Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.
Going through the interesting post! Because of some illegitimate practices by a few blind people, now a days the whole blind community is being criticized. It has become an excuse even for the authorities for not giving proper facilities when it comes to examination. Are there no cheaters in the sighted community? I am sighted, working in a college and seeing a few students being detained almost every examination, in spite of our college being private one and very strict. I am sure the scene must be worse in many other colleges. If someone somewhere cheats, does the hammer comes on the whole of sighted community? Then why so with the blind community? Why should the whole community be judged based on the actions of a few? They are denied their basic rights and shown the door as if the whole community have done some crime. The authorities simply want to shake the responsibilities off their shoulders by sighting a few such examples as excuses. Kanchan On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 7:51 PM wrote: > Well said! > Don’t know about other states, but, in Karnataka, no special schools > introduced the maths and science in there high school level, except ramana > maha rushi school. also, the education system has gone completely down > compared to the previous years. > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia On Behalf Of > gunjan kumari > Sent: 27 June 2019 16:11 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by > a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person. > > The discussion is so compelling that I can’t resist commenting. No defence > for those who pay thousands to get through the competitive exams! After > all, it is they who prove the poet Yeats’ statement: > “The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate > intensity”. > But the fault lies within our education system too. There is a lot of > lacunae in elementary and primary education system meant to support the > students with visual impairment. In this scenario, it becomes solely the > responsibility of an individual with blindness to cope with her/his > problems if they wish to stand at par with sighted students. > And, of course, everyone is not well-equipped emotionally, morally, > ethically and sometime financially to act in this direction. So, one of the > ways to cope with this situation can be to follow the exam patterns > suggested by Rohit and other members for people with blindness for such > exams till we reform our education system at large. > And, I must point out, Payal Ma’am, you always raise such > thought-provoking and worth-reflecting issues that no sensitive person can > remain untouched by them! > > Thanks and regards > > Gunjan > On 6/26/19, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: > > Actually, the problem lies on both sides of the spectrum. While it is > > true that the pattern of the paper doesn't reflect the characteristics > > of banking for questioning, yet the fact of paid scribes destroying > > the legitimacy of the whole process can't be denied altogether. > > If we justify the use of scribes for any reason under the sun, then it > > can open up a pandora box. > > Then, should the students in small towns who do not get facilities > > like the metropolitans be allowed cheating in board exams? > > > > > > On 6/25/19, Austin Pinto wrote: > >> yes. > >> like for example what is the use of direction and boats and streems > >> in banking i dont know. such questions are asked in exams. > >> > >> On 6/25/19, Rohit Trivedi wrote: > >>> I suggest that all V I Bankers shoul deliberate upon the tasks they > >>> can take up after they the job. The candidates must be tested on > >>> skill sets which they require in bank. > >>> > >>> I feel they must be tested for communication skills, both verbal and > >>> writing skills , computer, and adequate knowledge of banking > >>> procedures and finance. > >>> > >>> When the vacancies are year marked for them why should be require > >>> appear in the exam with the general lot. This requires in-depth > >>> thinking, research and of course lot of advocacy . Because those who > >>> are competent and are not able to get the writer who can help them > >>> in the exam get left out. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > >>> Windows > >>> 10 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ___
Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.
Well said! Don’t know about other states, but, in Karnataka, no special schools introduced the maths and science in there high school level, except ramana maha rushi school. also, the education system has gone completely down compared to the previous years. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia On Behalf Of gunjan kumari Sent: 27 June 2019 16:11 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person. The discussion is so compelling that I can’t resist commenting. No defence for those who pay thousands to get through the competitive exams! After all, it is they who prove the poet Yeats’ statement: “The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity”. But the fault lies within our education system too. There is a lot of lacunae in elementary and primary education system meant to support the students with visual impairment. In this scenario, it becomes solely the responsibility of an individual with blindness to cope with her/his problems if they wish to stand at par with sighted students. And, of course, everyone is not well-equipped emotionally, morally, ethically and sometime financially to act in this direction. So, one of the ways to cope with this situation can be to follow the exam patterns suggested by Rohit and other members for people with blindness for such exams till we reform our education system at large. And, I must point out, Payal Ma’am, you always raise such thought-provoking and worth-reflecting issues that no sensitive person can remain untouched by them! Thanks and regards Gunjan On 6/26/19, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: > Actually, the problem lies on both sides of the spectrum. While it is > true that the pattern of the paper doesn't reflect the characteristics > of banking for questioning, yet the fact of paid scribes destroying > the legitimacy of the whole process can't be denied altogether. > If we justify the use of scribes for any reason under the sun, then it > can open up a pandora box. > Then, should the students in small towns who do not get facilities > like the metropolitans be allowed cheating in board exams? > > > On 6/25/19, Austin Pinto wrote: >> yes. >> like for example what is the use of direction and boats and streems >> in banking i dont know. such questions are asked in exams. >> >> On 6/25/19, Rohit Trivedi wrote: >>> I suggest that all V I Bankers shoul deliberate upon the tasks they >>> can take up after they the job. The candidates must be tested on >>> skill sets which they require in bank. >>> >>> I feel they must be tested for communication skills, both verbal and >>> writing skills , computer, and adequate knowledge of banking >>> procedures and finance. >>> >>> When the vacancies are year marked for them why should be require >>> appear in the exam with the general lot. This requires in-depth >>> thinking, research and of course lot of advocacy . Because those who >>> are competent and are not able to get the writer who can help them >>> in the exam get left out. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >>> Windows >>> 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________ >>> From: AccessIndia on behalf of >>> Prerna Sobti >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:22:04 PM >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning >>> the disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared >>> by >>> a >>> scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person. >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> Very interesting chain of post! To the reality might be that people are >>> getting paid scribers but that is because of the increase in the level of >>> competition and lack of facilities else nobody wants to challenge their >>> ethics >>> I know few of the bankers who face daily challenge from the co-workers >>> saying that because they are visually impaired they get everything >>> easily! >>> They put? On the competency of visually impaired candidates which is very >>> sad as pointed out in this email visually impaired people are far better >>> competent because they do logical reasoning X Sectra without the help of >>> visual assistance or use of rough sheets! We cannot judge everybody in >>> the >>> same category thank you ve
Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.
