Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-18 Thread Rajesh Parakh
Dear Abhijeet,
it's indeed shocking. but we will have to face such kind of incidents in
future because as the life is getting faster people are becoming feelingless
for others and are bothered about themselves. so just care a damm.
regards,
rajesh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore


> Hello friends,
>Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I have been
> to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
>
>Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced that the
> common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I am sharing
> just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our so much
> achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
>1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place. we just
> forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee note to
> that auto person. he had the change but he abused us in these words in
> local language."blinds always want free service they made for begging
> only" after long argument he gave us the change.
>
> 2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag. after
> reaching there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?" In return
> the ticket seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is not allowed
> inside" then he abused with local language. We have taken action according
> to the situation.
>
>As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I never saw
> this kind of aggressive and negative attitude any where ells. in northern
> India we are known as Soor dass sometimes we have to fight with others but
> this is the first time I experience that all classes  of a high-tech city
> are showing negative attitude towards a particular category.
>
>'where there is smoke there is fire'  through my experience I can say
> that in Bangalore it has been projected that blinds are beggars only This
> projection has come in organized way.I do not know who is behind this but
> people can change this attitude who are between us. I can understand that
> the blinds of Bangalore may feel uncomfortable after reading this mail but
> if this attitude will change then it will comfortable to all of us in long
> run.
>
> Where there is the will there is the way.
>
> With hope
> Abhijit
> Hyderabad
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Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-18 Thread Rajesh Parakh
Dear Abhijeet,
it's indeed shocking. but we will have to face such kind of incidents in
future because as the life is getting faster people are becoming feelingless
for others and are bothered about themselves. so just care a damm.
regards,
rajesh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore


> Hello friends,
>Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I have been
> to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
>
>Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced that the
> common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I am sharing
> just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our so much
> achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
>1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place. we just
> forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee note to
> that auto person. he had the change but he abused us in these words in
> local language."blinds always want free service they made for begging
> only" after long argument he gave us the change.
>
> 2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag. after
> reaching there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?" In return
> the ticket seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is not allowed
> inside" then he abused with local language. We have taken action according
> to the situation.
>
>As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I never saw
> this kind of aggressive and negative attitude any where ells. in northern
> India we are known as Soor dass sometimes we have to fight with others but
> this is the first time I experience that all classes  of a high-tech city
> are showing negative attitude towards a particular category.
>
>'where there is smoke there is fire'  through my experience I can say
> that in Bangalore it has been projected that blinds are beggars only This
> projection has come in organized way.I do not know who is behind this but
> people can change this attitude who are between us. I can understand that
> the blinds of Bangalore may feel uncomfortable after reading this mail but
> if this attitude will change then it will comfortable to all of us in long
> run.
>
> Where there is the will there is the way.
>
> With hope
> Abhijit
> Hyderabad
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Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-18 Thread Rajesh Parakh
sorry that the same message has been repeated. i'll take care next time.
regards,
rajesh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore


> Hello friends,
>Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I have been 
> to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
>
>Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced that the 
> common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I am sharing 
> just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our so much 
> achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
>1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place. we just 
> forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee note to 
> that auto person. he had the change but he abused us in these words in 
> local language."blinds always want free service they made for begging 
> only" after long argument he gave us the change.
>
> 2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag. after 
> reaching there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?" In return 
> the ticket seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is not allowed 
> inside" then he abused with local language. We have taken action according 
> to the situation.
>
>As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I never saw 
> this kind of aggressive and negative attitude any where ells. in northern 
> India we are known as Soor dass sometimes we have to fight with others but 
> this is the first time I experience that all classes  of a high-tech city 
> are showing negative attitude towards a particular category.
>
>'where there is smoke there is fire'  through my experience I can say 
> that in Bangalore it has been projected that blinds are beggars only This 
> projection has come in organized way.I do not know who is behind this but 
> people can change this attitude who are between us. I can understand that 
> the blinds of Bangalore may feel uncomfortable after reading this mail but 
> if this attitude will change then it will comfortable to all of us in long 
> run.
>
> Where there is the will there is the way.
>
> With hope
> Abhijit
> Hyderabad
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Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-18 Thread Rajesh Parakh
Dear Abhijeet,
it's indeed shocking. but we will have to face such kind of incidents in 
future because as the life is getting faster people are becoming feelingless 
for others and are bothered about themselves. so just care a damm.
regards,
rajesh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore


> Hello friends,
>Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I have been 
> to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
>
>Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced that the 
> common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I am sharing 
> just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our so much 
> achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
>1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place. we just 
> forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee note to 
> that auto person. he had the change but he abused us in these words in 
> local language."blinds always want free service they made for begging 
> only" after long argument he gave us the change.
>
> 2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag. after 
> reaching there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?" In return 
> the ticket seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is not allowed 
> inside" then he abused with local language. We have taken action according 
> to the situation.
>
>As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I never saw 
> this kind of aggressive and negative attitude any where ells. in northern 
> India we are known as Soor dass sometimes we have to fight with others but 
> this is the first time I experience that all classes  of a high-tech city 
> are showing negative attitude towards a particular category.
>
>'where there is smoke there is fire'  through my experience I can say 
> that in Bangalore it has been projected that blinds are beggars only This 
> projection has come in organized way.I do not know who is behind this but 
> people can change this attitude who are between us. I can understand that 
> the blinds of Bangalore may feel uncomfortable after reading this mail but 
> if this attitude will change then it will comfortable to all of us in long 
> run.
>
> Where there is the will there is the way.
>
> With hope
> Abhijit
> Hyderabad
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Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-18 Thread Dheeraj
Yes Amit, Very much agree with you, If the person is not able to understand 
the abilities of disabled than it is our responsibility to make him/her 
aware of it. So often We  only criticize the people only for not 
understanding us without making any effort. People understands or not it 
doesn't matter, But at least we can try our best.
- Original Message - 
From: "amit bhattt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ; "Harish Kotian" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore


