Re: TDP Copy Groups
> For example. I've set up TDP for Exchange as follows... > > VDE no limit > VDD no limit > REV 60 > ROV 60 Joe, In addition to David's note... All TDPs are not created equal. Therefore you should refer to the User's Guide for each TDP. The User's Guides each have a section about configuring TSM policy settings. For SQL and Exchange versions 2.2, what you have done, is one possible way to do it. In fact, it works very nice because no matter how many backups you take, it will always keep 2 months worth of restorable data. For Oracle, David is correct, you will want VERDELETED=0 and RETONLY=0. Thanks, Del Del Hoobler IBM Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Leave everything a little better than you found it. - Smile a lot: it costs nothing and is beyond price.
Linux 4.2 Client GUI Problems
Hello, I have installed the client on red hat 7.1, and the command line works fine. I have entered a Virtualmount point in dsm.sys and domain=all-local in the dsm.opt and all is good. When i run dsm.exe i cannot browse to any directories for backup, they will not let me expand. the restore tab is fine i can view and restore any data i have backed up through the command line. Also the preferences in the GUI do not relate to what is set in dsm.opt and dsm.sys, they seem to be a bit random each time i start dsm.exe. Anyone any ideas???
Re: TDP for Lotus Domino Backups/Archives
> I am running TSM 4.2.0 and one of my nodes is a Domino Server on Windows > 2000. I am running TDP for Lotus Domino to do backups of our Domino > databases and mail files. What is the best way to go about doing monthly > backups for these databases. I have been using backupsets instead of > archiving because it blows up the db. Then now I find out that you cannot > restore Domino Databases from these backupsets. Any recommendation is > welcome. Rodolfo, TDP for Domino does not support "archive." Do you mean monthly backups outside of the normal backup schedule? There are probably a number of different ways to do this. Some of the customers I have talked to set up a second NODENAME (like DOMSERV99.MONTHLY) and run a full selective backup using that NODENAME. Thanks, Del Del Hoobler IBM Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Leave everything a little better than you found it. - Smile a lot: it costs nothing and is beyond price.
Re: Help Understanding Mgmt classes
Hi Don, I'm not sure to understand your answer. By the way, thanks for your answer. I'm interested in this mailing and was not the originator. Our Backup solution is based on tdp for domino 1.1.2. Our tsm client is 4.2.1.20 based on Windows Nt4 server. here is our strategy: a full backup a week - keeping 5 version (management class=week) a full backup a month - keeping 13 version (management class=month) an incremental version a day - keeping 5 version (management class=daily) after reading your mail, I understand that having 3 MC for the same file will cause the retention to change after every backup when the MC is used. So for example: when week backup is finished, it will apply the MC for the file and when month backup is finished, it will change all retention on every file base on the new MC ? thanks Mike > ___ > Michael REGELIN > Ingénieur Informatique - O.S.O. > Groupware & Messagerie > Centre des Technologies de l'Information (CTI) > Route des Acacias 82 > CP149 - 1211 Genève 8 > Tél. + 41 22 3274322 - Fax + 41 22 3275499 > Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://intraCTI.etat-ge.ch/services_complementaires/messagerie.html > __ > -Message d'origine- De : Don France (TSMnews) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi, 3. mai 2002 03:39 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: Help Understanding Mgmt classes You are abit confused. The *ONLY* way to have TWO policies applicable to a given file is to use TWO node-names for your backups; swapping policy sets *may* work for your situation, if what you want (and set) is 30 versions of a given file... that piece will work. Files can be bound only to one management class at a time; if you try changing MC for the file, it will change ALL versions to that MC, not just the next backup. The policyset-swap trick is useful when changing from modified to absolute and back; that's about the only use I've ever seen for multiple policy sets. Hope this helps. Regards, Don Don France Technical Architect - Tivoli Certified Consultant Professional Association of Contract Employees (P.A.C.E.) San Jose, CA (408) 257-3037 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Diana Noble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Help Understanding Mgmt classes > Hi All - > > I believe I have my management classes all defined with a major flaw. We > do scheduled modified backups during the week and scheduled absolute > backups on Sundays. I have two management classes defined. Both have the > same retentions coded but one has "absolute" for the copy mode and one has > "modified" coded. I have a script that swaps the default management class > on Sundays. After rereading the manual and looking at the archives of this > list, it seems there's no guarantee that the backup will use the default > Management class. Also, if I've specified to keep 30 versions of the data > in both management classes, does that mean I'm going to retain 30 versions > from the "absolute" and 30 versions of the "modified"? I really want 30 > versions all together. > > My thought is to create multiply policy sets, and activate the policy set > that contains only the management class I want. I would then specify a > retention of 4 versions for my policy set that contains the management > class for "absolute". This won't delete any of my 30 versions that were > saved using the policy set that contains the "modified" management class, > will it? Does this make sense, or am I still way off here? > > Diana
Re: TSM Crashing
is there an error before it? anything to the effect of the file system is full? Paul > -Original Message- > From: Ray Baughman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:15 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: TSM Crashing > > Hello All, > > We are experiencing TSM crashes on a daily basis. We are running TSM > 4.2.1.7 on AIX 4.3.3 Every time it happens there is nothing in the > activity > log, however it does place a record into the AIX error log. The following > is the record. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > -- > - > LABEL: CORE_DUMP > IDENTIFIER: C60BB505 > > Date/Time: Thu May 2 18:35:50 > Sequence Number: 15496 > Machine Id: 59574C00 > Node Id: edpserv > Class: S > Type:PERM > Resource Name: SYSPROC > > Description > SOFTWARE PROGRAM ABNORMALLY TERMINATED > > Probable Causes > SOFTWARE PROGRAM > > User Causes > USER GENERATED SIGNAL > > Recommended Actions > CORRECT THEN RETRY > > Failure Causes > SOFTWARE PROGRAM > > Recommended Actions > RERUN THE APPLICATION PROGRAM > IF PROBLEM PERSISTS THEN DO THE FOLLOWING > CONTACT APPROPRIATE SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE > > Detail Data > SIGNAL NUMBER >6 > USER'S PROCESS ID: >44206 > FILE SYSTEM SERIAL NUMBER >6 > INODE NUMBER > 458790 > PROGRAM NAME > dsmserv > ADDITIONAL INFORMATION > pthread_k 80 > ?? > _p_raise 64 > raise 34 > abort B8 > AbortServ 80 > TrapHandl 13C > ?? > ?? > > Symptom Data > REPORTABLE > 1 > INTERNAL ERROR > 0 > SYMPTOM CODE > PCSS/SPI2 FLDS/dsmserv SIG/6 FLDS/AbortServ VALU/80 > > > > Ray Baughman > Engineering Systems Administrator > TSM Administrator > National Machinery LLC > Phone 419-443-2257 > Fax 419-443-2376 > Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: number of clients poll
We have one netstor server (3466, H50 RS/6K) that supports over 1500 desktops and servers - around 300GB a day in incrementals over 4 100Mbps ethernet cards all on the same subnet to large diskpools (several trays of SSA) and then into a 3494 tape library dedicated to this TSM server. The DB is 75GB and at 88% capacity. Yes, there are performance issues (sometimes very severe), but all the issues deal with the TSM DB/log performance. Don't get me on that soap-box... -Original Message- From: Gerald Wichmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 5:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: number of clients poll I'm curious how big some of the TSM servers are out there in terms of how many clients your TSM server services (backs up) daily and what kind of network configuration you're using (gigE, etherchannel, etc). e.g I've seen many environments with 100-150 clients going across 100Mbps or etherchannel configurations. But in the TSM world how big is *BIG*? Gerald Wichmann Sr. Systems Development Engineer Zantaz, Inc. 925.598.3099 w 408.836.9062 c
Re: Recovery Log almost 100%
At 08:40 AM 5/2/2002 -0400, Paul Zarnowski wrote: >In the short term, look for tools to show up that will help TSM >administrators to identify which session has the log tail pinned ... Gretchen Theile of Princeton just told me last night that the new "show logpinned" command is now in 4.2.2.1.
Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss
I've done Netware NDS restores. Netware 4.11, anyway. It's possible, it can be done, but if you have any NDS replica left on your network anywhere, it's much easier to just promote it to master, let everything synchronize, and then move the master again. Just my opinion, YMMV. -Original Message- From: Remeta, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss HAHA! 'Haven't tried a restore yet.' -Original Message- From: David Longo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss Yes, you can backup the NDS, but it is not backed up by default! Look in manual uder DOMAIN statement, you have to explicitly specify it. Then look at file Ntwback.htm loaded with yoyu Netware client install under ...Tivoli/Tsm/Client directory. If you have objects spread out over several machines, then I would do the NDS backup from the machien with least data/least busy. The backup of NDS "walks" the tree and gets from all machines. NOTE: License objects cannot be backed up! There is expalnation in documentation. Haven't tried a restore yet. David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 Pager 321.634.8230 Fax:321.434.5525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/02/02 03:19PM >>> I've been asked by our NDS expert, if TSM backs up the netware hidden directory. Apparently it doesn't as I've watched TSM backup the NDS and it backups the individual NDS objects. Has anyone had to do a complete restore of a netware box, including NDS? Did it work, what steps did you take as the backup/archive manual for netware is lacking this kind of information "MMS " made the following annotations on 05/02/02 16:16:14 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. == Confidentiality Note: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to whom or which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please delete this material immediately.
