Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07

[Matt Corcoran]

Careful!  While the Lumina does support Jumbo and baby Jumbo frames, it only 
supports them when the interface is running in 1000BaseT.   If your Ethernet or 
fiber switches to 100BaseT for any reason the MTU limit is around 1514.So 
if you use Jumbo frames,  you have to lock the interface to 1000baseT 
negotiation or else a minor cable problem can cause a major MTU mismatch issue.




On 9/9/19, 11:11 PM, "AF on behalf of George Skorup"  wrote:

I'm logged into a Lumina and don't see anything special. I don't think
there are any settings, because it's just a managed switch with a
stated max frame size.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:34 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Natively, without  any settings?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of George Skorup
> Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:32 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07
>
> I believe the Lumina supports 9600-byte jumbo frames.
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
> >
> > We have some SAF CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07 that I am wanting to 
verify the MTU settings on.  Looking to make sure that the MTU is 2000 or 
better.
> >
> >
> >
> > Not seeing an option for it in the firmware.  I know this is probably 
old firmware but its been running for years so we haven’t messed with it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anybody have insight as to their MTU settings?
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul McCall, President
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Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07

[Paul McCall]

Thanks George!

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 11:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07

I'm logged into a Lumina and don't see anything special. I don't think there 
are any settings, because it's just a managed switch with a stated max frame 
size.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:34 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Natively, without  any settings?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of George Skorup
> Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:32 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07
>
> I believe the Lumina supports 9600-byte jumbo frames.
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
> >
> > We have some SAF CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07 that I am wanting to verify 
> > the MTU settings on.  Looking to make sure that the MTU is 2000 or better.
> >
> >
> >
> > Not seeing an option for it in the firmware.  I know this is probably old 
> > firmware but its been running for years so we haven’t messed with it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anybody have insight as to their MTU settings?
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul McCall, President
> >
> > Florida Broadband / PDMNet
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07

[George Skorup]

I'm logged into a Lumina and don't see anything special. I don't think
there are any settings, because it's just a managed switch with a
stated max frame size.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:34 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Natively, without  any settings?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of George Skorup
> Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:32 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07
>
> I believe the Lumina supports 9600-byte jumbo frames.
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
> >
> > We have some SAF CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07 that I am wanting to verify 
> > the MTU settings on.  Looking to make sure that the MTU is 2000 or better.
> >
> >
> >
> > Not seeing an option for it in the firmware.  I know this is probably old 
> > firmware but its been running for years so we haven’t messed with it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anybody have insight as to their MTU settings?
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul McCall, President
> >
> > Florida Broadband / PDMNet
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07

[George Skorup]

Nope, bigger.

Up to 4094 concurrent VLAN traffic allows building many port-to-port
networks paths for specific client services;
Jumbo frame size supports up to 9728 bytes, which allows using longer
header info (VLAN, MPLS) and transmitting more useful content and less
headers, thus gaining on total throughput;

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:32 PM George Skorup  wrote:
>
> I believe the Lumina supports 9600-byte jumbo frames.
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
> >
> > We have some SAF CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07 that I am wanting to verify 
> > the MTU settings on.  Looking to make sure that the MTU is 2000 or better.
> >
> >
> >
> > Not seeing an option for it in the firmware.  I know this is probably old 
> > firmware but its been running for years so we haven’t messed with it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anybody have insight as to their MTU settings?
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul McCall, President
> >
> > Florida Broadband / PDMNet
> >
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> >
> > Vero Beach, FL 32962
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07

[Paul McCall]

Natively, without  any settings?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07

I believe the Lumina supports 9600-byte jumbo frames.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> We have some SAF CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07 that I am wanting to verify the 
> MTU settings on.  Looking to make sure that the MTU is 2000 or better.
>
>
>
> Not seeing an option for it in the firmware.  I know this is probably old 
> firmware but its been running for years so we haven’t messed with it.
>
>
>
> Anybody have insight as to their MTU settings?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> Florida Broadband / PDMNet
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
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Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07

[George Skorup]

I believe the Lumina supports 9600-byte jumbo frames.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> We have some SAF CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07 that I am wanting to verify the 
> MTU settings on.  Looking to make sure that the MTU is 2000 or better.
>
>
>
> Not seeing an option for it in the firmware.  I know this is probably old 
> firmware but its been running for years so we haven’t messed with it.
>
>
>
> Anybody have insight as to their MTU settings?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> Florida Broadband / PDMNet
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Firewall question

[Paul McCall]

Yes, this was the answer guys.  Thanks!

From: AF  On Behalf Of Louis Arsenault
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 8:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Firewall question

It would mitigate looped SM's. I use to prevent broadcast like rogue DHCP 
server and Mikrotik Discovery.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 10:55 AM Vlad Sedov 
mailto:v...@atlasok.com>> wrote:
Would this be beneficial to put, say, all APs on a tower to the same horizon 
value to help mitigate looped SMs?



Vlad


On 9/7/2019 9:40 PM, Louis Arsenault wrote:
I believe what you are looking for is split horizon.
https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:MPLSVPLS#Split_horizon_bridging
Essentially "The basic idea of split horizon bridging is to make traffic 
arriving over some port never be sent out some set of ports"
So ports that are in the same bridge group and you do not want traffic 
forwarded between them then set the horizon value all the same.



On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 8:44 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We are having a network problem.

I have a bridge at a tower that has a bunch of VLANs on it (going up the tower 
on fiber to a Fiber/POE switch. I have each AP on a separate VLAN, but all 
VLANs are in the "LANBridge". I am having an AP acting up and want to separate 
communication between the VLAN's on that bridge
I could enable IP Firewall on that bridge, but I don't know what the Firewall 
rules would be for it to isolate the interfaces (VLANs) on the bridge


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[AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07

[Paul McCall]

We have some SAF CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07 that I am wanting to verify the 
MTU settings on.  Looking to make sure that the MTU is 2000 or better.

Not seeing an option for it in the firmware.  I know this is probably old 
firmware but its been running for years so we haven't messed with it.

Anybody have insight as to their MTU settings?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] generator suggestions

[Seth Mattinen]

On 9/9/19 6:03 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
That’s horrible.  We always had the generators in a separate room.  One 
end of the shelter was walled off just for the generator. But good 
point, sometimes you get stranded on mountaintops.  I have had carbon 
monoxide poisoning twice and did not notice it coming on.  Obviously I 
was lucky both times.



