RE: [ActiveDir] [Dreadfully OT]: Interesting little tidbit....

2005-02-13 Thread deji
Actually, my malady is contagious :)
 
It's 4.7MB. I did not want to believe it would be that small when I first
look at it, that was why I was confused. But, from what I am reading, I can
see it's so small.
 
By the way, this does not appear to me to be any different from running LINUX
under a typical VM environment. So, what's new or so cool about that? I guess
I should play first before blabbing, eh? :). Downloading the Debian image
now.
 
 
Sincerely,

Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
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Hallucination.  It's a 47MB compressed file system image...  No where
near as imposing as it looks.  It's in bytes - no Kbytes...  ;-)

-rtk

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I looked at it, and my eyes (almost) popped out. Is that really a 4.7Gig
distro, or am I hallucinating - again? :)


Sincerely,

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Subject: [ActiveDir] [Dreadfully OT]: Interesting little tidbit



If you haven't looked at this yet - you really NEED to.   I have it
installed, working and am getting ready to toss X on, and get it
functioning.

This is one of those things that comes along and you look at it and think,
"Huh  that's really SUPER cool."

Check it out... it's worth the time.

http://www.colinux.org

Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT, CISSP
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Windows Server / Directory Services
Windows Server / Rights Management
Windows Security (Affiliate)
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RE: [ActiveDir] [Dreadfully OT]: Interesting little tidbit....

2005-02-13 Thread Rick Kingslan
Hallucination.  It's a 47MB compressed file system image...  No where
near as imposing as it looks.  It's in bytes - no Kbytes...  ;-)

-rtk

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I looked at it, and my eyes (almost) popped out. Is that really a 4.7Gig
distro, or am I hallucinating - again? :)
 
 
Sincerely,

Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
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www.akomolafe.com
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Subject: [ActiveDir] [Dreadfully OT]: Interesting little tidbit



If you haven't looked at this yet - you really NEED to.   I have it
installed, working and am getting ready to toss X on, and get it
functioning.

This is one of those things that comes along and you look at it and think,
"Huh  that's really SUPER cool."

Check it out... it's worth the time.

http://www.colinux.org

Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT, CISSP
Microsoft MVP:
Windows Server / Directory Services
Windows Server / Rights Management
Windows Security (Affiliate)
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RE: [ActiveDir] Command Line AD Question

2005-02-13 Thread Jorge de Almeida Pinto
DSMOVE or you could script it within a VB script

For DSMOVE
The same user can be moved from the Sales organization to the Marketing
organization with the following command:

dsmove "cn=Jane Doe,ou=sales,dc=microsoft,dc=com"
-newparent ou=Marketing,dc=microsoft,dc=com

Jorge 

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Subject: [ActiveDir] Command Line AD Question

Hi Everyone,
I'm going to be migrating a large number of machines from a
workgroup into a domain.  I'm probably going to have some people help me and
I want to make it as easy for them as I can.  I'm planning on giving them a
CD with batch files to do all of the work for them.  I'm familiar with using
netdom to join systems to the domain, but I'm looking for the command line
tool to move the system around within AD OUs.  For example, before putting
the machine into its "permanent" OU, I may want to put it into a software OU
so that certain packages will be installed first.  So what command line
tool(s) would you recommend for this.  I really appreciate your help!!!

Thanks,

Cory
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RE: [ActiveDir] Investigating GC queries

2005-02-13 Thread Jorge de Almeida Pinto
Title: Investigating GC queries



maybe a strange question, but 
who is doing the query? the workstation itself or 
outlook?
 
If it is outlook, is the mailbox 
located on the exchange box that's in the same site as the off-site GC? As I 
know outlook uses the GC provided by exchange and not the closest DC. you can 
configure it though to work that way (Q319206)
cheers
Jorge


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queries

How would I best 
troubleshoot a machine that seems to be always be going to an off-site GC to get 
its queries answered? I have verified the machine’s subnet is 
in Sites & Svcs, 
and that the subnet is assigned 
to site closest by (it is in a different building, but here on the same 
local campus, with a fiber connection between the 2 buildings). Yet it 
usually finds the GC in Chicago, over a much slower WAN link. Just not sure what 
my steps should be. Thanks!
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RE: [ActiveDir] [Dreadfully OT]: Interesting little tidbit....

2005-02-13 Thread deji
I looked at it, and my eyes (almost) popped out. Is that really a 4.7Gig
distro, or am I hallucinating - again? :)
 
 
Sincerely,

Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
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www.akomolafe.com
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Yesterday?  -anon



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Subject: [ActiveDir] [Dreadfully OT]: Interesting little tidbit



If you haven't looked at this yet - you really NEED to.   I have it
installed, working and am getting ready to toss X on, and get it
functioning.

This is one of those things that comes along and you look at it and think,
"Huh  that's really SUPER cool."

Check it out... it's worth the time.

http://www.colinux.org

Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT, CISSP
Microsoft MVP:
Windows Server / Directory Services
Windows Server / Rights Management
Windows Security (Affiliate)
Associate Expert
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RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada

2005-02-13 Thread deji
Dissecting 
 
>>> Its Vancouver in March... 
Yeah, so? Can't be much worse than MI in March.
 
