Re: [AFMUG] Verizon 5G

[Jason McKemie]

I think they're going to sour on that business model fairly quickly - they
have in the past.

They've really gotten to the media on this, they're billing it as "world
changing" 

On Monday, October 1, 2018, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 10/1/18 6:16 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>
>> On 10/1/18 6:08 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>>> It's not going to be used outside of urban areas, especially since
>>> they're probably doing a self-installed CPE. Curious to see how long the
>>> speeds/unlimited data plans last as well.
>>>
>>
>> Oh, for sure. I really wonder though how well it's going to do inside at
>> those frequencies or if they're going to try the outside mounted unit again
>> (or have that for an option).
>>
>
>
> Looks like they are going to do outside installs depending on location,
> and it will be installed by a tech, not self installed.
>
> https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/5g-home-installation-faqs/
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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon 5G

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/1/18 6:16 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 10/1/18 6:08 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It's not going to be used outside of urban areas, especially since 
they're probably doing a self-installed CPE. Curious to see how long 
the speeds/unlimited data plans last as well.


Oh, for sure. I really wonder though how well it's going to do inside at 
those frequencies or if they're going to try the outside mounted unit 
again (or have that for an option).



Looks like they are going to do outside installs depending on location, 
and it will be installed by a tech, not self installed.


https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/5g-home-installation-faqs/

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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon 5G

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/1/18 6:08 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It's not going to be used outside of urban areas, especially since 
they're probably doing a self-installed CPE. Curious to see how long the 
speeds/unlimited data plans last as well.


Oh, for sure. I really wonder though how well it's going to do inside at 
those frequencies or if they're going to try the outside mounted unit 
again (or have that for an option).


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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon 5G

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/1/18 3:08 PM, Dave wrote:

For those in houston and other populous areas.
Also, We all hope it make them Pools and pools of moneys




I've seen them replacing their gear in Reno, it's not going to stay in 
the big cities for long since they recently got all of that 28/39GHz 
nationwide.


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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon 5G

[Dave]

For those in houston and other populous areas.
Also, We all hope it make them Pools and pools of moneys


On 10/01/2018 02:59 PM, Robert wrote:

This could be serious...

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/10/01/verizon-5g-home-internet-launches/



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Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

[Erich Kaiser]

You can use UNMS and/ or their integrated web interface.


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On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:04 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Do the aircubes work with the Unifi cloud interface for management?
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 12:56 PM Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> We were using the Air Cube ACs also on Ubiquiti installations and the
>> Mimosa G2s on Mimosa installations specifically because of the repeater
>> abilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 1, 2018 9:05 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes
>>
>>
>>
>> We use the Ubiquiti AirCube AC and add an additional unit in repeater
>> mode if needed.  So far they are working great got about 40 in the field.
>> They are also our POE source going forward, for ubiquiti radios and fiber
>> ONU.  All managed through UNMS.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:30 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Been having a lot of customers lately calling about poor wifi coverage, I
>> always install the router in a prime location in house and when digging
>> into details further finding out that they are trying to use the wifi
>> outside, or by the pool or in the garage. What is everyone doing to
>> accommodate these peoples requests? Add another Mikrotik AP and charge
>> additional $10/month for each extra AP's? I want to offer a solution but at
>> the same time make it worth my time dealing with them. Seems to me i should
>> be walking away with minimum $500 for getting flawless wifi coverage in
>> their house plus more monthly fee.
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[AFMUG] Verizon 5G

[Robert]

This could be serious...

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/10/01/verizon-5g-home-internet-launches/

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Re: [AFMUG] lc sc connectors

[Carl Peterson]

I'd vote for just Duplex LC footprint.  Same as Simplex SC.  Yes, you can
plug two simplex LC into a duplex SC coupler.

My only request would be for enough space on either side to be able to get
a mechanical SC in.  Not 100% needed but if you can do it it would really
help.  It is hard to find outdoor armored patch cables without a breakout
on one end so sometimes we just do a mechanical on 3mm drop cable.

