Re: [AFMUG] End users contacting Provider consultants

[Lewis Bergman]

Priceless.

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 12:27 AM Timothy Steele 
wrote:

> So I just had an odd experience
>
>
> an end-user contacted me via my website wispconsult.com
>
> she used my site chat to leave her phone number said she had a network
> issue and to call her
>
> I called back within 15min and left a voice mail I also sent her an email
>
> she then sends me an email 10 minutes later yelling saying my site says
> 24hrs her internet is down and I have not replied in 2 days
>
> Then Asked her to contact her provider
>
>
> So if any of you have a Karen with the first half of her email address
> being *finkeland Than her service is down*
> * (her phone number puts her in the new york area)*
>
> *also sorry you have a Karen that lives up to her name*
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Re: [AFMUG] End users contacting Provider consultants

[castarritt .]

Social media one-star review incoming.

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 7:33 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Priceless.
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 12:27 AM Timothy Steele 
> wrote:
>
>> So I just had an odd experience
>>
>>
>> an end-user contacted me via my website wispconsult.com
>>
>> she used my site chat to leave her phone number said she had a network
>> issue and to call her
>>
>> I called back within 15min and left a voice mail I also sent her an email
>>
>> she then sends me an email 10 minutes later yelling saying my site says
>> 24hrs her internet is down and I have not replied in 2 days
>>
>> Then Asked her to contact her provider
>>
>>
>> So if any of you have a Karen with the first half of her email address
>> being *finkeland Than her service is down*
>> * (her phone number puts her in the new york area)*
>>
>> *also sorry you have a Karen that lives up to her name*
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Advice on spending

[Caleb Knauer]

Microwave PTP you can landmark or manually walk azimuth quick enough
and pull in the links so I don't think it's necessary for that.
However with PTMP deployments going to such small slices (aka 30
degree horns) I think your azimuth planning needs to be a lot tighter
and well planned.  120 degree sectors you could meh it close enough,
but 12x 30 horns you need to map it well to make sure you're hooking
up people to the places you think you should be.  Also for CBRS since
it's quite fussy.  Someone on WISP Talk just posted a thing from
someone using them with horns in the last couple days.

Also check attachment methods.  Some of the bungee cord setups are annoying.

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 11:52 AM Steve Jones  wrote:
>
> I got approval from the boss to order a smart aligner. Ive been looking at 
> this for a while, particularly with the need for accuracy in CBRS. Not 
> looking to use it at customer sites, just backhauls and access points.
> We have historically never been verifiably accurate on azimuths, probably 
> rolled out pretty bad too. We have had issues with contractors not installing 
> sites to spec, and having to go back up to turn radios/adjust tilt, etc.
>
> This will be handy for this year, we are dropping in at least 40 new access 
> points and 3 or 5 new licensed links in the next few months. but then the 
> tool will sit
>
> Boss said the worst thing to me, "get it if you think its necessary". If it 
> were a $1k tool it wouldnt be a question bet we are looking at almost 7k on 
> the kit. It meets my accuracy needs, but I almost wonder if the convenience 
> outweighs the necessary. ant his is over half the cost of a licensed link.
>  Knowing my numbers are right in propagation tools holds a lot of value. 
> saving maybe an hour getting a tight link aligned here and there offsets some 
> cost.
> You old timers, is this a justifiable expenditure based on your experience?
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[AFMUG] ePMP 3000

[Andy Trimmell]

I've got a ePMP 3000L on a KP omni antenna and it doesn't have a cover
for it. Does it require the hood like on a sector antenna?

 

Andy Trimmell

Business Manager

PDS Connect

317-831-3000

 

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000

[Mathew Howard]

No... just make sure you seal the connectors properly, and it'll be fine.
Sectors don't really *require* a hood either, it just makes our lives a bit
easier.

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wrote:

> I’ve got a ePMP 3000L on a KP omni antenna and it doesn’t have a cover for
> it. Does it require the hood like on a sector antenna?
>
>
>
> Andy Trimmell
>
> *Business Manager*
>
> *PDS Connect*
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> 317-831-3000
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[AFMUG] Battery heater mat

[Adam Moffett]

If you get those heater mats under the battery will you have a 
temperature gradient where the battery is warmer on the bottom than the 
top?  Will that hurt anything?


Suppose the charger has a temperature probe as well.  My instinct is to 
tape it to the same top post as the thermostat probe.  I figure the lead 
post tells me more about the temp inside the battery, and if they're on 
the same post then the charger and heater are working off the same 
assumption.  Is that reasonable or would you do it differently?


I may be at risk of fussing over details that don't matter much, but 
it's in my nature I guess.




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Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

[Bill Prince]

It probably would depend on the enclosure and/or whether there is 
insulation around the rest of the battery. If the battery has an 
insulation blanket around it, the heat from the heat mat should 
propagate through the entire battery. Heat does rise.



bp


On 2/20/2020 8:05 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
If you get those heater mats under the battery will you have a 
temperature gradient where the battery is warmer on the bottom than 
the top?  Will that hurt anything?


Suppose the charger has a temperature probe as well.  My instinct is 
to tape it to the same top post as the thermostat probe.  I figure the 
lead post tells me more about the temp inside the battery, and if 
they're on the same post then the charger and heater are working off 
the same assumption.  Is that reasonable or would you do it differently?


I may be at risk of fussing over details that don't matter much, but 
it's in my nature I guess.






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Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

[Ken Hohhof]

Heat actually doesn't rise.

Hot air or liquid will rise due to lower density, assuming it is free to rise 
while denser fluids sink.  So it might be true in a flooded battery but not an 
AGM battery.

Also not true:

A pint's a pound.
Ground is ground the world around.
Lightning never strikes the same place twice.

Can't even trust righty tighty lefty loosey, witness twist ties on stuff from 
China and even some Cat5 cable.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

It probably would depend on the enclosure and/or whether there is insulation 
around the rest of the battery. If the battery has an insulation blanket around 
it, the heat from the heat mat should propagate through the entire battery. 
Heat does rise.


bp


On 2/20/2020 8:05 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> If you get those heater mats under the battery will you have a 
> temperature gradient where the battery is warmer on the bottom than 
> the top?  Will that hurt anything?
>
> Suppose the charger has a temperature probe as well.  My instinct is 
> to tape it to the same top post as the thermostat probe.  I figure the 
> lead post tells me more about the temp inside the battery, and if 
> they're on the same post then the charger and heater are working off 
> the same assumption.  Is that reasonable or would you do it differently?
>
> I may be at risk of fussing over details that don't matter much, but 
> it's in my nature I guess.
>
>
>

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Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

[Mathew Howard]

That would be my guess. As long as the battery is insulated reasonably
well, I wouldn't think there would be enough temperature difference to
matter, but I could see it being a problem if the battery isn't
insulated... but heating a battery and not insulating it wouldn't make a
lot of sense to me anyway.

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 10:10 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> It probably would depend on the enclosure and/or whether there is
> insulation around the rest of the battery. If the battery has an
> insulation blanket around it, the heat from the heat mat should
> propagate through the entire battery. Heat does rise.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/20/2020 8:05 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> > If you get those heater mats under the battery will you have a
> > temperature gradient where the battery is warmer on the bottom than
> > the top?  Will that hurt anything?
> >
> > Suppose the charger has a temperature probe as well.  My instinct is
> > to tape it to the same top post as the thermostat probe.  I figure the
> > lead post tells me more about the temp inside the battery, and if
> > they're on the same post then the charger and heater are working off
> > the same assumption.  Is that reasonable or would you do it differently?
> >
> > I may be at risk of fussing over details that don't matter much, but
> > it's in my nature I guess.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

[Mathew Howard]

Good point, but the heat does still have to go somewhere, so it should
eventually propagate through the entire battery... assuming that's the
easiest place for it to go.

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 10:41 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Heat actually doesn't rise.
>
> Hot air or liquid will rise due to lower density, assuming it is free to
> rise while denser fluids sink.  So it might be true in a flooded battery
> but not an AGM battery.
>
> Also not true:
>
> A pint's a pound.
> Ground is ground the world around.
> Lightning never strikes the same place twice.
>
> Can't even trust righty tighty lefty loosey, witness twist ties on stuff
> from China and even some Cat5 cable.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:09 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat
>
> It probably would depend on the enclosure and/or whether there is
> insulation around the rest of the battery. If the battery has an insulation
> blanket around it, the heat from the heat mat should propagate through the
> entire battery. Heat does rise.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/20/2020 8:05 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> > If you get those heater mats under the battery will you have a
> > temperature gradient where the battery is warmer on the bottom than
> > the top?  Will that hurt anything?
> >
> > Suppose the charger has a temperature probe as well.  My instinct is
> > to tape it to the same top post as the thermostat probe.  I figure the
> > lead post tells me more about the temp inside the battery, and if
> > they're on the same post then the charger and heater are working off
> > the same assumption.  Is that reasonable or would you do it differently?
> >
> > I may be at risk of fussing over details that don't matter much, but
> > it's in my nature I guess.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

[chuck]

Yes, gradients!  The net heat transfer is in the direction of the negative of 
the temperature gradient.  
Good stuff...  Del operators and differential equations.  Exciting stuff.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

Good point, but the heat does still have to go somewhere, so it should 
eventually propagate through the entire battery... assuming that's the easiest 
place for it to go.


