Re: POLL: Backing up Windows Systemstate

2014-01-10 Thread Rick Harderwijk
Zoltan,

I just checked my documentation, and have written down the following steps
to get rid of VSS writer errors with TSM backups:

1. Stop WMI Services
2. Stop Volume Shadow Copy service
3. Stop Microsoft Software Shadow Copy Provider
4. Stop Cryptographic Services
5. Stop COM+ Event System
6. Start COM+ Event System
7. Start Cryptographic Services
8. Start Microsoft Software Shadow Copy Provider
9. Start Volume Shadow Copy service
10. Start WMI Services

Please do check if you have any critical applications depending on these
services, stopping some services might be disruptive to your applications.
If I recall correctly, stoppping COM+ Event System also stops other
services. Do not forget to check if you need to restart more services after
starting COM+ service again.

To see if you can do a System State backup, try one with the GUI client, it
will tell you quite quickly if it can't run.

It took me quite a while to figure this out, I hope this will be of help to
you and your team.

Cheers,

Rick


On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Zoltan Forray zfor...@vcu.edu wrote:

 Rick,

 Thanks for the offer and yes we would greatly appreciate if you can find
 your notes on how you fixed it..

 Z


 On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Rick Harderwijk
 rick.harderw...@gmail.comwrote:

  Zoltan,
 
  We do succesfully do system state backups on Windows 2003 R2 and 2008 R2
  servers. Why we do it? Simple: disaster recovery.
 
  Do we occasionally get problems? Yes, we do, and I do recall having an
  issue with a disappeared System Writer as well. I cannot recall exactly
 how
  I fixed it, it might have been something to do with COM+. If you want me
  to, I can have a look tomorrow, see if I can find documentation on that
  issue.
 
  Cheers,
  Rick
 
 
  On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Zoltan Forray zfor...@vcu.edu wrote:
 
   A question about backing up systemstate, which seems to give us
 numerous
   headaches.
  
   Do you backup systemsstate on your Windows servers and WHY?
  
   My Windows folks constantly contact me about errors backup up and
 getting
   failures related to the systemstate files/process or VSS.
  
   For example, today's headache is a 2008 box failing with *System
 Writers
   'system writer'  do not exist * and yes, doing a vssadmin list
 writers
   does not list system writers.  They have been fighting this since
   November, with no solution to fixing this problem.  All hits/suggested
   solutions from Google searches have been tried, to no avail. I don't
  thing
   the server owners are willing to do a complete rebuild.
  
   The simple solution would be to NOT backups systemstate.   For a simple
   2008 server, what do we lose by not backing up systemstate?
  
   --
   *Zoltan Forray*
   TSM Software  Hardware Administrator
   Virginia Commonwealth University
   UCC/Office of Technology Services
   zfor...@vcu.edu - 804-828-4807
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Re: POLL: Backing up Windows Systemstate

2014-01-10 Thread Grigori Solonovitch
We are backing up Systemstate on all Windows servers because of using TBMR for 
restoring system images in case of system crash. Sometimes it is painful due to 
big number of files, problems with VSS, etc.
Problems with VSS are resolved by installing hot fixes or involving MS support.

Grigori Solonovitch, Senior Systems Architect, IT, Ahli United Bank Kuwait, 
www.ahliunited.com.kw


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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Zoltan 
Forray
Sent: 09 01 2014 9:12 PM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: [ADSM-L] POLL: Backing up Windows Systemstate

A question about backing up systemstate, which seems to give us numerous 
headaches.

Do you backup systemsstate on your Windows servers and WHY?

My Windows folks constantly contact me about errors backup up and getting 
failures related to the systemstate files/process or VSS.

For example, today's headache is a 2008 box failing with *System Writers 
'system writer'  do not exist * and yes, doing a vssadmin list writers
does not list system writers.  They have been fighting this since November, 
with no solution to fixing this problem.  All hits/suggested solutions from 
Google searches have been tried, to no avail. I don't thing the server owners 
are willing to do a complete rebuild.

The simple solution would be to NOT backups systemstate.   For a simple
2008 server, what do we lose by not backing up systemstate?

