Re: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery


TJ,

Maybe a few years ago, but I'm too lazy to mess with that now.  I have over 2000 customers running on the equipment these batteries are backing up.  I can't afford to roll my own anymore, not worth the risk.

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Tuesday, July 2, 2019, 7:55:35 PM, you wrote:





buy the cells on eBay or Alibaba/express, 60-100ah 4.2v cells can be had for $40-120 ea, if your rectifier / power supply has a LVD that can be adjusted and a adjustable output voltage you just need something to do cell balancing, otherwise you can get a BMS that has LVD and a balancer inline, watch some youtube videos, the life cells are pretty popular with solar guys, etc and the $/kwh is equal or cheaper than your proposed lead batteries, and will last forever basically..

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 2:01 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:




Where can we get LifePO4 prismatic cells for less?   And what is a 16s bms?
 
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery
 
100ft red only ~$210 ea, buy 4 new.
 
Alternatively use LifePO4 prismatic cells and a 16s bms for less than your are going to spend for lead and get 3000-5000 cycles
 
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:40 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies  wrote:




Bill,

so far only been in this state for about a week.


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Tuesday, July 2, 2019, 3:34:50 PM, you wrote:

BP> Probably depends on how long they were in that state. The other 3 
BP> batteries have been getting overcharged for however long it's been. That
BP> stresses them, and I don't know how long it takes for them to be damaged.


BP> bp
BP> 

BP> On 7/2/2019 12:28 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
>> I  have  a  -48vdc  power plant that uses 4 of these batteries.. One of
>> them  has  gone  bad.   I took them out of series for testing and have
>> ID'd the bad battery.  These are 8 year old batteries.  Just wondering
>> if  I  should  replace all 4 at over $400 each or just replace the one
>> for now.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
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>> Thanks,
>>   Mark                          mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
>>


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Re: [AFMUG] 'cheap' 900MHz PtP link ?

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, if you want cheap, go with ubiquiti 900mhz. I'd guess more like at
least 6-8 watts... they use a bit more power than 2.4 or 5ghz ubiquiti
stuff.

Cambium PTP450 is a good option if you want something better, but it's a
lot more costly. I think Mikrotik makes (or at least used to) a 900mhz
radio too, that's fairly cheap, but I haven't used them.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 4:21 PM justsumname .  wrote:

> oh yeah  forgot about those!  nice 5 or 10 MHz wide channels... 2-3 Mbps
> throughput, IIRC.
> they draw something like 4 - 6 watts?   That might be the trick .
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>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 5:12 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> We have several 900MHz links operational for over 4 years using Ubiquiti
>> M900 radios...using 5MHz channels for SCADA, ViewPoint and camera traffic.
>> Longest is 4 miles ...stable.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 3:02 PM justsumname  wrote:
>>
>>> So it's been like 10 years or so since I've really messed with this
>>> stuff.
>>> What's the gear for quick/simple/reliable/low-power-draw (solar -ish)
>>> WDS-bridge type thing?
>>> Assume no RF noise, etc., clean slate, few trees, short hop...yadda...
>>> Or 700Mhz I guess, if I have any clue what I'm talking about...
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Re: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery

[TJ Trout]

buy the cells on eBay or Alibaba/express, 60-100ah 4.2v cells can be had
for $40-120 ea, if your rectifier / power supply has a LVD that can be
adjusted and a adjustable output voltage you just need something to do cell
balancing, otherwise you can get a BMS that has LVD and a balancer inline,
watch some youtube videos, the life cells are pretty popular with solar
guys, etc and the $/kwh is equal or cheaper than your proposed lead
batteries, and will last forever basically..

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 2:01 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Where can we get LifePO4 prismatic cells for less?   And what is a 16s bms?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 2, 2019 1:08 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery
>
>
>
> 100ft red only ~$210 ea, buy 4 new.
>
>
>
> Alternatively use LifePO4 prismatic cells and a 16s bms for less than your
> are going to spend for lead and get 3000-5000 cycles
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:40 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> so far only been in this state for about a week.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
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> Tuesday, July 2, 2019, 3:34:50 PM, you wrote:
>
> BP> Probably depends on how long they were in that state. The other 3
> BP> batteries have been getting overcharged for however long it's been.
> That
> BP> stresses them, and I don't know how long it takes for them to be
> damaged.
>
>
> BP> bp
> BP> 
>
> BP> On 7/2/2019 12:28 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
> >> I  have  a  -48vdc  power plant that uses 4 of these batteries.. One of
> >> them  has  gone  bad.   I took them out of series for testing and have
> >> ID'd the bad battery.  These are 8 year old batteries.  Just wondering
> >> if  I  should  replace all 4 at over $400 each or just replace the one
> >> for now.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>   Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> >>
> >> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> >> www.Myakka.com
> >>
> >>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker

[TJ Trout]

Sounds to me like your using a -48 system for a +48v load and you have the
breaker on the negative so when you turn it off the negative ground still
has a path back to the device from the rack?