On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 10:41 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Heat actually doesn't rise.

  Hot air or liquid will rise due to lower density, assuming it is free to rise 
while denser fluids sink.  So it might be true in a flooded battery but not an 
AGM battery.

  Also not true:

  A pint's a pound.
  Ground is ground the world around.
  Lightning never strikes the same place twice.

  Can't even trust righty tighty lefty loosey, witness twist ties on stuff from 
China and even some Cat5 cable.


  -Original Message-
  From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:09 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

  It probably would depend on the enclosure and/or whether there is insulation 
around the rest of the battery. If the battery has an insulation blanket around 
it, the heat from the heat mat should propagate through the entire battery. 
Heat does rise.


  bp
  

  On 2/20/2020 8:05 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
  > If you get those heater mats under the battery will you have a 
  > temperature gradient where the battery is warmer on the bottom than 
  > the top?  Will that hurt anything?
  >
  > Suppose the charger has a temperature probe as well.  My instinct is 
  > to tape it to the same top post as the thermostat probe.  I figure the 
  > lead post tells me more about the temp inside the battery, and if 
  > they're on the same post then the charger and heater are working off 
  > the same assumption.  Is that reasonable or would you do it differently?
  >
  > I may be at risk of fussing over details that don't matter much, but 
  > it's in my nature I guess.
  >
  >
  >

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[AFMUG] OT Pint of water

[chuck]

My first lab standard was 1 one pound bar of a mixture of lead and babbit I 
found in our farm shop.
I cast it and hammered it and shaved it until it weighed the same as a pint 
of water.

I then took it through a metal detector at an airport.
This was right after DB Cooper and it was the first metal detector at PDX.
I was certain that it could not detect non ferrous metals.  I was right.
Told the kids at school, the teacher called BS and I bought the bar to 
school.  Teacher still called BS.
But in those days teachers told me things like "when an atomic reactor 
operates, it gives off particles.  They collect those particles in a 
container.  Atomic bombs are those containers and they break them open when 
they want to unleash the bomb".  Another gem from the same (science) teacher 
"when computers operate they make beeps and boops.  Some figured out how to 
make those beeps and boops in a controlled fashion and that is what a Moog 
synthesizer is".




-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:40 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

Heat actually doesn't rise.

Hot air or liquid will rise due to lower density, assuming it is free to 
rise while denser fluids sink.  So it might be true in a flooded battery but 
not an AGM battery.


Also not true:

A pint's a pound.
Ground is ground the world around.
Lightning never strikes the same place twice.

Can't even trust righty tighty lefty loosey, witness twist ties on stuff 
from China and even some Cat5 cable.



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

It probably would depend on the enclosure and/or whether there is insulation 
around the rest of the battery. If the battery has an insulation blanket 
around it, the heat from the heat mat should propagate through the entire 
battery. Heat does rise.



bp


On 2/20/2020 8:05 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

If you get those heater mats under the battery will you have a
temperature gradient where the battery is warmer on the bottom than
the top?  Will that hurt anything?

Suppose the charger has a temperature probe as well.  My instinct is
to tape it to the same top post as the thermostat probe.  I figure the
lead post tells me more about the temp inside the battery, and if
they're on the same post then the charger and heater are working off
the same assumption.  Is that reasonable or would you do it differently?

I may be at risk of fussing over details that don't matter much, but
it's in my nature I guess.





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Re: [AFMUG] End users contacting Provider consultants

[dave via AF]

LOL +1


On 2/20/20 7:32 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Priceless.

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 12:27 AM Timothy Steele 
mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote:


So I just had an odd experience


an end-user contacted me via my website wispconsult.com


she used my site chat to leave her phone number said she had a
network issue and to call her

I called back within 15min and left a voice mail I also sent her
an email

she then sends me an email 10 minutes later yelling saying my site
says 24hrs her internet is down and I have not replied in 2 days

Then Asked her to contact her provider


So if any of you have a Karen with the first half of her email
address being *finkeland Than her service is down*
* (her phone number puts her in the new york area)*
*
*
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Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

[Bill Prince]

You're right. I should have left that last sentence off the reply. 
However, the first part of the response should still be valid. Wrap a 
blanket around the battery (top and sides, and maybe even under the heat 
mat). The overall temperature of the battery should tend to equalize as 
long as it's not super cold outside the blanket.



bp


On 2/20/2020 8:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Heat actually doesn't rise.

Hot air or liquid will rise due to lower density, assuming it is free to rise 
while denser fluids sink.  So it might be true in a flooded battery but not an 
AGM battery.

Also not true:

A pint's a pound.
Ground is ground the world around.
Lightning never strikes the same place twice.

Can't even trust righty tighty lefty loosey, witness twist ties on stuff from 
China and even some Cat5 cable.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

It probably would depend on the enclosure and/or whether there is insulation 
around the rest of the battery. If the battery has an insulation blanket around 
it, the heat from the heat mat should propagate through the entire battery. 
Heat does rise.


bp


On 2/20/2020 8:05 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

If you get those heater mats under the battery will you have a
temperature gradient where the battery is warmer on the bottom than
the top?  Will that hurt anything?

Suppose the charger has a temperature probe as well.  My instinct is
to tape it to the same top post as the thermostat probe.  I figure the
lead post tells me more about the temp inside the battery, and if
they're on the same post then the charger and heater are working off
the same assumption.  Is that reasonable or would you do it differently?

I may be at risk of fussing over details that don't matter much, but
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

[Mathew Howard]

Well, that all seems pretty logical...

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM  wrote:

> My first lab standard was 1 one pound bar of a mixture of lead and babbit
> I
> found in our farm shop.
> I cast it and hammered it and shaved it until it weighed the same as a
> pint
> of water.
> I then took it through a metal detector at an airport.
> This was right after DB Cooper and it was the first metal detector at PDX.
> I was certain that it could not detect non ferrous metals.  I was right.
> Told the kids at school, the teacher called BS and I bought the bar to
> school.  Teacher still called BS.
> But in those days teachers told me things like "when an atomic reactor
> operates, it gives off particles.  They collect those particles in a
> container.  Atomic bombs are those containers and they break them open
> when
> they want to unleash the bomb".  Another gem from the same (science)
> teacher
> "when computers operate they make beeps and boops.  Some figured out how
> to
> make those beeps and boops in a controlled fashion and that is what a Moog
> synthesizer is".
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:40 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat
>
> Heat actually doesn't rise.
>
> Hot air or liquid will rise due to lower density, assuming it is free to
> rise while denser fluids sink.  So it might be true in a flooded battery
> but
> not an AGM battery.
>
> Also not true:
>
> A pint's a pound.
> Ground is ground the world around.
> Lightning never strikes the same place twice.
>
> Can't even trust righty tighty lefty loosey, witness twist ties on stuff
> from China and even some Cat5 cable.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:09 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat
>
> It probably would depend on the enclosure and/or whether there is
> insulation
> around the rest of the battery. If the battery has an insulation blanket
> around it, the heat from the heat mat should propagate through the entire
> battery. Heat does rise.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/20/2020 8:05 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> > If you get those heater mats under the battery will you have a
> > temperature gradient where the battery is warmer on the bottom than
> > the top?  Will that hurt anything?
> >
> > Suppose the charger has a temperature probe as well.  My instinct is
> > to tape it to the same top post as the thermostat probe.  I figure the
> > lead post tells me more about the temp inside the battery, and if
> > they're on the same post then the charger and heater are working off
> > the same assumption.  Is that reasonable or would you do it differently?
> >
> > I may be at risk of fussing over details that don't matter much, but
> > it's in my nature I guess.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

[Bill Prince]

Probably wouldn't work today.

The Moog was invented when the first computers were leaking the beeps 
and boops. Today's computers are so well shielded that it would have 
made the invention of the Moog Synthesizer non-intuitive.



bp


On 2/20/2020 9:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
My first lab standard was 1 one pound bar of a mixture of lead and 
babbit I found in our farm shop.
I cast it and hammered it and shaved it until it weighed the same as a 
pint of water.

I then took it through a metal detector at an airport.
This was right after DB Cooper and it was the first metal detector at 
PDX.

I was certain that it could not detect non ferrous metals.  I was right.
Told the kids at school, the teacher called BS and I bought the bar to 
school.  Teacher still called BS.
But in those days teachers told me things like "when an atomic reactor 
operates, it gives off particles.  They collect those particles in a 
container.  Atomic bombs are those containers and they break them open 
when they want to unleash the bomb".  Another gem from the same 
(science) teacher "when computers operate they make beeps and boops.  
Some figured out how to make those beeps and boops in a controlled 
fashion and that is what a Moog synthesizer is".




-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:40 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

Heat actually doesn't rise.

Hot air or liquid will rise due to lower density, assuming it is free 
to rise while denser fluids sink.  So it might be true in a flooded 
battery but not an AGM battery.


Also not true:

A pint's a pound.
Ground is ground the world around.
Lightning never strikes the same place twice.

Can't even trust righty tighty lefty loosey, witness twist ties on 
stuff from China and even some Cat5 cable.



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

It probably would depend on the enclosure and/or whether there is 
insulation around the rest of the battery. If the battery has an 
insulation blanket around it, the heat from the heat mat should 
propagate through the entire battery. Heat does rise.



bp


On 2/20/2020 8:05 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

If you get those heater mats under the battery will you have a
temperature gradient where the battery is warmer on the bottom than
the top?  Will that hurt anything?