Re: TSM Crashing
Paul There is dbx utility in AIX to check what exactly happened .U need to preserve core file. Another thing I would look into bos.rte file maintenance level and see if this as some APAR with Tivoli file sets. Look in TSM website.Add be sure ur both OS and TSM are at latest Patch levels. Balanand -Original Message- From: Coviello, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 7:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TSM Crashing is there an error before it? anything to the effect of the file system is full? Paul > -Original Message- > From: Ray Baughman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:15 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: TSM Crashing > > Hello All, > > We are experiencing TSM crashes on a daily basis. We are running TSM > 4.2.1.7 on AIX 4.3.3 Every time it happens there is nothing in the > activity > log, however it does place a record into the AIX error log. The following > is the record. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > -- > - > LABEL: CORE_DUMP > IDENTIFIER: C60BB505 > > Date/Time: Thu May 2 18:35:50 > Sequence Number: 15496 > Machine Id: 59574C00 > Node Id: edpserv > Class: S > Type:PERM > Resource Name: SYSPROC > > Description > SOFTWARE PROGRAM ABNORMALLY TERMINATED > > Probable Causes > SOFTWARE PROGRAM > > User Causes > USER GENERATED SIGNAL > > Recommended Actions > CORRECT THEN RETRY > > Failure Causes > SOFTWARE PROGRAM > > Recommended Actions > RERUN THE APPLICATION PROGRAM > IF PROBLEM PERSISTS THEN DO THE FOLLOWING > CONTACT APPROPRIATE SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE > > Detail Data > SIGNAL NUMBER >6 > USER'S PROCESS ID: >44206 > FILE SYSTEM SERIAL NUMBER >6 > INODE NUMBER > 458790 > PROGRAM NAME > dsmserv > ADDITIONAL INFORMATION > pthread_k 80 > ?? > _p_raise 64 > raise 34 > abort B8 > AbortServ 80 > TrapHandl 13C > ?? > ?? > > Symptom Data > REPORTABLE > 1 > INTERNAL ERROR > 0 > SYMPTOM CODE > PCSS/SPI2 FLDS/dsmserv SIG/6 FLDS/AbortServ VALU/80 > > > > Ray Baughman > Engineering Systems Administrator > TSM Administrator > National Machinery LLC > Phone 419-443-2257 > Fax 419-443-2376 > Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TSM 4.2 differences
How about the TSM 4.2 Technical Guide Redbook SG24-6277? Not powerpoint, I know... _ William Mansfield Senior Consultant Solution Technology, Inc "Don France (TSMnews)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/02/2002 02:54 PM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: TSM 4.2 differences Nope... I do have hardcopy (from SHARE); you might find what you want in the books --- there's a good "summary of changes" in the preface of the Admin. Guide, Using xxx Clients, and Admin. Ref. Don France Technical Architect - Tivoli Certified Consultant Professional Association of Contract Employees (P.A.C.E.) San Jose, CA (408) 257-3037 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Gerald Wichmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:39 AM Subject: TSM 4.2 differences > Does anyone have the TSM 4.2 differences powerpoint presentation on what > changed from 4.1 to 4.2? Or could point me in the proper place to look that > up. Thanks > > Gerald Wichmann > Sr. Systems Development Engineer > Zantaz, Inc. > 925.598.3099 w > 408.836.9062 c >
TSM Crashing
Hello All, We are experiencing TSM crashes on a daily basis. We are running TSM 4.2.1.7 on AIX 4.3.3 Every time it happens there is nothing in the activity log, however it does place a record into the AIX error log. The following is the record. Any help would be greatly appreciated. --- LABEL: CORE_DUMP IDENTIFIER: C60BB505 Date/Time: Thu May 2 18:35:50 Sequence Number: 15496 Machine Id: 59574C00 Node Id: edpserv Class: S Type:PERM Resource Name: SYSPROC Description SOFTWARE PROGRAM ABNORMALLY TERMINATED Probable Causes SOFTWARE PROGRAM User Causes USER GENERATED SIGNAL Recommended Actions CORRECT THEN RETRY Failure Causes SOFTWARE PROGRAM Recommended Actions RERUN THE APPLICATION PROGRAM IF PROBLEM PERSISTS THEN DO THE FOLLOWING CONTACT APPROPRIATE SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE Detail Data SIGNAL NUMBER 6 USER'S PROCESS ID: 44206 FILE SYSTEM SERIAL NUMBER 6 INODE NUMBER 458790 PROGRAM NAME dsmserv ADDITIONAL INFORMATION pthread_k 80 ?? _p_raise 64 raise 34 abort B8 AbortServ 80 TrapHandl 13C ?? ?? Symptom Data REPORTABLE 1 INTERNAL ERROR 0 SYMPTOM CODE PCSS/SPI2 FLDS/dsmserv SIG/6 FLDS/AbortServ VALU/80 Ray Baughman Engineering Systems Administrator TSM Administrator National Machinery LLC Phone 419-443-2257 Fax 419-443-2376 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
filesystems and directories under the same name
Good morning everyone I can across an problem with no idea of a resolution. AIX TSM server 4.2 I had a filesystem called say /inbound/site now they removed the filesystem but still needed the pathso they have a filesystem called /inbound and created a sub directory called site When you try to do a restore via the command line it only finds the filesystem data not the directory data If I try to restore via X window or web I have to go through the filesystem /inbound and to the subdirectory site How can I get the data off the filesystem /inbound/site and in the directory /inbound/site I can'd restore the data and then back it up again...too much data and not enough space on the server Sorry to hit everyone in the morning with this...but I was trying to figure this out all last night w/ no success Thanks George Hagopian AIX/TSM Administator ICT Group
Re: TSM Crashing
Also, look at dsmserv.err in your /usr/tivoli/tsm/server/bin dir. (the bottom..) -Original Message- From: PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TSM Crashing Paul There is dbx utility in AIX to check what exactly happened .U need to preserve core file. Another thing I would look into bos.rte file maintenance level and see if this as some APAR with Tivoli file sets. Look in TSM website.Add be sure ur both OS and TSM are at latest Patch levels. Balanand -Original Message- From: Coviello, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 7:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TSM Crashing is there an error before it? anything to the effect of the file system is full? Paul > -Original Message- > From: Ray Baughman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:15 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: TSM Crashing > > Hello All, > > We are experiencing TSM crashes on a daily basis. We are running TSM > 4.2.1.7 on AIX 4.3.3 Every time it happens there is nothing in the > activity > log, however it does place a record into the AIX error log. The following > is the record. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > -- > - > LABEL: CORE_DUMP > IDENTIFIER: C60BB505 > > Date/Time: Thu May 2 18:35:50 > Sequence Number: 15496 > Machine Id: 59574C00 > Node Id: edpserv > Class: S > Type:PERM > Resource Name: SYSPROC > > Description > SOFTWARE PROGRAM ABNORMALLY TERMINATED > > Probable Causes > SOFTWARE PROGRAM > > User Causes > USER GENERATED SIGNAL > > Recommended Actions > CORRECT THEN RETRY > > Failure Causes > SOFTWARE PROGRAM > > Recommended Actions > RERUN THE APPLICATION PROGRAM > IF PROBLEM PERSISTS THEN DO THE FOLLOWING > CONTACT APPROPRIATE SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE > > Detail Data > SIGNAL NUMBER >6 > USER'S PROCESS ID: >44206 > FILE SYSTEM SERIAL NUMBER >6 > INODE NUMBER > 458790 > PROGRAM NAME > dsmserv > ADDITIONAL INFORMATION > pthread_k 80 > ?? > _p_raise 64 > raise 34 > abort B8 > AbortServ 80 > TrapHandl 13C > ?? > ?? > > Symptom Data > REPORTABLE > 1 > INTERNAL ERROR > 0 > SYMPTOM CODE > PCSS/SPI2 FLDS/dsmserv SIG/6 FLDS/AbortServ VALU/80 > > > > Ray Baughman > Engineering Systems Administrator > TSM Administrator > National Machinery LLC > Phone 419-443-2257 > Fax 419-443-2376 > Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Files being backed up on client
Hi, I'm new to TSM and I just have a registry failure of Windows95 on a client and PC people told me they need to reinstall Windows and other applications. One of those applications have very complicated settings saved on Windows registry, which will be lost when reinstalled. I know that TSM was backing daily this client. This client is connected to TSM server directly, meaning that when I go to 'network view' and 'client node', I don't see the icon 'Link to node'. I think I need to check what files has been backing up on client, but I don't know how. How do I restore all 'settings' of this particular application (NCS scanning software). I appreciate your help. Thanks. Jin Bae Chi (Gus) Data Center 614-287-2496 614-287-5488 Fax e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: filesystems and directories under the same name
Did you try a point in time restore from the time the old data was there? "Hagopian, George" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: filesystems and directories under the same name Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU> 05/03/2002 09:22 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" Good morning everyone I can across an problem with no idea of a resolution. AIX TSM server 4.2 I had a filesystem called say /inbound/site now they removed the filesystem but still needed the pathso they have a filesystem called /inbound and created a sub directory called site When you try to do a restore via the command line it only finds the filesystem data not the directory data If I try to restore via X window or web I have to go through the filesystem /inbound and to the subdirectory site How can I get the data off the filesystem /inbound/site and in the directory /inbound/site I can'd restore the data and then back it up again...too much data and not enough space on the server Sorry to hit everyone in the morning with this...but I was trying to figure this out all last night w/ no success Thanks George Hagopian AIX/TSM Administator ICT Group
Re: filesystems and directories under the same name
George, Did a backup run between the time that the filesystem was removed and the new file system created? I believe that when /inbound/site was removed the data was lost. If a backup was run TSM would mark the data as inactive. Now when your are try to restore to the new filesystem you should be looking at inactive file not only inactive. Just a thought. Thanks, Jon Martin -Original Message- From: Hagopian, George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: filesystems and directories under the same name Good morning everyone I can across an problem with no idea of a resolution. AIX TSM server 4.2 I had a filesystem called say /inbound/site now they removed the filesystem but still needed the pathso they have a filesystem called /inbound and created a sub directory called site When you try to do a restore via the command line it only finds the filesystem data not the directory data If I try to restore via X window or web I have to go through the filesystem /inbound and to the subdirectory site How can I get the data off the filesystem /inbound/site and in the directory /inbound/site I can'd restore the data and then back it up again...too much data and not enough space on the server Sorry to hit everyone in the morning with this...but I was trying to figure this out all last night w/ no success Thanks George Hagopian AIX/TSM Administator ICT Group
Re: Help Understanding Mgmt classes