Dear all,
This incidence was indeed dreadful and I would never call it an interesting 
but, I do agree that we cannot generalize such occurrence in one particular 
state only. Don't know how many of the disabled, specially persons with 
visual impairment, confront such unfortunate issues in their life. Even in 
Delhi I have observed people staying with the thoughts that visually 
impaired are beggars and cannot afford in auto and other things. Gradually, 
we can see changes in the attitude of the sighted people but yes, we have 
still lot of things to do in terms of making this society aware.
Don't mind friends, but truth is that if not everything but at least 
something is in our hand to get respect in our society and culture. The 
example given by Mr. Subramani is great and can help in making the people 
realize that visually challenged are also human being. It is totally unfair 
to specify the name of beggar with a disabled person. In my opinion, If you 
conduct any survey, we will come to know that sighted are more beggars in 
numbers as compare to visually impaired person, however, these uninformed 
and oblivious citizens failing to recognize the reality.
"people don't know the ability of the visually impaired people in 
Bangalore." Well I would differ here! The same approach towards disabled 
persons can be observed in all part of the Country. But yes, one more thing 
I would like to opine that speaking good English, Hindi or any other 
language doesn't mean that you are an educated person unless you understand 
the things clearly  and behave with others in well manner like a human being 
should be, not like animal.
Anyways, if the person standing in front of you is not aware of our 
disability and ability, then it must be our own effort to make him or her 
aware. They would understand or not, that is not sure and different matter 
but we have to do this for sure!
Individuals, communities, NGO's, come together and act now!

-- 
Warm regards,

Amit Bhatt
Spokesperson - Indian Association of the Blind
New Delhi, India
IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Windows Live: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Skype: amitbhattindia

"Alone we can do so little, together we can do so much"-Helen Keller





Quoting Harish Kotian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi all
>
> I too lived at Bangalore for 7 years. I didn't experience  any such
>
> incident.
>
> It is not a fair assessment to make such generalisation, towards,
> people of
> that state, until, and unless it is widespread.
>
> Isn't it the same generalisation that some think that all blind
> persons are
> beggers?
>
> It is these dwarfed mind sets and prejudices which are the cause of
> most
> problems  plaguing this planet.
>
> Bangalore is certainly a great place to live and the folks are
> warm, gentle
> and helpful. It is also cosmopolitan in its character. If one can
> speak
> english or hindi, one can certainly manage.
>
> This incident is certainly deplorable, and I hope it is an isolated
> one.
>
> I guess we are deviating from the issue here.
> Harish
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Balaraman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about
> Benglore
>
>
> > Very shocking indeed. But, I am not surprised at this. Most of
> the
> > Karnataka
> > guys only know their mother tongue. That itself speaks the volume
> of their
> > thinking capabilities. Myself and my friends have experienced
> different
> > kinds of such silly incidents from those who belong to that
> state. In my
> > opinion, it is nothing but due to lack of education. This is my
> personal
> > view only, and I humbly ask the members not to take this as an
> offence.
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
> > Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about
> Benglore
> >
> >
> >> Hello friends,
> >>Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I
> have
> >> been
> >> to

Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-18 Thread amit bhattt
And, people in the other states including capital New Delhi, should learn and 
make similar efforts.
-- 
Warm regards,

Amit Bhatt
Spokesperson - Indian Association of the Blind
New Delhi, India
IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Windows Live: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Skype: amitbhattindia

“Alone we can do so little, together we can do so much"-Helen Keller





Quoting Vedprakash Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> this is a welcome effort on part of Nab Karnataka and should be
> appreciated.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Srinivasu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 3:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about
> Benglore
> 
> 
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I have forwarded the below mail to NAB Karnataka and got a call
> from one 
> > of
> > its official just now. They too felt sorry about the experience
> that our
> > friends had in Bangalore. NAB Karnataka making all possible
> efforts to
> > create awareness but still there would some areas that need more
> 
> > awareness.
> >
> > In the future, if any one face similar experience / difficulty
> may
> > immediately report Mr. Dayanand Kanchan of NAB Karnataka at +91
> 80 2528 
> > 1590
> > / 2528 1439 and their team will come to the incident place and
> offer
> > necessary help as well as educate the people who create such
> problems.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Srinivasu
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: Balaraman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:08 PM
> > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> > Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about
> Benglore
> >
> > Very shocking indeed. But, I am not surprised at this. Most of
> the 
> > Karnataka
> >
> > guys only know their mother tongue. That itself speaks the volume
> of their
> > thinking capabilities. Myself and my friends have experienced
> different
> > kinds of such silly incidents from those who belong to that
> state. In my
> > opinion, it is nothing but due to lack of education. This is my
> personal
> > view only, and I humbly ask the members not to take this as an
> offence.
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
> > Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about
> Benglore
> >
> >
> >> Hello friends,
> >>Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I
> have 
> >> been
> >
> >> to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
> >>
> >>Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced
> that the
> >> common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I
> am sharing
> >> just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our
> so much
> >> achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
> >>1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place.
> we just
> >> forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee
> note to
> >> that auto person. he had the change but he abused us in these
> words in
> >> local language."blinds always want free service they made for
> begging
> >> only" after long argument he gave us the change.
> >>
> >> 2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag.
> after
> >> reaching there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?"
> In 
> >> return
> >
> >> the ticket seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is
> not 
> >> allowed
> >
> >> inside" then he abused with local language. We have taken action
> 
> >> according
> >
> >> to the situation.
> >>
> >>As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I
> never saw
> >> this kind of aggressive and negative attitude any where ells. in
> northern
> >> India we are known as Soor dass sometimes we have to fight with
> others 
> >> but
> >
> >> this is the first time I experience that all classes  of a
> high-tech city
> >> are showing negative attitude towards a particular category.
> >>
> >>'where there is smoke there is fire'  through my experience I
> can say
> >> that in Bangalore it has been projected that blinds are beggars
> only This
> >> projection has come in organized way.I do not know who is behind
> this but

[AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-18 Thread YADAV, D. N
Hi Srinivasu