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 8:45 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Most of the time the duplex connectors are two 1 strand 1 connector with a
> plastic piece that puts the two together.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 6:58 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
>> Typically sure with a coupler. Most of the time you can separate the
>> duplex LC pigtails as well. There’s a small clip
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> Can you plug a single LC into a duplex LC connector?
>>
>> *From:* Trey Scarborough
>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 29, 2018 4:06 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] lc sc connectors
>>
>>
>> I would say there is a standard dimension square hole that can either be
>> one SC or duplex LC and is the only thing I would think ever be needed. You
>> can always add your own then.
>>
>> On 9/29/2018 12:31 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> I guess another way to ask is, what connectors are people likely to want
>> in something like this?
>> Once I get a feel for that, then I will buy them and design the holder
>> around them.
>>
>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:12 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* lc sc connectors
>>
>> Can you use a double connector to join single jumpers?  I have never
>> tried.
>>
>> Working on a combo DC surge suppressor with fiber storage and a place for
>> the fiber connectors.  I will have to have some sheet metal holders for the
>> mini patch panel and am working out how many different cut out holes I will
>> have to offer to cover all the potential uses.  If I have one that will do
>> two double LC connectors and a second option for two double SC, will that
>> take care of most applications?
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

[Carl Peterson]

Can anyone publicly r privately share Consumer what Consumer connect
roughly costs per sub?

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 2:01 PM Sorin Esanu  wrote:

> It is not really required for 844E alone, but you need it for 844E+804Mesh.
>
>
> On 1 Oct 2018, at 21:57, Carl Peterson  wrote:
>
> For people using 844Es and 804 Mesh units.  Are you using Consumer Connect
> for the Gigacenters?  Is it required to be able to manage the mesh units?
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:44 PM Craig Schmaderer 
> wrote:
>
>> We are using the Calix 844e as well.  I charge $10 for managed router,
>> probably above 80% take rate.  If we determine that the house needs a 804
>> mesh or if they have problem issues with just include it in the $10 they
>> are already paying.  So far I would say 1 out of 20 gets an 804.  Hopefully
>> it stays that way or I might start maybe adding on a $50 setup or something
>> to get part of the 804 back.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 1, 2018 1:03 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes
>>
>>
>>
>> Do the aircubes work with the Unifi cloud interface for management?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 12:56 PM Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We were using the Air Cube ACs also on Ubiquiti installations and the
>> Mimosa G2s on Mimosa installations specifically because of the repeater
>> abilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 1, 2018 9:05 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes
>>
>>
>>
>> We use the Ubiquiti AirCube AC and add an additional unit in repeater
>> mode if needed.  So far they are working great got about 40 in the field.
>> They are also our POE source going forward, for ubiquiti radios and fiber
>> ONU.  All managed through UNMS.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:30 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Been having a lot of customers lately calling about poor wifi coverage, I
>> always install the router in a prime location in house and when digging
>> into details further finding out that they are trying to use the wifi
>> outside, or by the pool or in the garage. What is everyone doing to
>> accommodate these peoples requests? Add another Mikrotik AP and charge
>> additional $10/month for each extra AP's? I want to offer a solution but at
>> the same time make it worth my time dealing with them. Seems to me i should
>> be walking away with minimum $500 for getting flawless wifi coverage in
>> their house plus more monthly fee.
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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for advanced edge router class

[Dave]

+1 billion


On 09/30/2018 11:42 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
Tell the boss it won't all work in edgeos. It has nowhere near the 
feature set of Mikrotik.


I don't kmow of any wisp using edgeos but I know tons that use 
Mikrotik so that has to mean something.


