RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files
Joe, Ping me off list if you want some information on archiving. Martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pelle, Joe Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 1:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files Hey everyone thanks for the responses!!! Looks like the thing to do is find a good archiving solution. Thanks again - and sorry for the off-topic posts! Joe Pelle Infrastructure Architect Information Technology Valassis / IT 19975 Victor Parkway Livonia, MI 48152 Tel 734.591.7324 Fax 734.632.6151 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.valassis.com/ This message may have included proprietary or protected information. This message and the information contained herein are not to be further communicated without my express written consent. -Original Message- From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files That was the one I couldn't remember! I was sending this from home and did not have my notes with me! Dennis _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:15 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files Add KVS to that list of good archival solutions - they're generally considered one of the best. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files My recommendation is to look at an archiving solution for your Exchange mail. These are offered by several companies including IXOS, EAS, and Legato to name a few. My belief is if mail is important enough to keep, it should be kept in a central managed servers. While PSTs on a file server meet this requirement PSTs are an inefficient storage medium. (due to loss of single instance storage (sis).) Many of the archive vendors maintain SIS and claim better compression ratios than mail stored in the Exchange information store. Also these solutions replace the email with a stub. This stub allows users of Outlook seamless access to their mail. There is also a central management console that could be search the entire archive if desired. This could be beneficial in legal cases. There are a few drawbacks with storing PST files on a file server. If the drive the PST files are on ever fills up, every PST on the drive that is opened will be corrupted. There is also the problem of backing up PST files if the user keeps Outlook open all the time. Dennis _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Celone, Mike Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:16 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files I'd also be interested in how everyone handles these files. Right now we run Exchange 5.5 and have a 350MB limit on user's mailboxes. However for many users this is not enough space. Many of them send huge files through email or are just unable or unwilling to give up old emails. What we've been doing is setting up users with PST files on their home drives so this way we still have a backup of them and we suggest they use them as archives. Most of our users have at least a 100Mbit link to their file server so speed isn't too much of an issue even though PST files are not suggested to be used over a LAN link. Our solution is far from perfect and doesn't even work that well. It still presents problems when PST files get huge and go corrupt. Has anyone ever looked into programs like Veritas Storage Migrator? Mike _ From: Pelle, Joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files I'm sorry for the off topic post, however I'd like some input from the field on a subject we've been throwing around for a while now. That is: what do we do with PST files in Outlook? We're replacing EVERY desktop or laptop in the company and have the opportunity to GET RID OF PST files. Our users abuse the HE11 out of them. The PST files get so big that they end up corrupt - or- take
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files
I agree that archving is the best solution. This is something that my client is currently looking into. As I understand it the cost is quite large up front but I guess the longer term savings are beneficial. If you think you company might be able to fund such work then I would start writing your business case now. There are many savings and benefits to be had from introducing such a system. Some have already been mentioned in this thread. Another area to consider is information management. PST are not manageable and cannot be searched for old information. Archived files can. The introduction of archiving will improve your Exchange servers performance by keeping the DBs smaller and will expand their lifespan. If you can't afford an archiving solution (my last client couldn't) then alternates are few. You could remove the ability to create PST (risk users saving MSG files, even larger) but other than that all I ever achieved was highlighting to management that two thirds of their total file share was PST data and that something needed to be done. They then went out and targeted individuals with large amounts of PST data. This is not a scalable solution I guess. If you do have a large environment though you might be able to swing a good business case for archiving. from:Depp, Dennis M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] date:Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:55:41 to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files My recommendation is to look at an archiving solution for your Exchange mail. These are offered by several companies including IXOS, EAS, and Legato to name a few. My belief is if mail is important enough to keep, it should be kept in a central managed servers. While PSTs on a file server meet this requirement PSTs are an inefficient storage medium. (due to loss of single instance storage (sis).) Many of the archive vendors maintain SIS and claim better compression ratios than mail stored in the Exchange information store. Also these solutions replace the email with a stub. This stub