RE: [ActiveDir] NTP server

2004-07-27 Thread Coleman, Hunter
The time on workstations, servers, and DCs within your forest should
converge to the time of the PDC role holder of the root domain.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;224799 

-Original Message-
From: Rimmerman, Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 6:16 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] NTP server


OK so our empty forest root controllers are now syncing with tick.navy and
tock.navy.usno.mil.  I also enabled the NTP registry key so it will allow
Win9x clients to sync up with the root controllers.

Now the question - when I do a browstat to determine who is the time server
according to the browse list, it is some domain controller far away.  I
don't want that server to be the time server according to the browse list
because that means clients will sync with it when they ask for a time sync
unless they use /setsntp, right?  So how do I fix the browse list to make my
root controllers the TS?

-Original Message-
From: Free, Bob
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] NTP

Rimmerman, Russ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What's everyone syncing all their clocks up with? 

We have our own enterprise NTP servers, the forest root DCs synch to them.
Everything else in AD is in NT5DS mode and time flows down the domain
hierarchy. The [gag] remaining NT boxes, have W32time pointed to the AD DC's
and get time via SNTP.

 Do Win2k AD domain controllers automatically respond to SNTP requests?


Not sure exactly what you mean-

A] Yes they will serve time to a SNTP client, but, you don't want any SNTP
clients in your forest, they should all be in NT5DS mode. You want the time
to flow down the tree.

B] You can use ntpdate on a *NIX box or the W32 port of ntpdate to get a
quick picture of how everything is peering up in the forest, what stratum
the machines are in and how accurately they are keeping time.
W32Time won't answer all NTP requests but the ones in the SNTP spec work.

 We are currently
 running a firewall that acts as a NTP server for all our internal PCs 
 (Symantec Enterprise FW) and we're looking at switching to a NetScreen 
 firewall which does not.  We're trying to figure out where we should 
 redirect all our time requests to.  How are you doing it?

Where do your routers get their time? Cisco routers have very accurate
clocks according to our NTP guru, (he's very fussy and wants the Stratum
1 machines within a few ms of each other) A lot of people just synch their
DC to a core router that's synched to something like USNO or if running DNS
on *NIX, they run NTP on the DNS boxes.. Some people in simpler networks
just punch a hole for UDP 123 to their forest root PDCe and synch it
directly to the internet sources like USNO. 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rimmerman, Russ
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:24 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: [ActiveDir] NTP server


Where does everyone have their NTP services come from?  We are getting rid
of our current firewall which has NTP on it and everything is pointed to it
for NTP services.  Our new firewall won't have NTP built in, so we are going
to have to set up an internal NTP server for all our internal hosts to sync
to.  Do we put it in the DMZ or the internal network?  Or  does it matter?
Do we just install NTP on an existing Win2k server in our DMZ?  What is
everyone else doing for NTP?

Thanks

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RE: [ActiveDir] NTP server

2004-07-27 Thread Free, Bob
A client computer (or server) in AD will synchronize with the DC that it
authenticates and establishes a secure channel with, the browse list has
nothing to do with AD time synchronization. Time will automatically flow
down AD from the forest root.

The 9x clients can't do NTP in the absense of 3rd party SW, they use the
old LanMan NetTOD API,  That's where the browse list will come into play
(only for downlevel clients)

Most people just add a NET TIME line in their login scripts for 9x.

 IE- NET TIME %LOGONSERVER% /SET /Y 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rimmerman, Russ
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 5:16 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] NTP server


OK so our empty forest root controllers are now syncing with tick.navy
and
tock.navy.usno.mil.  I also enabled the NTP registry key so it will
allow
Win9x clients to sync up with the root controllers.

Now the question - when I do a browstat to determine who is the time
server
according to the browse list, it is some domain controller far away.  I
don't want that server to be the time server according to the browse
list
because that means clients will sync with it when they ask for a time
sync
unless they use /setsntp, right?  So how do I fix the browse list to
make my
root controllers the TS?

-Original Message-
From: Free, Bob 
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] NTP

Rimmerman, Russ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What's everyone syncing all their clocks up with? 

We have our own enterprise NTP servers, the forest root DCs synch to
them. Everything else in AD is in NT5DS mode and time flows down the
domain hierarchy. The [gag] remaining NT boxes, have W32time pointed to
the AD DC's and get time via SNTP.

 Do Win2k AD domain controllers automatically respond to SNTP requests?


