one to take it.
Identity and all that sounds good in the ideal world.
Although I have adjusted reasonably well to blindness, nothing can replace
the total and absolute independence that sight grants a person. There is
simply no substitute for it.

Geetha
- Original Message - 
From: Subramani L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Fantastic story. After reading this, I wanted to forget about our agreed
etiquette regarding on and off topics and wanted to express my feelings on
this one.

I think the whole thing sounds extremely honest and seem to reflect my own
experiences of becoming blind from the same condition. When I reacted
indifferently to my mom's suggestion that I must seriously consider gene
therapy to restore my sight, she was shocked and couldn't understand how
such an important thing as getting back my sight failed to evince a serious
response from me. I told her blindness has become my identity in the last 15
years and I am not all that comfortable shedding that identity. I told her
it offered a fresh and a totally different perspective to life and so on,
much on the same lines as Becky has described in her article, but the
problem with the so-called able-bodied people is that they somehow fail to
see the other side of things.

Also, I don't know how many of you agree with me if I say this: when we are
blind, the world wants us to follow their weird and convoluted understanding
of morality. They, for instance, can't digest a blind person smoking. Forget
about the health implications of smoking or drinking, but most people think
it is utterly wrong as a habit for a blind person to smoke, even if he
enjoys this activity with his sighted friends who are more than willing to
light their cigarette for them or pour their drinks.

As a smoker myself until three years ago, I used to learn from my sighted
friends that I attracted disgusted looks from sighted strangers (who
themselves would have gathered near that Tea shop to light a cigarette),
whenever I smoked.

As a teenager losing sight, smoking then was a way of gaining acceptance in
the mainstream world that never used to treat me on par. Only after
realising the serious health implications as a thirty-something, did I ever
quit smoking

Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

2007-11-13 Thread Rajesh Asudani
Well, the logic may apply to those congenitally blind or having become so at 
an early age without any conscious recollection of sight. But, what about 
those acquiring the condition later in life? Do they also become so adapted 
to the los [or maybe so defensive about it] that they shun all and every 
opportunity to regain it? And, in the first place, won't the advantages of 
acquiring a natural sense like sight or hearing outway initially 
accompanying  hurdles and hiccups which must by all counts be brief and 
transient? Yes, it requires adaptation in physiological and psychological 
sense even to have something obviously beneficial in the long run, but 
aren't those adaptation worth the trouble?

I am not advocating never-ending efforts for gaining sight by running 
helter-skelter to all and every physician by the desperate but a reasonable 
chance even as a part of clinical trial in a new therapy by those who have 
maturely accepted their blindness.

For that matter, I have, on numerous occasions, posed a challenge to 
ophthalmologists to try any sensible measure or new invention on my 
dysfunctional eyes, provided the procedure does not involve any intense and 
prolonged pain or drastic readjustment in my day to day life and has 
reasonable chance of success.

I still maintain that there is no substitute for sight and adaptations after 
acquiring it may be worth the price.

Rajesh
- Original Message - 
From: Harish Kotian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Hi All

Actually, to understand the spirit of what is said, is that, vision is a
very strong distractive stimulus. One will have to appreciate with an
example. Imagine, a person who is born deaf and after say 30 or 40 years his
hearing gets restored, what a patrifying experience it would  be.

His newly aquired hearing would be more of a problem than without it.

Every single sound would be an uncettling experience. It takes quite a while
to filter out this noise.

Probably by that time he would have become a totally nervous wreck. There is
no altruisim about it.

Harish
- Original Message - 
From: Rajesh Asudani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


But what about advantages of learning this new but universal language?

Are we afraid of change or learning something which is one of the
fundamental attributes of human species, nay a right of every body
arbitrarily denied to some?

Please let us not make blindness a norm, let us accept that it is sight
which
is norm and lack of it a statistical exception. Surely the blindness is not
favored by natural evolution. Do not confuse my contention with eugenic
ideas but I am trying to argue against defensive glorification of a
condition which surely merits to be made less stressful and disadvantageous.
I won't regret if one day nobody is born blind or becomes blind by other
contingencies. But, yes, nobody may advocate selective breeding
marginalization of the blind. Any human being who is consciously aware of
her/his existence [save the natural or brief states on unconsciousness] and
wills to live must afforded reasonable opportunities to do so.

Rajesh
- Original Message - 
From: LSanjay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED];
accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Hi,
If you are a born totally blind like me, restoration of sight will bring its
own complexities.  You have to learn a language called seeing which
sighted people mastered since the very first day of their birth.  I am sure,
this is not as simple as both blind and most of the times sighted people
believe to be.


- Original Message - 
From: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


While I do not disagree with anything said in the article, if gene therapy
is made available and if it guarantees restoration of sight, I would be the
first one to take it.
Identity and all that sounds good in the ideal world.
Although I have adjusted reasonably well to blindness, nothing can replace
the total and absolute independence that sight grants a person. There is
simply no substitute for it.

Geetha
- Original Message - 
From: Subramani L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Fantastic story. After reading this, I wanted to forget about our agreed
etiquette regarding on and off topics and wanted to express my feelings on
this one.

I think the whole thing sounds extremely honest and seem to reflect my own
experiences of becoming blind from the same condition. When I reacted

Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

2007-11-13 Thread Payal
I would here like to express the opinion of a person who lost both sight and
sense of hearing at the age of 22. from being an educated and financially
independent individual I was reduced to being a mere vegetable. The
difficulties both psychologically and emotionally, apart from the obvious
physical was huge and quite impossible. Life did not allow too many choices
but to wallow in self-pity,deny and then slowly pickup the pieces of life
and move on. Today, I have partial hearing but no sight and am back to
working for some years and doing most all that I have done in the past. I
surely want to see again, but not to be a trial for any clinical therapy
because I have put myself through several trials of all kinds. I want a
hundred percent recovery, not a partial recovery. Apart from the adaptation
issues, there is also the psychological implication of it all. I had it all
and I want it all back, however that might sound. I'm willing to wait for
that , I have nothing more to lose anyway! 
payal

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rajesh Asudani
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:29
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

Well, the logic may apply to those congenitally blind or having become so at

an early age without any conscious recollection of sight. But, what about 
those acquiring the condition later in life? Do they also become so adapted 
to the los [or maybe so defensive about it] that they shun all and every 
opportunity to regain it? And, in the first place, won't the advantages of 
acquiring a natural sense like sight or hearing outway initially 
accompanying  hurdles and hiccups which must by all counts be brief and 
transient? Yes, it requires adaptation in physiological and psychological 
sense even to have something obviously beneficial in the long run, but 
aren't those adaptation worth the trouble?