Suppose the charger has a temperature probe as well.  My instinct is
to tape it to the same top post as the thermostat probe.  I figure the
lead post tells me more about the temp inside the battery, and if
they're on the same post then the charger and heater are working off
the same assumption.  Is that reasonable or would you do it differently?

I may be at risk of fussing over details that don't matter much, but
it's in my nature I guess.





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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000

[Josh Luthman]

The hood was more for shitty Ubnt products.  For epmp it's more about
easier weather proofing.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> No... just make sure you seal the connectors properly, and it'll be fine.
> Sectors don't really *require* a hood either, it just makes our lives a
> bit easier.
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 9:40 AM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve got a ePMP 3000L on a KP omni antenna and it doesn’t have a cover
>> for it. Does it require the hood like on a sector antenna?
>>
>>
>>
>> Andy Trimmell
>>
>> *Business Manager*
>>
>> *PDS Connect*
>>
>> 317-831-3000
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Voip Innovations Support

[Daniel White]

The switch operators I work closely with have mostly abandoned VI. 
Outages/Issues seem to be increasing as well.


We have a trunk through them but don't send much traffic.

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766

Nate Burke wrote on 2/19/20 09:18:
Has anyone noticed a change with VI Support since Sangoma took over? 
Without any data to back it up, it fees like I'm sitting on hold 
longer before someone picks up.  They can still always solve my 
problem when I get through to someone, But they all sound like they're 
sitting in the middle of a coffee shop, or in a train station, there 
is so much background noise, people yelling, music playing, etc.  I'm 
on right now and it sounds like she's on an airplane, like there is 
rushing wind behind her.


I still have no complaints about the quality of the service, it just 
seems like something with Live support has changed.




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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000

[Mathew Howard]

Well, the hood is actually a very good thing for the ePMP 1000, because
those tend to leak around the connectors if you don't tighten the nuts down
(they came way too loose from the factory). The ePMP 2000 comes with a hood
that you can use on it when it's pole mounted, but other than that, I've
never heard of using a hood with an omni. Some omnis have boxes attached
that the radio goes inside (it's an option on some/all of the KPP's), but
that's not quite the same thing.

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 12:14 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> The hood was more for shitty Ubnt products.  For epmp it's more about
> easier weather proofing.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 10:49 AM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> No... just make sure you seal the connectors properly, and it'll be fine.
>> Sectors don't really *require* a hood either, it just makes our lives a
>> bit easier.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 9:40 AM Andy Trimmell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve got a ePMP 3000L on a KP omni antenna and it doesn’t have a cover
>>> for it. Does it require the hood like on a sector antenna?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy Trimmell
>>>
>>> *Business Manager*
>>>
>>> *PDS Connect*
>>>
>>> 317-831-3000
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Concrete pour fun

[chuck]

I doubt that tower is going to blow over.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Concrete pour fun

Here are some pictures of fun this morning..



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Voip Innovations Support

[Lewis Bergman]

We moved to Bandwitdh and Brightlink. Better pricing, less issues, better
support. VI's portal has some advantages but that isn't enough to make up
the difference.

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 12:20 PM Daniel White  wrote:

> The switch operators I work closely with have mostly abandoned VI.
> Outages/Issues seem to be increasing as well.
>
> We have a trunk through them but don't send much traffic.
>
> [image: photograph]
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
> Nate Burke wrote on 2/19/20 09:18:
>
> Has anyone noticed a change with VI Support since Sangoma took over?
> Without any data to back it up, it fees like I'm sitting on hold longer
> before someone picks up.  They can still always solve my problem when I get
> through to someone, But they all sound like they're sitting in the middle
> of a coffee shop, or in a train station, there is so much background noise,
> people yelling, music playing, etc.  I'm on right now and it sounds like
> she's on an airplane, like there is rushing wind behind her.
>
> I still have no complaints about the quality of the service, it just seems
> like something with Live support has changed.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

[Ken Hohhof]

I worked for Warwick Electronics in 1974-1975.  They made TV sets for Sears and 
Kmart, and owned Thomas Organ which owned the rights and manufactured the Moog 
Synthesizer.

My responsibilities were on the TV side, but think I saw the schematics once 
and I'm pretty sure it was a 100% analog design.  No computers, beeps, or boops.

Hammond was the one that used tonewheels to generate the frequencies and 
harmonics.  Still no computers.  Motors.

Apparently now lots of things go bing-bing-bing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgwr9r36zIU


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

Probably wouldn't work today.

The Moog was invented when the first computers were leaking the beeps and 
boops. Today's computers are so well shielded that it would have made the 
invention of the Moog Synthesizer non-intuitive.


bp


On 2/20/2020 9:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> My first lab standard was 1 one pound bar of a mixture of lead and 
> babbit I found in our farm shop.
> I cast it and hammered it and shaved it until it weighed the same as a 
> pint of water.
> I then took it through a metal detector at an airport.
> This was right after DB Cooper and it was the first metal detector at 
> PDX.
> I was certain that it could not detect non ferrous metals.  I was right.
> Told the kids at school, the teacher called BS and I bought the bar to 
> school.  Teacher still called BS.
> But in those days teachers told me things like "when an atomic reactor 
> operates, it gives off particles.  They collect those particles in a 
> container.  Atomic bombs are those containers and they break them open 
> when they want to unleash the bomb".  Another gem from the same
> (science) teacher "when computers operate they make beeps and boops. 
> Some figured out how to make those beeps and boops in a controlled 
> fashion and that is what a Moog synthesizer is".
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:40 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat
>
> Heat actually doesn't rise.
>
> Hot air or liquid will rise due to lower density, assuming it is free 
> to rise while denser fluids sink.  So it might be true in a flooded 
> battery but not an AGM battery.
>
> Also not true:
>
> A pint's a pound.
> Ground is ground the world around.
> Lightning never strikes the same place twice.
>
> Can't even trust righty tighty lefty loosey, witness twist ties on 
> stuff from China and even some Cat5 cable.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:09 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat
>
> It probably would depend on the enclosure and/or whether there is 
> insulation around the rest of the battery. If the battery has an 
> insulation blanket around it, the heat from the heat mat should 
> propagate through the entire battery. Heat does rise.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/20/2020 8:05 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> If you get those heater mats under the battery will you have a
>> temperature gradient where the battery is warmer on the bottom than
>> the top?  Will that hurt anything?
>>
>> Suppose the charger has a temperature probe as well.  My instinct is
>> to tape it to the same top post as the thermostat probe.  I figure the
>> lead post tells me more about the temp inside the battery, and if
>> they're on the same post then the charger and heater are working off
>> the same assumption.  Is that reasonable or would you do it differently?
>>
>> I may be at risk of fussing over details that don't matter much, but
>> it's in my nature I guess.
>>
>>
>>
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[AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Peter Kranz via AF]

I was looking at the cost of bidding on a couple 3.5Ghz PALs for my region.
Looks like I need almost $700k to even try to play based on the minimum
opening bid. 

 


State/
Territory

County

FIPS
Code

Proposed 
CMA 
Bidding

CMA

*

Population
(2010)

Subject to Small Market Cap

Per Block


Bidding
Units

Upfront
Payment

Minimum 
Opening Bid


CA

Alameda

06001

Yes

7

 

1,510,271

No

15,100

$151,000

$302,000


CA

Contra Costa

06013

Yes

7

 

1,049,025

No

10,500

$105,000

$210,000


CA

San Francisco

06075

Yes

7

 

805,235

No

8,100

$81,000

$161,000




 

Peter Kranz
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Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Adam Moffett]

Where did you find that chart?

On 2/20/2020 1:55 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:


I was looking at the cost of bidding on a couple 3.5Ghz PALs for my 
region… Looks like I need almost $700k to even try to play based on 
the minimum opening bid.


State/
Territory



County



FIPS
Code



Proposed
CMA
Bidding



CMA



*



Population
(2010)



Subject to Small Market Cap



Per Block

Bidding
Units



Upfront
Payment



Minimum
Opening Bid

CA



Alameda



06001



Yes



7





1,510,271



No



15,100



$151,000



$302,000

CA



Contra Costa



06013



Yes



7





1,049,025



No



10,500



$105,000



$210,000

CA



San Francisco



06075



Yes



7





805,235



No



8,100



$81,000



$161,000




















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Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

[chuck]

I have a hammond but not the speaker amp.  Someday I may finish that 
project.


-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:46 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I worked for Warwick Electronics in 1974-1975.  They made TV sets for Sears 
and Kmart, and owned Thomas Organ which owned the rights and manufactured 
the Moog Synthesizer.


My responsibilities were on the TV side, but think I saw the schematics once 
and I'm pretty sure it was a 100% analog design.  No computers, beeps, or 
boops.


Hammond was the one that used tonewheels to generate the frequencies and 
harmonics.  Still no computers.  Motors.


Apparently now lots of things go bing-bing-bing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgwr9r36zIU


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

Probably wouldn't work today.

