Re: NDMP

2006-10-10 Thread Bob Booth
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 12:31:52PM -1000, Aaron Becar wrote:
> Sunmansun,
>
> Hey we just received word that Mirapoint does not support a fiber
> attached drive.  So my question for you, is how are you doing it?  Do
> you have a separate library connected to the Mirapoint server via the
> SCSI (LVD) port?  What kind of infrastructure do you have setup to make
> this successful?

For the record, here is what we ended up doing.

We have a HP EVA 9K that we use for the storage of 6 Mirapoint boxen.

We start by making a snapshot of the mirapoint storage LU, then present that
to a backup 'frontend'.  The frontend mounts that LU.  Using the TSM image
backup client, we then backup the image to TSM.  During the day, we make
offsite copies per TSM normal processing.

With Mirapoint M5K's and SAN storage, individual mailbox restores that you
might have had with NDMP and TOC support are gone.

Since we have promised through legacy service levels to provide mail folder
restores to our customers up to seven days past, we have a spare M5K that
allows us to restore an image from any one of the servers, then to an IMAP
copy of the mailbox to the production server.

For tape device, we are using our 3494 tape library with the new 3592 E05
drives, which totally rock IMHO.

Caveats:

Mirapoint engineering is working on a patch to allow the growth of a LU from
your original defined size to the max size supported.

M5K's have a max LU size of 1TB, there are some other limitations, but
I forget what they are.

There is only one OS that will allow you to 'mount' the snapshot from the
Mirapoint box .. FreeBSD.  You can run the TSM image client in Linux compat
mode, and it works fine.  It may look messy, but it works fine for us at the
moment, and we have inhouse support for FreeBSD.  You can't do anything other
than read the LU from the frontend, since the FreeBSD da driver knows that
something is wrong with the label and the superblock of the disk.  Mirapoint
runs with a customized BSD filesystem.

We had to write a few scripts that create the snaps, to the presentation of
the lu to the frontend, then fire off a backup.  The script(s) is run through
the TSM scheduler.

You may be able to pull the mounting of of the Mirapoint disk on Solaris, or
AIX, if you use some type of generic driver.  Our attempts failed, since the
drivers are too picky at how the partition structure is to deal with it.  We
found that you may be able to 'see' the device, but just not be able to do
anything with it.

We run the backups directly to tape, since it would be to wasteful to go
to disk yet again, and like I said the drives are smoking, so we can stream
to them at better than disk speed, and get very good compression.  I have
almost 2.5TB on some of the tapes.  This beats the price of disk hands down,
and the ROI/TCO is lower.

We like not having to deal with NDMP any more, and use native TSM processing
to work with the Mirapoint storage.  We have tested restores from active
processing, and they work ok for now.  Some tell us because of the nature
of Mirapoint operations, and 'snapshots' that we may be rolling the dice when
it comes to a consistent restore, but we don't have any alternatives that
meet our budget, and offsite requirements except for this.

Happy hunting, and I hope this helps people out there.  Contact me offline
if you have any additional questions, or need further details.

Bob Booth
UIUC/CITES


Re: NDMP

2006-10-10 Thread Aaron Becar

Sunmansun,

Hey we just received word that Mirapoint does not support a fiber
attached drive.  So my question for you, is how are you doing it?  Do
you have a separate library connected to the Mirapoint server via the
SCSI (LVD) port?  What kind of infrastructure do you have setup to make
this successful?

Thanks!

Aaron

Thanks!

Aaron

John Black wrote:

I have successfully backed up Mirapoint with TSM. More specifically,
what do
you want to know?
Awaiting your reply.

--Sunmansun


On 10/9/06, Aaron Becar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have been reading some past archives about NDMP, and even more
specifically, Mirapoint backups.  I was wondering if anyone has a
similar  configuration with TSM and  Mirapoint.  We are just checking to
make sure we have a supported configuration, and if anyone has
successfully backed up Mirapoint use TSM.

TSM 5.3.3 RHEL4 on IBM x346
Fiber connected IBM 3583 w/ 3 LTO2 drives

Aaron





Re: Highest session number

2006-10-10 Thread Stephen Mackereth
Its probably not the highest
3,375,434
Server restart 08/08/2006

Regards,
Stephen.

-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Gerald Michalak
Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 06:04
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: [ADSM-L] Highest session number

I've had a TSM server running for a while, the last session number I saw
was:

1,385,881

What's the highest this will go before crashing the server?


Gerald Michalak
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: NDMP

2006-10-10 Thread John Black

I have successfully backed up Mirapoint with TSM. More specifically, what do
you want to know?
Awaiting your reply.