I am not advocating never-ending efforts for gaining sight by running 
helter-skelter to all and every physician by the desperate but a reasonable 
chance even as a part of clinical trial in a new therapy by those who have 
maturely accepted their blindness.

For that matter, I have, on numerous occasions, posed a challenge to 
ophthalmologists to try any sensible measure or new invention on my 
dysfunctional eyes, provided the procedure does not involve any intense and 
prolonged pain or drastic readjustment in my day to day life and has 
reasonable chance of success.

I still maintain that there is no substitute for sight and adaptations after

acquiring it may be worth the price.

Rajesh
- Original Message - 
From: Harish Kotian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Hi All

Actually, to understand the spirit of what is said, is that, vision is a
very strong distractive stimulus. One will have to appreciate with an
example. Imagine, a person who is born deaf and after say 30 or 40 years his
hearing gets restored, what a patrifying experience it would  be.

His newly aquired hearing would be more of a problem than without it.

Every single sound would be an uncettling experience. It takes quite a while
to filter out this noise.

Probably by that time he would have become a totally nervous wreck. There is
no altruisim about it.

Harish
- Original Message - 
From: Rajesh Asudani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


But what about advantages of learning this new but universal language?

Are we afraid of change or learning something which is one of the
fundamental attributes of human species, nay a right of every body
arbitrarily denied to some?

Please let us not make blindness a norm, let us accept that it is sight
which
is norm and lack of it a statistical exception. Surely the blindness is not
favored by natural evolution. Do not confuse my contention with eugenic
ideas but I am trying to argue against defensive glorification of a
condition which surely merits to be made less stressful and disadvantageous.
I won't regret if one day nobody is born blind or becomes blind by other
contingencies. But, yes, nobody may advocate selective breeding
marginalization of the blind. Any human being who is consciously aware of
her/his existence [save the natural or brief states on unconsciousness] and
wills to live must afforded reasonable opportunities to do so.

Rajesh
- Original Message - 
From: LSanjay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED];
accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Hi,
If you are a born totally blind like me, restoration of sight will bring its
own complexities.  You have to learn a language called seeing which
sighted people mastered since

Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

2007-11-12 Thread renuka warriar
You are right.  Even if we have accepted our condition and want to live with 
it, our well wishers will not admit it and they will persuade us to go for 
any method of treatment which they have heard thinking it will make us 
happy.  But they don't realise the difficulty in becoming a guini pig.

Renuka
- Original Message - 
From: Subramani L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Fantastic story. After reading this, I wanted to forget about our agreed 
etiquette regarding on and off topics and wanted to express my feelings on 
this one.

I think the whole thing sounds extremely honest and seem to reflect my own 
experiences of becoming blind from the same condition. When I reacted 
indifferently to my mom's suggestion that I must seriously consider gene 
therapy to restore my sight, she was shocked and couldn't understand how 
such an important thing as getting back my sight failed to evince a serious 
response from me. I told her blindness has become my identity in the last 15 
years and I am not all that comfortable shedding that identity. I told her 
it offered a fresh and a totally different perspective to life and so on, 
much on the same lines as Becky has described in her article, but the 
problem with the so-called able-bodied people is that they somehow fail to 
see the other side of things.

Also, I don't know how many of you agree with me if I say this: when we are 
blind, the world wants us to follow their weird and convoluted understanding 
of morality. They, for instance, can't digest a blind person smoking. Forget 
about the health implications of smoking or drinking, but most people think 
it is utterly wrong as a habit for a blind person to smoke, even if he 
enjoys this activity with his sighted friends who are more than willing to 
light their cigarette for them or pour their drinks.

As a smoker myself until three years ago, I used to learn from my sighted 
friends that I attracted disgusted looks from sighted strangers (who 
themselves would have gathered near that Tea shop to light a cigarette), 
whenever I smoked.

As a teenager losing sight, smoking then was a way of gaining acceptance in 
the mainstream world that never used to treat me on par. Only after 
realising the serious health implications as a thirty-something, did I ever 
quit smoking and drinking. I am not recommending this to anyone as ways of 
gaining acceptance into the mainstream world, but am merely trying to point 
out the weirdness in thinking among the able-bodied individuals in our 
society.

Subramani




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LSanjay
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:03 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Reflections on Becoming Blind
 by Rebecca Atkinson

  From the Editor: On July 17, 2007, the Guardian, one of the most
prestigious newspapers in the United Kingdom, published an essay by a woman
who is losing her sight from retinitis pigmentosa. In some ways her
assumptions and experience of blindness depart startlingly from the
American, or at least NFB, presumption that a trained blind person can
travel as rapidly and cross streets as efficiently as sighted pedestrians.
Yet by and large her experience and attitudes are healthy and articularly
expressed. This is what she says:

  Rebecca Atkinson is going blind. An experimental therapy could offer
her the chance to see again, but would she take it?

  Earlier this year doctors at Moorfields Eye Hospital, London, began
the world's first gene therapy trials to treat twelve patients who have
Leber's congenital amaurosis, a condition that causes progressive sight
loss. Following successful animal trials (said to have restored the vision
of blind dogs so they could navigate a maze without difficulty), it is
hoped that the technique, which involves injecting working copies of faulty
genes directly into the retina, will prove equally effective when carried
out on humans. The results will not be made public for a year, but, if the
technique works, scientists hope it could eventually be used to treat a
wide range of inherited sight disorders affecting up to 30,000 visually
impaired people in the UK and potentially millions more worldwide.
  The first viable treatment for blindness is twinkling on the horizon,
and, as one reader said on a national newspaper message board discussing
the trials, The possibility of being able to give improved sight to people
with visual impairments is a great development for the human race.
  But what of the people we seek to repair? Those who have been born
blind and those, like me, who are losing or have

Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

2007-11-12 Thread Geetha Shamanna
While I do not disagree with anything said in the article, if gene therapy 
is made available and if it guarantees restoration of sight, I would be the 
first one to take it.
Identity and all that sounds good in the ideal world.
Although I have adjusted reasonably well to blindness, nothing can replace 
the total and absolute independence that sight grants a person. There is 
simply no substitute for it.