The Moog was invented when the first computers were leaking the beeps and 
boops. Today's computers are so well shielded that it would have made the 
invention of the Moog Synthesizer non-intuitive.



bp


On 2/20/2020 9:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My first lab standard was 1 one pound bar of a mixture of lead and
babbit I found in our farm shop.
I cast it and hammered it and shaved it until it weighed the same as a
pint of water.
I then took it through a metal detector at an airport.
This was right after DB Cooper and it was the first metal detector at
PDX.
I was certain that it could not detect non ferrous metals.  I was right.
Told the kids at school, the teacher called BS and I bought the bar to
school.  Teacher still called BS.
But in those days teachers told me things like "when an atomic reactor
operates, it gives off particles.  They collect those particles in a
container.  Atomic bombs are those containers and they break them open
when they want to unleash the bomb".  Another gem from the same
(science) teacher "when computers operate they make beeps and boops.
Some figured out how to make those beeps and boops in a controlled
fashion and that is what a Moog synthesizer is".



-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:40 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

Heat actually doesn't rise.

Hot air or liquid will rise due to lower density, assuming it is free
to rise while denser fluids sink.  So it might be true in a flooded
battery but not an AGM battery.

Also not true:

A pint's a pound.
Ground is ground the world around.
Lightning never strikes the same place twice.

Can't even trust righty tighty lefty loosey, witness twist ties on
stuff from China and even some Cat5 cable.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

It probably would depend on the enclosure and/or whether there is
insulation around the rest of the battery. If the battery has an
insulation blanket around it, the heat from the heat mat should
propagate through the entire battery. Heat does rise.


bp


On 2/20/2020 8:05 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

If you get those heater mats under the battery will you have a
temperature gradient where the battery is warmer on the bottom than
the top?  Will that hurt anything?

Suppose the charger has a temperature probe as well.  My instinct is
to tape it to the same top post as the thermostat probe.  I figure the
lead post tells me more about the temp inside the battery, and if
they're on the same post then the charger and heater are working off
the same assumption.  Is that reasonable or would you do it differently?

I may be at risk of fussing over details that don't matter much, but
it's in my nature I guess.





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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[TJ Trout]

ditto, would like to see our counties opening bid

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 10:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Where did you find that chart?
> On 2/20/2020 1:55 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
>
> I was looking at the cost of bidding on a couple 3.5Ghz PALs for my
> region… Looks like I need almost $700k to even try to play based on the
> minimum opening bid.
>
>
>
> State/
> Territory
>
> County
>
> FIPS
> Code
>
> Proposed
> CMA
> Bidding
>
> CMA
>
> *
>
> Population
> (2010)
>
> Subject to Small Market Cap
>
> Per Block
>
> Bidding
> Units
>
> Upfront
> Payment
>
> Minimum
> Opening Bid
>
> CA
>
> Alameda
>
> 06001
>
> Yes
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 1,510,271
>
> No
>
> 15,100
>
> $151,000
>
> $302,000
>
> CA
>
> Contra Costa
>
> 06013
>
> Yes
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 1,049,025
>
> No
>
> 10,500
>
> $105,000
>
> $210,000
>
> CA
>
> San Francisco
>
> 06075
>
> Yes
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 805,235
>
> No
>
> 8,100
>
> $81,000
>
> $161,000
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Sean Heskett]

That’s per 10mhz block so if you want all 40mhz available to one entity
you’ll need to times by 4.

That is the Bay Area tho so you’ve got the pop density to fund it if you do
a large buildout.

This is a good example of why WISPA was advocating for census tracts
instead of whole counties.  I’d hate to see what LA, Orange or San Diego
counties are going for.  They are all large in size and a lot of population.

Sean


On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:56 AM Peter Kranz via AF  wrote:

> I was looking at the cost of bidding on a couple 3.5Ghz PALs for my
> region… Looks like I need almost $700k to even try to play based on the
> minimum opening bid.
>
>
>
> State/
> Territory
>
> County
>
> FIPS
> Code
>
> Proposed
> CMA
> Bidding
>
> CMA
>
> *
>
> Population
> (2010)
>
> Subject to Small Market Cap
>
> Per Block
>
> Bidding
> Units
>
> Upfront
> Payment
>
> Minimum
> Opening Bid
>
> CA
>
> Alameda
>
> 06001
>
> Yes
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 1,510,271
>
> No
>
> 15,100
>
> $151,000
>
> $302,000
>
> CA
>
> Contra Costa
>
> 06013
>
> Yes
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 1,049,025
>
> No
>
> 10,500
>
> $105,000
>
> $210,000
>
> CA
>
> San Francisco
>
> 06075
>
> Yes
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 805,235
>
> No
>
> 8,100
>
> $81,000
>
> $161,000
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/20/20 10:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Where did you find that chart?



https://www.fcc.gov/auction/105

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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/20/20 10:55 AM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
I was looking at the cost of bidding on a couple 3.5Ghz PALs for my 
region… Looks like I need almost $700k to even try to play based on the 
minimum opening bid.


And that's only for one 10MHz channel, which IMO is not sufficient for 
what most consumers want with regards to speed these days.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Voip Innovations Support

[Nate Burke]

What issues have you been having?  Since their DDOS problems a few years 
ago, we have not had any service problems.


On 2/20/2020 12:41 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
We moved to Bandwitdh and Brightlink. Better pricing, less issues, 
better support. VI's portal has some advantages but that isn't enough 
to make up the difference.


On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 12:20 PM Daniel White > wrote:


The switch operators I work closely with have mostly abandoned VI.
Outages/Issues seem to be increasing as well.

We have a trunk through them but don't send much traffic.

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766

Nate Burke wrote on 2/19/20 09:18:

Has anyone noticed a change with VI Support since Sangoma took
over?  Without any data to back it up, it fees like I'm sitting
on hold longer before someone picks up.  They can still always
solve my problem when I get through to someone, But they all
sound like they're sitting in the middle of a coffee shop, or in
a train station, there is so much background noise, people
yelling, music playing, etc.  I'm on right now and it sounds like
she's on an airplane, like there is rushing wind behind her.

I still have no complaints about the quality of the service, it
just seems like something with Live support has changed.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

[Ken Hohhof]

What model Hammond?

By speaker amp, you mean a Leslie cabinet?  That would be cool.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I have a hammond but not the speaker amp.  Someday I may finish that
project.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:46 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I worked for Warwick Electronics in 1974-1975.  They made TV sets for Sears
and Kmart, and owned Thomas Organ which owned the rights and manufactured
the Moog Synthesizer.

My responsibilities were on the TV side, but think I saw the schematics once
and I'm pretty sure it was a 100% analog design.  No computers, beeps, or
boops.

Hammond was the one that used tonewheels to generate the frequencies and
harmonics.  Still no computers.  Motors.

Apparently now lots of things go bing-bing-bing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgwr9r36zIU


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

Probably wouldn't work today.

The Moog was invented when the first computers were leaking the beeps and
boops. Today's computers are so well shielded that it would have made the
invention of the Moog Synthesizer non-intuitive.


bp


On 2/20/2020 9:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> My first lab standard was 1 one pound bar of a mixture of lead and 
> babbit I found in our farm shop.
> I cast it and hammered it and shaved it until it weighed the same as a 
> pint of water.
> I then took it through a metal detector at an airport.
> This was right after DB Cooper and it was the first metal detector at 
> PDX.
> I was certain that it could not detect non ferrous metals.  I was right.
> Told the kids at school, the teacher called BS and I bought the bar to 
> school.  Teacher still called BS.
> But in those days teachers told me things like "when an atomic reactor 
> operates, it gives off particles.  They collect those particles in a 
> container.  Atomic bombs are those containers and they break them open 
> when they want to unleash the bomb".  Another gem from the same
> (science) teacher "when computers operate they make beeps and boops.
> Some figured out how to make those beeps and boops in a controlled 
> fashion and that is what a Moog synthesizer is".
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:40 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat
>
> Heat actually doesn't rise.
>
> Hot air or liquid will rise due to lower density, assuming it is free 
> to rise while denser fluids sink.  So it might be true in a flooded 
> battery but not an AGM battery.
>
> Also not true:
>
> A pint's a pound.
> Ground is ground the world around.
> Lightning never strikes the same place twice.
>
> Can't even trust righty tighty lefty loosey, witness twist ties on 
> stuff from China and even some Cat5 cable.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:09 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat
>
> It probably would depend on the enclosure and/or whether there is 
> insulation around the rest of the battery. If the battery has an 
> insulation blanket around it, the heat from the heat mat should 
> propagate through the entire battery. Heat does rise.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/20/2020 8:05 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> If you get those heater mats under the battery will you have a 
>> temperature gradient where the battery is warmer on the bottom than 
>> the top?  Will that hurt anything?
>>
>> Suppose the charger has a temperature probe as well.  My instinct is 
>> to tape it to the same top post as the thermostat probe.  I figure 
>> the lead post tells me more about the temp inside the battery, and if 
>> they're on the same post then the charger and heater are working off 
>> the same assumption.  Is that reasonable or would you do it differently?
>>
>> I may be at risk of fussing over details that don't matter much, but 
>> it's in my nature I guess.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] End users contacting Provider consultants

[dave]

If only we could read :)


On 2/20/20 12:26 AM, Timothy Steele wrote:

So I just had an odd experience


an end-user contacted me via my website wispconsult.com 



she used my site chat to leave her phone number said she had a network 
issue and to call her


I called back within 15min and left a voice mail I also sent her an email

she then sends me an email 10 minutes later yelling saying my site 
says 24hrs her internet is down and I have not replied in 2 days


Then Asked her to contact her provider


So if any of you have a Karen with the first half of her email address 
being *finkeland Than her service is down*

* (her phone number puts her in the new york area)*
*
*
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Jason McKemie]

What is "Proposed CMA Bidding"?