I applaud your efforts you've mailed to NAB, kKarnataka. But what further they 
have done?  Have they written on their LH to the concerned Deptt, reporting the 
incidence, date, time & venue of Lal Bagh...? 
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Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-17 Thread Vedprakash Sharma
this is a welcome effort on part of Nab Karnataka and should be appreciated.
- Original Message - 
From: "Srinivasu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore


> Hello All,
>
> I have forwarded the below mail to NAB Karnataka and got a call from one 
> of
> its official just now. They too felt sorry about the experience that our
> friends had in Bangalore. NAB Karnataka making all possible efforts to
> create awareness but still there would some areas that need more 
> awareness.
>
> In the future, if any one face similar experience / difficulty may
> immediately report Mr. Dayanand Kanchan of NAB Karnataka at +91 80 2528 
> 1590
> / 2528 1439 and their team will come to the incident place and offer
> necessary help as well as educate the people who create such problems.
>
> Regards,
> Srinivasu
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Balaraman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:08 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore
>
> Very shocking indeed. But, I am not surprised at this. Most of the 
> Karnataka
>
> guys only know their mother tongue. That itself speaks the volume of their
> thinking capabilities. Myself and my friends have experienced different
> kinds of such silly incidents from those who belong to that state. In my
> opinion, it is nothing but due to lack of education. This is my personal
> view only, and I humbly ask the members not to take this as an offence.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
> Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore
>
>
>> Hello friends,
>>Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I have 
>> been
>
>> to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
>>
>>Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced that the
>> common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I am sharing
>> just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our so much
>> achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
>>1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place. we just
>> forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee note to
>> that auto person. he had the change but he abused us in these words in
>> local language."blinds always want free service they made for begging
>> only" after long argument he gave us the change.
>>
>> 2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag. after
>> reaching there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?" In 
>> return
>
>> the ticket seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is not 
>> allowed
>
>> inside" then he abused with local language. We have taken action 
>> according
>
>> to the situation.
>>
>>As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I never saw
>> this kind of aggressive and negative attitude any where ells. in northern
>> India we are known as Soor dass sometimes we have to fight with others 
>> but
>
>> this is the first time I experience that all classes  of a high-tech city
>> are showing negative attitude towards a particular category.
>>
>>'where there is smoke there is fire'  through my experience I can say
>> that in Bangalore it has been projected that blinds are beggars only This
>> projection has come in organized way.I do not know who is behind this but
>> people can change this attitude who are between us. I can understand that
>> the blinds of Bangalore may feel uncomfortable after reading this mail 
>> but
>
>> if this attitude will change then it will comfortable to all of us in 
>> long
>
>> run.
>>
>> Where there is the will there is the way.
>>
>> With hope
>> Abhijit
>> Hyderabad
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[AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-17 Thread YADAV, D. N
Yes Mahendra, I agree to what you say.  Language does not matter here but the 
way you say, the most.  I in the first instance would have said to this 
gentleman in a very calm way in any language that best suits him: O yes, I've 
begged this money too, that you gave me in begging this time you're begging 
as I've the money & you need it...everybody begs at some time or the other; may 
be somewhat differently.  & at Ticket counter?  'Sir, do I look like a begger 
to you?  Being a literate man if you can make that mistake, you can be mistaken 
for a begger by anybody at anywhere other than this counter if others make 
mistakes like you too.  'The biggest men and women with the biggest ideas can 
be shot down by the smallest men and women with smallest ideas;  & I was really 
confounded one day by my lady reader in my college days once when she cassually 
said 'you are an English perfectionist.  We have a proffessor like you in our 
college.  Everybody once leftout the halll because he was not seeing, when he 
was lecturing in Englis.  Learned ones appreciate your English but those not 
knowing always feel insulted..
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Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-17 Thread Srinivasu
Hello All,

I have forwarded the below mail to NAB Karnataka and got a call from one of
its official just now. They too felt sorry about the experience that our
friends had in Bangalore. NAB Karnataka making all possible efforts to
create awareness but still there would some areas that need more awareness. 

In the future, if any one face similar experience / difficulty may
immediately report Mr. Dayanand Kanchan of NAB Karnataka at +91 80 2528 1590
/ 2528 1439 and their team will come to the incident place and offer
necessary help as well as educate the people who create such problems. 

Regards,
Srinivasu


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From: Balaraman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:08 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

Very shocking indeed. But, I am not surprised at this. Most of the Karnataka

guys only know their mother tongue. That itself speaks the volume of their 
thinking capabilities. Myself and my friends have experienced different 
kinds of such silly incidents from those who belong to that state. In my 
opinion, it is nothing but due to lack of education. This is my personal 
view only, and I humbly ask the members not to take this as an offence.
- Original Message - 
From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore


> Hello friends,
>Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I have been

> to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
>
>Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced that the 
> common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I am sharing 
> just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our so much 
> achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
>1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place. we just 
> forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee note to 
> that auto person. he had the change but he abused us in these words in 
> local language."blinds always want free service they made for begging 
> only" after long argument he gave us the change.
>
> 2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag. after 
> reaching there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?" In return

> the ticket seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is not allowed

> inside" then he abused with local language. We have taken action according

> to the situation.
>
>As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I never saw 
> this kind of aggressive and negative attitude any where ells. in northern 
> India we are known as Soor dass sometimes we have to fight with others but

> this is the first time I experience that all classes  of a high-tech city 
> are showing negative attitude towards a particular category.
>
>'where there is smoke there is fire'  through my experience I can say 
> that in Bangalore it has been projected that blinds are beggars only This 
> projection has come in organized way.I do not know who is behind this but 
> people can change this attitude who are between us. I can understand that 
> the blinds of Bangalore may feel uncomfortable after reading this mail but