The discussion is so compelling that I can’t resist commenting. No defence for those who pay thousands to get through the competitive exams! After all, it is they who prove the poet Yeats’ statement: “The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity”. But the fault lies within our education system too. There is a lot of lacunae in elementary and primary education system meant to support the students with visual impairment. In this scenario, it becomes solely the responsibility of an individual with blindness to cope with her/his problems if they wish to stand at par with sighted students. And, of course, everyone is not well-equipped emotionally, morally, ethically and sometime financially to act in this direction. So, one of the ways to cope with this situation can be to follow the exam patterns suggested by Rohit and other members for people with blindness for such exams till we reform our education system at large. And, I must point out, Payal Ma’am, you always raise such thought-provoking and worth-reflecting issues that no sensitive person can remain untouched by them! Thanks and regards Gunjan On 6/26/19, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: > Actually, the problem lies on both sides of the spectrum. While it is > true that the pattern of the paper doesn't reflect the characteristics > of banking for questioning, yet the fact of paid scribes destroying > the legitimacy of the whole process can't be denied altogether. > If we justify the use of scribes for any reason under the sun, then it > can open up a pandora box. > Then, should the students in small towns who do not get facilities > like the metropolitans be allowed cheating in board exams? > > > On 6/25/19, Austin Pinto wrote: >> yes. >> like for example what is the use of direction and boats and streems in >> banking i dont know. such questions are asked in exams. >> >> On 6/25/19, Rohit Trivedi wrote: >>> I suggest that all V I Bankers shoul deliberate upon the tasks they can >>> take >>> up after they the job. The candidates must be tested on skill sets which >>> they require in bank. >>> >>> I feel they must be tested for communication skills, both verbal and >>> writing >>> skills , computer, and adequate knowledge of banking procedures and >>> finance. >>> >>> When the vacancies are year marked for them why should be require appear >>> in >>> the exam with the general lot. This requires in-depth thinking, research >>> and >>> of course lot of advocacy . Because those who are competent and are not >>> able >>> to get the writer who can help them in the exam get left out. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >>> Windows >>> 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________ >>> From: AccessIndia on behalf of >>> Prerna Sobti >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:22:04 PM >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning >>> the disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared >>> by >>> a >>> scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person. >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> Very interesting chain of post! To the reality might be that people are >>> getting paid scribers but that is because of the increase in the level of >>> competition and lack of facilities else nobody wants to challenge their >>> ethics >>> I know few of the bankers who face daily challenge from the co-workers >>> saying that because they are visually impaired they get everything >>> easily! >>> They put? On the competency of visually impaired candidates which is very >>> sad as pointed out in this email visually impaired people are far better >>> competent because they do logical reasoning X Sectra without the help of >>> visual assistance or use of rough sheets! We cannot judge everybody in >>> the >>> same category thank you very much for bringing this to everybody’s notice >>> Payal >>> >>> Prerna Sobti >>> >>>> On 25-Jun-2019, at 4:32 PM, Asudani, Rajesh >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> All other things are usual routine. >>>> Except maybe, the issue of maths and reasoning being solved by VI. >>>> Maybe, it is really unrealistic to expect that much of mental >>>> processing. >>>> But we have done it ourselves... >>>> >>>> Maybe, the level wa
Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.
