RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

[Sullivan, Kevin]

http://www.microsoft.com/biztalk/

-Original Message-
From: Salandra, Justin A. [mailto:jasalandra@;chcsnet.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:08 PM
To: ActiveDir (E-mail)
Subject: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

What is Biztalk used for?  My CIO asked me to look at it and I have
never
used it before.  Does anyone use it out there?  If so what do you do
with
it?

Justin A. Salandra, MCSE
Senior Network Engineer
Catholic Healthcare System
914.681.8117 office
646.483.3325 cell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

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RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

[Rick Kingslan]

Hahaha!  Boy, are you in for a REAL shock!  Justin, you're poised on one
really TALL cliff! 

Cool technology, but one does not just drop in the CD, click a few
buttons, connect A to B, then begin the transactions.

Given your tagline, I suspect they are wanting to look at it for the
HIPAA module(s) that MS offers to do transactions in lieu of EDI - which
isn't as ubiquitous (or nearly as secure) as the medical/insurance
industry needs it to be.

At a 50,000 foot level, BizTalk is Microsoft's server for creating
business logic and rules in XML, and allowing it to communicate across
the common communication verbs that is XML, SOAP, etc.

With all due respect, Justin - (there may be one here, I don't know) you
need to find an expert on BizTalk and the medical industry.  This one's
a REAL toughy!  I'd run away very fast if at all possible.

Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT
Microsoft MVP - Active Directory
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone





> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@;mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of 
> Salandra, Justin A.
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:08 PM
> To: ActiveDir (E-mail)
> Subject: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> 
> 
> What is Biztalk used for?  My CIO asked me to look at it and 
> I have never used it before.  Does anyone use it out there?  
> If so what do you do with it?
> 
> Justin A. Salandra, MCSE
> Senior Network Engineer
> Catholic Healthcare System
> 914.681.8117 office
> 646.483.3325 cell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
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RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

[Roger Seielstad]

Two things.

First, what is called Enterprise Application Integration - functioning as a
middleman between different business systems, such as financials, sales
force automation, and helpdesk/support software.

Second, it facilitates business to business commerce through a couple of
standards that are out there, most notably XML.

Now - its not a plug and play solution - it's a development platform onto
which you can build your business logic and interfaces to other systems. In
addition, there are plenty of other customers out there with more offerings
and more experience in these areas. I happen to work for one of them.
http://www.inovis.com

Roger
--
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Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Salandra, Justin A. [mailto:jasalandra@;chcsnet.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:08 PM
> To: ActiveDir (E-mail)
> Subject: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> 
> 
> What is Biztalk used for?  My CIO asked me to look at it and 
> I have never
> used it before.  Does anyone use it out there?  If so what do 
> you do with
> it?
> 
> Justin A. Salandra, MCSE
> Senior Network Engineer
> Catholic Healthcare System
> 914.681.8117 office
> 646.483.3325 cell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> 
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RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

[Roger Seielstad]

That's a fairly accurate description, although there are some other parts to
it.

EDI is alive and well, and actually still a growth market, in large part
because of the dot crash companies like Ariba and CommerceOne who sold a
sold a bill of goods that couldn't be delivered. There are traditional
strongholds for EDI, such as manufacturing, automotive and petrochemical,
but healthcare is still seriously considering it as it provides a lot of
cross platform opportunities. In addition, it is as secure as you want to
make it. We regularly traffic EDI for companies that require end to end
encryption and authentication via EDI.

I completely concur, however, that no solution is z:\setup.exe  
  when it comes to HIPAA compliance and the larger picture of
EAI or B2B data management. This is one where rolling your own solution
might be a bit more than you want to bite off.