> if this attitude will change then it will comfortable to all of us in long

> run.
>
> Where there is the will there is the way.
>
> With hope
> Abhijit
> Hyderabad
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Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-16 Thread RKG
Hi,
Perhaps, your experience and observation is correct, but it may happen on 
any part of India, whether in Bangalore or Chennai or even Delhi also.
But, as far concern to my personal experience and observation in Bangalore 
in December 21, 2005, I enjoyed well with my family during visiting Lal Bag, 
Science Museum and other places of that city.
I also shared my experience with MR. L SUBRAMUNIUM AND RAJANI G also on same 
day and I also thanked them for guiding me well in phone and mail about 
visiting places in Mysore and Bangalore and Chennai too.
Therefore, I request to all members, please don't generalise the incident 
particularly in special respect of Bangalore and we should keep patience, 
although if it is necessary, then we should fight against the injustice by 
anyone in anyone of any city.
Regards,
RAKESH KUMAR GUPTA
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- Original Message - 
From: "Ashwani Jassal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore


> very bad but these people come from lower community that is why they don't
> know the potential of blind people. A campaign has to be launched to make
> people aware of the qualities of blind people.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
> Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore
>
>
>> Hello friends,
>>Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I have 
>> been
>> to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
>>
>>Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced that the
>> common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I am sharing
>> just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our so much
>> achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
>>1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place. we just
>> forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee note to
>> that auto person. he had the change but he abused us in these words in
>> local language."blinds always want free service they made for begging
>> only" after long argument he gave us the change.
>>
>> 2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag. after
>> reaching there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?" In 
>> return
>> the ticket seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is not 
>> allowed
>> inside" then he abused with local language. We have taken action 
>> according
>> to the situation.
>>
>>As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I never saw
>> this kind of aggressive and negative attitude any where ells. in northern
>> India we are known as Soor dass sometimes we have to fight with others 
>> but
>> this is the first time I experience that all classes  of a high-tech city
>> are showing negative attitude towards a particular category.
>>
>>'where there is smoke there is fire'  through my experience I can say
>> that in Bangalore it has been projected that blinds are beggars only This
>> projection has come in organized way.I do not know who is behind this but
>> people can change this attitude who are between us. I can understand that
>> the blinds of Bangalore may feel uncomfortable after reading this mail 
>> but
>> if this attitude will change then it will comfortable to all of us in 
>> long
>> run.
>>
>> Where there is the will there is the way.
>>
>> With hope
>> Abhijit
>> Hyderabad
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Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-16 Thread amit bhattt
Dear all,
This incidence was indeed dreadful and I would never call it an interesting 
but, I do agree that we cannot generalize such occurrence in one particular 
state only. Don’t know how many of the disabled, specially persons with visual 
impairment, confront such unfortunate issues in their life. Even in Delhi I 
have observed people staying with the thoughts that visually impaired are 
beggars and cannot afford in auto and other things. Gradually, we can see 
changes in the attitude of the sighted people but yes, we have still lot of 
things to do in terms of making this society aware.
Don’t mind friends, but truth is that if not everything but at least something 
is in our hand to get respect in our society and culture. The example given by 
Mr. Subramani is great and can help in making the people realize that visually 
challenged are also human being. It is totally unfair to specify the name of 
beggar with a disabled person. In my opinion, If you conduct any survey, we 
will come to know that sighted are more beggars in numbers as compare to 
visually impaired person, however, these uninformed and oblivious citizens 
failing to recognize the reality.
”people don’t know the ability of the visually impaired people in Bangalore.” 
Well I would differ here! The same approach towards disabled persons can be 
observed in all part of the Country. But yes, one more thing I would like to 
opine that speaking good English, Hindi or any other language doesn’t mean that 
you are an educated person unless you understand the things clearly  and behave 
with others in well manner like a human being should be, not like animal.
Anyways, if the person standing in front of you is not aware of our disability 
and ability, then it must be our own effort to make him or her aware. They 
would understand or not, that is not sure and different matter but we have to 
do this for sure!
Individuals, communities, NGO’s, come together and act now!

-- 
Warm regards,

Amit Bhatt
Spokesperson - Indian Association of the Blind
New Delhi, India
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Quoting Harish Kotian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi all
> 
> I too lived at Bangalore for 7 years. I didn't experience  any such
> 
> incident.
> 
> It is not a fair assessment to make such generalisation, towards,
> people of 
> that state, until, and unless it is widespread.
> 
> Isn't it the same generalisation that some think that all blind
> persons are 
> beggers?
> 
> It is these dwarfed mind sets and prejudices which are the cause of
> most 
> problems  plaguing this planet.
> 
> Bangalore is certainly a great place to live and the folks are
> warm, gentle 
> and helpful. It is also cosmopolitan in its character. If one can
> speak 
> english or hindi, one can certainly manage.
> 
> This incident is certainly deplorable, and I hope it is an isolated
> one.
> 
> I guess we are deviating from the issue here.
> Harish
> - Original Message ----- 
> From: "Balaraman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about
> Benglore
> 
> 
> > Very shocking indeed. But, I am not surprised at this. Most of
> the 
> > Karnataka
> > guys only know their mother tongue. That itself speaks the volume
> of their
> > thinking capabilities. Myself and my friends have experienced
> different
> > kinds of such silly incidents from those who belong to that
> state. In my
> > opinion, it is nothing but due to lack of education. This is my
> personal
> > view only, and I humbly ask the members not to take this as an
> offence.
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
> > Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about
> Benglore
> >
> >
> >> Hello friends,
> >>Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I
> have 
> >> been
> >> to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
> >>
> >>Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced
> that the
> >> common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I
> am sharing
> >> just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our
> so much
> >> achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
> >>1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place.
> we just
> >> forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee
> note to
> >> that auto person. he had the

Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-16 Thread Subramani L
Hai Mahendra:

Your observation in general is correct. But, polished English, with a
good British or American accent, is perhaps the subtle indication of
your educational qualification, as understood by folks here. 

In fact, whatever I had suggested is from personal experience. When
folks are helpful, I don't mind talking to them even in broken Kannada,
as curtsy would demand. But, when I understand that someone is talking
in an objectionable way, I would immediately switch over to the accented
English as a way of scaring the other guy. The best thing is people in
South gets offended if you speak in English. Even a milder abuse would
sound to them very objectionable. I don't exactly know the reason, but
this is a good scare tactics.

