Re: [Adastra] Adastra Digest, Vol 78, Issue 15

[Ray Hamblett]

Hi Evan et al,

The comments have been quite interesting,.. QI
 I did say from the the beginning that it 'may' be a bite. I should add
that daughter had shown me some small blood ( possibly puncture) marks
close to the centre of the sore area, I certainly dont suggest any definite
certainty about it.
I was curious to compare anecdotes to see if such would stack any evidence
one way or the other, thanks to you all. and yes there could be lots of
other causes.
The jury is still out.

Regards

Ray

On 11 November 2012 22:18, Evan Jones  wrote:

> Why Spider bite?
> Could be lots of other reasons.
>
> Hoiwever there will be two tiny puncture marks couple of mm apart from an
> adult spider.
> that should be visible with a magnifying glass if it is spider.
>
> Steatoda nobilis is getting everywhere now, inside and outside. Probably
> reducing native spider diversity (it eats spiders and is a strong
> competitor)
> Steatoda grossa is not much smaller and has been with us in our houses for
> longer
>
> There are other spiders that can bite with some result in our houses as
> well. Steatodas tend not to wander into beds but Scotophaeus blackwalli
> is always at it.
>
> Still the question is why assume spider as first call. Lots of other
> possible reasons.
>
>
> On 11 November 2012 20:13,  wrote:
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>> My 18 yr old daughter awoke with a sore,, slightly swollen thumb with no
>> obvious cause. It was hard to bend and painful to the touch, almost
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>> tears.
>> I suggested a spider bite.
>> Is there any anecdotal info of the effect of steatoda bites?
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>> Why on earth might it be a bite as opposed to any other injury,
>> irritation, infection, splinter? Has she been handling Steatodas or any
>> other spider??
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>>  From: Ray Hamblett 
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>> Subject: [Adastra] Spider bite?
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>> My 18 yr old daughter awoke with a sore,, slightly swollen thumb with no
>> obvious cause. It was hard to bend and painful to the touch, almost causing
>> tears.
>> I suggested a spider bite.?
>> Is there any anecdotal info of the effect of steatoda bites?
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>> There are in Brighton and surrounding areas a species of spider known as
>> the False Widow which does bite even the tiny little babies bite, a large
>> one can make you ill for about a week, but its not fatal.? I had a load in
>> my house at one time, which is how I got to know about them.? Thankfully
>> nearly almost all erraticed now, although a few still turn up now and again.
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>> Why on

Re: [Adastra] Spider bite?

[Candi Gould]

Well I suppose maybe I did have something more exotic as I not an entomologist.





 From: S J Patton 
To: Adastra discussion group  
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Adastra] Spider bite?
 

Well, I m truly surprised. I've regularly handled Steatodas and never been 
bitten. I've also not heard of such an extreme reaction in a healthy person. 
Are you sure you didn't have something more exotic in the house!!?



 From: Candi Gould 
To: Adastra discussion group  
Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2012, 20:23
Subject: Re: [Adastra] Spider bite?
 

No found out the hard way, got bitten





 From: S J Patton 
To: Adastra discussion group  
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Adastra] Spider bite?
 

Did, by chance, the person who eradicated your spiders for you tell you these 
'facts' about them?



 From: Candi Gould 
To: Adastra discussion group  
Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2012, 16:08
Subject: Re: [Adastra] Spider bite?
 

There are in Brighton and surrounding areas a species of spider known as the 
False Widow which does bite even the tiny little babies bite, a large one can 
make you ill for about a week, but its not fatal.  I had a load in my house at 
one time, which is how I got to know about them.  Thankfully nearly almost all 
erraticed now, although a few still turn up now and again.





 From: S J Patton 
To: Adastra discussion group  
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Adastra] Spider bite?
 

Why on earth might it be a bite as opposed to any other injury, irritation, 
infection, splinter? Has she been handling Steatodas or any other spider? 




 From: Ray Hamblett 
To: sxbrc  
Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2012, 15:50
Subject: [Adastra] Spider bite?
 