allows users of Outlook seamless access to their mail. There is also a central management console that could be search the entire archive if desired. This could be beneficial in legal cases. There are a few drawbacks with storing PST files on a file server. If the drive the PST files are on ever fills up, every PST on the drive that is opened will be corrupted. There is also the problem of backing up PST files if the user keeps Outlook open all the time. Dennis _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Celone, Mike Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:16 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files I'd also be interested in how everyone handles these files. Right now we run Exchange 5.5 and have a 350MB limit on user's mailboxes. However for many users this is not enough space. Many of them send huge files through email or are just unable or unwilling to give up old emails. What we've been doing is setting up users with PST files on their home drives so this way we still have a backup of them and we suggest they use them as archives. Most of our users have at least a 100Mbit link to their file server so speed isn't too much of an issue even though PST files are not suggested to be used over a LAN link. Our solution is far from perfect and doesn't even work that well. It still presents problems when PST files get huge and go corrupt. Has anyone ever looked into programs like Veritas Storage Migrator? Mike _ From: Pelle, Joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files I'm sorry for the off topic post, however I'd like some input from the field on a subject we've been throwing around for a while now. That is: what do we do with PST files in Outlook? We're replacing EVERY desktop or laptop in the company and have the opportunity to GET RID OF PST files. Our users abuse the HE11 out of them. The PST files get so big that they end up corrupt - or- take a half an hour to open b/c the file size is 800 - 1 GB... It's tough to manage!!! What are your thoughts on this? How do others manage this? Your comments, thoughts, etc are greatly appreciated! Joe Pelle Infrastructure Architect Information Technology Valassis / IT 19975 Victor Parkway Livonia, MI 48152 Tel 734.591.7324 Fax 734.632.6151 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] a href= List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files
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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files
Title: Message Add KVS to that list of good archival solutions - they're generally considered one of the best. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message-From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:56 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files My recommendation is to look at an archiving solution for your Exchange mail. These are offered by several companies including IXOS, EAS, and Legato to name a few. My belief is if mail is important enough to keep, it should be kept in a central managed servers. While PSTs on a file server meet this requirement PSTs are an inefficient storage medium. (due to loss of single instance storage (sis).) Many of the archive vendors maintain SIS and claim better compression ratios than mail stored in the Exchange information store. Also these solutions replace the email with a stub. This stub allows users of Outlook seamless access to their mail. There is also a central management console that could be search the entire archive if desired. This could be beneficial in legal cases. There are a few drawbacks with storing PST files on a file server. If the drive the PST files are on ever fills up, every PST on the drive that is opened will be corrupted. There is also the problem of backing up PST files if the user keeps Outlook open all the time. Dennis From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Celone, MikeSent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:16 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files I'd also be interested in how everyone handles these files. Right now we run Exchange 5.5 and have a 350MB limit on user's mailboxes. However for many users this is not enough space. Many of them send huge files through email or are just unable or unwilling to give up old emails. What we've been doing is setting up users with PST files on their home drives so this way we still have a backup of them and we suggest they use them as archives. Most of our users have at least a 100Mbit link to their file server so speed isn't too much of an issue even though PST files are not suggested to be used over a LAN link. Our solution is far from perfect and doesn't even work that well. It still presents problems when PST files get huge and go corrupt. Has anyone ever looked into programs like Veritas Storage Migrator? Mike From: Pelle, Joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:47 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files I'm sorry for the off topic post, however I'd like some input from the field on a subject we've been throwing around for a while now. That is: what do we do with PST files in Outlook? We're replacing EVERY desktop or laptop in the company and have the opportunity to GET RID OF PST files. Our users abuse the HE11 out of them. The PST files get so big that they end up corrupt - or- take a half an hour to open b/c the file size is 800 - 1 GB... It's tough to manage!!! What are your thoughts on this? How do others manage this? Your comments, thoughts, etc are greatly appreciated! Joe Pelle Infrastructure Architect Information Technology Valassis / IT 19975 Victor Parkway Livonia, MI 48152 Tel 734.591.7324 Fax 734.632.6151 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.valassis.com/ This message may have included proprietary or protected information. This message and the information contained herein are not to be further communicated without my express written consent.
