RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot)
This is a builtin feature of E2K... XADM: Exchange 2000 Installation Requires Access to Schema Master (http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=280178) http://www.petri.co.il/exchange_disasterecovery_switch.htm It is a check the exchange schema update has been applied I also remember another buggy feature of resetting custom permissions on the exchange container to the default permissions. Not sure it that was resolved by some hotfix Cheers, Jorge -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 18:48 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot) I'm trying to install exchange 2k with the diasterrecovery switch. I have no connectivity to the Schema master FSMO at the moment and exchange keeps telling me it can't go forward because it can't contact the Schema master. Now, i'm not trying to run forestprep(this has already been done). I'm just reinstalling an exchange server that exists in AD already? Why would it need the schema master? Does someone know of a MS document that says installing subsequent exchange servers or reinstalling an existing server or running the diasterrecovery switch requires connectivity to the schema master? because this makes no sense to me. It doesn't need to write to the schema. Forestprep has been run and there is an existing exchange org in the forest. I'm running this reinstall as a EA and exchange full admin. Help?!! Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] ä§Vryã±-í¾4ibé²½bâ® This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ��V�r�y���-�÷¾4���i�b��b��
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot)
a list of all servers in the topology with their home domain DNS names. This causes the DSProxy RFR service to return global catalogs only from the root directory of the mailbox of the client. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:18 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot) Sheesh, i'm getting to hate Exchange That's a very common feeling. Eventually people either come to love it or learn to live with it - ask Joe :-) Anyway, your question is broad, but let me briefly explain this: When you ran ForestPrep, you are just creating (empty) place-holders in the Schema for Exchange-specific objects and attributes. Things like ms-Exch-Information-Store, ms-Exch-IP-Address, like Org name, server name, Routing Groups, etc. You were putting the structure in place, so to speak. Now, that you are really installing Exchange, the install process needs to supply values for some of those place-holders. We need to plug in the name of the Exchange server(s), the admin/routing group info, things like that. You follow? If you REALLY must know what's done when and where, the Exchange Server Technical Reference is a good (and informative) weekend-killer. You should be able to download it from the exchange site on microsoft.com/exchange Good luck. Now I have to bail. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kern, Tom Sent: Fri 8/26/2005 10:56 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot) Can you tell me what setup needs to write to the schema? Isn't this kinda a bug or at the least a big annoyance that everytime you need to recover or install a new exchange server, you need connectivity to the schema master? What would a reinstall need to write, anyway? its already in AD. What the heck is it doing? whats the point of forestprep then? Sheesh, i'm getting to hate Exchange. Thanks, i'll see if your hack works and write back. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 8/26/2005 1:09 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Cc: Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot)
I would bet along those lines as well. I have seen multiple similar cases in Exchange where the Schema rights were needed, I think ADC comes to mind right off as I seem to recall getting into a rather pissy mood one day when I had to give Exchange admins Schema Admin rights to install another ADC instance. If it were simply a case of I need to look that is fine, you don't need schema admin for that. The fact that they say, I need to look, and you need to be a schema admin in the off chance that I need to update something is crap and in my opinion poor design though if I were the designer I would rather it be called a bug. This whole thing gets back to assumptions made in that system. More times than not I am usually trying to figure out why in the world the assumptions are what they are. It sometimes makes me think that they polled the customers by going into three local mom and pop stores and asked them how they configured their Exchange systems. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. SmithSent: Friday, August 26, 2005 4:50 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot) I've asked "Those Who Should Know". If they deign to respond, I'll let you know. :-) If I were a betting man (and I usually am, but not on this), I would bet that Exchange setup connects specifically to the schema master role holder in order to verify that the schema has been updated with forestprep. It would choose the schema master in order to avoid the potential replication delays that could be associated with consulting the "local DC" (that is, that the changes may not have replicated from the schema master to the local DC). While it's arguable that it should check the local DC first, and if it doesn't find it there, then check the schema master -- I could see some developer saying "screw that". That's my best guess. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, TomSent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:45 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot) I have no rights nor connectivity. I ran adsiedit.msc as localsystem on a child dc and changed the fSMORoleHolder attrib on the schema NC to point to the child dc i do have connectivity to and it worked. Mind you- THIS IS A TEST FOREST. I WOULD NEVER DO THIS IN PRODUCTION. still, i'd like to know why setup needs to write to the schema AFTER exchange has already been installed and set up and you have an org and exchange servers running. Does it do this everytime you set up a new exchange server? what is it writing? I'd love to know. Thanks alot! -Original Message- From: Douglas M. Long [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 8/26/2005 3:25 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Cc: Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot)
