Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[Pranav Lal]

Yes, if you are referring to the Saksham / IIT smart cane. 

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Subject: Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

Hello! If this device is detach from the stick, does it helps us if obstacles
are infront of us?

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Hi Anirban,

Yes the device can be used without the cane. The result that you get from the
device is dependent on where you point it and not on if a cane is attached to
it. I frequently detach the device and carry it with me without the cane.

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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[raaju]

Hello! If this device is detach from the stick, does it helps us if
obstacles are infront of us?

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Subject: Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

Hi Anirban,

Yes the device can be used without the cane. The result that you get from
the
device is dependent on where you point it and not on if a cane is attached
to
it. I frequently detach the device and carry it with me without the cane.

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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[Pranav Lal]

Hi Aaruni,

Indeed, sensory augmentation is the approach I use. I need to navigate my office
and encounter several colleagues who are listening on their phones therefore are
not making a noise. mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of
Aaruni Sharma
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

Hi Pranab, I have to move in the college campus which includes corridors as well
as open spaces. Though I do rely on the sounds in the surroundings one will have
to augment the capabilities with the help of Ausion-like device.
Thanks for your tips.

On 12 December 2015 at 19:19, Pranav Lal <pranav@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Aaruni,
>
> Ah your situation is similar to mine except that I navigate in the 
> office and jabbing your colleagues with a stick is not the best idea 
> though it is extremely tempting. Ausion and the smart Cane from 
> Saksham / IIT will alert you to an obstacle like a human. Orientation 
> is trickier. When I use the vOICe, I am able to get a scan ahead of 
> me. I focus towards open spaces and walk. If I find objects on either 
> side, I reduce speed. If an object I detected on my left changes 
> position, it is possible that I have changed direction in which case I 
> make a course correction. You could do the same thing if you elect to 
> go this way or use Ausion to quickly scan your environment as you 
> walk. As long as you do not have an obstacle ahead of you, you are 
> oriented correctly.
>
> Mind you, you will use your other skills such as passive echo location 
> to determine if you are in a closed space or not. Remember, people 
> make noise which is a good indicator of distance to them etc.
>
> The way sighted people orient themselves is that before they start 
> walking, they fix a visual destination and move towards that. You 
> could do this using the vOICe or you go step-by-step in the general 
> direction until you reach your destination.
>
>
> Pranav
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Aaruni Sharma
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 2:28 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled. <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Subject: Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?
>
> Hi Pranab, thanks for your detailed explanation. Actually I want this 
> device primarily for my college use. I no the environmental settings 
> but feel the need for something which would alert me of people 
> standing in the corridors. I must admit that I find the walking stick 
> unsuitable because
> often there is a chance of bumping into somebody   and I find the stick
> obtrusive. Echo location is a good thing but there is not much chance 
> of acquiring advanced capability without a proper expert guidance. I 
> also find walking in a straight line quite challenging and I am 
> interested to know how Ausion can help.
> Thanks,
>
>
> On 12 December 2015 at 07:25, Pranav Lal <pranav@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Aaruni,
> >
> > The Ausion is similar to the K-sonar though at a fraction of the cost.
> > It is primarily meant for above chest level obstacles. You hold the 
> > device in your hand and scan your environment. I am planning to 
> > order it for testing. I have the IIT device. Again, you need to scan 
> > your environment and you get tactile feedback in terms of different 
> > vibration patterns based on distance. In most tactile based systems, 
> > you do not get a sense of texture. You may get this in the ausion 
> > and in the K-Sonar because they support continuous scanning and can 
> > better render texture information using sound.
> >
> > The question though is what do you mean by better mobility? If it is 
> > detecting drop offs and steps, there appears to be nothing to match 
> > the white cane.
> > The
> > EyeCane may have a fighting chance but I do not know if it is 
> > commercially available. If you navigate in office spaces, then the 
> > smart cane and the ausion may work just as well.
> >
> > The thing with any aid using ultrasound is that it does not answer 
> > the question "what." You know something is there but you need to 
> > build a database of sound patterns to identify the obstacle. 
> > However, if you take something like the vOICe, it will tell you what 
> > you are looking at but it is not particularly good at rendering distance
information.
> > As of this writing, you need to combine sensory substitution devices 
> &

Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[Pranav Lal]

Hi Anirban,

Yes the device can be used without the cane. The result that you get from the
device is dependent on where you point it and not on if a cane is attached to
it. I frequently detach the device and carry it with me without the cane.