Geetha
- Original Message - 
From: Subramani L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Fantastic story. After reading this, I wanted to forget about our agreed 
etiquette regarding on and off topics and wanted to express my feelings on 
this one.

I think the whole thing sounds extremely honest and seem to reflect my own 
experiences of becoming blind from the same condition. When I reacted 
indifferently to my mom's suggestion that I must seriously consider gene 
therapy to restore my sight, she was shocked and couldn't understand how 
such an important thing as getting back my sight failed to evince a serious 
response from me. I told her blindness has become my identity in the last 15 
years and I am not all that comfortable shedding that identity. I told her 
it offered a fresh and a totally different perspective to life and so on, 
much on the same lines as Becky has described in her article, but the 
problem with the so-called able-bodied people is that they somehow fail to 
see the other side of things.

Also, I don't know how many of you agree with me if I say this: when we are 
blind, the world wants us to follow their weird and convoluted understanding 
of morality. They, for instance, can't digest a blind person smoking. Forget 
about the health implications of smoking or drinking, but most people think 
it is utterly wrong as a habit for a blind person to smoke, even if he 
enjoys this activity with his sighted friends who are more than willing to 
light their cigarette for them or pour their drinks.

As a smoker myself until three years ago, I used to learn from my sighted 
friends that I attracted disgusted looks from sighted strangers (who 
themselves would have gathered near that Tea shop to light a cigarette), 
whenever I smoked.

As a teenager losing sight, smoking then was a way of gaining acceptance in 
the mainstream world that never used to treat me on par. Only after 
realising the serious health implications as a thirty-something, did I ever 
quit smoking and drinking. I am not recommending this to anyone as ways of 
gaining acceptance into the mainstream world, but am merely trying to point 
out the weirdness in thinking among the able-bodied individuals in our 
society.

Subramani




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LSanjay
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:03 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Reflections on Becoming Blind
 by Rebecca Atkinson

  From the Editor: On July 17, 2007, the Guardian, one of the most
prestigious newspapers in the United Kingdom, published an essay by a woman
who is losing her sight from retinitis pigmentosa. In some ways her
assumptions and experience of blindness depart startlingly from the
American, or at least NFB, presumption that a trained blind person can
travel as rapidly and cross streets as efficiently as sighted pedestrians.
Yet by and large her experience and attitudes are healthy and articularly
expressed. This is what she says:

  Rebecca Atkinson is going blind. An experimental therapy could offer
her the chance to see again, but would she take it?

  Earlier this year doctors at Moorfields Eye Hospital, London, began
the world's first gene therapy trials to treat twelve patients who have
Leber's congenital amaurosis, a condition that causes progressive sight
loss. Following successful animal trials (said to have restored the vision
of blind dogs so they could navigate a maze without difficulty), it is
hoped that the technique, which involves injecting working copies of faulty
genes directly into the retina, will prove equally effective when carried
out on humans. The results will not be made public for a year, but, if the
technique works, scientists hope it could eventually be used to treat a
wide range of inherited sight disorders affecting up to 30,000 visually
impaired people in the UK and potentially millions more worldwide.
  The first viable treatment for blindness is twinkling on the horizon,
and, as one reader said on a national newspaper message board discussing
the trials, The possibility of being able to give improved sight to people
with visual impairments is a great development for the human race

Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

2007-11-12 Thread LSanjay
Hi,
If you are a born totally blind like me, restoration of sight will bring its 
own complexities.  You have to learn a language called seeing which 
sighted people mastered since the very first day of their birth.  I am sure, 
this is not as simple as both blind and most of the times sighted people 
believe to be.


- Original Message - 
From: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


While I do not disagree with anything said in the article, if gene therapy
is made available and if it guarantees restoration of sight, I would be the
first one to take it.
Identity and all that sounds good in the ideal world.
Although I have adjusted reasonably well to blindness, nothing can replace
the total and absolute independence that sight grants a person. There is
simply no substitute for it.

Geetha
- Original Message - 
From: Subramani L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Fantastic story. After reading this, I wanted to forget about our agreed
etiquette regarding on and off topics and wanted to express my feelings on
this one.

I think the whole thing sounds extremely honest and seem to reflect my own
experiences of becoming blind from the same condition. When I reacted
indifferently to my mom's suggestion that I must seriously consider gene
therapy to restore my sight, she was shocked and couldn't understand how
such an important thing as getting back my sight failed to evince a serious
response from me. I told her blindness has become my identity in the last 15
years and I am not all that comfortable shedding that identity. I told her
it offered a fresh and a totally different perspective to life and so on,
much on the same lines as Becky has described in her article, but the
problem with the so-called able-bodied people is that they somehow fail to
see the other side of things.

Also, I don't know how many of you agree with me if I say this: when we are
blind, the world wants us to follow their weird and convoluted understanding
of morality. They, for instance, can't digest a blind person smoking. Forget
about the health implications of smoking or drinking, but most people think
it is utterly wrong as a habit for a blind person to smoke, even if he
enjoys this activity with his sighted friends who are more than willing to
light their cigarette for them or pour their drinks.

As a smoker myself until three years ago, I used to learn from my sighted
friends that I attracted disgusted looks from sighted strangers (who
themselves would have gathered near that Tea shop to light a cigarette),
whenever I smoked.

As a teenager losing sight, smoking then was a way of gaining acceptance in
the mainstream world that never used to treat me on par. Only after
realising the serious health implications as a thirty-something, did I ever
quit smoking and drinking. I am not recommending this to anyone as ways of
gaining acceptance into the mainstream world, but am merely trying to point
out the weirdness in thinking among the able-bodied individuals in our
society.

Subramani




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LSanjay
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:03 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Reflections on Becoming Blind
 by Rebecca Atkinson

  From the Editor: On July 17, 2007, the Guardian, one of the most
prestigious newspapers in the United Kingdom, published an essay by a woman
who is losing her sight from retinitis pigmentosa. In some ways her
assumptions and experience of blindness depart startlingly from the
American, or at least NFB, presumption that a trained blind person can
travel as rapidly and cross streets as efficiently as sighted pedestrians.
Yet by and large her experience and attitudes are healthy and articularly
expressed. This is what she says:

  Rebecca Atkinson is going blind. An experimental therapy could offer
her the chance to see again, but would she take it?