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 12:56 PM Peter Kranz via AF  wrote:

> I was looking at the cost of bidding on a couple 3.5Ghz PALs for my
> region… Looks like I need almost $700k to even try to play based on the
> minimum opening bid.
>
>
>
> State/
> Territory
>
> County
>
> FIPS
> Code
>
> Proposed
> CMA
> Bidding
>
> CMA
>
> *
>
> Population
> (2010)
>
> Subject to Small Market Cap
>
> Per Block
>
> Bidding
> Units
>
> Upfront
> Payment
>
> Minimum
> Opening Bid
>
> CA
>
> Alameda
>
> 06001
>
> Yes
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 1,510,271
>
> No
>
> 15,100
>
> $151,000
>
> $302,000
>
> CA
>
> Contra Costa
>
> 06013
>
> Yes
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 1,049,025
>
> No
>
> 10,500
>
> $105,000
>
> $210,000
>
> CA
>
> San Francisco
>
> 06075
>
> Yes
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 805,235
>
> No
>
> 8,100
>
> $81,000
>
> $161,000
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

[chuck]

B3 I think.  Been some time since I looked at it.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:25 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

What model Hammond?

By speaker amp, you mean a Leslie cabinet?  That would be cool.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I have a hammond but not the speaker amp.  Someday I may finish that
project.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:46 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I worked for Warwick Electronics in 1974-1975.  They made TV sets for Sears
and Kmart, and owned Thomas Organ which owned the rights and manufactured
the Moog Synthesizer.

My responsibilities were on the TV side, but think I saw the schematics once
and I'm pretty sure it was a 100% analog design.  No computers, beeps, or
boops.

Hammond was the one that used tonewheels to generate the frequencies and
harmonics.  Still no computers.  Motors.

Apparently now lots of things go bing-bing-bing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgwr9r36zIU


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

Probably wouldn't work today.

The Moog was invented when the first computers were leaking the beeps and
boops. Today's computers are so well shielded that it would have made the
invention of the Moog Synthesizer non-intuitive.


bp


On 2/20/2020 9:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My first lab standard was 1 one pound bar of a mixture of lead and
babbit I found in our farm shop.
I cast it and hammered it and shaved it until it weighed the same as a
pint of water.
I then took it through a metal detector at an airport.
This was right after DB Cooper and it was the first metal detector at
PDX.
I was certain that it could not detect non ferrous metals.  I was right.
Told the kids at school, the teacher called BS and I bought the bar to
school.  Teacher still called BS.
But in those days teachers told me things like "when an atomic reactor
operates, it gives off particles.  They collect those particles in a
container.  Atomic bombs are those containers and they break them open
when they want to unleash the bomb".  Another gem from the same
(science) teacher "when computers operate they make beeps and boops.
Some figured out how to make those beeps and boops in a controlled
fashion and that is what a Moog synthesizer is".



-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:40 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

Heat actually doesn't rise.

Hot air or liquid will rise due to lower density, assuming it is free
to rise while denser fluids sink.  So it might be true in a flooded
battery but not an AGM battery.

Also not true:

A pint's a pound.
Ground is ground the world around.
Lightning never strikes the same place twice.

Can't even trust righty tighty lefty loosey, witness twist ties on
stuff from China and even some Cat5 cable.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

It probably would depend on the enclosure and/or whether there is
insulation around the rest of the battery. If the battery has an
insulation blanket around it, the heat from the heat mat should
propagate through the entire battery. Heat does rise.


bp


On 2/20/2020 8:05 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

If you get those heater mats under the battery will you have a
temperature gradient where the battery is warmer on the bottom than
the top?  Will that hurt anything?

Suppose the charger has a temperature probe as well.  My instinct is
to tape it to the same top post as the thermostat probe.  I figure
the lead post tells me more about the temp inside the battery, and if
they're on the same post then the charger and heater are working off
the same assumption.  Is that reasonable or would you do it differently?

I may be at risk of fussing over details that don't matter much, but
it's in my nature I guess.





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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/20/20 11:35 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

What is "Proposed CMA Bidding"?



Cellular market area, it would have allowed a bidder to change the 
license size from county up to CMA (and block all of those pesky 
single-county bidders), but I don't think that proposal made the final cut.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

[Bill Prince]

My folks had a big Hammond that we sold with the estate sale after my 
father passed away. I think we had it since around 1967, and sold it 
around 2003. It had a whole "start up" procedure, where you had to run a 
starter motor for so many seconds before you turned on the main motor. I 
think this was because the main motor had a flywheel that it couldn't 
spin from a dead stop.


The family was kind of surprised at how much the bids went up on it, as 
I gather it had become somewhat of a collector's item.



bp


On 2/20/2020 10:58 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I have a hammond but not the speaker amp.  Someday I may finish that 
project.


-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:46 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I worked for Warwick Electronics in 1974-1975.  They made TV sets for 
Sears and Kmart, and owned Thomas Organ which owned the rights and 
manufactured the Moog Synthesizer.


My responsibilities were on the TV side, but think I saw the 
schematics once and I'm pretty sure it was a 100% analog design. No 
computers, beeps, or boops.


Hammond was the one that used tonewheels to generate the frequencies 
and harmonics.  Still no computers.  Motors.


Apparently now lots of things go bing-bing-bing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgwr9r36zIU


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

Probably wouldn't work today.

The Moog was invented when the first computers were leaking the beeps 
and boops. Today's computers are so well shielded that it would have 
made the invention of the Moog Synthesizer non-intuitive.



bp


On 2/20/2020 9:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My first lab standard was 1 one pound bar of a mixture of lead and
babbit I found in our farm shop.
I cast it and hammered it and shaved it until it weighed the same as a
pint of water.
I then took it through a metal detector at an airport.
This was right after DB Cooper and it was the first metal detector at
PDX.
I was certain that it could not detect non ferrous metals.  I was right.
Told the kids at school, the teacher called BS and I bought the bar to
school.  Teacher still called BS.
But in those days teachers told me things like "when an atomic reactor
operates, it gives off particles.  They collect those particles in a
container.  Atomic bombs are those containers and they break them open
when they want to unleash the bomb".  Another gem from the same
(science) teacher "when computers operate they make beeps and boops.
Some figured out how to make those beeps and boops in a controlled
fashion and that is what a Moog synthesizer is".



-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:40 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

Heat actually doesn't rise.

Hot air or liquid will rise due to lower density, assuming it is free
to rise while denser fluids sink.  So it might be true in a flooded
battery but not an AGM battery.

Also not true:

A pint's a pound.
Ground is ground the world around.
Lightning never strikes the same place twice.

Can't even trust righty tighty lefty loosey, witness twist ties on
stuff from China and even some Cat5 cable.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

It probably would depend on the enclosure and/or whether there is
insulation around the rest of the battery. If the battery has an
insulation blanket around it, the heat from the heat mat should
propagate through the entire battery. Heat does rise.


bp


On 2/20/2020 8:05 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

If you get those heater mats under the battery will you have a
temperature gradient where the battery is warmer on the bottom than
the top?  Will that hurt anything?

Suppose the charger has a temperature probe as well.  My instinct is
to tape it to the same top post as the thermostat probe.  I figure the
lead post tells me more about the temp inside the battery, and if
they're on the same post then the charger and heater are working off
the same assumption.  Is that reasonable or would you do it 
differently?


I may be at risk of fussing over details that don't matter much, but
it's in my nature I guess.





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Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

[chuck]

I think that the motor is a synchronous motor but no start winding.
I have not studied the theory of the different "stops" yet on how they 
modify the signal from the tone wheels.
Mine has a really poor finish.  Bad veneer.  Not sure if I am ever going to 
do something with it or not.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

My folks had a big Hammond that we sold with the estate sale after my
father passed away. I think we had it since around 1967, and sold it
around 2003. It had a whole "start up" procedure, where you had to run a
starter motor for so many seconds before you turned on the main motor. I
think this was because the main motor had a flywheel that it couldn't
spin from a dead stop.

The family was kind of surprised at how much the bids went up on it, as
I gather it had become somewhat of a collector's item.


bp


On 2/20/2020 10:58 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I have a hammond but not the speaker amp.  Someday I may finish that 
project.


-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:46 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I worked for Warwick Electronics in 1974-1975.  They made TV sets for 
Sears and Kmart, and owned Thomas Organ which owned the rights and 
manufactured the Moog Synthesizer.


My responsibilities were on the TV side, but think I saw the schematics 
once and I'm pretty sure it was a 100% analog design. No computers, beeps, 
or boops.


Hammond was the one that used tonewheels to generate the frequencies and 
harmonics.  Still no computers.  Motors.


Apparently now lots of things go bing-bing-bing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgwr9r36zIU


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

Probably wouldn't work today.