Not sure exactly what you mean-

A] Yes they will serve time to a SNTP client, but, you don't want any
SNTP clients in your forest, they should all be in NT5DS mode. You want
the time to flow down the tree.

B] You can use ntpdate on a *NIX box or the W32 port of ntpdate to get a
quick picture of how everything is peering up in the forest, what
stratum the machines are in and how accurately they are keeping time.
W32Time won't answer all NTP requests but the ones in the SNTP spec
work.

 We are currently
 running a firewall that acts as a NTP server for all our internal PCs
 (Symantec Enterprise FW) and we're looking at switching to a NetScreen
 firewall which does not.  We're trying to figure out where we should
 redirect all our time requests to.  How are you doing it?

Where do your routers get their time? Cisco routers have very accurate
clocks according to our NTP guru, (he's very fussy and wants the Stratum
1 machines within a few ms of each other) A lot of people just synch
their DC to a core router that's synched to something like USNO or if
running DNS on *NIX, they run NTP on the DNS boxes.. Some people in
simpler networks just punch a hole for UDP 123 to their forest root PDCe
and synch it directly to the internet sources like USNO. 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rimmerman, Russ
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:24 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: [ActiveDir] NTP server


Where does everyone have their NTP services come from?  We are getting
rid
of our current firewall which has NTP on it and everything is pointed to
it
for NTP services.  Our new firewall won't have NTP built in, so we are
going
to have to set up an internal NTP server for all our internal hosts to
sync
to.  Do we put it in the DMZ or the internal network?  Or  does it
matter?
Do we just install NTP on an existing Win2k server in our DMZ?  What is
everyone else doing for NTP?

Thanks

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RE: [ActiveDir] NTP server

2004-07-26 Thread Rimmerman, Russ

OK so our empty forest root controllers are now syncing with tick.navy and
tock.navy.usno.mil.  I also enabled the NTP registry key so it will allow
Win9x clients to sync up with the root controllers.

Now the question - when I do a browstat to determine who is the time server
according to the browse list, it is some domain controller far away.  I
don't want that server to be the time server according to the browse list
because that means clients will sync with it when they ask for a time sync
unless they use /setsntp, right?  So how do I fix the browse list to make my
root controllers the TS?

-Original Message-
From: Free, Bob 
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] NTP

Rimmerman, Russ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What's everyone syncing all their clocks up with? 

We have our own enterprise NTP servers, the forest root DCs synch to
them. Everything else in AD is in NT5DS mode and time flows down the
domain hierarchy. The [gag] remaining NT boxes, have W32time pointed to
the AD DC's and get time via SNTP.

 Do Win2k AD domain controllers automatically respond to SNTP requests?


Not sure exactly what you mean-

A] Yes they will serve time to a SNTP client, but, you don't want any
SNTP clients in your forest, they should all be in NT5DS mode. You want
the time to flow down the tree.

B] You can use ntpdate on a *NIX box or the W32 port of ntpdate to get a
quick picture of how everything is peering up in the forest, what
stratum the machines are in and how accurately they are keeping time.
W32Time won't answer all NTP requests but the ones in the SNTP spec
work.

 We are currently
 running a firewall that acts as a NTP server for all our internal PCs
 (Symantec Enterprise FW) and we're looking at switching to a NetScreen
 firewall which does not.  We're trying to figure out where we should
 redirect all our time requests to.  How are you doing it?

Where do your routers get their time? Cisco routers have very accurate
clocks according to our NTP guru, (he's very fussy and wants the Stratum
1 machines within a few ms of each other) A lot of people just synch
their DC to a core router that's synched to something like USNO or if
running DNS on *NIX, they run NTP on the DNS boxes.. Some people in
simpler networks just punch a hole for UDP 123 to their forest root PDCe
and synch it directly to the internet sources like USNO. 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rimmerman, Russ
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:24 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: [ActiveDir] NTP server


Where does everyone have their NTP services come from?  We are getting rid
of our current firewall which has NTP on it and everything is pointed to it
for NTP services.  Our new firewall won't have NTP built in, so we are going
to have to set up an internal NTP server for all our internal hosts to sync
to.  Do we put it in the DMZ or the internal network?  Or  does it matter?
Do we just install NTP on an existing Win2k server in our DMZ?  What is
everyone else doing for NTP?