Subramani



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mahendra
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:54 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

Hi why polished english only?
any language well spoken, is as good as english.
it is just not language, but how you say, matters as well.
At 10:49 AM 10/16/2007, you wrote:
>Hai:
>
>Living in Bangalore, I must tell you that I have never experienced this
>even once; if I will face the problem in future, I know not.
>
>But, the most basic issue here is the perception of the blind as
beggers
>by the society. Yes, it hurts, but who suffers the damage depends on
the
>attitude. When someone refers to you as a begger, say in the case of
the
>autowala, I would have perhaps walked away without picking up the
>change. It's costly and we can't do this very often, but if you get a
>chance you can do at least once. After this  I am sure the other person
>will be feeling bad, not you.
>
>Regarding the Lalbagh incident, when someone abuses you publicly, you
>must tell him/her in no uncertain terms that you have come there to
>spend a pleasant evening and they have spoilt it. Reminding them how
>their own family member would have felt while hearing something like
>this, you must walk out creating a big fuss, so that others notice and
>you can spread the word. Make sure you talk in the most polished
>English, reminding them that their perception is wrong.
>
>Subramani
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ashwani
>Jassal
>Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:24 PM
>To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about
Benglore
>
>very bad but these people come from lower community that is why they
>don't
>know the potential of blind people. A campaign has to be launched to
>make
>people aware of the qualities of blind people.
>----- Original Message -
>From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
>Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore
>
>
> > Hello friends,
> >Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I
have
>been
> > to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
> >
> >Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced that
>the
> > common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I am
>sharing
> > just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our so
>much
> > achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
> >1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place. we
>just
> > forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee note
to
>
> > that auto person. he had the change but he abused us in these words
in
>
> > local language."blinds always want free service they made for
begging
> > only" after long argument he gave us the change.
> >
> > 2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag.
after
>
> > reaching there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?" In
>return
> > the ticket seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is not
>allowed
> > inside" then he abused with local language. We have taken action
>according
> > to the situation.
> >
> >As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I
never
>saw
> > this kind of aggressive and negative attitude any where ells. in
>northern
> > India we are known as Soor dass sometimes we have to fight with
others
>but
> > this is the first time I experience that all classes  of a high-tech
>city
> > are showing negative attitude towards a particular category.
> >
> >'where there is smoke there is fire'  through my experience I can
>say
> > that in Bangalore i

Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-16 Thread Harish Kotian
Hi all

I too lived at Bangalore for 7 years. I didn't experience  any such 
incident.

It is not a fair assessment to make such generalisation, towards, people of 
that state, until, and unless it is widespread.

Isn't it the same generalisation that some think that all blind persons are 
beggers?

It is these dwarfed mind sets and prejudices which are the cause of most 
problems  plaguing this planet.

Bangalore is certainly a great place to live and the folks are warm, gentle 
and helpful. It is also cosmopolitan in its character. If one can speak 
english or hindi, one can certainly manage.

This incident is certainly deplorable, and I hope it is an isolated one.

I guess we are deviating from the issue here.
Harish
- Original Message - 
From: "Balaraman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore


> Very shocking indeed. But, I am not surprised at this. Most of the 
> Karnataka
> guys only know their mother tongue. That itself speaks the volume of their
> thinking capabilities. Myself and my friends have experienced different
> kinds of such silly incidents from those who belong to that state. In my
> opinion, it is nothing but due to lack of education. This is my personal
> view only, and I humbly ask the members not to take this as an offence.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
> Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore
>
>
>> Hello friends,
>>Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I have 
>> been
>> to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
>>
>>Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced that the
>> common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I am sharing
>> just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our so much
>> achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
>>1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place. we just
>> forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee note to
>> that auto person. he had the change but he abused us in these words in
>> local language."blinds always want free service they made for begging
>> only" after long argument he gave us the change.
>>
>> 2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag. after
>> reaching there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?" In 
>> return
>> the ticket seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is not 
>> allowed
>> inside" then he abused with local language. We have taken action 
>> according
>> to the situation.
>>
>>As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I never saw
>> this kind of aggressive and negative attitude any where ells. in northern
>> India we are known as Soor dass sometimes we have to fight with others 
>> but
>> this is the first time I experience that all classes  of a high-tech city
>> are showing negative attitude towards a particular category.
>>
>>'where there is smoke there is fire'  through my experience I can say
>> that in Bangalore it has been projected that blinds are beggars only This
>> projection has come in organized way.I do not know who is behind this but
>> people can change this attitude who are between us. I can understand that
>> the blinds of Bangalore may feel uncomfortable after reading this mail 
>> but
>> if this attitude will change then it will comfortable to all of us in 
>> long
>> run.
>>
>> Where there is the will there is the way.
>>
>> With hope
>> Abhijit
>> Hyderabad
>> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-16 Thread bv
Friend, It is shocking to hear this at Bangalore. I heard somebody would 
press alms without knowing anything. But it is wonder that people are 
treating after proper questions. Even a VC can become a Prime minister in 
U.K. On the other hand we are pictured as beggar . Friends do not loose your 
confidence by these. We should fight over this by proving our ability. The 
media also should make aware among people. BV
- Original Message - 
From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore


> Hello friends,
>Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I have been 
> to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
>
>Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced that the 
> common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I am sharing 
> just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our so much 
> achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
>1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place. we just 
> forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee note to 
> that auto person. he had the change but he abused us in these words in 
> local language."blinds always want free service they made for begging 
> only" after long argument he gave us the change.
>
> 2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag. after 
> reaching there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?" In return 
> the ticket seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is not allowed 
> inside" then he abused with local language. We have taken action according 
> to the situation.
>
>As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I never saw 
> this kind of aggressive and negative attitude any where ells. in northern 
> India we are known as Soor dass sometimes we have to fight with others but 
> this is the first time I experience that all classes  of a high-tech city 
> are showing negative attitude towards a particular category.
>
>'where there is smoke there is fire'  through my experience I can say 
> that in Bangalore it has been projected that blinds are beggars only This 
> projection has come in organized way.I do not know who is behind this but 
> people can change this attitude who are between us. I can understand that 
> the blinds of Bangalore may feel uncomfortable after reading this mail but 
> if this attitude will change then it will comfortable to all of us in long 
> run.
>
> Where there is the will there is the way.
>
> With hope
> Abhijit
> Hyderabad
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Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-16 Thread Syed Imran
I think here in Bangalore, people seem to have a notion that if one speaks 
in polished english, you are very much respected. I am telling you this 
because as a native of Bangalore, I have been observing these people. Any 
language that is spoken well, is in fact better than English, but 
ironically, in my opinion, they still consider english as somewhat 
"high-fi", therefore, if one speaks in english, it would make them less 
likely to call us "beggers" or "road-roamers", or any thing of that sourt. 
It is also possible that they might do this basically to anoy us, (I might 
lose my patience if it happens with me), in that case we can try applying 
the solutions given by Subramanya sir.
I whole-heartedly appreciate the love for your language you seem to be 
having. Yes, they ought to accept people "as they are". But let's not give 
up our hope, for we are still unite, still alive.
- Original Message - 
From: "mahendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore


> Hi why polished english only?
> any language well spoken, is as good as english.
> it is just not language, but how you say, matters as well.
> At 10:49 AM 10/16/2007, you wrote:
>>Hai:
>>
>>Living in Bangalore, I must tell you that I have never experienced this
>>even once; if I will face the problem in future, I know not.
>>
>>But, the most basic issue here is the perception of the blind as beggers
>>by the society. Yes, it hurts, but who suffers the damage depends on the
>>attitude. When someone refers to you as a begger, say in the case of the
>>autowala, I would have perhaps walked away without picking up the
>>change. It's costly and we can't do this very often, but if you get a
>>chance you can do at least once. After this  I am sure the other person
>>will be feeling bad, not you.
>>
>>Regarding the Lalbagh incident, when someone abuses you publicly, you
>>must tell him/her in no uncertain terms that you have come there to
>>spend a pleasant evening and they have spoilt it. Reminding them how
>>their own family member would have felt while hearing something like
>>this, you must walk out creating a big fuss, so that others notice and
>>you can spread the word. Make sure you talk in the most polished
>>English, reminding them that their perception is wrong.
>>
>>Subramani
>>-----Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ashwani
>>Jassal
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:24 PM
>>To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore
>>
>>very bad but these people come from lower community that is why they
>>don't
>>know the potential of blind people. A campaign has to be launched to
>>make
>>people aware of the qualities of blind people.
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: 
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
>>Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore
>>
>>
>> > Hello friends,
>> >Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I have
>>been
>> > to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
>> >
>> >Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced that
>>the
>> > common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I am
>>sharing
>> > just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our so
>>much
>> > achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
>> >1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place. we
>>just
>> > forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee note to
>>
>> > that auto person. he had the change but he abused us in these words in
>>
>> > local language."blinds always want free service they made for begging
>> > only" after long argument he gave us the change.
>> >
>> > 2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag. after
>>
>> > reaching there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?" In
>>return
>> > the ticket seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is not
>>allowed
>> > inside" then he abused with local language. We have taken action
>>according
>> > to the situation.
>> >
>> >As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I never
>>saw
>> > this kind

Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-16 Thread Balaraman
Very shocking indeed. But, I am not surprised at this. Most of the Karnataka 
guys only know their mother tongue. That itself speaks the volume of their 
thinking capabilities. Myself and my friends have experienced different 
kinds of such silly incidents from those who belong to that state. In my 
opinion, it is nothing but due to lack of education. This is my personal 
view only, and I humbly ask the members not to take this as an offence.
- Original Message - 
From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore


> Hello friends,
>Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I have been 
> to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
>
>Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced that the 
> common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I am sharing 
> just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our so much 
> achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
>1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place. we just 
> forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee note to 
> that auto person. he had the change but he abused us in these words in 
> local language."blinds always want free service they made for begging 
> only" after long argument he gave us the change.
>
> 2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag. after 
> reaching there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?" In return 
> the ticket seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is not allowed 
> inside" then he abused with local language. We have taken action according 
> to the situation.
>
>As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I never saw 
> this kind of aggressive and negative attitude any where ells. in northern 
> India we are known as Soor dass sometimes we have to fight with others but 
> this is the first time I experience that all classes  of a high-tech city 
> are showing negative attitude towards a particular category.
>
>'where there is smoke there is fire'  through my experience I can say 
> that in Bangalore it has been projected that blinds are beggars only This 
> projection has come in organized way.I do not know who is behind this but 
> people can change this attitude who are between us. I can understand that 
> the blinds of Bangalore may feel uncomfortable after reading this mail but 
> if this attitude will change then it will comfortable to all of us in long 
> run.
>
> Where there is the will there is the way.
>
> With hope
> Abhijit
> Hyderabad
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Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-16 Thread mahendra
Hi why polished english only?
any language well spoken, is as good as english.
it is just not language, but how you say, matters as well.
At 10:49 AM 10/16/2007, you wrote:
>Hai:
>
>Living in Bangalore, I must tell you that I have never experienced this
>even once; if I will face the problem in future, I know not.
>
>But, the most basic issue here is the perception of the blind as beggers
>by the society. Yes, it hurts, but who suffers the damage depends on the
>attitude. When someone refers to you as a begger, say in the case of the
>autowala, I would have perhaps walked away without picking up the
>change. It's costly and we can't do this very often, but if you get a
>chance you can do at least once. After this  I am sure the other person
>will be feeling bad, not you.
>
>Regarding the Lalbagh incident, when someone abuses you publicly, you
>must tell him/her in no uncertain terms that you have come there to
>spend a pleasant evening and they have spoilt it. Reminding them how
>their own family member would have felt while hearing something like
>this, you must walk out creating a big fuss, so that others notice and
>you can spread the word. Make sure you talk in the most polished
>English, reminding them that their perception is wrong.
>
>Subramani
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ashwani
>Jassal
>Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:24 PM
>To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore
>
>very bad but these people come from lower community that is why they
>don't
>know the potential of blind people. A campaign has to be launched to
>make
>people aware of the qualities of blind people.
>- Original Message -----
>From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
>Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore
>
>
> > Hello friends,
> >Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I have
>been
> > to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
> >
> >Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced that
>the
> > common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I am
>sharing
> > just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our so
>much
> > achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
> >1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place. we
>just
> > forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee note to
>
> > that auto person. he had the change but he abused us in these words in
>
> > local language."blinds always want free service they made for begging
> > only" after long argument he gave us the change.
> >
> > 2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag. after
>
> > reaching there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?" In
>return
> > the ticket seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is not
>allowed
> > inside" then he abused with local language. We have taken action
>according
> > to the situation.
> >
> >As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I never
>saw
> > this kind of aggressive and negative attitude any where ells. in
>northern
> > India we are known as Soor dass sometimes we have to fight with others
>but
> > this is the first time I experience that all classes  of a high-tech
>city
> > are showing negative attitude towards a particular category.
> >
> >'where there is smoke there is fire'  through my experience I can
>say
> > that in Bangalore it has been projected that blinds are beggars only
>This
> > projection has come in organized way.I do not know who is behind this
>but
> > people can change this attitude who are between us. I can understand
>that
> > the blinds of Bangalore may feel uncomfortable after reading this mail
>but
> > if this attitude will change then it will comfortable to all of us in
>long
> > run.
> >
> > Where there is the will there is the way.
> >
> > With hope
> > Abhijit
> > Hyderabad
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Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-16 Thread Fayaz Pasha
Hi,