  Earlier this year doctors at Moorfields Eye Hospital, London, began
the world's first gene therapy trials to treat twelve patients who have
Leber's congenital amaurosis, a condition that causes progressive sight
loss. Following successful animal trials (said to have restored the vision
of blind dogs so they could navigate a maze without difficulty), it is
hoped that the technique, which involves injecting working copies of faulty
genes directly into the retina, will prove equally effective when carried
out on humans. The results will not be made public for a year, but, if the
technique works

Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

2007-11-12 Thread Rajesh Asudani
But what about advantages of learning this new but universal language?

Are we afraid of change or learning something which is one of the
fundamental attributes of human species, nay a right of every body
arbitrarily denied to some?

Please let us not make blindness a norm, let us accept that it is sight 
which
is norm and lack of it a statistical exception. Surely the blindness is not
favored by natural evolution. Do not confuse my contention with eugenic 
ideas but I am trying to argue against defensive glorification of a 
condition which surely merits to be made less stressful and disadvantageous. 
I won't regret if one day nobody is born blind or becomes blind by other 
contingencies. But, yes, nobody may advocate selective breeding 
marginalization of the blind. Any human being who is consciously aware of 
her/his existence [save the natural or brief states on unconsciousness] and 
wills to live must afforded reasonable opportunities to do so.

Rajesh
- Original Message - 
From: LSanjay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED];
accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Hi,
If you are a born totally blind like me, restoration of sight will bring its
own complexities.  You have to learn a language called seeing which
sighted people mastered since the very first day of their birth.  I am sure,
this is not as simple as both blind and most of the times sighted people
believe to be.


- Original Message - 
From: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


While I do not disagree with anything said in the article, if gene therapy
is made available and if it guarantees restoration of sight, I would be the
first one to take it.
Identity and all that sounds good in the ideal world.
Although I have adjusted reasonably well to blindness, nothing can replace
the total and absolute independence that sight grants a person. There is
simply no substitute for it.

Geetha
- Original Message - 
From: Subramani L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Fantastic story. After reading this, I wanted to forget about our agreed
etiquette regarding on and off topics and wanted to express my feelings on
this one.

I think the whole thing sounds extremely honest and seem to reflect my own
experiences of becoming blind from the same condition. When I reacted
indifferently to my mom's suggestion that I must seriously consider gene
therapy to restore my sight, she was shocked and couldn't understand how
such an important thing as getting back my sight failed to evince a serious
response from me. I told her blindness has become my identity in the last 15
years and I am not all that comfortable shedding that identity. I told her
it offered a fresh and a totally different perspective to life and so on,
much on the same lines as Becky has described in her article, but the
problem with the so-called able-bodied people is that they somehow fail to
see the other side of things.

Also, I don't know how many of you agree with me if I say this: when we are
blind, the world wants us to follow their weird and convoluted understanding
of morality. They, for instance, can't digest a blind person smoking. Forget
about the health implications of smoking or drinking, but most people think
it is utterly wrong as a habit for a blind person to smoke, even if he
enjoys this activity with his sighted friends who are more than willing to
light their cigarette for them or pour their drinks.

As a smoker myself until three years ago, I used to learn from my sighted
friends that I attracted disgusted looks from sighted strangers (who
themselves would have gathered near that Tea shop to light a cigarette),
whenever I smoked.

As a teenager losing sight, smoking then was a way of gaining acceptance in
the mainstream world that never used to treat me on par. Only after
realising the serious health implications as a thirty-something, did I ever
quit smoking and drinking. I am not recommending this to anyone as ways of
gaining acceptance into the mainstream world, but am merely trying to point
out the weirdness in thinking among the able-bodied individuals in our
society.

Subramani




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LSanjay
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:03 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Reflections on Becoming Blind
 by Rebecca Atkinson

  From the Editor: On July 17, 2007, the Guardian, one of the most
prestigious newspapers in the United Kingdom, published an essay by a woman
who is losing her sight from

Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

2007-11-12 Thread Dr. Vipin Malhotra
i know why we become so hypocrite
One can not celebrate his blindness even with so many
justifications!
With love and care,
Vip!
- Original Message - 
From: Rajesh Asudani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


 absolutely well said

 I am tired of idealism.

 Given a choice nobody would prefer to be blind,
admittedly not even the 
 lady
 who has written the article inquestion.
 Then, isn't it strange that given a choice and a
reasonable assurance and
 affordability, they say, they would prefer not to
take the advantage of
 becoming sighted-even partially!!

 Let us not confuse the things.

 It is one thing to live successfully as a blind
person, but it is totally
 another to euphemize it as a state not fraught with
any disadvantages--be
 those disadvantages inherent in the condition or man
made!

 Words like identity, etc. are hollow semantic
phrases. Andd, what is the
 identity of even a fully functioning/productive
blind person in sighted
 world?

 Moreover, as said earlier, there is no substitute
for sight, and a fully
 functioning/productive blind person is either a myth
or a rarest of the 
 rare
 species who fortunately or accidentally finds
herself or himself bestowed
 with fortune and a field absolutely fitted to
his/her working. Still it
 would be a vocational functionality, and granted
he/she has noble family 
 as
 not to make him aware of his shortcomings, still
community would not spare
 him/her the crunch. And, for this, either
family/vocational 
 world/community
 is not to be blamed only. Sight is the norm and lack
of it is not, even
 though it is desirable to make it less fraught with
disadvantages either 
 by
 human assistance or by technology or sometimes by
reasonable 
 modifications.

 I am afraid if I have not been able to communicate
clearly.
 I wanted to write on the subject, but did not wish
to stir the hornet's
 nest.

 Rajesh
 Rajesh
 - Original Message - 
 From: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


 While I do not disagree with anything said in the
article, if gene therapy
 is made available and if it guarantees restoration
of sight, I would be 
 the
 first one to take it.
 Identity and all that sounds good in the ideal
world.
 Although I have adjusted reasonably well to
blindness, nothing can replace
 the total and absolute independence that sight
grants a person. There is
 simply no substitute for it.

