Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Matt Hoppes]

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Matt Hoppes]

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Matt Hoppes]

Remember - we aren’t really testing here in the U. S. Right now. 

All you have to look at are pneumonia deaths - which are high this year. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Steve Jones]

Thats a good point. Maybe my terror bioweapon isnt any good. Over 250,000
people travelled by air when this thing was unmonitored. If it were going
to have been effective, it would have been

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 9:58 PM Robert  wrote:

> Very similar to an Commercial airliner with 80 percent recirculation...
>
> On 2/24/20 8:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> A cruise ship is like a 5,000 seat petri dish.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/23/2020 11:05 AM, Robert wrote:
>
> Hmmm, I don't think they used trench/squat toilets on the cruise ship, I'm
> pretty sure they don't use them in S. Korea and a severe case percentage of
> 20% and confirmed death rate _by WHO_ of 2% vs .1 percent for flu is apples
> and oranges.   But you keep telling yourself what makes you feel safe.
> Keep drinking the koolaid while the long storage food supplies are bought
> up.( check on Amazon what's still available vs. sold out ).   Let's see
> what the numbers are in S. Korea NEXT Sunday. and see what modern medicine
> can do.
>
> On 2/23/20 10:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> [TINHATOFF]
>
> It still after several weeks looks way overblown. It's beginning to look
> like the trench/squat toilets common in China (and not most other places)
> is the major disease vector.
>
> Total cases in the US is only 35 individuals, and ZERO deaths.
>
> Contrast this to the latest US-only flu data
> , with 29 million infections
> and 16,000 deaths. I think we are paying attention to the wrong things  (so
> what's new about that?).
>
> [/TINHATOFF]
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Experts are starting to say it’s time to prepare for a pandemic, and that
> containment didn’t fail, containment was hopeless from the start.  More
> communicable than SARS, more deadly than seasonal flu.  Still remains to be
> seen how it plays out in countries with better (and worse) healthcare
> systems than China, but it’s gonna spread worldwide.  Masks, thermometers
> and quarantine don’t seem to be magic bullets.  Buy lots of hand soap, and
> stay off cruise ships.
>
>
>
> https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
>
>
>
>  It seems that America's enemies know that the best way to have
> America's economy crumble is to let the Trump rallies go on fully
> unimpeded. 
>
>
>
> A kill rate of 2% seems small as statistic, but that's still a few
> thousand currently dead, including many medical staff, who are being
> mourned by their friends and families. It's likely that the number of
> people killed by coronavirus will surpass that of the 9/11 attacks shortly.
>
>
>
> Most frightening is that with its virulence, if uncontrolled it could
> infect or have infected millions or much more, then suddenly that 2% dead
> becomes unimaginable.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:55 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> You dont think releasing something as hyped up as kungflu at a major
> public gathering, especially a trump rally wouldnt be a major terror
> success? CNN and MSNBC would be advertising for the terrorists 24/7. By the
> time they were done with it, it could have killed zero people, and everyone
> would still be hid out in their house listening to their propaganda. Our
> economy would crumble
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 9:14 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Not for me. So far it has mostly been meh.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/22/2020 6:48 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> As a terror weapon it would be perfect
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 8:11 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Kill rate is far too low to be considered a bio-weapon. Kill rate needs to
> be over 30%.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

[Robert]

This a/c had radar altimeter...  youtube blancoliro channel for more.

On 2/24/20 11:17 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
You'd never catch me flying in a chopper IFR unelss I had some sort of 
terrain following radar or radar altimeter.  Too many wind towers,  
powerlines,  and those pesky telecom towers ..


I've flown with real chopper pilots and they always always are 
concerned with towers even though they need to stay above 500ft.


Imagine fumbling around in this while you can't see a thing outside.

N5NJ | Sikorsky S-76B | Untitled | Cam | JetPhotos

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*From: *"Bill Prince" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Monday, February 24, 2020 2:04:32 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

The Sikorsky S-76B is a big bird. Not cheap. Maybe 10 to 13 million 
depending on condition.


I suspect this has some parallels to the thing with Bill Graham 20 
years ago or something. I think Graham pressured the pilot to fly even 
though the conditions were not very good (awful at that time). They 
hit power lines in low visibility.