Actually, the problem lies on both sides of the spectrum. While it is true that the pattern of the paper doesn't reflect the characteristics of banking for questioning, yet the fact of paid scribes destroying the legitimacy of the whole process can't be denied altogether. If we justify the use of scribes for any reason under the sun, then it can open up a pandora box. Then, should the students in small towns who do not get facilities like the metropolitans be allowed cheating in board exams? On 6/25/19, Austin Pinto wrote: > yes. > like for example what is the use of direction and boats and streems in > banking i dont know. such questions are asked in exams. > > On 6/25/19, Rohit Trivedi wrote: >> I suggest that all V I Bankers shoul deliberate upon the tasks they can >> take >> up after they the job. The candidates must be tested on skill sets which >> they require in bank. >> >> I feel they must be tested for communication skills, both verbal and >> writing >> skills , computer, and adequate knowledge of banking procedures and >> finance. >> >> When the vacancies are year marked for them why should be require appear >> in >> the exam with the general lot. This requires in-depth thinking, research >> and >> of course lot of advocacy . Because those who are competent and are not >> able >> to get the writer who can help them in the exam get left out. >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows >> 10 >> >> >> >> >> From: AccessIndia on behalf of >> Prerna Sobti >> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:22:04 PM >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning >> the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by >> a >> scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person. >> >> Hi >> >> Very interesting chain of post! To the reality might be that people are >> getting paid scribers but that is because of the increase in the level of >> competition and lack of facilities else nobody wants to challenge their >> ethics >> I know few of the bankers who face daily challenge from the co-workers >> saying that because they are visually impaired they get everything easily! >> They put? On the competency of visually impaired candidates which is very >> sad as pointed out in this email visually impaired people are far better >> competent because they do logical reasoning X Sectra without the help of >> visual assistance or use of rough sheets! We cannot judge everybody in the >> same category thank you very much for bringing this to everybody’s notice >> Payal >> >> Prerna Sobti >> >>> On 25-Jun-2019, at 4:32 PM, Asudani, Rajesh >>> wrote: >>> >>> All other things are usual routine. >>> Except maybe, the issue of maths and reasoning being solved by VI. >>> Maybe, it is really unrealistic to expect that much of mental processing. >>> But we have done it ourselves... >>> >>> Maybe, the level was easier about two decades ago... >>> >>> >>> But what do you do when critical majority are bringing in scribes in a >>> package by paying almost half a lack rupees. >>> Excuse me for revealing current market rates!! >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf Of Payal Kapoor >>> Sent: 25 June 2019 14:56 >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning >>> the disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared >>> by >>> a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person. >>> >>> thanks for the transcribe Austin. >>> >>>> On 6/25/19, Austin Pinto wrote: >>>> these are all the messages by Harsh >>>> @harsh6363 on this subject unchanged and its in 1 thread. >>>> >>>> Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about >>>> it. >>>> >>>> Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his >>>> scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how >>>> the process worked. >>>> I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker. >>>> This was for SBI clerk prelim exam, which was scheduled for 4:30-6 PM >>>> on Pow
Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.
yes. like for example what is the use of direction and boats and streems in banking i dont know. such questions are asked in exams. On 6/25/19, Rohit Trivedi wrote: > I suggest that all V I Bankers shoul deliberate upon the tasks they can take > up after they the job. The candidates must be tested on skill sets which > they require in bank. > > I feel they must be tested for communication skills, both verbal and writing > skills , computer, and adequate knowledge of banking procedures and > finance. > > When the vacancies are year marked for them why should be require appear in > the exam with the general lot. This requires in-depth thinking, research and > of course lot of advocacy . Because those who are competent and are not able > to get the writer who can help them in the exam get left out. > > > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows > 10 > > > > > From: AccessIndia on behalf of > Prerna Sobti > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:22:04 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a > scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person. > > Hi > > Very interesting chain of post! To the reality might be that people are > getting paid scribers but that is because of the increase in the level of > competition and lack of facilities else nobody wants to challenge their > ethics > I know few of the bankers who face daily challenge from the co-workers > saying that because they are visually impaired they get everything easily! > They put? On the competency of visually impaired candidates which is very > sad as pointed out in this email visually impaired people are far better > competent because they do logical reasoning X Sectra without the help of > visual assistance or use of rough sheets! We cannot judge everybody in the > same category thank you very much for bringing this to everybody’s notice > Payal > > Prerna Sobti > >> On 25-Jun-2019, at 4:32 PM, Asudani, Rajesh >> wrote: >> >> All other things are usual routine. >> Except maybe, the issue of maths and reasoning being solved by VI. >> Maybe, it is really unrealistic to expect that much of mental processing. >> But we have done it ourselves... >> >> Maybe, the level was easier about two decades ago... >> >> >> But what do you do when critical majority are bringing in scribes in a >> package by paying almost half a lack rupees. >> Excuse me for revealing current market rates!! >> >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Payal Kapoor >> Sent: 25 June 2019 14:56 >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning >> the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by >> a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person. >> >> thanks for the transcribe Austin. >> >>> On 6/25/19, Austin Pinto wrote: >>> these are all the messages by Harsh >>> @harsh6363 on this subject unchanged and its in 1 thread. >>> >>> Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about >>> it. >>> >>> Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his >>> scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how >>> the process worked. >>> I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker. >>> This was for SBI clerk prelim exam, which was scheduled for 4:30-6 PM >>> on Powai. >>> People with disability and without disability were taking the exam >>> together at the same centre. >>> As the candidate I was assisting arrived, we entered the centre. First >>> shock was here, when I realised apart from having just a separate >>> entrance, there was nothing done to assist these folks. >>> What I mean is, no was ensuring that a proper queue is maintained. >>> No one was telling scribe, who were there for the first time as to >>> what they need to do or make sure. The staff sitting at enrollment >>> letter checking counter was borderline rude. >>> After getting scribe form and attaching his and mine documents, we >>> were told to go to examination hall. Before any person could proceed >>> to examination hall, they were to supposed to keep bags in shelves >>> which were kept in an area which seemed like parking area of the >>> bui
Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.
