Re: [AFMUG] So much for that...

[Robert]

UP has a bunch of different purpose radio links out here, for much more 
than just PTC.   We have a few towers of theirs near town.   They watch 
them like hawks for unauthorized visitors..   Some of them have great 
siting that many would like access to for building towers...  Don't 
bother asking...


On 9/28/18 5:53 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Well, that is pretty opaque. But I will mention that if you're talking 
about UP, their radio system is for positive train control. You have to 
do no more than watch the news to realize how important it is. Maybe 
that isn't what you are taking about.


On Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 6:29 PM Robert > wrote:


And at the same time utterly cutthroat..   Old school biz and not one
bit dedicated in staying that way other than the good biz parts..   Do
not go _near_ their radio stuff without permission...

On 9/28/18 1:54 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
 > Oh and by the way, my short experience taught me a great deal
about UPR.
 > What I learned is that they are a fantastic company in all respects.
 > Everyone I dealt with was knowledgeable, very competent, and just
really
 > great to work with. I have no doubt if they have the will to
succeed as
 > a WISP they would. They may have decided they don't have the will.
 >
 > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 3:51 PM Lewis Bergman
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
 > >> wrote:
 >
 >     I have insight I cannot divulge due to an NDA. I think it is
safe to
 >     say they were using more than 3.65. Being UPR it wouldn't be a
 >     violation to state that they have a deep corporate culture since
 >     they are an enormous company.
 >
 >     This is purely speculation, but it may be that they successfully
 >     determined what they wanted to know. So in that respect, if it is
 >     true they are shutting down, they may have decided that the
 >     miniscule profit turned by even a wildly successful WISP is a
 >     fraction of a drop in the bucket in comparison to the kind of
money
 >     they make in a month. If you have ever looked at their SEC
filings
 >     you know what I mean. In the end, it may have served as more of a
 >     distraction than anything else. All of that is purely
speculation as
 >     I was only involved in the pre deployment stage.
 >
 >     On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 11:09 AM Cameron Crum
mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>
 >     >> wrote:
 >
 >         They sure did have grand plans, but I think their
approach was a
 >         little too corporate based on the RFQ I saw a year and a
half ago.
 >
 >         On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:26 AM Jon Langeler
 >         mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net> >>
 >         wrote:
 >
 >             It’s probably an over the air data rate advertised on
the box.
 >
 >             Jon Langeler
 >             Michwave Technologies, Inc.
 >
 >
 >             On Sep 28, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Ken Hohhof
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
 >             >> wrote:
 >
 >>             Strange, I never heard of them before.
 >>
 >>             __ __
 >>
 >>             “The company’s service cost between $50 and $90 for
 >>             download speeds of up to 58 Mbps, using spectrum in the
 >>             licensed 3650-3700 MHz range.”
 >>
 >>             __ __
 >>
 >>             58 Mbps is a lot in a band with a total of 50 MHz and
 >>             where channel size is typically 10 MHz.  It’s also a
 >>             strangely specific speed.
 >>
 >>             __ __
 >>
 >>             __ __
 >>
 >>             *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
 >>             >> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
 >>             *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 7:51 AM
 >>             *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
 >>             >>
 >>             *Subject:* [AFMUG] So much for that...
 >>
 >>             __ __
 >>
 >>

https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/breeze-broadband-to-discontinue-fixed-wireless-internet-service
 >>
 >>             __ __
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>             -
 >>             Mike Hammett
 >>             Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 >>   
  

Re: [AFMUG] So much for that...

[Lewis Bergman]

Well, that is pretty opaque. But I will mention that if you're talking
about UP, their radio system is for positive train control. You have to do
no more than watch the news to realize how important it is. Maybe that
isn't what you are taking about.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018, 6:29 PM Robert  wrote:

> And at the same time utterly cutthroat..   Old school biz and not one
> bit dedicated in staying that way other than the good biz parts..   Do
> not go _near_ their radio stuff without permission...
>
> On 9/28/18 1:54 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > Oh and by the way, my short experience taught me a great deal about UPR.
> > What I learned is that they are a fantastic company in all respects.
> > Everyone I dealt with was knowledgeable, very competent, and just really
> > great to work with. I have no doubt if they have the will to succeed as
> > a WISP they would. They may have decided they don't have the will.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 3:51 PM Lewis Bergman  > > wrote:
> >
> > I have insight I cannot divulge due to an NDA. I think it is safe to
> > say they were using more than 3.65. Being UPR it wouldn't be a
> > violation to state that they have a deep corporate culture since
> > they are an enormous company.
> >
> > This is purely speculation, but it may be that they successfully
> > determined what they wanted to know. So in that respect, if it is
> > true they are shutting down, they may have decided that the
> > miniscule profit turned by even a wildly successful WISP is a
> > fraction of a drop in the bucket in comparison to the kind of money
> > they make in a month. If you have ever looked at their SEC filings
> > you know what I mean. In the end, it may have served as more of a
> > distraction than anything else. All of that is purely speculation as
> > I was only involved in the pre deployment stage.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 11:09 AM Cameron Crum  > > wrote:
> >
> > They sure did have grand plans, but I think their approach was a
> > little too corporate based on the RFQ I saw a year and a half
> ago.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:26 AM Jon Langeler
> > mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > It’s probably an over the air data rate advertised on the
> box.
> >
> > Jon Langeler
> > Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> >
> >
> > On Sep 28, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Ken Hohhof  > > wrote:
> >
> >> Strange, I never heard of them before.
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >> “The company’s service cost between $50 and $90 for
> >> download speeds of up to 58 Mbps, using spectrum in the
> >> licensed 3650-3700 MHz range.”
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >> 58 Mbps is a lot in a band with a total of 50 MHz and
> >> where channel size is typically 10 MHz.  It’s also a
> >> strangely specific speed.
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >> *From:* AF  >> > *On Behalf Of *Mike
> Hammett
> >> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 7:51 AM
> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >> >
> >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] So much for that...
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >>
> https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/breeze-broadband-to-discontinue-fixed-wireless-internet-service
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
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> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> >> <
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Re: [AFMUG] aerial costs

[Adam Moffett]

That's not far from where I'm at.
If only make-ready and tree trimming were as cheap as hanging the cable...


On 9/28/2018 1:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Thanks
So if I add $1 for fiber, $3.20/foot could be a good figure?
*From:* Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 10:27 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] aerial costs
labor at $1.60/ft, material (hangers, strand, anchors, etc. but not 
fiber) at $0.60/ft.    Those are contractor numbers, you can probably 
do it cheaper on labor with your own crew. The $0.60/ft is probably 
good anywhere for material.

Mark


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Anyone have a rule of thumb for aerial construction costs?
I know underground costs pretty well but it has been years since I 
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Re: [AFMUG] So much for that...

[Robert]

And at the same time utterly cutthroat..   Old school biz and not one 
bit dedicated in staying that way other than the good biz parts..   Do 
not go _near_ their radio stuff without permission...


On 9/28/18 1:54 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Oh and by the way, my short experience taught me a great deal about UPR. 
What I learned is that they are a fantastic company in all respects. 
Everyone I dealt with was knowledgeable, very competent, and just really 
great to work with. I have no doubt if they have the will to succeed as 
a WISP they would. They may have decided they don't have the will.


On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 3:51 PM Lewis Bergman > wrote:


I have insight I cannot divulge due to an NDA. I think it is safe to
say they were using more than 3.65. Being UPR it wouldn't be a
violation to state that they have a deep corporate culture since
they are an enormous company.

This is purely speculation, but it may be that they successfully
determined what they wanted to know. So in that respect, if it is
true they are shutting down, they may have decided that the
miniscule profit turned by even a wildly successful WISP is a
fraction of a drop in the bucket in comparison to the kind of money
they make in a month. If you have ever looked at their SEC filings
you know what I mean. In the end, it may have served as more of a
distraction than anything else. All of that is purely speculation as
I was only involved in the pre deployment stage.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 11:09 AM Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>> wrote:

They sure did have grand plans, but I think their approach was a
little too corporate based on the RFQ I saw a year and a half ago.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:26 AM Jon Langeler
mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>>
wrote:

It’s probably an over the air data rate advertised on the box.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Sep 28, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


Strange, I never heard of them before.

__ __

“The company’s service cost between $50 and $90 for
download speeds of up to 58 Mbps, using spectrum in the
licensed 3650-3700 MHz range.”

__ __

58 Mbps is a lot in a band with a total of 50 MHz and
where channel size is typically 10 MHz.  It’s also a
strangely specific speed.

__ __

__ __

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 7:51 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] So much for that...