--
*Zoltan Forray*
TSM Software  Hardware Administrator
Virginia Commonwealth University
UCC/Office of Technology Services
zfor...@vcu.edu - 804-828-4807
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Re: POLL: Backing up Windows Systemstate

2014-01-10 Thread Marouf, Nick
In our current environment, we've never had a requirement to restore a system 
state. However, there are engineers that requested the ability to have it 
available.

Instead of using TSM's systemstate backup option, I've excluded it in the 
dsm.opt and use Microsoft's preferred and recommended method for backing up 
system state.

If you haven't seen this before, this quote is good to note:

When performing a VSS backup or restore, the Windows system state is defined 
as being a collection of several key operating system elements and their files. 
These elements should always be treated as a unit by backup and restore 
operations.

What this means it is all or nothing when it comes to System State backups and 
restores.


I found that using the built in Microsoft feature is the best, and most 
accurate method. (2008 Servers) I currently have it part of a scheduled job,  
but you can just as easily add it as a pre-task in the tsm client as well, this 
will allow the system state backup to be as close to the tsm disk backup.


To enable it in Windows you need to add these Add these features:

You will need to add under windows 2008 Features the Windows Server Backup 
Features which includes Windows Server Backup and Command Line Options.


The actual backup commands go something like this

:: Decide how many versions to keep
Wbadmin delete systemstatebackup -backuptarget:E: -keepversions:1 -quiet

:: Take a new system state backup
wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backupTarget:d: -quiet


The only catch is that is has to back up to a non OS drive. And it will take 
grow to approx. 12GB+


If you wish to restore a system state backup, you must first reboot the server 
into Directory Services Restore Mode (DSRM). Once in DSRM, you would open a 
command prompt with administrator rights and use the following commands to 
start the restore.

C:\Users\adminWBADMIN GET VERSIONS

Once we have located the version identifier, we can initiate the restore by 
using the following command:

WBADMIN START SYSTEMSTATERECOVERY -version: version id


Hope that helps,
-Nick


Also check out this Technical Exchange from IBM on the subject.

http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27023299



-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of 
Grigori Solonovitch
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:29 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] POLL: Backing up Windows Systemstate

We are backing up Systemstate on all Windows servers because of using TBMR for 
restoring system images in case of system crash. Sometimes it is painful due to 
big number of files, problems with VSS, etc.
Problems with VSS are resolved by installing hot fixes or involving MS support.

Grigori Solonovitch, Senior Systems Architect, IT, Ahli United Bank Kuwait, 
www.ahliunited.com.kw


-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Zoltan 
Forray
Sent: 09 01 2014 9:12 PM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: [ADSM-L] POLL: Backing up Windows Systemstate

A question about backing up systemstate, which seems to give us numerous 
headaches.

Do you backup systemsstate on your Windows servers and WHY?

My Windows folks constantly contact me about errors backup up and getting 
failures related to the systemstate files/process or VSS.

For example, today's headache is a 2008 box failing with *System Writers 
'system writer'  do not exist * and yes, doing a vssadmin list writers
does not list system writers.  They have been fighting this since November, 
with no solution to fixing this problem.  All hits/suggested solutions from 
Google searches have been tried, to no avail. I don't thing the server owners 
are willing to do a complete rebuild.

The simple solution would be to NOT backups systemstate.   For a simple
2008 server, what do we lose by not backing up systemstate?

--
*Zoltan Forray*
TSM Software  Hardware Administrator
Virginia Commonwealth University
UCC/Office of Technology Services
zfor...@vcu.edu - 804-828-4807
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Re: POLL: Backing up Windows Systemstate

2014-01-10 Thread Zoltan Forray
Thanks for the instructions. Although I'm not sure what simply starting and
stopping things versus just rebooting the server would do. I am not the
Windows person.

I have passed this onto my Windows folks.