RENO, Nev. (News 4 & Fox 11) — The Washoe County Medical Examiner's 
Office has identified the cause of death for both of bodies found in a 
building on Peavine Mountain on Thursday, Feb. 28.


On March 1, 62-year-old John Finkbohner was found dead along with 
Herbert Primosch, 74, of Tahoe City in a “maintenance type building” 
near the top of the mountain.


The second man has been identified as Herbert Primosch, 74, of Tahoe City.

A spokesman with the examiner’s office said the both men died of carbon 
monoxide poisoning. Their deaths were determined to be accidental.


Most of the buildings located on the mountain are used for 
communications to support several radio transmitters.


https://mynews4.com/news/local/two-bodies-found-on-peavine-mountain

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Re: [AFMUG] generator suggestions

[Chuck McCown]

That’s horrible.  We always had the generators in a separate room.  One end of 
the shelter was walled off just for the generator.  But good point, sometimes 
you get stranded on mountaintops.  I have had carbon monoxide poisoning twice 
and did not notice it coming on.  Obviously I was lucky both times.  

I guess a good CO detector would be a must.  

From: Robert 
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2019 6:51 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] generator suggestions

Please don't put it in an area that any personnel are likely to take shelter 
in.   We lost two good radio techs out this way last year due to that.  Was 
supposed to be safe for them.  Killed them before they could drink 1/2 cup of 
coffee...


On 9/9/19 4:58 PM, Daniel White wrote:

  The Long Lines sites I've visited in Colorado at that altitude had diesel 
generators but they were also not off-grid.  I know the comm site at Almagre 
Mountain was a huge remediation issue with the diesel tanks there.

  Check out the Cummins Onan 5.5HGJAE-2144.  Since it is designed for RV type 
applications it has a dedicated exhaust port.


   Daniel White
  Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations 
  phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
  direct: +1 (702) 470-2770
 
   

  Sean Heskett wrote on 9/9/19 16:13:

Hello fellow borg members, 

We will be building an off grid (solar) tower site at 10,000 feet MSL that 
receives over 500 inches of snow and has a typical settled snow depth of 10 
feet. (I know, we are crazy, but people need internet lol ;)  

Because of the deep snow it will be necessary to put the generator inside 
the telecom shelter that we are building, otherwise it would get buried.  It 
also needs to be propane because at that altitude and temp diesel fuel will gel 
up and refuse to start. At other sites we have typically used a Generac Ecogen 
15kW propane generator.  Everyone I talk to says "you can't put a generator 
indoors" but in this case I have to, and this isn't living space this is a 
telecom shelter on the top of a mountain.  The Ecogen seems un-good for this 
application because it doesn't seem to have one small exhaust port, it's the 
whole side of the unit.  

So i'm looking for a propane generator that is:
1. 5kW or bigger
2.  has 2 wire start (it needs to be smart enough to handle the choke and 
throttle etc. to start when i close a relay)
3. can be installed inside the shelter
4. is super reliable because i don't want to visit this site in the winter

any ideas??

Thanks,
sean


 




   





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Re: [AFMUG] generator suggestions

[Robert]

Please don't put it in an area that any personnel are likely to take 
shelter in.   We lost two good radio techs out this way last year due to 
that.  Was supposed to be safe for them.  Killed them before they could 
drink 1/2 cup of coffee...


On 9/9/19 4:58 PM, Daniel White wrote:
The Long Lines sites I've visited in Colorado at that altitude had 
diesel generators but they were also not off-grid.  I know the comm 
site at Almagre Mountain was a huge remediation issue with the diesel 
tanks there.


Check out the Cummins Onan 5.5HGJAE-2144.  Since it is designed for RV 
type applications it has a dedicated exhaust port.


photograph  
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Sean Heskett wrote on 9/9/19 16:13:

Hello fellow borg members,

We will be building an off grid (solar) tower site at 10,000 feet MSL 
that receives over 500 inches of snow and has a typical settled snow 
depth of 10 feet. (I know, we are crazy, but people need internet lol ;)


Because of the deep snow it will be necessary to put the generator 
inside the telecom shelter that we are building, otherwise it would 
get buried.  It also needs to be propane because at that altitude and 
temp diesel fuel will gel up and refuse to start. At other sites we 
have typically used a Generac Ecogen 15kW propane generator. Everyone 
I talk to says "you can't put a generator indoors" but in this case I 
have to, and this isn't living space this is a telecom shelter on the 
top of a mountain. The Ecogen seems un-good for this application 
because it doesn't seem to have one small exhaust port, it's the 
whole side of the unit.


So i'm looking for a propane generator that is:
1. 5kW or bigger
2.  has 2 wire start (it needs to be smart enough to handle the choke 
and throttle etc. to start when i close a relay)

3. can be installed inside the shelter
4. is super reliable because i don't want to visit this site in the 
winter


any ideas??

Thanks,
sean








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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Firewall question

[Louis Arsenault]

It would mitigate looped SM's. I use to prevent broadcast like rogue DHCP
server and Mikrotik Discovery.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 10:55 AM Vlad Sedov  wrote:

> Would this be beneficial to put, say, all APs on a tower to the same
> horizon value to help mitigate looped SMs?
>
>
>
> Vlad
>
>
> On 9/7/2019 9:40 PM, Louis Arsenault wrote:
>
> I believe what you are looking for is split horizon.
> https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:MPLSVPLS#Split_horizon_bridging
> Essentially "The basic idea of split horizon bridging is to make traffic
> arriving over some port never be sent out some set of ports"
> So ports that are in the same bridge group and you do not want traffic
> forwarded between them then set the horizon value all the same.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 8:44 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> We are having a network problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a bridge at a tower that has a bunch of VLANs on it (going up the
>> tower on fiber to a Fiber/POE switch. I have each AP on a separate VLAN,
>> but all VLANs are in the "LANBridge". I am having an AP acting up and want
>> to separate communication between the VLAN's on that bridge
>>
>> I could enable IP Firewall on that bridge, but I don't know what the
>> Firewall rules would be for it to isolate the interfaces (VLANs) on the
>> bridge
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Paul McCall, President *
>>
>> *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>>
>> *658 Old Dixie Highway*
>>
>> *Vero Beach, FL 32962*
>>
>> *772-564-6800*
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] generator suggestions

[chuck]

Last time I looked in to them they are not suitable for super cold sites.  They 
make copious amounts of water which tends to freeze them up.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 6:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] generator suggestions

I seem to  remember there was discussion here about fuel cells at one point.  
Doing a Google search and clicking on a result at random, I see this:

http://www.redhawkenergy.net/adaptivesofc.html

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 6:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] generator suggestions

 

The Long Lines sites I've visited in Colorado at that altitude had diesel 
generators but they were also not off-grid.  I know the comm site at Almagre 
Mountain was a huge remediation issue with the diesel tanks there.