__ __


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Re: [AFMUG] neobits

[Mathew Howard]

I think I've ordered stuff from them once or twice when it was an odd item,
and I found it through Google... I have no idea who they are, but they seem
to sell a pretty wide range of products. My guess is that they probably
drop ship from when of your distributors, and they just list everything
that distributor carries.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:21 PM  wrote:

> Whoever runs it is probably an acquaintance.  I feel bad for not remember
> who they are.
>
> *From:* Trey Scarborough
> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 3:05 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] neobits
>
>
> yes they are a cambium "var" out of Colorado I am pretty sure. I have
> worked with a company that used them in the past. Lets say this doesn't
> surprise me.
>
> On 9/28/2018 3:23 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Anyone know who these guys are?
>
> One of their customers called wondering about their drop shipment of a
> discontinued antenna.
>
> I told the nice lady I don’t know them, not sure why they are promising
> the drop shipment of a discontinued item.
>
> She called LMG and was told that item is no longer available.
>
> I told her LMG gave her good info and that Neobits is not a distributor of
> our products.
>
> The name vaguely rings a bell.  I probably know them but cannot place them
> in memory.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

[castarritt]

I hope they used a coated rod for that.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:03 PM Trey Scarborough  wrote:

> the worst are frozen duct and duct with mice in it. I have even heard
> people using a sewage duct before.
>
> On 9/28/2018 10:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> This can go so many ways (plugged duct, buried duct, duct hidden in
> the grass, wrong duct)
>
> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 9:56 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding
>
> Wouldn't it depend on if the hole it's going into is wet or not?
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 11:37 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Do you use lube on the rod?
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 9:30 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding
>>
>>
>> See, posts like that are the reason you have tons of new people signing
>> up for the list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Once they find out it’s not a forum for people who want their rod larger
>> and longer, or to find the best lubes, they will unsubscribe.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 10:19 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you ever wish you had gotten something larger than 1/4”?  Or longer?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 7:18 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding
>>
>>
>>
>> 7/16" is pretty stout.  Toneable is a must.  We have a 500' 1/4" one, and
>> we wish it was toneable all the time...we currently pull back detectable
>> (toneable) muletape when we get a call to mark empty duct.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:00 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have opinions about diameters and lengths of duct rodders.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am buying a new one and I think I am going to go with 600’ long 7/16”
>> dia toneable.
>>
>> Generally when I have been rodding it has been for shorter distances.
>>
>> But sometime you have to go a long distance.  I personally have never
>> done a long distance with a rodder.
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Re: [AFMUG] neobits

[chuck]

Whoever runs it is probably an acquaintance.  I feel bad for not remember who 
they are.  

From: Trey Scarborough 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 3:05 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] neobits

yes they are a cambium "var" out of Colorado I am pretty sure. I have worked 
with a company that used them in the past. Lets say this doesn't surprise me.




On 9/28/2018 3:23 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Anyone know who these guys are?

  One of their customers called wondering about their drop shipment of a 
discontinued antenna.

  I told the nice lady I don’t know them, not sure why they are promising the 
drop shipment of a discontinued item.

  She called LMG and was told that item is no longer available.  

  I told her LMG gave her good info and that Neobits is not a distributor of 
our products.

  The name vaguely rings a bell.  I probably know them but cannot place them in 
memory. 

   



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Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

[chuck]

Last time I poured water down a duct and hit it with air, my wife had parked 
our car about 30’ away from the discharge end.  I told her she might want to 
roll up her window.  Whole car looked like it had been dipped in pudding after 
all the gunk finally cleared.  

From: Trey Scarborough 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 3:02 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

the worst are frozen duct and duct with mice in it. I have even heard people 
using a sewage duct before.




On 9/28/2018 10:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  This can go so many ways (plugged duct, buried duct, duct hidden in the 
grass, wrong duct)

  From: can...@believewireless.net 
  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 9:56 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

  Wouldn't it depend on if the hole it's going into is wet or not?

  On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 11:37 AM,  wrote:

Do you use lube on the rod?

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 9:30 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

See, posts like that are the reason you have tons of new people signing up 
for the list.



Once they find out it’s not a forum for people who want their rod larger 
and longer, or to find the best lubes, they will unsubscribe.





From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 10:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding



Do you ever wish you had gotten something larger than 1/4”?  Or longer?



From: Chuck Hogg 

Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 7:18 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding



7/16" is pretty stout.  Toneable is a must.  We have a 500' 1/4" one, and 
we wish it was toneable all the time...we currently pull back detectable 
(toneable) muletape when we get a call to mark empty duct.



On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:00 PM  wrote:

  Anyone have opinions about diameters and lengths of duct rodders.



  I am buying a new one and I think I am going to go with 600’ long 7/16” 
dia toneable.  