Thanks

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RE: [ActiveDir] NTP server

2004-07-25 Thread Ulf B. Simon-Weidner
Title: [ActiveDir] NTP server








Hi Russ,



Yes  youll
have to configure the PDC-Emulator of the Rootdomain only and reconfigure
machines that were configured otherwise to use the default domain behaviour to
receive the time again.



Heres the domain behaviour
in a short NG answer I wrote recently:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=uHjA0eWaEHA.2516%40TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl



Youll be able to
find Stratum 1 Timeserver to use on this website:

http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/clock1a.html




And what I forgot to
mention in the NG:

Sometimes Ive seen
that a DC which was configured to use another behaviour than NT5DS did not accept
the changes of the registry or w32tm command correctly to adjust to the domain behaviour.
If this is happening you are able to deregister and register the timeservice
again using w32tm /deregister and w32tm /register.





Gruesse - Sincerely,



Ulf B. Simon-Weidner













From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rimmerman, Russ
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 1:26
PM
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] NTP
server







So your firewall lets only the PDC
emulator go out the NTP port, and all devices including things like Switches
and Routers all sync with the PDC emulator as well? 











If we have an empty root domain, could we
use the PDC emulator in that domain and have all our child domain servers and
all other objects go there just as well?





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From: Brian Desmond
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On
Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:09
PM
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server



I use my PDC. It syncs with the government. All you rclients
automatically talk to the PDC unless you told em not to.











--Brian







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Sent: Thu 7/22/2004 7:24 PM 
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Cc: 
Subject: [ActiveDir] NTP server





Where
does everyone have their NTP services come from? We are getting rid
of our current firewall which has NTP on it and everything is pointed to it
for NTP services. Our new firewall won't have NTP built in, so we are
going
to have to set up an internal NTP server for all our internal hosts to sync
to. Do we put it in the DMZ or the internal network? Or does it
matter?
Do we just install NTP on an existing Win2k server in our DMZ? What is
everyone else doing for NTP?

Thanks

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RE: [ActiveDir] NTP server

2004-07-23 Thread Rimmerman, Russ
Title: [ActiveDir] NTP server



So
your firewall lets only the PDC emulator go out the NTP port, and all devices
including things like Switches and Routers all sync with the PDC emulator as
well? 

If we
have an empty root domain, could we use the PDC emulator in that domain and have
all our child domain servers and all other objects go there just as
well?

  -Original Message-From: Brian Desmond
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Brian
  DesmondSent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:09 PMTo:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] NTP
  server
  I use my PDC. It syncs with the government. All you rclients
  automatically talk to the PDC unless you told em not to.
  
  --Brian
  
-Original Message- From: Rimmerman,
Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 7/22/2004
7:24 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc:
Subject: [ActiveDir] NTP server
Where does everyone have their NTP services come from?
We are getting ridof our current firewall which has NTP on it and
everything is pointed to itfor NTP services. Our new firewall
won't have NTP built in, so we are goingto have to set up an internal
NTP server for all our internal hosts to syncto. Do we put it in
the DMZ or the internal network? Or does it matter?Do we
just install NTP on an existing Win2k server in our DMZ? What
iseveryone else doing for
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RE: [ActiveDir] NTP server

2004-07-23 Thread Free, Bob
déjà vu`

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From: Free, Bob 
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] NTP

Rimmerman, Russ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What's everyone syncing all their clocks up with? 

We have our own enterprise NTP servers, the forest root DCs synch to
them. Everything else in AD is in NT5DS mode and time flows down the
domain hierarchy. The [gag] remaining NT boxes, have W32time pointed to
the AD DC's and get time via SNTP.

 Do Win2k AD domain controllers automatically respond to SNTP requests?


Not sure exactly what you mean-

A] Yes they will serve time to a SNTP client, but, you don't want any
SNTP clients in your forest, they should all be in NT5DS mode. You want
the time to flow down the tree.

B] You can use ntpdate on a *NIX box or the W32 port of ntpdate to get a
quick picture of how everything is peering up in the forest, what
stratum the machines are in and how accurately they are keeping time.
W32Time won't answer all NTP requests but the ones in the SNTP spec
work.

 We are currently
 running a firewall that acts as a NTP server for all our internal PCs
 (Symantec Enterprise FW) and we're looking at switching to a NetScreen
 firewall which does not.  We're trying to figure out where we should
 redirect all our time requests to.  How are you doing it?