 Geetha
 - Original Message - 
 From: Subramani L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


 Fantastic story. After reading this, I wanted to
forget about our agreed
 etiquette regarding on and off topics and wanted to
express my feelings on
 this one.

 I think the whole thing sounds extremely honest and
seem to reflect my own
 experiences of becoming blind from the same
condition. When I reacted
 indifferently to my mom's suggestion that I must
seriously consider gene
 therapy to restore my sight, she was shocked and
couldn't understand how
 such an important thing as getting back my sight
failed to evince a 
 serious
 response from me. I told her blindness has become my
identity in the last 
 15
 years and I am not all that comfortable shedding
that identity. I told her
 it offered a fresh and a totally different
perspective to life and so on,
 much on the same lines as Becky has described in her
article, but the
 problem with the so-called able-bodied people is
that they somehow fail to
 see the other side of things.

 Also, I don't know how many of you agree with me if
I say this: when we 
 are
 blind, the world wants us to follow their weird and
convoluted 
 understanding
 of morality. They, for instance, can't digest a
blind person smoking. 
 Forget
 about the health implications of smoking or
drinking, but most people 
 think
 it is utterly wrong as a habit for a blind person to
smoke, even if he
 enjoys this activity with his sighted friends who
are more than willing to
 light their cigarette for them or pour their drinks.

 As a smoker myself until three years ago, I used to
learn from my sighted
 friends that I attracted disgusted looks from
sighted strangers (who
 themselves would have gathered near that Tea shop to
light a cigarette),
 whenever I smoked.

 As a teenager losing sight, smoking then was a way
of gaining acceptance 
 in
 the mainstream world that never used to treat me on
par. Only after
 realising the serious health implications as a
thirty-something, did I 
 ever
 quit smoking and drinking. I am not recommending
this to anyone as ways of
 gaining acceptance into the mainstream world, but am
merely trying to 
 point
 out the weirdness in thinking among

Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

2007-11-12 Thread Dinesh Kaushal
I don't see need for idealism, it's about personal preference.
 
Given a reliable technology, I would surely like to see the world again, and
my identity is not blindness, nor it is my nationality, nor it is my
religion, I consider that I am a human, which is not going to change in the
forseeable future.

Regards
Dinesh Kaushal

blog at 
dineshkaushal.blogspot.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rajesh Asudani
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:30 AM
To: Geetha Shamanna; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

absolutely well said

I am tired of idealism.

Given a choice nobody would prefer to be blind, admittedly not even the lady
who has written the article inquestion.
Then, isn't it strange that given a choice and a reasonable assurance and
affordability, they say, they would prefer not to take the advantage of
becoming sighted-even partially!!

Let us not confuse the things.

It is one thing to live successfully as a blind person, but it is totally
another to euphemize it as a state not fraught with any disadvantages--be
those disadvantages inherent in the condition or man made!

Words like identity, etc. are hollow semantic phrases. Andd, what is the
identity of even a fully functioning/productive blind person in sighted
world?

Moreover, as said earlier, there is no substitute for sight, and a fully
functioning/productive blind person is either a myth or a rarest of the rare
species who fortunately or accidentally finds herself or himself bestowed
with fortune and a field absolutely fitted to his/her working. Still it
would be a vocational functionality, and granted he/she has noble family as
not to make him aware of his shortcomings, still community would not spare
him/her the crunch. And, for this, either family/vocational world/community
is not to be blamed only. Sight is the norm and lack of it is not, even
though it is desirable to make it less fraught with disadvantages either by
human assistance or by technology or sometimes by reasonable modifications.

I am afraid if I have not been able to communicate clearly.
I wanted to write on the subject, but did not wish to stir the hornet's
nest.

Rajesh
Rajesh
- Original Message -
From: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


While I do not disagree with anything said in the article, if gene therapy
is made available and if it guarantees restoration of sight, I would be the
first one to take it.
Identity and all that sounds good in the ideal world.
Although I have adjusted reasonably well to blindness, nothing can replace
the total and absolute independence that sight grants a person. There is
simply no substitute for it.

Geetha
- Original Message - 
From: Subramani L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Fantastic story. After reading this, I wanted to forget about our agreed
etiquette regarding on and off topics and wanted to express my feelings on
this one.

I think the whole thing sounds extremely honest and seem to reflect my own
experiences of becoming blind from the same condition. When I reacted
indifferently to my mom's suggestion that I must seriously consider gene
therapy to restore my sight, she was shocked and couldn't understand how
such an important thing as getting back my sight failed to evince a serious
response from me. I told her blindness has become my identity in the last 15
years and I am not all that comfortable shedding that identity. I told her
it offered a fresh and a totally different perspective to life and so on,
much on the same lines as Becky has described in her article, but the
problem with the so-called able-bodied people is that they somehow fail to
see the other side of things.

Also, I don't know how many of you agree with me if I say this: when we are
blind, the world wants us to follow their weird and convoluted understanding
of morality. They, for instance, can't digest a blind person smoking. Forget
about the health implications of smoking or drinking, but most people think
it is utterly wrong as a habit for a blind person to smoke, even if he
enjoys this activity with his sighted friends who are more than willing to
light their cigarette for them or pour their drinks.

As a smoker myself until three years ago, I used to learn from my sighted
friends that I attracted disgusted looks from sighted strangers (who
themselves would have gathered near that Tea shop to light a cigarette),
whenever I smoked.

As a teenager losing sight, smoking then was a way of gaining acceptance in
the mainstream world that never used to treat me on par. Only after
realising the serious health implications as a thirty-something, did I ever
quit smoking and drinking. I am

Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

2007-11-12 Thread niranjanraj urs
On 11/13/07, Dr. Vipin Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i know why we become so hypocrite
 One can not celebrate his blindness even with so many
 justifications!
 With love and care,
 Vip!
 - Original Message -
 From: Rajesh Asudani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


  absolutely well said
 
  I am tired of idealism.
 
  Given a choice nobody would prefer to be blind,
 admittedly not even the
  lady
  who has written the article inquestion.
  Then, isn't it strange that given a choice and a
 reasonable assurance and
  affordability, they say, they would prefer not to
 take the advantage of
  becoming sighted-even partially!!
 
  Let us not confuse the things.
 