  Generally when I have been rodding it has been for shorter distances.  

  But sometime you have to go a long distance.  I personally have never 
done a long distance with a rodder.  

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Re: [AFMUG] neobits

[Trey Scarborough]

yes they are a cambium "var" out of Colorado I am pretty sure. I have 
worked with a company that used them in the past. Lets say this doesn't 
surprise me.



On 9/28/2018 3:23 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Anyone know who these guys are?
One of their customers called wondering about their drop shipment of a 
discontinued antenna.
I told the nice lady I don’t know them, not sure why they are 
promising the drop shipment of a discontinued item.

She called LMG and was told that item is no longer available.
I told her LMG gave her good info and that Neobits is not a 
distributor of our products.
The name vaguely rings a bell.  I probably know them but cannot place 
them in memory.





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Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

[Trey Scarborough]

the worst are frozen duct and duct with mice in it. I have even heard 
people using a sewage duct before.



On 9/28/2018 10:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
This can go so many ways (plugged duct, buried duct, duct hidden 
in the grass, wrong duct)

*From:* can...@believewireless.net
*Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 9:56 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding
Wouldn't it depend on if the hole it's going into is wet or not?
On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 11:37 AM,  wrote:

Do you use lube on the rod?
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 9:30 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

See, posts like that are the reason you have tons of new people
signing up for the list.

Once they find out it’s not a forum for people who want their rod
larger and longer, or to find the best lubes, they will unsubscribe.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 10:19 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

Do you ever wish you had gotten something larger than 1/4”?  Or
longer?

*From:*Chuck Hogg

*Sent:*Friday, September 28, 2018 7:18 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

7/16" is pretty stout.  Toneable is a must.  We have a 500' 1/4"
one, and we wish it was toneable all the time...we currently pull
back detectable (toneable) muletape when we get a call to mark
empty duct.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:00 PM  wrote:

Anyone have opinions about diameters and lengths of duct rodders.

I am buying a new one and I think I am going to go with 600’
long 7/16” dia toneable.

Generally when I have been rodding it has been for shorter
distances.

But sometime you have to go a long distance.  I personally
have never done a long distance with a rodder.

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Re: [AFMUG] So much for that...

[Lewis Bergman]

Oh and by the way, my short experience taught me a great deal about UPR.
What I learned is that they are a fantastic company in all respects.
Everyone I dealt with was knowledgeable, very competent, and just really
great to work with. I have no doubt if they have the will to succeed as a
WISP they would. They may have decided they don't have the will.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 3:51 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I have insight I cannot divulge due to an NDA. I think it is safe to say
> they were using more than 3.65. Being UPR it wouldn't be a violation to
> state that they have a deep corporate culture since they are an enormous
> company.
>
> This is purely speculation, but it may be that they successfully
> determined what they wanted to know. So in that respect, if it is true they
> are shutting down, they may have decided that the miniscule profit turned
> by even a wildly successful WISP is a fraction of a drop in the bucket in
> comparison to the kind of money they make in a month. If you have ever
> looked at their SEC filings you know what I mean. In the end, it may have
> served as more of a distraction than anything else. All of that is purely
> speculation as I was only involved in the pre deployment stage.
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 11:09 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> They sure did have grand plans, but I think their approach was a little
>> too corporate based on the RFQ I saw a year and a half ago.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:26 AM Jon Langeler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It’s probably an over the air data rate advertised on the box.
>>>
>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> Strange, I never heard of them before.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “The company’s service cost between $50 and $90 for download speeds of
>>> up to 58 Mbps, using spectrum in the licensed 3650-3700 MHz range.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 58 Mbps is a lot in a band with a total of 50 MHz and where channel size
>>> is typically 10 MHz.  It’s also a strangely specific speed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 7:51 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] So much for that...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/breeze-broadband-to-discontinue-fixed-wireless-internet-service
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
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>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] So much for that...

[Lewis Bergman]

I have insight I cannot divulge due to an NDA. I think it is safe to say
they were using more than 3.65. Being UPR it wouldn't be a violation to
state that they have a deep corporate culture since they are an enormous
company.