>>> I am pretty tied up with 
Lame, so lame I'm tempted to not comment :) I am sure most presenters are in
the same boat. I am personally in that boat. I am not even sure HOW I will
get to DEC yet, because I am not sure which city I will find myself in around
that time. So, can't book a flight yet because I don't know where I would be
flying in from. So, there try something else :p
 
>>> There is also the whole issue of who do I go as?
I would think that going in as Joe would be sufficient. I already told you
this before - you don't seem to know how much regards you command within the
community. WRT who foots the bill, I'd assume that Gil is ponying up the
money either way (either as Joeware or JoeHP), so that should really not be a
factor. More so, I am sure Gil will be footing your bill even if you show up
as Joe-the-cross-dresser. But, I will let Gil speak for himself on that point
:)
 
>>> I am not an ethereal guru
I did not know that Gil was looking for gurus. I certainly I'm not a guru in
anything, and I would take a back seat to you any day when talking about
Exchange security. But, I am going, and you are not. So, there again :) Why
am I going? Because I think I have seen and done some things on Exchange
security that the attendees "MAY" be interested in listening to. I am
definitely not bringing anything revolutionary or earth-shattering. I am only
hoping that I will say something that will get some of the attendees to go
back to their bases and rethink what they have or implement something (if
they haven't). My position on conferences and teaching and stuff like this is
that I don't go there hoping to meet wizards and have them implant knowledge
into my medula oblongata. I do not expect that most people go there for this
reason either. I think re-enforcement and pointers and things that get people
thinking carry much more weight than just looking to spoon-feed people
information. Are you expecting to transform the attendees into Ether-sniffing
K-9 in the span of 90 minutes? Wake up, Joe. So, I chalk this down to the
"Lame" category.
 
>>> Possibly Gil can take some informal poll at the event on who would like
to see a joeware presentation at a future event
Yeah, right. So that you could wiggle your way out of it again. You need no
poll, Joe. And I know that you know that I know that you knew that. Gil
already floated the idea, so I don't see the need to get Gallup involved at
this point.
 
>>> Interesting all the MVPs coming out of the wordwork saying they are going
now
They are probably signing up in large numbers, hoping their massive presence
will be enough reason to compell you to show up. Or they could be signing up
because they heard that Joe was there the last time around and they want to
be able to claim to have seen you in person. Look at it as a bribe, or
peer-presure or something. They could also just be going for the beer, who
knows?
 

 
>>> Anyone who has knowledge on some of the more evil ways of breaking into a
forest try to keep mum
I can certainly say, with absolute truth, Boy's Scout's honor, that I have no
clue what you are talking about. Yet, I am supposed to be a Security MVP :)
Ironic, uh? This is why I miss you, man. I remember you explaining 1B and 1C
records to me back in 99 and me looking at you like "WTF is he talking about?
what do this have to do with WINS?"
 
 
Sincerely,

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LOL with all of you.

Its Vancouver in March... Even DC in March was pushing it, March is Lousiana
or Florida or Arizona or Texas. Seriously though, I am pretty tied up with a
customer right now with fun issues with Exchange and third party tools where
I at the point of monitoring every change to all user objects as a
non-admin. There is also the whole issue of who do I go as? Do I go as joe
from joeware or Joe Richards Senior Consultant for a major Technology
company. Completely different roles that I have to be careful with on both
sides of the fence. Most people in the world know me as joe of joeware not
as Joe Richards Consultant so I should go as joe the joeware guy which means
costing personal money or riding on Gil which I feel I would need to present
something for. That doesn't bother me overly much but the question is what
to present? I can use ethereal, I am not an ethereal guru. Hate to see
people put in a position of supposed expert there to talk and answer
questions on something when they aren't that expert, especially when that
people is me. There are a lot of people talking and

RE: [ActiveDir] Add Computer to Domain

2005-02-13 Thread Jorge de Almeida Pinto
To delegate the permissions -> yes

I would, however, consider removing authenticated users from the privilege
"add workstations to domain" in the DDC GPO

Greetz
Jorge 

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So I would have to use the delegation wizard at the OU level to add
workstations to the domain and ignore the user rights assignments at the DC
Level?

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Justin,

The "Add workstations to domain" user right (configured at DC level) by
default assigns each authenticated user the right to add 10 computers
(default configured quota for this) to the domain. Those computers will be
placed in the COMPUTERS CONTAINER and the default owner is "Domain Admins".
However users can be granted an unlimited number of computers they can add
to the domain if the permission has been granted to those users on a certain
OU, independently of the user right "add workststations to domain" has been
granted or not. The owner of the latter objects will be the accounts that
created them.
Most of the time it is not acceptable that users add computers to the domain
just like that. In the environment I created the design for, I removed
authenticated users from the user right, created a global group and granted
that global group permissions over a certain OU to created computer
accounts.