Check out the Cummins Onan 5.5HGJAE-2144.  Since it is designed for RV type 
applications it has a dedicated exhaust port.

 


 Daniel White
Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
   
phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct: +1 (702) 470-2770
   
 
 

Sean Heskett wrote on 9/9/19 16:13:



  Hello fellow borg members,

   

  We will be building an off grid (solar) tower site at 10,000 feet MSL that 
receives over 500 inches of snow and has a typical settled snow depth of 10 
feet. (I know, we are crazy, but people need internet lol ;)  

   

  Because of the deep snow it will be necessary to put the generator inside the 
telecom shelter that we are building, otherwise it would get buried.  It also 
needs to be propane because at that altitude and temp diesel fuel will gel up 
and refuse to start. At other sites we have typically used a Generac Ecogen 
15kW propane generator.  Everyone I talk to says "you can't put a generator 
indoors" but in this case I have to, and this isn't living space this is a 
telecom shelter on the top of a mountain.  The Ecogen seems un-good for this 
application because it doesn't seem to have one small exhaust port, it's the 
whole side of the unit.  

   

  So i'm looking for a propane generator that is:

  1. 5kW or bigger

  2.  has 2 wire start (it needs to be smart enough to handle the choke and 
throttle etc. to start when i close a relay)

  3. can be installed inside the shelter

  4. is super reliable because i don't want to visit this site in the winter

   

  any ideas??

   

  Thanks,

  sean

   





 




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Re: [AFMUG] generator suggestions

[Ken Hohhof]

I seem to  remember there was discussion here about fuel cells at one point.  
Doing a Google search and clicking on a result at random, I see this:

http://www.redhawkenergy.net/adaptivesofc.html

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 6:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] generator suggestions

 

The Long Lines sites I've visited in Colorado at that altitude had diesel 
generators but they were also not off-grid.  I know the comm site at Almagre 
Mountain was a huge remediation issue with the diesel tanks there.

Check out the Cummins Onan 5.5HGJAE-2144.  Since it is designed for RV type 
applications it has a dedicated exhaust port.

 


  

 


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Sean Heskett wrote on 9/9/19 16:13:



Hello fellow borg members,

 

We will be building an off grid (solar) tower site at 10,000 feet MSL that 
receives over 500 inches of snow and has a typical settled snow depth of 10 
feet. (I know, we are crazy, but people need internet lol ;)  

 

Because of the deep snow it will be necessary to put the generator inside the 
telecom shelter that we are building, otherwise it would get buried.  It also 
needs to be propane because at that altitude and temp diesel fuel will gel up 
and refuse to start. At other sites we have typically used a Generac Ecogen 
15kW propane generator.  Everyone I talk to says "you can't put a generator 
indoors" but in this case I have to, and this isn't living space this is a 
telecom shelter on the top of a mountain.  The Ecogen seems un-good for this 
application because it doesn't seem to have one small exhaust port, it's the 
whole side of the unit.  

 

So i'm looking for a propane generator that is:

1. 5kW or bigger

2.  has 2 wire start (it needs to be smart enough to handle the choke and 
throttle etc. to start when i close a relay)

3. can be installed inside the shelter

4. is super reliable because i don't want to visit this site in the winter

 

any ideas??

 

Thanks,

sean

 





 

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Re: [AFMUG] generator suggestions

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I haven't had a chance to use one of these in production, but several
customers I've talked to at packetflux have reported using a RV generator
with good success.   You'll need to arrange for sufficient ventilation
through louvers, etc..   The exhaust can be through an extended tailpipe.

-forrest

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 4:14 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Hello fellow borg members,
>
> We will be building an off grid (solar) tower site at 10,000 feet MSL that
> receives over 500 inches of snow and has a typical settled snow depth of 10
> feet. (I know, we are crazy, but people need internet lol ;)
>
> Because of the deep snow it will be necessary to put the generator inside
> the telecom shelter that we are building, otherwise it would get buried.
> It also needs to be propane because at that altitude and temp diesel fuel
> will gel up and refuse to start. At other sites we have typically used a
> Generac Ecogen 15kW propane generator.  Everyone I talk to says "you can't
> put a generator indoors" but in this case I have to, and this isn't living
> space this is a telecom shelter on the top of a mountain.  The Ecogen seems
> un-good for this application because it doesn't seem to have one small
> exhaust port, it's the whole side of the unit.
>
> So i'm looking for a propane generator that is:
> 1. 5kW or bigger
> 2.  has 2 wire start (it needs to be smart enough to handle the choke and
> throttle etc. to start when i close a relay)
> 3. can be installed inside the shelter
> 4. is super reliable because i don't want to visit this site in the winter
>
> any ideas??
>
> Thanks,
> sean
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Re: [AFMUG] generator suggestions

[Daniel White]

The Long Lines sites I've visited in Colorado at that altitude had 
diesel generators but they were also not off-grid.  I know the comm site 
at Almagre Mountain was a huge remediation issue with the diesel tanks 
there.


Check out the Cummins Onan 5.5HGJAE-2144.  Since it is designed for RV 
type applications it has a dedicated exhaust port.


photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct:+1 (702) 470-2770

Sean Heskett wrote on 9/9/19 16:13:

Hello fellow borg members,

We will be building an off grid (solar) tower site at 10,000 feet MSL 
that receives over 500 inches of snow and has a typical settled snow 
depth of 10 feet. (I know, we are crazy, but people need internet lol ;)


Because of the deep snow it will be necessary to put the generator 
inside the telecom shelter that we are building, otherwise it would 
get buried.  It also needs to be propane because at that altitude and 
temp diesel fuel will gel up and refuse to start. At other sites we 
have typically used a Generac Ecogen 15kW propane generator.  Everyone 
I talk to says "you can't put a generator indoors" but in this case I 
have to, and this isn't living space this is a telecom shelter on the 
top of a mountain. The Ecogen seems un-good for this application 
because it doesn't seem to have one small exhaust port, it's the whole 
side of the unit.