Pranav




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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[Anirban Mukherjee]

Sir,

another query:
i have heard it from somewhere that the smart cane doesn't work while
traveling in rain, is it true? i need to travel outdoors as well,
that's why this query.

sincerely, Anirban Mukherjee

On 12/13/15, Pranav Lal  wrote:
> Hi Anirban,
>
> Go to http://smartcane.saksham.org . That website has all the information
> you
> need.
> Saksham sells the cane. I believe the cost is around Rs. 2900.
>
> Pranav
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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[Anirban Mukherjee]

Sir,

let me put another query to you:

can the ultrasonic device be used without using the cane in indoor
surroundings? and, in that case, would it give the same result?

sincerely, Anirban Mukherjee

On 12/13/15, Pranav Lal <pranav@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The cane is water resistant but not waterproof therefore it can withstand a
> little bit of rain. When it rains, you can remove the ultrasonic device and
> use
> the cane like a regular cane.
>
> Pranav
>
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> disabled. <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Subject: Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?
>
> Sir,
>
> another query:
> i have heard it from somewhere that the smart cane doesn't work while
> traveling
> in rain, is it true? i need to travel outdoors as well, that's why this
> query.
>
> sincerely, Anirban Mukherjee
>
> On 12/13/15, Pranav Lal <pranav@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Anirban,
>>
>> Go to http://smartcane.saksham.org . That website has all the
>> information you need.
>> Saksham sells the cane. I believe the cost is around Rs. 2900.
>>
>> Pranav
>>
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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[Pranav Lal]

Hi,

The cane is water resistant but not waterproof therefore it can withstand a
little bit of rain. When it rains, you can remove the ultrasonic device and use
the cane like a regular cane.

Pranav

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Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 9:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

Sir,

another query:
i have heard it from somewhere that the smart cane doesn't work while traveling
in rain, is it true? i need to travel outdoors as well, that's why this query.

sincerely, Anirban Mukherjee

On 12/13/15, Pranav Lal <pranav@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Anirban,
>
> Go to http://smartcane.saksham.org . That website has all the 
> information you need.
> Saksham sells the cane. I believe the cost is around Rs. 2900.
>
> Pranav
>
>
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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[Aaruni Sharma]

Hi Pranab, thanks for your detailed explanation. Actually I want this
device primarily for my college use. I no the environmental settings but
feel the need for something which would alert me of people standing in the
corridors. I must admit that I find the walking stick unsuitable because
often there is a chance of bumping into somebody   and I find the stick
obtrusive. Echo location is a good thing but there is not much chance of
acquiring advanced capability without a proper expert guidance. I also find
walking in a straight line quite challenging and I am interested to know
how Ausion can help.
Thanks,


On 12 December 2015 at 07:25, Pranav Lal  wrote:

> Hi Aaruni,
>
> The Ausion is similar to the K-sonar though at a fraction of the cost. It
> is
> primarily meant for above chest level obstacles. You hold the device in
> your
> hand and scan your environment. I am planning to order it for testing. I
> have
> the IIT device. Again, you need to scan your environment and you get
> tactile
> feedback in terms of different vibration patterns based on distance. In
> most
> tactile based systems, you do not get a sense of texture. You may get this
> in
> the ausion and in the K-Sonar because they support continuous scanning and
> can
> better render texture information using sound.
>
> The question though is what do you mean by better mobility? If it is
> detecting
> drop offs and steps, there appears to be nothing to match the white cane.
> The
> EyeCane may have a fighting chance but I do not know if it is commercially
> available. If you navigate in office spaces, then the smart cane and the
> ausion
> may work just as well.
>
> The thing with any aid using ultrasound is that it does not answer the
> question
> "what." You know something is there but you need to build a database of
> sound
> patterns to identify the obstacle. However, if you take something like the
> vOICe, it will tell you what you are looking at but it is not particularly
> good
> at rendering distance information. As of this writing, you need to combine
> sensory substitution devices and ultrasound based devices for the best
> mobility
> experience. For the vOICe, you could use your Android phone or grab a
> dedicated
> unit from
> http://www.after-sight.com/
>
> This is probably more than you wanted to know but mobility aides are an
> interest
> of mine and something that I am exploring actively.
>
> Pranav
>
>
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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[Pranav Lal]

Arun,
http://innohub.co.in/?page_id=230
has all the information you need.
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Just curious to know where to obtain the same Arunkumar  

> On 11-Dec-2015, at 3:37 PM, Aaruni Sharma <aruni...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hello all. I would like to hear experiences about this device and also 
> if any NGO is promoting this product. I want to use an electronic 
> device for better mobility. Can we get rid of the walking stick 
> specially indoors with the help of Ausion.
> I am also interested in learning about real life experience from those 
> using the electronic stick invented by IIT Delhi.
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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

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I am also intrested. what is the size of this device? hope this may
help those who doesn't have any helping hand to hold. personally I am
curious to know its use regarding catch of auto/rixa.

On 12/12/15, Aaruni Sharma  wrote:
> Hi Pranab, thanks for your detailed explanation. Actually I want this
> device primarily for my college use. I no the environmental settings but
> feel the need for something which would alert me of people standing in the
> corridors. I must admit that I find the walking stick unsuitable because
> often there is a chance of bumping into somebody   and I find the stick
> obtrusive. Echo location is a good thing but there is not much chance of
> acquiring advanced capability without a proper expert guidance. I also find
> walking in a straight line quite challenging and I am interested to know
> how Ausion can help.
> Thanks,
>
>
> On 12 December 2015 at 07:25, Pranav Lal  wrote:
>
>> Hi Aaruni,
>>
>> The Ausion is similar to the K-sonar though at a fraction of the cost. It
>> is
>> primarily meant for above chest level obstacles. You hold the device in
>> your
>> hand and scan your environment. I am planning to order it for testing. I
>> have
>> the IIT device. Again, you need to scan your environment and you get
>> tactile
>> feedback in terms of different vibration patterns based on distance. In
>> most
>> tactile based systems, you do not get a sense of texture. You may get
>> this
>> in
>> the ausion and in the K-Sonar because they support continuous scanning
>> and
>> can
>> better render texture information using sound.
>>
>> The question though is what do you mean by better mobility? If it is
>> detecting
>> drop offs and steps, there appears to be nothing to match the white cane.
>> The
>> EyeCane may have a fighting chance but I do not know if it is
>> commercially
>> available. If you navigate in office spaces, then the smart cane and the
>> ausion
>> may work just as well.
>>
>> The thing with any aid using ultrasound is that it does not answer the
>> question
>> "what." You know something is there but you need to build a database of
>> sound
>> patterns to identify the obstacle. However, if you take something like
>> the
>> vOICe, it will tell you what you are looking at but it is not
>> particularly
>> good
>> at rendering distance information. As of this writing, you need to
>> combine
>> sensory substitution devices and ultrasound based devices for the best
>> mobility
>> experience. For the vOICe, you could use your Android phone or grab a
>> dedicated
>> unit from
>> http://www.after-sight.com/
>>
>> This is probably more than you wanted to know but mobility aides are an
>> interest
>> of mine and something that I am exploring actively.
>>
>> Pranav
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[Pranav Lal]

Hi Aaruni,

Ah your situation is similar to mine except that I navigate in the office and
jabbing your colleagues with a stick is not the best idea though it is extremely
tempting. Ausion and the smart Cane from Saksham / IIT will alert you to an
obstacle like a human. Orientation is trickier. When I use the vOICe, I am able
to get a scan ahead of me. I focus towards open spaces and walk. If I find
objects on either side, I reduce speed. If an object I detected on my left
changes position, it is possible that I have changed direction in which case I
make a course correction. You could do the same thing if you elect to go this
way or use Ausion to quickly scan your environment as you walk. As long as you
do not have an obstacle ahead of you, you are oriented correctly. 