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 3:23 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> I'll try swapping one to see what happens.
>
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> Tuesday, July 2, 2019, 5:48:02 PM, you wrote:
>
> cwc> They always shut off for me.  But it seems like I wired one up
> backwards
> cwc> once and it would either not switch right or not trip or something.
>
> cwc> It certainly was polarity sensitive.
>
> cwc> -Original Message-
> cwc> From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
> cwc> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 3:42 PM
> cwc> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> cwc> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker
>
> cwc> Chuck,
>
> cwc> I'm  very confused with them, that's why I'm asking the experts.  They
> cwc> look  like  normal breakers, but they are not acting that way.  They
> do
> cwc> have  a  line  and  load side.  I have them setup with line on the hot
> cwc> side  and  load  on  the  equipment  side.   Just not acting the way I
> cwc> expected.   I  just  will  make sure a put a note up not to assume the
> cwc> circuit  is  disconnect  if you switch the breaker to OFF.
>
>
>
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> cwc> Tuesday, July 2, 2019, 5:26:57 PM, you wrote:
>
> cwc>> Those are DC circuit breakers.
> cwc>> Pretty common.
>
> cwc>> They may be polarity sensitive.  I think I have run into this problem
> cwc>> before.
>
> cwc>> -Original Message-
> cwc>> From: Ken Hohhof
> cwc>> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 1:54 PM
> cwc>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> cwc>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker
>
> cwc>> Nope, but this appears to be the spec sheet:
> cwc>> http://airpax.sensata.com/pdfs/ial.pdf
>
>
> cwc>> -Original Message-
> cwc>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka
> cwc> Technologies
> cwc>> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:37 PM
> cwc>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> cwc>> Subject: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker
>
> cwc>> Was working on the -48vdc power plant the last few days due to
> battery
> cwc>> issues.   Noticed  that  what  I  though  was  a breaker, may not be
> a
> cwc>> breaker.
>
> cwc>> I  have  a  total of 6 of these LELK1-1REC4-34171 in the system.
> They
> cwc> show
> cwc>> they have a delay and make mention they are "Special Purpose Not for
> cwc> General
> cwc>> use"
>
> cwc>> Anyone  familiar  with these?  They have the normal on/off switch of
> a
> cwc>> normal  breaker. But I discovered that even in the off position
> current
> cwc> is
> cwc>> being  passed.  I find it hard to belive I have six bad units that
> have
> cwc>> been  purchased  from  multiple places over the past years.  Are they
> cwc>> designed  this way?  Is so, what is their purpose?  Seems like a bit
> of
> cwc> a
> cwc>> safety risk.
>
>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Chuck,

I'll try swapping one to see what happens.

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Tuesday, July 2, 2019, 5:48:02 PM, you wrote:

cwc> They always shut off for me.  But it seems like I wired one up backwards
cwc> once and it would either not switch right or not trip or something.

cwc> It certainly was polarity sensitive.

cwc> -Original Message- 
cwc> From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
cwc> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 3:42 PM
cwc> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
cwc> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker

cwc> Chuck,

cwc> I'm  very confused with them, that's why I'm asking the experts.  They
cwc> look  like  normal breakers, but they are not acting that way.  They do
cwc> have  a  line  and  load side.  I have them setup with line on the hot
cwc> side  and  load  on  the  equipment  side.   Just not acting the way I
cwc> expected.   I  just  will  make sure a put a note up not to assume the
cwc> circuit  is  disconnect  if you switch the breaker to OFF.



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cwc> Tuesday, July 2, 2019, 5:26:57 PM, you wrote:

cwc>> Those are DC circuit breakers.
cwc>> Pretty common.

cwc>> They may be polarity sensitive.  I think I have run into this problem
cwc>> before.

cwc>> -Original Message- 
cwc>> From: Ken Hohhof
cwc>> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 1:54 PM
cwc>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
cwc>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker

cwc>> Nope, but this appears to be the spec sheet:
cwc>> http://airpax.sensata.com/pdfs/ial.pdf


cwc>> -Original Message-
cwc>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka 
cwc> Technologies
cwc>> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:37 PM
cwc>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
cwc>> Subject: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker

cwc>> Was working on the -48vdc power plant the last few days due to battery
cwc>> issues.   Noticed  that  what  I  though  was  a breaker, may not be a
cwc>> breaker.

cwc>> I  have  a  total of 6 of these LELK1-1REC4-34171 in the system. They 
cwc> show
cwc>> they have a delay and make mention they are "Special Purpose Not for 
cwc> General
cwc>> use"

cwc>> Anyone  familiar  with these?  They have the normal on/off switch of a
cwc>> normal  breaker. But I discovered that even in the off position current 
cwc> is
cwc>> being  passed.  I find it hard to belive I have six bad units that have
cwc>> been  purchased  from  multiple places over the past years.  Are they
cwc>> designed  this way?  Is so, what is their purpose?  Seems like a bit of 
cwc> a
cwc>> safety risk.


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Re: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker

[chuck]

They always shut off for me.  But it seems like I wired one up backwards 
once and it would either not switch right or not trip or something.


It certainly was polarity sensitive.

-Original Message- 
From: Mark - Myakka Technologies

Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 3:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker

Chuck,

I'm  very confused with them, that's why I'm asking the experts.  They
look  like  normal breakers, but they are not acting that way.  They do
have  a  line  and  load side.  I have them setup with line on the hot
side  and  load  on  the  equipment  side.   Just not acting the way I
expected.   I  just  will  make sure a put a note up not to assume the
circuit  is  disconnect  if you switch the breaker to OFF.