If I'm correct the computer accounts need to be created first and then you
can join the computer to the domain (as with the join dialog box there is no
possibility to specify an OU) and with tools (e.g. NETDOM) where you have
the possibility to directly add a computer I presume it is possible to do
this without first creating the computeraccount

Cheers,
Jorge

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Subject: [ActiveDir] Add Computer to Domain

If I wanted to grant a group the rights to join computers to the domain
should I configure the User Assignment setting of a GPO to do that and if so
should I create that GPO on the OU I want them to join computers to or do I
have to do it at the domain level or within the Domain Controllers Policy? 

Justin A. Salandra
MCSE Windows 2000 & 2003
Network and Technology Services Manager
Catholic Healthcare System
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RE: [ActiveDir] Display Computer Name on Desktop

2005-02-13 Thread Jorge de Almeida Pinto
Rename "My Computer" to the computername
See
http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/Registry/registry_hacks_display_compute
rname.htm
Jorge 

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Subject: [ActiveDir] Display Computer Name on Desktop

I have a question, is there a way to display the computer name on the
desktop either through a login script or via GPO?

Justin A. Salandra
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Catholic Healthcare System
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RE: [ActiveDir] Display Computer Name on Desktop

2005-02-13 Thread Blair, James

Justin,

Havn't taken a look at Rick's suggestion WHOAMI but another alternative
is
BGINFO...http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/bginfo.shtml...It's
freeware and you can create a custom installation package...

James

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Justin - 

I'm going to try again because, IMHO, you're working WAY too hard at
this one problem.

My current preference - 

http://www.kewlit.com/whoami/index2b.html

Great for the Data Center boxes connected via KVM.

If you haven't looked at this tool - you have NO IDEA what you're
missing.
Simply elegant.  Not as much info (or, as I've seen it on some systems -
flipping information OVERLOAD) as Sysinternals 'bginfo', but if you just
want the simple basics and a NAME, here it is.

Don't knock this one until you try it.

-rtk

P.S.  Ulf - love the reg hack, BTW...

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Simon-Weidner
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 6:03 PM
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Display Computer Name on Desktop

Hello Justin,

Apart from the scripting answers you got, here's a different solution:

Rename My Computer on any workstation to WHATEVER-I-DONT-GIVE-A-D. Open
up regedit and search for WHATEVER-I-DONT-GIVE-A-D.

Create a new Key of the type Reg_expand_sz called WHATEVER, and put in
"%computername%" as value. Export the parent key (where
WHATEVER-I-DONT-GIVE-A-D was the default value) to a reg file.

Open up the regfile in notepad, and change it so that the value of
WHATEVER of type reg_expand_sz is assigned to the default key "@".

Delete the old key in regedit, then doubleclick the regfile. The type of
the key should now be reg_expand_sz (before it was reg_sz and would have
shown %computername% instead of resolving it.

If you are nice, and want some more information, you can use this
regfile:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{20D04FE0-3AEA-1069-A2D8-08002B30309D}]
@=hex(2):25,00,75,00,73,00,65,00,72,00,6e,00,61,00,6d,00,65,00,25,00,20,
00,\
 
40,00,20,00,25,00,63,00,6f,00,6d,00,70,00,75,00,74,00,65,00,72,00,6e,00,
61,\
  00,6d,00,65,00,25,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\CL
SID\
{20D04FE0-3AEA-1069-A2D8-08002B30309D}]
@=hex(2):25,00,75,00,73,00,65,00,72,00,6e,00,61,00,6d,00,65,00,25,00,20,
00,\
 
40,00,20,00,25,00,63,00,6f,00,6d,00,70,00,75,00,74,00,65,00,72,00,6e,00,
61,\
  00,6d,00,65,00,25,00,00,00

Gruesse - Sincerely,
 
Ulf B. Simon-Weidner
 
  MVP-Book "Windows XP - Die Expertentipps":  http://tinyurl.com/44zcz
  Weblog: http://msmvps.org/UlfBSimonWeidner
  WebSite: http://www.windowsserverfaq.org  
 

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> Subject: [ActiveDir] Display Computer Name on Desktop
> 
> I have a question, is there a way to display the computer 
> name on the desktop either through a login script or via GPO?
> 
> Justin A. Salandra
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[ActiveDir] [Dreadfully OT]: Interesting little tidbit....

2005-02-13 Thread Rick Kingslan
If you haven't looked at this yet - you really NEED to.   I have it
installed, working and am getting ready to toss X on, and get it
functioning.

This is one of those things that comes along and you look at it and think,
"Huh  that's really SUPER cool."

Check it out... it's worth the time.

http://www.colinux.org

Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT, CISSP
Microsoft MVP:
Windows Server / Directory Services
Windows Server / Rights Management
Windows Security (Affiliate)
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RE: [ActiveDir] Display Computer Name on Desktop

2005-02-13 Thread Rick Kingslan
Justin - 

I'm going to try again because, IMHO, you're working WAY too hard at this
one problem.

My current preference - 

http://www.kewlit.com/whoami/index2b.html

Great for the Data Center boxes connected via KVM.