Mind you, you will use your other skills such as passive echo location to
determine if you are in a closed space or not. Remember, people make noise which
is a good indicator of distance to them etc.

The way sighted people orient themselves is that before they start walking, they
fix a visual destination and move towards that. You could do this using the
vOICe or you go step-by-step in the general direction until you reach your
destination. 


Pranav
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Hi Pranab, thanks for your detailed explanation. Actually I want this device
primarily for my college use. I no the environmental settings but feel the need
for something which would alert me of people standing in the corridors. I must
admit that I find the walking stick unsuitable because
often there is a chance of bumping into somebody   and I find the stick
obtrusive. Echo location is a good thing but there is not much chance of
acquiring advanced capability without a proper expert guidance. I also find
walking in a straight line quite challenging and I am interested to know how
Ausion can help.
Thanks,


On 12 December 2015 at 07:25, Pranav Lal <pranav@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Aaruni,
>
> The Ausion is similar to the K-sonar though at a fraction of the cost. 
> It is primarily meant for above chest level obstacles. You hold the 
> device in your hand and scan your environment. I am planning to order 
> it for testing. I have the IIT device. Again, you need to scan your 
> environment and you get tactile feedback in terms of different 
> vibration patterns based on distance. In most tactile based systems, 
> you do not get a sense of texture. You may get this in the ausion and 
> in the K-Sonar because they support continuous scanning and can better 
> render texture information using sound.
>
> The question though is what do you mean by better mobility? If it is 
> detecting drop offs and steps, there appears to be nothing to match 
> the white cane.
> The
> EyeCane may have a fighting chance but I do not know if it is 
> commercially available. If you navigate in office spaces, then the 
> smart cane and the ausion may work just as well.
>
> The thing with any aid using ultrasound is that it does not answer the 
> question "what." You know something is there but you need to build a 
> database of sound patterns to identify the obstacle. However, if you 
> take something like the vOICe, it will tell you what you are looking 
> at but it is not particularly good at rendering distance information. 
> As of this writing, you need to combine sensory substitution devices 
> and ultrasound based devices for the best mobility experience. For the 
> vOICe, you could use your Android phone or grab a dedicated unit from 
> http://www.after-sight.com/
>
> This is probably more than you wanted to know but mobility aides are 
> an interest of mine and something that I am exploring actively.
>
> Pranav
>
>
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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[Pranav Lal]

Hi,

You detect autorikshas by their engine noise. I cannot comment on signaling
them. The device will tell you if you come close to an autoriksha. 

Pranav
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I am also intrested. what is the size of this device? hope this may help those
who doesn't have any helping hand to hold. personally I am curious to know its
use regarding catch of auto/rixa.