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Tuesday, July 2, 2019, 5:26:57 PM, you wrote:

cwc> Those are DC circuit breakers.
cwc> Pretty common.

cwc> They may be polarity sensitive.  I think I have run into this problem
cwc> before.

cwc> -Original Message- 
cwc> From: Ken Hohhof

cwc> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 1:54 PM
cwc> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
cwc> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker

cwc> Nope, but this appears to be the spec sheet:
cwc> http://airpax.sensata.com/pdfs/ial.pdf


cwc> -Original Message-
cwc> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka 
Technologies

cwc> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:37 PM
cwc> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
cwc> Subject: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker

cwc> Was working on the -48vdc power plant the last few days due to battery
cwc> issues.   Noticed  that  what  I  though  was  a breaker, may not be a
cwc> breaker.

cwc> I  have  a  total of 6 of these LELK1-1REC4-34171 in the system. They 
show
cwc> they have a delay and make mention they are "Special Purpose Not for 
General

cwc> use"

cwc> Anyone  familiar  with these?  They have the normal on/off switch of a
cwc> normal  breaker. But I discovered that even in the off position current 
is

cwc> being  passed.  I find it hard to belive I have six bad units that have
cwc> been  purchased  from  multiple places over the past years.  Are they
cwc> designed  this way?  Is so, what is their purpose?  Seems like a bit of 
a

cwc> safety risk.


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Re: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Chuck,

I'm  very confused with them, that's why I'm asking the experts.  They
look  like  normal breakers, but they are not acting that way.  They do
have  a  line  and  load side.  I have them setup with line on the hot
side  and  load  on  the  equipment  side.   Just not acting the way I
expected.   I  just  will  make sure a put a note up not to assume the
circuit  is  disconnect  if you switch the breaker to OFF.



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Tuesday, July 2, 2019, 5:26:57 PM, you wrote:

cwc> Those are DC circuit breakers.
cwc> Pretty common.

cwc> They may be polarity sensitive.  I think I have run into this problem 
cwc> before.

cwc> -Original Message- 
cwc> From: Ken Hohhof
cwc> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 1:54 PM
cwc> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
cwc> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker

cwc> Nope, but this appears to be the spec sheet:
cwc> http://airpax.sensata.com/pdfs/ial.pdf


cwc> -Original Message-
cwc> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
cwc> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:37 PM
cwc> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
cwc> Subject: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker

cwc> Was working on the -48vdc power plant the last few days due to battery
cwc> issues.   Noticed  that  what  I  though  was  a breaker, may not be a
cwc> breaker.

cwc> I  have  a  total of 6 of these LELK1-1REC4-34171 in the system. They show
cwc> they have a delay and make mention they are "Special Purpose Not for 
General
cwc> use"

cwc> Anyone  familiar  with these?  They have the normal on/off switch of a
cwc> normal  breaker. But I discovered that even in the off position current is
cwc> being  passed.  I find it hard to belive I have six bad units that have
cwc> been  purchased  from  multiple places over the past years.  Are they
cwc> designed  this way?  Is so, what is their purpose?  Seems like a bit of a
cwc> safety risk.


cwc> --

cwc> Thanks,
cwc> Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com

cwc> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
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Re: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery

[chuck]

Just buy batts that you want to transition to as other cells die.  It will 
take some wiring cobbling.




-Original Message- 
From: Mark - Myakka Technologies

Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 3:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery

Chuck,

I'm  kind  of  leaning  that  way,  but  not  sure I can find the same
configuration.  The 12A100FT I currently have has the terminals on the
front face  of  the  battery.   Everything  I've  found  so far has had the
terminals  on  top  front.   May  end up getting 4 new ones.  Put some
feelers out there to my normal vendors to see what they have.



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Tuesday, July 2, 2019, 5:17:56 PM, you wrote:

cwc> I have had good luck in replacing just the bad battery.

cwc> -Original Message- 
cwc> From: Mark - Myakka Technologies

cwc> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 1:28 PM
cwc> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
cwc> Subject: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery

cwc> I  have  a  -48vdc  power plant that uses 4 of these batteries.. One of
cwc> them  has  gone  bad.   I took them out of series for testing and have
cwc> ID'd the bad battery.  These are 8 year old batteries.  Just wondering
cwc> if  I  should  replace all 4 at over $400 each or just replace the one
cwc> for now.

cwc> Thoughts?


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Re: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Chuck,

I'm  kind  of  leaning  that  way,  but  not  sure I can find the same
configuration.  The 12A100FT I currently have has the terminals on the
front face  of  the  battery.   Everything  I've  found  so far has had the
terminals  on  top  front.   May  end up getting 4 new ones.  Put some
feelers out there to my normal vendors to see what they have.



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cwc> I have had good luck in replacing just the bad battery.  

cwc> -Original Message- 
cwc> From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
cwc> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 1:28 PM 
cwc> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
cwc> Subject: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery 

cwc> I  have  a  -48vdc  power plant that uses 4 of these batteries.. One of
cwc> them  has  gone  bad.   I took them out of series for testing and have
cwc> ID'd the bad battery.  These are 8 year old batteries.  Just wondering
cwc> if  I  should  replace all 4 at over $400 each or just replace the one
cwc> for now.

cwc> Thoughts?


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Re: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker

[chuck]

Those are DC circuit breakers.
Pretty common.

They may be polarity sensitive.  I think I have run into this problem 
before.


-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 1:54 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker

Nope, but this appears to be the spec sheet:
http://airpax.sensata.com/pdfs/ial.pdf


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:37 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker

Was working on the -48vdc power plant the last few days due to battery
issues.   Noticed  that  what  I  though  was  a breaker, may not be a
breaker.

I  have  a  total of 6 of these LELK1-1REC4-34171 in the system.  They show
they have a delay and make mention they are "Special Purpose Not for General
use"

Anyone  familiar  with these?  They have the normal on/off switch of a
normal  breaker. But I discovered that even in the off position current is
being  passed.  I find it hard to belive I have six bad units that have
been  purchased  from  multiple places over the past years.  Are they
designed  this way?  Is so, what is their purpose?  Seems like a bit of a
safety risk.