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files
That was the one I couldn't remember! I was sending this from home and did not have my notes with me! Dennis _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:15 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files Add KVS to that list of good archival solutions - they're generally considered one of the best. -- Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. -Original Message- From: Depp, Dennis M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files My recommendation is to look at an archiving solution for your Exchange mail. These are offered by several companies including IXOS, EAS, and Legato to name a few. My belief is if mail is important enough to keep, it should be kept in a central managed servers. While PSTs on a file server meet this requirement PSTs are an inefficient storage medium. (due to loss of single instance storage (sis).) Many of the archive vendors maintain SIS and claim better compression ratios than mail stored in the Exchange information store. Also these solutions replace the email with a stub. This stub allows users of Outlook seamless access to their mail. There is also a central management console that could be search the entire archive if desired. This could be beneficial in legal cases. There are a few drawbacks with storing PST files on a file server. If the drive the PST files are on ever fills up, every PST on the drive that is opened will be corrupted. There is also the problem of backing up PST files if the user keeps Outlook open all the time. Dennis _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Celone, Mike Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:16 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files I'd also be interested in how everyone handles these files. Right now we run Exchange 5.5 and have a 350MB limit on user's mailboxes. However for many users this is not enough space. Many of them send huge files through email or are just unable or unwilling to give up old emails. What we've been doing is setting up users with PST files on their home drives so this way we still have a backup of them and we suggest they use them as archives. Most of our users have at least a 100Mbit link to their file server so speed isn't too much of an issue even though PST files are not suggested to be used over a LAN link. Our solution is far from perfect and doesn't even work that well. It still presents problems when PST files get huge and go corrupt. Has anyone ever looked into programs like Veritas Storage Migrator? Mike _ From: Pelle, Joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files I'm sorry for the off topic post, however I'd like some input from the field on a subject we've been throwing around for a while now. That is: what do we do with PST files in Outlook? We're replacing EVERY desktop or laptop in the company and have the opportunity to GET RID OF PST files. Our users abuse the HE11 out of them. The PST files get so big that they end up corrupt - or- take a half an hour to open b/c the file size is 800 - 1 GB... It's tough to manage!!! What are your thoughts on this? How do others manage this? Your comments, thoughts, etc are greatly appreciated! Joe Pelle Infrastructure Architect Information Technology Valassis / IT 19975 Victor Parkway Livonia, MI 48152 Tel 734.591.7324 Fax 734.632.6151 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.valassis.com/ http://www.valassis.com/ This message may have included proprietary or protected information. This message and the information contained herein are not to be further communicated without my express written consent. List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ: http
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files
problem = requirements to solve = software = hardware. problem = pst files requirement = get rid of them, and live with the expanded store size on the server(s) software = 2k3 svr, e2k3 exchange, rpc/http configuration. Sounds like you need enterprise version of exchange. software (desktop/laptop) = xpsp1 and ol2003 hardware server = whatever it will take hardware - dt/lt = whatever needed to run xpsp1 and office 2k3. my $0.02 worth. John Weber Consultant Centerlogic, Inc 503.445.6588 www.centerlogic.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pelle, JoeSent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 12:47 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files [bcc][faked-from]Importance: Low Im sorry for the off topic post, however Id like some input from the field on a subject weve been throwing around for a while now. That is: what do we do with PST files in Outlook? Were replacing EVERY desktop or laptop in the company and have the opportunity to GET RID OF PST files. Our users abuse the HE11 out of them. The PST files get so big that they end up corrupt or- take a half an hour to open b/c the file size is 800 1 GB Its tough to manage!!! What are your thoughts on this? How do others manage this? Your comments, thoughts, etc are greatly appreciated! Joe Pelle Infrastructure Architect Information Technology Valassis / IT 19975 Victor Parkway Livonia, MI 48152 Tel 734.591.7324 Fax 734.632.6151 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.valassis.com/ This message may have included proprietary or protected information. This message and the information contained herein are not to be further communicated without my express written consent.