On Sun, Sep 30, 2018, 12:00 PM Timothy Steele 
mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I need to learn how to distribute Plublic IP's via proxy Arp,
OSPF, BGP and putting towers in router mode with Edge OS

Yes this is much more simple with mikrotik but boss wants this all
done in EdgeOS

Anyone know of a class on this or at least a consultant that would
make some config files?
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Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

[Sorin Esanu]

It is not really required for 844E alone, but you need it for 844E+804Mesh.


> On 1 Oct 2018, at 21:57, Carl Peterson  wrote:
> 
> For people using 844Es and 804 Mesh units.  Are you using Consumer Connect 
> for the Gigacenters?  Is it required to be able to manage the mesh units?  
> 
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:44 PM Craig Schmaderer  > wrote:
> We are using the Calix 844e as well.  I charge $10 for managed router, 
> probably above 80% take rate.  If we determine that the house needs a 804 
> mesh or if they have problem issues with just include it in the $10 they are 
> already paying.  So far I would say 1 out of 20 gets an 804.  Hopefully it 
> stays that way or I might start maybe adding on a $50 setup or something to 
> get part of the 804 back. 
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes
> 
>  
> 
> Do the aircubes work with the Unifi cloud interface for management?
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 12:56 PM Rory Conaway  > wrote:
> 
> We were using the Air Cube ACs also on Ubiquiti installations and the Mimosa 
> G2s on Mimosa installations specifically because of the repeater abilities.
> 
>  
> 
> Rory
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
> Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 9:05 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes
> 
>  
> 
> We use the Ubiquiti AirCube AC and add an additional unit in repeater mode if 
> needed.  So far they are working great got about 40 in the field.  They are 
> also our POE source going forward, for ubiquiti radios and fiber ONU.  All 
> managed through UNMS.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:30 AM Kurt Fankhauser  > wrote:
> 
> Been having a lot of customers lately calling about poor wifi coverage, I 
> always install the router in a prime location in house and when digging into 
> details further finding out that they are trying to use the wifi outside, or 
> by the pool or in the garage. What is everyone doing to accommodate these 
> peoples requests? Add another Mikrotik AP and charge additional $10/month for 
> each extra AP's? I want to offer a solution but at the same time make it 
> worth my time dealing with them. Seems to me i should be walking away with 
> minimum $500 for getting flawless wifi coverage in their house plus more 
> monthly fee.
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Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

[Carl Peterson]

For people using 844Es and 804 Mesh units.  Are you using Consumer Connect
for the Gigacenters?  Is it required to be able to manage the mesh units?

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:44 PM Craig Schmaderer 
wrote:

> We are using the Calix 844e as well.  I charge $10 for managed router,
> probably above 80% take rate.  If we determine that the house needs a 804
> mesh or if they have problem issues with just include it in the $10 they
> are already paying.  So far I would say 1 out of 20 gets an 804.  Hopefully
> it stays that way or I might start maybe adding on a $50 setup or something
> to get part of the 804 back.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Monday, October 1, 2018 1:03 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes
>
>
>
> Do the aircubes work with the Unifi cloud interface for management?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 12:56 PM Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> We were using the Air Cube ACs also on Ubiquiti installations and the
> Mimosa G2s on Mimosa installations specifically because of the repeater
> abilities.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser
> *Sent:* Monday, October 1, 2018 9:05 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes
>
>
>
> We use the Ubiquiti AirCube AC and add an additional unit in repeater mode
> if needed.  So far they are working great got about 40 in the field.  They
> are also our POE source going forward, for ubiquiti radios and fiber ONU.
> All managed through UNMS.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:30 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Been having a lot of customers lately calling about poor wifi coverage, I
> always install the router in a prime location in house and when digging
> into details further finding out that they are trying to use the wifi
> outside, or by the pool or in the garage. What is everyone doing to
> accommodate these peoples requests? Add another Mikrotik AP and charge
> additional $10/month for each extra AP's? I want to offer a solution but at
> the same time make it worth my time dealing with them. Seems to me i should
> be walking away with minimum $500 for getting flawless wifi coverage in
> their house plus more monthly fee.
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Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

[Craig Schmaderer]

We are using the Calix 844e as well.  I charge $10 for managed router, probably 
above 80% take rate.  If we determine that the house needs a 804 mesh or if 
they have problem issues with just include it in the $10 they are already 
paying.  So far I would say 1 out of 20 gets an 804.  Hopefully it stays that 
way or I might start maybe adding on a $50 setup or something to get part of 
the 804 back.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 1:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

Do the aircubes work with the Unifi cloud interface for management?

