Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment
Dear Friends, How you eat dosa by using spoon? spoon is just choice if you comfortable without spoon that is not wrong. You don’t imagine about your self what others think about you while eating. On 9/20/13, bhawani shankar verma wrote: > what about the multiple disability, with blindness and locomotive disorder > on hands? > > - Original Message - > From: "Pranav Lal" > To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerningthe disabled.'" > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 5:50 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment > > >> Hi all, >> >> You need to eat using cutlery when at conferences and at other business >> related events so get used to it. Remember, mealtime is for networking >> and >> you will need to answer your phone so soiling your hands is not an >> option. >> >> I continue to wonder why they insist on serving food with gravy at >> conferences. > Pranav >> >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of >> >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its >> veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails >> >> sent through this mailing list.. > > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > -- Regards Thanking you zameerpash...@gmail.com dheel...@gmail.com 9036482329 Reality of life: Everyone is good to you till you expect nothing from them and you are too good to them only till you fulfill their expectations. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment
what about the multiple disability, with blindness and locomotive disorder on hands? - Original Message - From: "Pranav Lal" To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled.'" Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment Hi all, You need to eat using cutlery when at conferences and at other business related events so get used to it. Remember, mealtime is for networking and you will need to answer your phone so soiling your hands is not an option. I continue to wonder why they insist on serving food with gravy at conferences. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment
Hi all, You need to eat using cutlery when at conferences and at other business related events so get used to it. Remember, mealtime is for networking and you will need to answer your phone so soiling your hands is not an option. I continue to wonder why they insist on serving food with gravy at conferences. http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment
eating with their hands > and that Westerners didn’t want to see it, either. > > Today, the writer Amitav Ghosh says he doesn’t go to Indian > restaurants in London and New York because eating with hands is > discouraged. “They regard this essential aspect of the cuisine with a > kind of embarrassment,” he said. > > In the United States, most run-of-the-mill restaurants, with the > exception of Ethiopian spots, do not forbid the practice, but do not > encourage it, either. > > One Manhattan restaurant that does encourage it is Tulsi, Hemant > Mathur’s upscale Indian outpost in Midtown. Upon delivering dishes > like goat curry with roti or stewed chickpeas with puffy bread, > servers tell patrons they are best eaten with the hands. > > At the New York restaurants Fatty Crab and Fatty ’Cue, the chef, > Zakary Pelaccio, provides silverware but hopes that the nature of his > signature dishes, like chili crab and barbecue, will inspire diners to > use their hands. Convinced that the sense of touch is integral to good > eating, he eats just about everything except soup with his hands. He > even named his new cookbook after the practice: “Eat With Your Hands,” > to be released in April. “I eat with my hands today, and not just > because it would be a serious shame to let utensils slow me down,” Mr. > Pelaccio writes. “It has become a sort of philosophy of mine — a > metaphor for life.” > > In Los Angeles, Bistronomics, a long-running pop-up restaurant inside > Breadbar, presented a no-utensils menu last spring. The $65 prix fixe, > created by the chefs Jet Tila and Alex Ageneau, included dishes like > salt cod croquettes with zucchini purée and grilled lamb chops with > carrot confit. The chefs plan another dinner like it this spring. > > “It creates more of a social atmosphere,” said Mr. Tila, who grew up > in Hollywood. “It brings us back to our childhood, and it seems to > lighten the mood in the room.” > > A glimmer of this idea has even made it to the White House. When the > New York chef Marcus Samuelsson prepared the state dinner for India’s > prime minister in 2009, he included a bread course (unusual at such > events) of naan and corn bread with dips. “What could be better than > for people who don’t know each other, from all over the world, to > break bread together?” he said. > > In fact, Mr. Samuelsson expects that as American fine dining evolves, > flatware may become more and more optional. “I think there will be a > four-star restaurant where knives and forks are used, but not for > every course,” he said. “ ‘Great’ does not have to mean one narrative, > the European narrative.” > > > On 9/19/13, Nikita Vaid wrote: >> One thing I forgot to mention earlier, incase of the problem of mixing >> kari or dal with rice. I usually tell the person who ever is serving me >> to put the kari, gravy on the rice instead of putting the same in a >> separate bowl that ways it becomes easy to spread the cury with the rice >> >> Thanks and warm Regards, >> Nikita V. Raut, >> Senior Manager [HR] >> Baroda Corporate Center, Bank of Baroda, >> C- 26, G - block, Bandra Kurla Complex, >> Bandra [E], Mumbai- 400051. >> deskphone: +91-22-66985557. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Ajay Minocha >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:48 PM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerningthe disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual >> impairment >> >> hello, >> I too follow what nikita mam said. >> @ raajoo!!! bro you can't be terrible than I was at a point of time. >> practice makes a man perfect. >> now, I go to all the parties here and have not faced any issues so far. >> regards >> >> On 9/19/13, Nikita Vaid wrote: >>> Raju ji, just my opinion, why should there be a special plate for you >> at >>> home? I agree eating with hands is desireable for the Indian food >> that's >>> ok but why a special kind of plate?? >>> I feel lets move out of our comfort zones and try out variety even in >>> our daily living. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks and warm Regards, >>> Nikita V. Raut, >>> Senior Manager [HR] >>> Baroda Corporate Center, Bank of Baroda, >>> C- 26, G - block, Bandra Kurla Complex, >>> Bandra [E], Mumbai- 400051. >>> deskphone: +91-22-66985557. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On &
Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment
nature of his signature dishes, like chili crab and barbecue, will inspire diners to use their hands. Convinced that the sense of touch is integral to good eating, he eats just about everything except soup with his hands. He even named his new cookbook after the practice: “Eat With Your Hands,” to be released in April. “I eat with my hands today, and not just because it would be a serious shame to let utensils slow me down,” Mr. Pelaccio writes. “It has become a sort of philosophy of mine — a metaphor for life.” In Los Angeles, Bistronomics, a long-running pop-up restaurant inside Breadbar, presented a no-utensils menu last spring. The $65 prix fixe, created by the chefs Jet Tila and Alex Ageneau, included dishes like salt cod croquettes with zucchini purée and grilled lamb chops with carrot confit. The chefs plan another dinner like it this spring. “It creates more of a social atmosphere,” said Mr. Tila, who grew up in Hollywood. “It brings us back to our childhood, and it seems to lighten the mood in the room.” A glimmer of this idea has even made it to the White House. When the New York chef Marcus Samuelsson prepared the state dinner for India’s prime minister in 2009, he included a bread course (unusual at such events) of naan and corn bread with dips. “What could be better than for people who don’t know each other, from all over the world, to break bread together?” he said. In fact, Mr. Samuelsson expects that as American fine dining evolves, flatware may become more and more optional. “I think there will be a four-star restaurant where knives and forks are used, but not for every course,” he said. “ ‘Great’ does not have to mean one narrative, the European narrative.” On 9/19/13, Nikita Vaid wrote: > One thing I forgot to mention earlier, incase of the problem of mixing > kari or dal with rice. I usually tell the person who ever is serving me > to put the kari, gravy on the rice instead of putting the same in a > separate bowl that ways it becomes easy to spread the cury with the rice > > Thanks and warm Regards, > Nikita V. Raut, > Senior Manager [HR] > Baroda Corporate Center, Bank of Baroda, > C- 26, G - block, Bandra Kurla Complex, > Bandra [E], Mumbai- 400051. > deskphone: +91-22-66985557. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of Ajay Minocha > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:48 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerningthe disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual > impairment > > hello, > I too follow what nikita mam said. > @ raajoo!!! bro you can't be terrible than I was at a point of time. > practice makes a man perfect. > now, I go to all the parties here and have not faced any issues so far. > regards > > On 9/19/13, Nikita Vaid wrote: >> Raju ji, just my opinion, why should there be a special plate for you > at >> home? I agree eating with hands is desireable for the Indian food > that's >> ok but why a special kind of plate?? >> I feel lets move out of our comfort zones and try out variety even in >> our daily living. >> >> >> >> Thanks and warm Regards, >> Nikita V. Raut, >> Senior Manager [HR] >> Baroda Corporate Center, Bank of Baroda, >> C- 26, G - block, Bandra Kurla Complex, >> Bandra [E], Mumbai- 400051. >> deskphone: +91-22-66985557. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of raju singh >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:29 PM >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and >> issuesconcerningthe disabled.' >> Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual >> impairment >> >> Truly agreed. In roti sabji thing, I even doing the same as nikita mam >> has >> stated. But one thing I would like to mention about my problem is > that, >> yes >> in our house, there is a special plate for me which I use every day to >> have >> my food. I also feel very comfortable using my hand to have my regular >> food. >> Even when I go to my relatives, or my friends house, they know my >> problem, >> and serve me whatever I want. In hotel, there will not be any problem >> for >> me since I even use my hand to have. and But you know, whenever we >> attain >> some anivercery, I have to have food with spoon in a very flat > surfaces >> glass plate. That time it will really be very cumbersom for me! >> >> if this threat contain the material which actually violating the >> guideline >> of this mailing list, moderator or any person or person
Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment
One thing I forgot to mention earlier, incase of the problem of mixing kari or dal with rice. I usually tell the person who ever is serving me to put the kari, gravy on the rice instead of putting the same in a separate bowl that ways it becomes easy to spread the cury with the rice Thanks and warm Regards, Nikita V. Raut, Senior Manager [HR] Baroda Corporate Center, Bank of Baroda, C- 26, G - block, Bandra Kurla Complex, Bandra [E], Mumbai- 400051. deskphone: +91-22-66985557. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ajay Minocha Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:48 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment hello, I too follow what nikita mam said. @ raajoo!!! bro you can't be terrible than I was at a point of time. practice makes a man perfect. now, I go to all the parties here and have not faced any issues so far. regards On 9/19/13, Nikita Vaid wrote: > Raju ji, just my opinion, why should there be a special plate for you at > home? I agree eating with hands is desireable for the Indian food that's > ok but why a special kind of plate?? > I feel lets move out of our comfort zones and try out variety even in > our daily living. > > > > Thanks and warm Regards, > Nikita V. Raut, > Senior Manager [HR] > Baroda Corporate Center, Bank of Baroda, > C- 26, G - block, Bandra Kurla Complex, > Bandra [E], Mumbai- 400051. > deskphone: +91-22-66985557. > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of raju singh > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:29 PM > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and > issuesconcerningthe disabled.' > Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual > impairment > > Truly agreed. In roti sabji thing, I even doing the same as nikita mam > has > stated. But one thing I would like to mention about my problem is that, > yes > in our house, there is a special plate for me which I use every day to > have > my food. I also feel very comfortable using my hand to have my regular > food. > Even when I go to my relatives, or my friends house, they know my > problem, > and serve me whatever I want. In hotel, there will not be any problem > for > me since I even use my hand to have. and But you know, whenever we > attain > some anivercery, I have to have food with spoon in a very flat surfaces > glass plate. That time it will really be very cumbersom for me! > > if this threat contain the material which actually violating the > guideline > of this mailing list, moderator or any person or persons who is in the > moderator status have the full right to close or remove this threat > emmediately without any notice. moreover, instead of doing > unparliamentry > things such as band the person from there particular mailing list who > has > responded this mail, moderator has the full right to moderate, or even > band > raju singh from there mailing list! > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf > Of Harish Kapoor > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:03 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerningthe disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual > impairment > > Good Nikita ji, I too follow same. > > On 9/19/13, Nikita Vaid wrote: >> Dear All. I have just been following this discussion and it is quite >> interesting. >> Just 1 tip I would like to share here: >> Frankly speaking I am not at all comfortable eating rice etc with my >> hands I only prefer spoon for that. I understand that some times >> especially in the plates bowls having broader edges, it becomes a > little >> difficult to manage but I take care of this by holding my spoon in 1 >> hand and try to gather the food around the center of the plate.. also >> with the tip of the finger of the other hand try to touch the edge of >> the plate to find if the food is not coming out at the edge etc. > please >> do not miss to cary a tissue in your other hand so that as soon as you >> dirty the tip of your finger you could immediately wipe it. Some times >> it is not even necessary especially in the parties or social gathering >> that you have to finish each and every partical of the rice ect you > may >> leave some in the plate and if some 1 askes you then you could tell > them >> that you are full with the food. There is no reason what so ever to >> avoid any kind of food
Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment
hello, I too follow what nikita mam said. @ raajoo!!! bro you can't be terrible than I was at a point of time. practice makes a man perfect. now, I go to all the parties here and have not faced any issues so far. regards On 9/19/13, Nikita Vaid wrote: > Raju ji, just my opinion, why should there be a special plate for you at > home? I agree eating with hands is desireable for the Indian food that's > ok but why a special kind of plate?? > I feel lets move out of our comfort zones and try out variety even in > our daily living. > > > > Thanks and warm Regards, > Nikita V. Raut, > Senior Manager [HR] > Baroda Corporate Center, Bank of Baroda, > C- 26, G - block, Bandra Kurla Complex, > Bandra [E], Mumbai- 400051. > deskphone: +91-22-66985557. > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of raju singh > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:29 PM > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and > issuesconcerningthe disabled.' > Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual > impairment > > Truly agreed. In roti sabji thing, I even doing the same as nikita mam > has > stated. But one thing I would like to mention about my problem is that, > yes > in our house, there is a special plate for me which I use every day to > have > my food. I also feel very comfortable using my hand to have my regular > food. > Even when I go to my relatives, or my friends house, they know my > problem, > and serve me whatever I want. In hotel, there will not be any problem > for > me since I even use my hand to have. and But you know, whenever we > attain > some anivercery, I have to have food with spoon in a very flat surfaces > glass plate. That time it will really be very cumbersom for me! > > if this threat contain the material which actually violating the > guideline > of this mailing list, moderator or any person or persons who is in the > moderator status have the full right to close or remove this threat > emmediately without any notice. moreover, instead of doing > unparliamentry > things such as band the person from there particular mailing list who > has > responded this mail, moderator has the full right to moderate, or even > band > raju singh from there mailing list! > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf > Of Harish Kapoor > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:03 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerningthe disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual > impairment > > Good Nikita ji, I too follow same. > > On 9/19/13, Nikita Vaid wrote: >> Dear All. I have just been following this discussion and it is quite >> interesting. >> Just 1 tip I would like to share here: >> Frankly speaking I am not at all comfortable eating rice etc with my >> hands I only prefer spoon for that. I understand that some times >> especially in the plates bowls having broader edges, it becomes a > little >> difficult to manage but I take care of this by holding my spoon in 1 >> hand and try to gather the food around the center of the plate.. also >> with the tip of the finger of the other hand try to touch the edge of >> the plate to find if the food is not coming out at the edge etc. > please >> do not miss to cary a tissue in your other hand so that as soon as you >> dirty the tip of your finger you could immediately wipe it. Some times >> it is not even necessary especially in the parties or social gathering >> that you have to finish each and every partical of the rice ect you > may >> leave some in the plate and if some 1 askes you then you could tell > them >> that you are full with the food. There is no reason what so ever to >> avoid any kind of food or even all together going to the parti because >> you are not able to eat comfortably with the spoon or folk. With > regards >> to pizza dosa etc there is no harm in eating the same with your hand > as >> so many sighted people are also not comfortable eating the same with >> knife and folks. As long as you keep on wiping your hands it is >> perfectly ok to eat with your hands also >> >> For me if I eat outside even dishes like pao bhaji or roti sabji I > make >> it a point to eat the sabji / bhaji with the spoon while rolling the >> roti or holding a portion of the pao in my other hand and then eating >> the same with it this ways I don't dirty my fingers also. >> >> Just some of my ideas which sute me, hope t
Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment
Raju ji, just my opinion, why should there be a special plate for you at home? I agree eating with hands is desireable for the Indian food that's ok but why a special kind of plate?? I feel lets move out of our comfort zones and try out variety even in our daily living. Thanks and warm Regards, Nikita V. Raut, Senior Manager [HR] Baroda Corporate Center, Bank of Baroda, C- 26, G - block, Bandra Kurla Complex, Bandra [E], Mumbai- 400051. deskphone: +91-22-66985557. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of raju singh Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:29 PM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerningthe disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment Truly agreed. In roti sabji thing, I even doing the same as nikita mam has stated. But one thing I would like to mention about my problem is that, yes in our house, there is a special plate for me which I use every day to have my food. I also feel very comfortable using my hand to have my regular food. Even when I go to my relatives, or my friends house, they know my problem, and serve me whatever I want. In hotel, there will not be any problem for me since I even use my hand to have. and But you know, whenever we attain some anivercery, I have to have food with spoon in a very flat surfaces glass plate. That time it will really be very cumbersom for me! if this threat contain the material which actually violating the guideline of this mailing list, moderator or any person or persons who is in the moderator status have the full right to close or remove this threat emmediately without any notice. moreover, instead of doing unparliamentry things such as band the person from there particular mailing list who has responded this mail, moderator has the full right to moderate, or even band raju singh from there mailing list! -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Harish Kapoor Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:03 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment Good Nikita ji, I too follow same. On 9/19/13, Nikita Vaid wrote: > Dear All. I have just been following this discussion and it is quite > interesting. > Just 1 tip I would like to share here: > Frankly speaking I am not at all comfortable eating rice etc with my > hands I only prefer spoon for that. I understand that some times > especially in the plates bowls having broader edges, it becomes a little > difficult to manage but I take care of this by holding my spoon in 1 > hand and try to gather the food around the center of the plate.. also > with the tip of the finger of the other hand try to touch the edge of > the plate to find if the food is not coming out at the edge etc. please > do not miss to cary a tissue in your other hand so that as soon as you > dirty the tip of your finger you could immediately wipe it. Some times > it is not even necessary especially in the parties or social gathering > that you have to finish each and every partical of the rice ect you may > leave some in the plate and if some 1 askes you then you could tell them > that you are full with the food. There is no reason what so ever to > avoid any kind of food or even all together going to the parti because > you are not able to eat comfortably with the spoon or folk. With regards > to pizza dosa etc there is no harm in eating the same with your hand as > so many sighted people are also not comfortable eating the same with > knife and folks. As long as you keep on wiping your hands it is > perfectly ok to eat with your hands also > > For me if I eat outside even dishes like pao bhaji or roti sabji I make > it a point to eat the sabji / bhaji with the spoon while rolling the > roti or holding a portion of the pao in my other hand and then eating > the same with it this ways I don't dirty my fingers also. > > Just some of my ideas which sute me, hope this may help some of you. > Thanks and warm Regards, > Nikita V. Raut, > Senior Manager [HR] > Baroda Corporate Center, Bank of Baroda, > C- 26, G - block, Bandra Kurla Complex, > Bandra [E], Mumbai- 400051. > deskphone: +91-22-66985557. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of muruganandan.k > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 5:30 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerningthe disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual > impairment > > hello, > the Spoon-Menace, as I prefer to term it for a long time, has been one > of the unresolved prob
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Truly agreed. In roti sabji thing, I even doing the same as nikita mam has stated. But one thing I would like to mention about my problem is that, yes in our house, there is a special plate for me which I use every day to have my food. I also feel very comfortable using my hand to have my regular food. Even when I go to my relatives, or my friends house, they know my problem, and serve me whatever I want. In hotel, there will not be any problem for me since I even use my hand to have. and But you know, whenever we attain some anivercery, I have to have food with spoon in a very flat surfaces glass plate. That time it will really be very cumbersom for me! if this threat contain the material which actually violating the guideline of this mailing list, moderator or any person or persons who is in the moderator status have the full right to close or remove this threat emmediately without any notice. moreover, instead of doing unparliamentry things such as band the person from there particular mailing list who has responded this mail, moderator has the full right to moderate, or even band raju singh from there mailing list! -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Harish Kapoor Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:03 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment Good Nikita ji, I too follow same. On 9/19/13, Nikita Vaid wrote: > Dear All. I have just been following this discussion and it is quite > interesting. > Just 1 tip I would like to share here: > Frankly speaking I am not at all comfortable eating rice etc with my > hands I only prefer spoon for that. I understand that some times > especially in the plates bowls having broader edges, it becomes a little > difficult to manage but I take care of this by holding my spoon in 1 > hand and try to gather the food around the center of the plate.. also > with the tip of the finger of the other hand try to touch the edge of > the plate to find if the food is not coming out at the edge etc. please > do not miss to cary a tissue in your other hand so that as soon as you > dirty the tip of your finger you could immediately wipe it. Some times > it is not even necessary especially in the parties or social gathering > that you have to finish each and every partical of the rice ect you may > leave some in the plate and if some 1 askes you then you could tell them > that you are full with the food. There is no reason what so ever to > avoid any kind of food or even all together going to the parti because > you are not able to eat comfortably with the spoon or folk. With regards > to pizza dosa etc there is no harm in eating the same with your hand as > so many sighted people are also not comfortable eating the same with > knife and folks. As long as you keep on wiping your hands it is > perfectly ok to eat with your hands also > > For me if I eat outside even dishes like pao bhaji or roti sabji I make > it a point to eat the sabji / bhaji with the spoon while rolling the > roti or holding a portion of the pao in my other hand and then eating > the same with it this ways I don't dirty my fingers also. > > Just some of my ideas which sute me, hope this may help some of you. > Thanks and warm Regards, > Nikita V. Raut, > Senior Manager [HR] > Baroda Corporate Center, Bank of Baroda, > C- 26, G - block, Bandra Kurla Complex, > Bandra [E], Mumbai- 400051. > deskphone: +91-22-66985557. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of muruganandan.k > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 5:30 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerningthe disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual > impairment > > hello, > the Spoon-Menace, as I prefer to term it for a long time, has been one > of the unresolved problems in my daily life... I have even stopped > going to certain parties or eating certain dishes due to this... that > doesn't matter anyway, but it matters a lot when compelled to eat and > there's no other option but to use the pork/spoon! the ice-creems in > broad cups always frighten me for the trouble of "successfully > finishing the eating-operation"! "Spoon is the enemy of the BLIND", my > visually impaired teacher would often remark! it seems perfectly > right, at least in my own experience. but, how to tackle this enemy? > because, we can't just get rid of the spoons/porks... > when I find the blind man in Carver's short story "Cathedral" so > astonishingly using the spoon, I use to envy him! all our people can >