  It is one thing to live successfully as a blind
 person, but it is totally
  another to euphemize it as a state not fraught with
 any disadvantages--be
  those disadvantages inherent in the condition or man
 made!
 
  Words like identity, etc. are hollow semantic
 phrases. Andd, what is the
  identity of even a fully functioning/productive
 blind person in sighted
  world?
 
  Moreover, as said earlier, there is no substitute
 for sight, and a fully
  functioning/productive blind person is either a myth
 or a rarest of the
  rare
  species who fortunately or accidentally finds
 herself or himself bestowed
  with fortune and a field absolutely fitted to
 his/her working. Still it
  would be a vocational functionality, and granted
 he/she has noble family
  as
  not to make him aware of his shortcomings, still
 community would not spare
  him/her the crunch. And, for this, either
 family/vocational
  world/community
  is not to be blamed only. Sight is the norm and lack
 of it is not, even
  though it is desirable to make it less fraught with
 disadvantages either
  by
  human assistance or by technology or sometimes by
 reasonable
  modifications.
 
  I am afraid if I have not been able to communicate
 clearly.
  I wanted to write on the subject, but did not wish
 to stir the hornet's
  nest.
 
  Rajesh
  Rajesh
  - Original Message -
  From: Geetha Shamanna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind
 
 
  While I do not disagree with anything said in the
 article, if gene therapy
  is made available and if it guarantees restoration
 of sight, I would be
  the
  first one to take it.
  Identity and all that sounds good in the ideal
 world.
  Although I have adjusted reasonably well to
 blindness, nothing can replace
  the total and absolute independence that sight
 grants a person. There is
  simply no substitute for it.
 
  Geetha
  - Original Message -
  From: Subramani L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind
 
 
  Fantastic story. After reading this, I wanted to
 forget about our agreed
  etiquette regarding on and off topics and wanted to
 express my feelings on
  this one.
 
  I think the whole thing sounds extremely honest and
 seem to reflect my own
  experiences of becoming blind from the same
 condition. When I reacted
  indifferently to my mom's suggestion that I must
 seriously consider gene
  therapy to restore my sight, she was shocked and
 couldn't understand how
  such an important thing as getting back my sight
 failed to evince a
  serious
  response from me. I told her blindness has become my
 identity in the last
  15
  years and I am not all that comfortable shedding
 that identity. I told her
  it offered a fresh and a totally different
 perspective to life and so on,
  much on the same lines as Becky has described in her
 article, but the
  problem with the so-called able-bodied people is
 that they somehow fail to
  see the other side of things.
 
  Also, I don't know how many of you agree with me if
 I say this: when we
  are
  blind, the world wants us to follow their weird and
 convoluted
  understanding
  of morality. They, for instance, can't digest a
 blind person smoking.
  Forget
  about the health implications of smoking or
 drinking, but most people
  think
  it is utterly wrong as a habit for a blind person to
 smoke, even if he
  enjoys this activity with his sighted friends who
 are more than willing to
  light their cigarette for them or pour their drinks.
 
  As a smoker myself until three years ago, I used to
 learn from my sighted
  friends that I attracted disgusted looks from
 sighted strangers (who
  themselves would have gathered near that Tea shop to
 light a cigarette),
  whenever I smoked.
 
  As a teenager losing sight, smoking then was a way
 of gaining acceptance
  in
  the mainstream world that never used to treat me on
 par. Only after
  realising the serious health implications as a
 thirty-something, did

Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

2007-11-11 Thread Subramani L
Fantastic story. After reading this, I wanted to forget about our agreed 
etiquette regarding on and off topics and wanted to express my feelings on this 
one. 

I think the whole thing sounds extremely honest and seem to reflect my own 
experiences of becoming blind from the same condition. When I reacted 
indifferently to my mom's suggestion that I must seriously consider gene 
therapy to restore my sight, she was shocked and couldn't understand how such 
an important thing as getting back my sight failed to evince a serious response 
from me. I told her blindness has become my identity in the last 15 years and I 
am not all that comfortable shedding that identity. I told her it offered a 
fresh and a totally different perspective to life and so on, much on the same 
lines as Becky has described in her article, but the problem with the so-called 
able-bodied people is that they somehow fail to see the other side of things.

Also, I don't know how many of you agree with me if I say this: when we are 
blind, the world wants us to follow their weird and convoluted understanding of 
morality. They, for instance, can't digest a blind person smoking. Forget about 
the health implications of smoking or drinking, but most people think it is 
utterly wrong as a habit for a blind person to smoke, even if he enjoys this 
activity with his sighted friends who are more than willing to light their 
cigarette for them or pour their drinks. 

As a smoker myself until three years ago, I used to learn from my sighted 
friends that I attracted disgusted looks from sighted strangers (who themselves 
would have gathered near that Tea shop to light a cigarette), whenever I 
smoked. 

As a teenager losing sight, smoking then was a way of gaining acceptance in the 
mainstream world that never used to treat me on par. Only after realising the 
serious health implications as a thirty-something, did I ever quit smoking and 
drinking. I am not recommending this to anyone as ways of gaining acceptance 
into the mainstream world, but am merely trying to point out the weirdness in 
thinking among the able-bodied individuals in our society. 

Subramani




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LSanjay
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:03 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


Reflections on Becoming Blind
 by Rebecca Atkinson

  From the Editor: On July 17, 2007, the Guardian, one of the most
prestigious newspapers in the United Kingdom, published an essay by a woman
who is losing her sight from retinitis pigmentosa. In some ways her
assumptions and experience of blindness depart startlingly from the
American, or at least NFB, presumption that a trained blind person can
travel as rapidly and cross streets as efficiently as sighted pedestrians.
Yet by and large her experience and attitudes are healthy and articularly
expressed. This is what she says:

  Rebecca Atkinson is going blind. An experimental therapy could offer
her the chance to see again, but would she take it?