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files
Mike, If you remember, I used to force (or strongly suggest) that users archive very old or seldom used items on to a separate PST file (you can have several PST files for Outlook). Very old email can then be burned on to a CD for archive. If it gets hosed, you have always restore off of CD, and this way it is not even on the server. Just my $0.01. Steven Duuude Comeau Systems Administrator Main Tape 1Capital Drive, Suite 101 Cranbury, NJ 08512 1-800-526-8273 x332 -Original Message- From: Celone, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:16 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files I'd also be interested in how everyone handles these files. Right now we run Exchange 5.5 and have a 350MB limit on user's mailboxes. However for many users this is not enough space. Many of them send huge files through email or are just unable or unwilling to give up old emails. What we've been doing is setting up users with PST files on their home drives so this way we still have a backup of them and we suggest they use them as archives. Most of our users have at least a 100Mbit link to their file server so speed isn't too much of an issue even though PST files are not suggested to be used over a LAN link. Our solution is far from perfect and doesn't even work that well. It still presents problems when PST files get huge and go corrupt. Has anyone ever looked into programs like Veritas Storage Migrator? Mike From: Pelle, Joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files I'm sorry for the off topic post, however I'd like some input from the field on a subject we've been throwing around for a while now. That is: what do we do with PST files in Outlook? We're replacing EVERY desktop or laptop in the company and have the opportunity to GET RID OF PST files. Our users abuse the HE11 out of them. The PST files get so big that they end up corrupt - or- take a half an hour to open b/c the file size is 800 - 1 GB... It's tough to manage!!! What are your thoughts on this? How do others manage this? Your comments, thoughts, etc are greatly appreciated! Joe Pelle Infrastructure Architect Information Technology Valassis / IT 19975 Victor Parkway Livonia, MI 48152 Tel 734.591.7324 Fax 734.632.6151 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.valassis.com/ This message may have included proprietary or protected information. This message and the information contained herein are not to be further communicated without my express written consent.
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files
From an exchange list that some of us here are on: Why PSTs are bad, by Ed Crowley. Reprinted by permission of the author (Ed Crowley). Items 11, 12 and 13 courtesy of Stephen Gutknecht. Based on input from the many PST=BAD proselytizers in the Exchange Discussion List and personal experience. PST=BAD #1. They're fragile, especially as they get big. They get corrupted too easily. Users aren't the best at ensuring that their systems are properly shut down. PST=BAD #2. You have to run the Inbox Repair Tool on them way too often. PST=BAD #3. Your users don't back them up. Presumably you do back up the server. PST=BAD #4. Your users don't compact them. They just get bigger and bigger. PST=BAD #5. Your users forget their PST passwords. Even though there are unsupported tools to crack them, it can take a significant amount of time to do so. PST=BAD #6. You lose single instance store (SIS). PST=BAD #7. Messages take up more space in a PST than in an Exchange store. PST=BAD #8. It's simply nuts to store PSTs on a network drive. They just end up taking up more space. Is disk space on your file server cheaper than disk space on your Exchange server? PST=BAD #9. One might think that it will be easier to restore a single mailbox by using server-based PSTs. However, with proper implementation of the Ed Crowley Never Lose a Mailbox Procedure, it should never ever be necessary to restore a mailbox. PST=BAD #10. For road warriors, OSTs are a much superior storage technique, especially with the improvements made with Outlook 98. They allow untethered computing at a higher level than with PSTs, plus with the added security of a backed-up information store on the server. PST=BAD #11: A PST can be opened by only one machine at a time. This precludes a manager and assistant from working from the same PST simultaneously, and precludes team access. PST=BAD #12: You cannot use Outlook Web Access to read your downloaded messages. PST=BAD #13: Future applications, such as unified messaging, will be poorly implemented when using PSTs. Groupware applications that work with the mailbox probably won't work at all. PST=BAD #14: PST files are not secure. Anyone with access to the PST file can open it using the right tools. PST=BAD #15: You cannot clean up PST files after virus infestations. Why PSTs are good. PST=GOOD #1. They're just about all you have when using a POP3 mail source. (We maintain that use of POP3 in an enterprise, unless that's the only client available, is a reflection of administrative sloth.) PST=GOOD #2. They're useful as an archive for those who simply can't ever delete a message, as long as the user understands that they could lose all their data, and as long as they keep it on their local hard drive. The entire thing is located here: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq_appxf.htm From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pelle, JoeSent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 12:47 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files Im sorry for the off topic post, however Id like some input from the field on a subject weve been throwing around for a while now. That is: what do we do with PST files in Outlook? Were replacing EVERY desktop or laptop in the company and have the opportunity to GET RID OF PST files. Our users abuse the HE11 out of them. The PST files get so big that they end up corrupt or- take a half an hour to open b/c the file size is 800 1 GB Its tough to manage!!! What are your thoughts on this? How do others manage this? Your comments, thoughts, etc are greatly appreciated! Joe Pelle Infrastructure Architect Information Technology Valassis / IT 19975 Victor Parkway Livonia, MI 48152 Tel 734.591.7324 Fax 734.632.6151 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.valassis.com/ This message may have included proprietary or protected information. This message and the information contained herein are not to be further communicated without my express written consent.
