Re: Ideal storage solution for SP and SP+ ???
The amount of TB's is important of course because the system must be able to provide the storage amount but its also about performance. We use IBM V5030E systems and under maximum load with 48 nearline drives these systems are at about 30% load so they are overkill for 48 drive systems, the nearline drivers aren't fast enough to max out the cpus on the storage controllers. But we also have a customer running a Netapp storage solution, not an Ontap system but a simple entry-level SAN solution with high density storage that has >100 nearline drivers in it. That solution does in fact get very close to being CPU bound under maximum Spectrum Protect load. So I would stick with the amount of nearline drives the blueprint suggest for the performance you see in the blueprints and ask the storage provider what storage controller you need to be sure that the drivers don't overwhelm the controllers, take some growth into account etc. You can compare random read I/O (check the block sizes) between manufacturers to see how they compare, it's never a 100% accurate but it will give you a better indication than sequential imho. With most high end storage systems using nearline drivers you will basically always have the drivers as a bottleneck because a 7.2K drive just doesn't really perform that well and most high-end storage solutions are build for flash and can do insane amounts of IOP/s given the correct storage. I think Spectrum Protect has become very I/O efficient since they introduced the containerpool, especially when comparing it to the old filepool using dedup. On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:32 PM Rick Adamson wrote: > What storage solution is at the top of your list for Spectrum Protect and > Spectrum Protect Plus? > > I am a former a Data Domain abuser who (regretfully) moved to EMC Isilon > and now looking for the best possible replacement. > Usable storage requirement of somewhere in the neighborhood of 500+ tb. > > Operation protects roughly 2,100 clients. About 75% VMware VMs and SQL > with a scattering of AIX hosting DB2 & Oracle. > > Currently primarily protected using Spectrum Protect servers using BA, > TDP, and SP4VE but looking to migrate all possible operations to Spectrum > Protect Plus. > > At this time the plan would be to retain only the most recent (active) > data at our production facility on high performing storage to provide quick > recovery then using replicate inactive data to our DR facility to be > offloaded to Spectrum Protect servers and/or cloud. > > All feedback and advice welcome. Thanks ! > > **CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE** This electronic message contains information > from Southeastern Grocers, Inc and is intended only for the use of the > addressee. This message may contain information that is privileged, > confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable Law. This > message may not be read, used, distributed, forwarded, reproduced or stored > by any other than the intended recipient. If you are not the intended > recipient, please delete and notify the sender. >
Re: Ideal storage solution for SP and SP+ ???
We use IBM Cloud Object Storage boxes for our backend Spectrum storage...have eliminated all requirements for physical tape devices... -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Rick Adamson Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 5:31 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Ideal storage solution for SP and SP+ ??? What storage solution is at the top of your list for Spectrum Protect and Spectrum Protect Plus? I am a former a Data Domain abuser who (regretfully) moved to EMC Isilon and now looking for the best possible replacement. Usable storage requirement of somewhere in the neighborhood of 500+ tb. Operation protects roughly 2,100 clients. About 75% VMware VMs and SQL with a scattering of AIX hosting DB2 & Oracle. Currently primarily protected using Spectrum Protect servers using BA, TDP, and SP4VE but looking to migrate all possible operations to Spectrum Protect Plus. At this time the plan would be to retain only the most recent (active) data at our production facility on high performing storage to provide quick recovery then using replicate inactive data to our DR facility to be offloaded to Spectrum Protect servers and/or cloud. All feedback and advice welcome. Thanks ! **CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE** This electronic message contains information from Southeastern Grocers, Inc and is intended only for the use of the addressee. This message may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable Law. This message may not be read, used, distributed, forwarded, reproduced or stored by any other than the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete and notify the sender. ___ If you received this email in error, please advise the sender (by return email or otherwise) immediately. You have consented to receive the attached electronically at the above-noted email address; please retain a copy of this confirmation for future reference. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez en aviser l'expéditeur immédiatement, par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. Vous avez accepté de recevoir le(s) document(s) ci-joint(s) par voie électronique à l'adresse courriel indiquée ci-dessus; veuillez conserver une copie de cette confirmation pour les fins de reference future.
Re: Ideal storage solution for SP and SP+ ???