On 12/12/15, Aaruni Sharma <aruni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Pranab, thanks for your detailed explanation. Actually I want this 
> device primarily for my college use. I no the environmental settings 
> but feel the need for something which would alert me of people 
> standing in the corridors. I must admit that I find the walking stick
unsuitable because
> often there is a chance of bumping into somebody   and I find the stick
> obtrusive. Echo location is a good thing but there is not much chance 
> of acquiring advanced capability without a proper expert guidance. I 
> also find walking in a straight line quite challenging and I am 
> interested to know how Ausion can help.
> Thanks,
>
>
> On 12 December 2015 at 07:25, Pranav Lal <pranav@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Aaruni,
>>
>> The Ausion is similar to the K-sonar though at a fraction of the 
>> cost. It is primarily meant for above chest level obstacles. You hold 
>> the device in your hand and scan your environment. I am planning to 
>> order it for testing. I have the IIT device. Again, you need to scan 
>> your environment and you get tactile feedback in terms of different 
>> vibration patterns based on distance. In most tactile based systems, 
>> you do not get a sense of texture. You may get this in the ausion and 
>> in the K-Sonar because they support continuous scanning and can 
>> better render texture information using sound.
>>
>> The question though is what do you mean by better mobility? If it is 
>> detecting drop offs and steps, there appears to be nothing to match 
>> the white cane.
>> The
>> EyeCane may have a fighting chance but I do not know if it is 
>> commercially available. If you navigate in office spaces, then the 
>> smart cane and the ausion may work just as well.
>>
>> The thing with any aid using ultrasound is that it does not answer 
>> the question "what." You know something is there but you need to 
>> build a database of sound patterns to identify the obstacle. However, 
>> if you take something like the vOICe, it will tell you what you are 
>> looking at but it is not particularly good at rendering distance 
>> information. As of this writing, you need to combine sensory 
>> substitution devices and ultrasound based devices for the best 
>> mobility experience. For the vOICe, you could use your Android phone 
>> or grab a dedicated unit from http://www.after-sight.com/
>>
>> This is probably more than you wanted to know but mobility aides are 
>> an interest of mine and something that I am exploring actively.
>>
>> Pranav
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[Pranav Lal]

Hi,

No unless you point the aid at the ground. This was the exact question I asked
the developers.

The IIT smart cane combines both approaches namely, the cane for ground level
obstacle detection while the ultrasonic device allows for above knee obstacle
detection.
Pranav

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onething i understood friends, that this device is helpful for the hurdles at
face levels and chest levels.  what about the slopes, slants, gaps between two
steps, when there is any manhole on the road will this device helps.

regards,
sazid

On 12/12/15, Pranav Lal <pranav@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Aaruni,
>
> The Ausion is similar to the K-sonar though at a fraction of the cost. 
> It is primarily meant for above chest level obstacles. You hold the 
> device in your hand and scan your environment. I am planning to order 
> it for testing. I have the IIT device. Again, you need to scan your 
> environment and you get tactile feedback in terms of different 
> vibration patterns based on distance. In most tactile based systems, 
> you do not get a sense of texture. You may get this in the ausion and 
> in the K-Sonar because they support continuous scanning and can better 
> render texture information using sound.
>
> The question though is what do you mean by better mobility? If it is 
> detecting drop offs and steps, there appears to be nothing to match 
> the white cane.
> The
> EyeCane may have a fighting chance but I do not know if it is 
> commercially available. If you navigate in office spaces, then the 
> smart cane and the ausion may work just as well.
>
> The thing with any aid using ultrasound is that it does not answer the 
> question "what." You know something is there but you need to build a 
> database of sound patterns to identify the obstacle. However, if you 
> take something like the vOICe, it will tell you what you are looking 
> at but it is not particularly good at rendering distance information. 
> As of this writing, you need to combine sensory substitution devices 
> and ultrasound based devices for the best mobility experience. For the 
> vOICe, you could use your Android phone or grab a dedicated unit from 
> http://www.after-sight.com/
>
> This is probably more than you wanted to know but mobility aides are 
> an interest of mine and something that I am exploring actively.
>
> Pranav
>
>
>
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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[Arun Kumar]

Hello friends Curious to know the address from where we can obtain the same 
Arun  