If you haven't looked at this tool - you have NO IDEA what you're missing.
Simply elegant.  Not as much info (or, as I've seen it on some systems -
flipping information OVERLOAD) as Sysinternals 'bginfo', but if you just
want the simple basics and a NAME, here it is.

Don't knock this one until you try it.

-rtk

P.S.  Ulf - love the reg hack, BTW...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ulf B.
Simon-Weidner
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 6:03 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Display Computer Name on Desktop

Hello Justin,

Apart from the scripting answers you got, here's a different solution:

Rename My Computer on any workstation to WHATEVER-I-DONT-GIVE-A-D. Open up
regedit and search for WHATEVER-I-DONT-GIVE-A-D.

Create a new Key of the type Reg_expand_sz called WHATEVER, and put in
"%computername%" as value. Export the parent key (where
WHATEVER-I-DONT-GIVE-A-D was the default value) to a reg file.

Open up the regfile in notepad, and change it so that the value of WHATEVER
of type reg_expand_sz is assigned to the default key "@".

Delete the old key in regedit, then doubleclick the regfile. The type of the
key should now be reg_expand_sz (before it was reg_sz and would have shown
%computername% instead of resolving it.

If you are nice, and want some more information, you can use this regfile:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{20D04FE0-3AEA-1069-A2D8-08002B30309D}]
@=hex(2):25,00,75,00,73,00,65,00,72,00,6e,00,61,00,6d,00,65,00,25,00,20,00,\
 
40,00,20,00,25,00,63,00,6f,00,6d,00,70,00,75,00,74,00,65,00,72,00,6e,00,61,\
  00,6d,00,65,00,25,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\CLSID\
{20D04FE0-3AEA-1069-A2D8-08002B30309D}]
@=hex(2):25,00,75,00,73,00,65,00,72,00,6e,00,61,00,6d,00,65,00,25,00,20,00,\
 
40,00,20,00,25,00,63,00,6f,00,6d,00,70,00,75,00,74,00,65,00,72,00,6e,00,61,\
  00,6d,00,65,00,25,00,00,00

Gruesse - Sincerely,
 
Ulf B. Simon-Weidner
 
  MVP-Book "Windows XP - Die Expertentipps":  http://tinyurl.com/44zcz 
  Weblog: http://msmvps.org/UlfBSimonWeidner
  WebSite: http://www.windowsserverfaq.org  
 

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> Subject: [ActiveDir] Display Computer Name on Desktop
> 
> I have a question, is there a way to display the computer 
> name on the desktop either through a login script or via GPO?
> 
> Justin A. Salandra
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RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada

2005-02-13 Thread Rick Kingslan
Yep - you can be sure that I'll be taking on a role of 'enforcer'  ;o)

-rtk

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Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 11:05 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada

LOL with all of you. 

Its Vancouver in March... Even DC in March was pushing it, March is Lousiana
or Florida or Arizona or Texas. Seriously though, I am pretty tied up with a
customer right now with fun issues with Exchange and third party tools where
I at the point of monitoring every change to all user objects as a
non-admin. 



I would hate to start hearing from people who know how to break in that
couldn't have figured it out on their own and finding out it is because
someone wanted to impress folks by showing how it can be done. I would be
less than pleasant to anyone listed as being the supplier of that info;
granted that doesn't mean much. I trust Rick will have a couple of empties
near him to glance off the foreheads of people sharing a bit too much.

   joe




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Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 10:21 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada

Sorry, I thought they were asking for a show of hands. Mine's been up in the
air for a week now...I was counting on a "Joe's Ethereal for Dummies"
session. 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:26 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada

Could be you, could be me.

Is it that no one but Jorge is going to DEC or is it that no one but Jorge
knows who I am?

  joe 

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Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 6:57 PM
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada

I feel so rejected.


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Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 4:11 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada

Hmmm. Listen to the roar of indifference

:oP



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Pinto
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 3:09 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '; 'ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org '
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada

I think Joe needs a bit more convincing. Let's vote: ;-)

(1) Joe should come to DEC, tell something interesting and he can "leave his
shorts on" AND he will get a beer... ;-))

(2) Joe stays at home and afterwards he hears from us how much fun it was

CHOOSE...

I say (1)

Will this convince him?

Cheers
Jorge

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Re: [ActiveDir] Question: AD Group Policy not taking effect

2005-02-13 Thread support
Hi,

The best way to check this out is to activate detailed logging, reboot &
logon and look at the log in:-
%windir%\Debug\UserMode\userenv.log.

We have written a free utility that will allow you to activate detailed
logging and will display the log in a meaningful way.

http://www.sysprosoft.com/index.php?ref=activedir&f=policyreporter.shtml

If you still have problems, mail me the log offline and I will look at it
for you.