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Re: [AFMUG] 'cheap' 900MHz PtP link ?

[justsumname .]

oh yeah  forgot about those!  nice 5 or 10 MHz wide channels... 2-3 Mbps
throughput, IIRC.
they draw something like 4 - 6 watts?   That might be the trick .
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wrote:

> We have several 900MHz links operational for over 4 years using Ubiquiti
> M900 radios...using 5MHz channels for SCADA, ViewPoint and camera traffic.
> Longest is 4 miles ...stable.
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 3:02 PM justsumname  wrote:
>
>> So it's been like 10 years or so since I've really messed with this stuff.
>> What's the gear for quick/simple/reliable/low-power-draw (solar -ish)
>> WDS-bridge type thing?
>> Assume no RF noise, etc., clean slate, few trees, short hop...yadda...
>> Or 700Mhz I guess, if I have any clue what I'm talking about...
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery

[chuck]

I have had good luck in replacing just the bad battery.  

-Original Message- 
From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 1:28 PM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery 


I  have  a  -48vdc  power plant that uses 4 of these batteries.. One of
them  has  gone  bad.   I took them out of series for testing and have
ID'd the bad battery.  These are 8 year old batteries.  Just wondering
if  I  should  replace all 4 at over $400 each or just replace the one
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette

[Lewis Bergman]

T9 all over again

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 10:25 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I've often thought of that as a million-dollar-app idea.  Wouldn't even
> have to pull the phone out of your pocket to get new messages, just feel
> the vibration.  To send a message just reach in and push the side button.
> Just think of the potential for cheating in school...
>
> On 7/1/2019 7:18 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> If there was a morse code app that allowed you to send texts with a morse
> bug I would use that.
>
> *From:* Chuck Macenski
> *Sent:* Monday, July 1, 2019 6:13 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette
>
> I end up using voice recognition to keep up with my kids when texting.
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 6:45 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> One of my nieces texts so fast, they are incoming in a chain almost
>> faster than I can read. I think she texts faster than she talks. Naw. She
>> talks fast too...
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 7/1/2019 4:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> I’m amazed when I send someone a text message and receive a response
>> within 5 seconds.  In that time they realized they had a message, read it,
>> decided on a reply, typed it probably with 2 thumbs, and sent it, plus
>> propagation time through the phone network twice.  And this is probably
>> while they were at work, or driving.  Now, that’s real time.  Probably too
>> real time.  Back in the written communication era, you would put the letter
>> in the desk drawer overnight before sending it.  Email has a Drafts folder,
>> so you can think about it and maybe do some editing or not send it at all.
>> But texts don’t have a Drafts folder, just a Send button.  No Oops button
>> either.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 1, 2019 5:56 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette
>>
>>
>>
>> Text?  What is this text you speak of...
>>
>>
>>
>> I tell my kids I love email because of its real time nature...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Matt Corcoran
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 1, 2019 3:36 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette
>>
>>
>>
>> You think writing Etiquette is bad.   How about reading Etiquette. I
>> find when you send a clean point by point list via email.  Half the time
>> people only respond to the first point and dump the rest.
>>
>>
>>
>> Some people think email is just another way to text.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Lewis Bergman <
>> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Monday, July 1, 2019 at 10:45 AM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette
>>
>>
>>
>> It's funny. Many people are hyper sensative about privacy, but when their
>> internet breaks, they believe you should be able to read their minds, know
>> everything about their issue, and be able to devine anything else that
>> might have happened in or around their property that might have caused the
>> issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also find the older people get, the less they seem to remember that
>> whoever they are communicting with, no matter the method, may not have any
>> context for the conversation. Many times, the conversation they were having
>> was in their own head.
>>
>>
>>
>> Before my father died I remember an email he sent to a model airplane
>> supplier he purchased a lot of product from. It basically went something
>> like this:
>>
>> "I got this order in late and some stuff was missing and another thing
>> was broken. Can you make this right? Thanks". He probably ordered 5 times a
>> month from this company. There is no way they could have been anything but
>> confused.
>>
>>
>>
>> My dad was well spoken and intelligent and wrote email like he was a
>> drunken toddler.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:50 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> I think there are a couple of issues. First, people who attempt to use
>> email on their phone with some crappy email interface can barely
>> actually send the email, let alone leave any identifiable information.
>>
>> Second is people who are not even slightly technical who just don't know
>> how to use email. E.g.: We have a neighbor with whom we share a private
>> road. He will dig up an email string from 3 years ago and "reply all",
>> even though the subject line is 3 years old and has nothing to do with
>> what he's talking about today.
>>
>> IOW, I don't think it's so much etiquette as it is ignorance.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 7/1/2019 4:08 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>> > So I've noticed a slide recently of what I would consider 'Email
>> > Etiquette'  Customers send an email with no subject line.  Or reply to
>> > an old email, with a new topic.  EG: our billing system sends out
>> > automated invoices.  A customer will just reply to one of those
>> > emails, weeks later, 

Re: [AFMUG] 'cheap' 900MHz PtP link ?

[Jaime Solorza]

We have several 900MHz links operational for over 4 years using Ubiquiti
M900 radios...using 5MHz channels for SCADA, ViewPoint and camera traffic.
Longest is 4 miles ...stable.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 3:02 PM justsumname  wrote:

> So it's been like 10 years or so since I've really messed with this stuff.
> What's the gear for quick/simple/reliable/low-power-draw (solar -ish)
> WDS-bridge type thing?
> Assume no RF noise, etc., clean slate, few trees, short hop...yadda...
> Or 700Mhz I guess, if I have any clue what I'm talking about...
>
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[AFMUG] 'cheap' 900MHz PtP link ?