Don - I think I'm more than a bit confused. So, according to your first paragraph, I cannot activate a new (different) policy set within a domain and expect that my files will then be backed up according to the mgmtclass specifications in in the new policy set? So what is the best way to swap back and forth between absolute and modified backups, keeping a retention of 30 versions combined. Would it be best to modifiy my existing management class backup copygroup to absolute or modified depending on what should be done that day, leaving the version count the same? If I change it to absolute, what does that do the modified backups already taken, anything? Thank you for your help. Diana Quoting "Don France (TSMnews)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > You are abit confused. The *ONLY* way to have TWO policies applicable to a > given file is to use TWO node-names for your backups; swapping policy sets > *may* work for your situation, if what you want (and set) is 30 versions of > a given file... that piece will work. > > Files can be bound only to one management class at a time; if you try > changing MC for the file, it will change ALL versions to that MC, not just > the next backup. The policyset-swap trick is useful when changing from > modified to absolute and back; that's about the only use I've ever seen > for > multiple policy sets. Hope this helps. > > Regards, > Don > > Don France > Technical Architect - Tivoli Certified Consultant > Professional Association of Contract Employees (P.A.C.E.) > San Jose, CA > (408) 257-3037 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > From: "Diana Noble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:13 AM > Subject: Help Understanding Mgmt classes > > > > Hi All - > > > > I believe I have my management classes all defined with a major flaw. We > > do scheduled modified backups during the week and scheduled absolute > > backups on Sundays. I have two management classes defined. Both have > the > > same retentions coded but one has "absolute" for the copy mode and one > has > > "modified" coded. I have a script that swaps the default management > class > > on Sundays. After rereading the manual and looking at the archives of > this > > list, it seems there's no guarantee that the backup will use the default > > Management class. Also, if I've specified to keep 30 versions of the > data > > in both management classes, does that mean I'm going to retain 30 > versions > > from the "absolute" and 30 versions of the "modified"? I really want 30 > > versions all together. > > > > My thought is to create multiply policy sets, and activate the policy set > > that contains only the management class I want. I would then specify a > > retention of 4 versions for my policy set that contains the management > > class for "absolute". This won't delete any of my 30 versions that were > > saved using the policy set that contains the "modified" management class, > > will it? Does this make sense, or am I still way off here? > > > > Diana >
Re: filesystems and directories under the same name
Common problem !
Look into the use of braces... { }
When something gets altered like this use braces to explicitly specify the
filespace name...
so on your query try either
q backup {/inbound/site}/*
or
q backup {/inbound}/site/*
One of the two will give you what you want...
Dwight E. Cook
Software Application Engineer III
Science Applications International Corporation
509 S. Boston Ave. Suit 220
Tulsa, Oklahoma 74103-4606
Office (918) 732-7109
-Original Message-
From: Hagopian, George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: filesystems and directories under the same name
Good morning everyone
I can across an problem with no idea of a resolution.
AIX TSM server 4.2
I had a filesystem called say /inbound/site
now they removed the filesystem but still needed the pathso
they have a filesystem called /inbound and created a sub directory called
site
When you try to do a restore via the command line it only finds the
filesystem data not the directory data
If I try to restore via X window or web I have to go through the filesystem
/inbound and to the subdirectory site
How can I get the data off the filesystem /inbound/site and in the directory
/inbound/site
I can'd restore the data and then back it up again...too much data and not
enough space on the server
Sorry to hit everyone in the morning with this...but I was trying to figure
this out all last night w/ no success
Thanks
George Hagopian
AIX/TSM Administator
ICT Group
Re: filesystems and directories under the same name
I had the same experience. I ended up removing the original filespace (/inbound/site), but you could rename it...as you have another (/inbound)look/check via the q filespace command. GUI doesn't work, but command line should (check)...q back or q arch... good luck. hope this helps. TW -Original Message- From: Hagopian, George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: filesystems and directories under the same name Good morning everyone I can across an problem with no idea of a resolution. AIX TSM server 4.2 I had a filesystem called say /inbound/site now they removed the filesystem but still needed the pathso they have a filesystem called /inbound and created a sub directory called site When you try to do a restore via the command line it only finds the filesystem data not the directory data If I try to restore via X window or web I have to go through the filesystem /inbound and to the subdirectory site How can I get the data off the filesystem /inbound/site and in the directory /inbound/site I can'd restore the data and then back it up again...too much data and not enough space on the server Sorry to hit everyone in the morning with this...but I was trying to figure this out all last night w/ no success Thanks George Hagopian AIX/TSM Administator ICT Group
Re: Management Class problem
Can someone clarify Edgardo's response. Particularly, "when you set up "NTWCLASS" with a higher retention number of versions". Higher than what? Is this by design? I also have ONLY directory structures going to mgmtclasses that I would not suspect. thx. -joe- -Original Message- From: Edgardo Moso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Management Class problem That happens when you set up "NTWCLASS" with higher retention number of days or versions. The directory backup goes to the mgt classs with the highest retention. Ours, we specified the directory backup by using DIRMC "mgt classs". From: David Longo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 04/26/2002 11:59 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Management Class problem I have TSM server 4.2.1.10 on AIX 4.3.3 ML09. I have AIX clients TSM 4.2.1.23 and NT clients 4.2.1.20. This is a new setup, has been running a few months. I just noticed that "some" of the data from these clients is being bound to mgt class "NTWCLASS" and not to the default Class. I double checked the ACTIVE management class and backup copy groups. The "DEFAULTCLASS" is the default and NTWCLASS is not. (I have setup NTWCLASS, but not using it yet - or I thought not!!). I do not have ANY CLIENTOPSETS defined. I do not have these copygroups using each other as "NEXT". I checked the dsm.opt and dsm.sys and backup.excl files and I am not using this class. Using default or other special classes. Notice I said "some" of the data is going to wrong class, some of it is going to correct class. It is not clear on the data as to the pattern of what's going to wrong place. This data should all be bound to "default". Whats's the deal? David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 Pager 321.634.8230 Fax:321.434.5525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "MMS " made the following annotations on 04/26/02 12:13:55 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. ==
Re: Management Class problem
Go to GUI mode and check up. -Original Message- From: Wholey, Joseph (TGA\MLOL) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Management Class problem Can someone clarify Edgardo's response. Particularly, "when you set up "NTWCLASS" with a higher retention number of versions". Higher than what? Is this by design? I also have ONLY directory structures going to mgmtclasses that I would not suspect. thx. -joe- -Original Message- From: Edgardo Moso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Management Class problem That happens when you set up "NTWCLASS" with higher retention number of days or versions. The directory backup goes to the mgt classs with the highest retention. Ours, we specified the directory backup by using DIRMC "mgt classs". From: David Longo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 04/26/2002 11:59 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Management Class problem I have TSM server 4.2.1.10 on AIX 4.3.3 ML09. I have AIX clients TSM 4.2.1.23 and NT clients 4.2.1.20. This is a new setup, has been running a few months. I just noticed that "some" of the data from these clients is being bound to mgt class "NTWCLASS" and not to the default Class. I double checked the ACTIVE management class and backup copy groups. The "DEFAULTCLASS" is the default and NTWCLASS is not. (I have setup NTWCLASS, but not using it yet - or I thought not!!). I do not have ANY CLIENTOPSETS defined. I do not have these copygroups using each other as "NEXT". I checked the dsm.opt and dsm.sys and backup.excl files and I am not using this class. Using default or other special classes. Notice I said "some" of the data is going to wrong class, some of it is going to correct class. It is not clear on the data as to the pattern of what's going to wrong place. This data should all be bound to "default". Whats's the deal? David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 Pager 321.634.8230 Fax:321.434.5525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "MMS " made the following annotations on 04/26/02 12:13:55 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. ==
Re: filesystems and directories under the same name
For aix, I don't believe that TSM works that way...removing a filesystem (all activity stops...) is different in TSM's eyes than removing a file (file(s) change to inactive...delete policies take effect, etc)(from what I've seen). * reminder...if you archive from that filesystem, then you may not be able to remove it (retention of archive files...), but keep in mind the rename option... * Thanks Tim -Original Message- From: Martin, Jon R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filesystems and directories under the same name George, Did a backup run between the time that the filesystem was removed and the new file system created? I believe that when /inbound/site was removed the data was lost. If a backup was run TSM would mark the data as inactive. Now when your are try to restore to the new filesystem you should be looking at inactive file not only inactive. Just a thought. Thanks, Jon Martin -Original Message- From: Hagopian, George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: filesystems and directories under the same name Good morning everyone I can across an problem with no idea of a resolution. AIX TSM server 4.2 I had a filesystem called say /inbound/site now they removed the filesystem but still needed the pathso they have a filesystem called /inbound and created a sub directory called site When you try to do a restore via the command line it only finds the filesystem data not the directory data If I try to restore via X window or web I have to go through the filesystem /inbound and to the subdirectory site How can I get the data off the filesystem /inbound/site and in the directory /inbound/site I can'd restore the data and then back it up again...too much data and not enough space on the server Sorry to hit everyone in the morning with this...but I was trying to figure this out all last night w/ no success Thanks George Hagopian AIX/TSM Administator ICT Group
Re: number of clients poll