Zoltan Forray
TSM Software  Hardware Administrator
Virginia Commonwealth University
UCC/Office of Technology Services
zfor...@vcu.edu - 804-828-4807
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On Jan 10, 2014 3:24 AM, Rick Harderwijk rick.harderw...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Zoltan,

 I just checked my documentation, and have written down the following steps
 to get rid of VSS writer errors with TSM backups:

 1. Stop WMI Services
 2. Stop Volume Shadow Copy service
 3. Stop Microsoft Software Shadow Copy Provider
 4. Stop Cryptographic Services
 5. Stop COM+ Event System
 6. Start COM+ Event System
 7. Start Cryptographic Services
 8. Start Microsoft Software Shadow Copy Provider
 9. Start Volume Shadow Copy service
 10. Start WMI Services

 Please do check if you have any critical applications depending on these
 services, stopping some services might be disruptive to your applications.
 If I recall correctly, stoppping COM+ Event System also stops other
 services. Do not forget to check if you need to restart more services after
 starting COM+ service again.

 To see if you can do a System State backup, try one with the GUI client, it
 will tell you quite quickly if it can't run.

 It took me quite a while to figure this out, I hope this will be of help to
 you and your team.

 Cheers,

 Rick


 On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Zoltan Forray zfor...@vcu.edu wrote:

  Rick,
 
  Thanks for the offer and yes we would greatly appreciate if you can find
  your notes on how you fixed it..
 
  Z
 
 
  On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Rick Harderwijk
  rick.harderw...@gmail.comwrote:
 
   Zoltan,
  
   We do succesfully do system state backups on Windows 2003 R2 and 2008
 R2
   servers. Why we do it? Simple: disaster recovery.
  
   Do we occasionally get problems? Yes, we do, and I do recall having an
   issue with a disappeared System Writer as well. I cannot recall exactly
  how
   I fixed it, it might have been something to do with COM+. If you want
 me
   to, I can have a look tomorrow, see if I can find documentation on that
   issue.
  
   Cheers,
   Rick
  
  
   On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Zoltan Forray zfor...@vcu.edu wrote:
  
A question about backing up systemstate, which seems to give us
  numerous
headaches.
   
Do you backup systemsstate on your Windows servers and WHY?
   
My Windows folks constantly contact me about errors backup up and
  getting
failures related to the systemstate files/process or VSS.
   
For example, today's headache is a 2008 box failing with *System
  Writers
'system writer'  do not exist * and yes, doing a vssadmin list
  writers
does not list system writers.  They have been fighting this since
November, with no solution to fixing this problem.  All
 hits/suggested
solutions from Google searches have been tried, to no avail. I don't
   thing
the server owners are willing to do a complete rebuild.
   
The simple solution would be to NOT backups systemstate.   For a
 simple
2008 server, what do we lose by not backing up systemstate?
   
--
*Zoltan Forray*
TSM Software  Hardware Administrator
Virginia Commonwealth University
UCC/Office of Technology Services
zfor...@vcu.edu - 804-828-4807
Don't be a phishing victim - VCU and other reputable organizations
 will
never use email to request that you reply with your password, social
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 details
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  --
  *Zoltan Forray*
  TSM Software  Hardware Administrator
  Virginia Commonwealth University
  UCC/Office of Technology Services
  zfor...@vcu.edu - 804-828-4807
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Re: POLL: Backing up Windows Systemstate

2014-01-10 Thread Andrew Raibeck
Zoltan,

Sorry I'm late to the discussion. If none of the other things that people
have mentioned here help, then consider engaging Microsoft support for
assistance. When vssadmin list writers does not show the System Writer,
then this is an OS issue not specific to any given backup product. Thus
other products that use VSS to back up system state, such as WBADMIN (the
Windows backup and recovery command line tool) will not be able to back up
the system state either.

Best regards,

- Andy



Andrew Raibeck | Tivoli Storage Manager Level 3 Technical Lead |
stor...@us.ibm.com

IBM Tivoli Storage Manager links:
Product support:
http://www.ibm.com/support/entry/portal/Overview/Software/Tivoli/Tivoli_Storage_Manager

Online documentation:
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/wikis/home/wiki/Tivoli
+Documentation+Central/page/Tivoli+Storage+Manager
Product Wiki:
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/wikis/home/wiki/Tivoli
+Storage+Manager/page/Home

ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@vm.marist.edu wrote on 2014-01-10
07:13:51:

 From: Zoltan Forray zfor...@vcu.edu
 To: ADSM-L@vm.marist.edu,
 Date: 2014-01-10 07:14
 Subject: Re: POLL: Backing up Windows Systemstate
 Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@vm.marist.edu

 Thanks for the instructions. Although I'm not sure what simply starting
and
 stopping things versus just rebooting the server would do. I am not
the
 Windows person.