Helicopter pilots can sometimes cut corners.

bp


On 2/24/2020 10:47 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:

Doubt it.  It was poor decision after poor decision. Should never
have flown.  Mist rolling in from the hills could obscure things
below 1 mile easily.  Choppers and mountains don't mix with all
the updrafts and unpredictable wind patterns.  ESPECIALLY
downdrafts.  (I like to fly the Huey in DCS and its a pain to land
with a slight downdraft)

Most choppers don't have much to navigate IFR other than an NDB if
they are lucky they have a VOR which would require IFR and some
preplanning.  Especially in mountains.   I'd assume since he was
rich as hell that they'd have a GPS capable nav air like a GNS 530
(pretty cheap) so it would have some nav aids but not necessarily
terrain loaded.

It was just dumb to press your luck in an aircraft not designed
for IFR "on the fly"

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*From: *"chuck"  
*To: *"af"  
*Sent: *Monday, February 24, 2020 1:03:43 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

OK, so I am bored.  Hit delete.
The pilot of the helicopter is getting trashed because he asked
for SVFR (special VFR) and got denied on a prior flight.  He
proceeded anyway.
On the crash flight he asked for VFR flight following.  They
denied it due to his altitude.  I have had that happen to me
dozens of times.  It does not indicate anything other than radar
can only see so low.
91.155
A helicopter may be operated clear of clouds if operated at a
speed that allows the pilot adequate opportunity to see any air
traffic or obstruction in time to avoid a collision.
91.157
This part allows helicopters to fly SVFR even when flight
visibility is below 1 statute mile when required for other aircraft.
This part also allows helicopters to operate SVFR at night while
other aircraft would have to be IFR certified with an instrument
rated pilot.
This part allows helicopters to take off or land a helicopter even
when the ground visibility is below 1 statute mile.
On the prior flight people are using to claim he was a bad pilot,
he was proceeding low and slow as allowed but he was in a
particular area of controlled airspace that required permission to
do so.  Not that it was reckless or dangerous.
His only other option was trying to file what is called a “pop up”
IFR flight plan.  I have had to do that before when the weather
changed.  It is a pain, takes some radio time to do but it is a
legal way forward.  Or he could have found a place to land
perhaps.  He got busted doing what was probably the safest, but
not legal,  thing to do.
I don’t think this calls his skills into question.
The ship was flying but doing a rapid turning descent for some
time before the crash.
Either he got really bad vertigo or he was attempting to
autorotate due to a mechanical failure.
I don’t think he got vertigo.  When you are in the clouds you use
the autopilot if you have one. He had one.
He was a high time IFR rated pilot.
If you hit clouds you mind switches to using the instruments and
getting yourself out of trouble or staying out of trouble.  .
This was a Sikorsky S-76B  Very large helicopter.  Has an auto
pilot and almost certainly had an auto hover feature due to the
fact that it was used for search and rescue in a prior life.  You
can simply stop th

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

[Robert]

It was a charter flight with a fully IFR capable a/c that was only 
_rated_ for VFR through the charter company..


On 2/24/20 10:47 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
Doubt it.  It was poor decision after poor decision. Should never have 
flown.  Mist rolling in from the hills could obscure things below 1 
mile easily.  Choppers and mountains don't mix with all the updrafts 
and unpredictable wind patterns.  ESPECIALLY downdrafts.  (I like to 
fly the Huey in DCS and its a pain to land with a slight downdraft)


Most choppers don't have much to navigate IFR other than an NDB if 
they are lucky they have a VOR which would require IFR and some 
preplanning.  Especially in mountains.   I'd assume since he was rich 
as hell that they'd have a GPS capable nav air like a GNS 530 (pretty 
cheap) so it would have some nav aids but not necessarily terrain loaded.


It was just dumb to press your luck in an aircraft not designed for 
IFR "on the fly"


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*From: *"chuck" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Monday, February 24, 2020 1:03:43 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

OK, so I am bored.  Hit delete.
The pilot of the helicopter is getting trashed because he asked for 
SVFR (special VFR) and got denied on a prior flight.  He proceeded anyway.
On the crash flight he asked for VFR flight following.  They denied it 
due to his altitude.  I have had that happen to me dozens of times.  
It does not indicate anything other than radar can only see so low.

91.155
A helicopter may be operated clear of clouds if operated at a speed 
that allows the pilot adequate opportunity to see any air traffic or 
obstruction in time to avoid a collision.