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Good Nikita ji, I too follow same. On 9/19/13, Nikita Vaid wrote: > Dear All. I have just been following this discussion and it is quite > interesting. > Just 1 tip I would like to share here: > Frankly speaking I am not at all comfortable eating rice etc with my > hands I only prefer spoon for that. I understand that some times > especially in the plates bowls having broader edges, it becomes a little > difficult to manage but I take care of this by holding my spoon in 1 > hand and try to gather the food around the center of the plate.. also > with the tip of the finger of the other hand try to touch the edge of > the plate to find if the food is not coming out at the edge etc. please > do not miss to cary a tissue in your other hand so that as soon as you > dirty the tip of your finger you could immediately wipe it. Some times > it is not even necessary especially in the parties or social gathering > that you have to finish each and every partical of the rice ect you may > leave some in the plate and if some 1 askes you then you could tell them > that you are full with the food. There is no reason what so ever to > avoid any kind of food or even all together going to the parti because > you are not able to eat comfortably with the spoon or folk. With regards > to pizza dosa etc there is no harm in eating the same with your hand as > so many sighted people are also not comfortable eating the same with > knife and folks. As long as you keep on wiping your hands it is > perfectly ok to eat with your hands also > > For me if I eat outside even dishes like pao bhaji or roti sabji I make > it a point to eat the sabji / bhaji with the spoon while rolling the > roti or holding a portion of the pao in my other hand and then eating > the same with it this ways I don't dirty my fingers also. > > Just some of my ideas which sute me, hope this may help some of you. > Thanks and warm Regards, > Nikita V. Raut, > Senior Manager [HR] > Baroda Corporate Center, Bank of Baroda, > C- 26, G - block, Bandra Kurla Complex, > Bandra [E], Mumbai- 400051. > deskphone: +91-22-66985557. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf Of muruganandan.k > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 5:30 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerningthe disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual > impairment > > hello, > the Spoon-Menace, as I prefer to term it for a long time, has been one > of the unresolved problems in my daily life... I have even stopped > going to certain parties or eating certain dishes due to this... that > doesn't matter anyway, but it matters a lot when compelled to eat and > there's no other option but to use the pork/spoon! the ice-creems in > broad cups always frighten me for the trouble of "successfully > finishing the eating-operation"! "Spoon is the enemy of the BLIND", my > visually impaired teacher would often remark! it seems perfectly > right, at least in my own experience. but, how to tackle this enemy? > because, we can't just get rid of the spoons/porks... > when I find the blind man in Carver's short story "Cathedral" so > astonishingly using the spoon, I use to envy him! all our people can > please read this story (if you haven't) for so many reasons! > > http://nbu.bg/webs/amb/american/6/carver/cathedral.htm > > I also request our community to seriously deliberate upon tackling > this pork and spoon challenge! > > thank u... > > On 9/16/13, sharad tripathi wrote: >> Hello friends, >> I would like to attract all of you's attention to very important issue >> that is our problem in dealing with folk and spoons as well struggling >> with nonveg. dishes. although any how it does nbot bother us as we are >> managing it from long. this becomes a issue for other's respect when >> lunch is in honour of somebody or official meeting or lunch with MD of >> the company. In that case expectations increases for lowvision. >> fellows along with us expect us to not create any disorder while lunch >> oncentral table of company.If any mistake while or whole of your >> fingers in the food does seems embarrassing. >> therefore my major concern is is kindly provide tips so that lunch in >> hard protocol does not go with empty stomach and noises of utensils. >> >> regards, >> sharad tripathi >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing > accessibility of >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_ac
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Dear All. I have just been following this discussion and it is quite interesting. Just 1 tip I would like to share here: Frankly speaking I am not at all comfortable eating rice etc with my hands I only prefer spoon for that. I understand that some times especially in the plates bowls having broader edges, it becomes a little difficult to manage but I take care of this by holding my spoon in 1 hand and try to gather the food around the center of the plate.. also with the tip of the finger of the other hand try to touch the edge of the plate to find if the food is not coming out at the edge etc. please do not miss to cary a tissue in your other hand so that as soon as you dirty the tip of your finger you could immediately wipe it. Some times it is not even necessary especially in the parties or social gathering that you have to finish each and every partical of the rice ect you may leave some in the plate and if some 1 askes you then you could tell them that you are full with the food. There is no reason what so ever to avoid any kind of food or even all together going to the parti because you are not able to eat comfortably with the spoon or folk. With regards to pizza dosa etc there is no harm in eating the same with your hand as so many sighted people are also not comfortable eating the same with knife and folks. As long as you keep on wiping your hands it is perfectly ok to eat with your hands also For me if I eat outside even dishes like pao bhaji or roti sabji I make it a point to eat the sabji / bhaji with the spoon while rolling the roti or holding a portion of the pao in my other hand and then eating the same with it this ways I don't dirty my fingers also. Just some of my ideas which sute me, hope this may help some of you. Thanks and warm Regards, Nikita V. Raut, Senior Manager [HR] Baroda Corporate Center, Bank of Baroda, C- 26, G - block, Bandra Kurla Complex, Bandra [E], Mumbai- 400051. deskphone: +91-22-66985557. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of muruganandan.k Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 5:30 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment hello, the Spoon-Menace, as I prefer to term it for a long time, has been one of the unresolved problems in my daily life... I have even stopped going to certain parties or eating certain dishes due to this... that doesn't matter anyway, but it matters a lot when compelled to eat and there's no other option but to use the pork/spoon! the ice-creems in broad cups always frighten me for the trouble of "successfully finishing the eating-operation"! "Spoon is the enemy of the BLIND", my visually impaired teacher would often remark! it seems perfectly right, at least in my own experience. but, how to tackle this enemy? because, we can't just get rid of the spoons/porks... when I find the blind man in Carver's short story "Cathedral" so astonishingly using the spoon, I use to envy him! all our people can please read this story (if you haven't) for so many reasons! http://nbu.bg/webs/amb/american/6/carver/cathedral.htm I also request our community to seriously deliberate upon tackling this pork and spoon challenge! thank u... On 9/16/13, sharad tripathi wrote: > Hello friends, > I would like to attract all of you's attention to very important issue > that is our problem in dealing with folk and spoons as well struggling > with nonveg. dishes. although any how it does nbot bother us as we are > managing it from long. this becomes a issue for other's respect when > lunch is in honour of somebody or official meeting or lunch with MD of > the company. In that case expectations increases for lowvision. > fellows along with us expect us to not create any disorder while lunch > oncentral table of company.If any mistake while or whole of your > fingers in the food does seems embarrassing. > therefore my major concern is is kindly provide tips so that lunch in > hard protocol does not go with empty stomach and noises of utensils. > > regards, > sharad tripathi > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_acces sindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, f
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well I do agree with Avanish shah. in fact I get more satisfaction when I eat with my hand than with spoon. I have seen people eating with spoons even in their homes despite other family members eating with hands. - Original Message - From: "avinash shahi" To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled." Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment Come on guys, don't be so spoony by becoming slave to spoon! Be original and follow your innate eating behaviour by hands. Haven't you heard of perfect hand-mouth coordination? You are you, and I'm I, so why this painful learning desire? If you feed yourself with spoon, it doesn't mean that you are more civilised. But if you eat happily and with confidence than you are gonna be more healthy. Can you break chapaties from spoon? very difficult... But after all this if still you'd love to hold spoon better carry quality tissue papers in formal settings in your pocket and bag Like Seminars and Confrences. Water is no more.. Use both fingers and spoon, I can understand curd, Kheer and Raita demand spoon in outer settings for many. Finally, why to feel embarrassed? let others get embarrassed by watching you chewing your own fingers and thumb. Be strong, and mind your work at workplace, rest is your personal traits organisations/institutions should not have issues with it. On 9/16/13, shyam sharma wrote: Only one solution looks to me right now friends. have Kari Chawal in your daily food for lunch and dinner as well and start practicing as practice makes man perfect... On 9/16/13, Shireen Irani wrote: hi, true this is quite an issue for a lot of us, especially because the more we r beginning to socialise, the more unavoidable it becomes in certain situations. the most important thing to start with here, is not to be nervous. not only blind people, but a lot of cultures in india r not very faund of eating with spoons. so we need to 1st of all stop feeling so embarrassed while trying to manage with the spoon. because in fact the nervousness will make your hands less steady and make u shiver and fumble even more. so try as much as possible not to be too awkward in such situations. another advise i'd like to offer is that a lot of it comes with practice. so u need to start using falks and spoons at home too. in order to get used to handling them in public. often because we're more comfortable eating with hands, we do so in our homes, and then suddenly its a problem when we're faced with using them in public without practice. so 1st of all, start using them at home too. at least 1 meal in 2 days if its too much to switch entirely. make sure that u ask whoever is serving u, to tell u what is being served, and try to follow the sound of where in your plate is it being served. this will put u in a better position to navigate within your plate. in extremely formal places and 5star hotels, its perhaps better to avoid fish etc if 1 is unable to remove bones etc without using hands. so sticking to rice items or anything that goes smoothly and doesn't require too much breaking can be consumed if you're socially uncomfortable to ask any1 to help u. sometimes holding the spoon a bit on the inside, and not exactly on the tip of the handle also helps while breaking big pieces into eatable morsels. u could also sometimes cheat a bit by using the tip of your right thumb just very slightly to feel where your dish starts from in order to know where to break it. but this needs to be done tactfully, and only for a split second. make sure u dont dirty your entire thumb. my final and most important tip is that in a lot of casual restoraunts a lot of people do eat dried foods like kabaabs cutlets pizzas etc with their hands. so as long as your confident about what your doing, there's nothing to stop u from eating certain things with your hands. ultimately its about how u carry yourself and yoru level of confidence. if u can eat decently without showing your awkwardness, even if your slightly clumsy, it really doesn't matter. people know that we r blind, and that we do face certain problems in certain situations. so some degree of clumsiness is surely not as serious as we make it. at least u wont lose a promotion or something if u dont eat like a true englishmen. smiles. just enjoy your food, and eat it with confidence! that's all i'd say. best, Shireen. On 9/16/13, sharad tripathi wrote: Hello friends, I would like to attract all of you's attention to very important issue that is our problem in dealing with folk and spoons as well struggling with nonveg. dishes. although any how it does nbot bother us as we are managing it from long. this becomes a issue for other's respect when lunch is in honour of somebody or official meeting or lunch with MD of
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Great comments are coming up.. Block quote startes And You'd agree, when We in expectation of 'thoda aur bacha hai' keep moving spoon in the bowl, it doesn't do except noice polution to the max. On the other hand, our hand finishes off things in style... Block quote end. To add to it, this Commotion causes great Embarrassment for the toorist of the plate/bowl and his/her guide both... Block quote startes of course, usage of spoon is absolutely alien to the Indian cultures and foods. its undoubtedly a colonial hangover! Block quote ends colonial hangover? Very aptly described. Macaulay had given a very heavy dose of English wine which is going to last till eternity. The Dose was so heavy and pegs were so strong, that Using hand is considered as Unhygienic and Uncivilized in our country! What a man he really was! On 9/17/13, amit patel wrote: > totally agree with avinash. > > On 9/17/13, muruganandan.k wrote: >> of course, usage of spoon is absolutely alien to the Indian cultures >> and foods. its undoubtedly a colonial hangover! >> >> On 9/17/13, avinash shahi wrote: >>> And You'd agree, when We in expectation of 'thoda aur bacha hai' keep >>> moving spoon in the bowl, it doesn't do except noice polution to the >>> max. >>> On the other hand, our hand finishes off things in style... >>> On 9/17/13, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>>> Use of spoons is not a sine qua non of decent lunch etiquettes... >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of bhawani shankar verma >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:35 AM >>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and >>>> issuesconcerning >>>> the disabled. >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual >>>> impairment >>>> >>>> what is the problem if one can not use spoons? I am also not much >>>> familiar >>>> to spoons and I don't use it neither in my house nor in hotels. if >>>> anybody >>>> has problem with me I clearly say him that if he don't want to take me, >>>> its >>>> alright I am happy with my comfort. who is the scientist is invented >>>> this >>>> decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment? >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: raju singh >>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:50 PM >>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and >>>> issuesconcerningthe disabled.' >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual >>>> impairment >>>> >>>> I believe it is the great discussion going on. Even me is facing the >>>> same >>>> problem in daily life. I also not be able successfully use the spoon to >>>> have >>>> my food. I always use my hand to have food in my house, or even in >>>> hotel. >>>> And whenever I attain some function like wedding party, birthday party, >>>> etc, >>>> as we can sea there will be a lots of food dishes prepared, so I always >>>> choose either "really don't know what says in English" chaumin, or >>>> momos, >>>> chapaties, etc but I also frightened to have rice along with various >>>> curries. Yes, I can say that I can use pork to have chaumins, boild >>>> eggs, >>>> etc. but as icecream is my favorite, I don't have any problem having >>>> ice >>>> cream with spoons, as we don't have to do any thing with icecream, just >>>> remove the sealed from the icecream and use spoon to eat emmediately. >>>> No >>>> need to mix up any thing like we usually have to mixed curry if >>>> available >>>> along with rice to have. Due to the same problem you've describe, I >>>> have >>>> totally stopped having some kind of dishes like pitza. >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of austin pinto >>>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:13 PM >>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>> concerningthe disabled. >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual >>>> impairment >>>> >&g