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files
My recommendation is to look at an archiving solution for your Exchange mail. These are offered by several companies including IXOS, EAS, and Legato to name a few. My belief is if mail is important enough to keep, it should be kept in a central managed servers. While PSTs on a file server meet this requirement PSTs are an inefficient storage medium. (due to loss of single instance storage (sis).) Many of the archive vendors maintain SIS and claim better compression ratios than mail stored in the Exchange information store. Also these solutions replace the email with a stub. This stub allows users of Outlook seamless access to their mail. There is also a central management console that could be search the entire archive if desired. This could be beneficial in legal cases. There are a few drawbacks with storing PST files on a file server. If the drive the PST files are on ever fills up, every PST on the drive that is opened will be corrupted. There is also the problem of backing up PST files if the user keeps Outlook open all the time. Dennis From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Celone, MikeSent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:16 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files I'd also be interested in how everyone handles these files. Right now we run Exchange 5.5 and have a 350MB limit on user's mailboxes. However for many users this is not enough space. Many of them send huge files through email or are just unable or unwilling to give up old emails. What we've been doing is setting up users with PST files on their home drives so this way we still have a backup of them and we suggest they use them as archives. Most of our users have at least a 100Mbit link to their file server so speed isn't too much of an issue even though PST files are not suggested to be used over a LAN link. Our solution is far from perfect and doesn't even work that well. It still presents problems when PST files get huge and go corrupt. Has anyone ever looked into programs like Veritas Storage Migrator? Mike From: Pelle, Joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:47 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files I'm sorry for the off topic post, however I'd like some input from the field on a subject we've been throwing around for a while now. That is: what do we do with PST files in Outlook? We're replacing EVERY desktop or laptop in the company and have the opportunity to GET RID OF PST files. Our users abuse the HE11 out of them. The PST files get so big that they end up corrupt - or- take a half an hour to open b/c the file size is 800 - 1 GB... It's tough to manage!!! What are your thoughts on this? How do others manage this? Your comments, thoughts, etc are greatly appreciated! Joe Pelle Infrastructure Architect Information Technology Valassis / IT 19975 Victor Parkway Livonia, MI 48152 Tel 734.591.7324 Fax 734.632.6151 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.valassis.com/ This message may have included proprietary or protected information. This message and the information contained herein are not to be further communicated without my express written consent.
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files
Same thing were looking at Dennis. We have a lot of PSTs on user Home drives of all places. :-/ There is also the problem that PSTs dont play well w/ incremental or differential backups. If someone downloads one piece of email to that stupid thing, that means you backup the whole [EMAIL PROTECTED] thing. -m From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Depp, Dennis M. Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files My recommendation is to look at an archiving solution for your Exchange mail. These are offered by several companies including IXOS, EAS, and Legato to name a few. My belief is if mail is important enough to keep, it should be kept in a central managed servers. While PSTs on a file server meet this requirement PSTs are an inefficient storage medium. (due to loss of single instance storage (sis).) Many of the archive vendors maintain SIS and claim better compression ratios than mail stored in the Exchange information store. Also these solutions replace the email with a stub. This stub allows users of Outlook seamless access to their mail. There is also a central management console that could be search the entire archive if desired. This could be beneficial in legal cases. There are a few drawbacks with storing PST files on a file server. If the drive the PST files are on ever fills up, every PST on the drive that is opened will be corrupted. There is also the problem of backing up PST files if the user keeps Outlook open all the time. Dennis From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Celone, Mike Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:16 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files I'd also be interested in how everyone handles these files. Right now we run Exchange 5.5 and have a 350MB limit on user's mailboxes. However for many users this is not enough space. Many of them send huge files through email or are just unable or unwilling to give up old emails. What we've been doing is setting up users with PST files on their home drives so this way we still have a backup of them and we suggest they use them as archives. Most of our users have at least a 100Mbit link to their file server so speed isn't too