The Moog was invented when the first computers were leaking the beeps and 
boops. Today's computers are so well shielded that it would have made the 
invention of the Moog Synthesizer non-intuitive.



bp


On 2/20/2020 9:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My first lab standard was 1 one pound bar of a mixture of lead and
babbit I found in our farm shop.
I cast it and hammered it and shaved it until it weighed the same as a
pint of water.
I then took it through a metal detector at an airport.
This was right after DB Cooper and it was the first metal detector at
PDX.
I was certain that it could not detect non ferrous metals.  I was right.
Told the kids at school, the teacher called BS and I bought the bar to
school.  Teacher still called BS.
But in those days teachers told me things like "when an atomic reactor
operates, it gives off particles.  They collect those particles in a
container.  Atomic bombs are those containers and they break them open
when they want to unleash the bomb".  Another gem from the same
(science) teacher "when computers operate they make beeps and boops.
Some figured out how to make those beeps and boops in a controlled
fashion and that is what a Moog synthesizer is".



-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:40 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

Heat actually doesn't rise.

Hot air or liquid will rise due to lower density, assuming it is free
to rise while denser fluids sink.  So it might be true in a flooded
battery but not an AGM battery.

Also not true:

A pint's a pound.
Ground is ground the world around.
Lightning never strikes the same place twice.

Can't even trust righty tighty lefty loosey, witness twist ties on
stuff from China and even some Cat5 cable.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

It probably would depend on the enclosure and/or whether there is
insulation around the rest of the battery. If the battery has an
insulation blanket around it, the heat from the heat mat should
propagate through the entire battery. Heat does rise.


bp


On 2/20/2020 8:05 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

If you get those heater mats under the battery will you have a
temperature gradient where the battery is warmer on the bottom than
the top?  Will that hurt anything?

Suppose the charger has a temperature probe as well.  My instinct is
to tape it to the same top post as the thermostat probe.  I figure the
lead post tells me more about the temp inside the battery, and if
they're on the same post then the charger and heater are working off
the same assumption.  Is that reasonable or would you do it differently?

I may be at risk of fussing over details that don't matter much, but
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Re: [AFMUG] Concrete pour fun

[Cassidy B. Larson]

60 ft.


> On Feb 20, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> Nice!  Ours is only going up 35 ft.  How about yours? 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 11:40 AM Cassidy B. Larson  > wrote:
> Here’s one we did recently..  insane amount of rebar required. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2020, at 11:34 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>> 
>> I doubt that tower is going to blow over.
>>  
>> From: Jaime Solorza <>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:31 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Concrete pour fun
>>  
>> Here are some pictures of fun this morning..
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[AFMUG] OT: About Puerto Rico (for Gino)

[Bill Prince]

But how do you really feel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-GYqakwHdg

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

[Ken Hohhof]

I think the B3 is the model that was prized by many rock bands and is also
featured on many studio albums of different genres.  I've got some Kim
Richey albums which are semi-country and some of the songs have acoustic
guitar + Hammond organ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnUDy5Fbkk4

Most people will think of House of the Rising Sun which was not a Hammond.

But if you think of a famous rock song with an organ, it's probably a B3.
Nothing sounds like it, although I think they have programmed synthesizers
to mimic the sound.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 1:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I think that the motor is a synchronous motor but no start winding.
I have not studied the theory of the different "stops" yet on how they
modify the signal from the tone wheels.
Mine has a really poor finish.  Bad veneer.  Not sure if I am ever going to
do something with it or not.

-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

My folks had a big Hammond that we sold with the estate sale after my father
passed away. I think we had it since around 1967, and sold it around 2003.
It had a whole "start up" procedure, where you had to run a starter motor
for so many seconds before you turned on the main motor. I think this was
because the main motor had a flywheel that it couldn't spin from a dead
stop.

The family was kind of surprised at how much the bids went up on it, as I
gather it had become somewhat of a collector's item.


bp


On 2/20/2020 10:58 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> I have a hammond but not the speaker amp.  Someday I may finish that 
> project.
>
> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:46 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water
>
> I worked for Warwick Electronics in 1974-1975.  They made TV sets for 
> Sears and Kmart, and owned Thomas Organ which owned the rights and 
> manufactured the Moog Synthesizer.
>
> My responsibilities were on the TV side, but think I saw the 
> schematics once and I'm pretty sure it was a 100% analog design. No 
> computers, beeps, or boops.
>
> Hammond was the one that used tonewheels to generate the frequencies 
> and harmonics.  Still no computers.  Motors.
>
> Apparently now lots of things go bing-bing-bing:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgwr9r36zIU
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:50 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water
>
> Probably wouldn't work today.
>
> The Moog was invented when the first computers were leaking the beeps 
> and boops. Today's computers are so well shielded that it would have 
> made the invention of the Moog Synthesizer non-intuitive.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/20/2020 9:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> My first lab standard was 1 one pound bar of a mixture of lead and 
>> babbit I found in our farm shop.
>> I cast it and hammered it and shaved it until it weighed the same as 
>> a pint of water.
>> I then took it through a metal detector at an airport.
>> This was right after DB Cooper and it was the first metal detector at 
>> PDX.
>> I was certain that it could not detect non ferrous metals.  I was right.
>> Told the kids at school, the teacher called BS and I bought the bar 
>> to school.  Teacher still called BS.
>> But in those days teachers told me things like "when an atomic 
>> reactor operates, it gives off particles.  They collect those 
>> particles in a container.  Atomic bombs are those containers and they 
>> break them open when they want to unleash the bomb".  Another gem 
>> from the same
>> (science) teacher "when computers operate they make beeps and boops.
>> Some figured out how to make those beeps and boops in a controlled 
>> fashion and that is what a Moog synthesizer is".
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:40 AM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat
>>
>> Heat actually doesn't rise.
>>
>> Hot air or liquid will rise due to lower density, assuming it is free 
>> to rise while denser fluids sink.  So it might be true in a flooded 
>> battery but not an AGM battery.
>>
>> Also not true:
>>
>> A pint's a pound.
>> Ground is ground the world around.
>> Lightning never strikes the same place twice.
>>
>> Can't even trust righty tighty lefty loosey, witness twist ties on 
>> stuff from China and even some Cat5 cable.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:09 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat
>>
>> It probably would depend on the enclosure and/or whether there is 
>> insulation around the rest of the battery. If th

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Voip Innovations Support

[Lewis Bergman]

That DDOS attack was a total outage. If you watch their support you'll see
frequent outages that affect their higher tier carriers for some reason. We
only used their highest tier and found we were being moved to their lower
tiers during those issues. They also didn't, at that time, have the ability
to do SMS on their numbers so that is not a reliability issue.

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 1:22 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> What issues have you been having?  Since their DDOS problems a few years
> ago, we have not had any service problems.
>
> On 2/20/2020 12:41 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> We moved to Bandwitdh and Brightlink. Better pricing, less issues, better
> support. VI's portal has some advantages but that isn't enough to make up
> the difference.
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 12:20 PM Daniel White  wrote:
>
>> The switch operators I work closely with have mostly abandoned VI.
>> Outages/Issues seem to be increasing as well.
>>
>> We have a trunk through them but don't send much traffic.
>>
>> [image: photograph]
>> Daniel White
>> Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
>> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
>> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>> Nate Burke wrote on 2/19/20 09:18:
>>
>> Has anyone noticed a change with VI Support since Sangoma took over?
>> Without any data to back it up, it fees like I'm sitting on hold longer
>> before someone picks up.  They can still always solve my problem when I get
>> through to someone, But they all sound like they're sitting in the middle
>> of a coffee shop, or in a train station, there is so much background noise,
>> people yelling, music playing, etc.  I'm on right now and it sounds like
>> she's on an airplane, like there is rushing wind behind her.
>>
>> I still have no complaints about the quality of the service, it just
>> seems like something with Live support has changed.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

[chuck]

I think I may have the spinning speaker somewhere.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 2:01 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I think the B3 is the model that was prized by many rock bands and is also
featured on many studio albums of different genres.  I've got some Kim
Richey albums which are semi-country and some of the songs have acoustic
guitar + Hammond organ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnUDy5Fbkk4

Most people will think of House of the Rising Sun which was not a Hammond.

But if you think of a famous rock song with an organ, it's probably a B3.
Nothing sounds like it, although I think they have programmed synthesizers
to mimic the sound.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 1:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I think that the motor is a synchronous motor but no start winding.
I have not studied the theory of the different "stops" yet on how they
modify the signal from the tone wheels.
Mine has a really poor finish.  Bad veneer.  Not sure if I am ever going to
do something with it or not.

-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

My folks had a big Hammond that we sold with the estate sale after my father
passed away. I think we had it since around 1967, and sold it around 2003.
It had a whole "start up" procedure, where you had to run a starter motor
for so many seconds before you turned on the main motor. I think this was
because the main motor had a flywheel that it couldn't spin from a dead
stop.

The family was kind of surprised at how much the bids went up on it, as I
gather it had become somewhat of a collector's item.


bp


On 2/20/2020 10:58 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I have a hammond but not the speaker amp.  Someday I may finish that
project.

-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:46 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I worked for Warwick Electronics in 1974-1975.  They made TV sets for
Sears and Kmart, and owned Thomas Organ which owned the rights and
manufactured the Moog Synthesizer.

My responsibilities were on the TV side, but think I saw the
schematics once and I'm pretty sure it was a 100% analog design. No
computers, beeps, or boops.

Hammond was the one that used tonewheels to generate the frequencies
and harmonics.  Still no computers.  Motors.

Apparently now lots of things go bing-bing-bing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgwr9r36zIU


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

Probably wouldn't work today.