Our largest TSM server backs up about 30 medium-sized servers and 425 workstations. Total data ~ 150 GB/day. Largest client sends 18 GB/day, Oracle TDP sends about 12 GB/day, the rest is all small files. TSM server is a very ordinary RS6000 F50, with a mixture of SSA and SCSI disk, 1GB memory. STK9840 tape. Clients are 100MB Ethernet, servers are a mixture of 100MB and GB Ethernet. (Although we have seen NO benefit so far to putting a GB Ethernet card in a Windows client - anybody know why?) TSM DB is 26.5 GB used. If I were not running reclaims all the time, the F50 would never even breathe hard. I consider this "medium size" for a TSM install. -Original Message- From: Gerald Wichmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 6:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: number of clients poll I'm curious how big some of the TSM servers are out there in terms of how many clients your TSM server services (backs up) daily and what kind of network configuration you're using (gigE, etherchannel, etc). e.g I've seen many environments with 100-150 clients going across 100Mbps or etherchannel configurations. But in the TSM world how big is *BIG*? Gerald Wichmann Sr. Systems Development Engineer Zantaz, Inc. 925.598.3099 w 408.836.9062 c
Re: Management Class problem
Unless you specify a mgt class for DIRMC, it by design is bound to the mgt class/copy group in that Domain with the longest retention period as defined in the copy group. In other words, higher than anything else in that Policy Domain's Active Policy Set. That's a quick answer, condensed from manual "TSM Installing the Clients" and the section for the DIRMC processing option. David Longo >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/03/02 09:46AM >>> Can someone clarify Edgardo's response. Particularly, "when you set up "NTWCLASS" with a higher retention number of versions". Higher than what? Is this by design? I also have ONLY directory structures going to mgmtclasses that I would not suspect. thx. -joe- -Original Message- From: Edgardo Moso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Management Class problem That happens when you set up "NTWCLASS" with higher retention number of days or versions. The directory backup goes to the mgt classs with the highest retention. Ours, we specified the directory backup by using DIRMC "mgt classs". From: David Longo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 04/26/2002 11:59 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Management Class problem I have TSM server 4.2.1.10 on AIX 4.3.3 ML09. I have AIX clients TSM 4.2.1.23 and NT clients 4.2.1.20. This is a new setup, has been running a few months. I just noticed that "some" of the data from these clients is being bound to mgt class "NTWCLASS" and not to the default Class. I double checked the ACTIVE management class and backup copy groups. The "DEFAULTCLASS" is the default and NTWCLASS is not. (I have setup NTWCLASS, but not using it yet - or I thought not!!). I do not have ANY CLIENTOPSETS defined. I do not have these copygroups using each other as "NEXT". I checked the dsm.opt and dsm.sys and backup.excl files and I am not using this class. Using default or other special classes. Notice I said "some" of the data is going to wrong class, some of it is going to correct class. It is not clear on the data as to the pattern of what's going to wrong place. This data should all be bound to "default". Whats's the deal? David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 Pager 321.634.8230 Fax:321.434.5525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "MMS " made the following annotations on 04/26/02 12:13:55 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. == "MMS " made the following annotations on 05/03/02 11:25:22 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. ==
Re: filesystems and directories under the same name
Tried the idea some of you gave me with
{/inbound}/site
and that did exactly what I was looking for
if I leave the french braces off ( I think that's what their called) then it
looks to my backups as a filesystem
when I put them in the format above then it grabs the data from the
directory
Thank you everyone for your responses and your help...have a great day...you
made mine
George
> -Original Message-
> From: Hagopian, George
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:18 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: filesystems and directories under the same name
>
> Good morning everyone
>
> I can across an problem with no idea of a resolution.
> AIX TSM server 4.2
>
> I had a filesystem called say /inbound/site
> now they removed the filesystem but still needed the pathso
> they have a filesystem called /inbound and created a sub directory called
> site
>
> When you try to do a restore via the command line it only finds the
> filesystem data not the directory data
> If I try to restore via X window or web I have to go through the
> filesystem /inbound and to the subdirectory site
>
> How can I get the data off the filesystem /inbound/site and in the
> directory /inbound/site
> I can'd restore the data and then back it up again...too much data and not
> enough space on the server
>
> Sorry to hit everyone in the morning with this...but I was trying to
> figure this out all last night w/ no success
>
> Thanks
> George Hagopian
> AIX/TSM Administator
> ICT Group
Re: Management Class problem
... and check up what? -Original Message- From: PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Management Class problem Go to GUI mode and check up. -Original Message- From: Wholey, Joseph (TGA\MLOL) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Management Class problem Can someone clarify Edgardo's response. Particularly, "when you set up "NTWCLASS" with a higher retention number of versions". Higher than what? Is this by design? I also have ONLY directory structures going to mgmtclasses that I would not suspect. thx. -joe- -Original Message- From: Edgardo Moso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Management Class problem That happens when you set up "NTWCLASS" with higher retention number of days or versions. The directory backup goes to the mgt classs with the highest retention. Ours, we specified the directory backup by using DIRMC "mgt classs". From: David Longo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 04/26/2002 11:59 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Management Class problem I have TSM server 4.2.1.10 on AIX 4.3.3 ML09. I have AIX clients TSM 4.2.1.23 and NT clients 4.2.1.20. This is a new setup, has been running a few months. I just noticed that "some" of the data from these clients is being bound to mgt class "NTWCLASS" and not to the default Class. I double checked the ACTIVE management class and backup copy groups. The "DEFAULTCLASS" is the default and NTWCLASS is not. (I have setup NTWCLASS, but not using it yet - or I thought not!!). I do not have ANY CLIENTOPSETS defined. I do not have these copygroups using each other as "NEXT". I checked the dsm.opt and dsm.sys and backup.excl files and I am not using this class. Using default or other special classes. Notice I said "some" of the data is going to wrong class, some of it is going to correct class. It is not clear on the data as to the pattern of what's going to wrong place. This data should all be bound to "default". Whats's the deal? David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 Pager 321.634.8230 Fax:321.434.5525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "MMS " made the following annotations on 04/26/02 12:13:55 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. ==
Re: Multimedia environment using ACSLS
Can you explain what you mean by "only operate one at a time".. 18 months ago we had 9840's and DLT's in an STK9710 with ACSLS 5.2. No problem just defining two libraries on the same /dev/mchanger address. Wasn't that TSM supported it directly, there just wasn't anything to keep it from working. Did need to define the library as SHARED. We were on TSM 3.7 at the time, though, and the TSM server was AIX. -Original Message- From: Firmes, Stephen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Multimedia environment using ACSLS What I am trying to get working is this: I have an STK L700 lib with approx 384 slots 4 DLT7000 drives 1 STK 9940 drive 1 STK 9840 drive 1 STK 9840B drive I have the following media types: DLTIV - compat with DLT7000 9840 (STK1R) compat with 9840 and 9840B 9940 (STK2R) compat with 9940 drive I have defined 3 libraries within TSM DLTLIB 9940LIB 9840LIB I also have three corresponding device classes: DLT T9940 T9840 The issue that I am having is that the three libraries can only operate one at a time. This is because I can not define the library as SHARED=YES, because that option is only valid for 349X and SCSI. Solaris 8 ACSLS 6.0.1 TSM 4.2.1.9 Thanks for your help. Stephen Firmes TSM Engineer Tivoli Certified TSM Consultant StorageNetworks, Inc Work: 781-622-6287 http://www.storagenetworks.com
Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss
It's even funnier than that! As I am moving clients over from 3.7.4.0 server to new 4.2.1 server, I am using oppurtunity to "fix" any problems I hadn't fixed in last year or so. I "accidentally" stumbled on to the fact that NDS wasn't being backed up. Further checking showed it had been well over 2 years since it had been backed up. Backing it up daily now with a little fine tuning to do. "If it ain't backed up, you can't restore it!" David Longo >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/02/02 04:55PM >>> HAHA! 'Haven't tried a restore yet.' -Original Message- From: David Longo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss Yes, you can backup the NDS, but it is not backed up by default! Look in manual uder DOMAIN statement, you have to explicitly specify it. Then look at file Ntwback.htm loaded with yoyu Netware client install under ...Tivoli/Tsm/Client directory. If you have objects spread out over several machines, then I would do the NDS backup from the machien with least data/least busy. The backup of NDS "walks" the tree and gets from all machines. NOTE: License objects cannot be backed up! There is expalnation in documentation. Haven't tried a restore yet. David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 Pager 321.634.8230 Fax:321.434.5525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/02/02 03:19PM >>> I've been asked by our NDS expert, if TSM backs up the netware hidden directory. Apparently it doesn't as I've watched TSM backup the NDS and it backups the individual NDS objects. Has anyone had to do a complete restore of a netware box, including NDS? Did it work, what steps did you take as the backup/archive manual for netware is lacking this kind of information "MMS " made the following annotations on 05/02/02 16:16:14 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. == Confidentiality Note: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to whom or which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please delete this material immediately. "MMS " made the following annotations on 05/03/02 12:04:23 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. ==
import node problems
I'm trying to import a node to 4.1.2.0 server on Solaris 2.6 - It's an archive only export of a node on another system. The import fails, and terminates the session of the admin trying to import. I have tracked this tidbit down: One of the management classes in the domain where the node was exported referenced a destination pool named "ARCHIVEPOOL". That pool no longer exists on the source server, nor on the target server. Provided that is the cause of the failure, is there any way to import the node without haveing to create the pool and management classes, etc first?