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot)
The install process still needs to write stuff to the Schema. Try this: On the DC being used by the Exchange server during the install (you can find this by doing set L from a cmd prompt) add the following reg value: HKEY LOCAL MACHINE\System\Current Control Set\Services\NTDS\Parameters Schema Update Allowed Type - REG_DWORD Value - 1 Don't know if it'd work, considering the other problems you've been having to date. But it's worth a try. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kern, Tom Sent: Fri 8/26/2005 9:48 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot) I'm trying to install exchange 2k with the diasterrecovery switch. I have no connectivity to the Schema master FSMO at the moment and exchange keeps telling me it can't go forward because it can't contact the Schema master. Now, i'm not trying to run forestprep(this has already been done). I'm just reinstalling an exchange server that exists in AD already? Why would it need the schema master? Does someone know of a MS document that says installing subsequent exchange servers or reinstalling an existing server or running the diasterrecovery switch requires connectivity to the schema master? because this makes no sense to me. It doesn't need to write to the schema. Forestprep has been run and there is an existing exchange org in the forest. I'm running this reinstall as a EA and exchange full admin. Help?!! Thanks .+w?B+v*rz Vryi?? List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot)
Can you tell me what setup needs to write to the schema? Isn't this kinda a bug or at the least a big annoyance that everytime you need to recover or install a new exchange server, you need connectivity to the schema master? What would a reinstall need to write, anyway? its already in AD. What the heck is it doing? whats the point of forestprep then? Sheesh, i'm getting to hate Exchange. Thanks, i'll see if your hack works and write back. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 8/26/2005 1:09 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Cc: Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot) winmail.dat
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot)
That didn't work. Setup gives me the error that setup cannot run in diasterrecovery mode before running the setup/forestprep ans domain prep switch I just don't understand in my tiny brain why exchange setup in dr switch or reinstall switch(or heck, just installing a second server in AD) would need to write to the schema? can someone please tell me before i pull my hair out? I would say this is not a feature. Thanks -Original Message- From: Kern, Tom on behalf of Kern, Tom Sent: Fri 8/26/2005 1:56 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Cc: Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot) winmail.dat
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot)
Sheesh, i'm getting to hate Exchange That's a very common feeling. Eventually people either come to love it or learn to live with it - ask Joe :-) Anyway, your question is broad, but let me briefly explain this: When you ran ForestPrep, you are just creating (empty) place-holders in the Schema for Exchange-specific objects and attributes. Things like ms-Exch-Information-Store, ms-Exch-IP-Address, like Org name, server name, Routing Groups, etc. You were putting the structure in place, so to speak. Now, that you are really installing Exchange, the install process needs to supply values for some of those place-holders. We need to plug in the name of the Exchange server(s), the admin/routing group info, things like that. You follow? If you REALLY must know what's done when and where, the Exchange Server Technical Reference is a good (and informative) weekend-killer. You should be able to download it from the exchange site on microsoft.com/exchange Good luck. Now I have to bail. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kern, Tom Sent: Fri 8/26/2005 10:56 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot) Can you tell me what setup needs to write to the schema? Isn't this kinda a bug or at the least a big annoyance that everytime you need to recover or install a new exchange server, you need connectivity to the schema master? What would a reinstall need to write, anyway? its already in AD. What the heck is it doing? whats the point of forestprep then? Sheesh, i'm getting to hate Exchange. Thanks, i'll see if your hack works and write back. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 8/26/2005 1:09 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Cc: Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot)
No, I already have an exchange org installed!!! I have 10 exchange servers in my AD. I'm just trying to recover one with the /disasterrecovery switch instead of restoring system state to dissimallar hardware. I'm not introducing exchange into AD for the first time. I have an exchange org and admin group and servers already in place. I'm only trying to recover one. Now, again, before you bail, why does setup need to write to the schema in this case? Exchange is already here. the place holders have been filled with real objects. Help me please!! Ah!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 8/26/2005 2:17 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Cc: Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot) winmail.dat
