Re: [ActiveDir] OT: SBS question
I've never seen SBS, but my younger brother has just started a new job (first one since leaving Uni) and bought a new server and it came with SBS. When he built it it appeared he had no choice but to make it a DC, even though he only wanted it as a member server -there's already an SBS box there. Anyway, we didn't know at the time (this was a phone conversation) so I told him to go ahead with the promotion (thinking it was just a stupid Dell wizard) and demote it later. He did this and now it reboots every day. So, I think I know the answer to this from the tidbits of info. I've seen in the groups and forums, etc. but can the 2nd SBS box be added to the domain with the first SBS or does he need to get a k3 Std. license instead? All he wants at this point in time is a SQL and file server. (As you can guess, this is a small company, he's one of three dev guys there). And, if they wanted to replace the existing SBS box with this new one, how do they go about that if you can't have more than one SBS box? I doubt they want to migrate... Thanks, --Paul - Original Message - From: "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Information about lingering objects in a Windows 2000-based forest or in a Windows Server 2003-based forest: You know us blondes With barely a twig, let alone a tree in our forest...and I'll have you know this twig is clean installed 2k3 domain (I strongly believe in no inplace even in our twig domains down here). (and for the record for everyones trivia tonightwhile I choose to have a single DC (at this time) ... SBS can support additional DCs in our domain hey.. I've even used ntdsutil and ADSIedit even down here ;-) Brett Shirley wrote: Susan, how on earth could _you_ get a lingering object? Seems impossible with only one DC, oh wait did you just forget to delete it? >From The Love, -B On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote: Information about lingering objects in a Windows 2000-based forest or in a Windows Server 2003-based forest: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=910205 -- Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? http://www.threatcode.com If you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I will hunt you down... http://blogs.technet.com/sbs List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx -- Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? http://www.threatcode.com If you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I will hunt you down... http://blogs.technet.com/sbs List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: SBS question
You should only have one SBS per domain, and also per subnet. You should be able to get round this by disabling DHCP on the new server... or putting it on a different subnet, etc. SBS is by it's nature a DC. You can go around hacking bits out of the registry but you will end up violating the EULA. The migration method entirely depends on the size and complexity of the install. You might be better off with a scratch build and build it back, again it depends on the state of play in the domain as it stands, i.e. is it clean? Also, if it's a dev box and they develop for external customers on MS products, then he may be eligible for the Microsoft Action Pack subscription. You can then get a cleaner setup with a 2003 member server loaded with SQL... for a small annual fee. Cheers Rob Robert Rutherford QuoStar Solutions Limited The Enterprise Pavilion Fern Barrow Wallisdown Poole Dorset BH12 5HH T: +44 (0) 8456 440 331 F: +44 (0) 8456 440 332 M: +44 (0) 7974 249 494 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.quostar.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Williams Sent: 03 August 2006 10:00 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: SBS question I've never seen SBS, but my younger brother has just started a new job (first one since leaving Uni) and bought a new server and it came with SBS. When he built it it appeared he had no choice but to make it a DC, even though he only wanted it as a member server -there's already an SBS box there. Anyway, we didn't know at the time (this was a phone conversation) so I told him to go ahead with the promotion (thinking it was just a stupid Dell wizard) and demote it later. He did this and now it reboots every day. So, I think I know the answer to this from the tidbits of info. I've seen in the groups and forums, etc. but can the 2nd SBS box be added to the domain with the first SBS or does he need to get a k3 Std. license instead? All he wants at this point in time is a SQL and file server. (As you can guess, this is a small company, he's one of three dev guys there). And, if they wanted to replace the existing SBS box with this new one, how do they go about that if you can't have more than one SBS box? I doubt they want to migrate... Thanks, --Paul - Original Message - From: "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Information about lingering objects in a Windows 2000-based forest or in a Windows Server 2003-based forest: > You know us blondes > > With barely a twig, let alone a tree in our forest...and I'll have you > know this twig is clean installed 2k3 domain (I strongly believe in no > inplace even in our twig domains down here). > > (and for the record for everyones trivia tonightwhile I choose to have > a single DC (at this time) ... SBS can support additional DCs in our > domain hey.. I've even used ntdsutil and ADSIedit even down here ;-) > > Brett Shirley wrote: >> Susan, how on earth could _you_ get a lingering object? Seems impossible >> with only one DC, oh wait did you just forget to delete it? >> >> >From The Love, >> -B >> >> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote: >> >> >>> Information about lingering objects in a Windows 2000-based forest or in >>> a Windows Server 2003-based forest: >>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=910205 >>> >>> -- >>> Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? >>> http://www.threatcode.com >>> >>> If you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I >>> will hunt you down... >>> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs >>> >>> List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx >>> List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx >>> List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx >>> >>> >> >> List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx >> List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx >> List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx >> >> > > -- > Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? > http://www.threatcode.com > > If you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I > will hunt you down... > http://blogs.technet.com/sbs > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: SBS question