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Re: number of clients poll
I think we classify as "small" -- (and "atypical") 18 AIX (RS/6000) nodes 23 WinNT servers 2 Linux systems TSM database is 7.5 GB and at 77% TSM Server is an IBM S7A (also my HA fallover system for my SAP DB server) running TSM 4.2.1.13 on AIX 4.3.3 ML 6. TSM database is mirrored internally by TSM on two seperate raid arrays on an IBM ESS (I'm paranoid, OK? :-) We do about 640 to 650 GB of backup and archive nightly -- 560 GB of SAP/Oracle database, 15 GB of MS-Exchange, and the rest an assortment of Oracle databases (home-grown processes, no TDP for Oracle) and incrementals. We don't do workstations or desktops (except mine -- testbed for the NT/2K client code :-) as by definition, if the application or data is required to run the business, it's on a server. The TSM environment is explicitly configured for Business Recovery (D/R) and the ability to recover a lost/corrupted file locally is really just a side-effect. I have a mix of 100 Mb and Gigabit ethernet as a dedicated backup network, seperate from our user network. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc > -Original Message- > From: Gerald Wichmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 5:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: number of clients poll > > > I'm curious how big some of the TSM servers are out there in > terms of how > many clients your TSM server services (backs up) daily and > what kind of > network configuration you're using (gigE, etherchannel, etc). > e.g I've seen > many environments with 100-150 clients going across 100Mbps > or etherchannel > configurations. But in the TSM world how big is *BIG*? > > Gerald Wichmann > Sr. Systems Development Engineer > Zantaz, Inc. > 925.598.3099 w > 408.836.9062 c >
Re: compress setup question
Adsm 3.1.2? ouch.. that's old and not even supported anymore.. Anyways I started with 3.7 so other then that descrepency... 1. There shouldn't be a problem although you should be aware that it will increase the load on all your servers as they'll now have to also compress the files when doing backups. I've seen this become an issue on servers that already experience a significant load. 2. The only time I've seen a "no space on server" type error in regards to compression is when you have caching enabled on your disk pools. So caching + compression would cause problems. But each without the other worked great. 3. again the only problem is that all clients now will experience an increased load due to having to compress the data. For most this isn't an issue but some environments may have a client or two that under normal operations experience quite a load already. Gerald Wichmann Sr. Systems Development Engineer Zantaz, Inc. 925.598.3099 w 408.836.9062 c -Original Message- From: Julie Xu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: compress setup question Dear adsmer, we have setup our adsm server version 3.1.2 for all the client to compress depend no client. Compression: Client's Choice Our client do not want the choice and they want me to setup compress at server end. Before I do it, I would like to get advice about: 1. For WinNT servers, the force compress will cause problem at time of backup/restory? 2. The reason they do not like to make decision about compress is that some machine is ok to compress; some will get error as "no space on server". Can it be avoided by setup compress on server? 3. What is the petiential problem related adsm server setup force compress. Regards Julie Julie Xu Unix/Network Administrator Information Technology Directorate University of Westen Sydney, Campbelltown Campbelltown NSW 2560 Phone: 61 02 4620-3098 Mobile: 0416 179 868 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: Has anyone experienced server crashes with netware when an ar chive job is run
> Novel servers using TSM client 4.1.3 are crashing when an archive is job > is run if all volumes are archived. If the jobs are broken down to 1 > volume at a time it works. The TSM server is 3.7.4 on AIX. > > > Appreciate any help > > Richard Menides > > Virtual Support Desk Inc. > *** This message and any attachments is solely for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this message is prohibited -- please immediately and permanently delete this message.
Re: Recovery Log almost 100%
Paul - I have run *SM on a mainframe since 1992 - my company participated in both the alpha and beta test. DB2 was never used for the database. What I have heard is that the database engine in tsm is an early model of DB2, so we are all using DB2 in a sense. No doubt you are right that things are optimized, but the question is if the internal database is a sow's ear, how much can it be optimized; it will never be a silk purse. I don't know if tsm would perform better with today's version of db2 or oracle. People with large tsm db's aren't looking for better performance, we are looking for better manageability. With commercial dbms's you don't have the logging problem, you can do multithreaded db backups, you can reorg it without an extended outage. In any case I think this is just an academic debate; I am 99% certain that it will never happen if only for the reason that vendors like blackboxes to protect their software assets. - Bill At 07:13 PM 5/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >ADSM on the mainframe use to use DB2 and they killed it because of the cost >to the customer, both maintaining another product and the actual license >cost. The TSM relational engine is optimized for TSM processing. A general >relational database cannot hold a candle to the performance differences on >equal hardware. The other issue is Tivoli does not want you mucking around >in the tables updating them with update commands. The referential integrity >is paramount to TSM stability. The real missing piece in TSM's DB engine is >the ability to partition the database and parallel backup/restore. More >important is the 4K block size that kills IO performance on sequential >operations such as a backup/restore. I think Tivoli will see the need and >do something about it. These have been discussed at Share. > >You will find that "black box" is what most customers require to protect >themselves. I realize if they used a general RDBMS that we could extend the >code of TSM significantly further than with the current command >capabilities. But, that is exactly what they want to prevent. You end up >with large customers developing extensions that are impacted by Tivoli >architectural changes that carry a loud voice about making changes that >affect them and thus prevent progress. I am one of them, trust me it >happens. > >This all said. If you can define the requirements that a RDBMS would solve >for you that I have not mentioned, we will carry those requirements forward. > >Paul D. Seay, Jr. >Technical Specialist >Naptheon, INC >757-688-8180 > > >-Original Message- >From: Prather, Wanda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:05 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Recovery Log almost 100% > > > and that is JUST the problem. > >I used to (try to) run an IBM lan management product that used DB/2 as its >database underneath. IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE. > >Every problem we ran into, we got finger pointing - the product people said >they were waiting for DB/2 to to fix the problem, the DB/2 people said they >couldn't fix it because it was a product problem. > >YOU DON"T WANT TO GO THERE! > >CRINGE AND BE AFRAID > >My opinions and nobody else's... >Wanda Prather > > >-Original Message- >From: William F. Colwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:28 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Recovery Log almost 100% > > >Tom, I like the taste of this food for thought! > >I have raised this issue with TSM developers at SHARE and the short summary >of their response is "Cringe". So I don't think it will happen anytime soon >if and most likely it will never happen. I agree with you completely that >it would be a great option for site with large databases. Plus TSM would >have 2 development teams working on the product - the current one plus the >database developers who are always trying to make Oracle, DB2 etc. faster. > >- Bill > > >At 06:20 AM 5/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: >>I wonder, also, if there is still any discussion about supporting the >>use of an alternate RDBMS underneat TSM. It is quite clear that there >>are many more sites with database sizes in the >>25-50GB+ range. Five years ago I felt very lonely with a database >>of this size, but given the discussions on the listserv over the past >>year I feel more comfortable that we are no longer one of the only >>sites supporting TSM instances that large. It has always seemed to me >>that the database functions of TSM have been the most problematic >>(deadlock issues, log full issues, SQL query performance problems, >>complicated and unclear recommendations for physical database layout, >>etc.). All of these problems have been solved by Oracle, DB2, and >>Sybase. Granted there is the issue that plugging in an external >>database adds greatly to the complexity of TSM, and reduces it's "black >>box-ness", but I think the resources are available to administer such a >>beast at the large sites that require very large data
Re: 'q libv' question
Greetings Chuck, Sometimes when we have problems with labels we get tapes marked private. Also we have the rare tape that should have been released back to the scratch pool that just doesn't get updated for some reason after reclamation. I 'q contents' just as a double check that the database really doesn't have anything on the tape, check the database backups to make sure it isn't a mislabeld member of that set, then 'update libvol $lib $tape status=scratch'. - Kai. >Date:Thu, 2 May 2002 16:33:47 -0700 >From:Chuck Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: 'q libv' question > >Hi - List, > >TSM 4.1.4 runs on AIX4.3.3. > >I noticed the following when I do 'q libv' recently: >Three of the tapes were marked 'Private' under STATUS, >but were blank under LAST USE. Usually when a tape is >scratched, the LAST USE then becomes blank. A Private >tapes is associated with DATA under LAST USE. > >I did not know how that came about and how to fix it. >Any suggestions? > >TIA > >
Re: Multimedia environment using ACSLS