[justsumname]

So it's been like 10 years or so since I've really messed with this stuff.
What's the gear for quick/simple/reliable/low-power-draw (solar -ish)
WDS-bridge type thing?
Assume no RF noise, etc., clean slate, few trees, short hop...yadda...
Or 700Mhz I guess, if I have any clue what I'm talking about...

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Re: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery

[SmarterBroadband]

Where can we get LifePO4 prismatic cells for less?   And what is a 16s bms?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery

 

100ft red only ~$210 ea, buy 4 new.

 

Alternatively use LifePO4 prismatic cells and a 16s bms for less than your are 
going to spend for lead and get 3000-5000 cycles

 

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:40 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > wrote:

Bill,

so far only been in this state for about a week.


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BP> Probably depends on how long they were in that state. The other 3 
BP> batteries have been getting overcharged for however long it's been. That
BP> stresses them, and I don't know how long it takes for them to be damaged.


BP> bp
BP> 

BP> On 7/2/2019 12:28 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
>> I  have  a  -48vdc  power plant that uses 4 of these batteries.. One of
>> them  has  gone  bad.   I took them out of series for testing and have
>> ID'd the bad battery.  These are 8 year old batteries.  Just wondering
>> if  I  should  replace all 4 at over $400 each or just replace the one
>> for now.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Thanks,
>>   Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>>  
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com  
>>
>>


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Re: [AFMUG] Bendable single use SMA torque wrench

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, that seems a little goofy. just use a 5/16" or 8mm open end wrench,
and just go like half a turn past finger tight... it's not like it needs to
be very precise .

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 2:11 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> What's the problem just using an ordinary 8 mm open end wrench?  So you
> don't over torque them?  They just need to be a little more than finger
> tight.  Is over tightening really a problem?   My issue with SMA connectors
> is usually weatherproofing them.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 1:37 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Bendable single use SMA torque wrench
>
> Any seen anything like this before?  Bendable, single use SMA torque
> wrench.  Trying to track down for a client and my google-fu is failing me.
> Pic attached.
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Re: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery

[TJ Trout]

100ft red only ~$210 ea, buy 4 new.

Alternatively use LifePO4 prismatic cells and a 16s bms for less than your
are going to spend for lead and get 3000-5000 cycles

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:40 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Bill,
>
> so far only been in this state for about a week.
>
>
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> Tuesday, July 2, 2019, 3:34:50 PM, you wrote:
>
> BP> Probably depends on how long they were in that state. The other 3
> BP> batteries have been getting overcharged for however long it's been.
> That
> BP> stresses them, and I don't know how long it takes for them to be
> damaged.
>
>
> BP> bp
> BP> 
>
> BP> On 7/2/2019 12:28 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
> >> I  have  a  -48vdc  power plant that uses 4 of these batteries.. One of
> >> them  has  gone  bad.   I took them out of series for testing and have
> >> ID'd the bad battery.  These are 8 year old batteries.  Just wondering
> >> if  I  should  replace all 4 at over $400 each or just replace the one
> >> for now.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>   Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> >>
> >> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> >> www.Myakka.com
> >>
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker

[Ken Hohhof]

Nope, but this appears to be the spec sheet:
http://airpax.sensata.com/pdfs/ial.pdf


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:37 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker

Was working on the -48vdc power plant the last few days due to battery
issues.   Noticed  that  what  I  though  was  a breaker, may not be a
breaker.

I  have  a  total of 6 of these LELK1-1REC4-34171 in the system.  They show
they have a delay and make mention they are "Special Purpose Not for General
use"

Anyone  familiar  with these?  They have the normal on/off switch of a
normal  breaker. But I discovered that even in the off position current is
being  passed.  I find it hard to belive I have six bad units that have
been  purchased  from  multiple places over the past years.  Are they
designed  this way?  Is so, what is their purpose?  Seems like a bit of a
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Re: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Bill,

so far only been in this state for about a week.


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BP> Probably depends on how long they were in that state. The other 3 
BP> batteries have been getting overcharged for however long it's been. That
BP> stresses them, and I don't know how long it takes for them to be damaged.


BP> bp
BP> 

BP> On 7/2/2019 12:28 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
>> I  have  a  -48vdc  power plant that uses 4 of these batteries.. One of
>> them  has  gone  bad.   I took them out of series for testing and have
>> ID'd the bad battery.  These are 8 year old batteries.  Just wondering
>> if  I  should  replace all 4 at over $400 each or just replace the one
>> for now.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks,
>>   Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
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[AFMUG] LELK1-1REC4-34171 breaker

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Was working on the -48vdc power plant the last few days due to battery
issues.   Noticed  that  what  I  though  was  a breaker, may not be a
breaker.

I  have  a  total of 6 of these LELK1-1REC4-34171 in the system.  They
show  they have a delay and make mention they are "Special Purpose Not
for General use"

Anyone  familiar  with these?  They have the normal on/off switch of a
normal  breaker. But I discovered that even in the off position current
is  being  passed.  I find it hard to belive I have six bad units that
have  been  purchased  from  multiple places over the past years.  Are
they  designed  this way?  Is so, what is their purpose?  Seems like a
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Re: [AFMUG] Alabamans beware of yellow jacket supernests

[Jay Weekley]

I hear their good eatin'.

Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 7/2/19 12:01 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Meanwhile, in Florida it’s the iguana menace:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/iguanas-spread-in-florida-as-climate-warms-theyre-a-menace/ar-AADJTKP 






I'd rather have that problem than a supernest of any wasp, hornet, or 
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Re: [AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery

[Bill Prince]

Probably depends on how long they were in that state. The other 3 
batteries have been getting overcharged for however long it's been. That 
stresses them, and I don't know how long it takes for them to be damaged.



bp


On 7/2/2019 12:28 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

I  have  a  -48vdc  power plant that uses 4 of these batteries.. One of
them  has  gone  bad.   I took them out of series for testing and have
ID'd the bad battery.  These are 8 year old batteries.  Just wondering
if  I  should  replace all 4 at over $400 each or just replace the one
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Re: [AFMUG] Alabamans beware of yellow jacket supernests

[Seth Mattinen]

On 7/2/19 12:01 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Meanwhile, in Florida it’s the iguana menace:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/iguanas-spread-in-florida-as-climate-warms-theyre-a-menace/ar-AADJTKP




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[AFMUG] 12A100FT Battery

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

I  have  a  -48vdc  power plant that uses 4 of these batteries.. One of
them  has  gone  bad.   I took them out of series for testing and have
ID'd the bad battery.  These are 8 year old batteries.  Just wondering
if  I  should  replace all 4 at over $400 each or just replace the one
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Re: [AFMUG] Bendable single use SMA torque wrench

[Ken Hohhof]

What's the problem just using an ordinary 8 mm open end wrench?  So you don't 
over torque them?  They just need to be a little more than finger tight.  Is 
over tightening really a problem?   My issue with SMA connectors is usually 
weatherproofing them.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 1:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Bendable single use SMA torque wrench

Any seen anything like this before?  Bendable, single use SMA torque wrench.  
Trying to track down for a client and my google-fu is failing me.  Pic attached.



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Re: [AFMUG] Alabamans beware of yellow jacket supernests

[Ken Hohhof]

Meanwhile, in Florida it’s the iguana menace:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/iguanas-spread-in-florida-as-climate-warms-theyre-a-menace/ar-AADJTKP

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 11:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alabamans beware of yellow jacket supernests

 

Id be dead, there is no way i wouldnt bash it with a stick. I accept who i am

 

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 3:39 PM CBB - Jay Fuller mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

 

just like the article says, it's cause of the "mild winter".  If they don't die 
they continue to build the next...

generally only from certain alabama counties south  but this last year they've 
found them further north (like where i live)

don't think they've found them as far north as me tho...

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Adam Moffett   

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 12:05 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alabamans beware of yellow jacket supernests

 

That's a big ol pile of "nope".
I have a pretty good rapport with the bees and wasps (I don't mess with them, 
they don't mess with me), but I would be very nervous around a nest like that.



On 7/1/2019 12:54 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

 

yup, it's been in the news

 

- Original Message - 

From: Ken Hohhof   

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'   

Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 10:28 PM

Subject: [AFMUG] Alabamans beware of yellow jacket supernests

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/officials-warn-of-wasp-super-nests-in-alabama/ar-AADExYC

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Re: [AFMUG] Bendable single use SMA torque wrench

[Steve Jones]

man, we had a bunch of these laying around at one point. is that really
what they are?

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 1:38 PM Caleb Knauer  wrote:

> Any seen anything like this before?  Bendable, single use SMA torque
> wrench.  Trying to track down for a client and my google-fu is failing
> me.  Pic attached.
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[AFMUG] mac n cheese in a can?

[Ken Hohhof]

another food Chuck will probably love

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/foodnews/heinz-is-selling-mac-and-che
ese-in-a-can-which-is-both-shocking-and-welcome-information/ar-AADKw3u

 

serve with Vienna sausages?

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Re: [AFMUG] Aviat

[Chuck McCown]

Passive reflector.

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 10:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat

is it a path issue?

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:22 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  So it appears the magical Aviat radio that Frontier was using in place of 
Cambium to cure a chronic problem in Southeast Utah did not in fact cure the 
problem.  

  Surprise...

  Frontier PROMISED the Utah Public Service Commission that this radio was 
going to cure all that ailed the network.  

  Of course I never believed that and I felt bad for Aviat as they were not the 
ones making the promise.  
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Re: [AFMUG] Aviat

[Seth Mattinen]

On 7/2/19 9:51 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I seem to vaguely remember the original thread about this.  Is someone 
being held to task for making false promises?



Sure, Frontier will blame Aviat this time.

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Re: [AFMUG] Aviat

[Nate Burke]

I seem to vaguely remember the original thread about this.  Is someone 
being held to task for making false promises?


On 7/2/2019 11:43 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
IMNSHO, the design is flawed. Any time you start making a passive 
repeater, you are on the path (no pun intended) to a possibly marginal 
link.


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On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:27 AM TJ Trout > wrote:


is it a path issue?

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:22 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

So it appears the magical Aviat radio that Frontier was using
in place of Cambium to cure a chronic problem in Southeast
Utah did not in fact cure the problem.
Surprise...
Frontier PROMISED the Utah Public Service Commission that this
radio was going to cure all that ailed the network.
Of course I never believed that and I felt bad for Aviat as
they were not the ones making the promise.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette

[Bill Prince]

In a word: NO.