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 12:56 PM Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
We were using the Air Cube ACs also on Ubiquiti installations and the Mimosa 
G2s on Mimosa installations specifically because of the repeater abilities.

Rory

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 9:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

We use the Ubiquiti AirCube AC and add an additional unit in repeater mode if 
needed.  So far they are working great got about 40 in the field.  They are 
also our POE source going forward, for ubiquiti radios and fiber ONU.  All 
managed through UNMS.





On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:30 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Been having a lot of customers lately calling about poor wifi coverage, I 
always install the router in a prime location in house and when digging into 
details further finding out that they are trying to use the wifi outside, or by 
the pool or in the garage. What is everyone doing to accommodate these peoples 
requests? Add another Mikrotik AP and charge additional $10/month for each 
extra AP's? I want to offer a solution but at the same time make it worth my 
time dealing with them. Seems to me i should be walking away with minimum $500 
for getting flawless wifi coverage in their house plus more monthly fee.
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Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Do the aircubes work with the Unifi cloud interface for management?

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 12:56 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:

> We were using the Air Cube ACs also on Ubiquiti installations and the
> Mimosa G2s on Mimosa installations specifically because of the repeater
> abilities.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser
> *Sent:* Monday, October 1, 2018 9:05 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes
>
>
>
> We use the Ubiquiti AirCube AC and add an additional unit in repeater mode
> if needed.  So far they are working great got about 40 in the field.  They
> are also our POE source going forward, for ubiquiti radios and fiber ONU.
> All managed through UNMS.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:30 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Been having a lot of customers lately calling about poor wifi coverage, I
> always install the router in a prime location in house and when digging
> into details further finding out that they are trying to use the wifi
> outside, or by the pool or in the garage. What is everyone doing to
> accommodate these peoples requests? Add another Mikrotik AP and charge
> additional $10/month for each extra AP's? I want to offer a solution but at
> the same time make it worth my time dealing with them. Seems to me i should
> be walking away with minimum $500 for getting flawless wifi coverage in
> their house plus more monthly fee.
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Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

[Rory Conaway]

We were using the Air Cube ACs also on Ubiquiti installations and the Mimosa 
G2s on Mimosa installations specifically because of the repeater abilities.

Rory

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 9:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

We use the Ubiquiti AirCube AC and add an additional unit in repeater mode if 
needed.  So far they are working great got about 40 in the field.  They are 
also our POE source going forward, for ubiquiti radios and fiber ONU.  All 
managed through UNMS.





On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:30 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Been having a lot of customers lately calling about poor wifi coverage, I 
always install the router in a prime location in house and when digging into 
details further finding out that they are trying to use the wifi outside, or by 
the pool or in the garage. What is everyone doing to accommodate these peoples 
requests? Add another Mikrotik AP and charge additional $10/month for each 
extra AP's? I want to offer a solution but at the same time make it worth my 
time dealing with them. Seems to me i should be walking away with minimum $500 
for getting flawless wifi coverage in their house plus more monthly fee.
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Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

[Erich Kaiser]

We use the Ubiquiti AirCube AC and add an additional unit in repeater mode
if needed.  So far they are working great got about 40 in the field.  They
are also our POE source going forward, for ubiquiti radios and fiber ONU.
All managed through UNMS.