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totally agree with avinash. On 9/17/13, muruganandan.k wrote: > of course, usage of spoon is absolutely alien to the Indian cultures > and foods. its undoubtedly a colonial hangover! > > On 9/17/13, avinash shahi wrote: >> And You'd agree, when We in expectation of 'thoda aur bacha hai' keep >> moving spoon in the bowl, it doesn't do except noice polution to the >> max. >> On the other hand, our hand finishes off things in style... >> On 9/17/13, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >>> Use of spoons is not a sine qua non of decent lunch etiquettes... >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf >>> Of bhawani shankar verma >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:35 AM >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and >>> issuesconcerning >>> the disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual >>> impairment >>> >>> what is the problem if one can not use spoons? I am also not much >>> familiar >>> to spoons and I don't use it neither in my house nor in hotels. if >>> anybody >>> has problem with me I clearly say him that if he don't want to take me, >>> its >>> alright I am happy with my comfort. who is the scientist is invented >>> this >>> decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment? >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: raju singh >>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:50 PM >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and >>> issuesconcerningthe disabled.' >>> Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual >>> impairment >>> >>> I believe it is the great discussion going on. Even me is facing the >>> same >>> problem in daily life. I also not be able successfully use the spoon to >>> have >>> my food. I always use my hand to have food in my house, or even in >>> hotel. >>> And whenever I attain some function like wedding party, birthday party, >>> etc, >>> as we can sea there will be a lots of food dishes prepared, so I always >>> choose either "really don't know what says in English" chaumin, or >>> momos, >>> chapaties, etc but I also frightened to have rice along with various >>> curries. Yes, I can say that I can use pork to have chaumins, boild >>> eggs, >>> etc. but as icecream is my favorite, I don't have any problem having ice >>> cream with spoons, as we don't have to do any thing with icecream, just >>> remove the sealed from the icecream and use spoon to eat emmediately. No >>> need to mix up any thing like we usually have to mixed curry if >>> available >>> along with rice to have. Due to the same problem you've describe, I have >>> totally stopped having some kind of dishes like pitza. >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf >>> Of austin pinto >>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:13 PM >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerningthe disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual >>> impairment >>> >>> no i have never used my hands to eat as this is unhiginic i have >>> always used spoons successfully and we can use it just ask who servs >>> your food whare is what after coming to know just see whare will you >>> require the spoon >>> >>> On 9/16/13, muruganandan.k wrote: >>>> hello, >>>> the Spoon-Menace, as I prefer to term it for a long time, has been one >>>> of the unresolved problems in my daily life... I have even stopped >>>> going to certain parties or eating certain dishes due to this... that >>>> doesn't matter anyway, but it matters a lot when compelled to eat and >>>> there's no other option but to use the pork/spoon! the ice-creems in >>>> broad cups always frighten me for the trouble of "successfully >>>> finishing the eating-operation"! "Spoon is the enemy of the BLIND", my >>>> visually impaired teacher would often remark! it seems perfectly >>>> right, at least in my own experience. but, how to tackle this enemy? >>>> because, we can't just get rid of the spoons/porks... >>
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of course, usage of spoon is absolutely alien to the Indian cultures and foods. its undoubtedly a colonial hangover! On 9/17/13, avinash shahi wrote: > And You'd agree, when We in expectation of 'thoda aur bacha hai' keep > moving spoon in the bowl, it doesn't do except noice polution to the > max. > On the other hand, our hand finishes off things in style... > On 9/17/13, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: >> Use of spoons is not a sine qua non of decent lunch etiquettes... >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of bhawani shankar verma >> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:35 AM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning >> the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual >> impairment >> >> what is the problem if one can not use spoons? I am also not much >> familiar >> to spoons and I don't use it neither in my house nor in hotels. if >> anybody >> has problem with me I clearly say him that if he don't want to take me, >> its >> alright I am happy with my comfort. who is the scientist is invented this >> decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment? >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: raju singh >> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:50 PM >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and >> issuesconcerningthe disabled.' >> Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual >> impairment >> >> I believe it is the great discussion going on. Even me is facing the same >> problem in daily life. I also not be able successfully use the spoon to >> have >> my food. I always use my hand to have food in my house, or even in hotel. >> And whenever I attain some function like wedding party, birthday party, >> etc, >> as we can sea there will be a lots of food dishes prepared, so I always >> choose either "really don't know what says in English" chaumin, or momos, >> chapaties, etc but I also frightened to have rice along with various >> curries. Yes, I can say that I can use pork to have chaumins, boild eggs, >> etc. but as icecream is my favorite, I don't have any problem having ice >> cream with spoons, as we don't have to do any thing with icecream, just >> remove the sealed from the icecream and use spoon to eat emmediately. No >> need to mix up any thing like we usually have to mixed curry if available >> along with rice to have. Due to the same problem you've describe, I have >> totally stopped having some kind of dishes like pitza. >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of austin pinto >> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:13 PM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerningthe disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual >> impairment >> >> no i have never used my hands to eat as this is unhiginic i have >> always used spoons successfully and we can use it just ask who servs >> your food whare is what after coming to know just see whare will you >> require the spoon >> >> On 9/16/13, muruganandan.k wrote: >>> hello, >>> the Spoon-Menace, as I prefer to term it for a long time, has been one >>> of the unresolved problems in my daily life... I have even stopped >>> going to certain parties or eating certain dishes due to this... that >>> doesn't matter anyway, but it matters a lot when compelled to eat and >>> there's no other option but to use the pork/spoon! the ice-creems in >>> broad cups always frighten me for the trouble of "successfully >>> finishing the eating-operation"! "Spoon is the enemy of the BLIND", my >>> visually impaired teacher would often remark! it seems perfectly >>> right, at least in my own experience. but, how to tackle this enemy? >>> because, we can't just get rid of the spoons/porks... >>> when I find the blind man in Carver's short story "Cathedral" so >>> astonishingly using the spoon, I use to envy him! all our people can >>> please read this story (if you haven't) for so many reasons! >>> >>> http://nbu.bg/webs/amb/american/6/carver/cathedral.htm >>> >>> I also request our community to seriously deliberate upon tackling >>> this pork and spoon challenge! >>> >>&
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And You'd agree, when We in expectation of 'thoda aur bacha hai' keep moving spoon in the bowl, it doesn't do except noice polution to the max. On the other hand, our hand finishes off things in style... On 9/17/13, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > Use of spoons is not a sine qua non of decent lunch etiquettes... > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of bhawani shankar verma > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:35 AM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment > > what is the problem if one can not use spoons? I am also not much familiar > to spoons and I don't use it neither in my house nor in hotels. if anybody > has problem with me I clearly say him that if he don't want to take me, its > alright I am happy with my comfort. who is the scientist is invented this > decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment? > > -Original Message- > From: raju singh > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:50 PM > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and > issuesconcerningthe disabled.' > Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment > > I believe it is the great discussion going on. Even me is facing the same > problem in daily life. I also not be able successfully use the spoon to > have > my food. I always use my hand to have food in my house, or even in hotel. > And whenever I attain some function like wedding party, birthday party, > etc, > as we can sea there will be a lots of food dishes prepared, so I always > choose either "really don't know what says in English" chaumin, or momos, > chapaties, etc but I also frightened to have rice along with various > curries. Yes, I can say that I can use pork to have chaumins, boild eggs, > etc. but as icecream is my favorite, I don't have any problem having ice > cream with spoons, as we don't have to do any thing with icecream, just > remove the sealed from the icecream and use spoon to eat emmediately. No > need to mix up any thing like we usually have to mixed curry if available > along with rice to have. Due to the same problem you've describe, I have > totally stopped having some kind of dishes like pitza. > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of austin pinto > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:13 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerningthe disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment > > no i have never used my hands to eat as this is unhiginic i have > always used spoons successfully and we can use it just ask who servs > your food whare is what after coming to know just see whare will you > require the spoon > > On 9/16/13, muruganandan.k wrote: >> hello, >> the Spoon-Menace, as I prefer to term it for a long time, has been one >> of the unresolved problems in my daily life... I have even stopped >> going to certain parties or eating certain dishes due to this... that >> doesn't matter anyway, but it matters a lot when compelled to eat and >> there's no other option but to use the pork/spoon! the ice-creems in >> broad cups always frighten me for the trouble of "successfully >> finishing the eating-operation"! "Spoon is the enemy of the BLIND", my >> visually impaired teacher would often remark! it seems perfectly >> right, at least in my own experience. but, how to tackle this enemy? >> because, we can't just get rid of the spoons/porks... >> when I find the blind man in Carver's short story "Cathedral" so >> astonishingly using the spoon, I use to envy him! all our people can >> please read this story (if you haven't) for so many reasons! >> >> http://nbu.bg/webs/amb/american/6/carver/cathedral.htm >> >> I also request our community to seriously deliberate upon tackling >> this pork and spoon challenge! >> >> thank u... >> >> On 9/16/13, sharad tripathi wrote: >>> Hello friends, >>> I would like to attract all of you's attention to very important issue >>> that is our problem in dealing with folk and spoons as well struggling >>> with nonveg. dishes. although any how it does nbot bother us as we are >>> managing it from long. this becomes a issue for other's respect when >>> lunch is in honour of somebody or official meeting or lunch with MD of >>> the compa
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this is exactly I want to say. -Original Message- From: Devdas Nayak Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:06 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled. Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment Indian food tastes best when eaten with hands. You eat with conviction and passion when using your hands. And dining with the hands does not mean using the fingers and palm but your thumb, pointer and middle finger, and to let only the first two joints of those fingers touch the food. - Original Message - From: "bhawani shankar verma" To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled." Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment what is the problem if one can not use spoons? I am also not much familiar to spoons and I don't use it neither in my house nor in hotels. if anybody has problem with me I clearly say him that if he don't want to take me, its alright I am happy with my comfort. who is the scientist is invented this decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment? -Original Message- From: raju singh Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:50 PM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerningthe disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment I believe it is the great discussion going on. Even me is facing the same problem in daily life. I also not be able successfully use the spoon to have my food. I always use my hand to have food in my house, or even in hotel. And whenever I attain some function like wedding party, birthday party, etc, as we can sea there will be a lots of food dishes prepared, so I always choose either "really don't know what says in English" chaumin, or momos, chapaties, etc but I also frightened to have rice along with various curries. Yes, I can say that I can use pork to have chaumins, boild eggs, etc. but as icecream is my favorite, I don't have any problem having ice cream with spoons, as we don't have to do any thing with icecream, just remove the sealed from the icecream and use spoon to eat emmediately. No need to mix up any thing like we usually have to mixed curry if available along with rice to have. Due to the same problem you've describe, I have totally stopped having some kind of dishes like pitza. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of austin pinto Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:13 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment no i have never used my hands to eat as this is unhiginic i have always used spoons successfully and we can use it just ask who servs your food whare is what after coming to know just see whare will you require the spoon On 9/16/13, muruganandan.k wrote: hello, the Spoon-Menace, as I prefer to term it for a long time, has been one of the unresolved problems in my daily life... I have even stopped going to certain parties or eating certain dishes due to this... that doesn't matter anyway, but it matters a lot when compelled to eat and there's no other option but to use the pork/spoon! the ice-creems in broad cups always frighten me for the trouble of "successfully finishing the eating-operation"! "Spoon is the enemy of the BLIND", my visually impaired teacher would often remark! it seems perfectly right, at least in my own experience. but, how to tackle this enemy? because, we can't just get rid of the spoons/porks... when I find the blind man in Carver's short story "Cathedral" so astonishingly using the spoon, I use to envy him! all our people can please read this story (if you haven't) for so many reasons! http://nbu.bg/webs/amb/american/6/carver/cathedral.htm I also request our community to seriously deliberate upon tackling this pork and spoon challenge! thank u... On 9/16/13, sharad tripathi wrote: Hello friends, I would like to attract all of you's attention to very important issue that is our problem in dealing with folk and spoons as well struggling with nonveg. dishes. although any how it does nbot bother us as we are managing it from long. this becomes a issue for other's respect when lunch is in honour of somebody or official meeting or lunch with MD of the company. In that case expectations increases for lowvision. fellows along with us expect us to not create any disorder while lunch oncentral table of company.If any mistake while or whole of your fingers in the food does seems embarrassing. therefore my major concern is is kindly provide tips so that lunch in hard protocol does
