RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles
Ok, I was under the impression from reading that DFS could be arranged to always point to a root1, and clients would only failover to root2 if root1 could not be found - sounds to me like that isn't going on after all Mal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Patrick Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles It is indeed NOT a good thing. I would not do this. FRS is not meant to replicate this type of dynamic data (profiles) you may experience data loss or perhaps FRS breakdowns (depending on size, number of files, and amount of change per file). Clarification on the data loss - this would not be due to FRS or 'corrupt' files, but rather the natural way FRS works - which is on a last writer wins basis. my .02 -steve - Original Message - From: Malachi Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I want to move roaming profiles from our regular share into a DFS folder. The setup is straightforward. Two DC's, DFS replicate to each other, highly available roaming profiles. A sanity check that this is indeed a good thing would be nice. I am also a bit concerned about DFS because the documentation is so verbose (i.e. makes my brain hurt figuring it all out). Scenario: DC1 and DC2 both are hosting DFS root \\testroot\root. They are hosting their own corresponding file shares (say \\DC1\root and \\DC2\root). Am I right in expecting that EITHER DC1 or DC2 can go offline, and \\testroot\root will still be available? Lastly, moving the profiles looks like you have to muck with ownership and permissions. I was able to brute-force move one this way (by forcefully claiming ownership and subsequent permission of the entire profile tree), but a more graceful method would be appreciated. Malachi List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles
It seems that outside of the FRS / replication issues, using DFS would be a good way of virtualizing the storage location of the profiles. If you used a DFS root to designate your storage location and you needed to migrate/replace this location, you could update the DFS root without having to modify any user attributes. Basically make the management of the profile data a backroom thing. Using FRS would make the whole setup somewhat ugly. Diane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Patrick Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles It is indeed NOT a good thing. I would not do this. FRS is not meant to replicate this type of dynamic data (profiles) you may experience data loss or perhaps FRS breakdowns (depending on size, number of files, and amount of change per file). Clarification on the data loss - this would not be due to FRS or 'corrupt' files, but rather the natural way FRS works - which is on a last writer wins basis. my .02 -steve - Original Message - From: Malachi Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I want to move roaming profiles from our regular share into a DFS folder. The setup is straightforward. Two DC's, DFS replicate to each other, highly available roaming profiles. A sanity check that this is indeed a good thing would be nice. I am also a bit concerned about DFS because the documentation is so verbose (i.e. makes my brain hurt figuring it all out). Scenario: DC1 and DC2 both are hosting DFS root \\testroot\root. They are hosting their own corresponding file shares (say \\DC1\root and \\DC2\root). Am I right in expecting that EITHER DC1 or DC2 can go offline, and \\testroot\root will still be available? Lastly, moving the profiles looks like you have to muck with ownership and permissions. I was able to brute-force move one this way (by forcefully claiming ownership and subsequent permission of the entire profile tree), but a more graceful method would be appreciated. Malachi List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles
I'm in the process of drawing a DFS tree for just that reason - eliminate the server name dependencies for shares. The only thing I see myself replicating is a small set of apps that are installed via GPO. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ayers, Diane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles It seems that outside of the FRS / replication issues, using DFS would be a good way of virtualizing the storage location of the profiles. If you used a DFS root to designate your storage location and you needed to migrate/replace this location, you could update the DFS root without having to modify any user attributes. Basically make the management of the profile data a backroom thing. Using FRS would make the whole setup somewhat ugly. Diane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Patrick Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles It is indeed NOT a good thing. I would not do this. FRS is not meant to replicate this type of dynamic data (profiles) you may experience data loss or perhaps FRS breakdowns (depending on size, number of files, and amount of change per file). Clarification on the data loss - this would not be due to FRS or 'corrupt' files, but rather the natural way FRS works - which is on a last writer wins basis. my .02 -steve - Original Message - From: Malachi Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I want to move roaming profiles from our regular share into a DFS folder. The setup is straightforward. Two DC's, DFS replicate to each other, highly available roaming profiles. A sanity check that this is indeed a good thing would be nice. I am also a bit concerned about DFS because the documentation is so verbose (i.e. makes my brain hurt figuring it all out). Scenario: DC1 and DC2 both are hosting DFS root \\testroot\root. They are hosting their own corresponding file shares (say \\DC1\root and \\DC2\root). Am I right in expecting that EITHER DC1 or DC2 can go offline, and \\testroot\root will still be available? Lastly, moving the profiles looks like you have to muck with ownership and permissions. I was able to brute-force move one this way (by forcefully claiming ownership and subsequent permission of the entire profile tree), but a more graceful method would be appreciated. Malachi List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles
I thought about using DFS for my apps installed by GPO, also. But I have almost a Gig of applications and I was under the impression that DFS did not replicate large amounts of data very well, even if it doesn't change often? jb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I'm in the process of drawing a DFS tree for just that reason - eliminate the server name dependencies for shares. The only thing I see myself replicating is a small set of apps that are installed via GPO. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ayers, Diane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles It seems that outside of the FRS / replication issues, using DFS would be a good way of virtualizing the storage location of the profiles. If you used a DFS root to designate your storage location and you needed to migrate/replace this location, you could update the DFS root without having to modify any user attributes. Basically make the management of the profile data a backroom thing. Using FRS would make the whole setup somewhat ugly. Diane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Patrick Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles It is indeed NOT a good thing. I would not do this. FRS is not meant to replicate this type of dynamic data (profiles) you may experience data loss or perhaps FRS breakdowns (depending on size, number of files, and amount of change per file). Clarification on the data loss - this would not be due to FRS or 'corrupt' files, but rather the natural way FRS works - which is on a last writer wins basis. my .02 -steve - Original Message - From: Malachi Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I want to move roaming profiles from our regular share into a DFS folder. The setup is straightforward. Two DC's, DFS replicate to each other, highly available roaming profiles. A sanity check that this is indeed a good thing would be nice. I am also a bit concerned about DFS because the documentation is so verbose (i.e. makes my brain hurt figuring it all out). Scenario: DC1 and DC2 both are hosting DFS root \\testroot\root. They are hosting their own corresponding file shares (say \\DC1\root and \\DC2\root). Am I right in expecting that EITHER DC1 or DC2 can go offline, and \\testroot\root will still be available? Lastly, moving the profiles looks like you have to muck with ownership and permissions. I was able to brute-force move one this way (by forcefully claiming ownership and subsequent permission of the entire profile tree), but a more graceful method would be appreciated. Malachi List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles
I heard that you can copy the bulk over, i.e. CD or something and the replication will work it out. Anyone know if this is true? -Original Message- From: Jason Benway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 June 2004 16:22 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I thought about using DFS for my apps installed by GPO, also. But I have almost a Gig of applications and I was under the impression that DFS did not replicate large amounts of data very well, even if it doesn't change often? jb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I'm in the process of drawing a DFS tree for just that reason - eliminate the server name dependencies for shares. The only thing I see myself replicating is a small set of apps that are installed via GPO. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ayers, Diane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles It seems that outside of the FRS / replication issues, using DFS would be a good way of virtualizing the storage location of the profiles. If you used a DFS root to designate your storage location and you needed to migrate/replace this location, you could update the DFS root without having to modify any user attributes. Basically make the management of the profile data a backroom thing. Using FRS would make the whole setup somewhat ugly. Diane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Patrick Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles It is indeed NOT a good thing. I would not do this. FRS is not meant to replicate this type of dynamic data (profiles) you may experience data loss or perhaps FRS breakdowns (depending on size, number of files, and amount of change per file). Clarification on the data loss - this would not be due to FRS or 'corrupt' files, but rather the natural way FRS works - which is on a last writer wins basis. my .02 -steve - Original Message - From: Malachi Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I want to move roaming profiles from our regular share into a DFS folder. The setup is straightforward. Two DC's, DFS replicate to each other, highly available roaming profiles. A sanity check that this is indeed a good thing would be nice. I am also a bit concerned about DFS because the documentation is so verbose (i.e. makes my brain hurt figuring it all out). Scenario: DC1 and DC2 both are hosting DFS root \\testroot\root. They are hosting their own corresponding file shares (say \\DC1\root and \\DC2\root). Am I right in expecting that EITHER DC1 or DC2 can go offline, and \\testroot\root will still be available? Lastly, moving the profiles looks like you have to muck with ownership and permissions. I was able to brute-force move one this way (by forcefully claiming ownership and subsequent permission of the entire profile tree), but a more graceful method would be appreciated. Malachi List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ This e-mail and the information it contains are confidential and may be privileged. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender immediately and delete the material from any computer. Unless you are the intended recipient, you should not copy this e-mail for any purpose, or disclose its contents to any other person. The MCPS-PRS Alliance is not responsible for the completeness or accuracy of this communication as it has been transmitted over a public network. Whilst the MCPS-PRS Alliance
Re: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles
I am not 100% sure, but I think what you are talking about is what MS calls Pre-staging, see this KB article: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;266679Product=win2000 Robert Toole Systems Engineer KN Logistics / Calgary robert(dot)toole(at)kuehne-nagel(dot)com Rutherford, Robert wrote: I heard that you can copy the bulk over, i.e. CD or something and the replication will work it out. Anyone know if this is true? -Original Message- From: Jason Benway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 June 2004 16:22 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I thought about using DFS for my apps installed by GPO, also. But I have almost a Gig of applications and I was under the impression that DFS did not replicate large amounts of data very well, even if it doesn't change often? jb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I'm in the process of drawing a DFS tree for just that reason - eliminate the server name dependencies for shares. The only thing I see myself replicating is a small set of apps that are installed via GPO. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ayers, Diane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles It seems that outside of the FRS / replication issues, using DFS would be a good way of virtualizing the storage location of the profiles. If you used a DFS root to designate your storage location and you needed to migrate/replace this location, you could update the DFS root without having to modify any user attributes. Basically make the management of the profile data a backroom thing. Using FRS would make the whole setup somewhat ugly. Diane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Patrick Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles It is indeed NOT a good thing. I would not do this. FRS is not meant to replicate this type of dynamic data (profiles) you may experience data loss or perhaps FRS breakdowns (depending on size, number of files, and amount of change per file). Clarification on the data loss - this would not be due to FRS or 'corrupt' files, but rather the natural way FRS works - which is on a last writer wins basis. my .02 -steve - Original Message - From: Malachi Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I want to move roaming profiles from our regular share into a DFS folder. The setup is straightforward. Two DC's, DFS replicate to each other, highly available roaming profiles. A sanity check that this is indeed a good thing would be nice. I am also a bit concerned about DFS because the documentation is so verbose (i.e. makes my brain hurt figuring it all out). Scenario: DC1 and DC2 both are hosting DFS root \\testroot\root. They are hosting their own corresponding file shares (say \\DC1\root and \\DC2\root). Am I right in expecting that EITHER DC1 or DC2 can go offline, and \\testroot\root will still be available? Lastly, moving the profiles looks like you have to muck with ownership and permissions. I was able to brute-force move one this way (by forcefully claiming ownership and subsequent permission of the entire profile tree), but a more graceful method would be appreciated. Malachi List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ This e-mail and the information it contains are confidential and may be privileged. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender immediately and delete the material from any computer. Unless you are the intended recipient, you should not copy this e-mail for any purpose, or disclose its contents to any other person
RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles
I think there's a continuum between data size and the rate of change of that data. The lower the rate of change, the more data it can handle. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Jason Benway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:22 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I thought about using DFS for my apps installed by GPO, also. But I have almost a Gig of applications and I was under the impression that DFS did not replicate large amounts of data very well, even if it doesn't change often? jb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I'm in the process of drawing a DFS tree for just that reason - eliminate the server name dependencies for shares. The only thing I see myself replicating is a small set of apps that are installed via GPO. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ayers, Diane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles It seems that outside of the FRS / replication issues, using DFS would be a good way of virtualizing the storage location of the profiles. If you used a DFS root to designate your storage location and you needed to migrate/replace this location, you could update the DFS root without having to modify any user attributes. Basically make the management of the profile data a backroom thing. Using FRS would make the whole setup somewhat ugly. Diane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Patrick Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles It is indeed NOT a good thing. I would not do this. FRS is not meant to replicate this type of dynamic data (profiles) you may experience data loss or perhaps FRS breakdowns (depending on size, number of files, and amount of change per file). Clarification on the data loss - this would not be due to FRS or 'corrupt' files, but rather the natural way FRS works - which is on a last writer wins basis. my .02 -steve - Original Message - From: Malachi Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I want to move roaming profiles from our regular share into a DFS folder. The setup is straightforward. Two DC's, DFS replicate to each other, highly available roaming profiles. A sanity check that this is indeed a good thing would be nice. I am also a bit concerned about DFS because the documentation is so verbose (i.e. makes my brain hurt figuring it all out). Scenario: DC1 and DC2 both are hosting DFS root \\testroot\root. They are hosting their own corresponding file shares (say \\DC1\root and \\DC2\root). Am I right in expecting that EITHER DC1 or DC2 can go offline, and \\testroot\root will still be available? Lastly, moving the profiles looks like you have to muck with ownership and permissions. I was able to brute-force move one this way (by forcefully claiming ownership and subsequent permission of the entire profile tree), but a more graceful method would be appreciated. Malachi List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles
It works on a fast link no problemo. Just jack the size of your staging directory up. --Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Payton on the Web! Http://www.wpcp.org v: 773.534.0034 x135 f: 773.534.0035 -Original Message- From: Jason Benway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:22 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I thought about using DFS for my apps installed by GPO, also. But I have almost a Gig of applications and I was under the impression that DFS did not replicate large amounts of data very well, even if it doesn't change often? jb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I'm in the process of drawing a DFS tree for just that reason - eliminate the server name dependencies for shares. The only thing I see myself replicating is a small set of apps that are installed via GPO. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Ayers, Diane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles It seems that outside of the FRS / replication issues, using DFS would be a good way of virtualizing the storage location of the profiles. If you used a DFS root to designate your storage location and you needed to migrate/replace this location, you could update the DFS root without having to modify any user attributes. Basically make the management of the profile data a backroom thing. Using FRS would make the whole setup somewhat ugly. Diane -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Patrick Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 9:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles It is indeed NOT a good thing. I would not do this. FRS is not meant to replicate this type of dynamic data (profiles) you may experience data loss or perhaps FRS breakdowns (depending on size, number of files, and amount of change per file). Clarification on the data loss - this would not be due to FRS or 'corrupt' files, but rather the natural way FRS works - which is on a last writer wins basis. my .02 -steve - Original Message - From: Malachi Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I want to move roaming profiles from our regular share into a DFS folder. The setup is straightforward. Two DC's, DFS replicate to each other, highly available roaming profiles. A sanity check that this is indeed a good thing would be nice. I am also a bit concerned about DFS because the documentation is so verbose (i.e. makes my brain hurt figuring it all out). Scenario: DC1 and DC2 both are hosting DFS root \\testroot\root. They are hosting their own corresponding file shares (say \\DC1\root and \\DC2\root). Am I right in expecting that EITHER DC1 or DC2 can go offline, and \\testroot\root will still be available? Lastly, moving the profiles looks like you have to muck with ownership and permissions. I was able to brute-force move one this way (by forcefully claiming ownership and subsequent permission of the entire profile tree), but a more graceful method would be appreciated. Malachi List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
RE: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles
Malachi- My first question would be--why? DFS, esp. replicated DFS, doesn't seem to be a great solution for writeable data, since you could effectively have some files inadvertantly overwritten on each replica. And, since roaming profiles essentially have some built-in redundancy by virtue of the fact that they are cached on the local workstation, the only benefit I can see in terms of using DFS would be for those users who move around to different workstations and don't have their profiles cached. More specifically, the issue you could face is that a user logs on to a workstation and downloads a roaming profile from DFS replica A, then logs off, thus writing changes up to A, then logs back on and hits replica B instead and gets an older copy of the profile before changes have replicated from A. I think the opportunity for mess is too great for the benefit. Darren -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Malachi Burke Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I want to move roaming profiles from our regular share into a DFS folder. The setup is straightforward. Two DC's, DFS replicate to each other, highly available roaming profiles. A sanity check that this is indeed a good thing would be nice. I am also a bit concerned about DFS because the documentation is so verbose (i.e. makes my brain hurt figuring it all out). Scenario: DC1 and DC2 both are hosting DFS root \\testroot\root. They are hosting their own corresponding file shares (say \\DC1\root and \\DC2\root). Am I right in expecting that EITHER DC1 or DC2 can go offline, and \\testroot\root will still be available? Lastly, moving the profiles looks like you have to muck with ownership and permissions. I was able to brute-force move one this way (by forcefully claiming ownership and subsequent permission of the entire profile tree), but a more graceful method would be appreciated. Malachi List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
Re: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles
It is indeed NOT a good thing. I would not do this. FRS is not meant to replicate this type of dynamic data (profiles) you may experience data loss or perhaps FRS breakdowns (depending on size, number of files, and amount of change per file). Clarification on the data loss - this would not be due to FRS or 'corrupt' files, but rather the natural way FRS works - which is on a last writer wins basis. my .02 -steve - Original Message - From: Malachi Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: [ActiveDir] Moving Roaming profiles I want to move roaming profiles from our regular share into a DFS folder. The setup is straightforward. Two DC's, DFS replicate to each other, highly available roaming profiles. A sanity check that this is indeed a good thing would be nice. I am also a bit concerned about DFS because the documentation is so verbose (i.e. makes my brain hurt figuring it all out). Scenario: DC1 and DC2 both are hosting DFS root \\testroot\root. They are hosting their own corresponding file shares (say \\DC1\root and \\DC2\root). Am I right in expecting that EITHER DC1 or DC2 can go offline, and \\testroot\root will still be available? Lastly, moving the profiles looks like you have to muck with ownership and permissions. I was able to brute-force move one this way (by forcefully claiming ownership and subsequent permission of the entire profile tree), but a more graceful method would be appreciated. Malachi List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