On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:30 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Been having a lot of customers lately calling about poor wifi coverage, I
> always install the router in a prime location in house and when digging
> into details further finding out that they are trying to use the wifi
> outside, or by the pool or in the garage. What is everyone doing to
> accommodate these peoples requests? Add another Mikrotik AP and charge
> additional $10/month for each extra AP's? I want to offer a solution but at
> the same time make it worth my time dealing with them. Seems to me i should
> be walking away with minimum $500 for getting flawless wifi coverage in
> their house plus more monthly fee.
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Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

[Darin Steffl]

We use Calix 844e gigacenter along with the 804 mesh solution and it works
great. We include the 844e at no monthly cost but just a $50 setup charge.
Then if they need mesh for more coverage, $20 setup and $8 per month per
mesh unit.

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, 9:57 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Yeah, the WiFi outside expectation is big now.  Probably due to Nestcams
> and Sonos speakers and stuff.
>
>
>
> Problem is, people are lazy, they don’t want to hear that the right way is
> to run a cable to a satellite AP.  They want everything to just work
> automagically, with cellphone apps and the cloud and no wires.
>
>
>
> Something like a Mikrotik hAP ac Lite is cheap enough I don’t have to
> charge a lot per month, and they can be powered via POE out from the main
> router, but they just balk at a cable.  The mesh systems are a triumph of
> marketing to a lazy, impatient customer base, even it they are expensive
> and don’t always work that great.  We’re not using Calix (yet) but I
> watched the video on their satellite unit and I like the way the LEDs help
> you find the optimal location, not too close, not too far.  It’s not
> necessarily going to help with the Sonos-on-the-deck and
> Nestcam-on-the-garage people though.
>
>
>
> If it’s within the same building and people don’t want a cable, I point
> out that Netgear sells powerline networking kits with WiFi built into one
> end for around $100.  Yes, they have to plug an Ethernet patch cable into
> the unit near the router, but if that’s still too difficult for them, I
> start not caring about their problem.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Monday, October 1, 2018 9:29 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes
>
>
>
> Been having a lot of customers lately calling about poor wifi coverage, I
> always install the router in a prime location in house and when digging
> into details further finding out that they are trying to use the wifi
> outside, or by the pool or in the garage. What is everyone doing to
> accommodate these peoples requests? Add another Mikrotik AP and charge
> additional $10/month for each extra AP's? I want to offer a solution but at
> the same time make it worth my time dealing with them. Seems to me i should
> be walking away with minimum $500 for getting flawless wifi coverage in
> their house plus more monthly fee.
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Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

[Ken Hohhof]

Yeah, the WiFi outside expectation is big now.  Probably due to Nestcams and 
Sonos speakers and stuff.

 

Problem is, people are lazy, they don’t want to hear that the right way is to 
run a cable to a satellite AP.  They want everything to just work 
automagically, with cellphone apps and the cloud and no wires.

 

Something like a Mikrotik hAP ac Lite is cheap enough I don’t have to charge a 
lot per month, and they can be powered via POE out from the main router, but 
they just balk at a cable.  The mesh systems are a triumph of marketing to a 
lazy, impatient customer base, even it they are expensive and don’t always work 
that great.  We’re not using Calix (yet) but I watched the video on their 
satellite unit and I like the way the LEDs help you find the optimal location, 
not too close, not too far.  It’s not necessarily going to help with the 
Sonos-on-the-deck and Nestcam-on-the-garage people though.

 

If it’s within the same building and people don’t want a cable, I point out 
that Netgear sells powerline networking kits with WiFi built into one end for 
around $100.  Yes, they have to plug an Ethernet patch cable into the unit near 
the router, but if that’s still too difficult for them, I start not caring 
about their problem.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 9:29 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

 

Been having a lot of customers lately calling about poor wifi coverage, I 
always install the router in a prime location in house and when digging into 
details further finding out that they are trying to use the wifi outside, or by 
the pool or in the garage. What is everyone doing to accommodate these peoples 
requests? Add another Mikrotik AP and charge additional $10/month for each 
extra AP's? I want to offer a solution but at the same time make it worth my 
time dealing with them. Seems to me i should be walking away with minimum $500 
for getting flawless wifi coverage in their house plus more monthly fee.