Eric, Really appreciate the response. I am very familiar with both blueprints and will definitely go back over them in detail. My recall was that they were understandably IBM-centric and didn't specify minimal/ideal IO and performance requirements. We are almost exclusively a Dell/EMC shop for storage but IBM is an attractive possibility, especially in combination with Spectrum Storage Suite software. When we purchased the EMC Isilon there was more focus on being budget than performance minded. It quickly became obvious that poor performing storage made a great data protection solution seem terrible. For now my goal is to identify the best performing replacement(s). Thank you, -Rick Adamson -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager On Behalf Of Loon, Eric van (ITOP NS) - KLM Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 5:51 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Ideal storage solution for SP and SP+ ??? * This email originated outside of the organization. Use caution when opening attachments or clicking links. * -- Hi Rick, Have a look at the latest IBM Spectrum Protect Blueprints and the IBM Spectrum Protect Plus Blueprints. They are based on (of course) IBM hardware (v5100 series) but the performance is good and you have the ability to benchmark your performance and compare it with the performance from the IBM lab. The price per TB is also very competitive, especially if your used to Data Domain prices. :-) Kind regards, Eric van Loon Air France/KLM Storage & Backup -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager On Behalf Of Rick Adamson Sent: donderdag 4 juni 2020 23:31 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Ideal storage solution for SP and SP+ ??? What storage solution is at the top of your list for Spectrum Protect and Spectrum Protect Plus? I am a former a Data Domain abuser who (regretfully) moved to EMC Isilon and now looking for the best possible replacement. Usable storage requirement of somewhere in the neighborhood of 500+ tb. Operation protects roughly 2,100 clients. About 75% VMware VMs and SQL with a scattering of AIX hosting DB2 & Oracle. Currently primarily protected using Spectrum Protect servers using BA, TDP, and SP4VE but looking to migrate all possible operations to Spectrum Protect Plus. At this time the plan would be to retain only the most recent (active) data at our production facility on high performing storage to provide quick recovery then using replicate inactive data to our DR facility to be offloaded to Spectrum Protect servers and/or cloud. All feedback and advice welcome. Thanks ! **CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE** This electronic message contains information from Southeastern Grocers, Inc and is intended only for the use of the addressee. This message may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable Law. This message may not be read, used, distributed, forwarded, reproduced or stored by any other than the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete and notify the sender. For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.klm.com=DwIFAg=AzgFQeXLLKhxSQaoFCm29A=eqh5PzQPIsPArLoI_uV1mKvhIpcNP1MsClDPSJjFfxw=u332fOLIiqsGyzNt5I4kVcUDaoNonmcIgLBKxmMeirk=fRpFro5QXSAWm57w6RwyMSZ2ETU1QBCWSoFxnDu3DJ4= . This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286
Re: Ideal storage solution for SP and SP+ ???
Hi Rick and Eric I hope you are well. To help here are the links: Blueprints for Plus: https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/node/1119489 Blueprints for Spectrum Protect: https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/ibm-spectrum-protect-blueprints Thank you Ailbhe ** Hi Rick, Have a look at the latest IBM Spectrum Protect Blueprints and the IBM Spectrum Protect Plus Blueprints. They are based on (of course) IBM hardware (v5100 series) but the performance is good and you have the ability to benchmark your performance and compare it with the performance from the IBM lab. The price per TB is also very competitive, especially if your used to Data Domain prices. :-) Kind regards, Eric van Loon Air France/KLM Storage & Backup -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager On Behalf Of Rick Adamson Sent: donderdag 4 juni 2020 23:31 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Ideal storage solution for SP and SP+ ??? What storage solution is at the top of your list for Spectrum Protect and Spectrum Protect Plus? I am a former a Data Domain abuser who (regretfully) moved to EMC Isilon and now looking for the best possible replacement. Usable storage requirement of somewhere in the neighborhood of 500+ tb. Operation protects roughly 2,100 clients. About 75% VMware VMs and SQL with a scattering of AIX hosting DB2 & Oracle. Currently primarily protected using Spectrum Protect servers using BA, TDP, and SP4VE but looking to migrate all possible operations to Spectrum Protect Plus. At this time the plan would be to retain only the most recent (active) data at our production facility on high performing storage to provide quick recovery then using replicate inactive data to our DR facility to be offloaded to Spectrum Protect servers and/or cloud. All feedback and advice welcome. Thanks ! **CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE** This electronic message contains information from Southeastern Grocers, Inc and is intended only for the use of the addressee. This message may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable Law. This message may not be read, used, distributed, forwarded, reproduced or stored by any other than the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete and notify the sender. For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.klm.com=DwIFAg=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=mi189FV_tD-vDgbF06dkzQ9CT0DuLVP43uZfJp20QAw=DaTP7cuXXbx50Vu0i-DCv974J1k-GPNWhjHSCdZ86Ew=LR9f53A0DE9sxDOSr5KnTeeTo1-5PgkGOdG19Fy3sG0= . This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286
Re: Ideal storage solution for SP and SP+ ???
Hi Rick, Have a look at the latest IBM Spectrum Protect Blueprints and the IBM Spectrum Protect Plus Blueprints. They are based on (of course) IBM hardware (v5100 series) but the performance is good and you have the ability to benchmark your performance and compare it with the performance from the IBM lab. The price per TB is also very competitive, especially if your used to Data Domain prices. :-) Kind regards, Eric van Loon Air France/KLM Storage & Backup -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager On Behalf Of Rick Adamson Sent: donderdag 4 juni 2020 23:31 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Ideal storage solution for SP and SP+ ??? What storage solution is at the top of your list for Spectrum Protect and Spectrum Protect Plus? I am a former a Data Domain abuser who (regretfully) moved to EMC Isilon and now looking for the best possible replacement. Usable storage requirement of somewhere in the neighborhood of 500+ tb. Operation protects roughly 2,100 clients. About 75% VMware VMs and SQL with a scattering of AIX hosting DB2 & Oracle. Currently primarily protected using Spectrum Protect servers using BA, TDP, and SP4VE but looking to migrate all possible operations to Spectrum Protect Plus. At this time the plan would be to retain only the most recent (active) data at our production facility on high performing storage to provide quick recovery then using replicate inactive data to our DR facility to be offloaded to Spectrum Protect servers and/or cloud. All feedback and advice welcome. Thanks ! **CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE** This electronic message contains information from Southeastern Grocers, Inc and is intended only for the use of the addressee. This message may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable Law. This message may not be read, used, distributed, forwarded, reproduced or stored by any other than the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete and notify the sender. For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286