Roger
--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Kingslan [mailto:rkingsla@;cox.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:31 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> 
> 
> Hahaha!  Boy, are you in for a REAL shock!  Justin, you're 
> poised on one
> really TALL cliff! 
> 
> Cool technology, but one does not just drop in the CD, click a few
> buttons, connect A to B, then begin the transactions.
> 
> Given your tagline, I suspect they are wanting to look at it for the
> HIPAA module(s) that MS offers to do transactions in lieu of 
> EDI - which
> isn't as ubiquitous (or nearly as secure) as the medical/insurance
> industry needs it to be.
> 
> At a 50,000 foot level, BizTalk is Microsoft's server for creating
> business logic and rules in XML, and allowing it to communicate across
> the common communication verbs that is XML, SOAP, etc.
> 
> With all due respect, Justin - (there may be one here, I 
> don't know) you
> need to find an expert on BizTalk and the medical industry.  
> This one's
> a REAL toughy!  I'd run away very fast if at all possible.
> 
> Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT
> Microsoft MVP - Active Directory
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@;mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Salandra, Justin A.
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:08 PM
> > To: ActiveDir (E-mail)
> > Subject: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> > 
> > 
> > What is Biztalk used for?  My CIO asked me to look at it and 
> > I have never used it before.  Does anyone use it out there?  
> > If so what do you do with it?
> > 
> > Justin A. Salandra, MCSE
> > Senior Network Engineer
> > Catholic Healthcare System
> > 914.681.8117 office
> > 646.483.3325 cell
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:jasalandra@;chcsnet.org> 
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RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

[Salandra, Justin A.]

I read that web  page but can't make head and tails of what BizTalk will
actually do for me.

 -Original Message-
From:   Sullivan, Kevin [mailto:KSullivan@;aelita.com] 
Sent:   Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:        RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

http://www.microsoft.com/biztalk/

-Original Message-
From: Salandra, Justin A. [mailto:jasalandra@;chcsnet.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:08 PM
To: ActiveDir (E-mail)
Subject: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

What is Biztalk used for?  My CIO asked me to look at it and I have
never
used it before.  Does anyone use it out there?  If so what do you do
with
it?

Justin A. Salandra, MCSE
Senior Network Engineer
Catholic Healthcare System
914.681.8117 office
646.483.3325 cell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:jasalandra@;chcsnet.org> 

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RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

[Roger Seielstad]

What do you *want* it to do for you?

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Salandra, Justin A. [mailto:jasalandra@;chcsnet.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:27 AM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> 
> 
> I read that web  page but can't make head and tails of what 
> BizTalk will
> actually do for me.
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Sullivan, Kevin [mailto:KSullivan@;aelita.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:24 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> 
http://www.microsoft.com/biztalk/

-Original Message-
From: Salandra, Justin A. [mailto:jasalandra@;chcsnet.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:08 PM
To: ActiveDir (E-mail)
Subject: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

What is Biztalk used for?  My CIO asked me to look at it and I have
never
used it before.  Does anyone use it out there?  If so what do you do
with
it?

Justin A. Salandra, MCSE
Senior Network Engineer
Catholic Healthcare System
914.681.8117 office
646.483.3325 cell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:jasalandra@;chcsnet.org> 

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RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

[Rick Kingslan]

Point(s) taken.  Thanks for the correction, Roger.  I wasn't aware that
EDI was still so 'alive and kicking'.

Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT
Microsoft MVP - Active Directory
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone





> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@;mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of 
> Roger Seielstad
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:22 AM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> 
> 
> That's a fairly accurate description, although there are some 
> other parts to it.
> 
> EDI is alive and well, and actually still a growth market, in 
> large part because of the dot crash companies like Ariba and 
> CommerceOne who sold a sold a bill of goods that couldn't be 
> delivered. There are traditional strongholds for EDI, such as 
> manufacturing, automotive and petrochemical, but healthcare 
> is still seriously considering it as it provides a lot of 
> cross platform opportunities. In addition, it is as secure as 
> you want to make it. We regularly traffic EDI for companies 
> that require end to end encryption and authentication via EDI.
> 
> I completely concur, however, that no solution is 
> z:\setup.exe when it comes to 
> HIPAA compliance and the larger picture of EAI or B2B data 
> management. This is one where rolling your own solution might 
> be a bit more than you want to bite off.
> 
> Roger
> --
> Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
> Sr. Systems Administrator
> Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> Atlanta, GA
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rick Kingslan [mailto:rkingsla@;cox.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:31 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> > 
> > 
> > Hahaha!  Boy, are you in for a REAL shock!  Justin, you're
> > poised on one
> > really TALL cliff! 
> > 
> > Cool technology, but one does not just drop in the CD, click a few 
> > buttons, connect A to B, then begin the transactions.
> > 
> > Given your tagline, I suspect they are wanting to look at 
> it for the 
> > HIPAA module(s) that MS offers to do transactions in lieu of EDI - 
> > which isn't as ubiquitous (or nearly as secure) as the 
> > medical/insurance industry needs it to be.
> > 
> > At a 50,000 foot level, BizTalk is Microsoft's server for creating 
> > business logic and rules in XML, and allowing it to 
> communicate across 
> > the common communication verbs that is XML, SOAP, etc.
> > 
> > With all due respect, Justin - (there may be one here, I
> > don't know) you
> > need to find an expert on BizTalk and the medical industry.  
> > This one's
> > a REAL toughy!  I'd run away very fast if at all possible.
> > 
> > Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT
> > Microsoft MVP - Active Directory
> > Associate Expert
> > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@;mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of 
> > > Salandra, Justin A.
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:08 PM
> > > To: ActiveDir (E-mail)
> > > Subject: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> > > 
> > > 
> > > What is Biztalk used for?  My CIO asked me to look at it and
> > > I have never used it before.  Does anyone use it out there?  
> > > If so what do you do with it?
> > > 
> > > Justin A. Salandra, MCSE
> > > Senior Network Engineer
> > > Catholic Healthcare System
> > > 914.681.8117 office
> > > 646.483.3325 cell
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:jasalandra@;chcsnet.org>
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RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

[Salandra, Justin A.]

I am just trying to understand basically what it does, I think that my CIO
wants to use it as an interface between medical systems like IDX, Siemens
and iMckesson.

 -Original Message-
From:   Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] 
Sent:   Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:56 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject:    RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

What do you *want* it to do for you?

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Salandra, Justin A. [mailto:jasalandra@;chcsnet.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:27 AM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> 
> 
> I read that web  page but can't make head and tails of what 
> BizTalk will
> actually do for me.
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Sullivan, Kevin [mailto:KSullivan@;aelita.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:24 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> 
http://www.microsoft.com/biztalk/

-Original Message-
From: Salandra, Justin A. [mailto:jasalandra@;chcsnet.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:08 PM
To: ActiveDir (E-mail)
Subject: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

What is Biztalk used for?  My CIO asked me to look at it and I have
never
used it before.  Does anyone use it out there?  If so what do you do
with
it?

Justin A. Salandra, MCSE
Senior Network Engineer
Catholic Healthcare System
914.681.8117 office
646.483.3325 cell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:jasalandra@;chcsnet.org> 

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RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

[Larry A. Duncan]

These are all good points, but is this the platform for discussing
BizTalk issues?

Larry A. Duncan, MCSA/MCSE
Directory Services Engineer/
Systems Management Consultant
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ph. 615.598.0241


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@;mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

Point(s) taken.  Thanks for the correction, Roger.  I wasn't aware that
EDI was still so 'alive and kicking'.

Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT
Microsoft MVP - Active Directory
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone





> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@;mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of 
> Roger Seielstad
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:22 AM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> 
> 
> That's a fairly accurate description, although there are some 
> other parts to it.
> 
> EDI is alive and well, and actually still a growth market, in 
> large part because of the dot crash companies like Ariba and 
> CommerceOne who sold a sold a bill of goods that couldn't be 
> delivered. There are traditional strongholds for EDI, such as 
> manufacturing, automotive and petrochemical, but healthcare 
> is still seriously considering it as it provides a lot of 
> cross platform opportunities. In addition, it is as secure as 
> you want to make it. We regularly traffic EDI for companies 
> that require end to end encryption and authentication via EDI.
> 
> I completely concur, however, that no solution is 
> z:\setup.exe when it comes to 
> HIPAA compliance and the larger picture of EAI or B2B data 
> management. This is one where rolling your own solution might 
> be a bit more than you want to bite off.
> 
> Roger
> --
> Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
> Sr. Systems Administrator
> Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> Atlanta, GA
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rick Kingslan [mailto:rkingsla@;cox.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:31 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> > 
> > 
> > Hahaha!  Boy, are you in for a REAL shock!  Justin, you're
> > poised on one
> > really TALL cliff! 
> > 
> > Cool technology, but one does not just drop in the CD, click a few 
> > buttons, connect A to B, then begin the transactions.
> > 
> > Given your tagline, I suspect they are wanting to look at 
> it for the 
> > HIPAA module(s) that MS offers to do transactions in lieu of EDI - 
> > which isn't as ubiquitous (or nearly as secure) as the 
> > medical/insurance industry needs it to be.
> > 
> > At a 50,000 foot level, BizTalk is Microsoft's server for creating 
> > business logic and rules in XML, and allowing it to 
> communicate across 
> > the common communication verbs that is XML, SOAP, etc.
> > 
> > With all due respect, Justin - (there may be one here, I
> > don't know) you
> > need to find an expert on BizTalk and the medical industry.  
> > This one's
> > a REAL toughy!  I'd run away very fast if at all possible.
> > 
> > Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT
> > Microsoft MVP - Active Directory
> > Associate Expert
> > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@;mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of 
> > > Salandra, Justin A.
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:08 PM
> > > To: ActiveDir (E-mail)
> > > Subject: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> > > 
> > > 
> > > What is Biztalk used for?  My CIO asked me to look at it and
> > > I have never used it before.  Does anyone use it out there?  
> > > If so what do you do with it?
> > > 
> > > Justin A. Salandra, MCSE
> > > Senior Network Engineer
> > > Catholic Healthcare System
> > > 914.681.8117 office
> > > 646.483.3325 cell
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:jasalandra@;chcsnet.org>
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RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

[Roger Seielstad]

Trust me. I've got a million transactions a day of it running through our
systems. ;) Its one of many things we do.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Kingslan [mailto:rkingsla@;cox.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:07 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> 
> 
> Point(s) taken.  Thanks for the correction, Roger.  I wasn't 
> aware that
> EDI was still so 'alive and kicking'.
> 
> Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT
> Microsoft MVP - Active Directory
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@;mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Roger Seielstad
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:22 AM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> > 
> > 
> > That's a fairly accurate description, although there are some 
> > other parts to it.
> > 
> > EDI is alive and well, and actually still a growth market, in 
> > large part because of the dot crash companies like Ariba and 
> > CommerceOne who sold a sold a bill of goods that couldn't be 
> > delivered. There are traditional strongholds for EDI, such as 
> > manufacturing, automotive and petrochemical, but healthcare 
> > is still seriously considering it as it provides a lot of 
> > cross platform opportunities. In addition, it is as secure as 
> > you want to make it. We regularly traffic EDI for companies 
> > that require end to end encryption and authentication via EDI.
> > 
> > I completely concur, however, that no solution is 
> > z:\setup.exe when it comes to 
> > HIPAA compliance and the larger picture of EAI or B2B data 
> > management. This is one where rolling your own solution might 
> > be a bit more than you want to bite off.
> > 
> > Roger
> > --
> > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
> > Sr. Systems Administrator
> > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> > Atlanta, GA
> > 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Rick Kingslan [mailto:rkingsla@;cox.net]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:31 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hahaha!  Boy, are you in for a REAL shock!  Justin, you're
> > > poised on one
> > > really TALL cliff! 
> > > 
> > > Cool technology, but one does not just drop in the CD, 
> click a few 
> > > buttons, connect A to B, then begin the transactions.
> > > 
> > > Given your tagline, I suspect they are wanting to look at 
> > it for the 
> > > HIPAA module(s) that MS offers to do transactions in lieu 
> of EDI - 
> > > which isn't as ubiquitous (or nearly as secure) as the 
> > > medical/insurance industry needs it to be.
> > > 
> > > At a 50,000 foot level, BizTalk is Microsoft's server for 
> creating 
> > > business logic and rules in XML, and allowing it to 
> > communicate across 
> > > the common communication verbs that is XML, SOAP, etc.
> > > 
> > > With all due respect, Justin - (there may be one here, I
> > > don't know) you
> > > need to find an expert on BizTalk and the medical industry.  
> > > This one's
> > > a REAL toughy!  I'd run away very fast if at all possible.
> > > 
> > > Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT
> > > Microsoft MVP - Active Directory
> > > Associate Expert
> > > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@;mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of 
> > > > Salandra, Justin A.
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:08 PM
> > > > To: ActiveDir (E-mail)
> > > > Subject: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > What is Biztalk used for?  My CIO asked me to look at it and
> > > > I have never used it before.  Does anyone use it out there?  
> > > > If so what do you do with it?
> > > > 
> > > > Justin A. Salandra, MCSE
> >

RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

[Rick Kingslan]

Probably not - and I agree.  But there are a lot of off-topic issues
that are discussed here, Larry.