--Sunmansun


On 10/9/06, Aaron Becar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have been reading some past archives about NDMP, and even more
specifically, Mirapoint backups.  I was wondering if anyone has a
similar  configuration with TSM and  Mirapoint.  We are just checking to
make sure we have a supported configuration, and if anyone has
successfully backed up Mirapoint use TSM.

TSM 5.3.3 RHEL4 on IBM x346
Fiber connected IBM 3583 w/ 3 LTO2 drives

Aaron



tsm not recognizing tape unit

2006-10-10 Thread Mario Behring
Hi list,

I have the following environment:

TSM 5.3.2 Server running on a W2K box 
IBM ULTRIUM III LTO 3580 connected via SCSI

I´ve installed the windows certified driver downloaded from the 
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/devdrvr/Windows/Win2000/Latest/ and 
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/devdrvr/Windows/Win2000/LTO_WHQL_Cert.I´ve
 tried both versions...looks like that only the certified one 
works.the install output is below:

Running installation application, version 6.1.3.5.
Preparing system for driver installation...
Uninstalling existing tape drives...
Existing tape drives successfully uninstalled.
Installing/updating the tape bus enumerator...
Successfully installed/updated the tape bus enumerator.
Installing driver for tape drives...
Driver for tape drives installed.

Program successful.


I´ve also disabled the Windows Removable Storage service.

Unfortunatelly TSM does not recognize the tape unit. I´ve tried this with and 
without the TSM Device Driver. Looks like TSM Device Driver does not support 
the IBM LTO Ultrium tape unitsThe output from the tsmdlst 
command is as follows:

>tsmdlst

Tivoli Storage Manager -- Device List Utility

Licensed Materials - Property of IBM

5697-TSM (C) Copyright IBM Corporation 2000, 2005. All rights reserved.
U.S. Government Users Restricted Rights - Use, duplication or disclosure
restricted by GSA ADP Schedule Contract with IBM Corporation.

Computer Name:  TIVOLI
OS Version: 5.0
OS Build #: 2195
TSM Device Driver:  ADSMScsi - Not Running

No HBAs were detected.
Reason: Unable to load HBA vendor library.

TSM Name ID   LUN  Bus  Port SSNWWN   TSM Type  Device 
Identifier


mt6.0.0.26002-  - LTO   IBM 
ULT3580-T
D3 57F7

Completed in: 0 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes, 1 seconds.



I am not sure about what´s going on..any help is appreciated.

Thanks

Mario






Highest session number

2006-10-10 Thread Gerald Michalak
I've had a TSM server running for a while, the last session number I saw
was:

1,385,881

What's the highest this will go before crashing the server?


Gerald Michalak
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Backup ending script

2006-10-10 Thread Timothy Hughes

Hello,

I have been working on a script to show what time our last backups end
(specifically
what time the last backup end). Does anyone have a script that I can
compare to which
might help?



TSM 5.3
AIX 5.3

Thanks in advance!


Re: clean DB TSM

2006-10-10 Thread Richard Sims

On Oct 10, 2006, at 1:12 PM, yazoo PL wrote:


How I can clean or optimize my base TSM,Thanks


Go to the TSM Support Page,
 http://www.ibm.com/software/sysmgmt/products/support/
IBMTivoliStorageManager.html

and search on: Performance Tuning Guide

where you will find  Performance Tuning to the TSM Server

and a release-versionedIBM Tivoli Storage Manager Performance
Tuning Guide

Where realistic, apply the latest formal maintenance to assure having
known performance-robbing problems corrected.

Richard Sims


clean DB TSM

2006-10-10 Thread yazoo PL

How I can clean or optimize my base TSM,Thanks

Sławek 


Re: TSM Device driver is not starting

2006-10-10 Thread Mario Behring
Leigh,

The driver installed is the "IBM ULTRIUM III 3580 TAPE DRIVE (for Tivoli 
Storage Manager)". Should I uninstall the TSM Device Driver then ??

Thanks.

Mario

- Original Message 
From: Leigh Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:31:10 PM
Subject: Re: TSM Device driver is not starting

Mario

You don't mention whether you have already loaded the correct IBM device
drivers for LTO3's through Windows device manager, but the below might
be of assistance.

The way in which the Windows TSM device driver works changed at V5.2.
See serwinref.pdf

IBM Device Driver for 3570, 3590, and IBM LTO Devices Important: If you
currently use 3570, 3590, or IBM LTO devices, you will need to install
the IBMTape driver that supports your device. The Tivoli Storage Manager
Device Driver will no longer recognize these devices. See the
Administrator's Guide for more information and instructions on how to
download the drivers and Installation and User Guides.