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On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:16 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Would you pay $30/month for an invitation-only email app for power email
> users?
>
>
>
>
> https://www.fastcompany.com/90260656/beyond-gmail-the-new-race-to-reinvent-your-inbox
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:25 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette
>
>
>
> I've often thought of that as a million-dollar-app idea.  Wouldn't even
> have to pull the phone out of your pocket to get new messages, just feel
> the vibration.  To send a message just reach in and push the side button.
> Just think of the potential for cheating in school...
>
> On 7/1/2019 7:18 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> If there was a morse code app that allowed you to send texts with a morse
> bug I would use that.
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck Macenski
>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 1, 2019 6:13 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette
>
>
>
> I end up using voice recognition to keep up with my kids when texting.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 6:45 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> One of my nieces texts so fast, they are incoming in a chain almost faster
> than I can read. I think she texts faster than she talks. Naw. She talks
> fast too...
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 7/1/2019 4:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I’m amazed when I send someone a text message and receive a response
> within 5 seconds.  In that time they realized they had a message, read it,
> decided on a reply, typed it probably with 2 thumbs, and sent it, plus
> propagation time through the phone network twice.  And this is probably
> while they were at work, or driving.  Now, that’s real time.  Probably too
> real time.  Back in the written communication era, you would put the letter
> in the desk drawer overnight before sending it.  Email has a Drafts folder,
> so you can think about it and maybe do some editing or not send it at all.
> But texts don’t have a Drafts folder, just a Send button.  No Oops button
> either.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, July 1, 2019 5:56 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette
>
>
>
> Text?  What is this text you speak of...
>
>
>
> I tell my kids I love email because of its real time nature...
>
>
>
> *From:* Matt Corcoran
>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 1, 2019 3:36 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette
>
>
>
> You think writing Etiquette is bad.   How about reading Etiquette. I
> find when you send a clean point by point list via email.  Half the time
> people only respond to the first point and dump the rest.
>
>
>
> Some people think email is just another way to text.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Lewis Bergman <
> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Monday, July 1, 2019 at 10:45 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette
>
>
>
> It's funny. Many people are hyper sensative about privacy, but when their
> internet breaks, they believe you should be able to read their minds, know
> everything about their issue, and be able to devine anything else that
> might have happened in or around their property that might have caused the
> issue.
>
>
>
> I also find the older people get, the less they seem to remember that
> whoever they are communicting with, no matter the method, may not have any
> context for the conversation. Many times, the conversation they were having
> was in their own head.
>
>
>
> Before my father died I remember an email he sent to a model airplane
> supplier he purchased a lot of product from. It basically went something
> like this:
>
> "I got this order in late and some stuff was missing and another thing was
> broken. Can you make this right? Thanks". He probably ordered 5 times a
> month from this company. There is no way they could have been anything but
> confused.
>
>
>
> My dad was well spoken and intelligent and wrote email like he was a
> drunken toddler.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:50 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> I think there are a couple of issues. First, people who attempt to use
> email on their phone with some crappy email interface can barely
> actually send the email, let alone leave any identifiable information.
>
> Second is people who are not even slightly technical who just don't know
> how to use email. E.g.: We have a neighbor with whom we share a private
> road. He will dig up an email string from 3 years ago and "reply all",
> even though the subject line is 3 years old and has nothing to do with
> what he's talking about today.
>
> IOW, I don't think it's so much etiquette as it is ignorance.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 7/1/2019 4:08 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > So I've 

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat

[Bill Prince]

IMNSHO, the design is flawed. Any time you start making a passive repeater,
you are on the path (no pun intended) to a possibly marginal link.

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On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:27 AM TJ Trout  wrote:

> is it a path issue?
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:22 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> So it appears the magical Aviat radio that Frontier was using in place of
>> Cambium to cure a chronic problem in Southeast Utah did not in fact cure
>> the problem.
>>
>> Surprise...
>>
>> Frontier PROMISED the Utah Public Service Commission that this radio was
>> going to cure all that ailed the network.
>>
>> Of course I never believed that and I felt bad for Aviat as they were not
>> the ones making the promise.
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Re: [AFMUG] Aviat

[TJ Trout]

is it a path issue?

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:22 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> So it appears the magical Aviat radio that Frontier was using in place of
> Cambium to cure a chronic problem in Southeast Utah did not in fact cure
> the problem.
>
> Surprise...
>
> Frontier PROMISED the Utah Public Service Commission that this radio was
> going to cure all that ailed the network.
>
> Of course I never believed that and I felt bad for Aviat as they were not
> the ones making the promise.
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[AFMUG] Aviat

[Chuck McCown]

So it appears the magical Aviat radio that Frontier was using in place of 
Cambium to cure a chronic problem in Southeast Utah did not in fact cure the 
problem.  

Surprise...

Frontier PROMISED the Utah Public Service Commission that this radio was going 
to cure all that ailed the network.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette

[Ken Hohhof]

Would you pay $30/month for an invitation-only email app for power email
users?

 

https://www.fastcompany.com/90260656/beyond-gmail-the-new-race-to-reinvent-y
our-inbox

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette

 

I've often thought of that as a million-dollar-app idea.  Wouldn't even have
to pull the phone out of your pocket to get new messages, just feel the
vibration.  To send a message just reach in and push the side button.  Just
think of the potential for cheating in school...  

On 7/1/2019 7:18 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

If there was a morse code app that allowed you to send texts with a morse
bug I would use that.  

 

From: Chuck Macenski 

Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 6:13 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette

 

I end up using voice recognition to keep up with my kids when texting. 

 

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 6:45 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

One of my nieces texts so fast, they are incoming in a chain almost faster
than I can read. I think she texts faster than she talks. Naw. She talks
fast too...