91.157
This part allows helicopters to fly SVFR even when flight visibility 
is below 1 statute mile when required for other aircraft.
This part also allows helicopters to operate SVFR at night while other 
aircraft would have to be IFR certified with an instrument rated pilot.
This part allows helicopters to take off or land a helicopter even 
when the ground visibility is below 1 statute mile.
On the prior flight people are using to claim he was a bad pilot, he 
was proceeding low and slow as allowed but he was in a particular area 
of controlled airspace that required permission to do so.  Not that it 
was reckless or dangerous.
His only other option was trying to file what is called a “pop up” IFR 
flight plan.  I have had to do that before when the weather changed.  
It is a pain, takes some radio time to do but it is a legal way 
forward.  Or he could have found a place to land perhaps.  He got 
busted doing what was probably the safest, but not legal,  thing to do.

I don’t think this calls his skills into question.
The ship was flying but doing a rapid turning descent for some time 
before the crash.
Either he got really bad vertigo or he was attempting to autorotate 
due to a mechanical failure.
I don’t think he got vertigo.  When you are in the clouds you use the 
autopilot if you have one.  He had one.

He was a high time IFR rated pilot.
If you hit clouds you mind switches to using the instruments and 
getting yourself out of trouble or staying out of trouble.  .
This was a Sikorsky S-76B  Very large helicopter. Has an auto pilot 
and almost certainly had an auto hover feature due to the fact that it 
was used for search and rescue in a prior life.  You can simply stop 
them and hover if you find yourself uncertain of your position.

Maybe he had a heart attack.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Ken Hohhof]

Birds will be bursting into flames in mid air.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 8:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

50W in a 10Mhz channel, close to 80W (49dBm) in a 30Mhz channel.  

 

Mark

 

 





On Feb 24, 2020, at 8:29 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

 


What is the new cbrs power level? 

 

Sent from my smartphone

 

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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <  
af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
Date: Mon, Feb 24, 2020 3:59 PM


Have you tested with the CBRS power levels Dave?



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On Feb 24, 2020, at 3:42 PM, David Williamson < 
 dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> 
wrote:



3.65Ghz 450 vs. Baicells is not better = we have real-world testing that says 
otherwise.  And in NLOS environment 450 is non-existent, so that isn’t even a 
conversation between the two.  My question is will the 450SM’s work with 
Cambium LTE product?  I would like confirmation on that if you all are able, 
because if they will not then I am going to offload them along with my 450 APs 
I am selling.


Thanks,


David

 

From: AF [  mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:38 PM
To:   af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything except 
NLOS performance.  

Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted to ignore 
all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that tradeoff because 
I've had to make it myself.

 

On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:

450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but one of the 450 
APs are already removed from our network..  I am just trying to determine if 
the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, or if it will 
require a completely different SM.


David

 

From: AF [  mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?

On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson < 
 dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> 
wrote:

Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the existing 
450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just go ahead and 
sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along with our 450 AP's.

Thanks!

David Williamson


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Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
To:   af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.

On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> 3.5 isn’t available yet.
>
> I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
>
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>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis < 
>>  acd...@mail.harvard.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied with 
>> my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience 
>> using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good in 
>> my experience.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

[Robert]

One point about the the autopilot, it requires a minimum forward speed, 
which I believe was about 60 knots.  I believe he went below that at one 
point just before the turn, climb and then decent.   He was only 50-100 
feet below the reported tops when the decent and increase in speed 
started with the turn.   The climb was a reducing speed.   It's possible 
that his instruments started giving him bad data as the speed bled 
off.   Forward velocity was required with his instruments.


On 2/24/20 10:03 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

OK, so I am bored.  Hit delete.
The pilot of the helicopter is getting trashed because he asked for 
SVFR (special VFR) and got denied on a prior flight.  He proceeded anyway.
On the crash flight he asked for VFR flight following. They denied it 
due to his altitude.  I have had that happen to me dozens of times.  
It does not indicate anything other than radar can only see so low.

91.155
A helicopter may be operated clear of clouds if operated at a speed 
that allows the pilot adequate opportunity to see any air traffic or 
obstruction in time to avoid a collision.

91.157
This part allows helicopters to fly SVFR even when flight visibility 
is below 1 statute mile when required for other aircraft.
This part also allows helicopters to operate SVFR at night while other 
aircraft would have to be IFR certified with an instrument rated pilot.
This part allows helicopters to take off or land a helicopter even 
when the ground visibility is below 1 statute mile.
On the prior flight people are using to claim he was a bad pilot, he 
was proceeding low and slow as allowed but he was in a particular area 
of controlled airspace that required permission to do so.  Not that it 
was reckless or dangerous.
His only other option was trying to file what is called a “pop up” IFR 
flight plan.  I have had to do that before when the weather changed.  
It is a pain, takes some radio time to do but it is a legal way 
forward.  Or he could have found a place to land perhaps.  He got 
busted doing what was probably the safest, but not legal,  thing to do.