The Moog was invented when the first computers were leaking the beeps
and boops. Today's computers are so well shielded that it would have
made the invention of the Moog Synthesizer non-intuitive.


bp


On 2/20/2020 9:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My first lab standard was 1 one pound bar of a mixture of lead and
babbit I found in our farm shop.
I cast it and hammered it and shaved it until it weighed the same as
a pint of water.
I then took it through a metal detector at an airport.
This was right after DB Cooper and it was the first metal detector at
PDX.
I was certain that it could not detect non ferrous metals.  I was right.
Told the kids at school, the teacher called BS and I bought the bar
to school.  Teacher still called BS.
But in those days teachers told me things like "when an atomic
reactor operates, it gives off particles.  They collect those
particles in a container.  Atomic bombs are those containers and they
break them open when they want to unleash the bomb".  Another gem
from the same
(science) teacher "when computers operate they make beeps and boops.
Some figured out how to make those beeps and boops in a controlled
fashion and that is what a Moog synthesizer is".



-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:40 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

Heat actually doesn't rise.

Hot air or liquid will rise due to lower density, assuming it is free
to rise while denser fluids sink.  So it might be true in a flooded
battery but not an AGM battery.

Also not true:

A pint's a pound.
Ground is ground the world around.
Lightning never strikes the same place twice.

Can't even trust righty tighty lefty loosey, witness twist ties on
stuff from China and even some Cat5 cable.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat

It probably would depend on the enclosure and/or whether there is
insulation around the rest of the battery. If the batte

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

[Ken Hohhof]

If nobody at your house plays and you want to sell it, you can probably get
some good money for it.  If the finish is beat up, just tell people it was
on tour with Deep Purple or something.

Leslie I believe was a separate company but closely associated with Hammond
organs.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 3:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I think I may have the spinning speaker somewhere.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 2:01 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I think the B3 is the model that was prized by many rock bands and is also
featured on many studio albums of different genres.  I've got some Kim
Richey albums which are semi-country and some of the songs have acoustic
guitar + Hammond organ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnUDy5Fbkk4

Most people will think of House of the Rising Sun which was not a Hammond.

But if you think of a famous rock song with an organ, it's probably a B3.
Nothing sounds like it, although I think they have programmed synthesizers
to mimic the sound.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 1:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I think that the motor is a synchronous motor but no start winding.
I have not studied the theory of the different "stops" yet on how they
modify the signal from the tone wheels.
Mine has a really poor finish.  Bad veneer.  Not sure if I am ever going to
do something with it or not.

-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

My folks had a big Hammond that we sold with the estate sale after my father
passed away. I think we had it since around 1967, and sold it around 2003.
It had a whole "start up" procedure, where you had to run a starter motor
for so many seconds before you turned on the main motor. I think this was
because the main motor had a flywheel that it couldn't spin from a dead
stop.

The family was kind of surprised at how much the bids went up on it, as I
gather it had become somewhat of a collector's item.


bp


On 2/20/2020 10:58 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> I have a hammond but not the speaker amp.  Someday I may finish that 
> project.
>
> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:46 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water
>
> I worked for Warwick Electronics in 1974-1975.  They made TV sets for 
> Sears and Kmart, and owned Thomas Organ which owned the rights and 
> manufactured the Moog Synthesizer.
>
> My responsibilities were on the TV side, but think I saw the 
> schematics once and I'm pretty sure it was a 100% analog design. No 
> computers, beeps, or boops.
>
> Hammond was the one that used tonewheels to generate the frequencies 
> and harmonics.  Still no computers.  Motors.
>
> Apparently now lots of things go bing-bing-bing:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgwr9r36zIU
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:50 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water
>
> Probably wouldn't work today.
>
> The Moog was invented when the first computers were leaking the beeps 
> and boops. Today's computers are so well shielded that it would have 
> made the invention of the Moog Synthesizer non-intuitive.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/20/2020 9:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> My first lab standard was 1 one pound bar of a mixture of lead and 
>> babbit I found in our farm shop.
>> I cast it and hammered it and shaved it until it weighed the same as 
>> a pint of water.
>> I then took it through a metal detector at an airport.
>> This was right after DB Cooper and it was the first metal detector at 
>> PDX.
>> I was certain that it could not detect non ferrous metals.  I was right.
>> Told the kids at school, the teacher called BS and I bought the bar 
>> to school.  Teacher still called BS.
>> But in those days teachers told me things like "when an atomic 
>> reactor operates, it gives off particles.  They collect those 
>> particles in a container.  Atomic bombs are those containers and they 
>> break them open when they want to unleash the bomb".  Another gem 
>> from the same
>> (science) teacher "when computers operate they make beeps and boops.
>> Some figured out how to make those beeps and boops in a controlled 
>> fashion and that is what a Moog synthesizer is".
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:40 AM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Battery heater mat
>>
>> Heat actually doesn't rise.
>>
>> Hot air or liquid will rise due to lower density, assuming it i

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

[chuck]

I claim to be able to play a little.  But I also claim to be able to speak 
Spanish, fly a helicopter and to levitate when inspired by the right guru 
and the right drugs.
I have a fantasy of setting it up in our shop and blasting some Elton John 
over 22,400 square feet of production floor.

I am semi retired and bored to death.  It may happen.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 3:00 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

If nobody at your house plays and you want to sell it, you can probably get
some good money for it.  If the finish is beat up, just tell people it was
on tour with Deep Purple or something.

Leslie I believe was a separate company but closely associated with Hammond
organs.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 3:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I think I may have the spinning speaker somewhere.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 2:01 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I think the B3 is the model that was prized by many rock bands and is also
featured on many studio albums of different genres.  I've got some Kim
Richey albums which are semi-country and some of the songs have acoustic
guitar + Hammond organ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnUDy5Fbkk4

Most people will think of House of the Rising Sun which was not a Hammond.

But if you think of a famous rock song with an organ, it's probably a B3.
Nothing sounds like it, although I think they have programmed synthesizers
to mimic the sound.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 1:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I think that the motor is a synchronous motor but no start winding.
I have not studied the theory of the different "stops" yet on how they
modify the signal from the tone wheels.
Mine has a really poor finish.  Bad veneer.  Not sure if I am ever going to
do something with it or not.

-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

My folks had a big Hammond that we sold with the estate sale after my father
passed away. I think we had it since around 1967, and sold it around 2003.
It had a whole "start up" procedure, where you had to run a starter motor
for so many seconds before you turned on the main motor. I think this was
because the main motor had a flywheel that it couldn't spin from a dead
stop.

The family was kind of surprised at how much the bids went up on it, as I
gather it had become somewhat of a collector's item.


bp


On 2/20/2020 10:58 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I have a hammond but not the speaker amp.  Someday I may finish that
project.

-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:46 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I worked for Warwick Electronics in 1974-1975.  They made TV sets for
Sears and Kmart, and owned Thomas Organ which owned the rights and
manufactured the Moog Synthesizer.

My responsibilities were on the TV side, but think I saw the
schematics once and I'm pretty sure it was a 100% analog design. No
computers, beeps, or boops.

Hammond was the one that used tonewheels to generate the frequencies
and harmonics.  Still no computers.  Motors.

Apparently now lots of things go bing-bing-bing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgwr9r36zIU


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

Probably wouldn't work today.

The Moog was invented when the first computers were leaking the beeps
and boops. Today's computers are so well shielded that it would have
made the invention of the Moog Synthesizer non-intuitive.


bp


On 2/20/2020 9:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My first lab standard was 1 one pound bar of a mixture of lead and
babbit I found in our farm shop.
I cast it and hammered it and shaved it until it weighed the same as
a pint of water.
I then took it through a metal detector at an airport.
This was right after DB Cooper and it was the first metal detector at
PDX.
I was certain that it could not detect non ferrous metals.  I was right.
Told the kids at school, the teacher called BS and I bought the bar
to school.  Teacher still called BS.
But in those days teachers told me things like "when an atomic
reactor operates, it gives off particles.  They collect those
particles in a container.  Atomic bombs are those containers and they
break them open when they want to unleash the bomb".  Another gem
from the same
(science) teacher "when computers operate they make beeps and boops.
Some figured out how to mak

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

[chuck]

I am starting to suspect that there are more youtube videos than I have time 
to watch...


-Original Message- 
From: ch...@wbmfg.com

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 3:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I claim to be able to play a little.  But I also claim to be able to speak
Spanish, fly a helicopter and to levitate when inspired by the right guru
and the right drugs.
I have a fantasy of setting it up in our shop and blasting some Elton John
over 22,400 square feet of production floor.
I am semi retired and bored to death.  It may happen.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 3:00 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

If nobody at your house plays and you want to sell it, you can probably get
some good money for it.  If the finish is beat up, just tell people it was
on tour with Deep Purple or something.

Leslie I believe was a separate company but closely associated with Hammond
organs.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 3:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I think I may have the spinning speaker somewhere.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 2:01 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I think the B3 is the model that was prized by many rock bands and is also
featured on many studio albums of different genres.  I've got some Kim
Richey albums which are semi-country and some of the songs have acoustic
guitar + Hammond organ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnUDy5Fbkk4

Most people will think of House of the Rising Sun which was not a Hammond.