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Indian food tastes best when eaten with hands. You eat with conviction and passion when using your hands. And dining with the hands does not mean using the fingers and palm but your thumb, pointer and middle finger, and to let only the first two joints of those fingers touch the food. - Original Message - From: "bhawani shankar verma" To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled." Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment what is the problem if one can not use spoons? I am also not much familiar to spoons and I don't use it neither in my house nor in hotels. if anybody has problem with me I clearly say him that if he don't want to take me, its alright I am happy with my comfort. who is the scientist is invented this decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment? -Original Message- From: raju singh Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:50 PM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerningthe disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment I believe it is the great discussion going on. Even me is facing the same problem in daily life. I also not be able successfully use the spoon to have my food. I always use my hand to have food in my house, or even in hotel. And whenever I attain some function like wedding party, birthday party, etc, as we can sea there will be a lots of food dishes prepared, so I always choose either "really don't know what says in English" chaumin, or momos, chapaties, etc but I also frightened to have rice along with various curries. Yes, I can say that I can use pork to have chaumins, boild eggs, etc. but as icecream is my favorite, I don't have any problem having ice cream with spoons, as we don't have to do any thing with icecream, just remove the sealed from the icecream and use spoon to eat emmediately. No need to mix up any thing like we usually have to mixed curry if available along with rice to have. Due to the same problem you've describe, I have totally stopped having some kind of dishes like pitza. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of austin pinto Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:13 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment no i have never used my hands to eat as this is unhiginic i have always used spoons successfully and we can use it just ask who servs your food whare is what after coming to know just see whare will you require the spoon On 9/16/13, muruganandan.k wrote: hello, the Spoon-Menace, as I prefer to term it for a long time, has been one of the unresolved problems in my daily life... I have even stopped going to certain parties or eating certain dishes due to this... that doesn't matter anyway, but it matters a lot when compelled to eat and there's no other option but to use the pork/spoon! the ice-creems in broad cups always frighten me for the trouble of "successfully finishing the eating-operation"! "Spoon is the enemy of the BLIND", my visually impaired teacher would often remark! it seems perfectly right, at least in my own experience. but, how to tackle this enemy? because, we can't just get rid of the spoons/porks... when I find the blind man in Carver's short story "Cathedral" so astonishingly using the spoon, I use to envy him! all our people can please read this story (if you haven't) for so many reasons! http://nbu.bg/webs/amb/american/6/carver/cathedral.htm I also request our community to seriously deliberate upon tackling this pork and spoon challenge! thank u... On 9/16/13, sharad tripathi wrote: Hello friends, I would like to attract all of you's attention to very important issue that is our problem in dealing with folk and spoons as well struggling with nonveg. dishes. although any how it does nbot bother us as we are managing it from long. this becomes a issue for other's respect when lunch is in honour of somebody or official meeting or lunch with MD of the company. In that case expectations increases for lowvision. fellows along with us expect us to not create any disorder while lunch oncentral table of company.If any mistake while or whole of your fingers in the food does seems embarrassing. therefore my major concern is is kindly provide tips so that lunch in hard protocol does not go with empty stomach and noises of utensils. regards, sharad tripathi Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Sea
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I second the views of Avinash and Mr. Asudani. Indian dishes are not made for spoon. for rice and curry is a big no no. How about chapatis and curry? Spoon for chapatis as well? not possible at all! I have shamelessly refused to use the spoon even for big parties, specially for Indian dishes. Ice cream, maggie and other foregn dishes are fit to be consumed with the help of spoon. avoid spoon, use hand. people do understand your problem well and issues. using spoon with Indian dishes is sure shot creating a mess on your plate. messing around with your food while using spoon looks bad. On 9/17/13, Harish Kapoor wrote: > Although, I often use spoon, I consider, if you are not able with > spoon try your hand why do you feel embarrass. Do remember, when such > spoon was not available then what did they use? Use of hand is good > for our body. But it should be neat and clean. > > > > On 9/16/13, avinash shahi wrote: >> Come on guys, don't be so spoony by becoming slave to spoon! >> Be original and follow your innate eating behaviour by hands. Haven't >> you heard of perfect hand-mouth coordination? >> You are you, and I'm I, so why this painful learning desire? >> If you feed yourself with spoon, it doesn't mean that you are more >> civilised. But if you eat happily and with confidence than you are >> gonna be more healthy. >> Can you break chapaties from spoon? very difficult... >> But after all this if still you'd love to hold spoon better carry >> quality tissue papers in formal settings in your pocket and bag Like >> Seminars and Confrences. Water is no more.. >> Use both fingers and spoon, I can understand curd, Kheer and Raita >> demand spoon in outer settings for many. >> Finally, why to feel embarrassed? let others get embarrassed by >> watching you chewing your own fingers and thumb. >> Be strong, and mind your work at workplace, rest is your personal >> traits organisations/institutions should not have issues with it. >> On 9/16/13, shyam sharma wrote: >>> Only one solution looks to me right now friends. >>> have Kari Chawal in your daily food for lunch and dinner as well and >>> start practicing as practice makes man perfect... >>> >>> >>> On 9/16/13, Shireen Irani wrote: hi, true this is quite an issue for a lot of us, especially because the more we r beginning to socialise, the more unavoidable it becomes in certain situations. the most important thing to start with here, is not to be nervous. not only blind people, but a lot of cultures in india r not very faund of eating with spoons. so we need to 1st of all stop feeling so embarrassed while trying to manage with the spoon. because in fact the nervousness will make your hands less steady and make u shiver and fumble even more. so try as much as possible not to be too awkward in such situations. another advise i'd like to offer is that a lot of it comes with practice. so u need to start using falks and spoons at home too. in order to get used to handling them in public. often because we're more comfortable eating with hands, we do so in our homes, and then suddenly its a problem when we're faced with using them in public without practice. so 1st of all, start using them at home too. at least 1 meal in 2 days if its too much to switch entirely. make sure that u ask whoever is serving u, to tell u what is being served, and try to follow the sound of where in your plate is it being served. this will put u in a better position to navigate within your plate. in extremely formal places and 5star hotels, its perhaps better to avoid fish etc if 1 is unable to remove bones etc without using hands. so sticking to rice items or anything that goes smoothly and doesn't require too much breaking can be consumed if you're socially uncomfortable to ask any1 to help u. sometimes holding the spoon a bit on the inside, and not exactly on the tip of the handle also helps while breaking big pieces into eatable morsels. u could also sometimes cheat a bit by using the tip of your right thumb just very slightly to feel where your dish starts from in order to know where to break it. but this needs to be done tactfully, and only for a split second. make sure u dont dirty your entire thumb. my final and most important tip is that in a lot of casual restoraunts a lot of people do eat dried foods like kabaabs cutlets pizzas etc with their hands. so as long as your confident about what your doing, there's nothing to stop u from eating certain things with your hands. ultimately its about how u carry yourself and yoru level of confidence. if u can eat decently without showing your awkwardness, even if your slightly clumsy, it really doesn't matter. people know that we r blind, and that we do face certain problems in certain situations. so some degree of
Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment
Although, I often use spoon, I consider, if you are not able with spoon try your hand why do you feel embarrass. Do remember, when such spoon was not available then what did they use? Use of hand is good for our body. But it should be neat and clean. On 9/16/13, avinash shahi wrote: > Come on guys, don't be so spoony by becoming slave to spoon! > Be original and follow your innate eating behaviour by hands. Haven't > you heard of perfect hand-mouth coordination? > You are you, and I'm I, so why this painful learning desire? > If you feed yourself with spoon, it doesn't mean that you are more > civilised. But if you eat happily and with confidence than you are > gonna be more healthy. > Can you break chapaties from spoon? very difficult... > But after all this if still you'd love to hold spoon better carry > quality tissue papers in formal settings in your pocket and bag Like > Seminars and Confrences. Water is no more.. > Use both fingers and spoon, I can understand curd, Kheer and Raita > demand spoon in outer settings for many. > Finally, why to feel embarrassed? let others get embarrassed by > watching you chewing your own fingers and thumb. > Be strong, and mind your work at workplace, rest is your personal > traits organisations/institutions should not have issues with it. > On 9/16/13, shyam sharma wrote: >> Only one solution looks to me right now friends. >> have Kari Chawal in your daily food for lunch and dinner as well and >> start practicing as practice makes man perfect... >> >> >> On 9/16/13, Shireen Irani wrote: >>> hi, >>> >>> true this is quite an issue for a lot of us, especially because the >>> more we r beginning to socialise, the more unavoidable it becomes in >>> certain situations. >>> the most important thing to start with here, is not to be nervous. not >>> only blind people, but a lot of cultures in india r not very faund of >>> eating with spoons. so we need to 1st of all stop feeling so >>> embarrassed while trying to manage with the spoon. because in fact the >>> nervousness will make your hands less steady and make u shiver and >>> fumble even more. so try as much as possible not to be too awkward in >>> such situations. >>> another advise i'd like to offer is that a lot of it comes with >>> practice. so u need to start using falks and spoons at home too. in >>> order to get used to handling them in public. often because we're more >>> comfortable eating with hands, we do so in our homes, and then >>> suddenly its a problem when we're faced with using them in public >>> without practice. so 1st of all, start using them at home too. at >>> least 1 meal in 2 days if its too much to switch entirely. >>> make sure that u ask whoever is serving u, to tell u what is being >>> served, and try to follow the sound of where in your plate is it being >>> served. this will put u in a better position to navigate within your >>> plate. >>> in extremely formal places and 5star hotels, its perhaps better to >>> avoid fish etc if 1 is unable to remove bones etc without using hands. >>> so sticking to rice items or anything that goes smoothly and doesn't >>> require too much breaking can be consumed if you're socially >>> uncomfortable to ask any1 to help u. >>> sometimes holding the spoon a bit on the inside, and not exactly on >>> the tip of the handle also helps while breaking big pieces into >>> eatable morsels. u could also sometimes cheat a bit by using the tip >>> of your right thumb just very slightly to feel where your dish starts >>> from in order to know where to break it. but this needs to be done >>> tactfully, and only for a split second. make sure u dont dirty your >>> entire thumb. >>> my final and most important tip is that in a lot of casual restoraunts >>> a lot of people do eat dried foods like kabaabs cutlets pizzas etc >>> with their hands. so as long as your confident about what your doing, >>> there's nothing to stop u from eating certain things with your hands. >>> ultimately its about how u carry yourself and yoru level of >>> confidence. if u can eat decently without showing your awkwardness, >>> even if your slightly clumsy, it really doesn't matter. people know >>> that we r blind, and that we do face certain problems in certain >>> situations. so some degree of clumsiness is surely not as serious as >>> we make it. >>> at least u wont lose a promotion or something if u dont eat like a >>> true englishmen. smiles. >>> just enjoy your food, and eat it with confidence! >>> that's all i'd say. >>> best, >>> Shireen. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/16/13, sharad tripathi wrote: Hello friends, I would like to attract all of you's attention to very important issue that is our problem in dealing with folk and spoons as well struggling with nonveg. dishes. although any how it does nbot bother us as we are managing it from long. this becomes a issue for other's respect when lunch is in honour of somebody or official meeting or lunch with MD of >>>