So i'm looking for a propane generator that is:
1. 5kW or bigger
2.  has 2 wire start (it needs to be smart enough to handle the choke 
and throttle etc. to start when i close a relay)

3. can be installed inside the shelter
4. is super reliable because i don't want to visit this site in the winter

any ideas??

Thanks,
sean





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Re: [AFMUG] generator suggestions

[Lewis Bergman]

Most of the larger sites with very large gensets, including all of
Verizon's and AT"s LATA switching sites have generators indoors. It
sounds like you better put the exhaust and intake pretty high on the
building. I think most with transfer switches, exercise and such are 7kw to
10kw.

I would think that Ecogen would work here too and they likely have an
indoor adapter kit.
On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 5:14 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Hello fellow borg members,
>
> We will be building an off grid (solar) tower site at 10,000 feet MSL that
> receives over 500 inches of snow and has a typical settled snow depth of 10
> feet. (I know, we are crazy, but people need internet lol ;)
>
> Because of the deep snow it will be necessary to put the generator inside
> the telecom shelter that we are building, otherwise it would get buried.
> It also needs to be propane because at that altitude and temp diesel fuel
> will gel up and refuse to start. At other sites we have typically used a
> Generac Ecogen 15kW propane generator.  Everyone I talk to says "you can't
> put a generator indoors" but in this case I have to, and this isn't living
> space this is a telecom shelter on the top of a mountain.  The Ecogen seems
> un-good for this application because it doesn't seem to have one small
> exhaust port, it's the whole side of the unit.
>
> So i'm looking for a propane generator that is:
> 1. 5kW or bigger
> 2.  has 2 wire start (it needs to be smart enough to handle the choke and
> throttle etc. to start when i close a relay)
> 3. can be installed inside the shelter
> 4. is super reliable because i don't want to visit this site in the winter
>
> any ideas??
>
> Thanks,
> sean
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi

[Ryan Ray]

Ditto if Craig doesn't take them. I will take them all.

On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 8:32 AM Craig Schmaderer 
wrote:

> Ryan, email me a price for the entire lot (include what numbers you
> have).  I will take them if it makes sense for me.
> cr...@skywaveconnect.comThanks
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Ryan's Amplex <
> rh...@amplex.net>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Friday, September 6, 2019 at 6:31 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi
>
>
>
> Calix reps hand out demos like candy to get you hooked then...
>
>
>
> I’d like to sell the whole lot together.
>
>
> On Sep 5, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Dan Spitler  wrote:
>
> TR-069 support isn’t actually enabled though. Have to bug them and after a
> lot of back-and-forth they’ll enable a beta release for specific MACs you
> give them. (side-note: I really wish the binaries were readily available)
>
> Of course, I haven’t had time to play with it but think I will tonight.
>
>
>
> How much for a Gigacenter and repeater? I’ve always wanted to try one, but
> didn’t want to bother  with the whole procurement process.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 5, 2019, Ryan's Amplex  wrote:
>
> Welp just figured out what I’m doing tonight.  So much for mowing the
> lawn.
>
>
> On Sep 5, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Clint Wiley  wrote:
>
> I thought the latest Amplifi firmware supported TR-069?
>
>
>
> https://community.amplifi.com/topic/1862/firmware-v3-0-0
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Clint Wiley
>
> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Ryan Hill <
> rh...@amplex.net>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 4:39 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi
>
>
>
> I went through exactly the list of options that you mentioned David.  My
> favorite was the Amplifi, it worked flawlessly but it is expensive, and
> didn’t have access to the unifi controller which stunk.  They answer to
> that has been the Dream Machine which is better but still requires it’s own
> Unifi Controller which stinks for what were looking for.  We explored Calix
> extensively and even bought 25 Gigacenters and the Mesh units(Let me know
> if someone wants them?) but we too didn’t want to undertake using their
> cloud since we own our own ACS.  The onboarding of the Calix ourselves into
> our ACS wasn’t something we have time to do so we scrapped Calix.
>
> This leaves Cambium or Ubnt
>
> We’ve been selling managed router services with the r201s for a couple
> years but just started testing now the  r201s meshed with themselves and or
> the e430H wall units is working ok, or Unifi devices which we are deploying
> rapidly for business class applications and managing with the unifi
> controller.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> * Ryan Hill *
>
>Operations Manager
>
>  *Amplex I**nternet*
>
>   (419)837-5015 Ext 1047
>
>   www.amplex.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 5, 2019, at 4:13 PM, Robert Andrews  wrote:
>
>
>
> We had customers try orbi and found a couple of problems.   1st was that
> you could not set the channel that it used for mesh.   There was a place to
> in the config but it didn't actually change anything ( it lied ) and if it
> chose a channel we were delivering on, all hell broke loose. Second was
> that we had a customer pick theirs up from Costco when they were selling
> them and when the customer went to upgrade the firmware ( hopefully to fix
> the mesh channel thing ) there was no firmware available for the mesh unit
> they had purchased.   They looked, we drove out there and looked,   The
> unit number was nowhere in the orbi support firmwares and could not be
> upgraded.
>
> Disqualified because of those two things..
>
>
>
> On 09/05/2019 11:47 AM, David Coudron wrote:
>
> We looked at a bunch of different options and decided to provide Netgear
> Orbi Mesh.   What we looked at was:
> Ubiquiti Amplifi – worked great in our tests, but there is no remote
> management option
> Calix Gigacenter – also worked great, but really need to commit to their
> cloud management.  That was too big a commitment for just the few meshes we
> do
> TP Link, Google and a bunch of others – all would likely work, but most
> didn’t have remote management and/or a dedicated backhaul channel.
> Mikrotik – Not really in the same category, but wasn’t a serious
> consideration as it was way to complicated and under performing
> Netgear checked the boxes that were important to us:
> Readily available
> Remotely manageable
> Dedicated backhaul channel
> Reasonably priced
> Passed our simple testing
> Regards,
> David Coudron
> *From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Clint Wiley
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 5, 2019 1:36 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi
> Hi all,
> For those of you offering ‘whole house’ wifi services, what are you
> deploying? We know that the one sore point for our 

Re: [AFMUG] GPON SFP switch?

[chuck]

I really tried to get a sample and some tech specs but they stopped 
communicating with me.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 2:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPON SFP switch?

There is a OLT on a SFP+ device that’s AFAIK vaporware… I wish it existed! So 
many uses 

 

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Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
m: 
 
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From: AF  on behalf of Carl Peterson 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Monday, September 9, 2019 at 4:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPON SFP switch?