 I have passed this onto my Windows folks.

 Zoltan Forray
 TSM Software  Hardware Administrator
 Virginia Commonwealth University
 UCC/Office of Technology Services
 zfor...@vcu.edu - 804-828-4807
 Don't be a phishing victim - VCU and other reputable organizations will
 never use email to request that you reply with your password, social
 security number or confidential personal information. For more details
 visit http://infosecurity.vcu.edu/phishing.html
 On Jan 10, 2014 3:24 AM, Rick Harderwijk rick.harderw...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Zoltan,
 
  I just checked my documentation, and have written down the following
steps
  to get rid of VSS writer errors with TSM backups:
 
  1. Stop WMI Services
  2. Stop Volume Shadow Copy service
  3. Stop Microsoft Software Shadow Copy Provider
  4. Stop Cryptographic Services
  5. Stop COM+ Event System
  6. Start COM+ Event System
  7. Start Cryptographic Services
  8. Start Microsoft Software Shadow Copy Provider
  9. Start Volume Shadow Copy service
  10. Start WMI Services
 
  Please do check if you have any critical applications depending on
these
  services, stopping some services might be disruptive to your
applications.
  If I recall correctly, stoppping COM+ Event System also stops other
  services. Do not forget to check if you need to restart more services
after
  starting COM+ service again.
 
  To see if you can do a System State backup, try one with the GUI
client, it
  will tell you quite quickly if it can't run.
 
  It took me quite a while to figure this out, I hope this will be of
help to
  you and your team.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Rick
 
 
  On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Zoltan Forray zfor...@vcu.edu wrote:
 
   Rick,
  
   Thanks for the offer and yes we would greatly appreciate if you can
find
   your notes on how you fixed it..
  
   Z
  
  
   On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Rick Harderwijk
   rick.harderw...@gmail.comwrote:
  
Zoltan,
   
We do succesfully do system state backups on Windows 2003 R2 and
2008
  R2
servers. Why we do it? Simple: disaster recovery.
   
Do we occasionally get problems? Yes, we do, and I do recall having
an
issue with a disappeared System Writer as well. I cannot recall
exactly
   how
I fixed it, it might have been something to do with COM+. If you
want
  me
to, I can have a look tomorrow, see if I can find documentation on
that
issue.
   
Cheers,
Rick
   
   
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Zoltan Forray zfor...@vcu.edu
wrote:
   
 A question about backing up systemstate, which seems to give us
   numerous
 headaches.

 Do you backup systemsstate on your Windows servers and WHY?

 My Windows folks constantly contact me about errors backup up and
   getting
 failures related to the systemstate files/process or VSS.

 For example, today's headache is a 2008 box failing with *System
   Writers
 'system writer'  do not exist * and yes, doing a vssadmin list
   writers
 does not list system writers.  They have been fighting this
since
 November, with no solution to fixing this problem.  All
  hits/suggested
 solutions from Google searches have been tried, to no avail. I
don't
thing
 the server owners are willing to do a complete rebuild.

 The simple solution would be to NOT backups systemstate.   For a
  simple
 2008 server, what do we lose by not backing up systemstate?

 --
 *Zoltan Forray*
 TSM Software  

Re: POLL: Backing up Windows Systemstate

2014-01-10 Thread Zoltan Forray
Andy,

As always, thanks for the response.  I too suggested to the Windows person
that she contact Microsoft for support.

She tried a bunch of suggestions she found via Google (and from here) and
system writer suddenly magically reappeared, not knowing what resolved it.

I forwarded all of the suggestions/solutions/responses for her to save for
the next such problem.