I suggest that all V I Bankers shoul deliberate upon the tasks they can take up after they the job. The candidates must be tested on skill sets which they require in bank. I feel they must be tested for communication skills, both verbal and writing skills , computer, and adequate knowledge of banking procedures and finance. When the vacancies are year marked for them why should be require appear in the exam with the general lot. This requires in-depth thinking, research and of course lot of advocacy . Because those who are competent and are not able to get the writer who can help them in the exam get left out. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: AccessIndia on behalf of Prerna Sobti Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:22:04 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person. Hi Very interesting chain of post! To the reality might be that people are getting paid scribers but that is because of the increase in the level of competition and lack of facilities else nobody wants to challenge their ethics I know few of the bankers who face daily challenge from the co-workers saying that because they are visually impaired they get everything easily! They put? On the competency of visually impaired candidates which is very sad as pointed out in this email visually impaired people are far better competent because they do logical reasoning X Sectra without the help of visual assistance or use of rough sheets! We cannot judge everybody in the same category thank you very much for bringing this to everybody’s notice Payal Prerna Sobti > On 25-Jun-2019, at 4:32 PM, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > > All other things are usual routine. > Except maybe, the issue of maths and reasoning being solved by VI. > Maybe, it is really unrealistic to expect that much of mental processing. > But we have done it ourselves... > > Maybe, the level was easier about two decades ago... > > > But what do you do when critical majority are bringing in scribes in a > package by paying almost half a lack rupees. > Excuse me for revealing current market rates!! > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Payal Kapoor > Sent: 25 June 2019 14:56 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a > scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person. > > thanks for the transcribe Austin. > >> On 6/25/19, Austin Pinto wrote: >> these are all the messages by Harsh >> @harsh6363 on this subject unchanged and its in 1 thread. >> >> Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about it. >> >> Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his >> scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how >> the process worked. >> I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker. >> This was for SBI clerk prelim exam, which was scheduled for 4:30-6 PM >> on Powai. >> People with disability and without disability were taking the exam >> together at the same centre. >> As the candidate I was assisting arrived, we entered the centre. First >> shock was here, when I realised apart from having just a separate >> entrance, there was nothing done to assist these folks. >> What I mean is, no was ensuring that a proper queue is maintained. >> No one was telling scribe, who were there for the first time as to >> what they need to do or make sure. The staff sitting at enrollment >> letter checking counter was borderline rude. >> After getting scribe form and attaching his and mine documents, we >> were told to go to examination hall. Before any person could proceed >> to examination hall, they were to supposed to keep bags in shelves >> which were kept in an area which seemed like parking area of the >> building. >> Since a person cannot take mobile to hall, all were supposed to keep >> them in their bags and keep those bags in those shelves. Another >> shocker here, there was no lock facility here and the way crowd was >> just all over the place, no wonder if anything gets stolen from here. >> Imagine going for an exam, you are already stressed, then no >> arrangements for people with disability, and then having to leave all >> your stuff just like that, out on open with no to be accountable if >> anything gets stolen. >> After this, I
Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.
