Re: [AFMUG] How to access ROW, permits, poles

2019-01-27 Thread Adam Moffett 
NY DPS requires them to use a cost based formula to determine pole 
rents.  So one might be $9/year per pole and one might be $12/year per 
pole because the two companies have different costs, but if they charge 
$12 for cable then it's $12 for us too.


Oh and muni utilities don't have to follow the rules for some reason.

and of course that's just this state.  These things are going to be 
different everywhere.



On 1/26/2019 7:27 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I thought the rule had more to do with equity in pole attachment 
fees.  So if the pole owner charges the telco or cableco $10 per 
month, they can’t charge a WISP $20 per month.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
*Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2019 6:19 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How to access ROW, permits, poles

There's lots of variations on this locality dependent.

 For example in MI I need a state-mandated municipal permit to have 
telecom infrastructure in the ROW even for an aerial run on someone 
else's poles.


Our county had to be satisfied we were a "real public utility" before 
they would issue underground permits. This was their own policy they 
made up as far as I could tell. Even though the municipal permit 
specifically allows "any entity".


None of this was at all related to a 477 filing.

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 3:49 AM TJ Trout  wrote:


So reading through the list the consensus is anyone filing a 477
can access the row, does this require a city or county permit with
plans etc? For laying duct, installing a pole or cabinet etc?

What is the process to attach to poles? Just make a request with
the pole owner? City permits? How do you identify the pole owner?

So if I'm a wisp today and want to be a fisp (haha) tomorrow I
just need to consider myself a ISP, pull permits with the city or
county and start digging? Are permits even required to work in the
row in most cases?

For poles I'm assuming you make drawings of the route, get an
attachment agreement with the owner and once make ready is done
your good to dangle your string?

If it's any consolation I searched the archives for a few hours
before asking these stupid questions 樂

TJ

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Re: [AFMUG] How to access ROW, permits, poles

2019-01-27 Thread Chuck McCown 
I would use the footnote from the now defunct perhaps net neutrality that 
coined and defined a BIAS provider as a quasi public entity.  
Just state you are a BIAS provider as defined by the FCC.  Give them a copy of 
the 477 and say that the internet is defined as interstate commerce.  Then lay 
on them the new small cell order.  All 160+ pages printed out.  

Perhaps bury them in enough paperwork and they will cave.  Also, how cold MI 
requires a municipal permit in unincorporated areas?


From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 5:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How to access ROW, permits, poles

There's lots of variations on this locality dependent.

For example in MI I need a state-mandated municipal permit to have telecom 
infrastructure in the ROW even for an aerial run on someone else's poles. 

Our county had to be satisfied we were a "real public utility" before they 
would issue underground permits. This was their own policy they made up as far 
as I could tell. Even though the municipal permit specifically allows "any 
entity". 

None of this was at all related to a 477 filing. 


On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 3:49 AM TJ Trout http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com




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Re: [AFMUG] the list

2019-01-27 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller 

if that happened on a cellphone it would take you straight to voicemail lol
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  A (local) friend just told me about a robocall he got and the caller id was 
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  On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 1:22 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Well you do have to pass a basic Turing test to be accepted here. Unlike 
that clever robocall I got this week. 


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On Jan 26, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Tim Withrow via AF  wrote:


  Well. Unlike the members,will just call the list wackynunu, that's just 
bizarre and picky. Maybe it has an AI that someone is feeding  the markov bots 
and it's just come up with a disposition of its own to weed or eradicate what 
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Maybe it should be more complicated... a sort of a test you need to 
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