If You need the specific IBM Tape device drivers for Ultrium drives.
You can download them from

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/devdrvr/

Leigh



-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Mario Behring
Sent: 10 October 2006 16:54
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: [SPAM: 14.000] [ADSM-L] TSM Device driver is not starting

Hi list,

I have a TSM 5.3.2 Server running on a W2K SP4 with a IBM Ultrium LTO
III 3580 connected via SCSI interface. The TSM Device Driver service
does not start and I get the following error:

"The system could not find the device specified"

Please advise.

Thanks

Mario









Re: TSM Device driver is not starting

2006-10-10 Thread Leigh Reed
Mario

You don't mention whether you have already loaded the correct IBM device
drivers for LTO3's through Windows device manager, but the below might
be of assistance.

The way in which the Windows TSM device driver works changed at V5.2.
See serwinref.pdf

IBM Device Driver for 3570, 3590, and IBM LTO Devices Important: If you
currently use 3570, 3590, or IBM LTO devices, you will need to install
the IBMTape driver that supports your device. The Tivoli Storage Manager
Device Driver will no longer recognize these devices. See the
Administrator's Guide for more information and instructions on how to
download the drivers and Installation and User Guides.


If You need the specific IBM Tape device drivers for Ultrium drives.
You can download them from

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/devdrvr/

Leigh



-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Mario Behring
Sent: 10 October 2006 16:54
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: [SPAM: 14.000] [ADSM-L] TSM Device driver is not starting

Hi list,

I have a TSM 5.3.2 Server running on a W2K SP4 with a IBM Ultrium LTO
III 3580 connected via SCSI interface. The TSM Device Driver service
does not start and I get the following error:

"The system could not find the device specified"

Please advise.

Thanks

Mario


Re: TSM Device driver is not starting

2006-10-10 Thread William Boyer
'Cause the TSM device driver is for non-IBM devices. You have an IBM Ultrium3 
drive and should load the IBMtape driver. The latest
can be found here:

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/devdrvr/Windows/Win2003/Latest/

Bill Boyer

-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard 
Sims
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 12:06 PM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: TSM Device driver is not starting

On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:53 AM, Mario Behring wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> I have a TSM 5.3.2 Server running on a W2K SP4 with a IBM Ultrium LTO
> III 3580 connected via SCSI interface. The TSM Device Driver service
> does not start and I get the following error:
>
> "The system could not find the device specified"
>
> Please advise.

See  http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/247863.htm
for a prominent cause of that kind of error.
As always, assure full functionality at the OS level before trying to use any 
device under an application such as TSM.

 Richard Sims


which ebook

2006-10-10 Thread yazoo PL

Hi

I have questions,which ebook you can recommend relating
TSM 5.3 Administration and Instalation ,
Service of libraries IBM 3584
I thank for answer

Sławek 


Re: TSM Device driver is not starting

2006-10-10 Thread Richard Sims

On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:53 AM, Mario Behring wrote:


Hi list,

I have a TSM 5.3.2 Server running on a W2K SP4 with a IBM Ultrium
LTO III 3580 connected via SCSI interface. The TSM Device Driver
service does not start and I get the following error:

"The system could not find the device specified"

Please advise.


See  http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/247863.htm
for a prominent cause of that kind of error.
As always, assure full functionality at the OS level before trying to
use any device under an application such as TSM.

Richard Sims


TSM Device driver is not starting

2006-10-10 Thread Mario Behring
Hi list,

I have a TSM 5.3.2 Server running on a W2K SP4 with a IBM Ultrium LTO III 3580 
connected via SCSI interface. The TSM Device Driver service does not start and 
I get the following error:

"The system could not find the device specified"

Please advise.

Thanks

Mario






Re: Windows 2003 Encryption

2006-10-10 Thread Roger Silva
Thanks Andy,

From what I understand, you cannot encrypt the systemobjects which would
include the registry, is this the case and if so, is there a way around
this in order to secure that your registry is not sent across the wire
un-encrytpted when you are not using a VPN tunnel or encryption over the
wire?

Should I uncheck "backup the registry" in the GUI.