Hi Very interesting chain of post! To the reality might be that people are getting paid scribers but that is because of the increase in the level of competition and lack of facilities else nobody wants to challenge their ethics I know few of the bankers who face daily challenge from the co-workers saying that because they are visually impaired they get everything easily! They put? On the competency of visually impaired candidates which is very sad as pointed out in this email visually impaired people are far better competent because they do logical reasoning X Sectra without the help of visual assistance or use of rough sheets! We cannot judge everybody in the same category thank you very much for bringing this to everybody’s notice Payal Prerna Sobti > On 25-Jun-2019, at 4:32 PM, Asudani, Rajesh wrote: > > All other things are usual routine. > Except maybe, the issue of maths and reasoning being solved by VI. > Maybe, it is really unrealistic to expect that much of mental processing. > But we have done it ourselves... > > Maybe, the level was easier about two decades ago... > > > But what do you do when critical majority are bringing in scribes in a > package by paying almost half a lack rupees. > Excuse me for revealing current market rates!! > > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Payal Kapoor > Sent: 25 June 2019 14:56 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a > scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person. > > thanks for the transcribe Austin. > >> On 6/25/19, Austin Pinto wrote: >> these are all the messages by Harsh >> @harsh6363 on this subject unchanged and its in 1 thread. >> >> Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about it. >> >> Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his >> scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how >> the process worked. >> I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker. >> This was for SBI clerk prelim exam, which was scheduled for 4:30-6 PM >> on Powai. >> People with disability and without disability were taking the exam >> together at the same centre. >> As the candidate I was assisting arrived, we entered the centre. First >> shock was here, when I realised apart from having just a separate >> entrance, there was nothing done to assist these folks. >> What I mean is, no was ensuring that a proper queue is maintained. >> No one was telling scribe, who were there for the first time as to >> what they need to do or make sure. The staff sitting at enrollment >> letter checking counter was borderline rude. >> After getting scribe form and attaching his and mine documents, we >> were told to go to examination hall. Before any person could proceed >> to examination hall, they were to supposed to keep bags in shelves >> which were kept in an area which seemed like parking area of the >> building. >> Since a person cannot take mobile to hall, all were supposed to keep >> them in their bags and keep those bags in those shelves. Another >> shocker here, there was no lock facility here and the way crowd was >> just all over the place, no wonder if anything gets stolen from here. >> Imagine going for an exam, you are already stressed, then no >> arrangements for people with disability, and then having to leave all >> your stuff just like that, out on open with no to be accountable if >> anything gets stolen. >> After this, I took this candidate to his respective examination hall. >> If not more, this hall was meant for minimum of 60 candidates plus >> their scribes. With scribes, that makes 120 people in one hall. A >> training hall where each desk has one system and seating for one ONLY. >> But in such a facility, almost 120 of us were seated, shoulder to shoulder. >> As I didn't know what the process is how I am to help this person, I >> was waiting and thinking may be they'll tell something, some basic >> guidelines and guidance, but no. >> Absolutely no help from the staff assisting there or the invigilators. >> What they were focused on was to just get the goddam signature/thumb >> impression and that's it. >> Coming to the exam. The exam was entirely on computer. >> So, how it works is, the questions will be served, the scribe has to >> read the question and the options and candidate has to tell the >> scribe, what answer option they wish to mark. >&g
Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.
All other things are usual routine. Except maybe, the issue of maths and reasoning being solved by VI. Maybe, it is really unrealistic to expect that much of mental processing. But we have done it ourselves... Maybe, the level was easier about two decades ago... But what do you do when critical majority are bringing in scribes in a package by paying almost half a lack rupees. Excuse me for revealing current market rates!! -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Payal Kapoor Sent: 25 June 2019 14:56 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person. thanks for the transcribe Austin. On 6/25/19, Austin Pinto wrote: > these are all the messages by Harsh > @harsh6363 on this subject unchanged and its in 1 thread. > > Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about it. > > Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his > scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how > the process worked. > I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker. > This was for SBI clerk prelim exam, which was scheduled for 4:30-6 PM > on Powai. > People with disability and without disability were taking the exam > together at the same centre. > As the candidate I was assisting arrived, we entered the centre. First > shock was here, when I realised apart from having just a separate > entrance, there was nothing done to assist these folks. > What I mean is, no was ensuring that a proper queue is maintained. > No one was telling scribe, who were there for the first time as to > what they need to do or make sure. The staff sitting at enrollment > letter checking counter was borderline rude. > After getting scribe form and attaching his and mine documents, we > were told to go to examination hall. Before any person could proceed > to examination hall, they were to supposed to keep bags in shelves > which were kept in an area which seemed like parking area of the > building. > Since a person cannot take mobile to hall, all were supposed to keep > them in their bags and keep those bags in those shelves. Another > shocker here, there was no lock facility here and the way crowd was > just all over the place, no wonder if anything gets stolen from here. > Imagine going for an exam, you are already stressed, then no > arrangements for people with disability, and then having to leave all > your stuff just like that, out on open with no to be accountable if > anything gets stolen. > After this, I took this candidate to his respective examination hall. > If not more, this hall was meant for minimum of 60 candidates plus > their scribes. With scribes, that makes 120 people in one hall. A > training hall where each desk has one system and seating for one ONLY. > But in such a facility, almost 120 of us were seated, shoulder to shoulder. > As I didn't know what the process is how I am to help this person, I > was waiting and thinking may be they'll tell something, some basic > guidelines and guidance, but no. > Absolutely no help from the staff assisting there or the invigilators. > What they were focused on was to just get the goddam signature/thumb > impression and that's it. > Coming to the exam. The exam was entirely on computer. > So, how it works is, the questions will be served, the scribe has to > read the question and the options and candidate has to tell the > scribe, what answer option they wish to mark. > For people with disability, the ONLY extra bit was they'd get 20 > MINUTES EXTRA to attempt the paper, the paper which is same for people > with disability and without disability. > To put things in perspective, imagine sitting for an exam, where the > difficulty level of exam is same for all, but a person without > disability is reading and processing the questions and options all by > their own self and also, they can write themselves use rough sheet. > Now, considering a person with disability, for whom the scribe has to > read the question, explain the options, this candidate, has to process > this information, in case of VI, they cannot write because well, > obviously. > To add to that, 60 scribes are reading questions and options to their > respective candidates in a room, where all are sitting shoulder to > shoulder. How is anyone supposed to take the exam like that, HOW. > Coming to the exam paper. > The questions were same for people with disability and people without > one. To put things in perspective, a person with disability has to > attempt same questions the only difference
Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.