 

bp

 

On 7/1/2019 4:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I'm amazed when I send someone a text message and receive a response within
5 seconds.  In that time they realized they had a message, read it, decided
on a reply, typed it probably with 2 thumbs, and sent it, plus propagation
time through the phone network twice.  And this is probably while they were
at work, or driving.  Now, that's real time.  Probably too real time.  Back
in the written communication era, you would put the letter in the desk
drawer overnight before sending it.  Email has a Drafts folder, so you can
think about it and maybe do some editing or not send it at all.  But texts
don't have a Drafts folder, just a Send button.  No Oops button either.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
 
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 5:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette

 

Text?  What is this text you speak of...

 

I tell my kids I love email because of its real time nature...

 

From: Matt Corcoran 

Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 3:36 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette

 

You think writing Etiquette is bad.   How about reading Etiquette. I
find when you send a clean point by point list via email.  Half the time
people only respond to the first point and dump the rest.

 

Some people think email is just another way to text.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on
behalf of Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Monday, July 1, 2019 at 10:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette

 

It's funny. Many people are hyper sensative about privacy, but when their
internet breaks, they believe you should be able to read their minds, know
everything about their issue, and be able to devine anything else that might
have happened in or around their property that might have caused the issue. 

 

I also find the older people get, the less they seem to remember that
whoever they are communicting with, no matter the method, may not have any
context for the conversation. Many times, the conversation they were having
was in their own head.

 

Before my father died I remember an email he sent to a model airplane
supplier he purchased a lot of product from. It basically went something
like this:

"I got this order in late and some stuff was missing and another thing was
broken. Can you make this right? Thanks". He probably ordered 5 times a
month from this company. There is no way they could have been anything but
confused.

 

My dad was well spoken and intelligent and wrote email like he was a drunken
toddler.

 

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:50 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I think there are a couple of issues. First, people who attempt to use 
email on their phone with some crappy email interface can barely 
actually send the email, let alone leave any identifiable information.

Second is people who are not even slightly technical who just don't know 
how to use email. E.g.: We have a neighbor with whom we share a private 
road. He will dig up an email string from 3 years ago and "reply all", 
even though the subject line is 3 years old and has nothing to do with 
what he's talking about today.

IOW, I don't think it's so much etiquette as it is ignorance.


bp


On 7/1/2019 4:08 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> So I've noticed a slide recently of what I would consider 'Email 
> Etiquette'  Customers send an email with no subject line.  Or reply to 
> an old email, with a new topic.  EG: our 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette

[Nate Burke]

I've often thought of that as a million-dollar-app idea.  Wouldn't even 
have to pull the phone out of your pocket to get new messages, just feel 
the vibration.  To send a message just reach in and push the side 
button.  Just think of the potential for cheating in school...


On 7/1/2019 7:18 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
If there was a morse code app that allowed you to send texts with a 
morse bug I would use that.

*From:* Chuck Macenski
*Sent:* Monday, July 1, 2019 6:13 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette
I end up using voice recognition to keep up with my kids when texting.
On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 6:45 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

One of my nieces texts so fast, they are incoming in a chain
almost faster than I can read. I think she texts faster than she
talks. Naw. She talks fast too...

bp


On 7/1/2019 4:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I’m amazed when I send someone a text message and receive a
response within 5 seconds.  In that time they realized they had a
message, read it, decided on a reply, typed it probably with 2
thumbs, and sent it, plus propagation time through the phone
network twice.  And this is probably while they were at work, or
driving.  Now, that’s real time. Probably too real time.  Back in
the written communication era, you would put the letter in the
desk drawer overnight before sending it. Email has a Drafts
folder, so you can think about it and maybe do some editing or
not send it at all.  But texts don’t have a Drafts folder, just a
Send button.  No Oops button either.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, July 1, 2019 5:56 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette

Text?  What is this text you speak of...

I tell my kids I love email because of its real time nature...

*From:*Matt Corcoran

*Sent:*Monday, July 1, 2019 3:36 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette

You think writing Etiquette is bad.   How about reading
Etiquette. I find when you send a clean point by point list via
email.  Half the time people only respond to the first point and
dump the rest.

Some people think email is just another way to text.

*From: *AF  on behalf of Lewis Bergman

*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Date: *Monday, July 1, 2019 at 10:45 AM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette

It's funny. Many people are hyper sensative about privacy, but
when their internet breaks, they believe you should be able to
read their minds, know everything about their issue, and be able
to devine anything else that might have happened in or around
their property that might have caused the issue.

I also find the older people get, the less they seem to remember
that whoever they are communicting with, no matter the method,
may not have any context for the conversation. Many times, the
conversation they were having was in their own head.

Before my father died I remember an email he sent to a model
airplane supplier he purchased a lot of product from. It
basically went something like this:

"I got this order in late and some stuff was missing and another
thing was broken. Can you make this right? Thanks". He probably
ordered 5 times a month from this company. There is no way they
could have been anything but confused.

My dad was well spoken and intelligent and wrote email like he
was a drunken toddler.

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:50 AM Bill Prince 
wrote:

I think there are a couple of issues. First, people who
attempt to use
email on their phone with some crappy email interface can barely
actually send the email, let alone leave any identifiable
information.

Second is people who are not even slightly technical who just
don't know
how to use email. E.g.: We have a neighbor with whom we share
a private
road. He will dig up an email string from 3 years ago and
"reply all",
even though the subject line is 3 years old and has nothing
to do with
what he's talking about today.

IOW, I don't think it's so much etiquette as it is ignorance.


bp


On 7/1/2019 4:08 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> So I've noticed a slide recently of what I would consider
'Email
> Etiquette'  Customers send an email with no subject line. 
Or reply to

> an old email, with a new topic.  EG: our billing system
sends out
> automated invoices.  A customer will just reply to one of
those
> emails, weeks later, with a service issue.  Doesn't bother