 

Pretty big question.  Are you talking about the OLT SFP, or what you plug it 
into?   

There is a pretty big range here.  I'm most familiar with Calix.  Kind of like 
a switch that deploys, manages, and configures the WAN of each connected ONT.  
It also manages firmware for the connected devices.  Besides that it is a well 
featured switching platform.  I'm sure there are switching platforms with 
similar features and I'd guess they are similarly priced.  

 

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 2:53 PM Dev  wrote:

  What is the difference between a head end OLT and just some switch that would 
support GPON SFP’s? Is there such a thing? Why are OLT’s so expensive, what 
else do they need to do?
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[AFMUG] generator suggestions

[Sean Heskett]

Hello fellow borg members,

We will be building an off grid (solar) tower site at 10,000 feet MSL that
receives over 500 inches of snow and has a typical settled snow depth of 10
feet. (I know, we are crazy, but people need internet lol ;)

Because of the deep snow it will be necessary to put the generator inside
the telecom shelter that we are building, otherwise it would get buried.
It also needs to be propane because at that altitude and temp diesel fuel
will gel up and refuse to start. At other sites we have typically used a
Generac Ecogen 15kW propane generator.  Everyone I talk to says "you can't
put a generator indoors" but in this case I have to, and this isn't living
space this is a telecom shelter on the top of a mountain.  The Ecogen seems
un-good for this application because it doesn't seem to have one small
exhaust port, it's the whole side of the unit.

So i'm looking for a propane generator that is:
1. 5kW or bigger
2.  has 2 wire start (it needs to be smart enough to handle the choke and
throttle etc. to start when i close a relay)
3. can be installed inside the shelter
4. is super reliable because i don't want to visit this site in the winter

any ideas??

Thanks,
sean
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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[Ken Hohhof]

Oh, a Transformer?

 

I forget, was Bumblebee a Transformer?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 4:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

 

Well, I would say the Surface really is a tablet, since the keyboard is 
detachable. That makes it more of a tablet that can transform into an 
ultraportable laptop that can transform into a desktop...

 

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:18 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

It sounds like you are settling on a very good choice.  But it’s not really an 
iPad or any kind or pad or tab, it’s more of an ultraportable laptop with a 
touchscreen display that can transform into a desktop.

 

Which is fine.  I used to say an iPad isn’t a small computer, it’s a big phone. 
 I don’t think that has really changed.  What has changed is the average person 
is no longer interested in having a computer, they want a smartphone, and/or a 
handheld Netflix viewing device.  But for actual computer work, phones and 
tablets are pretty lame.  Not sure where a Chromebook fits.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 11:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

 

See, all of the hard questions that come up in life can always be answered 
right here.  

Thanks.  

 

From: Jason Wilson 

Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:44 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-dock/8qrh2npz0s0p

 


All the ports you need


With two high-definition video ports, a gigabit Ethernet port, four USB 3.0 
ports, and an audio output, you have all the connections you need. Transform 
your Surface into a desktop PC by plugging in your Dock with the Surface 
Connect cable.

 

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:21 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Dock to a nice large monitor, a normal sized keyboard and mouse.  

Be nice to drop it into a slot when I am at the office.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 8:54 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

 

Dock to what?  It's got a keyboard and stand built in.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St 

 
Suite 1337 

 
Troy, OH 45373 

 

 

 

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 10:34 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Be nice if they had a docking adapter.  

 

From: Dennis Burgess via AF 

Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 8:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Dennis Burgess 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

 

Get a surface.  Bout the same size, full workstation.  Vs icrap .:) 

 

 



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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP 
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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2019 12:44 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

 

My wife is busy (for months) planning some travel for this fall.  She told me I 
am not taking my laptop.  Too big, too heavy etc etc.  (I actually left it on a 
train at Heathrow once, had enough time to go catch that same train and found 
it.)But I digress.

 

She says I can have an iPad.  I acquiesce due to the fact that she micro 
manages these trips and I don’t have to do a thing.  She likes it that way and 
I like it that way.  I just go where I am told to go and I pay.  She makes sure 
I have clean clothes and the proper tickets needed for travel as well as hotel 
rooms.  It is actually pretty wonderful.  She teams up with my UK son-in-law as 
he is like this too.  

 

But again, I digress.

 

I know almost zero about iPads.  I need a human size keyboard.  Hopefully one 
with keys that physically move.  I would like to be able to plug in an HDMI 
monitor too.  Mouse?

 

Dear Borg, what are my options?  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[Mathew Howard]

Well, I would say the Surface really is a tablet, since the keyboard is
detachable. That makes it more of a tablet that can transform into an
ultraportable laptop that can transform into a desktop...

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> It sounds like you are settling on a very good choice.  But it’s not
> really an iPad or any kind or pad or tab, it’s more of an ultraportable
> laptop with a touchscreen display that can transform into a desktop.
>
>
>
> Which is fine.  I used to say an iPad isn’t a small computer, it’s a big
> phone.  I don’t think that has really changed.  What has changed is the
> average person is no longer interested in having a computer, they want a
> smartphone, and/or a handheld Netflix viewing device.  But for actual
> computer work, phones and tablets are pretty lame.  Not sure where a
> Chromebook fits.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 11:55 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>
>
>
> See, all of the hard questions that come up in life can always be answered
> right here.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jason Wilson
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 10:44 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>
>
>
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-dock/8qrh2npz0s0p
>
>
> All the ports you need
>
> With two high-definition video ports, a gigabit Ethernet port, four USB
> 3.0 ports, and an audio output, you have all the connections you need.
> Transform your Surface into a desktop PC by plugging in your Dock with the
> Surface Connect cable.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:21 AM  wrote:
>
> Dock to a nice large monitor, a normal sized keyboard and mouse.
>
> Be nice to drop it into a slot when I am at the office.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 8:54 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>
>
>
> Dock to what?  It's got a keyboard and stand built in.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 10:34 AM  wrote:
>
> Be nice if they had a docking adapter.
>
>
>
> *From:* Dennis Burgess via AF
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 8:30 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>
>
>
> Get a surface.  Bout the same size, full workstation.  Vs icrap .:)
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified TrainerMTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 8, 2019 12:44 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>
>
>
> My wife is busy (for months) planning some travel for this fall.  She told
> me I am not taking my laptop.  Too big, too heavy etc etc.  (I actually
> left it on a train at Heathrow once, had enough time to go catch that same
> train and found it.)But I digress.
>
>
>
> She says I can have an iPad.  I acquiesce due to the fact that she micro
> manages these trips and I don’t have to do a thing.  She likes it that way
> and I like it that way.  I just go where I am told to go and I pay.  She
> makes sure I have clean clothes and the proper tickets needed for travel as
> well as hotel rooms.  It is actually pretty wonderful.  She teams up with
> my UK son-in-law as he is like this too.
>
>
>
> But again, I digress.
>
>
>
> I know almost zero about iPads.  I need a human size keyboard.  Hopefully
> one with keys that physically move.  I would like to be able to plug in an
> HDMI monitor too.  Mouse?
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Re: [AFMUG] GPON SFP switch?