much of an issue even though PST files are not suggested to be used over a LAN link. Our solution is far from perfect and doesn't even work that well. It still presents problems when PST files get huge and go corrupt. Has anyone ever looked into programs like Veritas Storage Migrator? Mike From: Pelle, Joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files I'm sorry for the off topic post, however I'd like some input from the field on a subject we've been throwing around for a while now. That is: what do we do with PST files in Outlook? We're replacing EVERY desktop or laptop in the company and have the opportunity to GET RID OF PST files. Our users abuse the HE11 out of them. The PST files get so big that they end up corrupt - or- take a half an hour to open b/c the file size is 800 - 1 GB... It's tough to manage!!! What are your thoughts on this? How do others manage this? Your comments, thoughts, etc are greatly appreciated! Joe Pelle Infrastructure Architect Information Technology Valassis / IT 19975 Victor Parkway Livonia, MI 48152 Tel 734.591.7324 Fax 734.632.6151 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.valassis.com/ This message may have included proprietary or protected information. This message and the information contained herein are not to be further communicated without my express written consent.
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files
We are using a backup tool for desktops called Connected TLM. They supposedly have a solution for PSTs that does not backup the entire PST file each night. Unfortunately it is an additional cost and we have not purchased it. Denny From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of marcusSent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:09 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files Same thing were looking at Dennis. We have a lot of PSTs on user Home drives of all places. :-/ There is also the problem that PSTs dont play well w/ incremental or differential backups. If someone downloads one piece of email to that stupid thing, that means you backup the whole [EMAIL PROTECTED] thing. -m From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Depp, Dennis M.Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:56 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files My recommendation is to look at an archiving solution for your Exchange mail. These are offered by several companies including IXOS, EAS, and Legato to name a few. My belief is if mail is important enough to keep, it should be kept in a central managed servers. While PSTs on a file server meet this requirement PSTs are an inefficient storage medium. (due to loss of single instance storage (sis).) Many of the archive vendors maintain SIS and claim better compression ratios than mail stored in the Exchange information store. Also these solutions replace the email with a stub. This stub allows users of Outlook seamless access to their mail. There is also a central management console that could be search the entire archive if desired. This could be beneficial in legal cases. There are a few drawbacks with storing PST files on a file server. If the drive the PST files are on ever fills up, every PST on the drive that is opened will be corrupted. There is also the problem of backing up PST files if the user keeps Outlook open all the time. Dennis From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Celone, MikeSent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:16 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files I'd also be interested in how everyone handles these files. Right now we run Exchange 5.5 and have a 350MB limit on user's mailboxes. However for many users this is not enough space. Many of them send huge files through email or are just unable or unwilling to give up old emails. What we've been doing is setting up users with PST files on their home drives so this way we still have a backup of them and we suggest they use them as archives. Most of our users have at least a 100Mbit link to their file server so speed isn't too much of an issue even though PST files are not suggested to be used over a LAN link. Our solution is far from perfect and doesn't even work that well. It still presents problems when PST files get huge and go corrupt. Has anyone ever looked into programs like Veritas Storage Migrator? Mike From: Pelle, Joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:47 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: PST files I'm sorry for the off topic post, however I'd like some input from the field on a subject we've been throwing around for a while now. That is: what do we do with PST files in Outlook? We're replacing EVERY desktop or laptop in the company and have the opportunity to GET RID OF PST files. Our users abuse the HE11 out of them. The PST files get so big that they end up corrupt - or- take a half an hour to open b/c the file size is 800 - 1 GB... It's tough to manage!!! What are your thoughts on this? How do others manage this? Your comments, thoughts, etc are greatly appreciated! Joe Pelle Infrastructure Architect Information Technology Valassis / IT 19975 Victor Parkway Livonia, MI 48152 Tel 734.591.7324 Fax 734.632.6151 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.valassis.com/ This message may have included proprietary or protected information. This message and the information contained herein are not to be further communicated without my express written consent.