and these are other peoples replies to the same thread. yash @yadsul I too have helped the visually challenged people write exams in Podar college the arrangements were quite good, it was a mixture of regular and challenged students, it was a written exam so I used to read out the question and she used to dictate her answer. Sukhada / سُکهَدا Is there a common platform for people to register as scribes? yash We usually get messages on WhatsApp but check out this handle @ummehaani13 , she herself is a visually challenged person and an acheiver, she usually posts requirements as and when they arise. We can do so much to help out. Sukhada / سُکهَدا Absolutely agree - so much more to do Neeraj Kumar Thank you for the describing the pathetic state of affairs that we have in some of the govt system. Total lack of responsibility! Elephant Lord God bless you! India is a very bad place for disabled people! Forget sympathy, people make crude jokes, ask why extra privilege etc. This experience of yours would have revealed what a dog eat dog world we have become! Dog Mother Emoji: Leo Really sad. And that must have been tough and challenging. Very nice of you to voice this out and also to help the candidate! Kapil Chopra Amazing thread ! Thank you for sharing Harsh. You are the agent of change. shahnazb This is heartbreaking. Gandhian with a Keyboard Firstly, 20 minutes by itself sounds trivial but it must have been a 60 minutes Exam so it's 1/3rd the time. Secondly, they are being judged against Candidates of their own kind on the same parameters. Also, the Cut-Offs for Visually Impaired Candidates sometimes breaches... that of the Orthopedically Handicapped/ST candidates because a lot of these Scribes are Paid 'Scholars'. Not saying that facilities shouldn't be better for Law-abiding Visually Impaired Candidates but do consider all aspects. Slick Dude, you need to lower your expectations!! Empathy, humanity , ethics -- nothing. This is "no country for disabled people". Had it been western countries or developed, you can expect. You need to accept the reality/fact that no privileges will be given to disabled people. Tamarella Emoji: Rainbow flag Do you want to tag the institutes or someone else concerned to this thread? On 6/25/19, Austin Pinto wrote: > these are all the messages by Harsh > @harsh6363 on this subject unchanged and its in 1 thread. > > Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about it. > > Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his > scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how > the process worked. > I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker. > This was for SBI clerk prelim exam, which was scheduled for 4:30-6 PM on > Powai. > People with disability and without disability were taking the exam > together at the same centre. > As the candidate I was assisting arrived, we entered the centre. First > shock was here, when I realised apart from having just a separate > entrance, there was nothing done to assist these folks. > What I mean is, no was ensuring that a proper queue is maintained. > No one was telling scribe, who were there for the first time as to > what they need to do or make sure. The staff sitting at enrollment > letter checking counter was borderline rude. > After getting scribe form and attaching his and mine documents, we > were told to go to examination hall. Before any person could proceed > to examination hall, they were to supposed to keep bags in shelves > which were kept in an area which seemed like parking area of the > building. > Since a person cannot take mobile to hall, all were supposed to keep > them in their bags and keep those bags in those shelves. Another > shocker here, there was no lock facility here and the way crowd was > just all over the place, no wonder if anything gets stolen from here. > Imagine going for an exam, you are already stressed, then no > arrangements for people with disability, and then having to leave all > your stuff just like that, out on open with no to be accountable if > anything gets stolen. > After this, I took this candidate to his respective examination hall. > If not more, this hall was meant for minimum of 60 candidates plus > their scribes. With scribes, that makes 120 people in one hall. A > training hall where each desk has one system and seating for one ONLY. > But in such a facility, almost 120 of us were seated, shoulder to shoulder. > As I didn't know what the process is how I am to help this person, I > was waiting and thinking may be they'll tell something, some basic > guidelines and guidance, but no. > Absolutely no help from the staff assisting there or the invigilators. > What they were focused on was to just get the goddam signature/thumb > impression and that's it. > Coming to the exam. The exam was entirely on computer. > So, how it works is, the questions will be served, the scribe has to > read the question and the options and ca
Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.