[Gino A. Villarini]

There is a OLT on a SFP+ device that’s AFAIK vaporware… I wish it existed! So 
many uses


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Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Monday, September 9, 2019 at 4:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPON SFP switch?

Pretty big question.  Are you talking about the OLT SFP, or what you plug it 
into?
There is a pretty big range here.  I'm most familiar with Calix.  Kind of like 
a switch that deploys, manages, and configures the WAN of each connected ONT.  
It also manages firmware for the connected devices.  Besides that it is a well 
featured switching platform.  I'm sure there are switching platforms with 
similar features and I'd guess they are similarly priced.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 2:53 PM Dev 
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support GPON SFP’s? Is there such a thing? Why are OLT’s so expensive, what 
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Re: [AFMUG] GPON SFP switch?

[Carl Peterson]

Pretty big question.  Are you talking about the OLT SFP, or what you plug
it into?
There is a pretty big range here.  I'm most familiar with Calix.  Kind of
like a switch that deploys, manages, and configures the WAN of each
connected ONT.  It also manages firmware for the connected devices.
Besides that it is a well featured switching platform.  I'm sure there are
switching platforms with similar features and I'd guess they are similarly
priced.

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> would support GPON SFP’s? Is there such a thing? Why are OLT’s so
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Re: [AFMUG] GPON SFP switch?

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

GPON uses a TDMA system.  
The OLT handles the timing and scheduling.  That's why you can't use a standard 
switch.  The PON module is dumb and takes orders from the OLT.

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Subject: [AFMUG] GPON SFP switch?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[Daniel White]

iPadOS is going to bridge that gap a lot more and should be out of beta 
in the next 30 days.


Apple doesn't have a touchscreen laptop, so in many ways I can 
appreciate them taking their time on this.  Windows with touchscreens 
sucked until they made the Surface.


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Ken Hohhof wrote on 9/9/19 11:17:


It sounds like you are settling on a very good choice.  But it’s not 
really an iPad or any kind or pad or tab, it’s more of an 
ultraportable laptop with a touchscreen display that can transform 
into a desktop.


Which is fine.  I used to say an iPad isn’t a small computer, it’s a 
big phone.  I don’t think that has really changed. What has changed is 
the average person is no longer interested in having a computer, they 
want a smartphone, and/or a handheld Netflix viewing device.  But for 
actual computer work, phones and tablets are pretty lame.  Not sure 
where a Chromebook fits.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 11:55 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

See, all of the hard questions that come up in life can always be 
answered right here.


Thanks.

*From:*Jason Wilson

*Sent:*Monday, September 9, 2019 10:44 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-dock/8qrh2npz0s0p


All the ports you need

With two high-definition video ports, a gigabit Ethernet port, four 
USB 3.0 ports, and an audio output, you have all the connections you 
need. Transform your Surface into a desktop PC by plugging in your 
Dock with the Surface Connect cable.


On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:21 AM > wrote:


Dock to a nice large monitor, a normal sized keyboard and mouse.

Be nice to drop it into a slot when I am at the office.

*From:*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Monday, September 9, 2019 8:54 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

Dock to what?  It's got a keyboard and stand built in.

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On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 10:34 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Be nice if they had a docking adapter.

*From:*Dennis Burgess via AF

*Sent:*Monday, September 9, 2019 8:30 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Cc:*Dennis Burgess

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

Get a surface.  Bout the same size, full workstation.  Vs
icrap .:)

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*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Sunday, September 8, 2019 12:44 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT iPad question

My wife is busy (for months) planning some travel for this
fall.  She told me I am not taking my laptop.  Too big, too
heavy etc etc.  (I actually left it on a train at Heathrow
once, had enough time to go catch that same train and found
it.)But I digress.

She says I can have an iPad.  I acquiesce due to the fact that
she micro manages these trips and I don’t have to do a thing. 
She likes it that way and I like it that way.  I just go where
I am told to go and I pay.  She makes sure I have clean
clothes and the proper tickets needed for travel as well as
hotel rooms.  It is actually pretty wonderful.  She teams up
with my UK son-in-law as he is like this too.

But again, I digress.

I know almost zero about iPads.  I need a human size
keyboard.  Hopefully one with keys that physically move.  I
would like to be able to plug in an HDMI monitor too.  Mouse?

Dear Borg, what are my options?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[Ken Hohhof]

It sounds like you are settling on a very good choice.  But it’s not really an 
iPad or any kind or pad or tab, it’s more of an ultraportable laptop with a 
touchscreen display that can transform into a desktop.

 

Which is fine.  I used to say an iPad isn’t a small computer, it’s a big phone. 
 I don’t think that has really changed.  What has changed is the average person 
is no longer interested in having a computer, they want a smartphone, and/or a 
handheld Netflix viewing device.  But for actual computer work, phones and 
tablets are pretty lame.  Not sure where a Chromebook fits.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 11:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

 

See, all of the hard questions that come up in life can always be answered 
right here.  

Thanks.  

 

From: Jason Wilson 

Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:44 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-dock/8qrh2npz0s0p

 


All the ports you need


With two high-definition video ports, a gigabit Ethernet port, four USB 3.0 
ports, and an audio output, you have all the connections you need. Transform 
your Surface into a desktop PC by plugging in your Dock with the Surface 
Connect cable.

 

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:21 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Dock to a nice large monitor, a normal sized keyboard and mouse.  

Be nice to drop it into a slot when I am at the office.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 8:54 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

 

Dock to what?  It's got a keyboard and stand built in.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St 

 
Suite 1337 

 
Troy, OH 45373 

 

 

 

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 10:34 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Be nice if they had a docking adapter.  