Thanks


On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, Andrew Raibeck wrote:

> No, you cannot just export/import the registry key.
>
> See the README file for the 5.3.4.x clients and look for the bullet titled
> "ENCRYPTKEY SAVE requirements". Also look up APAR IC48782.
>
> Regards,
>
> Andy
>
> Andy Raibeck
> IBM Software Group
> Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
> Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> IBM Tivoli Storage Manager support web page:
> http://www.ibm.com/software/sysmgmt/products/support/IBMTivoliStorageManager.html
>
> The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
> The command line is your friend.
> "Good enough" is the enemy of excellence.
>
> "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"  wrote on 10/08/2006
> 08:44:35 PM:
>
> > Thank you for the info.  I'll look into the MS regedit for
> > exporting/importing and see if the client wants to do this or if they
> > will just keep the password phrase used somewhere and just use that if
> > need be.
> >
> >
> >
> > TSM_User wrote:
> >
> > > To your question you only need the value you typed to generate the
> > key the first time. You will be prompted to type it again and it
> > will then encrypt the key again and store it in the registry.
> > >
> > >   Entries in the registry can be exported and then imported on
> > another server. Exporting the keys from the registry using the MS's
> > regedit on one system and then importing them somewhere else may
> > work but I think Andy may need to chime in on that.
> > >
> > > Roger Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >   Hi,
> > >
> > > My client has asked me if there is a way to export the EncryptKey but
> I
> > > have not found any documention talking about this. The reason for this
> > > I assume would be in case of a system crash. I know the EncryptKey is
> > > kept on both the client side in the registry and I believe on the
> server
> > > side as well. If the system was to crash, do you still only need the
> > > Encryption Password to restore the data? Would this be just as if you
> > > did not use the "SAVE" option and instead you used the "PROMPT"
> option?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks again for your info.
> > >
> > > Roger
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.
> > Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
> > >
>
>


Re: Windows 2003 Encryption

2006-10-10 Thread Andrew Raibeck
No, you cannot just export/import the registry key.

See the README file for the 5.3.4.x clients and look for the bullet titled 
"ENCRYPTKEY SAVE requirements". Also look up APAR IC48782.

Regards,

Andy

Andy Raibeck
IBM Software Group
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

IBM Tivoli Storage Manager support web page: 
http://www.ibm.com/software/sysmgmt/products/support/IBMTivoliStorageManager.html

The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
The command line is your friend.
"Good enough" is the enemy of excellence.

"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"  wrote on 10/08/2006 
08:44:35 PM:

> Thank you for the info.  I'll look into the MS regedit for 
> exporting/importing and see if the client wants to do this or if they 
> will just keep the password phrase used somewhere and just use that if 
> need be.
> 
> 
> 
> TSM_User wrote:
> 
> > To your question you only need the value you typed to generate the
> key the first time. You will be prompted to type it again and it 
> will then encrypt the key again and store it in the registry.
> > 
> >   Entries in the registry can be exported and then imported on 
> another server. Exporting the keys from the registry using the MS's 
> regedit on one system and then importing them somewhere else may 
> work but I think Andy may need to chime in on that.
> > 
> > Roger Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >   Hi,
> > 
> > My client has asked me if there is a way to export the EncryptKey but 
I
> > have not found any documention talking about this. The reason for this
> > I assume would be in case of a system crash. I know the EncryptKey is
> > kept on both the client side in the registry and I believe on the 
server
> > side as well. If the system was to crash, do you still only need the
> > Encryption Password to restore the data? Would this be just as if you
> > did not use the "SAVE" option and instead you used the "PROMPT" 
option?
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks again for your info.
> > 
> > Roger
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -
> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. 
> Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
> > 


Re: Missing Volume

2006-10-10 Thread Richard Sims

On Oct 10, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Hans-Dieter Kutz wrote:


Hello List,
my TS3310 Library misses a Volume (audit libr found out).
Is it possible to search for lost Volumes in the Library?
Tried tapeutil -f /dev/smc0 inventory, but that doesn't help.
There is no Volume in Bulk-Loader. Nobody checks out Volumes and
the library is
in the same config as it was on installation day (with 80 Volumes;
2 Cleaning
Volumes).
Any Ideas?


We don't know what "doesn't help" means in your scenario: does it
fail to display the library inventory or is the subject volume not
reflected in the output?

I'm not a TS3310 customer, but that library has both a Control Panel
and a Web User Interface.  Do either of those present the opportunity
to review the physical cartridge inventory or search for a specific
cartridge?  If not, you may need to have a set of eyes take a look at
what's in there.

   Richard Sims


Re: Missing Volume

2006-10-10 Thread Hans-Dieter Kutz
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 12:34:38PM +0200, Bos, Karel wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would try to use the application and its commands rather than an
> external command like tapeutil.
>
> Checkin libv search=yes stat=scratch/private
>
> Use help checkin libv for the full syntax.
Did that, no found volumes.