This is purely speculation, but it may be that they successfully determined
what they wanted to know. So in that respect, if it is true they are
shutting down, they may have decided that the miniscule profit turned by
even a wildly successful WISP is a fraction of a drop in the bucket in
comparison to the kind of money they make in a month. If you have ever
looked at their SEC filings you know what I mean. In the end, it may have
served as more of a distraction than anything else. All of that is purely
speculation as I was only involved in the pre deployment stage.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 11:09 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> They sure did have grand plans, but I think their approach was a little
> too corporate based on the RFQ I saw a year and a half ago.
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:26 AM Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
>> It’s probably an over the air data rate advertised on the box.
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Strange, I never heard of them before.
>>
>>
>>
>> “The company’s service cost between $50 and $90 for download speeds of
>> up to 58 Mbps, using spectrum in the licensed 3650-3700 MHz range.”
>>
>>
>>
>> 58 Mbps is a lot in a band with a total of 50 MHz and where channel size
>> is typically 10 MHz.  It’s also a strangely specific speed.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 7:51 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] So much for that...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/breeze-broadband-to-discontinue-fixed-wireless-internet-service
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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[AFMUG] neobits

[chuck]

Anyone know who these guys are?

One of their customers called wondering about their drop shipment of a 
discontinued antenna.

I told the nice lady I don’t know them, not sure why they are promising the 
drop shipment of a discontinued item.

She called LMG and was told that item is no longer available.  

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products.

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Re: [AFMUG] request services of the hive mind - windows active directory ? group policy?

[Steve Jones]

if you didnt make the change then its hijacked
make sure your .\ logging in for the local admin account if thats what
youre trying for
you can also reset some sids with any of the boot managers but i hate using
those on domain machines, especially servers
If the server isnt critical in this state, may just be quicker to wipe and
reinstall

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:08 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> This is windows / active directory.  Any advice is welcome -
>
> New problem that showed up after a recent external IT audit OR a security
> update (not sure which). This applies only to the built in administrator
> account on the domain - and only to the server (no other computers on the
> domain). The administrator account has been renamed (it is now acsad). The
> error is : The system administrator has restricted the types of logon
> (network or interactive) that you may use. For assistance, contact your sys
> admin or tech support (thanks ms).
>
> The inability to use this account is also causing us to not be able to use
> other programs on the server that use this account - such as
> patchmanagerplus and trend micro's security.
>
> We have looked in group policy - made sure security policy - user rights
> assignment that the administrators account and remote desktop users have
> been added. We've also compared the settings on this server to another
> server we manage at another location (where all works) - the settings are
> the same so i don't think THIS is where our problem is.
>
> I'm thinking it has to do with a setting on THIS server computer. Again, I
> can use the admin credentials to login to computers elsewhere on the
> domain. The account just seems to be throwing this error when trying to
> login to the server. Getting this error on remote desktop.
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[AFMUG] request services of the hive mind - windows active directory ? group policy?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

This is windows / active directory.  Any advice is welcome - 

New problem that showed up after a recent external IT audit OR a security 
update (not sure which). This applies only to the built in administrator 
account on the domain - and only to the server (no other computers on the 
domain). The administrator account has been renamed (it is now acsad). The 
error is : The system administrator has restricted the types of logon (network 
or interactive) that you may use. For assistance, contact your sys admin or 
tech support (thanks ms).

The inability to use this account is also causing us to not be able to use 
other programs on the server that use this account - such as patchmanagerplus 
and trend micro's security.

We have looked in group policy - made sure security policy - user rights 
assignment that the administrators account and remote desktop users have been 
added. We've also compared the settings on this server to another server we 
manage at another location (where all works) - the settings are the same so i 
don't think THIS is where our problem is.

I'm thinking it has to do with a setting on THIS server computer. Again, I can 
use the admin credentials to login to computers elsewhere on the domain. The 
account just seems to be throwing this error when trying to login to the 
server. Getting this error on remote desktop.

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Re: [AFMUG] FS: loads of PMP320 WiMAX CPEs and 900mhz 17dbi yagis

[Colin Stanners]

The usual PMP450 3.65Ghz, and in some cases PMP450I 900mhz.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:46 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> What did you upgrade to?
>
> Sent from my smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Colin Stanners" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] FS: loads of PMP320 WiMAX CPEs and 900mhz 17dbi yagis
> Date: Fri, Sep 28, 2018 12:04 PM
>
> We're clearing used stock from upgrades:
>
> * Cambium PMP320 3630SM 3.65Ghz WiMAX CPEs, used: 100+ available, good
> pricing, depends on qty
>
> * 802.3AF PoE injectors, used with the above, ether PowerDsine 3001 or
> Phihong POE16U-480: many available, new and used.
>
> * 900mhz 17dbi single-polarity yagis, either M2 or KPPerformance, used:
> hundreds available, good pricing, depends on qty.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] aerial costs

[chuck]

The job I am working on, the city owns the poles and they want the work done.  
So I am presuming they will do make ready.  That is how I will quote it.  