To make matters worse, this is one of the Windows 2003 boxes where the
6.4.x client was installed before 6.4.x was patched to not allow
installation on 2003 boxes, which of course means they are stuck since they
can't go forwards with later 6.4.x patches/updates and don't want to
uninstall/downlevel the client and re-backup everything (15M objects).
 There really should be some kind of workaround for these kinds of
situations..

Thanks to everyone for all the responses.




On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Andrew Raibeck stor...@us.ibm.com wrote:

 Zoltan,

 Sorry I'm late to the discussion. If none of the other things that people
 have mentioned here help, then consider engaging Microsoft support for
 assistance. When vssadmin list writers does not show the System Writer,
 then this is an OS issue not specific to any given backup product. Thus
 other products that use VSS to back up system state, such as WBADMIN (the
 Windows backup and recovery command line tool) will not be able to back up
 the system state either.

 Best regards,

 - Andy


 

 Andrew Raibeck | Tivoli Storage Manager Level 3 Technical Lead |
 stor...@us.ibm.com

 IBM Tivoli Storage Manager links:
 Product support:

 http://www.ibm.com/support/entry/portal/Overview/Software/Tivoli/Tivoli_Storage_Manager

 Online documentation:
 https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/wikis/home/wiki/Tivoli
 +Documentation+Central/page/Tivoli+Storage+Manager
 Product Wiki:
 https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/wikis/home/wiki/Tivoli
 +Storage+Manager/page/Home

 ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@vm.marist.edu wrote on 2014-01-10
 07:13:51:

  From: Zoltan Forray zfor...@vcu.edu
  To: ADSM-L@vm.marist.edu,
  Date: 2014-01-10 07:14
  Subject: Re: POLL: Backing up Windows Systemstate
  Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@vm.marist.edu
 
  Thanks for the instructions. Although I'm not sure what simply starting
 and
  stopping things versus just rebooting the server would do. I am not
 the
  Windows person.
 
  I have passed this onto my Windows folks.
 
  Zoltan Forray
  TSM Software  Hardware Administrator
  Virginia Commonwealth University
  UCC/Office of Technology Services
  zfor...@vcu.edu - 804-828-4807
  Don't be a phishing victim - VCU and other reputable organizations will
  never use email to request that you reply with your password, social
  security number or confidential personal information. For more details
  visit http://infosecurity.vcu.edu/phishing.html
  On Jan 10, 2014 3:24 AM, Rick Harderwijk rick.harderw...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Zoltan,
  
   I just checked my documentation, and have written down the following
 steps
   to get rid of VSS writer errors with TSM backups:
  
   1. Stop WMI Services
   2. Stop Volume Shadow Copy service
   3. Stop Microsoft Software Shadow Copy Provider
   4. Stop Cryptographic Services
   5. Stop COM+ Event System
   6. Start COM+ Event System
   7. Start Cryptographic Services
   8. Start Microsoft Software Shadow Copy Provider
   9. Start Volume Shadow Copy service
   10. Start WMI Services
  
   Please do check if you have any critical applications depending on
 these
   services, stopping some services might be disruptive to your
 applications.
   If I recall correctly, stoppping COM+ Event System also stops other
   services. Do not forget to check if you need to restart more services
 after
   starting COM+ service again.
  
   To see if you can do a System State backup, try one with the GUI
 client, it
   will tell you quite quickly if it can't run.
  
   It took me quite a while to figure this out, I hope this will be of
 help to
   you and your team.
  
   Cheers,
  
   Rick
  
  
   On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Zoltan Forray zfor...@vcu.edu wrote:
  
Rick,
   
Thanks for the offer and yes we would greatly appreciate if you can
 find
your notes on how you fixed it..
   
Z
   
   
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Rick Harderwijk
rick.harderw...@gmail.comwrote:
   
 Zoltan,

 We do succesfully do system state backups on Windows 2003 R2 and
 2008
   R2
 servers. Why we do it? Simple: disaster recovery.

 Do we occasionally get problems? Yes, we do, and I do recall having
 an
 issue with a disappeared System Writer as well. I cannot recall
 exactly
how
 I fixed it, it might have been something to do with COM+. If you
 want
   me
 to, I can have a look tomorrow, see if I can find documentation on
 that
 issue.