Being a part of both the incidents that Abhijit has mentioned in his mail, I
can term them unfortunate. Having spent all my years in this city I can
safely conclude that generally attitude towards the visually impaired is
reasonable.

The 2 instances only highlight the lack of awareness amongst public
particularly in those people who does not have access to modern ways of the
visually impaired and those who have had bad experiences with blind people.
This is true because 1 as Subramani mentioned the perception towards the
blind and 2 due to some individuals and groups of individuals who have
projected blind in such a way.

What is required is a constant effort on the part of individuals and
organizations working for the blind to work to enlighten the people to
change such attitudes.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Subramani L
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:20 PM
To: Ashwani Jassal; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

Hai:

Living in Bangalore, I must tell you that I have never experienced this even
once; if I will face the problem in future, I know not. 

But, the most basic issue here is the perception of the blind as beggers by
the society. Yes, it hurts, but who suffers the damage depends on the
attitude. When someone refers to you as a begger, say in the case of the
autowala, I would have perhaps walked away without picking up the change.
It's costly and we can't do this very often, but if you get a chance you can
do at least once. After this  I am sure the other person will be feeling
bad, not you. 

Regarding the Lalbagh incident, when someone abuses you publicly, you must
tell him/her in no uncertain terms that you have come there to spend a
pleasant evening and they have spoilt it. Reminding them how their own
family member would have felt while hearing something like this, you must
walk out creating a big fuss, so that others notice and you can spread the
word. Make sure you talk in the most polished English, reminding them that
their perception is wrong.

Subramani
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ashwani Jassal
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:24 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

very bad but these people come from lower community that is why they don't
know the potential of blind people. A campaign has to be launched to make
people aware of the qualities of blind people.
- Original Message -
From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore


> Hello friends,
>Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I have
been 
> to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
>
>Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced that
the 
> common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I am
sharing 
> just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our so
much 
> achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
>1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place. we
just 
> forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee note to

> that auto person. he had the change but he abused us in these words in

> local language."blinds always want free service they made for begging 
> only" after long argument he gave us the change.
>
> 2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag. after

> reaching there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?" In
return 
> the ticket seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is not
allowed 
> inside" then he abused with local language. We have taken action
according 
> to the situation.
>
>As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I never
saw 
> this kind of aggressive and negative attitude any where ells. in
northern 
> India we are known as Soor dass sometimes we have to fight with others
but 
> this is the first time I experience that all classes  of a high-tech
city 
> are showing negative attitude towards a particular category.
>
>'where there is smoke there is fire'  through my experience I can
say 
> that in Bangalore it has been projected that blinds are beggars only
This 
> projection has come in organized way.I do not know who is behind this
but 
> people can change this attitude who are between us. I can understand
that 
> the blinds of Bangalore may feel uncomfortable after reading this mail
but 
> if this attitude will change then it will comfortable to all of us in
long 
> run.
>
> Where there is the will there is the way.
>
> With hope
> Abhijit
> H

Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-16 Thread Subramani L
Hai:

Living in Bangalore, I must tell you that I have never experienced this
even once; if I will face the problem in future, I know not. 

But, the most basic issue here is the perception of the blind as beggers
by the society. Yes, it hurts, but who suffers the damage depends on the
attitude. When someone refers to you as a begger, say in the case of the
autowala, I would have perhaps walked away without picking up the
change. It's costly and we can't do this very often, but if you get a
chance you can do at least once. After this  I am sure the other person
will be feeling bad, not you. 

Regarding the Lalbagh incident, when someone abuses you publicly, you
must tell him/her in no uncertain terms that you have come there to
spend a pleasant evening and they have spoilt it. Reminding them how
their own family member would have felt while hearing something like
this, you must walk out creating a big fuss, so that others notice and
you can spread the word. Make sure you talk in the most polished
English, reminding them that their perception is wrong.