 Alan Cuthbertson


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Policy Log Reporter(Free)
http://www.sysprosoft.com/index.php?ref=activedir&f=policyreporter.shtml



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To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Question: AD Group Policy not taking effect


> What do you mean, a chance to replicate? Can you please explain a bit
more?
>
> I was working with the user portion of GPO.
>
> I created a user account in OU.
>
> The client is XP, and the server is W2K3.
>
> I tried secedit by chandra, but it doesn't accept the /refreshpolicy. I
have
> already tried gpupdate /force. It goes through, without any results on the
> client side.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> From: "Perdue David J Contr InDyne/Enterprise IT"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> To: 
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Question: AD Group Policy not taking effect
> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:06:16 -0800
>
> Did the OU and the GPO have a chance to replicate?
> The policy that you created, did you configure the computer or user
> portion of the policy object?
> Do you have a user account or a computer account in the OU?
> What OS is the client computer?  If it's Win2k or lower did you
> configure a WinXP Policy Attribute?
> Did you try a GPUPDATE on WinXP or a SECEDIT to update the the policy
> applied to the System?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> //SIGNED//
> 
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>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 13:38 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: [ActiveDir] Question: AD Group Policy not taking effect
>
> Hello,
>
> I added an OU. Added a test user.
>
> I added a group policy by clicking 'add' under 'group policy' in OU's
> properties.
>
> Changed a couple of things around.
>
> Logged onto a test client. Group policy wouldn't take effect.
>
> What am I missing?
>
> I will appreciate your help in this regard.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
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RE: [ActiveDir] Very OT: Please Settle a Bet

2005-02-13 Thread joe



Rick: Excellent logical breakdown you old monkey 
you.
 
Roger: I agree with you. Win9x was definitely somewhere 
in the transition zone so thinking of it as 24 bit or a transitional OS makes 
sense to me. It went so far as to have a different thunking model for 
32<->16 available for use due to how many 16 bit DLLs were still in 
common use. The win9x only special thunking was called flat thunking and 
required some special compiling but allowed a 16 bit app to call a 32 bit DLL 
but more importantly allowed a 32 bit app to call a 16 bit DLL. They also had 
generic thunkking which is the only thunking available now which is one way, 16 
bit app -> 32 bit DLL. 
 
A 
major programming aspect to look at was that win9x brought out the Windows 32 
bit API (win32 api)) as the standard API for windows. Prior to that you had 16 
bit and Win32S which if you ever coded for it could be trying and you could find 
yourself unloading and reloading the actual binary components. You wouldn't ever 
find yourself only unloading the Win32 API on Win9x. You would find yourself 
reloading the OS which people did a time or two. 
 
I 
didn't spend much time on Win9x personally, I jumped to NT4 as soon as I could 
figure out how to log on and I will admit my PC sat there for a day or maybe two 
before I figured out how to log on (sometime in 1996 if I recall). Damn thing 
wouldn't let me bypass the logon screen and I couldn't stop the load process at 
DOS which really chapped me... I don't recall how I found out about the 
administrator ID (I certainly didn't read any manuals) but once I did I was 
like, oh of course, I type in the word administrator and a blank password. Of 
course, how logical. ugh. I came from the world of sysgens and DEC Mini 
platforms where you start up in console mode when you booted the system and can 
do anything and then once you tell it to go multiuser you knew the needed 
password for the 1,1 or 1,2 accounts. Then the system would stay up and running 
for months. The only people who could reboot the systems either had a key 
(starting around the 11/77 or the 11/34a) or knew the right switches to flip on 
front of the CPU because booting the machine actually involved loading addresses 
into the proper registers and switching the machine into RUN mode (see pic 
of 11/70 - http://users.rcn.com/crfriend/museum/TCMtrip/images/1170-34.jpg). 
The secret of the switches to flip was a trade secret handed down from sysadmin 
to sysadmin and you were required to memorize it versus writing it down, or at 
least it was where I came up through the ranks at. 
 
Another major programming aspect was around memory 
management. Obviously you had more memory available to you by jumping to 32 bit 
pointers but there was also a jump from shared memory for all of the apps to 
each app having its own virtual space. This broke quite a few apps trying to 
go to 32 bit because they were all used to be able to talk directly to each 
other versus having to marshall data between the processes. Basically it wasn't 
a simple recompile for many apps that communicated to work on 32 versus 16 which 
is YAR for making the 16/32 border a little nebulous. Companies don't like 
to have to redesign applications, heck many companies don't like to design 
applications... They throw some code through a compiler and see who will 
pay. 
 
Win3.0/1/1.1 could all run on the 386 but one of the 
big complaints about it was that it was a 16 bit OS riding a 32 bit machine. I 
recall when win95 came out and how MS really pushed the point of it being full 
32 bit to take advantage of the power of the newest PCs and corresponding 
complaint from press that a majority of the stuff available was only 16 bit so 
you really didn't get the full benefit. I wonder how much better this will be 
handled in the 32->64 switchover. The big problem we have this time is 
competing architectures which should cause it to take longer to all shake out. 
As a developer I intend to stick with 32 bit for some time and rely on good 
thunking capability in the OS. 
 
  
joe



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger 
SeielstadSent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 11:41 PMTo: 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org; 'Send - AD mailing list'Subject: RE: 
[ActiveDir] Very OT: Please Settle a Bet

I've alway described Win95 as a 24 bit operating system 
myself...
 