 

From: Dennis Burgess via AF 

Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 8:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Dennis Burgess 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

 

Get a surface.  Bout the same size, full workstation.  Vs icrap .:) 

 

 



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Office: 314-735-0270  Website:   
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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2019 12:44 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

 

My wife is busy (for months) planning some travel for this fall.  She told me I 
am not taking my laptop.  Too big, too heavy etc etc.  (I actually left it on a 
train at Heathrow once, had enough time to go catch that same train and found 
it.)But I digress.

 

She says I can have an iPad.  I acquiesce due to the fact that she micro 
manages these trips and I don’t have to do a thing.  She likes it that way and 
I like it that way.  I just go where I am told to go and I pay.  She makes sure 
I have clean clothes and the proper tickets needed for travel as well as hotel 
rooms.  It is actually pretty wonderful.  She teams up with my UK son-in-law as 
he is like this too.  

 

But again, I digress.

 

I know almost zero about iPads.  I need a human size keyboard.  Hopefully one 
with keys that physically move.  I would like to be able to plug in an HDMI 
monitor too.  Mouse?

 

Dear Borg, what are my options?  


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[chuck]

See, all of the hard questions that come up in life can always be answered 
right here.  
Thanks.  

From: Jason Wilson 
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-dock/8qrh2npz0s0p

All the ports you need
With two high-definition video ports, a gigabit Ethernet port, four USB 3.0 
ports, and an audio output, you have all the connections you need. Transform 
your Surface into a desktop PC by plugging in your Dock with the Surface 
Connect cable.


On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:21 AM  wrote:

  Dock to a nice large monitor, a normal sized keyboard and mouse.  
  Be nice to drop it into a slot when I am at the office.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 8:54 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

  Dock to what?  It's got a keyboard and stand built in.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 10:34 AM  wrote:

Be nice if they had a docking adapter.  

From: Dennis Burgess via AF 
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 8:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Dennis Burgess 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

Get a surface.  Bout the same size, full workstation.  Vs icrap .:) 







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From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2019 12:44 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT iPad question



My wife is busy (for months) planning some travel for this fall.  She told 
me I am not taking my laptop.  Too big, too heavy etc etc.  (I actually left it 
on a train at Heathrow once, had enough time to go catch that same train and 
found it.)But I digress.



She says I can have an iPad.  I acquiesce due to the fact that she micro 
manages these trips and I don’t have to do a thing.  She likes it that way and 
I like it that way.  I just go where I am told to go and I pay.  She makes sure 
I have clean clothes and the proper tickets needed for travel as well as hotel 
rooms.  It is actually pretty wonderful.  She teams up with my UK son-in-law as 
he is like this too.  



But again, I digress.



I know almost zero about iPads.  I need a human size keyboard.  Hopefully 
one with keys that physically move.  I would like to be able to plug in an HDMI 
monitor too.  Mouse?



Dear Borg, what are my options?  



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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[Jason Wilson]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-dock/8qrh2npz0s0p

All the ports you need

With two high-definition video ports, a gigabit Ethernet port, four USB 3.0
ports, and an audio output, you have all the connections you need.
Transform your Surface into a desktop PC by plugging in your Dock with the
Surface Connect cable.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:21 AM  wrote:

> Dock to a nice large monitor, a normal sized keyboard and mouse.
> Be nice to drop it into a slot when I am at the office.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 8:54 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>
> Dock to what?  It's got a keyboard and stand built in.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 10:34 AM  wrote:
>
>> Be nice if they had a docking adapter.
>>
>> *From:* Dennis Burgess via AF
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 8:30 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>>
>>
>> Get a surface.  Bout the same size, full workstation.  Vs icrap .:)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>
>>
>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified TrainerMTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>>
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>>
>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>
>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 8, 2019 12:44 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>>
>>
>>
>> My wife is busy (for months) planning some travel for this fall.  She
>> told me I am not taking my laptop.  Too big, too heavy etc etc.  (I
>> actually left it on a train at Heathrow once, had enough time to go catch
>> that same train and found it.)But I digress.
>>
>>
>>
>> She says I can have an iPad.  I acquiesce due to the fact that she micro
>> manages these trips and I don’t have to do a thing.  She likes it that way
>> and I like it that way.  I just go where I am told to go and I pay.  She
>> makes sure I have clean clothes and the proper tickets needed for travel as
>> well as hotel rooms.  It is actually pretty wonderful.  She teams up with
>> my UK son-in-law as he is like this too.
>>
>>
>>
>> But again, I digress.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know almost zero about iPads.  I need a human size keyboard.  Hopefully
>> one with keys that physically move.  I would like to be able to plug in an
>> HDMI monitor too.  Mouse?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[chuck]

Dock to a nice large monitor, a normal sized keyboard and mouse.  
Be nice to drop it into a slot when I am at the office.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 8:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

Dock to what?  It's got a keyboard and stand built in.


Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 10:34 AM  wrote:

  Be nice if they had a docking adapter.  

  From: Dennis Burgess via AF 
  Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 8:30 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Dennis Burgess 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

  Get a surface.  Bout the same size, full workstation.  Vs icrap .:) 







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  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2019 12:44 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT iPad question



  My wife is busy (for months) planning some travel for this fall.  She told me 
I am not taking my laptop.  Too big, too heavy etc etc.  (I actually left it on 
a train at Heathrow once, had enough time to go catch that same train and found 
it.)But I digress.



  She says I can have an iPad.  I acquiesce due to the fact that she micro 
manages these trips and I don’t have to do a thing.  She likes it that way and 
I like it that way.  I just go where I am told to go and I pay.  She makes sure 
I have clean clothes and the proper tickets needed for travel as well as hotel 
rooms.  It is actually pretty wonderful.  She teams up with my UK son-in-law as 
he is like this too.  



  But again, I digress.



  I know almost zero about iPads.  I need a human size keyboard.  Hopefully one 
with keys that physically move.  I would like to be able to plug in an HDMI 
monitor too.  Mouse?



  Dear Borg, what are my options?  


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Re: [AFMUG] AF Digest, Vol 16, Issue 58

[Ryan McAfee]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/surface-dock/8qrh2npz0s0p?activetab=pivot:overviewtab



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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[Josh Luthman]

Dock to what?  It's got a keyboard and stand built in.