From: Clint Wiley 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 12:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] aerial costs

Don’t forget make ready costs. 

Thanks,
_
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Hagerstown Fiber Internet 


  On Sep 28, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

  Not sure how labor costs are in Utah, but it’s a safe number in Ohio.   I 
don’t think your labor costs should be significantly different. 

  Mark



On Sep 28, 2018, at 1:30 PM,   wrote:

Thanks

So if I add $1 for fiber, $3.20/foot could be a good figure?

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 10:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] aerial costs

labor at $1.60/ft, material (hangers, strand, anchors, etc. but not fiber) 
at $0.60/ft.Those are contractor numbers, you can probably do it cheaper on 
labor with your own crew.   The $0.60/ft is probably good anywhere for 
material. 

Mark



  On Sep 28, 2018, at 12:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Anyone have a rule of thumb for aerial construction costs?
  I know underground costs pretty well but it has been years since I did an 
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Re: [AFMUG] aerial costs

[Clint Wiley]

Don’t forget make ready costs.

Thanks,
_
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Hagerstown Fiber Internet

On Sep 28, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:

Not sure how labor costs are in Utah, but it’s a safe number in Ohio.   I don’t 
think your labor costs should be significantly different.

Mark

On Sep 28, 2018, at 1:30 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Thanks

So if I add $1 for fiber, $3.20/foot could be a good figure?

From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 10:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] aerial costs

labor at $1.60/ft, material (hangers, strand, anchors, etc. but not fiber) at 
$0.60/ft.Those are contractor numbers, you can probably do it cheaper on 
labor with your own crew.   The $0.60/ft is probably good anywhere for material.

Mark

On Sep 28, 2018, at 12:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Anyone have a rule of thumb for aerial construction costs?
I know underground costs pretty well but it has been years since I did an 
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Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

[Mark Radabaugh]

Only when I’m working alone.

Mark

> On Sep 28, 2018, at 11:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> Do you use lube on the rod?
>  
> From: Ken Hohhof <>
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 9:30 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding
>  
> See, posts like that are the reason you have tons of new people signing up 
> for the list.
>  
> Once they find out it’s not a forum for people who want their rod larger and 
> longer, or to find the best lubes, they will unsubscribe.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 10:19 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding
>  
> Do you ever wish you had gotten something larger than 1/4”?  Or longer?
>  
> From: Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 7:18 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding
>  
> 7/16" is pretty stout.  Toneable is a must.  We have a 500' 1/4" one, and we 
> wish it was toneable all the time...we currently pull back detectable 
> (toneable) muletape when we get a call to mark empty duct.
>  
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:00 PM > wrote:
>> Anyone have opinions about diameters and lengths of duct rodders.
>>  
>> I am buying a new one and I think I am going to go with 600’ long 7/16” dia 
>> toneable. 
>> Generally when I have been rodding it has been for shorter distances. 
>> But sometime you have to go a long distance.  I personally have never done a 
>> long distance with a rodder. 
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Re: [AFMUG] aerial costs

[chuck]

Thanks

So if I add $1 for fiber, $3.20/foot could be a good figure?

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 10:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] aerial costs

labor at $1.60/ft, material (hangers, strand, anchors, etc. but not fiber) at 
$0.60/ft.Those are contractor numbers, you can probably do it cheaper on 
labor with your own crew.   The $0.60/ft is probably good anywhere for 
material. 

Mark



  On Sep 28, 2018, at 12:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Anyone have a rule of thumb for aerial construction costs?
  I know underground costs pretty well but it has been years since I did an 
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[AFMUG] FS: loads of PMP320 WiMAX CPEs and 900mhz 17dbi yagis

[Colin Stanners]

We're clearing used stock from upgrades:

* Cambium PMP320 3630SM 3.65Ghz WiMAX CPEs, used: 100+ available, good
pricing, depends on qty

* 802.3AF PoE injectors, used with the above, ether PowerDsine 3001 or
Phihong POE16U-480: many available, new and used.

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Re: [AFMUG] aerial costs

[Mark Radabaugh]

labor at $1.60/ft, material (hangers, strand, anchors, etc. but not fiber) at 
$0.60/ft.Those are contractor numbers, you can probably do it cheaper on 
labor with your own crew.   The $0.60/ft is probably good anywhere for material.