> On 12-Dec-2015, at 7:25 AM, Pranav Lal  wrote:
> 
> Hi Aaruni,
> 
> The Ausion is similar to the K-sonar though at a fraction of the cost. It is
> primarily meant for above chest level obstacles. You hold the device in your
> hand and scan your environment. I am planning to order it for testing. I have
> the IIT device. Again, you need to scan your environment and you get tactile
> feedback in terms of different vibration patterns based on distance. In most
> tactile based systems, you do not get a sense of texture. You may get this in
> the ausion and in the K-Sonar because they support continuous scanning and can
> better render texture information using sound. 
> 
> The question though is what do you mean by better mobility? If it is detecting
> drop offs and steps, there appears to be nothing to match the white cane. The
> EyeCane may have a fighting chance but I do not know if it is commercially
> available. If you navigate in office spaces, then the smart cane and the 
> ausion
> may work just as well. 
> 
> The thing with any aid using ultrasound is that it does not answer the 
> question
> "what." You know something is there but you need to build a database of sound
> patterns to identify the obstacle. However, if you take something like the
> vOICe, it will tell you what you are looking at but it is not particularly 
> good
> at rendering distance information. As of this writing, you need to combine
> sensory substitution devices and ultrasound based devices for the best 
> mobility
> experience. For the vOICe, you could use your Android phone or grab a 
> dedicated
> unit from
> http://www.after-sight.com/
> 
> This is probably more than you wanted to know but mobility aides are an 
> interest
> of mine and something that I am exploring actively.
> 
> Pranav
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[Arun Kumar]

Just curious to know where to obtain the same 
Arunkumar  

> On 11-Dec-2015, at 3:37 PM, Aaruni Sharma  wrote:
> 
> Hello all. I would like to hear experiences about this device and also if
> any NGO is promoting this product. I want to use an electronic device for
> better mobility. Can we get rid of the walking stick specially indoors with
> the help of Ausion.
> I am also interested in learning about real life experience from those
> using the electronic stick invented by IIT Delhi.
> 
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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[sazid shaik]

onething i understood friends, that this device is helpful for the
hurdles at face levels and chest levels.  what about the slopes,
slants, gaps between two steps, when there is any manhole on the road
will this device helps.

regards,
sazid

On 12/12/15, Pranav Lal  wrote:
> Hi Aaruni,
>
> The Ausion is similar to the K-sonar though at a fraction of the cost. It
> is
> primarily meant for above chest level obstacles. You hold the device in
> your
> hand and scan your environment. I am planning to order it for testing. I
> have
> the IIT device. Again, you need to scan your environment and you get
> tactile
> feedback in terms of different vibration patterns based on distance. In
> most
> tactile based systems, you do not get a sense of texture. You may get this
> in
> the ausion and in the K-Sonar because they support continuous scanning and
> can
> better render texture information using sound.
>
> The question though is what do you mean by better mobility? If it is
> detecting
> drop offs and steps, there appears to be nothing to match the white cane.
> The
> EyeCane may have a fighting chance but I do not know if it is commercially
> available. If you navigate in office spaces, then the smart cane and the
> ausion
> may work just as well.
>
> The thing with any aid using ultrasound is that it does not answer the
> question
> "what." You know something is there but you need to build a database of
> sound
> patterns to identify the obstacle. However, if you take something like the
> vOICe, it will tell you what you are looking at but it is not particularly
> good
> at rendering distance information. As of this writing, you need to combine
> sensory substitution devices and ultrasound based devices for the best
> mobility
> experience. For the vOICe, you could use your Android phone or grab a
> dedicated
> unit from
> http://www.after-sight.com/
>
> This is probably more than you wanted to know but mobility aides are an
> interest
> of mine and something that I am exploring actively.
>
> Pranav
>
>
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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[Anirban Mukherjee]

Sir,

could you please comment on the availability of the IIT cane? how can
i get it if i try to get one? and, what is the cost of it?