I can only use devices defined to a library at a time. This is because I can't define the libraries as shared=yes. Not supported for ACSLS library types. tsm:>upd libr dltlib shared=yes ANR8416E UPDATE LIBRARY: The SHARED parameter is invalid for library type ACSLS. ANS8001I Return code 3. -Original Message- From: Prather, Wanda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 10:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Multimedia environment using ACSLS Can you explain what you mean by "only operate one at a time".. 18 months ago we had 9840's and DLT's in an STK9710 with ACSLS 5.2. No problem just defining two libraries on the same /dev/mchanger address. Wasn't that TSM supported it directly, there just wasn't anything to keep it from working. Did need to define the library as SHARED. We were on TSM 3.7 at the time, though, and the TSM server was AIX. -Original Message- From: Firmes, Stephen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Multimedia environment using ACSLS What I am trying to get working is this: I have an STK L700 lib with approx 384 slots 4 DLT7000 drives 1 STK 9940 drive 1 STK 9840 drive 1 STK 9840B drive I have the following media types: DLTIV - compat with DLT7000 9840 (STK1R) compat with 9840 and 9840B 9940 (STK2R) compat with 9940 drive I have defined 3 libraries within TSM DLTLIB 9940LIB 9840LIB I also have three corresponding device classes: DLT T9940 T9840 The issue that I am having is that the three libraries can only operate one at a time. This is because I can not define the library as SHARED=YES, because that option is only valid for 349X and SCSI. Solaris 8 ACSLS 6.0.1 TSM 4.2.1.9 Thanks for your help. Stephen Firmes TSM Engineer Tivoli Certified TSM Consultant StorageNetworks, Inc Work: 781-622-6287 http://www.storagenetworks.com
Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss
Jim, Here is a couple of paragraphs from our Netware Admin. I agree that the default should be to back up NDS. I don't like the idea of running it on every server--somebody may do backups across WAN links. Making master of root the default is reasonable. Could they implement a "restore" of single leaf objects to a temporary location? Or provide the client with the ability to browse attributes within the backup? Being able to query specific objects would be way kewl. I would agree about default. By default NT registry is backed up, I know there's some slight of hand to do it and restore - but it works. Just exclude NDS then from clients you don't want backing it up. Better to have it backed up several times than not at all. Thanks, David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 Pager 321.634.8230 Fax:321.434.5525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/02/02 04:52PM >>> David, You are correct - NDS not backed-up by default. Question for you - should it be? Some options: 1. backup NDS by default on every server that has a replica stored - this would mean redundant backups and also, as you have pointed out, walking the NDS from all these machines will be a performance concern. At least you would have the NDS backed-up out of the box and could turn off (via DOMAIN) this behavior where it wasn't wanted. 2. backup NDS by default on server with master replica of root partition ( or some other intelligent way of choosing a candidate server). Same as above, maybe this is not the "best" choice in your environment, but it is at least "a" choice and will mean that the NDS is backed-up by a machine by default.. Once again, could change behaviors through DOMAIN option. The scenario we are trying to avoid is having the NetWare admin discover that the NDS is not backed-up by default when it is time for a disaster recovery. I am interested in any ideas you or any other user would have about the TSM NetWare B-A client's default behavior when it comes to the NDS. Thanks, Jim Smith TSM development Yes, you can backup the NDS, but it is not backed up by default! Look in manual uder DOMAIN statement, you have to explicitly specify it. Then look at file Ntwback.htm loaded with yoyu Netware client install under ...Tivoli/Tsm/Client directory. If you have objects spread out over several machines, then I would do the NDS backup from the machien with least data/least busy. The backup of NDS "walks" the tree and gets from all machines. NOTE: License objects cannot be backed up! There is expalnation in documentation. Haven't tried a restore yet. David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 Pager 321.634.8230 Fax:321.434.5525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/02/02 03:19PM >>> I've been asked by our NDS expert, if TSM backs up the netware hidden directory. Apparently it doesn't as I've watched TSM backup the NDS and it backups the individual NDS objects. Has anyone had to do a complete restore of a netware box, including NDS? Did it work, what steps did you take as the backup/archive manual for netware is lacking this kind of information "MMS " made the following annotations on 05/02/02 16:16:14 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. == "MMS " made the following annotations on 05/03/02 13:58:47 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message
Re: number of clients poll
Two SP2 nodes with 100Mb ethernet. About 1000 clients per server. N1 backs up 250-300Mb per night, with a 68Mb DB. N2 backs up 150-200Mb per night, with a 70Mb DB. The 3494 currently holds about 30Tb of data. At 03:05 PM 5/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I'm curious how big some of the TSM servers are out there in terms of how >many clients your TSM server services (backs up) daily and what kind of >network configuration you're using (gigE, etherchannel, etc). e.g I've seen >many environments with 100-150 clients going across 100Mbps or etherchannel >configurations. But in the TSM world how big is *BIG*? > >Gerald Wichmann >Sr. Systems Development Engineer >Zantaz, Inc. >925.598.3099 w >408.836.9062 c
mksysb or sysback to library volume
Hello, Possibly I am imaging this whole thing. However, I believe it is possible to backup the AIX operating system directly to a tape in the Library, not through TSM necessarily. What AIX device would I choose to backup to? rmt0 IBM Magstar MP 3570 Library Tape Drive smc0 IBM Magstar MP 3575 Library Medium Changer rmt1 IBM Magstar MP 3570 Library Tape Drive rmt2 IBM Magstar MP 3570 Library Tape Drive rmt3 IBM Magstar MP 3570 Library Tape Drive What if anything needs to be done to specify the tape cartridge(s) that will be used? If anyone is doing this, a little insight to get me started would be greatly appreciated. TSM version 3.7.2 Operating System: AIX 4.3.3 ML9 Server: IBM 7026-H50 Library: 3575-L32 Thank You, Jon Martin AIX/Tivoli/TSM/SAN Administrator
Re: Archive retention question
Wait a second. So, lets say I set up a management class with the archive copypool set to 5 years and I archive a bunch of files. A couple of years later, legal comes to me and says, "laws have changed, we now need to keep those files for 10 years." I have been under the false impression that I could change the archive copygroup to 10 years, and the currently archived files would hang around for an extra 5 years. This is not so? Hmm, just when I thought I had it figured out... So that means I must retrieve all 3TB of data to somewhere and re-archive it to keep it around for the extra 5 years? Not a pleasant thought. I've always wished that I could change the management class an archive is bound to ~after~ it has been archived. For example, just last week, a DBA archived a dump of a 900GB database, to a 90-day management class instead of a 2 year management. Sure, I can delete the bad archive and have them re-archive it, but tape cycles and bandwidth don't grow on trees Thanks, Ben Bullock Micron Technology Boise, ID -Original Message- From: Jolliff, Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 1:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Archive retention question I found this gem on the ADSM site: "Unlike backups, once a file is archived, its retention is set in stone (you can delete archive files however)." Scenario: Client creates a management class called "3_Month" and sets retention at 90 days. Later they change their mind, and create another management class called "1_Month" and set it to 30 days. All current archives go to "1_Month". They want to ditch as much of the "3_Month" as possible, without getting rid of anything newer than 30 days... Is there any way to accomplish this without deleting individual archives?
Archive retention question
I found this gem on the ADSM site: "Unlike backups, once a file is archived, its retention is set in stone (you can delete archive files however)." Scenario: Client creates a management class called "3_Month" and sets retention at 90 days. Later they change their mind, and create another management class called "1_Month" and set it to 30 days. All current archives go to "1_Month". They want to ditch as much of the "3_Month" as possible, without getting rid of anything newer than 30 days... Is there any way to accomplish this without deleting individual archives?
Re: Archive retention question
I'm pretty sure as long as you just CHANGE the archive group it will change the retention settings. Dale was talking about creating a NEW archive group. If Dale wanted to change the retention value for 3_Month to actually 1 month he would be better of changing the retention value for 3_Month to 1 month rather than create a new group called 1_Month. Creating a new group would do nothing for the existing 3_Month group. I know I changed one of my archive groups from infinite to 1 year and saw tapes start to reclaim... Mark -Original Message- From: bbullock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 3:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Archive retention question Wait a second. So, lets say I set up a management class with the archive copypool set to 5 years and I archive a bunch of files. A couple of years later, legal comes to me and says, "laws have changed, we now need to keep those files for 10 years." I have been under the false impression that I could change the archive copygroup to 10 years, and the currently archived files would hang around for an extra 5 years. This is not so? Hmm, just when I thought I had it figured out... So that means I must retrieve all 3TB of data to somewhere and re-archive it to keep it around for the extra 5 years? Not a pleasant thought. I've always wished that I could change the management class an archive is bound to ~after~ it has been archived. For example, just last week, a DBA archived a dump of a 900GB database, to a 90-day management class instead of a 2 year management. Sure, I can delete the bad archive and have them re-archive it, but tape cycles and bandwidth don't grow on trees Thanks, Ben Bullock Micron Technology Boise, ID -Original Message- From: Jolliff, Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 1:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Archive retention question I found this gem on the ADSM site: "Unlike backups, once a file is archived, its retention is set in stone (you can delete archive files however)." Scenario: Client creates a management class called "3_Month" and sets retention at 90 days. Later they change their mind, and create another management class called "1_Month" and set it to 30 days. All current archives go to "1_Month". They want to ditch as much of the "3_Month" as possible, without getting rid of anything newer than 30 days... Is there any way to accomplish this without deleting individual archives? Confidentiality Note: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to whom or which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please delete this material immediately.