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Re: [AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

[Joe Novak]

We have not finalized how we are going to do this yet but we are
utilizing the Calix Gigacenters, the thought is we will buy the mesh units
and stock them, customer is on the hook for mesh unit cost, +$5/month after
that.

However... I just setup a the Comcast mesh for my grandmother. I think I
like their model better. Come buy it from us, set it up yourself, no
ongoing cost. I wonder how support works with that, but they have a fancy
phone application and everything. I think the Calix may be easy enough to
do this on without a phone application.

Joe

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:30 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Been having a lot of customers lately calling about poor wifi coverage, I
> always install the router in a prime location in house and when digging
> into details further finding out that they are trying to use the wifi
> outside, or by the pool or in the garage. What is everyone doing to
> accommodate these peoples requests? Add another Mikrotik AP and charge
> additional $10/month for each extra AP's? I want to offer a solution but at
> the same time make it worth my time dealing with them. Seems to me i should
> be walking away with minimum $500 for getting flawless wifi coverage in
> their house plus more monthly fee.
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[AFMUG] Improving WIFI coverage in homes

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Been having a lot of customers lately calling about poor wifi coverage, I
always install the router in a prime location in house and when digging
into details further finding out that they are trying to use the wifi
outside, or by the pool or in the garage. What is everyone doing to
accommodate these peoples requests? Add another Mikrotik AP and charge
additional $10/month for each extra AP's? I want to offer a solution but at
the same time make it worth my time dealing with them. Seems to me i should
be walking away with minimum $500 for getting flawless wifi coverage in
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Re: [AFMUG] FW: Any update on ePMP 3000 APs?

[can...@believewireless.net]

Just asked my vendor about this earlier today. Here was the response:
"We’re told to expect for the initial stock shipments containing the new
ePMP 3000 units to be processed by Cambium before year end (November, I
believe)."

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM Paul McCall  wrote:

>
>
> Is there any update /details on ETAs, pricing, configuration?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 18, 2018, 4:28 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:
>
> Supposed to ship from Asia in mid-late August.  30+ days after that if
> they come by sea.  I’ve asked them to look at air shipments initially.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> CTIconnect
>
> 312-205-2519 Office
>
> 574-220-7826 Cell
>
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>
> On May 18, 2018, at 4:30 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Haven’t heard much about a revised expected time-frame on these.
>
>
>
> We have been trying to hold off instead of doing UBNT or Mimosa
>
>
>
> Painful in a couple areas
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
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Re: [AFMUG] PowerDNS Recursive Servers - KSK Rollover

[Joshua Stump]

Matt,

You can check everything out following instructions on this link:

https://www.icann.org/dns-resolvers-checking-current-trust-anchors

There is a section for instructions on PowerDNS depending on version.

Joshua Stump
Network Admin
Fourway.NET
800-733-0062

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] PowerDNS Recursive Servers - KSK Rollover

Does anyone know if, by default, PowerDNS has DNSSEC turned on?

I want to make sure we aren't affected by the KSK roll over with ICANN 
*during* WISPAPALOOZA.

I've never done a KSK Rollover before.

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[AFMUG] FW: Any update on ePMP 3000 APs?

[Paul McCall]

Is there any update /details on ETAs, pricing, configuration?


On Fri, May 18, 2018, 4:28 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
mailto:jeffl...@att.net>> wrote:
Supposed to ship from Asia in mid-late August.  30+ days after that if they 
come by sea.  I’ve asked them to look at air shipments initially.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On May 18, 2018, at 4:30 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Haven’t heard much about a revised expected time-frame on these.