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Use of spoons is not a sine qua non of decent lunch etiquettes... -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:35 AM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment what is the problem if one can not use spoons? I am also not much familiar to spoons and I don't use it neither in my house nor in hotels. if anybody has problem with me I clearly say him that if he don't want to take me, its alright I am happy with my comfort. who is the scientist is invented this decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment? -Original Message- From: raju singh Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:50 PM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerningthe disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment I believe it is the great discussion going on. Even me is facing the same problem in daily life. I also not be able successfully use the spoon to have my food. I always use my hand to have food in my house, or even in hotel. And whenever I attain some function like wedding party, birthday party, etc, as we can sea there will be a lots of food dishes prepared, so I always choose either "really don't know what says in English" chaumin, or momos, chapaties, etc but I also frightened to have rice along with various curries. Yes, I can say that I can use pork to have chaumins, boild eggs, etc. but as icecream is my favorite, I don't have any problem having ice cream with spoons, as we don't have to do any thing with icecream, just remove the sealed from the icecream and use spoon to eat emmediately. No need to mix up any thing like we usually have to mixed curry if available along with rice to have. Due to the same problem you've describe, I have totally stopped having some kind of dishes like pitza. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of austin pinto Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:13 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment no i have never used my hands to eat as this is unhiginic i have always used spoons successfully and we can use it just ask who servs your food whare is what after coming to know just see whare will you require the spoon On 9/16/13, muruganandan.k wrote: > hello, > the Spoon-Menace, as I prefer to term it for a long time, has been one > of the unresolved problems in my daily life... I have even stopped > going to certain parties or eating certain dishes due to this... that > doesn't matter anyway, but it matters a lot when compelled to eat and > there's no other option but to use the pork/spoon! the ice-creems in > broad cups always frighten me for the trouble of "successfully > finishing the eating-operation"! "Spoon is the enemy of the BLIND", my > visually impaired teacher would often remark! it seems perfectly > right, at least in my own experience. but, how to tackle this enemy? > because, we can't just get rid of the spoons/porks... > when I find the blind man in Carver's short story "Cathedral" so > astonishingly using the spoon, I use to envy him! all our people can > please read this story (if you haven't) for so many reasons! > > http://nbu.bg/webs/amb/american/6/carver/cathedral.htm > > I also request our community to seriously deliberate upon tackling > this pork and spoon challenge! > > thank u... > > On 9/16/13, sharad tripathi wrote: >> Hello friends, >> I would like to attract all of you's attention to very important issue >> that is our problem in dealing with folk and spoons as well struggling >> with nonveg. dishes. although any how it does nbot bother us as we are >> managing it from long. this becomes a issue for other's respect when >> lunch is in honour of somebody or official meeting or lunch with MD of >> the company. In that case expectations increases for lowvision. >> fellows along with us expect us to not create any disorder while lunch >> oncentral table of company.If any mistake while or whole of your >> fingers in the food does seems embarrassing. >> therefore my major concern is is kindly provide tips so that lunch in >> hard protocol does not go with empty stomach and noises of utensils. >> >> regards, >> sharad tripathi >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >> of >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.acces
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Truly said avinash. But according to me, the dishes you have mention kheer raita or those type of food require spoon, but using spoon with those dishes need no longer to do any thing. Just you need to start eating as soon as you get. Sighted fellows are exactly doing the same. As fish is also one of my favorite curry, and have eaten since I was very small, therefore I no longer need any hand to use while having the fish, , I can use my mouth and tongue to differenciate the bone and the actual fish. Hahahaha! But the main problem I face while using spoon is with rice and curry. With rice and curry, as you know before eating, rice should be mixed with curry, daal chatni, (sorry for my very poor English) therefore it will be very difficult for me to do all this thing, the result is that some time by mistakely eat only the part of curry, some time chatni only and some time only the rice! That's why I always prefer my natural hand to have rice. Thank you! -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 10:25 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment Come on guys, don't be so spoony by becoming slave to spoon! Be original and follow your innate eating behaviour by hands. Haven't you heard of perfect hand-mouth coordination? You are you, and I'm I, so why this painful learning desire? If you feed yourself with spoon, it doesn't mean that you are more civilised. But if you eat happily and with confidence than you are gonna be more healthy. Can you break chapaties from spoon? very difficult... But after all this if still you'd love to hold spoon better carry quality tissue papers in formal settings in your pocket and bag Like Seminars and Confrences. Water is no more.. Use both fingers and spoon, I can understand curd, Kheer and Raita demand spoon in outer settings for many. Finally, why to feel embarrassed? let others get embarrassed by watching you chewing your own fingers and thumb. Be strong, and mind your work at workplace, rest is your personal traits organisations/institutions should not have issues with it. On 9/16/13, shyam sharma wrote: > Only one solution looks to me right now friends. > have Kari Chawal in your daily food for lunch and dinner as well and > start practicing as practice makes man perfect... > > > On 9/16/13, Shireen Irani wrote: >> hi, >> >> true this is quite an issue for a lot of us, especially because the >> more we r beginning to socialise, the more unavoidable it becomes in >> certain situations. >> the most important thing to start with here, is not to be nervous. not >> only blind people, but a lot of cultures in india r not very faund of >> eating with spoons. so we need to 1st of all stop feeling so >> embarrassed while trying to manage with the spoon. because in fact the >> nervousness will make your hands less steady and make u shiver and >> fumble even more. so try as much as possible not to be too awkward in >> such situations. >> another advise i'd like to offer is that a lot of it comes with >> practice. so u need to start using falks and spoons at home too. in >> order to get used to handling them in public. often because we're more >> comfortable eating with hands, we do so in our homes, and then >> suddenly its a problem when we're faced with using them in public >> without practice. so 1st of all, start using them at home too. at >> least 1 meal in 2 days if its too much to switch entirely. >> make sure that u ask whoever is serving u, to tell u what is being >> served, and try to follow the sound of where in your plate is it being >> served. this will put u in a better position to navigate within your >> plate. >> in extremely formal places and 5star hotels, its perhaps better to >> avoid fish etc if 1 is unable to remove bones etc without using hands. >> so sticking to rice items or anything that goes smoothly and doesn't >> require too much breaking can be consumed if you're socially >> uncomfortable to ask any1 to help u. >> sometimes holding the spoon a bit on the inside, and not exactly on >> the tip of the handle also helps while breaking big pieces into >> eatable morsels. u could also sometimes cheat a bit by using the tip >> of your right thumb just very slightly to feel where your dish starts >> from in order to know where to break it. but this needs to be done >> tactfully, and only for a split second. make sure u dont dirty your >> entire thumb. >> my final and most important tip is that in a lot of casual restoraunts >> a lot of
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of course! we needn't be so "spoony" my friends, still discussing this matter so openly has given a great amount of confidence and certain crucial tips! as has been remarked quite rightly here, nervesness becomes the biggest hurdle than anything else... that's because of the fear of being watched! thanks for all ur suggestions, boost-ups and tips! and again, please consider reading the story (if you haven't) I mentioned. it talks about the overpowering of blindness upon a man's confident vision, so realistically narrated from a typical sighted perspective http://nbu.bg/webs/amb/american/6/carver/cathedral.htm thanks and regards. On 9/16/13, avinash shahi wrote: > Come on guys, don't be so spoony by becoming slave to spoon! > Be original and follow your innate eating behaviour by hands. Haven't > you heard of perfect hand-mouth coordination? > You are you, and I'm I, so why this painful learning desire? > If you feed yourself with spoon, it doesn't mean that you are more > civilised. But if you eat happily and with confidence than you are > gonna be more healthy. > Can you break chapaties from spoon? very difficult... > But after all this if still you'd love to hold spoon better carry > quality tissue papers in formal settings in your pocket and bag Like > Seminars and Confrences. Water is no more.. > Use both fingers and spoon, I can understand curd, Kheer and Raita > demand spoon in outer settings for many. > Finally, why to feel embarrassed? let others get embarrassed by > watching you chewing your own fingers and thumb. > Be strong, and mind your work at workplace, rest is your personal > traits organisations/institutions should not have issues with it. > On 9/16/13, shyam sharma wrote: >> Only one solution looks to me right now friends. >> have Kari Chawal in your daily food for lunch and dinner as well and >> start practicing as practice makes man perfect... >> >> >> On 9/16/13, Shireen Irani wrote: >>> hi, >>> >>> true this is quite an issue for a lot of us, especially because the >>> more we r beginning to socialise, the more unavoidable it becomes in >>> certain situations. >>> the most important thing to start with here, is not to be nervous. not >>> only blind people, but a lot of cultures in india r not very faund of >>> eating with spoons. so we need to 1st of all stop feeling so >>> embarrassed while trying to manage with the spoon. because in fact the >>> nervousness will make your hands less steady and make u shiver and >>> fumble even more. so try as much as possible not to be too awkward in >>> such situations. >>> another advise i'd like to offer is that a lot of it comes with >>> practice. so u need to start using falks and spoons at home too. in >>> order to get used to handling them in public. often because we're more >>> comfortable eating with hands, we do so in our homes, and then >>> suddenly its a problem when we're faced with using them in public >>> without practice. so 1st of all, start using them at home too. at >>> least 1 meal in 2 days if its too much to switch entirely. >>> make sure that u ask whoever is serving u, to tell u what is being >>> served, and try to follow the sound of where in your plate is it being >>> served. this will put u in a better position to navigate within your >>> plate. >>> in extremely formal places and 5star hotels, its perhaps better to >>> avoid fish etc if 1 is unable to remove bones etc without using hands. >>> so sticking to rice items or anything that goes smoothly and doesn't >>> require too much breaking can be consumed if you're socially >>> uncomfortable to ask any1 to help u. >>> sometimes holding the spoon a bit on the inside, and not exactly on >>> the tip of the handle also helps while breaking big pieces into >>> eatable morsels. u could also sometimes cheat a bit by using the tip >>> of your right thumb just very slightly to feel where your dish starts >>> from in order to know where to break it. but this needs to be done >>> tactfully, and only for a split second. make sure u dont dirty your >>> entire thumb. >>> my final and most important tip is that in a lot of casual restoraunts >>> a lot of people do eat dried foods like kabaabs cutlets pizzas etc >>> with their hands. so as long as your confident about what your doing, >>> there's nothing to stop u from eating certain things with your hands. >>> ultimately its about how u carry yourself and yoru level of >>> confidence. if u can eat decently without showing your awkwardness, >>> even if your slightly clumsy, it really doesn't matter. people know >>> that we r blind, and that we do face certain problems in certain >>> situations. so some degree of clumsiness is surely not as serious as >>> we make it. >>> at least u wont lose a promotion or something if u dont eat like a >>> true englishmen. smiles. >>> just enjoy your food, and eat it with confidence! >>> that's all i'd say. >>> best, >>> Shireen. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/16/13, sharad tripathi wrote: Hello