Re: Archive retention question
Thanks Mark, you are right, I kinda misread the scenario. He was saying that he would create new management class. Whew...I could have ~sworn~ I knew how it worked, but this email had me questioning it. You are right, in his situation, it would be easier to change the retention on the existing copygroup, but then the name of the management class would be misleading and he would impact all the data backed up to that management class. For those 2 reasons, we abandoned management classes with retention periods in the name and got more granular to the type of data (i.e. tax_data_mc or rnd_mc), then when tax laws change, we can update the copygroup and it effects all of the correct data. Thanks, Ben -Original Message- From: Remeta, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 1:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Archive retention question I'm pretty sure as long as you just CHANGE the archive group it will change the retention settings. Dale was talking about creating a NEW archive group. If Dale wanted to change the retention value for 3_Month to actually 1 month he would be better of changing the retention value for 3_Month to 1 month rather than create a new group called 1_Month. Creating a new group would do nothing for the existing 3_Month group. I know I changed one of my archive groups from infinite to 1 year and saw tapes start to reclaim... Mark -Original Message- From: bbullock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 3:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Archive retention question Wait a second. So, lets say I set up a management class with the archive copypool set to 5 years and I archive a bunch of files. A couple of years later, legal comes to me and says, "laws have changed, we now need to keep those files for 10 years." I have been under the false impression that I could change the archive copygroup to 10 years, and the currently archived files would hang around for an extra 5 years. This is not so? Hmm, just when I thought I had it figured out... So that means I must retrieve all 3TB of data to somewhere and re-archive it to keep it around for the extra 5 years? Not a pleasant thought. I've always wished that I could change the management class an archive is bound to ~after~ it has been archived. For example, just last week, a DBA archived a dump of a 900GB database, to a 90-day management class instead of a 2 year management. Sure, I can delete the bad archive and have them re-archive it, but tape cycles and bandwidth don't grow on trees Thanks, Ben Bullock Micron Technology Boise, ID -Original Message- From: Jolliff, Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 1:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Archive retention question I found this gem on the ADSM site: "Unlike backups, once a file is archived, its retention is set in stone (you can delete archive files however)." Scenario: Client creates a management class called "3_Month" and sets retention at 90 days. Later they change their mind, and create another management class called "1_Month" and set it to 30 days. All current archives go to "1_Month". They want to ditch as much of the "3_Month" as possible, without getting rid of anything newer than 30 days... Is there any way to accomplish this without deleting individual archives? Confidentiality Note: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to whom or which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please delete this material immediately.
Re: Help Understanding Mgmt classes
Diana, I guess I added to your confusion... I will try to clarify. Your CAN use the policy set "trick" to flip between modified and absolute; that's about the only option that will help for a single-node-name solution. Any other attributes that are changed in the copy-group could adversely affect the desired version count subject to expiration. So, in your example, you could (once a week, when you have the cycles to handle) activate a policy set that sets "absolute" for all nodes in that domain. Then on Monday, re-activate the normal policy set for "modified" incrementals. Assuming you have identical ve/vd/re/ro parameters, with ve/vd both = 30, you will have 30 versions (max) of any given file, for up to re/ro number of days. I hesitate to recommend this approach, because the granularity of control is at the policy domain level. I would (firstly) question why your customer needs to run TSM as if it were Veritas or Legato; full backups this often are unnecessary under TSM, due to its progressive incremental technology. If you must run periodic full backups, I would do it using an alternative node-name... so you don't get hurt trying to complete the backup in a given 24-hour cycle for ALL nodes in the domain (you'd have node-level granularity). Hope this helps. Don - Original Message - From: "Diana Noble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:22 AM Subject: Re: Help Understanding Mgmt classes > Don - > > I think I'm more than a bit confused. So, according to your first paragraph, I > cannot activate a new (different) policy set within a domain and expect that my > files will then be backed up according to the mgmtclass specifications in in > the new policy set? > > So what is the best way to swap back and forth between absolute and modified > backups, keeping a retention of 30 versions combined. Would it be best to > modifiy my existing management class backup copygroup to absolute or modified > depending on what should be done that day, leaving the version count the same? > If I change it to absolute, what does that do the modified backups already > taken, anything? > > Thank you for your help. > > Diana > > > > Quoting "Don France (TSMnews)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > You are abit confused. The *ONLY* way to have TWO policies applicable to a > > given file is to use TWO node-names for your backups; swapping policy sets > > *may* work for your situation, if what you want (and set) is 30 versions of > > a given file... that piece will work. > > > > Files can be bound only to one management class at a time; if you try > > changing MC for the file, it will change ALL versions to that MC, not just > > the next backup. The policyset-swap trick is useful when changing from > > modified to absolute and back; that's about the only use I've ever seen > > for > > multiple policy sets. Hope this helps. > > > > Regards, > > Don > > > > Don France > > Technical Architect - Tivoli Certified Consultant > > Professional Association of Contract Employees (P.A.C.E.) > > San Jose, CA > > (408) 257-3037 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Diana Noble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:13 AM > > Subject: Help Understanding Mgmt classes > > > > > > > Hi All - > > > > > > I believe I have my management classes all defined with a major flaw. We > > > do scheduled modified backups during the week and scheduled absolute > > > backups on Sundays. I have two management classes defined. Both have > > the > > > same retentions coded but one has "absolute" for the copy mode and one > > has > > > "modified" coded. I have a script that swaps the default management > > class > > > on Sundays. After rereading the manual and looking at the archives of > > this > > > list, it seems there's no guarantee that the backup will use the default > > > Management class. Also, if I've specified to keep 30 versions of the > > data > > > in both management classes, does that mean I'm going to retain 30 > > versions > > > from the "absolute" and 30 versions of the "modified"? I really want 30 > > > versions all together. > > > > > > My thought is to create multiply policy sets, and activate the policy set > > > that contains only the management class I want. I would then specify a > > > retention of 4 versions for my policy set that contains the management > > > class for "absolute". This won't delete any of my 30 versions that were > > > saved using the policy set that contains the "modified" management class, > > > will it? Does this make sense, or am I still way off here? > > > > > > Diana > >
Re: dsadmc -consolemode
Probably not... however, if you are using AIX, you could run the dsmulog daemon to capture the console log to a file (much like the old SYSLOG feature on MVS), then you could "monitor" that file with "more" or "tail". See the AIX Admin Guide for details. Don France Technical Architect - Tivoli Certified Consultant Professional Association of Contract Employees (P.A.C.E.) San Jose, CA (408) 257-3037 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Gerald Wichmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:26 PM Subject: dsadmc -consolemode > Normally running dsmadmc -consolemode doesn't display any date/time stamp > with each message. Is it possible to make it do so such as what gets > displayed when you do a "q act"? I don't see anything in the guide so as far > as I can tell no.. > > Gerald Wichmann > Sr. Systems Development Engineer > Zantaz, Inc. > 925.598.3099 w > 408.836.9062 c >
Re: Help Understanding Mgmt classes
Michael, The rules I described apply universally to backup objects with the same name owned by a given node in backup storage. With TDP products, in some cases, the backup objects are given different, unique names every time a backup occurs -- you must review the Install & User's Guide for the TDP you are using. For example, TDP v1 for Exchange creates unique names for every backup, so retention/expiration must be done manually; in v2 of this TDP, objects stored in backup storage are given the same name, so their retention/expiration becomes "automated" like for files backed up by the b/a-client -- and the management class rules, as I described, will apply. Hope this helps. - Original Message - From: "Regelin Michael (CHA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Help Understanding Mgmt classes Hi Don, I'm not sure to understand your answer. By the way, thanks for your answer. I'm interested in this mailing and was not the originator. Our Backup solution is based on tdp for domino 1.1.2. Our tsm client is 4.2.1.20 based on Windows Nt4 server. here is our strategy: a full backup a week - keeping 5 version (management class=week) a full backup a month - keeping 13 version (management class=month) an incremental version a day - keeping 5 version (management class=daily) after reading your mail, I understand that having 3 MC for the same file will cause the retention to change after every backup when the MC is used. So for example: when week backup is finished, it will apply the MC for the file and when month backup is finished, it will change all retention on every file base on the new MC ? thanks Mike > ___ > Michael REGELIN > Inginieur Informatique - O.S.O. > Groupware & Messagerie > Centre des Technologies de l'Information (CTI) > Route des Acacias 82 > CP149 - 1211 Genhve 8 > Til. + 41 22 3274322 - Fax + 41 22 3275499 > Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://intraCTI.etat-ge.ch/services_complementaires/messagerie.html > __ > -Message d'origine- De : Don France (TSMnews) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyi : vendredi, 3. mai 2002 03:39 @ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: Help Understanding Mgmt classes You are abit confused. The *ONLY* way to have TWO policies applicable to a given file is to use TWO node-names for your backups; swapping policy sets *may* work for your situation, if what you want (and set) is 30 versions of a given file... that piece will work. Files can be bound only to one management class at a time; if you try changing MC for the file, it will change ALL versions to that MC, not just the next backup. The policyset-swap trick is useful when changing from modified to absolute and back; that's about the only use I've ever seen for multiple policy sets. Hope this helps. Regards, Don Don France Technical Architect - Tivoli Certified Consultant Professional Association of Contract Employees (P.A.C.E.) San Jose, CA (408) 257-3037 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Diana Noble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Help Understanding Mgmt classes > Hi All - > > I believe I have my management classes all defined with a major flaw. We > do scheduled modified backups during the week and scheduled absolute > backups on Sundays. I have two management classes defined. Both have the > same retentions coded but one has "absolute" for the copy mode and one has > "modified" coded. I have a script that swaps the default management class > on Sundays. After rereading the manual and looking at the archives of this > list, it seems there's no guarantee that the backup will use the default > Management class. Also, if I've specified to keep 30 versions of the data > in both management classes, does that mean I'm going to retain 30 versions > from the "absolute" and 30 versions of the "modified"? I really want 30 > versions all together. > > My thought is to create multiply policy sets, and activate the policy set > that contains only the management class I want. I would then specify a > retention of 4 versions for my policy set that contains the management > class for "absolute". This won't delete any of my 30 versions that were > saved using the policy set that contains the "modified" management class, > will it? Does this make sense, or am I still way off here? > > Diana
