RE: Average Position availability in API post deprecation in 2H 2019

2019-04-01 Thread googleadsapi-forumadvisor via AdWords API and Google Ads API Forum 


Hi Zweitze,

Thanks for being patient with me here. This is such a fine-grained detail
that it takes a bit of work to find the answer, and I have good news. I
have it. It looks like the data starts March 2018. I hope that helps you
with your coding logic. It was nice hearing from you again, and hopefully
I'll get to see you at another workshop some day down the road.

Take care,
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On 03/20/19 13:39:31 googleadsapi-forumadvi...@google.com wrote:

Hello Zweitze,

This is a tough one to figure out without going straight to the engineer
who wrote the code and implemented it. Through a lot of digging, I think I
MAY have found her. Please keep your fingers crossed. I'll see if I can
find out that answer for you. I'll get back to you when I hear back.

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On 03/19/19 06:39:02 zwei...@gmail.com wrote:

Sai,

I did *post my question
*
in that forum, and got an anwer from a Gold Product Expert, claiming he
does not know how Google implented this.He suspects Google is still
executing this conversion.

I do think only Google can answer my question. Unfortunately, nobody from
Google felt obliged to answer.

Do you see any other way to retrieve this answer?
Or find a way to ask this to the product team yourself?

Our use case:
Previously AvgPos is (partly) used for qualifications of campaigns and
accounts, based on experience and -more important- years of data, in some
cases dating all the way back to 2002 (!). Anyway, we have to migrate to
the new metrics. Now we have little experience, and need as much data as
available. But it may be a bit to much for our server (and Googles servers)
to obtain all data since -say- 2014 again.

So we need a statement on the oldest date. Like
*"These metrics first became available for then-whitelisted accounts in
Liechtenstein, and you can find no older date than July 1st 2017."*


Thanks for understanding!



On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 7:04:13 PM UTC+1, googleadsapi-forumadvisor
wrote:

Hello Zweitze,

Looks like your concern is more on the product level. I suggest you to post
your concern on the Google Ads Community
, the
product specialists there are better equipped to address this question.

Regards,
Sai Teja, AdWords API Team


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On 03/13/19 08:17:24 zwe...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a related question on this subject - so I prefer to continue in this
thread.

Like Leon we now use AveragePosition for analysis, and we consider to shift
to these Prominence Metrics too.
But our goal is long term analysis.

How far in the past do these metrics go?
I know we can take an old account (say before 2005) and start reading the
metris, and determine when reasonable data appears.
But... quite often new features are rolled out on different dates, for
instance by country, or first for large accounts.

So my question is, what is the oldest date we can get reliable prominence
metrics?
For instance, 1-1-2019? Earlier?

Thanks!


On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 12:08:47 AM UTC+1,
googleadsapi-forumadvisor wrote:

Hello Leon,

If you are referring to this article
, about
sunsetting the average position. Wherever you are using AveragePosition
  
as

a proxy to bid to a page location, switch to using the new
SearchAbsoluteTopImpressionShare or SearchTopImpressionShare metrics.
Please Refer this blog post

RE: Average Position availability in API post deprecation in 2H 2019

2019-03-19 Thread googleadsapi-forumadvisor via AdWords API and Google Ads API Forum 


Hello Zweitze,

This is a tough one to figure out without going straight to the engineer
who wrote the code and implemented it. Through a lot of digging, I think I
MAY have found her. Please keep your fingers crossed. I'll see if I can
find out that answer for you. I'll get back to you when I hear back.

Best,
Nadine Sundquist, Google Ads API Team
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On 03/19/19 06:39:02 zwei...@gmail.com wrote:

Sai,

I did *post my question
*
in that forum, and got an anwer from a Gold Product Expert, claiming he
does not know how Google implented this.He suspects Google is still
executing this conversion.

I do think only Google can answer my question. Unfortunately, nobody from
Google felt obliged to answer.

Do you see any other way to retrieve this answer?
Or find a way to ask this to the product team yourself?