Josh Luthman
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On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 10:34 AM  wrote:

> Be nice if they had a docking adapter.
>
> *From:* Dennis Burgess via AF
> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2019 8:30 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>
>
> Get a surface.  Bout the same size, full workstation.  Vs icrap .:)
>
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>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified TrainerMTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>
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>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 8, 2019 12:44 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT iPad question
>
>
>
> My wife is busy (for months) planning some travel for this fall.  She told
> me I am not taking my laptop.  Too big, too heavy etc etc.  (I actually
> left it on a train at Heathrow once, had enough time to go catch that same
> train and found it.)But I digress.
>
>
>
> She says I can have an iPad.  I acquiesce due to the fact that she micro
> manages these trips and I don’t have to do a thing.  She likes it that way
> and I like it that way.  I just go where I am told to go and I pay.  She
> makes sure I have clean clothes and the proper tickets needed for travel as
> well as hotel rooms.  It is actually pretty wonderful.  She teams up with
> my UK son-in-law as he is like this too.
>
>
>
> But again, I digress.
>
>
>
> I know almost zero about iPads.  I need a human size keyboard.  Hopefully
> one with keys that physically move.  I would like to be able to plug in an
> HDMI monitor too.  Mouse?
>
>
>
> Dear Borg, what are my options?
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Firewall question

[Vlad Sedov]

Would this be beneficial to put, say, all APs on a tower to the same 
horizon value to help mitigate looped SMs?




Vlad


On 9/7/2019 9:40 PM, Louis Arsenault wrote:

I believe what you are looking for is split horizon.
https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:MPLSVPLS#Split_horizon_bridging
Essentially "The basic idea of split horizon bridging is to make 
traffic arriving over some port never be sent out some set of ports"
So ports that are in the same bridge group and you do not want traffic 
forwarded between them then set the horizon value all the same.



On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 8:44 PM Paul McCall > wrote:


We are having a network problem.

I have a bridge at a tower that has a bunch of VLANs on it (going
up the tower on fiber to a Fiber/POE switch. I have each AP on a
separate VLAN, but all VLANs are in the "LANBridge". I am having
an AP acting up and want to separate communication between the
VLAN's on that bridge

I could enable IP Firewall on that bridge, but I don't know what
the Firewall rules would be for it to isolate the interfaces
(VLANs) on the bridge

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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[chuck]

Be nice if they had a docking adapter.  

From: Dennis Burgess via AF 
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 8:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Dennis Burgess 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

Get a surface.  Bout the same size, full workstation.  Vs icrap .:) 

 

 



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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP 
Certified 

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” 

Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services 

Office: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net 

Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2019 12:44 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

 

My wife is busy (for months) planning some travel for this fall.  She told me I 
am not taking my laptop.  Too big, too heavy etc etc.  (I actually left it on a 
train at Heathrow once, had enough time to go catch that same train and found 
it.)But I digress.

 

She says I can have an iPad.  I acquiesce due to the fact that she micro 
manages these trips and I don’t have to do a thing.  She likes it that way and 
I like it that way.  I just go where I am told to go and I pay.  She makes sure 
I have clean clothes and the proper tickets needed for travel as well as hotel 
rooms.  It is actually pretty wonderful.  She teams up with my UK son-in-law as 
he is like this too.  

 

But again, I digress.

 

I know almost zero about iPads.  I need a human size keyboard.  Hopefully one 
with keys that physically move.  I would like to be able to plug in an HDMI 
monitor too.  Mouse?

 

Dear Borg, what are my options?  




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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Get a surface.  Bout the same size, full workstation.  Vs icrap .:)


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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2019 12:44 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

My wife is busy (for months) planning some travel for this fall.  She told me I 
am not taking my laptop.  Too big, too heavy etc etc.  (I actually left it on a 
train at Heathrow once, had enough time to go catch that same train and found 
it.)But I digress.

She says I can have an iPad.  I acquiesce due to the fact that she micro 
manages these trips and I don’t have to do a thing.  She likes it that way and 
I like it that way.  I just go where I am told to go and I pay.  She makes sure 
I have clean clothes and the proper tickets needed for travel as well as hotel 
rooms.  It is actually pretty wonderful.  She teams up with my UK son-in-law as 
he is like this too.

But again, I digress.

I know almost zero about iPads.  I need a human size keyboard.  Hopefully one 
with keys that physically move.  I would like to be able to plug in an HDMI 
monitor too.  Mouse?

Dear Borg, what are my options?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

[Daniel White]

As others have said, and with your known aversion to Apple products, the 
Surface Pro is exactly what you are looking for.


If you go the iPad route... you will need/want the Pro version.  Apple 
makes a keyboard that is a cover that I actually really like.  I'd 
spring for the pencil as well - for things like SolidWorks you will 
probably really enjoy it.


On the 11" vs 12.9" I go with the smaller one personally... but to each 
their own.  Go to the Apple Store in SLC and give them a try.


BTW, there is an Apple event tomorrow which may announce new hardware 
but it is unlikely on the iPad line.  They will probably be talking 
about and giving the launch date for iPadOS which lots of people have 
been waiting for (including me).


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Chuck McCown wrote on 9/8/19 12:32:
She has several iPads so if I want tech support from her I better 
stick with her brand of smokes.

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Sunday, September 08, 2019 12:05 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT iPad question

You just described a laptop.

Also, does it have to literally be an iPad, i.e. an Apple product?  Or 
just a tablet?  My son has some sort of Android tablet.  You could get 
something like a Samsung Galaxy Tab S6.


Or if size is the only issue, get a compact laptop. Dell XPS 13 is 
nice.  By the time you add a cover and a physical keyboard and mouse 
to a tablet, it walks and quacks like a laptop.  You wouldn’t want to 
leave it on the train though.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Sunday, September 8, 2019 12:44 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT iPad question

My wife is busy (for months) planning some travel for this fall.  She 
told me I am not taking my laptop.  Too big, too heavy etc etc.  (I 
actually left it on a train at Heathrow once, had enough time to go 
catch that same train and found it.)But I digress.


She says I can have an iPad.  I acquiesce due to the fact that she 
micro manages these trips and I don’t have to do a thing.  She likes 
it that way and I like it that way.  I just go where I am told to go 
and I pay.  She makes sure I have clean clothes and the proper tickets 
needed for travel as well as hotel rooms.  It is actually pretty 
wonderful.  She teams up with my UK son-in-law as he is like this too.


But again, I digress.

I know almost zero about iPads.  I need a human size keyboard.  
Hopefully one with keys that physically move.  I would like to be able 
to plug in an HDMI monitor too.  Mouse?


Dear Borg, what are my options?


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