 Cheers,
 Rick


   

Re: POLL: Backing up Windows Systemstate

2014-01-10 Thread Storer, Raymond
Zoltan, I prefer to use the built-in Windows Backup for System State backups 
and then let TSM backup the files to tape during the normal file system 
backups. In this way, I know I have a Microsoft supported recovery mechanism if 
I need it.

Nowadays, with the advent of virtualization, there are very few instances where 
a server actually needs a system state backup. Off the top of my head, I would 
recommend it for a couple of scenarios for maximum support from Microsoft in 
case of a restore:
- Windows Domain Controller with global catalog
- Enterprise Windows Certificate Authority server

If you have Domain Controllers with a global catalog at several remote sites 
perhaps you'll decide you don't need a system state backup of any of your 
Domain Controllers. I do have them, and I still perform a system state backup 
of one of them. If you choose not to do system state backups you probably 
should consider a remote site for delayed replication--just in case you need 
your Active Directory to go back in time.

Ray Storer
NIBCO INC.
574.295.3457

-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Zoltan 
Forray
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2014 1:12 PM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: [ADSM-L] POLL: Backing up Windows Systemstate

A question about backing up systemstate, which seems to give us numerous
headaches.

Do you backup systemsstate on your Windows servers and WHY?

My Windows folks constantly contact me about errors backup up and getting
failures related to the systemstate files/process or VSS.

For example, today's headache is a 2008 box failing with *System Writers
'system writer'  do not exist * and yes, doing a vssadmin list writers
does not list system writers.  They have been fighting this since
November, with no solution to fixing this problem.  All hits/suggested
solutions from Google searches have been tried, to no avail. I don't thing
the server owners are willing to do a complete rebuild.

The simple solution would be to NOT backups systemstate.   For a simple
2008 server, what do we lose by not backing up systemstate?

--
*Zoltan Forray*
TSM Software  Hardware Administrator
Virginia Commonwealth University
UCC/Office of Technology Services
zfor...@vcu.edu - 804-828-4807
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Re: POLL: Backing up Windows Systemstate

2014-01-10 Thread Keith Arbogast
We use TSMVE to do weeekly snapshots of just  'Hard Disk 1' on our ESX virtual 
machines. On Windows servers, that's the 'system disk'.  When a total rebuild 
of a Windows server is required, a restore from the system disk snapshot is 
done rather than a file-level and systemstate restore from TSM Extended 
Edition.  

We have been advising admins of Windows servers not to backup systemstate to 
TSM Extended Edition because systemstate would be included in a snapshot 
restore. (It could be a week out of date.)  

Is our thinking correct about this, or are we overlooking something?

Thank you,
Keith Arbogast


Re: POLL: Backing up Windows Systemstate

2014-01-10 Thread Huebner, Andy
Reading through the thread an am surprised at the number of people with 
problems.  We backup about 2,000 windows servers from 2000 - 2008r2 and the 
system state backup (or one of the other names it goes by) rarely fail.

We backup the system to allow a quicker restore of the system, without it the 
applications would have to be re-installed.

Andy Huebner

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Subject: [ADSM-L] POLL: Backing up Windows Systemstate

A question about backing up systemstate, which seems to give us numerous 
headaches.

Do you backup systemsstate on your Windows servers and WHY?

My Windows folks constantly contact me about errors backup up and getting 
failures related to the systemstate files/process or VSS.

For example, today's headache is a 2008 box failing with *System Writers 
'system writer'  do not exist * and yes, doing a vssadmin list writers
does not list system writers.  They have been fighting this since November, 
with no solution to fixing this problem.  All hits/suggested solutions from 
Google searches have been tried, to no avail. I don't thing the server owners 
are willing to do a complete rebuild.

The simple solution would be to NOT backups systemstate.   For a simple
2008 server, what do we lose by not backing up systemstate?

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Who might be running multiple V6 TSM instances on the same LPAR/system???

2014-01-10 Thread Dwight Cook
Would greatly appreciate any input/feedback on what to look out for, tips,
hints, etc. in an AIX environment.