Mark

> On Sep 28, 2018, at 12:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> Anyone have a rule of thumb for aerial construction costs?
> I know underground costs pretty well but it has been years since I did an 
> aerial project. 
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[AFMUG] aerial costs

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Re: [AFMUG] So much for that...

[Cameron Crum]

They sure did have grand plans, but I think their approach was a little too
corporate based on the RFQ I saw a year and a half ago.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:26 AM Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> It’s probably an over the air data rate advertised on the box.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Strange, I never heard of them before.
>
>
>
> “The company’s service cost between $50 and $90 for download speeds of up
> to 58 Mbps, using spectrum in the licensed 3650-3700 MHz range.”
>
>
>
> 58 Mbps is a lot in a band with a total of 50 MHz and where channel size
> is typically 10 MHz.  It’s also a strangely specific speed.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 7:51 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] So much for that...
>
>
>
>
> https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/breeze-broadband-to-discontinue-fixed-wireless-internet-service
>
>
>
>
>
> -
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

[chuck]

This can go so many ways (plugged duct, buried duct, duct hidden in the 
grass, wrong duct)

From: can...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 9:56 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

Wouldn't it depend on if the hole it's going into is wet or not?

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 11:37 AM,  wrote:

  Do you use lube on the rod?

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 9:30 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

  See, posts like that are the reason you have tons of new people signing up 
for the list.



  Once they find out it’s not a forum for people who want their rod larger and 
longer, or to find the best lubes, they will unsubscribe.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 10:19 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding



  Do you ever wish you had gotten something larger than 1/4”?  Or longer?



  From: Chuck Hogg 

  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 7:18 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding



  7/16" is pretty stout.  Toneable is a must.  We have a 500' 1/4" one, and we 
wish it was toneable all the time...we currently pull back detectable 
(toneable) muletape when we get a call to mark empty duct.



  On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:00 PM  wrote:

Anyone have opinions about diameters and lengths of duct rodders.



I am buying a new one and I think I am going to go with 600’ long 7/16” dia 
toneable.  

Generally when I have been rodding it has been for shorter distances.  

But sometime you have to go a long distance.  I personally have never done 
a long distance with a rodder.  

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Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

[can...@believewireless.net]

Wouldn't it depend on if the hole it's going into is wet or not?

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 11:37 AM,  wrote:

> Do you use lube on the rod?
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 9:30 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding
>
>
> See, posts like that are the reason you have tons of new people signing up
> for the list.
>
>
>
> Once they find out it’s not a forum for people who want their rod larger
> and longer, or to find the best lubes, they will unsubscribe.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 10:19 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding
>
>
>
> Do you ever wish you had gotten something larger than 1/4”?  Or longer?
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 7:18 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding
>
>
>
> 7/16" is pretty stout.  Toneable is a must.  We have a 500' 1/4" one, and
> we wish it was toneable all the time...we currently pull back detectable
> (toneable) muletape when we get a call to mark empty duct.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:00 PM  wrote:
>
> Anyone have opinions about diameters and lengths of duct rodders.
>
>
>
> I am buying a new one and I think I am going to go with 600’ long 7/16”
> dia toneable.
>
> Generally when I have been rodding it has been for shorter distances.
>
> But sometime you have to go a long distance.  I personally have never done
> a long distance with a rodder.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] fresh meat

[chuck]

As long as Natalie Wood will dance with me, I will join whichever gang will 
make that happen.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 9:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fresh meat

better be jets, cause sharks are nobodies 


when youre a jet youre a jet all the way ...

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:28 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Well, judging from the list of people Facebook keeps presenting me as “People 
you may know”, I have a posse of total strangers.





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  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 10:07 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] fresh meat



  A rash of new subscribers to the list this morning for some reason.  



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Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

[chuck]

Do you use lube on the rod?

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 9:30 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

See, posts like that are the reason you have tons of new people signing up for 
the list.

 

Once they find out it’s not a forum for people who want their rod larger and 
longer, or to find the best lubes, they will unsubscribe.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 10:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

 

Do you ever wish you had gotten something larger than 1/4”?  Or longer?

 

From: Chuck Hogg 

Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 7:18 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

 

7/16" is pretty stout.  Toneable is a must.  We have a 500' 1/4" one, and we 
wish it was toneable all the time...we currently pull back detectable 
(toneable) muletape when we get a call to mark empty duct.

 

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:00 PM  wrote:

  Anyone have opinions about diameters and lengths of duct rodders.

   

  I am buying a new one and I think I am going to go with 600’ long 7/16” dia 
toneable.  