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot)
Do you just not have rights or do you not even have connectivity? There isnt much information about exactly what you are doing and what has been done, to have a good explanation. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:56 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot) Can you tell me whatsetup needs to write to the schema? Isn't this kinda a bug or at the least a big annoyance that everytime you need to recover or install a new exchange server, you need connectivity to the schema master? What would a reinstall need to write, anyway? its already in AD. What the heck is it doing? whats the point of forestprep then? Sheesh, i'm getting to hate Exchange. Thanks, i'll see if your hack works and write back. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 8/26/2005 1:09 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Cc: Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot)
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot)
Hi Tom, Long-time lurker on the AD mailing list and after seeing your posts in recent weeks I really feel for you!! Anyway, this particular situation got me interested and soI thought that I'd dig around to see what I could find. The closest article that I could find of relevance was http://thelazyadmin.com/2005/01/exchange-disaster-recovery.htmwhere the guy mentions: "Even though forestprep and domainprep was run when you first installed Exchange, you will need to run them again to reset some security accounts. Because it is not updating the Schema, it is a lot faster than you may remember. Now on to the Exchange install. Run the following command to enter disaster recovery mode: setup.exe /disasterrecovery"I don't have a lab handy at the moment, but it sounds like the above could at least explain what you're seeing, namely that unless the Schema Master is available, the disasterrecovery switch won't work. Unfortunately I don't know of any way to trick Exchange into thinking that it's performed the ForestPrep and DomainPrep. Cheers, Katherine From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, TomSent: 26 August 2005 23:53To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot) No, I already have an exchange org installed!!! I have 10 exchange servers in my AD. I'm just trying to recover one with the /disasterrecovery switch instead of restoring system state to dissimallar hardware. I'm not introducing exchange into AD for the first time. I have an exchange org and admin group and servers already in place. I'm only trying to recover one. Now, again, before you bail, why does setup need to write to the schema in this case? Exchange is already here. the place holders have been filled with "real" objects. Help me please!! Ah!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 8/26/2005 2:17 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Cc: Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot)
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot)
I have no rights nor connectivity. I ran adsiedit.msc as localsystem on a child dc and changed the fSMORoleHolder attrib on the schema NC to point to the child dc i do have connectivity to and it worked. Mind you- THIS IS A TEST FOREST. I WOULD NEVER DO THIS IN PRODUCTION. still, i'd like to know why setup needs to write to the schema AFTER exchange has already been installed and set up and you have an org and exchange servers running. Does it do this everytime you set up a new exchange server? what is it writing? I'd love to know. Thanks alot! -Original Message- From: Douglas M. Long [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 8/26/2005 3:25 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Cc: Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot) winmail.dat
RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot)
I've asked "Those Who Should Know". If they deign to respond, I'll let you know. :-) If I were a betting man (and I usually am, but not on this), I would bet that Exchange setup connects specifically to the schema master role holder in order to verify that the schema has been updated with forestprep. It would choose the schema master in order to avoid the potential replication delays that could be associated with consulting the "local DC" (that is, that the changes may not have replicated from the schema master to the local DC). While it's arguable that it should check the local DC first, and if it doesn't find it there, then check the schema master -- I could see some developer saying "screw that". That's my best guess. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, TomSent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:45 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot) I have no rights nor connectivity. I ran adsiedit.msc as localsystem on a child dc and changed the fSMORoleHolder attrib on the schema NC to point to the child dc i do have connectivity to and it worked. Mind you- THIS IS A TEST FOREST. I WOULD NEVER DO THIS IN PRODUCTION. still, i'd like to know why setup needs to write to the schema AFTER exchange has already been installed and set up and you have an org and exchange servers running. Does it do this everytime you set up a new exchange server? what is it writing? I'd love to know. Thanks alot! -Original Message- From: Douglas M. Long [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 8/26/2005 3:25 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Cc: Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Exchange issues again(ot)