Actually, the OS (i.e. the kernel) is (was) definitely 
32-bit code. Rick backed into the correct answer with that damn logic thing 
again.
 
However. explorer.exe (i.e. the GUI) was most definitely a 
16-bit app, because at the time they hadn't figured out all the 32 bit 
optimizations for graphics - they had done all the 3.x work in 16 bit. IMO - 
this is one of the reasons 9x has always been relatively unstable - the mixture 
of 16 and 32 bit code.
 
Roger
Roger 
SeielstadE-mail Geek & MS-MVP 
 

  
  
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick 
  KingslanSent

RE: [ActiveDir] OT: POP3 on Exchange 2003

2005-02-13 Thread joe
Hey who is giving out free joeware hats. I want one! I did give out some
joeware thongs for Christmas this year. My g/f liked hers and she also
laughed that I gave one to her sister. I don't think her sister's husband
was appreciating it very much though. :o)

I looked at setting the POP3/IMAP settings using the protocolsettings
attribute with exchmbx but when I started digging into it I backed off. Both
because the docs seem to say, "just DON'T do it" and because there is quite
a bit of info jammed into those little binary values. I may attack it again
but it will be pretty involved and you have the obvious concern of not doing
it exactly right or MS changing it since it really isn't a documented
format.

   joe



 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mulnick, Al
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 1:20 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: POP3 on Exchange 2003

Rely on the process?  That's only ever effective if you enforce the process
as well.  To do that in this case, have you considered a "catch-all" process
that goes behind and for all users except this small list, will ensure that
pop3 is disabled?  

Shouldn't be a tough script to come up with and to run that as a scheduled
job would be a low maintenance alternative to enforce the process I would
think. 

Maybe even a free Joeware hat (or at least contributing author mention) in
it if you make it CLI to Python/Perl/C+-#. ;)

-Al 

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Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 1:00 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: POP3 on Exchange 2003

Thanks again. Right now, the client hasn't even worked out their delegation
model (or OU structure, for that matter), so all account creation is
squarely in the hands of the Operations group at the moment. So, if we
enable POP3 the feasibale approach for now is likely going to be to rely on
their following process and disabling POP3 on user accounts as they create
them, and look at the overall provisioning requirements a little later, with
this as one requirement.

It's unfortunate we have to go through this to support a handful of
applications; I'm going to try to meet again with the application owners to
see if we have any other alternatives.



Andy


>From: "Tony Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>To: 
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: POP3 on Exchange 2003
>Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:40:40 +0100
>
>FWIW, if you did want to do this with some custom provisioning (or even 
>after mailbox-enabling a user) it seems the protocolSettings attribute 
>is the one you need to manipulate.
>
>There's not a great deal of information available about 
>protocolSettings, but there's some here:
>
>http://redmondmag.com/columns/article.asp?EditorialsID=638
>
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/e2k3/e
>2 k3/_clb_enumerating_exchange_object_properties_with_adsi_ado_vb.asp
>
>And here's a sample script for setting mailbox limits by OU and by 
>group, which you could perhaps rework for the protocolSettings 
>attribute.
>
>http://blogs.brnets.com/michael/archive/2004/11/18/244.aspx
>
>Tony
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy SCHAN
>Sent: 11 February 2005 13:53
>To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: POP3 on Exchange 2003
>
>Thanks for the reply. That's the conclusion I'd come to, but I was 
>hoping someone with a bigger brain than mine would prove me wrong :-)
>
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>Andy Schan
>Schan Consulting, Inc.
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>
>
>
> >From: "joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> >To: 
> >Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:  POP3 on Exchange 2003
> >Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 23:19:12 -0500
> >
> >I don't believe you can't set this as a default with the native tools.
>You
> >would need to use some custom provisioning to do this.
> >
> >   joe
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:08 AM
> >To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> >Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: POP3 on Exchange 2003
> >
> >Greetings, everyone:
> >
> >Sorry for the off-topic post, but I've asked this on the E2K3 mailing
>list
> >and didn't get any answers. At any rate, it's as much an AD challenge
>as an
> >Exchange one.
> >
> >I'm working on the final stages of an Exchange 2003 migration, and it
>turns
> >out we're going to have to enable POP3 on our mailbox servers to
>support a
> >handful of applications that
> >
> >were written for the Exchange 5.5 environment. Enabling POP3 isn't 
> >difficult, and neither is configuring our FE servers to support it, 
> >but doing this on a limited scale seems to be a bit of a challenge.
> >
> >What I'd like t

RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada

2005-02-13 Thread joe
LOL with all of you. 