  Earlier this year doctors at Moorfields Eye Hospital, London, began
the world's first gene therapy trials to treat twelve patients who have
Leber's congenital amaurosis, a condition that causes progressive sight
loss. Following successful animal trials (said to have restored the vision
of blind dogs so they could navigate a maze without difficulty), it is
hoped that the technique, which involves injecting working copies of faulty
genes directly into the retina, will prove equally effective when carried
out on humans. The results will not be made public for a year, but, if the
technique works, scientists hope it could eventually be used to treat a
wide range of inherited sight disorders affecting up to 30,000 visually
impaired people in the UK and potentially millions more worldwide.
  The first viable treatment for blindness is twinkling on the horizon,
and, as one reader said on a national newspaper message board discussing
the trials, The possibility of being able to give improved sight to people
with visual impairments is a great development for the human race.
  But what of the people we seek to repair? Those who have been born
blind and those, like me, who are losing or have lost their vision. Is this
what we have been waiting for? Is it a great development for the human
race, or a step forward in the eugenic quest for an über race, free of
imperfection and rid of the unease about disability that nestles quietly in
society's pocket?
  For the past thirteen years I have been losing my sight, due to a
genetic and incurable condition called retinitis pigmentosa (RP). RP causes
the photoreceptive cells on the retina to die off, causing, in my case,
tunnel vision

Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

2007-11-11 Thread niranjanraj urs
The article is simply brilliant and touching. As a person sailing in
the same boat, I can really understand the meaning of every sentence.
For the sake of being honest. please let me share some of my inner
thoughts. Due to RP, when I started losing sight some 14 years ago, my
wife ,who is not highly accomplished, started reading for me. I used
to get annoyed and often abused her for the poor reading. I little
understood then about my own real position. Slowly, the thought that I
am blind has sunk into my mind. Today, it is only because of my so
called less accomplished wife that I have read volumes and volumes of
books(of course in Kannada), which I never would have read had I been
sighted. Becoming blind, today I can empathise more to sufferings than
when I was OK. Yes, every incident and happening has its own merit.
B.Niranjan Raj Urs

On 11/12/07, Subramani L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Fantastic story. After reading this, I wanted to forget about our agreed
 etiquette regarding on and off topics and wanted to express my feelings on
 this one.

 I think the whole thing sounds extremely honest and seem to reflect my own
 experiences of becoming blind from the same condition. When I reacted
 indifferently to my mom's suggestion that I must seriously consider gene
 therapy to restore my sight, she was shocked and couldn't understand how
 such an important thing as getting back my sight failed to evince a serious
 response from me. I told her blindness has become my identity in the last 15
 years and I am not all that comfortable shedding that identity. I told her
 it offered a fresh and a totally different perspective to life and so on,
 much on the same lines as Becky has described in her article, but the
 problem with the so-called able-bodied people is that they somehow fail to
 see the other side of things.

 Also, I don't know how many of you agree with me if I say this: when we are
 blind, the world wants us to follow their weird and convoluted understanding
 of morality. They, for instance, can't digest a blind person smoking. Forget
 about the health implications of smoking or drinking, but most people think
 it is utterly wrong as a habit for a blind person to smoke, even if he
 enjoys this activity with his sighted friends who are more than willing to
 light their cigarette for them or pour their drinks.

 As a smoker myself until three years ago, I used to learn from my sighted
 friends that I attracted disgusted looks from sighted strangers (who
 themselves would have gathered near that Tea shop to light a cigarette),
 whenever I smoked.

 As a teenager losing sight, smoking then was a way of gaining acceptance in
 the mainstream world that never used to treat me on par. Only after
 realising the serious health implications as a thirty-something, did I ever
 quit smoking and drinking. I am not recommending this to anyone as ways of
 gaining acceptance into the mainstream world, but am merely trying to point
 out the weirdness in thinking among the able-bodied individuals in our
 society.

 Subramani




 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LSanjay
 Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:03 PM
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


 Reflections on Becoming Blind
  by Rebecca Atkinson
 
   From the Editor: On July 17, 2007, the Guardian, one of the most
 prestigious newspapers in the United Kingdom, published an essay by a woman
 who is losing her sight from retinitis pigmentosa. In some ways her
 assumptions and experience of blindness depart startlingly from the
 American, or at least NFB, presumption that a trained blind person can
 travel as rapidly and cross streets as efficiently as sighted pedestrians.
 Yet by and large her experience and attitudes are healthy and articularly
 expressed. This is what she says:
 
   Rebecca Atkinson is going blind. An experimental therapy could offer
 her the chance to see again, but would she take it?
 
   Earlier this year doctors at Moorfields Eye Hospital, London, began
 the world's first gene therapy trials to treat twelve patients who have
 Leber's congenital amaurosis, a condition that causes progressive sight
 loss. Following successful animal trials (said to have restored the vision
 of blind dogs so they could navigate a maze without difficulty), it is
 hoped that the technique, which involves injecting working copies of faulty
 genes directly into the retina, will prove equally effective when carried
 out on humans. The results will not be made public for a year, but, if the
 technique works, scientists hope it could eventually be used to treat a
 wide range of inherited sight disorders affecting up to 30,000 visually
 impaired people in the UK

Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

2007-11-11 Thread firoz
i agree to all points you all mention
i my self also late blind person started enjoying blind life
only draw back i always felt is
when i was able to see much better  so many of my so called friends used to 
wait for half an hour just to mit me
when they used to get news i am coming to their area
now after total blindness
same people passed through me so silently  in order to avoid me even if they 
are in my area

- Original Message - 
From: niranjanraj urs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


The article is simply brilliant and touching. As a person sailing in
the same boat, I can really understand the meaning of every sentence.
For the sake of being honest. please let me share some of my inner
thoughts. Due to RP, when I started losing sight some 14 years ago, my
wife ,who is not highly accomplished, started reading for me. I used
to get annoyed and often abused her for the poor reading. I little
understood then about my own real position. Slowly, the thought that I
am blind has sunk into my mind. Today, it is only because of my so
called less accomplished wife that I have read volumes and volumes of
books(of course in Kannada), which I never would have read had I been
sighted. Becoming blind, today I can empathise more to sufferings than
when I was OK. Yes, every incident and happening has its own merit.
B.Niranjan Raj Urs

On 11/12/07, Subramani L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Fantastic story. After reading this, I wanted to forget about our agreed
 etiquette regarding on and off topics and wanted to express my feelings on
 this one.