Our use case:
Previously AvgPos is (partly) used for qualifications of campaigns and
accounts, based on experience and -more important- years of data, in some
cases dating all the way back to 2002 (!). Anyway, we have to migrate to
the new metrics. Now we have little experience, and need as much data as
available. But it may be a bit to much for our server (and Googles servers)
to obtain all data since -say- 2014 again.

So we need a statement on the oldest date. Like
*"These metrics first became available for then-whitelisted accounts in
Liechtenstein, and you can find no older date than July 1st 2017."*


Thanks for understanding!



On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 7:04:13 PM UTC+1, googleadsapi-forumadvisor
wrote:

Hello Zweitze,

Looks like your concern is more on the product level. I suggest you to post
your concern on the Google Ads Community
, the
product specialists there are better equipped to address this question.

Regards,
Sai Teja, AdWords API Team


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On 03/13/19 08:17:24 zwe...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a related question on this subject - so I prefer to continue in this
thread.

Like Leon we now use AveragePosition for analysis, and we consider to shift
to these Prominence Metrics too.
But our goal is long term analysis.

How far in the past do these metrics go?
I know we can take an old account (say before 2005) and start reading the
metris, and determine when reasonable data appears.
But... quite often new features are rolled out on different dates, for
instance by country, or first for large accounts.

So my question is, what is the oldest date we can get reliable prominence
metrics?
For instance, 1-1-2019? Earlier?

Thanks!


On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 12:08:47 AM UTC+1,
googleadsapi-forumadvisor wrote:

Hello Leon,

If you are referring to this article
, about
sunsetting the average position. Wherever you are using AveragePosition
  
as

a proxy to bid to a page location, switch to using the new
SearchAbsoluteTopImpressionShare or SearchTopImpressionShare metrics.
Please Refer this blog post
  
for

more information.

Regards,
Sai Teja, AdWords API Team

On 02/27/19 11:40:35 ll...@horizonmedia.com wrote:

With the announcement that the Average Position metric will be deprecated
in 2H 2019 in favor of Prominence Metrics, is it safe to assume that the
metric will also be deprecated in the API?

That post deprecation the metric will no longer be viewable in the Google
Ads UI nor can it be requested in a report from the API?

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Re: Average Position availability in API post deprecation in 2H 2019

2019-03-19 Thread Zweitze 
Sai,

I did *post my question 
*
 
in that forum, and got an anwer from a Gold Product Expert, claiming he 
does not know how Google implented this.He suspects Google is still 
executing this conversion.

I do think only Google can answer my question. Unfortunately, nobody from 
Google felt obliged to answer.

Do you see any other way to retrieve this answer?
Or find a way to ask this to the product team yourself?

Our use case:
Previously AvgPos is (partly) used for qualifications of campaigns and 
accounts, based on experience and -more important- years of data, in some 
cases dating all the way back to 2002 (!). Anyway, we have to migrate to 
the new metrics. Now we have little experience, and need as much data as 
available. But it may be a bit to much for our server (and Googles servers) 
to obtain all data since -say- 2014 again.

So we need a statement on the oldest date. Like
*"These metrics first became available for then-whitelisted accounts in 
Liechtenstein, and you can find no older date than July 1st 2017."*


Thanks for understanding!