Cheers,
ku
--
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi:
The Force will be with you, always.


Re: Missing Volume

2006-10-10 Thread Bos, Karel
Hi,

I would try to use the application and its commands rather than an
external command like tapeutil.

Checkin libv search=yes stat=scratch/private 

Use help checkin libv for the full syntax.

Regards,

Karel

-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Hans-Dieter Kutz
Sent: dinsdag 10 oktober 2006 12:29
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Missing Volume

Hello List,
my TS3310 Library misses a Volume (audit libr found out).
Is it possible to search for lost Volumes in the Library?
Tried tapeutil -f /dev/smc0 inventory, but that doesn't help.
There is no Volume in Bulk-Loader. Nobody checks out Volumes and the
library is in the same config as it was on installation day (with 80
Volumes; 2 Cleaning Volumes).
Any Ideas?
ku
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Missing Volume

2006-10-10 Thread Hans-Dieter Kutz
Hello List,
my TS3310 Library misses a Volume (audit libr found out).
Is it possible to search for lost Volumes in the Library?
Tried tapeutil -f /dev/smc0 inventory, but that doesn't help.
There is no Volume in Bulk-Loader. Nobody checks out Volumes and the library is
in the same config as it was on installation day (with 80 Volumes; 2 Cleaning
Volumes).
Any Ideas?
ku
--
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When nine hundred years old you reach, look as
good you will not. Hmm?


Re: TSM Server Disk Upgrade

2006-10-10 Thread Leigh Reed
Bill,

For primary disk STGPOOLS that do not have caching turned on, I would
update all the volumes to be read-only, make sure that a backup to
copypool has completed and then migrate them down to zero. You can query
the content of the volumes afterwards to be doubly sure that they are
empty. You can then delete the volumes and redefine them as necessary
after your disk upgrade/reorg. If by any chance there is data on them,
TSM will tell you.

If you have any dirs diskpools that are on areas of disk that will be
affected by your reorg/upgrade, I would define new volume(s) that are
possibly on local disk/disk unaffected, then mark the vols read-only and
perform a move data.

For any primary disk stgpools that have caching turned on; if memory
serves me correctly the best way to empty them out, is with a move data
to the next stg pool (tape pool). Again, mark all the volumes read-only
to ensure no new data can be written to them. No data will be moved, but
the cached copies will be purged.

>From help move data
"When you move files from a random access volume, the server erases any
cached copies of files on the volume."

For the db & log volumes;
If you have enough disk spare that will not be affected by your upgrade
(ie local disk), you could define db copy volumes on this disk and TSM
will synchronise them. This process does take time and you will most
certainly experience a performance degradation, but it will ensure TSM
stays operational during the disk upgrade. When the sync is complete,
you can delete the old volumes. This may not help you reorganise your DB
vols, as the db copy vols have to be at least the same size as the
originals. When your disk upgrade is finished you can perform the
process again and define db copy volumes and sync back.

As always with this type of work, I would ensure that at least one good
DB backup is performed before commencing the process.


Leigh


-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Bill Dourado
Sent: 10 October 2006 09:58
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: [SPAM: 4.000] [ADSM-L] TSM Server Disk Upgrade

Hello,

We are planning a disk upgrade mainly to increase the number and size of
DISKPOOLS.
The upgrade will be carried out by one our Server Administrators; my
question is
a disk upgrade on a  TSM Server different from that of an ordinary
server
?
OR
Will we have to treat the database, logs and diskpools in a special
manner?

Would disabling caching on the diskpools speed up copying/ghosting , is
there
a way of making sure the caches are purged ?

Any other advice on achieving s successful disk upgrade on a TSM server
would be appreciated.

TSM Server for Windows 5.2.0.0

 Thanks

Bill




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TSM Server Disk Upgrade

2006-10-10 Thread Bill Dourado
Hello,

We are planning a disk upgrade mainly to increase the number and size of
DISKPOOLS.
The upgrade will be carried out by one our Server Administrators; my
question is
a disk upgrade on a  TSM Server different from that of an ordinary server
?
OR
Will we have to treat the database, logs and diskpools in a special
manner?

Would disabling caching on the diskpools speed up copying/ghosting , is
there
a way of making sure the caches are purged ?

Any other advice on achieving s successful disk upgrade on a TSM server
would be appreciated.

TSM Server for Windows 5.2.0.0

 Thanks

Bill




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