But if you think of a famous rock song with an organ, it's probably a B3.
Nothing sounds like it, although I think they have programmed synthesizers
to mimic the sound.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 1:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I think that the motor is a synchronous motor but no start winding.
I have not studied the theory of the different "stops" yet on how they
modify the signal from the tone wheels.
Mine has a really poor finish.  Bad veneer.  Not sure if I am ever going to
do something with it or not.

-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

My folks had a big Hammond that we sold with the estate sale after my father
passed away. I think we had it since around 1967, and sold it around 2003.
It had a whole "start up" procedure, where you had to run a starter motor
for so many seconds before you turned on the main motor. I think this was
because the main motor had a flywheel that it couldn't spin from a dead
stop.

The family was kind of surprised at how much the bids went up on it, as I
gather it had become somewhat of a collector's item.


bp


On 2/20/2020 10:58 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I have a hammond but not the speaker amp.  Someday I may finish that
project.

-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:46 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

I worked for Warwick Electronics in 1974-1975.  They made TV sets for
Sears and Kmart, and owned Thomas Organ which owned the rights and
manufactured the Moog Synthesizer.

My responsibilities were on the TV side, but think I saw the
schematics once and I'm pretty sure it was a 100% analog design. No
computers, beeps, or boops.

Hammond was the one that used tonewheels to generate the frequencies
and harmonics.  Still no computers.  Motors.

Apparently now lots of things go bing-bing-bing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgwr9r36zIU


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

Probably wouldn't work today.

The Moog was invented when the first computers were leaking the beeps
and boops. Today's computers are so well shielded that it would have
made the invention of the Moog Synthesizer non-intuitive.


bp


On 2/20/2020 9:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My first lab standard was 1 one pound bar of a mixture of lead and
babbit I found in our farm shop.
I cast it and hammered it and shaved it until it weighed the same as
a pint of water.
I then took it through a metal detector at an airport.
This was right after DB Cooper and it was the first metal detector at
PDX.
I was certain that it could not detect non ferrous metals.  I was right.
Told the kids at school, the teacher called BS and I bought the bar
to school.  Teacher still called BS.
But in those days teachers told me things like "when an atomic
reactor operates, it gives off particles.  They col

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water

[Lewis Bergman]

Semi is the best kind of retired.

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 4:13 PM  wrote:

> I claim to be able to play a little.  But I also claim to be able to speak
> Spanish, fly a helicopter and to levitate when inspired by the right guru
> and the right drugs.
> I have a fantasy of setting it up in our shop and blasting some Elton John
> over 22,400 square feet of production floor.
> I am semi retired and bored to death.  It may happen.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 3:00 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water
>
> If nobody at your house plays and you want to sell it, you can probably get
> some good money for it.  If the finish is beat up, just tell people it was
> on tour with Deep Purple or something.
>
> Leslie I believe was a separate company but closely associated with Hammond
> organs.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 3:24 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water
>
> I think I may have the spinning speaker somewhere.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 2:01 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water
>
> I think the B3 is the model that was prized by many rock bands and is also
> featured on many studio albums of different genres.  I've got some Kim
> Richey albums which are semi-country and some of the songs have acoustic
> guitar + Hammond organ.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnUDy5Fbkk4
>
> Most people will think of House of the Rising Sun which was not a Hammond.
>
> But if you think of a famous rock song with an organ, it's probably a B3.
> Nothing sounds like it, although I think they have programmed synthesizers
> to mimic the sound.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 1:58 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water
>
> I think that the motor is a synchronous motor but no start winding.
> I have not studied the theory of the different "stops" yet on how they
> modify the signal from the tone wheels.
> Mine has a really poor finish.  Bad veneer.  Not sure if I am ever going to
> do something with it or not.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:47 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water
>
> My folks had a big Hammond that we sold with the estate sale after my
> father
> passed away. I think we had it since around 1967, and sold it around 2003.
> It had a whole "start up" procedure, where you had to run a starter motor
> for so many seconds before you turned on the main motor. I think this was
> because the main motor had a flywheel that it couldn't spin from a dead
> stop.
>
> The family was kind of surprised at how much the bids went up on it, as I
> gather it had become somewhat of a collector's item.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/20/2020 10:58 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > I have a hammond but not the speaker amp.  Someday I may finish that
> > project.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
> > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:46 AM
> > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water
> >
> > I worked for Warwick Electronics in 1974-1975.  They made TV sets for
> > Sears and Kmart, and owned Thomas Organ which owned the rights and
> > manufactured the Moog Synthesizer.
> >
> > My responsibilities were on the TV side, but think I saw the
> > schematics once and I'm pretty sure it was a 100% analog design. No
> > computers, beeps, or boops.
> >
> > Hammond was the one that used tonewheels to generate the frequencies
> > and harmonics.  Still no computers.  Motors.
> >
> > Apparently now lots of things go bing-bing-bing:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgwr9r36zIU
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:50 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pint of water
> >
> > Probably wouldn't work today.
> >
> > The Moog was invented when the first computers were leaking the beeps
> > and boops. Today's computers are so well shielded that it would have
> > made the invention of the Moog Synthesizer non-intuitive.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 2/20/2020 9:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >> My first lab standard was 1 one pound bar of a mixture of lead and
> >> babbit I found in our farm shop.
> >> I cast it and hammered it and shaved it until it weighed the same as
> >> a pint of water.
> >> I then took it through a metal detector at an airport.
> >> This was right after DB Cooper and it was the first metal detector at
> >> PDX.
> >> I was certain that it could not detect non ferrous metals.  I was right.
> >> Told the kids at school, the teacher called BS and I bought the bar
> >> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - turo.com

[Layne Sisk]

Cheaper, more convenient, and you get a much better selection of cars.  Have 
rented a Tesla, a Porsche, and several Mercedes for the same prices that I 
would have paid for a Ford Escape.  Best one was a BMW convertible to drive 
Pacific Coast Highway.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
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[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 2:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - turo.com

How does the price compare with normal rentals?

From: Layne Sisk
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 12:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - turo.com

I use it all the time, and in fact I rent a car that I own out on it.  It works 
great!

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
[New logo xl]
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
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[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 9:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - turo.com

I've used Turo with great success a number of times. To me it is much more 
convenient, as where I have used them they show up at the airport curbside, you 
take some pics, get the keys and off you go. I always buy the supplemental 
insurance just to be safe but it is pretty cheap. I've had great cars, a Porche 
Cayenne, BMW X5, and a Ram 1500, all with no problems whatsoever, and at 
cheaper prices than a mid-sized rental car. Beats standing in line at the 
rental counter or having to ride some bus to a rental car lot and then standing 
in line. Same goes for drop off. MEet them at the airport drop off lane, take a 
few more pics and you are on your way.


On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 10:11 AM TJ Trout 
mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
Bad

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 8:07 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
I  know  some  of  you  guys do a bunch of traveling.  Has anyone used
turo.com?   Good/Bad?   I have a trip coming up late spring 
and so far
the car rental places are out of control price wise.  Was looking into
alternatives.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - turo.com

[chuck]

I don’t care about the time diffence only in model years.

From: Layne Sisk 
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 4:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - turo.com

Cheaper, more convenient, and you get a much better selection of cars.  Have 
rented a Tesla, a Porsche, and several Mercedes for the same prices that I 
would have paid for a Ford Escape.  Best one was a BMW convertible to drive 
Pacific Coast Highway.

 

Layne Sisk

ServerPlus

801.426.8283, ext 102









   

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 2:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - turo.com

 

How does the price compare with normal rentals?

 

From: Layne Sisk 

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 12:50 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - turo.com

 

I use it all the time, and in fact I rent a car that I own out on it.  It works 
great!  

 

Layne Sisk

ServerPlus

801.426.8283, ext 102









   

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 9:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - turo.com

 

I've used Turo with great success a number of times. To me it is much more 
convenient, as where I have used them they show up at the airport curbside, you 
take some pics, get the keys and off you go. I always buy the supplemental 
insurance just to be safe but it is pretty cheap. I've had great cars, a Porche 
Cayenne, BMW X5, and a Ram 1500, all with no problems whatsoever, and at 
cheaper prices than a mid-sized rental car. Beats standing in line at the 
rental counter or having to ride some bus to a rental car lot and then standing 
in line. Same goes for drop off. MEet them at the airport drop off lane, take a 
few more pics and you are on your way. 

 

 

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 10:11 AM TJ Trout  wrote:

  Bad

   

  On Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 8:07 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies  
wrote:

I  know  some  of  you  guys do a bunch of traveling.  Has anyone used
turo.com?   Good/Bad?   I have a trip coming up late spring and so far
the car rental places are out of control price wise.  Was looking into
alternatives.


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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Mark Radabaugh]

Correct - the CMA bidding portion was rejected based on WISPA advocacy.  

Mark

> On Feb 20, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
> On 2/20/20 11:35 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>> What is "Proposed CMA Bidding"?
> 
> 
> Cellular market area, it would have allowed a bidder to change the license 
> size from county up to CMA (and block all of those pesky single-county 
> bidders), but I don't think that proposal made the final cut.
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[AFMUG] 450m in 3.5Ghz max STA performance

[Peter Kranz via AF]

What is the real world expected station performance in a TCP speedtest
running a 40Mhz channel with a 450m running the CBRS software?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: About Puerto Rico (for Gino)

[Jaime Solorza]

Nada Nuevola misma estoria ...

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 1:50 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> But how do you really feel?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-GYqakwHdg
>
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