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what is the problem if one can not use spoons? I am also not much familiar to spoons and I don't use it neither in my house nor in hotels. if anybody has problem with me I clearly say him that if he don't want to take me, its alright I am happy with my comfort. who is the scientist is invented this decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment? -Original Message- From: raju singh Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:50 PM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerningthe disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment I believe it is the great discussion going on. Even me is facing the same problem in daily life. I also not be able successfully use the spoon to have my food. I always use my hand to have food in my house, or even in hotel. And whenever I attain some function like wedding party, birthday party, etc, as we can sea there will be a lots of food dishes prepared, so I always choose either "really don't know what says in English" chaumin, or momos, chapaties, etc but I also frightened to have rice along with various curries. Yes, I can say that I can use pork to have chaumins, boild eggs, etc. but as icecream is my favorite, I don't have any problem having ice cream with spoons, as we don't have to do any thing with icecream, just remove the sealed from the icecream and use spoon to eat emmediately. No need to mix up any thing like we usually have to mixed curry if available along with rice to have. Due to the same problem you've describe, I have totally stopped having some kind of dishes like pitza. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of austin pinto Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:13 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment no i have never used my hands to eat as this is unhiginic i have always used spoons successfully and we can use it just ask who servs your food whare is what after coming to know just see whare will you require the spoon On 9/16/13, muruganandan.k wrote: hello, the Spoon-Menace, as I prefer to term it for a long time, has been one of the unresolved problems in my daily life... I have even stopped going to certain parties or eating certain dishes due to this... that doesn't matter anyway, but it matters a lot when compelled to eat and there's no other option but to use the pork/spoon! the ice-creems in broad cups always frighten me for the trouble of "successfully finishing the eating-operation"! "Spoon is the enemy of the BLIND", my visually impaired teacher would often remark! it seems perfectly right, at least in my own experience. but, how to tackle this enemy? because, we can't just get rid of the spoons/porks... when I find the blind man in Carver's short story "Cathedral" so astonishingly using the spoon, I use to envy him! all our people can please read this story (if you haven't) for so many reasons! http://nbu.bg/webs/amb/american/6/carver/cathedral.htm I also request our community to seriously deliberate upon tackling this pork and spoon challenge! thank u... On 9/16/13, sharad tripathi wrote: Hello friends, I would like to attract all of you's attention to very important issue that is our problem in dealing with folk and spoons as well struggling with nonveg. dishes. although any how it does nbot bother us as we are managing it from long. this becomes a issue for other's respect when lunch is in honour of somebody or official meeting or lunch with MD of the company. In that case expectations increases for lowvision. fellows along with us expect us to not create any disorder while lunch oncentral table of company.If any mistake while or whole of your fingers in the food does seems embarrassing. therefore my major concern is is kindly provide tips so that lunch in hard protocol does not go with empty stomach and noises of utensils. regards, sharad tripathi Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails
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u really dont need to sound so cynicle about this. please stop discouraging others on the list with your pesimistic narrowing down of the suggestions. On 9/16/13, shyam sharma wrote: > Only one solution looks to me right now friends. > have Kari Chawal in your daily food for lunch and dinner as well and > start practicing as practice makes man perfect... > > > On 9/16/13, Shireen Irani wrote: >> hi, >> >> true this is quite an issue for a lot of us, especially because the >> more we r beginning to socialise, the more unavoidable it becomes in >> certain situations. >> the most important thing to start with here, is not to be nervous. not >> only blind people, but a lot of cultures in india r not very faund of >> eating with spoons. so we need to 1st of all stop feeling so >> embarrassed while trying to manage with the spoon. because in fact the >> nervousness will make your hands less steady and make u shiver and >> fumble even more. so try as much as possible not to be too awkward in >> such situations. >> another advise i'd like to offer is that a lot of it comes with >> practice. so u need to start using falks and spoons at home too. in >> order to get used to handling them in public. often because we're more >> comfortable eating with hands, we do so in our homes, and then >> suddenly its a problem when we're faced with using them in public >> without practice. so 1st of all, start using them at home too. at >> least 1 meal in 2 days if its too much to switch entirely. >> make sure that u ask whoever is serving u, to tell u what is being >> served, and try to follow the sound of where in your plate is it being >> served. this will put u in a better position to navigate within your >> plate. >> in extremely formal places and 5star hotels, its perhaps better to >> avoid fish etc if 1 is unable to remove bones etc without using hands. >> so sticking to rice items or anything that goes smoothly and doesn't >> require too much breaking can be consumed if you're socially >> uncomfortable to ask any1 to help u. >> sometimes holding the spoon a bit on the inside, and not exactly on >> the tip of the handle also helps while breaking big pieces into >> eatable morsels. u could also sometimes cheat a bit by using the tip >> of your right thumb just very slightly to feel where your dish starts >> from in order to know where to break it. but this needs to be done >> tactfully, and only for a split second. make sure u dont dirty your >> entire thumb. >> my final and most important tip is that in a lot of casual restoraunts >> a lot of people do eat dried foods like kabaabs cutlets pizzas etc >> with their hands. so as long as your confident about what your doing, >> there's nothing to stop u from eating certain things with your hands. >> ultimately its about how u carry yourself and yoru level of >> confidence. if u can eat decently without showing your awkwardness, >> even if your slightly clumsy, it really doesn't matter. people know >> that we r blind, and that we do face certain problems in certain >> situations. so some degree of clumsiness is surely not as serious as >> we make it. >> at least u wont lose a promotion or something if u dont eat like a >> true englishmen. smiles. >> just enjoy your food, and eat it with confidence! >> that's all i'd say. >> best, >> Shireen. >> >> >> >> On 9/16/13, sharad tripathi wrote: >>> Hello friends, >>> I would like to attract all of you's attention to very important issue >>> that is our problem in dealing with folk and spoons as well struggling >>> with nonveg. dishes. although any how it does nbot bother us as we are >>> managing it from long. this becomes a issue for other's respect when >>> lunch is in honour of somebody or official meeting or lunch with MD of >>> the company. In that case expectations increases for lowvision. >>> fellows along with us expect us to not create any disorder while lunch >>> oncentral table of company.If any mistake while or whole of your >>> fingers in the food does seems embarrassing. >>> therefore my major concern is is kindly provide tips so that lunch in >>> hard protocol does not go with empty stomach and noises of utensils. >>> >>> regards, >>> sharad tripathi >>> >>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >>> of >>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please >>> visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Disclaimer: >>> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >>> the >>> person sending the mail and AI in no wa
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Come on guys, don't be so spoony by becoming slave to spoon! Be original and follow your innate eating behaviour by hands. Haven't you heard of perfect hand-mouth coordination? You are you, and I'm I, so why this painful learning desire? If you feed yourself with spoon, it doesn't mean that you are more civilised. But if you eat happily and with confidence than you are gonna be more healthy. Can you break chapaties from spoon? very difficult... But after all this if still you'd love to hold spoon better carry quality tissue papers in formal settings in your pocket and bag Like Seminars and Confrences. Water is no more.. Use both fingers and spoon, I can understand curd, Kheer and Raita demand spoon in outer settings for many. Finally, why to feel embarrassed? let others get embarrassed by watching you chewing your own fingers and thumb. Be strong, and mind your work at workplace, rest is your personal traits organisations/institutions should not have issues with it. On 9/16/13, shyam sharma wrote: > Only one solution looks to me right now friends. > have Kari Chawal in your daily food for lunch and dinner as well and > start practicing as practice makes man perfect... > > > On 9/16/13, Shireen Irani wrote: >> hi, >> >> true this is quite an issue for a lot of us, especially because the >> more we r beginning to socialise, the more unavoidable it becomes in >> certain situations. >> the most important thing to start with here, is not to be nervous. not >> only blind people, but a lot of cultures in india r not very faund of >> eating with spoons. so we need to 1st of all stop feeling so >> embarrassed while trying to manage with the spoon. because in fact the >> nervousness will make your hands less steady and make u shiver and >> fumble even more. so try as much as possible not to be too awkward in >> such situations. >> another advise i'd like to offer is that a lot of it comes with >> practice. so u need to start using falks and spoons at home too. in >> order to get used to handling them in public. often because we're more >> comfortable eating with hands, we do so in our homes, and then >> suddenly its a problem when we're faced with using them in public >> without practice. so 1st of all, start using them at home too. at >> least 1 meal in 2 days if its too much to switch entirely. >> make sure that u ask whoever is serving u, to tell u what is being >> served, and try to follow the sound of where in your plate is it being >> served. this will put u in a better position to navigate within your >> plate. >> in extremely formal places and 5star hotels, its perhaps better to >> avoid fish etc if 1 is unable to remove bones etc without using hands. >> so sticking to rice items or anything that goes smoothly and doesn't >> require too much breaking can be consumed if you're socially >> uncomfortable to ask any1 to help u. >> sometimes holding the spoon a bit on the inside, and not exactly on >> the tip of the handle also helps while breaking big pieces into >> eatable morsels. u could also sometimes cheat a bit by using the tip >> of your right thumb just very slightly to feel where your dish starts >> from in order to know where to break it. but this needs to be done >> tactfully, and only for a split second. make sure u dont dirty your >> entire thumb. >> my final and most important tip is that in a lot of casual restoraunts >> a lot of people do eat dried foods like kabaabs cutlets pizzas etc >> with their hands. so as long as your confident about what your doing, >> there's nothing to stop u from eating certain things with your hands. >> ultimately its about how u carry yourself and yoru level of >> confidence. if u can eat decently without showing your awkwardness, >> even if your slightly clumsy, it really doesn't matter. people know >> that we r blind, and that we do face certain problems in certain >> situations. so some degree of clumsiness is surely not as serious as >> we make it. >> at least u wont lose a promotion or something if u dont eat like a >> true englishmen. smiles. >> just enjoy your food, and eat it with confidence! >> that's all i'd say. >> best, >> Shireen. >> >> >> >> On 9/16/13, sharad tripathi wrote: >>> Hello friends, >>> I would like to attract all of you's attention to very important issue >>> that is our problem in dealing with folk and spoons as well struggling >>> with nonveg. dishes. although any how it does nbot bother us as we are >>> managing it from long. this becomes a issue for other's respect when >>> lunch is in honour of somebody or official meeting or lunch with MD of >>> the company. In that case expectations increases for lowvision. >>> fellows along with us expect us to not create any disorder while lunch >>> oncentral table of company.If any mistake while or whole of your >>> fingers in the food does seems embarrassing. >>> therefore my major concern is is kindly provide tips so that lunch in >>> hard protocol does not go with empty stomach and noises
Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment
no i have never used my hands to eat as this is unhiginic i have always used spoons successfully and we can use it just ask who servs your food whare is what after coming to know just see whare will you require the spoon On 9/16/13, muruganandan.k wrote: > hello, > the Spoon-Menace, as I prefer to term it for a long time, has been one > of the unresolved problems in my daily life... I have even stopped > going to certain parties or eating certain dishes due to this... that > doesn't matter anyway, but it matters a lot when compelled to eat and > there's no other option but to use the pork/spoon! the ice-creems in > broad cups always frighten me for the trouble of "successfully > finishing the eating-operation"! "Spoon is the enemy of the BLIND", my > visually impaired teacher would often remark! it seems perfectly > right, at least in my own experience. but, how to tackle this enemy? > because, we can't just get rid of the spoons/porks... > when I find the blind man in Carver's short story "Cathedral" so > astonishingly using the spoon, I use to envy him! all our people can > please read this story (if you haven't) for so many reasons! > > http://nbu.bg/webs/amb/american/6/carver/cathedral.htm > > I also request our community to seriously deliberate upon tackling > this pork and spoon challenge! > > thank u... > > On 9/16/13, sharad tripathi wrote: >> Hello friends, >> I would like to attract all of you's attention to very important issue >> that is our problem in dealing with folk and spoons as well struggling >> with nonveg. dishes. although any how it does nbot bother us as we are >> managing it from long. this becomes a issue for other's respect when >> lunch is in honour of somebody or official meeting or lunch with MD of >> the company. In that case expectations increases for lowvision. >> fellows along with us expect us to not create any disorder while lunch >> oncentral table of company.If any mistake while or whole of your >> fingers in the food does seems embarrassing. >> therefore my major concern is is kindly provide tips so that lunch in >> hard protocol does not go with empty stomach and noises of utensils. >> >> regards, >> sharad tripathi >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >> of >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the >> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails >> sent through this mailing list.. >> > > > -- > “THE OPPOSITE OF LOVE IS NOT HATRED, BUT INDIFFERENCE” > MURUGANANDAN.K > Ph.D Scholar, > Department of English, > Pondicherry University, > puducherry-14 > mobile:+919787871008. > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > -- surch for me on facebook, google+, orkut.. austinpinto.xavi...@gmail.com follow me on twitter. austinmpinto contact me on skype. austin.pinto3 Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending th
Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment
Only one solution looks to me right now friends. have Kari Chawal in your daily food for lunch and dinner as well and start practicing as practice makes man perfect... On 9/16/13, Shireen Irani wrote: > hi, > > true this is quite an issue for a lot of us, especially because the > more we r beginning to socialise, the more unavoidable it becomes in > certain situations. > the most important thing to start with here, is not to be nervous. not > only blind people, but a lot of cultures in india r not very faund of > eating with spoons. so we need to 1st of all stop feeling so > embarrassed while trying to manage with the spoon. because in fact the > nervousness will make your hands less steady and make u shiver and > fumble even more. so try as much as possible not to be too awkward in > such situations. > another advise i'd like to offer is that a lot of it comes with > practice. so u need to start using falks and spoons at home too. in > order to get used to handling them in public. often because we're more > comfortable eating with hands, we do so in our homes, and then > suddenly its a problem when we're faced with using them in public > without practice. so 1st of all, start using them at home too. at > least 1 meal in 2 days if its too much to switch entirely. > make sure that u ask whoever is serving u, to tell u what is being > served, and try to follow the sound of where in your plate is it being > served. this will put u in a better position to navigate within your > plate. > in extremely formal places and 5star hotels, its perhaps better to > avoid fish etc if 1 is unable to remove bones etc without using hands. > so sticking to rice items or anything that goes smoothly and doesn't > require too much breaking can be consumed if you're socially > uncomfortable to ask any1 to help u. > sometimes holding the spoon a bit on the inside, and not exactly on > the tip of the handle also helps while breaking big pieces into > eatable morsels. u could also sometimes cheat a bit by using the tip > of your right thumb just very slightly to feel where your dish starts > from in order to know where to break it. but this needs to be done > tactfully, and only for a split second. make sure u dont dirty your > entire thumb. > my final and most important tip is that in a lot of casual restoraunts > a lot of people do eat dried foods like kabaabs cutlets pizzas etc > with their hands. so as long as your confident about what your doing, > there's nothing to stop u from eating certain things with your hands. > ultimately its about how u carry yourself and yoru level of > confidence. if u can eat decently without showing your awkwardness, > even if your slightly clumsy, it really doesn't matter. people know > that we r blind, and that we do face certain problems in certain > situations. so some degree of clumsiness is surely not as serious as > we make it. > at least u wont lose a promotion or something if u dont eat like a > true englishmen. smiles. > just enjoy your food, and eat it with confidence! > that's all i'd say. > best, > Shireen. > > > > On 9/16/13, sharad tripathi wrote: >> Hello friends, >> I would like to attract all of you's attention to very important issue >> that is our problem in dealing with folk and spoons as well struggling >> with nonveg. dishes. although any how it does nbot bother us as we are >> managing it from long. this becomes a issue for other's respect when >> lunch is in honour of somebody or official meeting or lunch with MD of >> the company. In that case expectations increases for lowvision. >> fellows along with us expect us to not create any disorder while lunch >> oncentral table of company.If any mistake while or whole of your >> fingers in the food does seems embarrassing. >> therefore my major concern is is kindly provide tips so that lunch in >> hard protocol does not go with empty stomach and noises of utensils. >> >> regards, >> sharad tripathi >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >> of >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the >> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails >> sent through this mailing list.. >> > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.
Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment
hi, true this is quite an issue for a lot of us, especially because the more we r beginning to socialise, the more unavoidable it becomes in certain situations. the most important thing to start with here, is not to be nervous. not only blind people, but a lot of cultures in india r not very faund of eating with spoons. so we need to 1st of all stop feeling so embarrassed while trying to manage with the spoon. because in fact the nervousness will make your hands less steady and make u shiver and fumble even more. so try as much as possible not to be too awkward in such situations. another advise i'd like to offer is that a lot of it comes with practice. so u need to start using falks and spoons at home too. in order to get used to handling them in public. often because we're more comfortable eating with hands, we do so in our homes, and then suddenly its a problem when we're faced with using them in public without practice. so 1st of all, start using them at home too. at least 1 meal in 2 days if its too much to switch entirely. make sure that u ask whoever is serving u, to tell u what is being served, and try to follow the sound of where in your plate is it being served. this will put u in a better position to navigate within your plate. in extremely formal places and 5star hotels, its perhaps better to avoid fish etc if 1 is unable to remove bones etc without using hands. so sticking to rice items or anything that goes smoothly and doesn't require too much breaking can be consumed if you're socially uncomfortable to ask any1 to help u. sometimes holding the spoon a bit on the inside, and not exactly on the tip of the handle also helps while breaking big pieces into eatable morsels. u could also sometimes cheat a bit by using the tip of your right thumb just very slightly to feel where your dish starts from in order to know where to break it. but this needs to be done tactfully, and only for a split second. make sure u dont dirty your entire thumb. my final and most important tip is that in a lot of casual restoraunts a lot of people do eat dried foods like kabaabs cutlets pizzas etc with their hands. so as long as your confident about what your doing, there's nothing to stop u from eating certain things with your hands. ultimately its about how u carry yourself and yoru level of confidence. if u can eat decently without showing your awkwardness, even if your slightly clumsy, it really doesn't matter. people know that we r blind, and that we do face certain problems in certain situations. so some degree of clumsiness is surely not as serious as we make it. at least u wont lose a promotion or something if u dont eat like a true englishmen. smiles. just enjoy your food, and eat it with confidence! that's all i'd say. best, Shireen. On 9/16/13, sharad tripathi wrote: > Hello friends, > I would like to attract all of you's attention to very important issue > that is our problem in dealing with folk and spoons as well struggling > with nonveg. dishes. although any how it does nbot bother us as we are > managing it from long. this becomes a issue for other's respect when > lunch is in honour of somebody or official meeting or lunch with MD of > the company. In that case expectations increases for lowvision. > fellows along with us expect us to not create any disorder while lunch > oncentral table of company.If any mistake while or whole of your > fingers in the food does seems embarrassing. > therefore my major concern is is kindly provide tips so that lunch in > hard protocol does not go with empty stomach and noises of utensils. > > regards, > sharad tripathi > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://
Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment
I believe it is the great discussion going on. Even me is facing the same problem in daily life. I also not be able successfully use the spoon to have my food. I always use my hand to have food in my house, or even in hotel. And whenever I attain some function like wedding party, birthday party, etc, as we can sea there will be a lots of food dishes prepared, so I always choose either "really don't know what says in English" chaumin, or momos, chapaties, etc but I also frightened to have rice along with various curries. Yes, I can say that I can use pork to have chaumins, boild eggs, etc. but as icecream is my favorite, I don't have any problem having ice cream with spoons, as we don't have to do any thing with icecream, just remove the sealed from the icecream and use spoon to eat emmediately. No need to mix up any thing like we usually have to mixed curry if available along with rice to have. Due to the same problem you've describe, I have totally stopped having some kind of dishes like pitza. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of austin pinto Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:13 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment no i have never used my hands to eat as this is unhiginic i have always used spoons successfully and we can use it just ask who servs your food whare is what after coming to know just see whare will you require the spoon On 9/16/13, muruganandan.k wrote: > hello, > the Spoon-Menace, as I prefer to term it for a long time, has been one > of the unresolved problems in my daily life... I have even stopped > going to certain parties or eating certain dishes due to this... that > doesn't matter anyway, but it matters a lot when compelled to eat and > there's no other option but to use the pork/spoon! the ice-creems in > broad cups always frighten me for the trouble of "successfully > finishing the eating-operation"! "Spoon is the enemy of the BLIND", my > visually impaired teacher would often remark! it seems perfectly > right, at least in my own experience. but, how to tackle this enemy? > because, we can't just get rid of the spoons/porks... > when I find the blind man in Carver's short story "Cathedral" so > astonishingly using the spoon, I use to envy him! all our people can > please read this story (if you haven't) for so many reasons! > > http://nbu.bg/webs/amb/american/6/carver/cathedral.htm > > I also request our community to seriously deliberate upon tackling > this pork and spoon challenge! > > thank u... > > On 9/16/13, sharad tripathi wrote: >> Hello friends, >> I would like to attract all of you's attention to very important issue >> that is our problem in dealing with folk and spoons as well struggling >> with nonveg. dishes. although any how it does nbot bother us as we are >> managing it from long. this becomes a issue for other's respect when >> lunch is in honour of somebody or official meeting or lunch with MD of >> the company. In that case expectations increases for lowvision. >> fellows along with us expect us to not create any disorder while lunch >> oncentral table of company.If any mistake while or whole of your >> fingers in the food does seems embarrassing. >> therefore my major concern is is kindly provide tips so that lunch in >> hard protocol does not go with empty stomach and noises of utensils. >> >> regards, >> sharad tripathi >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >> of >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the >> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails >> sent through this mailing list.. >> > > > -- > "THE OPPOSITE OF LOVE IS NOT HATRED, BUT INDIFFERENCE" > MURUGANANDAN.K
Re: [AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment
hello, the Spoon-Menace, as I prefer to term it for a long time, has been one of the unresolved problems in my daily life... I have even stopped going to certain parties or eating certain dishes due to this... that doesn't matter anyway, but it matters a lot when compelled to eat and there's no other option but to use the pork/spoon! the ice-creems in broad cups always frighten me for the trouble of "successfully finishing the eating-operation"! "Spoon is the enemy of the BLIND", my visually impaired teacher would often remark! it seems perfectly right, at least in my own experience. but, how to tackle this enemy? because, we can't just get rid of the spoons/porks... when I find the blind man in Carver's short story "Cathedral" so astonishingly using the spoon, I use to envy him! all our people can please read this story (if you haven't) for so many reasons! http://nbu.bg/webs/amb/american/6/carver/cathedral.htm I also request our community to seriously deliberate upon tackling this pork and spoon challenge! thank u... On 9/16/13, sharad tripathi wrote: > Hello friends, > I would like to attract all of you's attention to very important issue > that is our problem in dealing with folk and spoons as well struggling > with nonveg. dishes. although any how it does nbot bother us as we are > managing it from long. this becomes a issue for other's respect when > lunch is in honour of somebody or official meeting or lunch with MD of > the company. In that case expectations increases for lowvision. > fellows along with us expect us to not create any disorder while lunch > oncentral table of company.If any mistake while or whole of your > fingers in the food does seems embarrassing. > therefore my major concern is is kindly provide tips so that lunch in > hard protocol does not go with empty stomach and noises of utensils. > > regards, > sharad tripathi > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > -- “THE OPPOSITE OF LOVE IS NOT HATRED, BUT INDIFFERENCE” MURUGANANDAN.K Ph.D Scholar, Department of English, Pondicherry University, puducherry-14 mobile:+919787871008. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
[AI] decent lunch etiquettes for person with visual impairment
Hello friends, I would like to attract all of you's attention to very important issue that is our problem in dealing with folk and spoons as well struggling with nonveg. dishes. although any how it does nbot bother us as we are managing it from long. this becomes a issue for other's respect when lunch is in honour of somebody or official meeting or lunch with MD of the company. In that case expectations increases for lowvision. fellows along with us expect us to not create any disorder while lunch oncentral table of company.If any mistake while or whole of your fingers in the food does seems embarrassing. therefore my major concern is is kindly provide tips so that lunch in hard protocol does not go with empty stomach and noises of utensils. regards, sharad tripathi Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