I don’t think this calls his skills into question.
The ship was flying but doing a rapid turning descent for some time 
before the crash.
Either he got really bad vertigo or he was attempting to autorotate 
due to a mechanical failure.
I don’t think he got vertigo.  When you are in the clouds you use the 
autopilot if you have one.  He had one.

He was a high time IFR rated pilot.
If you hit clouds you mind switches to using the instruments and 
getting yourself out of trouble or staying out of trouble.  .
This was a Sikorsky S-76B  Very large helicopter.  Has an auto pilot 
and almost certainly had an auto hover feature due to the fact that it 
was used for search and rescue in a prior life.  You can simply stop 
them and hover if you find yourself uncertain of your position.

Maybe he had a heart attack.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Ken Hohhof]

Vaccine progress.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/drugmaker-moderna-delivers-first-coronavirus-vaccine-for-human-testing-11582579099

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 9:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

 

Very similar to an Commercial airliner with 80 percent recirculation...

On 2/24/20 8:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

A cruise ship is like a 5,000 seat petri dish.

bp

 

On 2/23/2020 11:05 AM, Robert wrote:

Hmmm, I don't think they used trench/squat toilets on the cruise ship, I'm 
pretty sure they don't use them in S. Korea and a severe case percentage of 20% 
and confirmed death rate _by WHO_ of 2% vs .1 percent for flu is apples and 
oranges.   But you keep telling yourself what makes you feel safe.   Keep 
drinking the koolaid while the long storage food supplies are bought up.( 
check on Amazon what's still available vs. sold out ).   Let's see what the 
numbers are in S. Korea NEXT Sunday. and see what modern medicine can do.   

On 2/23/20 10:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

[TINHATOFF]

It still after several weeks looks way overblown. It's beginning to look like 
the trench/squat toilets common in China (and not most other places) is the 
major disease vector.

Total cases in the US is only 35 individuals, and ZERO deaths.

Contrast this to the latest US-only flu data 
 , with 29 million infections and 
16,000 deaths. I think we are paying attention to the wrong things  (so what's 
new about that?).

[/TINHATOFF]

bp

 

On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Experts are starting to say it’s time to prepare for a pandemic, and that 
containment didn’t fail, containment was hopeless from the start.  More 
communicable than SARS, more deadly than seasonal flu.  Still remains to be 
seen how it plays out in countries with better (and worse) healthcare systems 
than China, but it’s gonna spread worldwide.  Masks, thermometers and 
quarantine don’t seem to be magic bullets.  Buy lots of hand soap, and stay off 
cruise ships.

 

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

 

 It seems that America's enemies know that the best way to have 
America's economy crumble is to let the Trump rallies go on fully unimpeded. 


 

A kill rate of 2% seems small as statistic, but that's still a few thousand 
currently dead, including many medical staff, who are being mourned by their 
friends and families. It's likely that the number of people killed by 
coronavirus will surpass that of the 9/11 attacks shortly.

 

Most frightening is that with its virulence, if uncontrolled it could infect or 
have infected millions or much more, then suddenly that 2% dead becomes 
unimaginable.

 

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:55 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

You dont think releasing something as hyped up as kungflu at a major public 
gathering, especially a trump rally wouldnt be a major terror success? CNN and 
MSNBC would be advertising for the terrorists 24/7. By the time they were done 
with it, it could have killed zero people, and everyone would still be hid out 
in their house listening to their propaganda. Our economy would crumble

 

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 9:14 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Not for me. So far it has mostly been meh.

 

bp

 

On 2/22/2020 6:48 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

As a terror weapon it would be perfect

 

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 8:11 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Kill rate is far too low to be considered a bio-weapon. Kill rate needs to be 
over 30%.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Robert]

Very similar to an Commercial airliner with 80 percent recirculation...

On 2/24/20 8:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


A cruise ship is like a 5,000 seat petri dish.

bp


On 2/23/2020 11:05 AM, Robert wrote:
Hmmm, I don't think they used trench/squat toilets on the cruise 
ship, I'm pretty sure they don't use them in S. Korea and a severe 
case percentage of 20% and confirmed death rate _by WHO_ of 2% vs .1 
percent for flu is apples and oranges. But you keep telling yourself 
what makes you feel safe.   Keep drinking the koolaid while the long 
storage food supplies are bought up.    ( check on Amazon what's 
still available vs. sold out ).   Let's see what the numbers are in 
S. Korea NEXT Sunday. and see what modern medicine can do.