sincerely, Anirban Mukherjee

On 12/12/15, Pranav Lal <pranav@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Aaruni,
>
> Ah your situation is similar to mine except that I navigate in the office
> and
> jabbing your colleagues with a stick is not the best idea though it is
> extremely
> tempting. Ausion and the smart Cane from Saksham / IIT will alert you to an
> obstacle like a human. Orientation is trickier. When I use the vOICe, I am
> able
> to get a scan ahead of me. I focus towards open spaces and walk. If I find
> objects on either side, I reduce speed. If an object I detected on my left
> changes position, it is possible that I have changed direction in which case
> I
> make a course correction. You could do the same thing if you elect to go
> this
> way or use Ausion to quickly scan your environment as you walk. As long as
> you
> do not have an obstacle ahead of you, you are oriented correctly.
>
> Mind you, you will use your other skills such as passive echo location to
> determine if you are in a closed space or not. Remember, people make noise
> which
> is a good indicator of distance to them etc.
>
> The way sighted people orient themselves is that before they start walking,
> they
> fix a visual destination and move towards that. You could do this using the
> vOICe or you go step-by-step in the general direction until you reach your
> destination.
>
>
> Pranav
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of
> Aaruni Sharma
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 2:28 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the
> disabled. <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Subject: Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?
>
> Hi Pranab, thanks for your detailed explanation. Actually I want this
> device
> primarily for my college use. I no the environmental settings but feel the
> need
> for something which would alert me of people standing in the corridors. I
> must
> admit that I find the walking stick unsuitable because
> often there is a chance of bumping into somebody   and I find the stick
> obtrusive. Echo location is a good thing but there is not much chance of
> acquiring advanced capability without a proper expert guidance. I also find
> walking in a straight line quite challenging and I am interested to know
> how
> Ausion can help.
> Thanks,
>
>
> On 12 December 2015 at 07:25, Pranav Lal <pranav@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Aaruni,
>>
>> The Ausion is similar to the K-sonar though at a fraction of the cost.
>> It is primarily meant for above chest level obstacles. You hold the
>> device in your hand and scan your environment. I am planning to order
>> it for testing. I have the IIT device. Again, you need to scan your
>> environment and you get tactile feedback in terms of different
>> vibration patterns based on distance. In most tactile based systems,
>> you do not get a sense of texture. You may get this in the ausion and
>> in the K-Sonar because they support continuous scanning and can better
>> render texture information using sound.
>>
>> The question though is what do you mean by better mobility? If it is
>> detecting drop offs and steps, there appears to be nothing to match
>> the white cane.
>> The
>> EyeCane may have a fighting chance but I do not know if it is
>> commercially available. If you navigate in office spaces, then the
>> smart cane and the ausion may work just as well.
>>
>> The thing with any aid using ultrasound is that it does not answer the
>> question "what." You know something is there but you need to build a
>> database of sound patterns to identify the obstacle. However, if you
>> take something like the vOICe, it will tell you what you are looking
>> at but it is not particularly good at rendering distance information.
>> As of this writing, you need to combine sensory substitution devices
>> and ultrasound based devices for the best mobility experience. For the
>> vOICe, you could use your Android phone or grab a dedicated unit from
>> http://www.after-sight.com/
>>
>> This is probably more than you wanted to know but mobility aides are
>> an interest of mine and something that I am exploring actively.
>>
>> Pranav
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on:
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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[Pranav Lal]

Hi Anirban,

Go to http://smartcane.saksham.org . That website has all the information you
need.
Saksham sells the cane. I believe the cost is around Rs. 2900.

Pranav




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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[Asudani, Rajesh]

So, let us walk equipped with Le chal shoes, smart stick or ausion, either of 
the two and GPS enabled smart phone and all.

But, I wonder, will it do away with someone's helping hand, ever?

I recall fondly my father's, or my mother's every ready and warmly assisting 
hands holding my hand on many a path of llife, or yearn for my wife's delicate 
hand, guiding me on roads, or for that matter any other friends' extended arms 
urdging me on, as I am sure every totally blind must cherish.


Diye raho kuchh der aur yoonhi  haath may haath

Abhi na paas say jao, badi udaas hay raat.

Firak gorakhpuri

So, let these instruments supplement, and make our mobility more effective.

Man-machine hybrid, or something, they call it.