We have been trying to hold off instead of doing UBNT or Mimosa

Painful in a couple areas

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com


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Re: [AFMUG] lc sc connectors

[Josh Luthman]

Most of the time the duplex connectors are two 1 strand 1 connector with a
plastic piece that puts the two together.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 6:58 PM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Typically sure with a coupler. Most of the time you can separate the
> duplex LC pigtails as well. There’s a small clip
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Sep 29, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Can you plug a single LC into a duplex LC connector?
>
> *From:* Trey Scarborough
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 29, 2018 4:06 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] lc sc connectors
>
>
> I would say there is a standard dimension square hole that can either be
> one SC or duplex LC and is the only thing I would think ever be needed. You
> can always add your own then.
>
> On 9/29/2018 12:31 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I guess another way to ask is, what connectors are people likely to want
> in something like this?
> Once I get a feel for that, then I will buy them and design the holder
> around them.
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:12 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* lc sc connectors
>
> Can you use a double connector to join single jumpers?  I have never
> tried.
>
> Working on a combo DC surge suppressor with fiber storage and a place for
> the fiber connectors.  I will have to have some sheet metal holders for the
> mini patch panel and am working out how many different cut out holes I will
> have to offer to cover all the potential uses.  If I have one that will do
> two double LC connectors and a second option for two double SC, will that
> take care of most applications?
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for advanced edge router class

[Timothy Steele]

Really all I want to do right now is bridge some Public IP's with EdgeOS
the amount of help refusal on that is insane

I have an AirOS config I can post of how we got that done


If anyone is willing to help feel free to directly message me

Thanks,

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, 9:07 AM Dennis Burgess via AF  wrote:

> We can help, but we don’t generate config files, we do the work. J
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer *
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Timothy Steele
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 30, 2018 11:59 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for advanced edge router class
>
>
>
> I need to learn how to distribute Plublic IP's via proxy Arp, OSPF, BGP
> and putting towers in router mode with Edge OS
>
>
>
> Yes this is much more simple with mikrotik but boss wants this all done in
> EdgeOS
>
>
>
> Anyone know of a class on this or at least a consultant that would make
> some config files?
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Re: [AFMUG] Anchor holes

[Lewis Bergman]

Wow. I was way off. Not sure what I was thinking about but you're right,
10% not 80%. Makes a hell of a lot more sense.
I have had to go back and replace anchors on a number of old Rohn G series
towers that had large pipe stanchion type anchors. Some were due to pipe
bending, some were due to inadequate depth of holes. One was due to
erosion. Rarely do people think about the fact this tower is going to be
here for 30 years. Amazing how much dirt can be moved by erosion in that
period of time.

Anyway, I still like I beam. I'll try to find a picture of our last one we
did. And by the way, try to find yourself a driller that can bell the
bottom of the hole. When I was younger I used to just hop down in that 10
foot deep 3 foot hole and bell it out with a small spade. Not to bright.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 6:21 PM Chris Fabien  wrote:

> Craig, you need to get an engineered design for elevated guy wires like
> this.  How did you come to the conclusion that a 5.5" diameter conduit pipe
> was going to be sufficient?
>
> Even if you want to attempt the calcs yourself, you are way undersized. I
> did the calcs myself once with a ME buddy helping me, we ended up needing
> 12" diameter pipe I think 1/2" wall thickness to raise the guy points for a
> 100ft 25G up 6ft above ground. We augered 3ft diameter holes 4ft deep
> around the pipes.  I-Beams are probably a more typical solution but we have
> a used pipeline company nearby so the 12" pipe was readily accessible.
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 6:26 PM Craig House 
> wrote:
>
>> I get the yellow guy marker covers in 8' lengths for about 6 dollars
>> each.  I have been recently switching to what your talking about.  Near the
>> same cost but you can cut them longer which is nice if the wire is low
>> hanging on a hill side or if someone is going to be driving taller
>> equipment around the area..  I think I am going to purchase yellow paint
>> like used in parking lots and gas stations to paint the poles once
>> installed.  Thanks Everyone
>>
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>> *From: *"Jeremy" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Sunday, September 30, 2018 2:44:04 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anchor holes
>>
>> I purchase 1/2" poly gas line for the wire markers.  You can get it at
>> your local HVAC supply store.  Cut it into 10' lengths for each wire, and
>> it works like a champ.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 1:32 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> Oh my.  What's the address?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/30/2018 1:03 PM, Craig House wrote:
>>> > Adam the problem here is not that we don’t use the markers because we
>>> do the problem is that this campground allows drunken night time ATV riding
>>> without helmets.  Apparently would be a great place for some video cameras
>>> to if I wanted footage for girls gone wild or rednecks gone wild
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Sep 30, 2018, at 11:55,   wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Back in the olden days, I dug telephone pole holes up to 7 feet deep
>>> with
>>> >> very long handled shovels, spoons and a long digging bar.
>>> >>
>>> >> Then we would manually install the pole in the hole with pike poles.
>>> >>
>>> >> Don't miss that!
>>> >>
>>> >> -Original Message-
>>> >> From: Adam Moffett
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 10:49 AM
>>> >> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anchor holes
>>> >>
>>> >> Yeah, what Mitch said. They make yellow guards for guy wires;
>>> >> specifically so people can see them and not get clotheslined.
>>> >>
>>> >> It would also seem if somebody could hit the wire, they could hit your
>>> >> pipe. Rather than getting clotheslined they've wrecked their ATV and
>>> >> face planted into a pole. Making it more visible would be the key. If
>>> >> the guy wire would physically cross an ATV trail, then moving the guy
>>> >> anchors farther out would give it more clearance.
>>> >>
>>> >> But I know I'm safely in my armchair here and can't see the situation
>>> on
>>> >> the ground.
>>> >>
>>> >> Telephone pole contractors can auger that deep. We had a guy doing 30"
>>> >> holes 10 feet deep for so we could plant an 80' pole. If you want to
>>> >> hit 6 feet depth, they might have something at the tool rental place
>>> for
>>> >> setting deck posts. If not, then a telephone pole contractor. They can
>>> >> go through rock if they have carbide rock teeth on the auger.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Adam
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 9/29/2018 7:08 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:
>>> >>> Craig
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Maybe a chain link fence next to the guy wires
>>> >>>
>>> >>> to the ground connection Extend fence out to the the point the guy
>>> wires
>>> >>> is about
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 10 foot above ground???
>>> >>>
>>> >>> We do that and use light weight orange fiber duct on the guy wires
>>> to the
>>> >>> ground lug
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mitch
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 9/29/2018 3:15 PM, Craig House wrote:
>>>  Yes. Elevated guy supports. The location is an atv off road ranch
>>> and

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for advanced edge router class

[Adam Moffett]

I'm considering Edge Routers for the customer prem as a low cost ActiveE 
CPE.  Not gonna put them in as infrastructure.



On 10/1/2018 12:42 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
Tell the boss it won't all work in edgeos. It has nowhere near the 
feature set of Mikrotik.


I don't kmow of any wisp using edgeos but I know tons that use 
Mikrotik so that has to mean something.


On Sun, Sep 30, 2018, 12:00 PM Timothy Steele 
mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I need to learn how to distribute Plublic IP's via proxy Arp,
OSPF, BGP and putting towers in router mode with Edge OS

Yes this is much more simple with mikrotik but boss wants this all
done in EdgeOS

Anyone know of a class on this or at least a consultant that would
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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for advanced edge router class

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

We can help, but we don’t generate config files, we do the work. ☺


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Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Timothy Steele
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 11:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for advanced edge router class

I need to learn how to distribute Plublic IP's via proxy Arp, OSPF, BGP and 
putting towers in router mode with Edge OS

Yes this is much more simple with mikrotik but boss wants this all done in 
EdgeOS

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