On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 7:04:13 PM UTC+1, googleadsapi-forumadvisor 
wrote:
>
> Hello Zweitze,
>
> Looks like your concern is more on the product level. I suggest you to 
> post your concern on the Google Ads Community 
> , 
> the product specialists there are better equipped to address this question.
>
> Regards,
> Sai Teja, AdWords API Team
>
>
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> On 03/13/19 08:17:24 zwe...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
> I have a related question on this subject - so I prefer to continue in 
> this thread.
>
> Like Leon we now use AveragePosition for analysis, and we consider to 
> shift to these Prominence Metrics too.
> But our goal is long term analysis.
>
> How far in the past do these metrics go?
> I know we can take an old account (say before 2005) and start reading the 
> metris, and determine when reasonable data appears.
> But... quite often new features are rolled out on different dates, for 
> instance by country, or first for large accounts.
>
> So my question is, what is the oldest date we can get reliable prominence 
> metrics?
> For instance, 1-1-2019? Earlier?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 12:08:47 AM UTC+1, 
> googleadsapi-forumadvisor wrote:
>
> Hello Leon,
>
> If you are referring to this article 
> , about 
> sunsetting the average position. Wherever you are using AveragePosition 
> 
>  as 
> a proxy to bid to a page location, switch to using the new 
> SearchAbsoluteTopImpressionShare or SearchTopImpressionShare metrics. 
> Please Refer this blog post 
> 
>  for 
> more information.
>
> Regards,
> Sai Teja, AdWords API Team
>
> On 02/27/19 11:40:35 ll...@horizonmedia.com wrote:
>
> With the announcement that the Average Position metric will be deprecated 
> in 2H 2019 in favor of Prominence Metrics, is it safe to assume that the 
> metric will also be deprecated in the API?
>
> That post deprecation the metric will no longer be viewable in the Google 
> Ads UI nor can it be requested in a report from the API?
>
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RE: Average Position availability in API post deprecation in 2H 2019

2019-03-13 Thread googleadsapi-forumadvisor via AdWords API and Google Ads API Forum 


Hello Zweitze,

Looks like your concern is more on the product level. I suggest you to post
your concern on the Google Ads Community
, the
product specialists there are better equipped to address this question.

Regards,
Sai Teja, AdWords API Team


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On 03/13/19 08:17:24 zwei...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a related question on this subject - so I prefer to continue in this
thread.

Like Leon we now use AveragePosition for analysis, and we consider to shift
to these Prominence Metrics too.
But our goal is long term analysis.

How far in the past do these metrics go?
I know we can take an old account (say before 2005) and start reading the
metris, and determine when reasonable data appears.
But... quite often new features are rolled out on different dates, for
instance by country, or first for large accounts.

So my question is, what is the oldest date we can get reliable prominence
metrics?
For instance, 1-1-2019? Earlier?

Thanks!


On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 12:08:47 AM UTC+1,
googleadsapi-forumadvisor wrote:

Hello Leon,

If you are referring to this article
, about
sunsetting the average position. Wherever you are using AveragePosition
  
as

a proxy to bid to a page location, switch to using the new
SearchAbsoluteTopImpressionShare or SearchTopImpressionShare metrics.
Please Refer this blog post
  
for

more information.

Regards,
Sai Teja, AdWords API Team

On 02/27/19 11:40:35 ll...@horizonmedia.com wrote:

With the announcement that the Average Position metric will be deprecated
in 2H 2019 in favor of Prominence Metrics, is it safe to assume that the
metric will also be deprecated in the API?

That post deprecation the metric will no longer be viewable in the Google
Ads UI nor can it be requested in a report from the API?

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Re: Average Position availability in API post deprecation in 2H 2019

2019-03-13 Thread Zweitze 
I have a related question on this subject - so I prefer to continue in this 
thread.

Like Leon we now use AveragePosition for analysis, and we consider to shift 
to these Prominence Metrics too.
But our goal is long term analysis.

How far in the past do these metrics go?
I know we can take an old account (say before 2005) and start reading the 
metris, and determine when reasonable data appears.
But... quite often new features are rolled out on different dates, for 
instance by country, or first for large accounts.

So my question is, what is the oldest date we can get reliable prominence 
metrics?
For instance, 1-1-2019? Earlier?

Thanks!