SBS must be a PDC of a network.. you are seeing the effects of "SBSCore" a dll that checks to make sure you are running SBS as a domain controller and that there are no other SBS servers in the network. If it does, it will say "sorry Dude, I ain't running" and will reboot constantly. It's a license checking mechanism to ensure you meet the EULA on the box. You can't have two SBS boxes on the same network. Oh..oh when did they buy this? If this is OEM.. and he bought it after March of this year.. there's a technology upgrade program where he can get R2. What's cool about R2 is the license. It allows you to have additional SQL servers in the network without having to buy SQL cals. The SBS cals will cover. But he can't have 2 SBS boxes. But this also depends on if he can run SQL 2005 workgroup as the R2 era has that as it's SQL flavor. As far as replacing the SBS box.. we have a method for that that we recommend at www.sbsmigration.com Please.. by all means... give him my email address. We need to get him to SBS resources. He's got a lot of options here.. but he's now in SBSland and we do things a little differently and this isn't the venue for a SBS discussion. Forward him this email, give him my email addy... we need to talk. He's got options. Paul Williams wrote: I've never seen SBS, but my younger brother has just started a new job (first one since leaving Uni) and bought a new server and it came with SBS. When he built it it appeared he had no choice but to make it a DC, even though he only wanted it as a member server -there's already an SBS box there. Anyway, we didn't know at the time (this was a phone conversation) so I told him to go ahead with the promotion (thinking it was just a stupid Dell wizard) and demote it later. He did this and now it reboots every day. So, I think I know the answer to this from the tidbits of info. I've seen in the groups and forums, etc. but can the 2nd SBS box be added to the domain with the first SBS or does he need to get a k3 Std. license instead? All he wants at this point in time is a SQL and file server. (As you can guess, this is a small company, he's one of three dev guys there). And, if they wanted to replace the existing SBS box with this new one, how do they go about that if you can't have more than one SBS box? I doubt they want to migrate... Thanks, --Paul - Original Message - From: "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Information about lingering objects in a Windows 2000-based forest or in a Windows Server 2003-based forest: You know us blondes With barely a twig, let alone a tree in our forest...and I'll have you know this twig is clean installed 2k3 domain (I strongly believe in no inplace even in our twig domains down here). (and for the record for everyones trivia tonightwhile I choose to have a single DC (at this time) ... SBS can support additional DCs in our domain hey.. I've even used ntdsutil and ADSIedit even down here ;-) Brett Shirley wrote: Susan, how on earth could _you_ get a lingering object? Seems impossible with only one DC, oh wait did you just forget to delete it? >From The Love, -B On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote: Information about lingering objects in a Windows 2000-based forest or in a Windows Server 2003-based forest: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=910205 -- Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? http://www.threatcode.com If you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I will hunt you down... http://blogs.technet.com/sbs List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx -- Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? http://www.threatcode.com If you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I will hunt you down... http://blogs.technet.com/sbs List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: SBS question
...and btw we have a lot of SBS boxes installed in homes... in case you ever want to play with active directory in a home environment :-) Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote: SBS must be a PDC of a network.. you are seeing the effects of "SBSCore" a dll that checks to make sure you are running SBS as a domain controller and that there are no other SBS servers in the network. If it does, it will say "sorry Dude, I ain't running" and will reboot constantly. It's a license checking mechanism to ensure you meet the EULA on the box. You can't have two SBS boxes on the same network. Oh..oh when did they buy this? If this is OEM.. and he bought it after March of this year.. there's a technology upgrade program where he can get R2. What's cool about R2 is the license. It allows you to have additional SQL servers in the network without having to buy SQL cals. The SBS cals will cover. But he can't have 2 SBS boxes. But this also depends on if he can run SQL 2005 workgroup as the R2 era has that as it's SQL flavor. As far as replacing the SBS box.. we have a method for that that we recommend at www.sbsmigration.com Please.. by all means... give him my email address. We need to get him to SBS resources. He's got a lot of options here.. but he's now in SBSland and we do things a little differently and this isn't the venue for a SBS discussion. Forward him this email, give him my email addy... we need to talk. He's got options. Paul Williams wrote: I've never seen SBS, but my younger brother has just started a new job (first one since leaving Uni) and bought a new server and it came with SBS. When he built it it appeared he had no choice but to make it a DC, even though he only wanted it as a member server -there's already an SBS box there. Anyway, we didn't know at the time (this was a phone conversation) so I told him to go ahead with the promotion (thinking it was just a stupid Dell wizard) and demote it later. He did this and now it reboots every day. So, I think I know the answer to this from the tidbits of info. I've seen in the groups and forums, etc. but can the 2nd SBS box be added to the domain with the first SBS or does he need to get a k3 Std. license instead? All he wants at this point in time is a SQL and file server. (As you can guess, this is a small company, he's one of three dev guys there). And, if they wanted to replace the existing SBS box with this new one, how do they go about that if you can't have more than one SBS box? I doubt they want to migrate... Thanks, --Paul - Original Message - From: "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Information about lingering objects in a Windows 2000-based forest or in a Windows Server 2003-based forest: You know us blondes With barely a twig, let alone a tree in our forest...and I'll have you know this twig is clean installed 2k3 domain (I strongly believe in no inplace even in our twig domains down here). (and for the record for everyones trivia tonightwhile I choose to have a single DC (at this time) ... SBS can support additional DCs in our domain hey.. I've even used ntdsutil and ADSIedit even down here ;-) Brett Shirley wrote: Susan, how on earth could _you_ get a lingering object? Seems impossible with only one DC, oh wait did you just forget to delete it? >From The Love, -B On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote: Information about lingering objects in a Windows 2000-based forest or in a Windows Server 2003-based forest: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=910205 -- Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? http://www.threatcode.com If you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I will hunt you down... http://blogs.technet.com/sbs List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx -- Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? http://www.threatcode.com If you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... I will hunt you down... http://blogs.technet.com/sbs List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx List info : http://www.acti