 I think the whole thing sounds extremely honest and seem to reflect my own
 experiences of becoming blind from the same condition. When I reacted
 indifferently to my mom's suggestion that I must seriously consider gene
 therapy to restore my sight, she was shocked and couldn't understand how
 such an important thing as getting back my sight failed to evince a 
 serious
 response from me. I told her blindness has become my identity in the last 
 15
 years and I am not all that comfortable shedding that identity. I told her
 it offered a fresh and a totally different perspective to life and so on,
 much on the same lines as Becky has described in her article, but the
 problem with the so-called able-bodied people is that they somehow fail to
 see the other side of things.

 Also, I don't know how many of you agree with me if I say this: when we 
 are
 blind, the world wants us to follow their weird and convoluted 
 understanding
 of morality. They, for instance, can't digest a blind person smoking. 
 Forget
 about the health implications of smoking or drinking, but most people 
 think
 it is utterly wrong as a habit for a blind person to smoke, even if he
 enjoys this activity with his sighted friends who are more than willing to
 light their cigarette for them or pour their drinks.

 As a smoker myself until three years ago, I used to learn from my sighted
 friends that I attracted disgusted looks from sighted strangers (who
 themselves would have gathered near that Tea shop to light a cigarette),
 whenever I smoked.

 As a teenager losing sight, smoking then was a way of gaining acceptance 
 in
 the mainstream world that never used to treat me on par. Only after
 realising the serious health implications as a thirty-something, did I 
 ever
 quit smoking and drinking. I am not recommending this to anyone as ways of
 gaining acceptance into the mainstream world, but am merely trying to 
 point
 out the weirdness in thinking among the able-bodied individuals in our
 society.

 Subramani




 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LSanjay
 Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:03 PM
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: [AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind


 Reflections on Becoming Blind
  by Rebecca Atkinson
 
   From the Editor: On July 17, 2007, the Guardian, one of the most
 prestigious newspapers in the United Kingdom, published an essay by a 
 woman
 who is losing her sight from retinitis pigmentosa. In some ways her
 assumptions and experience of blindness depart startlingly from the
 American, or at least NFB, presumption that a trained blind person can
 travel as rapidly and cross streets as efficiently as sighted pedestrians.
 Yet by and large her experience and attitudes are healthy and articularly
 expressed. This is what she says:
 
   Rebecca Atkinson is going blind. An experimental therapy could offer
 her the chance to see again, but would she take it?
 
   Earlier this year doctors at Moorfields Eye Hospital, London, began
 the world's first gene therapy trials to treat twelve patients who have

[AI] Reflections on Becoming Blind

2007-11-09 Thread LSanjay

Reflections on Becoming Blind
 by Rebecca Atkinson

  From the Editor: On July 17, 2007, the Guardian, one of the most
prestigious newspapers in the United Kingdom, published an essay by a woman
who is losing her sight from retinitis pigmentosa. In some ways her
assumptions and experience of blindness depart startlingly from the
American, or at least NFB, presumption that a trained blind person can
travel as rapidly and cross streets as efficiently as sighted pedestrians.
Yet by and large her experience and attitudes are healthy and articularly
expressed. This is what she says:

  Rebecca Atkinson is going blind. An experimental therapy could offer
her the chance to see again, but would she take it?

  Earlier this year doctors at Moorfields Eye Hospital, London, began
the world's first gene therapy trials to treat twelve patients who have
Leber's congenital amaurosis, a condition that causes progressive sight
loss. Following successful animal trials (said to have restored the vision
of blind dogs so they could navigate a maze without difficulty), it is
hoped that the technique, which involves injecting working copies of faulty
genes directly into the retina, will prove equally effective when carried
out on humans. The results will not be made public for a year, but, if the
technique works, scientists hope it could eventually be used to treat a
wide range of inherited sight disorders affecting up to 30,000 visually
impaired people in the UK and potentially millions more worldwide.
  The first viable treatment for blindness is twinkling on the horizon,
and, as one reader said on a national newspaper message board discussing
the trials, The possibility of being able to give improved sight to people
with visual impairments is a great development for the human race.
  But what of the people we seek to repair? Those who have been born
blind and those, like me, who are losing or have lost their vision. Is this
what we have been waiting for? Is it a great development for the human
race, or a step forward in the eugenic quest for an über race, free of
imperfection and rid of the unease about disability that nestles quietly in
society's pocket?
  For the past thirteen years I have been losing my sight, due to a
genetic and incurable condition called retinitis pigmentosa (RP). RP causes
the photoreceptive cells on the retina to die off, causing, in my case,
tunnel vision. I liken it to looking at the world down the middle of two
toilet rolls. My central vision remains intact, but where once was
peripheral vision, now float only my thoughts. In time these loo rolls will
shrink to knotholes and then pinholes and then possibly nothing.
  In the early years after my diagnosis, blindness remained a repulsive
and terrifying concept. Every year I would visit the doctor, and he would
say the same thing--that I must live and plan my life with the certainty
that blindness was inevitable. And so, slowly over time, that is what I
learned to do.
  But now the advent of gene therapy has pushed open a chink in the
door. Disabled people have long asked themselves the hypothetical would
you be cured if you could? question. Now for the first time there is a
chance, albeit very small, that maybe one day I might actually get my sight
back. Hurrah, you cry. I must be thrilled.
  Actually I am a bit confused. It is easy to assume that all visually
impaired people will be hammering down the doors should gene therapy prove
successful. But to say this is to assume that a blind life is lesser and
that all blind people really want to be sighted. They don't.
  The first blind man I ever met, who also happened to be my boss at
the time, is one of them. I recently asked him if he would have gene
therapy if he could. No, came his reply. Because, he tells me, regaining
sight is more than just seeing again. There are issues of identity and
culture at stake too. As the blind-from-birth son of blind parents, I am,
in part of my soul, defined by my blindness, he explains. It directly
equates to ethnic or racial origin. If you give a black person the choice
to be white, there may well be significant advantages in such a deal: more
access to better jobs; freedom from the shackles of ignorant prejudice; in
short, a step closer to equality. But I'd bet most would turn the offer
down flat.
  But what if, unlike my old boss, you haven't always been blind? What
if, like me, you grew up with full vision and have seen all the cliché-
ridden things that those born totally blind are pitied for never having
seen--the sunset, your own reflection, the look in your lover's eyes. What
if your soul is sighted, and then you go blind? You will cry and wonder
why. You will hope and pray. You will wish it would all go away. But the
longer your