thanks for the transcribe Austin. On 6/25/19, Austin Pinto wrote: > these are all the messages by Harsh > @harsh6363 on this subject unchanged and its in 1 thread. > > Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about it. > > Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his > scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how > the process worked. > I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker. > This was for SBI clerk prelim exam, which was scheduled for 4:30-6 PM on > Powai. > People with disability and without disability were taking the exam > together at the same centre. > As the candidate I was assisting arrived, we entered the centre. First > shock was here, when I realised apart from having just a separate > entrance, there was nothing done to assist these folks. > What I mean is, no was ensuring that a proper queue is maintained. > No one was telling scribe, who were there for the first time as to > what they need to do or make sure. The staff sitting at enrollment > letter checking counter was borderline rude. > After getting scribe form and attaching his and mine documents, we > were told to go to examination hall. Before any person could proceed > to examination hall, they were to supposed to keep bags in shelves > which were kept in an area which seemed like parking area of the > building. > Since a person cannot take mobile to hall, all were supposed to keep > them in their bags and keep those bags in those shelves. Another > shocker here, there was no lock facility here and the way crowd was > just all over the place, no wonder if anything gets stolen from here. > Imagine going for an exam, you are already stressed, then no > arrangements for people with disability, and then having to leave all > your stuff just like that, out on open with no to be accountable if > anything gets stolen. > After this, I took this candidate to his respective examination hall. > If not more, this hall was meant for minimum of 60 candidates plus > their scribes. With scribes, that makes 120 people in one hall. A > training hall where each desk has one system and seating for one ONLY. > But in such a facility, almost 120 of us were seated, shoulder to shoulder. > As I didn't know what the process is how I am to help this person, I > was waiting and thinking may be they'll tell something, some basic > guidelines and guidance, but no. > Absolutely no help from the staff assisting there or the invigilators. > What they were focused on was to just get the goddam signature/thumb > impression and that's it. > Coming to the exam. The exam was entirely on computer. > So, how it works is, the questions will be served, the scribe has to > read the question and the options and candidate has to tell the > scribe, what answer option they wish to mark. > For people with disability, the ONLY extra bit was they'd get 20 > MINUTES EXTRA to attempt the paper, the paper which is same for people > with disability and without disability. > To put things in perspective, imagine sitting for an exam, where the > difficulty level of exam is same for all, but a person without > disability is reading and processing the questions and options all by > their own self and also, they can write themselves use rough sheet. > Now, considering a person with disability, for whom the scribe has to > read the question, explain the options, this candidate, has to process > this information, in case of VI, they cannot write because well, > obviously. > To add to that, 60 scribes are reading questions and options to their > respective candidates in a room, where all are sitting shoulder to > shoulder. How is anyone supposed to take the exam like that, HOW. > Coming to the exam paper. > The questions were same for people with disability and people without > one. To put things in perspective, a person with disability has to > attempt same questions the only difference being the person gets 20 > mins extra. > So basically imagine, you are assisting a visually impaired (VI) > person, for whom, you'd read out the questions and options, that > person has to retain that information and then tell the scribe what > option to choose. > Now imagine, a logical reasoning questions, arrangement type question, > where there are 7 things to be arranged, there are a few rules in > question, this goes here and that goes there and all of it, and having > to retain all that information without writing. > And then, figuring out the entire arrangement and telling your scribe > which option to choose. > There were 10+ questions based on this format on Logical Reasoning section. > Coming to english section, questions were like arrangement of > sentences to form a paragraph. FIB, identify wrong usage of word of > spelling. > I could see how the candidate I was with struggling to process this. > Like you have to retain all the information and answer. > And similarly, math section. > > Coming to issues. > 1. Why no proper
Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.
these are all the messages by Harsh @harsh6363 on this subject unchanged and its in 1 thread. Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about it. Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how the process worked. I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker. This was for SBI clerk prelim exam, which was scheduled for 4:30-6 PM on Powai. People with disability and without disability were taking the exam together at the same centre. As the candidate I was assisting arrived, we entered the centre. First shock was here, when I realised apart from having just a separate entrance, there was nothing done to assist these folks. What I mean is, no was ensuring that a proper queue is maintained. No one was telling scribe, who were there for the first time as to what they need to do or make sure. The staff sitting at enrollment letter checking counter was borderline rude. After getting scribe form and attaching his and mine documents, we were told to go to examination hall. Before any person could proceed to examination hall, they were to supposed to keep bags in shelves which were kept in an area which seemed like parking area of the building. Since a person cannot take mobile to hall, all were supposed to keep them in their bags and keep those bags in those shelves. Another shocker here, there was no lock facility here and the way crowd was just all over the place, no wonder if anything gets stolen from here. Imagine going for an exam, you are already stressed, then no arrangements for people with disability, and then having to leave all your stuff just like that, out on open with no to be accountable if anything gets stolen. After this, I took this candidate to his respective examination hall. If not more, this hall was meant for minimum of 60 candidates plus their scribes. With scribes, that makes 120 people in one hall. A training hall where each desk has one system and seating for one ONLY. But in such a facility, almost 120 of us were seated, shoulder to shoulder. As I didn't know what the process