On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 12:08:47 AM UTC+1, 
googleadsapi-forumadvisor wrote:
>
> Hello Leon,
>
> If you are referring to this article 
> , about 
> sunsetting the average position. Wherever you are using AveragePosition 
> 
>  as 
> a proxy to bid to a page location, switch to using the new 
> SearchAbsoluteTopImpressionShare or SearchTopImpressionShare metrics. 
> Please Refer this blog post 
> 
>  for 
> more information.
>
> Regards,
> Sai Teja, AdWords API Team
>
> On 02/27/19 11:40:35 ll...@horizonmedia.com  wrote:
>
> With the announcement that the Average Position metric will be deprecated 
> in 2H 2019 in favor of Prominence Metrics, is it safe to assume that the 
> metric will also be deprecated in the API?
>
> That post deprecation the metric will no longer be viewable in the Google 
> Ads UI nor can it be requested in a report from the API?
>
> -- 
>
>

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Re: Average Position availability in API post deprecation in 2H 2019

2019-02-28 Thread Leon Lei 
Copy and pasting the followup response from Sai below.

Concluding that Average Position metric will most likely not be available 
in the API either.

Please close thread.








*Hello Leon, Since this a product level change, the metrics may eventually 
not be available in the API as well. As recommend in the blog post 

 it 
would be ideal to start using the new metrics  Regards, Sai Teja, AdWords 
API Team*


On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 11:16:30 AM UTC-5, Leon Lei wrote:
>
> Thanks for the quick response Sai.
>
> Yup, I'm referring to that article.
>
> We'll switch to using the new prominence metrics for our bidding 
> applications. But if we want to still get the AveragePosition metric as 
> data for analysis, will it still be available in the API? I'm assuming it 
> won't be but want to get confirmation.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 6:08:47 PM UTC-5, 
> googleadsapi-forumadvisor wrote:
>>
>> Hello Leon,
>>
>> If you are referring to this article 
>> , about 
>> sunsetting the average position. Wherever you are using AveragePosition 
>> 
>>  as 
>> a proxy to bid to a page location, switch to using the new 
>> SearchAbsoluteTopImpressionShare or SearchTopImpressionShare metrics. 
>> Please Refer this blog post 
>> 
>>  for 
>> more information.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sai Teja, AdWords API Team
>>
>>
>> =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~
>> Also find us on our blog and discussion group:
>> http://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com/search/label/adwords_api
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>> On 02/27/19 11:40:35 ll...@horizonmedia.com wrote:
>>
>> With the announcement that the Average Position metric will be deprecated 
>> in 2H 2019 in favor of Prominence Metrics, is it safe to assume that the 
>> metric will also be deprecated in the API?
>>
>> That post deprecation the metric will no longer be viewable in the Google 
>> Ads UI nor can it be requested in a report from the API?
>>
>> -- 
>> -- 
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Re: Average Position availability in API post deprecation in 2H 2019

2019-02-28 Thread Leon Lei 
Thanks for the quick response Sai.

Yup, I'm referring to that article.

We'll switch to using the new prominence metrics for our bidding 
applications. But if we want to still get the AveragePosition metric as 
data for analysis, will it still be available in the API? I'm assuming it 
won't be but want to get confirmation.



On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 6:08:47 PM UTC-5, 
googleadsapi-forumadvisor wrote:
>
> Hello Leon,
>
> If you are referring to this article 
> , about 
> sunsetting the average position. Wherever you are using AveragePosition 
> 
>  as 
> a proxy to bid to a page location, switch to using the new 
> SearchAbsoluteTopImpressionShare or SearchTopImpressionShare metrics. 
> Please Refer this blog post 
> 
>  for 
> more information.
>
> Regards,
> Sai Teja, AdWords API Team
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RE: Average Position availability in API post deprecation in 2H 2019

2019-02-27 Thread googleadsapi-forumadvisor via AdWords API and Google Ads API Forum 


Hello Leon,

If you are referring to this article
, about
sunsetting the average position. Wherever you are using AveragePosition
  
as

a proxy to bid to a page location, switch to using the new
SearchAbsoluteTopImpressionShare or SearchTopImpressionShare metrics.
Please Refer this blog post
  
for

more information.

Regards,
Sai Teja, AdWords API Team


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With the announcement that the Average Position metric will be deprecated
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metric will also be deprecated in the API?

That post deprecation the metric will no longer be viewable in the Google
Ads UI nor can it be requested in a report from the API?

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