Its Vancouver in March... Even DC in March was pushing it, March is Lousiana
or Florida or Arizona or Texas. Seriously though, I am pretty tied up with a
customer right now with fun issues with Exchange and third party tools where
I at the point of monitoring every change to all user objects as a
non-admin. There is also the whole issue of who do I go as? Do I go as joe
from joeware or Joe Richards Senior Consultant for a major Technology
company. Completely different roles that I have to be careful with on both
sides of the fence. Most people in the world know me as joe of joeware not
as Joe Richards Consultant so I should go as joe the joeware guy which means
costing personal money or riding on Gil which I feel I would need to present
something for. That doesn't bother me overly much but the question is what
to present? I can use ethereal, I am not an ethereal guru. Hate to see
people put in a position of supposed expert there to talk and answer
questions on something when they aren't that expert, especially when that
people is me. There are a lot of people talking and/or writing on a lot of
subjects that they quite frankly shouldn't be talking or writing about and I
don't want to drop myself in that category in anyone's mind.

I could of course speak about joeware, but it is pretty simple stuff, not
sure what could be said about it in a "session" that people would find value
in. Possibly Gil can take some informal poll at the event on who would like
to see a joeware presentation at a future event, what they think should be
in that presentation and we will go from there for the next DEC. I have no
problem going as long as work isn't involved or in the way and Gil is
getting value out of it. In the meanwhile I will try to figure out something
cool to present some time that I would be comfortable presenting and feel is
worth Gil giving me that ride as I did thoroughly enjoy the DEC I went to
last spring. The straight up best part of the whole event was sitting and
casually talking to Stuart and Andreas and Paul Rich and a couple of the
other MS guys with beers in our hand after the troubleshooting session. I
also thoroughly enjoyed hearing the opinions of the various presenters and
where they were taking various ideas layed out and discussed on this actual
listserv. Of course the Wook presentation was out of this world; I believe
somewhere around Jupiter or Saturn if I had to guess. You had to know quite
a bit about AD to really grasp what was being said and make the connections
otherwise you were wondering why there was a national forestry service
presentation going on at a Directory conference and wondering when Smokey
the Bear was going to walk out from the wings. Very enjoyable. 

Interesting all the MVPs coming out of the wordwork saying they are going
now. I don't recall many at the last one. Guido was there but he was ripping
DLG/Universal shots off at me up on the podium; you knew the people who were
on this list because they would chuckle and turn and look at me which was a
pretty good number of the people there. Robbie was trying to get me sick
with some kind of cold he had and had me feeling guilty because I knew I had
chapters on the laptop up in my room that I needed to get reviewed for him. 

All and all a lot of fun.

Oh BTW, there is a hacking contest I guess. Anyone who has knowledge on some
of the more evil ways of breaking into a forest try to keep mum and not
impress people. If you know how it is done, you don't need to impress
people, you are impressive enough all on your own. Full Disclosure is fine
when there is a quick way to fix the problem. Keep in mind, that those holes
are not things that MS will be fixing any time soon and if you get them out
there in the hands of people who can't find or figure them out on their own
you could be opening up cans of worms. Not ripping on anyone, it is just
these mechanisms have been around a long time and still most people don't
understand how it can be done and I would really not mind if it stayed that
way until MS has an answer and unfortunately, that answer is a rather
involved redesign or buying products which should not be the base security
answer for the forest, that is a position of blackmail. To put it another
way, don't show people how to do things that could eventually be used to
hurt you unless you explicitely trust the person you are showing to not
share with others. 

I would hate to start hearing from people who know how to break in that
couldn't have figured it out on their own and finding out it is because
someone wanted to impress folks by showing how it can be done. I would be
less than pleasant to anyone listed as being the supplier of that info;
granted that doesn't mean much. I trust Rick will have a couple of empties
near him to glance off the foreheads of people sharing a bit too much.

   joe




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RE: [ActiveDir] Command Line AD Question

2005-02-13 Thread joe
Admod will do it as well. No licensing questions if you are running W2K.

  joe 

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To move a computer from one OU to another I would recommend using dsmove

Do a dsmove computer /? To get the syntax etc. 

Generally it would look like:

Dsmove computer "CN=computerName,ou=oldou,dc=domain,dc=com" -newparent
ou=newou,dc=domain,dc=com

Phil

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Hi Everyone,
I'm going to be migrating a large number of machines from a
workgroup into a domain.  I'm probably going to have some people help me and
I want to make it as easy for them as I can.  I'm planning on giving them a
CD with batch files to do all of the work for them.  I'm familiar with using
netdom to join systems to the domain, but I'm looking for the command line
tool to move the system around within AD OUs.  For example, before putting
the machine into its "permanent" OU, I may want to put it into a software OU
so that certain packages will be installed first.  So what command line
tool(s) would you recommend for this.  I really appreciate your help!!!

Thanks,

Cory
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RE: [ActiveDir] Investigating GC queries

2005-02-13 Thread joe
Title: Investigating GC queries



First thing I would do is look at the DNS records for that 
site. Is the GC you are concerned about listed in the records for that site? Are 
there any records for the site?
 