If Tony wants to stop it, I'd invite him to do so.  I have no problems
with the list owner killing a conversation.

Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT
Microsoft MVP - Active Directory
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone





> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@;mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of 
> Larry A. Duncan
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:18 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> 
> 
> These are all good points, but is this the platform for 
> discussing BizTalk issues?
> 
> Larry A. Duncan, MCSA/MCSE
> Directory Services Engineer/
> Systems Management Consultant
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ph. 615.598.0241
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@;mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:07 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> 
> Point(s) taken.  Thanks for the correction, Roger.  I wasn't 
> aware that EDI was still so 'alive and kicking'.
> 
> Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT
> Microsoft MVP - Active Directory
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@;mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Roger Seielstad
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:22 AM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> > 
> > 
> > That's a fairly accurate description, although there are some
> > other parts to it.
> > 
> > EDI is alive and well, and actually still a growth market, in
> > large part because of the dot crash companies like Ariba and 
> > CommerceOne who sold a sold a bill of goods that couldn't be 
> > delivered. There are traditional strongholds for EDI, such as 
> > manufacturing, automotive and petrochemical, but healthcare 
> > is still seriously considering it as it provides a lot of 
> > cross platform opportunities. In addition, it is as secure as 
> > you want to make it. We regularly traffic EDI for companies 
> > that require end to end encryption and authentication via EDI.
> > 
> > I completely concur, however, that no solution is
> > z:\setup.exe when it comes to 
> > HIPAA compliance and the larger picture of EAI or B2B data 
> > management. This is one where rolling your own solution might 
> > be a bit more than you want to bite off.
> > 
> > Roger
> > --------------
> > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
> > Sr. Systems Administrator
> > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> > Atlanta, GA
> > 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Rick Kingslan [mailto:rkingsla@;cox.net]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:31 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hahaha!  Boy, are you in for a REAL shock!  Justin, 
> you're poised on 
> > > one really TALL cliff!
> > > 
> > > Cool technology, but one does not just drop in the CD, click a few
> > > buttons, connect A to B, then begin the transactions.
> > > 
> > > Given your tagline, I suspect they are wanting to look at
> > it for the
> > > HIPAA module(s) that MS offers to do transactions in lieu of EDI -
> > > which isn't as ubiquitous (or nearly as secure) as the 
> > > medical/insurance industry needs it to be.
> > > 
> > > At a 50,000 foot level, BizTalk is Microsoft's server for creating
> > > business logic and rules in XML, and allowing it to 
> > communicate across
> > > the common communication verbs that is XML, SOAP, etc.
> > > 
> > > With all due respect, Justin - (there may be one here, I 
> don't know) 
> > > you need to find an expert on BizTalk and the medical industry.
> > > This one's
> > > a REAL toughy!  I'd run away very fast if at all possible.
> > > 
> > > Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT
> > > Microsoft MVP - Active Directory
> > > Associate Expert
> > > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL P

RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

[Roger Seielstad]

To some degree, yes. Its probably gone a bit off topic, however.