सादर / With thanks & Regards
राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
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Aaruni Sharma
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 3:38 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

Hello all. I would like to hear experiences about this device and also if
any NGO is promoting this product. I want to use an electronic device for
better mobility. Can we get rid of the walking stick specially indoors with
the help of Ausion.
I am also interested in learning about real life experience from those
using the electronic stick invented by IIT Delhi.


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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[George Abraham]

Pranav,

We must meet up one of these days and iscuss mobility. Need to pick up some
tips and insights from you.

Regards,

George

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Pranav Lal
Sent: 12 December 2015 07:25
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

Hi Aaruni,

The Ausion is similar to the K-sonar though at a fraction of the cost. It
is
primarily meant for above chest level obstacles. You hold the device in
your
hand and scan your environment. I am planning to order it for testing. I
have
the IIT device. Again, you need to scan your environment and you get
tactile
feedback in terms of different vibration patterns based on distance. In
most
tactile based systems, you do not get a sense of texture. You may get this
in
the ausion and in the K-Sonar because they support continuous scanning and
can
better render texture information using sound. 

The question though is what do you mean by better mobility? If it is
detecting
drop offs and steps, there appears to be nothing to match the white cane.
The
EyeCane may have a fighting chance but I do not know if it is commercially
available. If you navigate in office spaces, then the smart cane and the
ausion
may work just as well. 

The thing with any aid using ultrasound is that it does not answer the
question
"what." You know something is there but you need to build a database of
sound
patterns to identify the obstacle. However, if you take something like the
vOICe, it will tell you what you are looking at but it is not particularly
good
at rendering distance information. As of this writing, you need to combine
sensory substitution devices and ultrasound based devices for the best
mobility
experience. For the vOICe, you could use your Android phone or grab a
dedicated
unit from
http://www.after-sight.com/

This is probably more than you wanted to know but mobility aides are an
interest
of mine and something that I am exploring actively.

Pranav




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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[Pranav Lal]

Hi Aaruni,

The Ausion is similar to the K-sonar though at a fraction of the cost. It is
primarily meant for above chest level obstacles. You hold the device in your
hand and scan your environment. I am planning to order it for testing. I have
the IIT device. Again, you need to scan your environment and you get tactile
feedback in terms of different vibration patterns based on distance. In most
tactile based systems, you do not get a sense of texture. You may get this in
the ausion and in the K-Sonar because they support continuous scanning and can
better render texture information using sound. 

The question though is what do you mean by better mobility? If it is detecting
drop offs and steps, there appears to be nothing to match the white cane. The
EyeCane may have a fighting chance but I do not know if it is commercially
available. If you navigate in office spaces, then the smart cane and the ausion
may work just as well. 

The thing with any aid using ultrasound is that it does not answer the question
"what." You know something is there but you need to build a database of sound
patterns to identify the obstacle. However, if you take something like the
vOICe, it will tell you what you are looking at but it is not particularly good
at rendering distance information. As of this writing, you need to combine
sensory substitution devices and ultrasound based devices for the best mobility
experience. For the vOICe, you could use your Android phone or grab a dedicated
unit from
http://www.after-sight.com/

This is probably more than you wanted to know but mobility aides are an interest
of mine and something that I am exploring actively.

Pranav




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Re: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

[raaju]

hello, what comes in my mind whenever I hear  "indoor" is about walking in
house, weather it is huge or small, in hotels, in malls, in cinema halls,
etc. if you develop your echo location ability, you no longer need any such
device. The regular natural device like walls, doors, your footsteps, your
tongue clicks whenever needed, etc will help you moving around. So I
recommend instead of such expensive device, try to practice echo locating. 

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Of Aaruni Sharma
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 3:38 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: [AI] Anybody using Ausion?

Hello all. I would like to hear experiences about this device and also if
any NGO is promoting this product. I want to use an electronic device for
better mobility. Can we get rid of the walking stick specially indoors with
the help of Ausion.
I am also interested in learning about real life experience from those
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