Re: Archive Backup ClientT (ABC) V3.1 (New!) for OpenVMS
I live in Memphis. Our corporate office in New Jersey uses it extensively for backing up their VMS systems. That is about all I know at their site. I have tried to evaluate it here. I have mixed results. On the whole it seemed to work very well and was easy to configure. I have two problems. The first and major one is I have a disk with zillions of little files on it. The application people are using WordPerfect (yes you heard right) and the files are keep on this disk. I hate to even do any directory searches on this disk. This disk took 15 hours to do the initial backup. I assume that a restore would take at least that long. An incremental takes about 8 hours with very few files changed. This timing is not acceptable to our users. I have talked to ABC and they want me to talk to an engineer and see if he can suggest any parameters to change. I have not had time yet to do this. My opinion is that he can not help much but I will try when I get time. My second problem is with the system disk. I had some errors about the structure on the disk. Due to the above problem I have not researched this problem. If I fix problem number one then I would tackle this problem. From the people in New Jersey, they say that the product is working great and that they have had no problems. Well that is my 2 cents worth. -- Phillip Ford Senior Software Specialist Corporate Computer Center Schering-Plough Corp. (901) 320-4462 (901) 320-4856 FAX [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Gill, Geoffrey L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Archive Backup ClientT (ABC) V3.1 (New!) for OpenVMS Is anyone using the ABC Client for VMS? I'd like any feedback as to the reliability for you. I've worked with Kelly on this and so has he. If you want my personal opinion I'd say.never mind.. Needless ot say I've been trying to get our people to use the 2 licenses we have, Version 1.2-6. I know it has worked in the past but they stopped using it because he says it works for a while then stops. He gets it fixed and it stops. At which point he gives up and says he ran out of time to look at it. That's great DR isn't it? I can't believe it's any more or less difficult to use or reliable than anything else we have, but I would like some feedback from others using it so I can get this resolved. The administrator has asked management to purchase a backup package, which they've obviously balked at since we're supposed to have one that works now. The question is why can't he get this one to work? I don't have access to it, can't answer it, and he doesn't seem to have time to check it. Don't ask me how he's going to find time to implement and care for the one he wants to purchase. Thanks for the feedback. Geoff Gill TSM Administrator NT Systems Support Engineer SAIC E-Mail:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (858) 826-4062 Pager: (888) 997-9614 *** This message and any attachments is solely for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this message is prohibited -- please immediately and permanently delete this message.
Re: Archive Backup ClientT (ABC) V3.1 (New!) for OpenVMS
I use version 1.2-9 total of 23 clients for 7 months now. VAX, ALPHA, cluster servers and standalones. We are performing daily incremental backups with monthly archives for historical and legal requirements. After initial implementation , we have had no problems. I do not used the supplied .COM files to perform the backups ended up writing something on my own. Duane Ochs Systems Administration Quad/Graphics Inc. 414.566.2375 -Original Message- From: Gill, Geoffrey L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Archive Backup ClientT (ABC) V3.1 (New!) for OpenVMS Is anyone using the ABC Client for VMS? I'd like any feedback as to the reliability for you. I've worked with Kelly on this and so has he. If you want my personal opinion I'd say.never mind.. Needless ot say I've been trying to get our people to use the 2 licenses we have, Version 1.2-6. I know it has worked in the past but they stopped using it because he says it works for a while then stops. He gets it fixed and it stops. At which point he gives up and says he ran out of time to look at it. That's great DR isn't it? I can't believe it's any more or less difficult to use or reliable than anything else we have, but I would like some feedback from others using it so I can get this resolved. The administrator has asked management to purchase a backup package, which they've obviously balked at since we're supposed to have one that works now. The question is why can't he get this one to work? I don't have access to it, can't answer it, and he doesn't seem to have time to check it. Don't ask me how he's going to find time to implement and care for the one he wants to purchase. Thanks for the feedback. Geoff Gill TSM Administrator NT Systems Support Engineer SAIC E-Mail:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (858) 826-4062 Pager: (888) 997-9614
Re: Archive Backup ClientT (ABC) V3.1 (New!) for OpenVMS