Re: TSM 4.2 differences
Nice catch, Bill! - Original Message - From: "Bill Mansfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:03 AM Subject: Re: TSM 4.2 differences > How about the TSM 4.2 Technical Guide Redbook SG24-6277? Not powerpoint, I know... > > > > _ > William Mansfield > Senior Consultant > Solution Technology, Inc > > > > > > "Don France (TSMnews)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 05/02/2002 02:54 PM > Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cc: > Subject:Re: TSM 4.2 differences > > > Nope... I do have hardcopy (from SHARE); you might find what you want in > the books --- there's a good "summary of changes" in the preface of the > Admin. Guide, Using xxx Clients, and Admin. Ref. > > Don France > Technical Architect - Tivoli Certified Consultant > > Professional Association of Contract Employees (P.A.C.E.) > San Jose, CA > (408) 257-3037 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - Original Message - > From: "Gerald Wichmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:39 AM > Subject: TSM 4.2 differences > > > > Does anyone have the TSM 4.2 differences powerpoint presentation on what > > changed from 4.1 to 4.2? Or could point me in the proper place to look > that > > up. Thanks > > > > Gerald Wichmann > > Sr. Systems Development Engineer > > Zantaz, Inc. > > 925.598.3099 w > > 408.836.9062 c > >
Re: Management Class problem
This is documented in the Admin Guide about directories stored in backup storage (and numerous APAR's to "fix" over the years since v1). When directory information is stored for backups, TSM attempts to keep all the info in the TSM database; if there is more data than the data base can hold (due to long path names and/or ACL's), it uses backup storage so must choose a management class -- TSM chooses the management class will longest retention (maybe the default, maybe not), to ensure any data that must be restored can also recover its associated directory. Ed stated the rule much more succinctly. Hope this helps. Don Don France Technical Architect - Tivoli Certified Consultant Professional Association of Contract Employees (P.A.C.E.) San Jose, CA (408) 257-3037 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Wholey, Joseph (TGA\MLOL)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:46 AM Subject: Re: Management Class problem > Can someone clarify Edgardo's response. Particularly, "when you set up "NTWCLASS" with a higher retention number of versions". Higher than what? Is this by design? I also have ONLY directory > structures going to mgmtclasses that I would not suspect. thx. -joe- > > -Original Message- > From: Edgardo Moso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:37 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Management Class problem > > > That happens when you set up "NTWCLASS" with higher retention number of > days or versions. The directory backup goes to the > mgt classs with the highest retention. Ours, we specified the directory > backup by using DIRMC "mgt classs". > > > > > > From: David Longo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 04/26/2002 11:59 AM > > Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cc: > Subject: Management Class problem > > I have TSM server 4.2.1.10 on AIX 4.3.3 ML09. I have AIX clients TSM > 4.2.1.23 and NT clients 4.2.1.20. This is a new setup, has been running > a few months. I just noticed that "some" of the data from these clients > is being bound to mgt class "NTWCLASS" and not to the default Class. > > I double checked the ACTIVE management class and backup copy groups. > The "DEFAULTCLASS" is the default and NTWCLASS is not. (I have > setup NTWCLASS, but not using it yet - or I thought not!!). I do not have > ANY > CLIENTOPSETS defined. I do not have these copygroups using each > other as "NEXT". I checked the dsm.opt and dsm.sys and backup.excl > files and I am not using this class. Using default or other special > classes. > > Notice I said "some" of the data is going to wrong class, some of it is > going > to correct class. It is not clear on the data as to the pattern of what's > going > to wrong place. > > This data should all be bound to "default". Whats's the deal? > > > > David B. Longo > System Administrator > Health First, Inc. > 3300 Fiske Blvd. > Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 > PH 321.434.5536 > Pager 321.634.8230 > Fax:321.434.5525 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: Management Class problem
Check max(retonly), i.e. look at the output of "q copy active" (I still prefer command line, as per Andy Raibeck it is your friend :-) The class with highest "Retain Only Version" value is the directory class in absence of DIRMC. If you define new class with higher RETOnly value on next backup directories will be re-bound (again if there is no DIRMC). Zlatko Krastev IT Consultant Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by:"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Management Class problem ... and check up what? -Original Message- From: PINNI, BALANAND (SBCSI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Management Class problem Go to GUI mode and check up. -Original Message- From: Wholey, Joseph (TGA\MLOL) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Management Class problem Can someone clarify Edgardo's response. Particularly, "when you set up "NTWCLASS" with a higher retention number of versions". Higher than what? Is this by design? I also have ONLY directory structures going to mgmtclasses that I would not suspect. thx. -joe- -Original Message- From: Edgardo Moso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Management Class problem That happens when you set up "NTWCLASS" with higher retention number of days or versions. The directory backup goes to the mgt classs with the highest retention. Ours, we specified the directory backup by using DIRMC "mgt classs". From: David Longo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 04/26/2002 11:59 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Management Class problem I have TSM server 4.2.1.10 on AIX 4.3.3 ML09. I have AIX clients TSM 4.2.1.23 and NT clients 4.2.1.20. This is a new setup, has been running a few months. I just noticed that "some" of the data from these clients is being bound to mgt class "NTWCLASS" and not to the default Class. I double checked the ACTIVE management class and backup copy groups. The "DEFAULTCLASS" is the default and NTWCLASS is not. (I have setup NTWCLASS, but not using it yet - or I thought not!!). I do not have ANY CLIENTOPSETS defined. I do not have these copygroups using each other as "NEXT". I checked the dsm.opt and dsm.sys and backup.excl files and I am not using this class. Using default or other special classes. Notice I said "some" of the data is going to wrong class, some of it is going to correct class. It is not clear on the data as to the pattern of what's going to wrong place. This data should all be bound to "default". Whats's the deal? David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 Pager 321.634.8230 Fax:321.434.5525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "MMS " made the following annotations on 04/26/02 12:13:55 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. ==
Re: mksysb or sysback to library volume
Try using tapeutil (or some 3575 library tool, like mtlib on 3494) to mount a tape in a given drive -- you must choose a scratch tape and ensure TSM is not using the drive; then, issue (1) make drive "offline" to TSM, (2) the cmd to mount the tape, (3) the cmd to mksysb to that device, then (4) the cmd to dismount the tape... then, manually remove the tape from the library (else it's still in TSM's inventory and could get used unless you also mark it "private".) Since sys. admin. time is more expensive than operator time, we usually specify the AIX box to have internal 4mm tape drive, so we script the mksysb to that drive, daily; operators rotate the tapes, report any visual problems (if the script fails, the tape is not ejected), the script logs are used for admin. verification. Regards, Don Don France Technical Architect - Tivoli Certified Consultant Professional Association of Contract Employees (P.A.C.E.) San Jose, CA (408) 257-3037 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Martin, Jon R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: mksysb or sysback to library volume > Hello, > > Possibly I am imaging this whole thing. However, I believe it is > possible to backup the AIX operating system directly to a tape in the > Library, not through TSM necessarily. > > What AIX device would I choose to backup to? > rmt0 IBM Magstar MP 3570 Library Tape Drive > smc0 IBM Magstar MP 3575 Library Medium Changer > rmt1 IBM Magstar MP 3570 Library Tape Drive > rmt2 IBM Magstar MP 3570 Library Tape Drive > rmt3 IBM Magstar MP 3570 Library Tape Drive > > What if anything needs to be done to specify the tape cartridge(s) that will > be used? > > If anyone is doing this, a little insight to get me started would be greatly > appreciated. > > TSM version 3.7.2 > Operating System: AIX 4.3.3 ML9 > Server: IBM 7026-H50 > Library: 3575-L32 > > Thank You, > Jon Martin > AIX/Tivoli/TSM/SAN Administrator
Re: Help Understanding Mgmt classes
Diana, The only "major flaw" I see is your intention to use "absolute". This is against the TSM backup ideology. I am interested what is the business reason to go this way. The rest is "as designed" but I personally am not happy with your design. If you change default class (be it through setting another one as default or by activating another policy set), on next backup all files will be re-bound to that class. But if in the new policyset you set retextra=4 on next expiration 26 versions would be deleted. Having two mgmt classes differing only by mode will not give you two times 30 versions. The number of versions kept will be min(30,30) - again 30. Do not overcomplicate your policy. Create one class (or more) and use it. If you still want to have "full" backup on Sundays - I would use selective backup in Sunday's schedule and leave policy/classes unchanged. Again - is there actual need to resend all the data over the LAN? It is on the server already. Lets manage it better. If you can define the requirements in *business* terms only and prevent full/incremental/differential ideology to predefine the solution - this list can help you. TSM is very different from other backup products. And sometimes its "traditional" usage looks to me as driving a jet fighter on a highway with 100 km/h instead of flying with 1500 km/h over shorter route. Zlatko Krastev IT Consultant Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by:"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Help Understanding Mgmt classes Hi All - I believe I have my management classes all defined with a major flaw. We do scheduled modified backups during the week and scheduled absolute backups on Sundays. I have two management classes defined. Both have the same retentions coded but one has "absolute" for the copy mode and one has "modified" coded. I have a script that swaps the default management class on Sundays. After rereading the manual and looking at the archives of this list, it seems there's no guarantee that the backup will use the default Management class. Also, if I've specified to keep 30 versions of the data in both management classes, does that mean I'm going to retain 30 versions from the "absolute" and 30 versions of the "modified"? I really want 30 versions all together. My thought is to create multiply policy sets, and activate the policy set that contains only the management class I want. I would then specify a retention of 4 versions for my policy set that contains the management class for "absolute". This won't delete any of my 30 versions that were saved using the policy set that contains the "modified" management class, will it? Does this make sense, or am I still way off here? Diana