Personally, I've been thinking about looking at Biztalk to manage
Exchange/AD stuff. I'm thinking it would be relatively trivial to write some
AD interfaces for Biztalk such that you can plug it into any of a number of
HR packages to do user adds and changes. But I don't have time to go there,
so I haven't played with it yet.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Larry A. Duncan [mailto:larry.duncan@;comptrends.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:18 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> 
> 
> These are all good points, but is this the platform for discussing
> BizTalk issues?
> 
> Larry A. Duncan, MCSA/MCSE
> Directory Services Engineer/
> Systems Management Consultant
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ph. 615.598.0241
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@;mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:07 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> 
> Point(s) taken.  Thanks for the correction, Roger.  I wasn't 
> aware that
> EDI was still so 'alive and kicking'.
> 
> Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT
> Microsoft MVP - Active Directory
> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@;mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Roger Seielstad
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:22 AM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> > 
> > 
> > That's a fairly accurate description, although there are some 
> > other parts to it.
> > 
> > EDI is alive and well, and actually still a growth market, in 
> > large part because of the dot crash companies like Ariba and 
> > CommerceOne who sold a sold a bill of goods that couldn't be 
> > delivered. There are traditional strongholds for EDI, such as 
> > manufacturing, automotive and petrochemical, but healthcare 
> > is still seriously considering it as it provides a lot of 
> > cross platform opportunities. In addition, it is as secure as 
> > you want to make it. We regularly traffic EDI for companies 
> > that require end to end encryption and authentication via EDI.
> > 
> > I completely concur, however, that no solution is 
> > z:\setup.exe when it comes to 
> > HIPAA compliance and the larger picture of EAI or B2B data 
> > management. This is one where rolling your own solution might 
> > be a bit more than you want to bite off.
> > 
> > Roger
> > --------------
> > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
> > Sr. Systems Administrator
> > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> > Atlanta, GA
> > 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Rick Kingslan [mailto:rkingsla@;cox.net]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:31 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hahaha!  Boy, are you in for a REAL shock!  Justin, you're
> > > poised on one
> > > really TALL cliff! 
> > > 
> > > Cool technology, but one does not just drop in the CD, 
> click a few 
> > > buttons, connect A to B, then begin the transactions.
> > > 
> > > Given your tagline, I suspect they are wanting to look at 
> > it for the 
> > > HIPAA module(s) that MS offers to do transactions in lieu 
> of EDI - 
> > > which isn't as ubiquitous (or nearly as secure) as the 
> > > medical/insurance industry needs it to be.
> > > 
> > > At a 50,000 foot level, BizTalk is Microsoft's server for 
> creating 
> > > business logic and rules in XML, and allowing it to 
> > communicate across 
> > > the common communication verbs that is XML, SOAP, etc.
> > > 
> > > With all due respect, Justin - (there may be one here, I
> > > don't know) you
> > > need to find an expert on BizTalk and the medical industry.  
> > > This one's
> > > a REAL toughy!  I'd run away very fast if at all possible.
> > > 
> > > Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT
> > > Microsoft MVP - Active Directory
> > > Associate Expert
> >

RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk

[Roger Seielstad]

It can probably do that. As Rick said, it isn't drop in and go, its gonna
take dev work to pull off. But it can do the job.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -Original Message-
> From: Salandra, Justin A. [mailto:jasalandra@;chcsnet.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:16 AM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> 
> 
> I am just trying to understand basically what it does, I 
> think that my CIO
> wants to use it as an interface between medical systems like 
> IDX, Siemens
> and iMckesson.
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:56 AM
> To:   '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject:  RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> 
> What do you *want* it to do for you?
> 
> --
> Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
> Sr. Systems Administrator
> Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> Atlanta, GA
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Salandra, Justin A. [mailto:jasalandra@;chcsnet.org] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:27 AM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> > 
> > 
> > I read that web  page but can't make head and tails of what 
> > BizTalk will
> > actually do for me.
> > 
> >  -----Original Message-
> > From:   Sullivan, Kevin [mailto:KSullivan@;aelita.com] 
> > Sent:   Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:24 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:RE: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> > 
> http://www.microsoft.com/biztalk/
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Salandra, Justin A. [mailto:jasalandra@;chcsnet.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:08 PM
> To: ActiveDir (E-mail)
> Subject: [ActiveDir] Biztalk
> 
> What is Biztalk used for?  My CIO asked me to look at it and I have
> never
> used it before.  Does anyone use it out there?  If so what do you do
> with
> it?
> 
> Justin A. Salandra, MCSE
> Senior Network Engineer
> Catholic Healthcare System
> 914.681.8117 office
> 646.483.3325 cell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:jasalandra@;chcsnet.org> 
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