My 18 yr old daughter awoke with a sore,, slightly swollen thumb with no 
obvious cause. It was hard to bend and painful to the touch, almost causing 
tears.
I suggested a spider bite. 
Is there any anecdotal info of the effect of steatoda bites?

ray H

Re: [Adastra] Adastra Digest, Vol 78, Issue 15

[Charles Roper]

On 12 November 2012 08:03, Ray Hamblett  wrote:

> I was curious to compare anecdotes to see if such would stack any evidence
> one way or the other, thanks to you all.


It's always worth asking an interesting wildlife question on here Ray -
there is a silent majority on this list who vary in experience from
beginner to expert and so threads like these do add seasoning to the
recording stew.

Thanks Ray.

Charles

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Re: [Adastra] Adastra Digest, Vol 78, Issue 15

[S J Patton]

It just worried me that the public hysteria about anything perceived as 
'dangerous' in the natural world was spilling over into this group. Ignore me, 
I'm just old and cynical!



 From: Charles Roper 
To: Adastra discussion group  
Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012, 9:36
Subject: Re: [Adastra] Adastra Digest, Vol 78, Issue 15
 

On 12 November 2012 08:03, Ray Hamblett  wrote:

I was curious to compare anecdotes to see if such would stack any evidence one 
way or the other, thanks to you all.
It's always worth asking an interesting wildlife question on here Ray - there 
is a silent majority on this list who vary in experience from beginner to 
expert and so threads like these do add seasoning to the recording stew.

Thanks Ray.

Charles

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Sussex Biodiversity Record Centre | http://sxbrc.org.uk | 01273 497554


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Re: [Adastra] Adastra Digest, Vol 78, Issue 19

[Evan Jones]

Handling spiders is usually OK.

To get them to bite it is best to squeeze them gently against a body part.
Then its a cert. This is the most common way that people are bitten
accidentally when the spider is stuck in clothing or bedding or if it is
picked up accidentally in firewood or garden stuff
Otherwise mimic prey by intruding a body part into the web structure
temptingly. This also works well if the spider has an aggressive
personality and Steatoda nobilis and grossa both typically have. This can
be accidental or just reckless. I have not been bitten and would not risk
it but my wife has had a light  bite from grossa on her finger. Like a bee
sting she said. Natural History Museum has a bite info web page here
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/life/insects-spiders/identification-guides-and-keys/spider-bites/



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> From: Candi Gould 
> To: Adastra discussion group 
> Subject: Re: [Adastra] Spider bite?
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>
> Well I suppose maybe I did have something more exotic as I not an
> entomologist.
>
>
>
>
> 
>  From: S J Patton 
> To: Adastra discussion group 
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Adastra] Spider bite?
>
>
> Well, I m truly surprised. I've regularly handled Steatodas and never been
> bitten. I've also not heard of such an extreme reaction in a healthy
> person. Are you sure you didn't have something more exotic in the house!!?
>
>
> 
>  From: Candi Gould 
> To: Adastra discussion group 
> Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2012, 20:23
> Subject: Re: [Adastra] Spider bite?
>
>
> No found out the hard way, got bitten
>
>
>
>
> 
>  From: S J Patton 
> To: Adastra discussion group 
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Adastra] Spider bite?
>
>
> Did, by chance, the person who eradicated your spiders for you tell you
> these 'facts' about them?
>
>
> 
>  From: Candi Gould 
> To: Adastra discussion group 
> Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2012, 16:08
> Subject: Re: [Adastra] Spider bite?
>
>
> There are in Brighton and surrounding areas a species of spider known as
> the False Widow which does bite even the tiny little babies bite, a large
> one can make you ill for about a week, but its not fatal.? I had a load in
> my house at one time, which is how I got to know about them.? Thankfully
> nearly almost all erraticed now, although a few still turn up now and again.
>
>
>
>
> 
>  From: S J Patton 
> To: Adastra discussion group 
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 3:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Adastra] Spider bite?
>
>
> Why on earth might it be a bite as opposed to any other injury,
> irritation, infection, splinter? Has she been handling Steatodas or any
> other spider??
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Ray Hamblett 
> To: sxbrc 
> Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2012, 15:50
> Subject: [Adastra] Spider bite?
>
>
> My 18 yr old daughter awoke with a sore,, slightly swollen thumb with no
> obvious cause. It was hard to bend and painful to the touch, almost causing
> tears.
> I suggested a spider bite.?
> Is there any anecdotal info of the effect of steatoda bites?
>
> ray H
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