Where do your routers get their time? Cisco routers have very accurate
clocks according to our NTP guru, (he's very fussy and wants the Stratum
1 machines within a few ms of each other) A lot of people just synch
their DC to a core router that's synched to something like USNO or if
running DNS on *NIX, they run NTP on the DNS boxes.. Some people in
simpler networks just punch a hole for UDP 123 to their forest root PDCe
and synch it directly to the internet sources like USNO. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rimmerman, Russ
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:24 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: [ActiveDir] NTP server


Where does everyone have their NTP services come from?  We are getting rid
of our current firewall which has NTP on it and everything is pointed to it
for NTP services.  Our new firewall won't have NTP built in, so we are going
to have to set up an internal NTP server for all our internal hosts to sync
to.  Do we put it in the DMZ or the internal network?  Or  does it matter?
Do we just install NTP on an existing Win2k server in our DMZ?  What is
everyone else doing for NTP?

Thanks

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RE: [ActiveDir] NTP server

2004-07-23 Thread deji
You can have your Router be the Time Server. Your Router synchs with one of
the public servers, then you configure your Root PDCE to synch with your
Router. All your other DCs will synch with the Root PDCE. The key is the
ReliableTimeServer reg hack.
 
On the other hand, you could do it the way you described, letting you Root
PDCE go out and do the synch. I just think that letting the Router do the
external part is more efficient.
 
In any case, here is a good read for you:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/docs/wintimeserv.doc
 
 
Sincerely,

Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE MCSA MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday?  -anon



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Rimmerman, Russ
Sent: Fri 7/23/2004 4:25 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] NTP server


So your firewall lets only the PDC emulator go out the NTP port, and all
devices including things like Switches and Routers all sync with the PDC
emulator as well?  
 
If we have an empty root domain, could we use the PDC emulator in that domain
and have all our child domain servers and all other objects go there just as
well?

-Original Message-
From: Brian Desmond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] NTP server


I use my PDC. It syncs with the government. All you rclients
automatically talk to the PDC unless you told em not to.
 
--Brian

-Original Message- 
From: Rimmerman, Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thu 7/22/2004 7:24 PM 
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
Cc: 
Subject: [ActiveDir] NTP server




Where does everyone have their NTP services come from?  We
are getting rid
of our current firewall which has NTP on it and everything is
pointed to it
for NTP services.  Our new firewall won't have NTP built in,
so we are going
to have to set up an internal NTP server for all our internal
hosts to sync
to.  Do we put it in the DMZ or the internal network?  Or
does it matter?
Do we just install NTP on an existing Win2k server in our
DMZ?  What is
everyone else doing for NTP?

Thanks

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RE: [ActiveDir] NTP server

2004-07-22 Thread Gil Kirkpatrick
Hey Russ,
 
This link describes how W2K and W2K3 handle NTP: 
http://www.netpro.com/products/techdocs/ad_timesync.pdf
This link lists public Stratum 1 and Stratum 2 time servers: 
http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/servers.html
 
It would make sense to use the PDC emulator as the time server for devices in the 
respective domains.
 
-gil
 
Gil Kirkpatrick
CTO, NetPro



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Rimmerman, Russ
Sent: Thu 7/22/2004 5:24 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: [ActiveDir] NTP server




Where does everyone have their NTP services come from?  We are getting rid
of our current firewall which has NTP on it and everything is pointed to it
for NTP services.  Our new firewall won't have NTP built in, so we are going
to have to set up an internal NTP server for all our internal hosts to sync
to.  Do we put it in the DMZ or the internal network?  Or  does it matter?
Do we just install NTP on an existing Win2k server in our DMZ?  What is
everyone else doing for NTP?

Thanks

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RE: [ActiveDir] NTP server

2004-07-22 Thread Brian Desmond
I use my PDC. It syncs with the government. All you rclients automatically talk to the 
PDC unless you told em not to.
 
--Brian

-Original Message- 
From: Rimmerman, Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thu 7/22/2004 7:24 PM 
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Subject: [ActiveDir] NTP server




Where does everyone have their NTP services come from?  We are getting rid
of our current firewall which has NTP on it and everything is pointed to it
for NTP services.  Our new firewall won't have NTP built in, so we are going
to have to set up an internal NTP server for all our internal hosts to sync
to.  Do we put it in the DMZ or the internal network?  Or  does it matter?
Do we just install NTP on an existing Win2k server in our DMZ?  What is
everyone else doing for NTP?

Thanks

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