We're running it on 5 servers with no problems at all, occassionaly we'll have a password problem but that is easilyfixed. The system disk you want a standalone backup anyways. and the incrementals each night would just supplement whatever may have changed since. what does he do to get it fixed? what stops any ideas? hope this helps Paul -Original Message- From: Gill, Geoffrey L. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 9:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Archive Backup ClientT (ABC) V3.1 (New!) for OpenVMS Is anyone using the ABC Client for VMS? I'd like any feedback as to the reliability for you. I've worked with Kelly on this and so has he. If you want my personal opinion I'd say.never mind.. Needless ot say I've been trying to get our people to use the 2 licenses we have, Version 1.2-6. I know it has worked in the past but they stopped using it because he says it works for a while then stops. He gets it fixed and it stops. At which point he gives up and says he ran out of time to look at it. That's great DR isn't it? I can't believe it's any more or less difficult to use or reliable than anything else we have, but I would like some feedback from others using it so I can get this resolved. The administrator has asked management to purchase a backup package, which they've obviously balked at since we're supposed to have one that works now. The question is why can't he get this one to work? I don't have access to it, can't answer it, and he doesn't seem to have time to check it. Don't ask me how he's going to find time to implement and care for the one he wants to purchase. Thanks for the feedback. Geoff Gill TSM Administrator NT Systems Support Engineer SAIC E-Mail:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (858) 826-4062 Pager: (888) 997-9614
Re: Archive Backup ClientT (ABC) V3.1 (New!) for OpenVMS
Available through Storage Solutions Specialists,INC.Website : WWW.STORSOL.com . They also have a few other TSM related products that work very well. Duane Ochs Systems Administration Quad/Graphics Inc. 414.566.2375 -Original Message- From: David Longo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 9:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Archive Backup ClientT (ABC) V3.1 (New!) for OpenVMS I didn't know VMS was a supported client! Is this a third party App? I would like info, we have a couple of Open VMS systems that are backed up locally. David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 Pager 321.634.8230 Fax:321.434.5525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/21/02 09:45AM Is anyone using the ABC Client for VMS? I'd like any feedback as to the reliability for you. I've worked with Kelly on this and so has he. If you want my personal opinion I'd say.never mind.. Needless ot say I've been trying to get our people to use the 2 licenses we have, Version 1.2-6. I know it has worked in the past but they stopped using it because he says it works for a while then stops. He gets it fixed and it stops. At which point he gives up and says he ran out of time to look at it. That's great DR isn't it? I can't believe it's any more or less difficult to use or reliable than anything else we have, but I would like some feedback from others using it so I can get this resolved. The administrator has asked management to purchase a backup package, which they've obviously balked at since we're supposed to have one that works now. The question is why can't he get this one to work? I don't have access to it, can't answer it, and he doesn't seem to have time to check it. Don't ask me how he's going to find time to implement and care for the one he wants to purchase. Thanks for the feedback. Geoff Gill TSM Administrator NT Systems Support Engineer SAIC E-Mail:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (858) 826-4062 Pager: (888) 997-9614 MMS health-first.org made the following annotations on 03/21/02 10:53:58 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. ==
Re: Archive Backup ClientT (ABC) V3.1 (New!) for OpenVMS
Geoff, We have hundreds of installations of ABC running quite smoothly. I understand your frustration in trying to deal with an old VMS system manager - we're a crusty lot that think we know how it should be done and that everyone else doesn't (I started on VMS V1.0). But once you get ABC up to the right level, I'm sure your system manager will fall in love with it. It's considerably better than any alternative. The version you're running (V1.2-6) is three years old. There was at least one mandatory update that you'll find on our website in the download area: http://www.storsol.com/cfusion/template.cfm?page1=p_abc_downloadpage2=p_abc menu But you should update to 3.1.0.3. Kelly is away right now. Please feel free to contact me directly to work through your issues. There really isn't any reason to let your system manager create another problem for you. Bill Smoldt STORServer, Inc. SSSI -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gill, Geoffrey L. Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 7:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Archive Backup ClientT (ABC) V3.1 (New!) for OpenVMS Is anyone using the ABC Client for VMS? I'd like any feedback as to the reliability for you. I've worked with Kelly on this and so has he. If you want my personal opinion I'd say.never mind.. Needless ot say I've been trying to get our people to use the 2 licenses we have, Version 1.2-6. I know it has worked in the past but they stopped using it because he says it works for a while then stops. He gets it fixed and it stops. At which point he gives up and says he ran out of time to look at it. That's great DR isn't it? I can't believe it's any more or less difficult to use or reliable than anything else we have, but I would like some feedback from others using it so I can get this resolved. The administrator has asked management to purchase a backup package, which they've obviously balked at since we're supposed to have one that works now. The question is why can't he get this one to work? I don't have access to it, can't answer it, and he doesn't seem to have time to check it. Don't ask me how he's going to find time to implement and care for the one he wants to purchase. Thanks for the feedback. Geoff Gill TSM Administrator NT Systems Support Engineer SAIC E-Mail:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (858) 826-4062 Pager: (888) 997-9614
Re: Archive Backup ClientT (ABC) V3.1 (New!) for OpenVMS
Phillip, That is an interesting problem. Are the WordPerfect files generated on Intel machines? Are you using Pathworks? ABC is a well behaved client that uses supported interfaces to back up files. That means that we can read the file system as fast as any application, although in newer versions we can get around some RMS limitations. With zillions of files it's going to take the same amount of time to do the incremental as VMS BACKUP would. When you say that 8 hours is not acceptable to your users for the incremental backup, does that mean that you have users that are locked out during the backup and on third shift? We very likely can speed your backup by a significant margin if you will follow through with the contact. Have the call dispatcher route the call to me - I have some ideas that have nothing to do with parameter settings. Bill Smoldt STORServer, Inc. SSSI -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ford, Phillip Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Archive Backup ClientT (ABC) V3.1 (New!) for OpenVMS I live in Memphis. Our corporate office in New Jersey uses it extensively for backing up their VMS systems. That is about all I know at their site. I have tried to evaluate it here. I have mixed results. On the whole it seemed to work very well and was easy to configure. I have two problems. The first and major one is I have a disk with zillions of little files on it. The application people are using WordPerfect (yes you heard right) and the files are keep on this disk. I hate to even do any directory searches on this disk. This disk took 15 hours to do the initial backup. I assume that a restore would take at least that long. An incremental takes about 8 hours with very few files changed. This timing is not acceptable to our users. I have talked to ABC and they want me to talk to an engineer and see if he can suggest any parameters to change. I have not had time yet to do this. My opinion is that he can not help much but I will try when I get time. My second problem is with the system disk. I had some errors about the structure on the disk. Due to the above problem I have not researched this problem. If I fix problem number one then I would tackle this problem. From the people in New Jersey, they say that the product is working great and that they have had no problems. Well that is my 2 cents worth. -- Phillip Ford Senior Software Specialist Corporate Computer Center Schering-Plough Corp. (901) 320-4462 (901) 320-4856 FAX [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Gill, Geoffrey L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Archive Backup ClientT (ABC) V3.1 (New!) for OpenVMS Is anyone using the ABC Client for VMS? I'd like any feedback as to the reliability for you. I've worked with Kelly on this and so has he. If you want my personal opinion I'd say.never mind.. Needless ot say I've been trying to get our people to use the 2 licenses we have, Version 1.2-6. I know it has worked in the past but they stopped using it because he says it works for a while then stops. He gets it fixed and it stops. At which point he gives up and says he ran out of time to look at it. That's great DR isn't it? I can't believe it's any more or less difficult to use or reliable than anything else we have, but I would like some feedback from others using it so I can get this resolved. The administrator has asked management to purchase a backup package, which they've obviously balked at since we're supposed to have one that works now. The question is why can't he get this one to work? I don't have access to it, can't answer it, and he doesn't seem to have time to check it. Don't ask me how he's going to find time to implement and care for the one he wants to purchase. Thanks for the feedback. Geoff Gill TSM Administrator NT Systems Support Engineer SAIC E-Mail:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (858) 826-4062 Pager: (888) 997-9614 *** This message and any attachments is solely for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this message is prohibited -- please immediately and permanently delete this message.