is how I am to help this person, I was waiting and thinking may be they'll tell something, some basic guidelines and guidance, but no. Absolutely no help from the staff assisting there or the invigilators. What they were focused on was to just get the goddam signature/thumb impression and that's it. Coming to the exam. The exam was entirely on computer. So, how it works is, the questions will be served, the scribe has to read the question and the options and candidate has to tell the scribe, what answer option they wish to mark. For people with disability, the ONLY extra bit was they'd get 20 MINUTES EXTRA to attempt the paper, the paper which is same for people with disability and without disability. To put things in perspective, imagine sitting for an exam, where the difficulty level of exam is same for all, but a person without disability is reading and processing the questions and options all by their own self and also, they can write themselves use rough sheet. Now, considering a person with disability, for whom the scribe has to read the question, explain the options, this candidate, has to process this information, in case of VI, they cannot write because well, obviously. To add to that, 60 scribes are reading questions and options to their respective candidates in a room, where all are sitting shoulder to shoulder. How is anyone supposed to take the exam like that, HOW. Coming to the exam paper. The questions were same for people with disability and people without one. To put things in perspective, a person with disability has to attempt same questions the only difference being the person gets 20 mins extra. So basically imagine, you are assisting a visually impaired (VI) person, for whom, you'd read out the questions and options, that person has to retain that information and then tell the scribe what option to choose. Now imagine, a logical reasoning questions, arrangement type question, where there are 7 things to be arranged, there are a few rules in question, this goes here and that goes there and all of it, and having to retain all that information without writing. And then, figuring out the entire arrangement and telling your scribe which option to choose. There were 10+ questions based on this format on Logical Reasoning section. Coming to english section, questions were like arrangement of sentences to form a paragraph. FIB, identify wrong usage of word of spelling. I could see how the candidate I was with struggling to process this. Like you have to retain all the information and answer. And similarly, math section. Coming to issues. 1. Why no proper arrangements for helping people with disability. If authorities don't even care then why even make arrangement. 2. Why no proper arrangements to keep stuff? 3. Why can't staff be a bit more considerate? 4. Why can't the examination hall be
Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.
here it is. i was able to open it from the conversation so presumed everyone would. i hope this works: https://twitter.com/harsh6363/status/1142694845766492160?s=11 On 6/25/19, Akash Kakkar wrote: > can you please provide the link for the tweet? > > On 6/25/19, Payal Kapoor wrote: >> hi, >> this might not be visible for folks who don't use Twitter, and i >> couldn't figure how to copy the content of the entire thread of almost >> 22 tweets. >> in essence, a scribe who went to assist in writing the SBI exam. he >> has brought forth the apathy and thoughtlessness in the entire process >> which is worth a read. >> it begs to be escalated and brought to the attention of authorities. i >> am certain there must have been some method to the madness, when this >> whole process was being put into place. i also know we have a vibrant >> and active community of visually impaired bankers on top of things. >> however, this reflects a lot on its own. >> if someone can figure how to get the thread in text, i'm sure many of >> you here would see what i mean. >> Read on... >> >> Harsh (@harsh6363) >> 23/06/19, 12:54 PM >> Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about >> it. >> >> Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his >> scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how >> the process worked. >> I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker. >> 1/n >> >> Download the Twitter app >> >> >> Payal >> >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the >> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails >> sent through this mailing list.. >> >> > > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > > Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.
can you please provide the link for the tweet? On 6/25/19, Payal Kapoor wrote: > hi, > this might not be visible for folks who don't use Twitter, and i > couldn't figure how to copy the content of the entire thread of almost > 22 tweets. > in essence, a scribe who went to assist in writing the SBI exam. he > has brought forth the apathy and thoughtlessness in the entire process > which is worth a read. > it begs to be escalated and brought to the attention of authorities. i > am certain there must have been some method to the madness, when this > whole process was being put into place. i also know we have a vibrant > and active community of visually impaired bankers on top of things. > however, this reflects a lot on its own. > if someone can figure how to get the thread in text, i'm sure many of > you here would see what i mean. > Read on... > > Harsh (@harsh6363) > 23/06/19, 12:54 PM > Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about it. > > Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his > scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how > the process worked. > I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker. > 1/n > > Download the Twitter app > > > Payal > > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > > Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
[AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.
hi, this might not be visible for folks who don't use Twitter, and i couldn't figure how to copy the content of the entire thread of almost 22 tweets. in essence, a scribe who went to assist in writing the SBI exam. he has brought forth the apathy and thoughtlessness in the entire process which is worth a read. it begs to be escalated and brought to the attention of authorities. i am certain there must have been some method to the madness, when this whole process was being put into place. i also know we have a vibrant and active community of visually impaired bankers on top of things. however, this reflects a lot on its own. if someone can figure how to get the thread in text, i'm sure many of you here would see what i mean. Read on... Harsh (@harsh6363) 23/06/19, 12:54 PM Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about it. Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how the process worked. I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker. 1/n Download the Twitter app Payal Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