  Generally when I have been rodding it has been for shorter distances.  

  But sometime you have to go a long distance.  I personally have never done a 
long distance with a rodder.  

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Re: [AFMUG] fresh meat

[Steve Jones]

better be jets, cause sharks are nobodies


when youre a jet youre a jet all the way ...

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:28 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Well, judging from the list of people Facebook keeps presenting me as
> “People you may know”, I have a posse of total strangers.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2018 10:07 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] fresh meat
>
>
>
> A rash of new subscribers to the list this morning for some reason.
>
>
>
> See, Ken comes back and brings his whole posse!
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Re: [AFMUG] fresh meat

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Rodizio anyone?


bp



On 9/28/2018 8:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  A rash of new subscribers to the list this morning for
some reason.  
   
  See, Ken comes back and brings his whole posse!

  
  
  
  


  


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Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

[Ken Hohhof]

See, posts like that are the reason you have tons of new people signing up for 
the list.

 

Once they find out it’s not a forum for people who want their rod larger and 
longer, or to find the best lubes, they will unsubscribe.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 10:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

 

Do you ever wish you had gotten something larger than 1/4”?  Or longer?

 

From: Chuck Hogg 

Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 7:18 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

 

7/16" is pretty stout.  Toneable is a must.  We have a 500' 1/4" one, and we 
wish it was toneable all the time...we currently pull back detectable 
(toneable) muletape when we get a call to mark empty duct.

 

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:00 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Anyone have opinions about diameters and lengths of duct rodders.

 

I am buying a new one and I think I am going to go with 600’ long 7/16” dia 
toneable.  

Generally when I have been rodding it has been for shorter distances.  

But sometime you have to go a long distance.  I personally have never done a 
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Re: [AFMUG] fresh meat

[Ken Hohhof]

Well, judging from the list of people Facebook keeps presenting me as
"People you may know", I have a posse of total strangers.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 10:07 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] fresh meat

 

A rash of new subscribers to the list this morning for some reason.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

[chuck]

Do you ever wish you had gotten something larger than 1/4”?  Or longer?

From: Chuck Hogg 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 7:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

7/16" is pretty stout.  Toneable is a must.  We have a 500' 1/4" one, and we 
wish it was toneable all the time...we currently pull back detectable 
(toneable) muletape when we get a call to mark empty duct.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:00 PM  wrote:

  Anyone have opinions about diameters and lengths of duct rodders.

  I am buying a new one and I think I am going to go with 600’ long 7/16” dia 
toneable.  
  Generally when I have been rodding it has been for shorter distances.  
  But sometime you have to go a long distance.  I personally have never done a 
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[AFMUG] fresh meat

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Re: [AFMUG] So much for that...

[Jon Langeler]

It’s probably an over the air data rate advertised on the box.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Sep 28, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Strange, I never heard of them before.
>  
> “The company’s service cost between $50 and $90 for download speeds of up to 
> 58 Mbps, using spectrum in the licensed 3650-3700 MHz range.”
>  
> 58 Mbps is a lot in a band with a total of 50 MHz and where channel size is 
> typically 10 MHz.  It’s also a strangely specific speed.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 7:51 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] So much for that...
>  
> https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/breeze-broadband-to-discontinue-fixed-wireless-internet-service
>  
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] So much for that...

[Ken Hohhof]

Strange, I never heard of them before.

 

“The company’s service cost between $50 and $90 for download speeds of up to 58 
Mbps, using spectrum in the licensed 3650-3700 MHz range.”

 

58 Mbps is a lot in a band with a total of 50 MHz and where channel size is 
typically 10 MHz.  It’s also a strangely specific speed.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 7:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] So much for that...

 

https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/breeze-broadband-to-discontinue-fixed-wireless-internet-service

 



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Re: [AFMUG] duct rodding

[Chuck Hogg]

7/16" is pretty stout.  Toneable is a must.  We have a 500' 1/4" one, and
we wish it was toneable all the time...we currently pull back detectable
(toneable) muletape when we get a call to mark empty duct.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:00 PM  wrote:

> Anyone have opinions about diameters and lengths of duct rodders.
>
> I am buying a new one and I think I am going to go with 600’ long 7/16”
> dia toneable.
> Generally when I have been rodding it has been for shorter distances.
> But sometime you have to go a long distance.  I personally have never done
> a long distance with a rodder.
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[AFMUG] So much for that...

[Mike Hammett]

https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/breeze-broadband-to-discontinue-fixed-wireless-internet-service
 



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