Subramani
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ashwani
Jassal
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:24 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

very bad but these people come from lower community that is why they
don't 
know the potential of blind people. A campaign has to be launched to
make 
people aware of the qualities of blind people.
- Original Message - 
From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore


> Hello friends,
>Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I have
been 
> to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
>
>Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced that
the 
> common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I am
sharing 
> just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our so
much 
> achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
>1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place. we
just 
> forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee note to

> that auto person. he had the change but he abused us in these words in

> local language."blinds always want free service they made for begging 
> only" after long argument he gave us the change.
>
> 2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag. after

> reaching there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?" In
return 
> the ticket seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is not
allowed 
> inside" then he abused with local language. We have taken action
according 
> to the situation.
>
>As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I never
saw 
> this kind of aggressive and negative attitude any where ells. in
northern 
> India we are known as Soor dass sometimes we have to fight with others
but 
> this is the first time I experience that all classes  of a high-tech
city 
> are showing negative attitude towards a particular category.
>
>'where there is smoke there is fire'  through my experience I can
say 
> that in Bangalore it has been projected that blinds are beggars only
This 
> projection has come in organized way.I do not know who is behind this
but 
> people can change this attitude who are between us. I can understand
that 
> the blinds of Bangalore may feel uncomfortable after reading this mail
but 
> if this attitude will change then it will comfortable to all of us in
long 
> run.
>
> Where there is the will there is the way.
>
> With hope
> Abhijit
> Hyderabad
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Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-16 Thread Abhijit Joshi
Hello Ashwani,
I all ready shareed 2 examples this is the attitude of all classes of 
that city. even in higher and middle class also
Abhijit
Hyderabad
- Original Message - 
From: "Ashwani Jassal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore


> very bad but these people come from lower community that is why they don't
> know the potential of blind people. A campaign has to be launched to make
> people aware of the qualities of blind people.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
> Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore
>
>
>> Hello friends,
>>Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I have 
>> been
>> to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
>>
>>Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced that the
>> common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I am sharing
>> just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our so much
>> achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
>>1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place. we just
>> forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee note to
>> that auto person. he had the change but he abused us in these words in
>> local language."blinds always want free service they made for begging
>> only" after long argument he gave us the change.
>>
>> 2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag. after
>> reaching there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?" In 
>> return
>> the ticket seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is not 
>> allowed
>> inside" then he abused with local language. We have taken action 
>> according
>> to the situation.
>>
>>As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I never saw
>> this kind of aggressive and negative attitude any where ells. in northern
>> India we are known as Soor dass sometimes we have to fight with others 
>> but
>> this is the first time I experience that all classes  of a high-tech city
>> are showing negative attitude towards a particular category.
>>
>>'where there is smoke there is fire'  through my experience I can say
>> that in Bangalore it has been projected that blinds are beggars only This
>> projection has come in organized way.I do not know who is behind this but
>> people can change this attitude who are between us. I can understand that
>> the blinds of Bangalore may feel uncomfortable after reading this mail 
>> but
>> if this attitude will change then it will comfortable to all of us in 
>> long
>> run.
>>
>> Where there is the will there is the way.
>>
>> With hope
>> Abhijit
>> Hyderabad
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Re: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-16 Thread Ashwani Jassal
very bad but these people come from lower community that is why they don't 
know the potential of blind people. A campaign has to be launched to make 
people aware of the qualities of blind people.
- Original Message - 
From: "Abhijit Joshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:13 PM
Subject: [AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore


> Hello friends,
>Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I have been 
> to Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him.
>
>Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced that the 
> common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I am sharing 
> just 2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our so much 
> achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society.
>1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place. we just 
> forgot to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee note to 
> that auto person. he had the change but he abused us in these words in 
> local language."blinds always want free service they made for begging 
> only" after long argument he gave us the change.
>
> 2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag. after 
> reaching there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?" In return 
> the ticket seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is not allowed 
> inside" then he abused with local language. We have taken action according 
> to the situation.
>
>As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I never saw 
> this kind of aggressive and negative attitude any where ells. in northern 
> India we are known as Soor dass sometimes we have to fight with others but 
> this is the first time I experience that all classes  of a high-tech city 
> are showing negative attitude towards a particular category.
>
>'where there is smoke there is fire'  through my experience I can say 
> that in Bangalore it has been projected that blinds are beggars only This 
> projection has come in organized way.I do not know who is behind this but 
> people can change this attitude who are between us. I can understand that 
> the blinds of Bangalore may feel uncomfortable after reading this mail but 
> if this attitude will change then it will comfortable to all of us in long 
> run.
>
> Where there is the will there is the way.
>
> With hope
> Abhijit
> Hyderabad
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[AI] an interesting but shokking observation about Benglore

2007-10-16 Thread Abhijit Joshi
Hello friends,
Last weekend I spent with our 1 of the members Fayez pasha. I have been to 
Bangalore to celebrate Ied with him. 

Bangalore is known as high-tech city in India. I experienced that the 
common people are showing  negative attitude towards blinds. I am sharing just 
2 examples for you here to show that though we can list our so much 
achievements but still we have shown the mirror by society. 
1. Just Fayaz and I board in an auto and gone to some place. we just forgot 
to take change so after getting down I gave a 100 rupee note to that auto 
person. he had the change but he abused us in these words in local 
language."blinds always want free service they made for begging only" after 
long argument he gave us the change.

2. on the next day We have been to a local park called Lal baag. after reaching 
there just we asked in the counter "where is the gate?" In return the ticket 
seller told the road adding this fraise "begging is not allowed inside" then he 
abused with local language. We have taken action according to the situation.  

As a regular traveler I am moving here and there in India. I never saw this 
kind of aggressive and negative attitude any where ells. in northern India we 
are known as Soor dass sometimes we have to fight with others but this is the 
first time I experience that all classes  of a high-tech city are showing 
negative attitude towards a particular category.

'where there is smoke there is fire'  through my experience I can say that 
in Bangalore it has been projected that blinds are beggars only This projection 
has come in organized way.I do not know who is behind this but people can 
change this attitude who are between us. I can understand that the blinds of 
Bangalore may feel uncomfortable after reading this mail but if this attitude 
will change then it will comfortable to all of us in long run.

Where there is the will there is the way.

With hope
Abhijit
Hyderabad
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