If not, I would look at a network trace. This should be 
pretty simple in terms of decoding the trace since DNS traffic is all clear 
text. You should see the resolution request, look at what is returned. Then look 
to see where the client goes after that. Does it query again? The next one 
should be a anything in the domain query, not a site 
specific.
 
   joe


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How would I best 
troubleshoot a machine that seems to be always be going to an off-site GC to get 
its queries answered? I have verified the machine’s subnet is 
in Sites & Svcs, 
and that the subnet is assigned 
to site closest by (it is in a different building, but here on the same 
local campus, with a fiber connection between the 2 buildings). Yet it 
usually finds the GC in Chicago, over a much slower WAN link. Just not sure what 
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Re: [ActiveDir] Very OT: Please Settle a Bet

2005-02-13 Thread ASB
Win95 was a 32-bit OS, with a lot of 16-bit code for compatibility
reasons.  There was a fairly significant 16--to-32-bit thunking layer.

It was not dependent on DOS in the way that WFW was dependent on DOS,
even though it contained more 16-bit code than its NT counterparts...


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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:54:18 -0500, Dan DeStefano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Could anyone settle a bet for me? I would like to know if Windows 95 was a
> 16 or 32-bit OS. One of us is saying that it was natively 32-bit, but ran
> 16-bit apps in a VM, while the other one is saying the reverse: it was a
> 16-bit OS that was capable of running 32-bit apps in a VM.
> 
>  
> 
> Also, one person is saying that W95 required DOS (like Win3.1.1) and the
> other is saying that, while built on DOS, DOS was not required and the OS
> went above and beyond its DOS roots.
> 
>  
> 
> If anyone can settle these issues and offer proof like links to Web pages
> and such, we would be grateful.
>
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RE: [ActiveDir] Very OT: Please Settle a Bet

2005-02-13 Thread Ken Schaefer








What’s the definition of a 32 bit
OS? I only ask because Mark Russinovich’s book says that Win95 contained
oodles of 16 bit code. So the absence of 16bit code isn’t a requirement
for having a 32bit OS.

 

Cheers

Ken

 











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Please Settle a Bet



 

I've alway described
Win95 as a 24 bit operating system myself...

 

Actually, the OS (i.e.
the kernel) is (was) definitely 32-bit code. Rick backed into the correct
answer with that damn logic thing again.

 

However. explorer.exe
(i.e. the GUI) was most definitely a 16-bit app, because at the time they
hadn't figured out all the 32 bit optimizations for graphics - they had done
all the 3.x work in 16 bit. IMO - this is one of the reasons 9x has always been
relatively unstable - the mixture of 16 and 32 bit code.



 





Roger






Roger Seielstad
E-mail Geek & MS-MVP 





 





 







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Please Settle a Bet

Charles,

 

I follow your line of
thinking and would tend to agree except for my first foray into Networked
OS’s – Netware.  Netware is CLEARLY an OS – is CLEARLY
32-bit, but requires DOS to boot the kernel, which then continues to load the
required pieces of Netware on the Netware kernel.  

 

So, in that –
Netware is not a frontend for DOS – it simply uses the load routines of
DOS to get going, then switches the processor to privileged mode to operate
with all of the features of the processor in 32-bit mode.

 

The question that should
be asked is this, which should solve the current puzzle and bet:

 

Can Windows 95 be run on
a 80286 processor?  If not – and must be run on a 80386 and greater
– it’s 32-bit and using privileged mode and the features that it
affords.

 

The answer to the above
question is no – it must be run on a 386 or greater processor because it
requires 32-bit addressing.  It emulates 16-bit for those legacy apps the
needed it.  DOS was used, as in Netware, as a launching platform for the
‘kernel’ (though not in anyway as complex).  The downside to
Win95 was the obvious leverage on some DOS functions, and complete lack of any
security and a very lackluster separation of program to program corruption.

 

If you want more info
– see here.  http://www.webdevelopersjournal.com/archive/win95.html

 

I remember Greg from the
‘Chicago’
(code name for Win95) beta days, and thought he wrote an article or two.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rick Kingslan  MCSE,
MCSA, MCT, CISSP

Microsoft MVP:

Windows Server / Directory
Services

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Management

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WebLog - www.msmvps.com/willhack4food

 

 









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My vote is that Win 95
required DOS and therefore was a frontend DOS application and not a true
OS.  A good example, watch a Win 95 box boot, it always starts out with
DOS and then DOS runs the interface, WIN 95.





 





Gnome isn't and OS its
simply a shell, DOS is the same thing.





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32 bit cooperatively
multitasked if memory serves ...but it might not ;)





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From:
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Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005
4:54 PM
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Subject: [ActiveDir] Very OT:
Please Settle a Bet

Could anyone settle a bet for me? I would like to
know if Windows 95 was a 16 or 32-bit OS. One of us is saying that it was
natively 32-bit, but ran 16-bit apps in a VM, while the other one is saying the
reverse: it was a 16-bit OS that was capable of running 32-bit apps in a VM.

 

Also, one person is saying that W95 required DOS
(like Win3.1.1) and the other is saying that, while built on DOS, DOS was not
required and the OS went above and beyond its DOS roots.

 

If anyone can settle these issues and offer proof
like links to Web pages and such, we would be grateful.

 

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Daniel DeStefano

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