On 2/23/20 10:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


[TINHATOFF]

It still after several weeks looks way overblown. It's beginning to 
look like the trench/squat toilets common in China (and not most 
other places) is the major disease vector.


Total cases in the US is only 35 individuals, and ZERO deaths.

Contrast this to the latest US-only flu data 
, with 29 million 
infections and 16,000 deaths. I think we are paying attention to the 
wrong things  (so what's new about that?).


[/TINHATOFF]

bp


On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Experts are starting to say it’s time to prepare for a pandemic, 
and that containment didn’t fail, containment was hopeless from the 
start.  More communicable than SARS, more deadly than seasonal flu. 
Still remains to be seen how it plays out in countries with better 
(and worse) healthcare systems than China, but it’s gonna spread 
worldwide.  Masks, thermometers and quarantine don’t seem to be 
magic bullets.  Buy lots of hand soap, and stay off cruise ships.


https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

 It seems that America's enemies know that the best way 
to have America's economy crumble is to let the Trump rallies go on 
fully unimpeded. 


A kill rate of 2% seems small as statistic, but that's still a few 
thousand currently dead, including many medical staff, who are 
being mourned by their friends and families. It's likely that the 
number of people killed by coronavirus will surpass that of the 
9/11 attacks shortly.


Most frightening is that with its virulence, if uncontrolled it 
could infect or have infected millions or much more, then suddenly 
that 2% dead becomes unimaginable.


On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:55 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


You dont think releasing something as hyped up as kungflu at a
major public gathering, especially a trump rally wouldnt be a
major terror success? CNN and MSNBC would be advertising for
the terrorists 24/7. By the time they were done with it, it
could have killed zero people, and everyone would still be hid
out in their house listening to their propaganda. Our economy
would crumble

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 9:14 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Not for me. So far it has mostly been meh.

bp



On 2/22/2020 6:48 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

As a terror weapon it would be perfect

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 8:11 PM Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Kill rate is far too low to be considered a
bio-weapon. Kill rate needs to be over 30%.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Mark Radabaugh]

50W in a 10Mhz channel, close to 80W (49dBm) in a 30Mhz channel.  

Mark



> On Feb 24, 2020, at 8:29 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> What is the new cbrs power level? 
> 
> Sent from my smartphone
> 
> - Reply message -
> From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" mailto:jeffl...@att.net>>
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  >
> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
> Date: Mon, Feb 24, 2020 3:59 PM
> 
> Have you tested with the CBRS power levels Dave?
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com 
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 3:42 PM, David Williamson 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 3.65Ghz 450 vs. Baicells is not better = we have real-world testing that 
>> says otherwise.  And in NLOS environment 450 is non-existent, so that isn’t 
>> even a conversation between the two.  My question is will the 450SM’s work 
>> with Cambium LTE product?  I would like confirmation on that if you all are 
>> able, because if they will not then I am going to offload them along with my 
>> 450 APs I am selling.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> David
>>  
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] 
>> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:38 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>>  
>> In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything 
>> except NLOS performance.  
>> 
>> Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted to 
>> ignore all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that tradeoff 
>> because I've had to make it myself.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:
>> 450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but one of the 
>> 450 APs are already removed from our network..  I am just trying to 
>> determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, or 
>> if it will require a completely different SM.
>> 
>> David
>>  
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] 
>> On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>>  
>> Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?
>> 
>> On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson 
>> > > wrote:
>> Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the 
>> existing 450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just 
>> go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along 
>> with our 450 AP's.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> David Williamson
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] 
>> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>> 
>> I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.
>> 
>> On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>> > 3.5 isn’t available yet.
>> >
>> > I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
>> >
>> > Jeff Broadwick
>> > CTIconnect
>> > 312-205-2519 Office
>> > 574-220-7826 Cell
>> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com 
>> >
>> >> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied 
>> >> with my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience 
>> >> using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good 
>> >> in my experience.
>> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Mike Hammett]

and I was clear. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Mike Hammett" 
 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:59:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock) 

And? 

On 2/24/20 11:54 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
> I don't know if it was for this particular strain of corona virus, but 
> when I was sick in January, I was tested for multiple strains of corona 
> virus. 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions  
> 
>  
> Midwest Internet Exchange  
> 
>  
> The Brothers WISP  
>  
> 
> 
>  
>  
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes"  
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
> *Sent: *Sunday, February 23, 2020 3:04:09 PM 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock) 
> 
> THAT WE KNOW OF. 
> 
> Can’t have infections if you aren’t testing for them, now can you? 
> 
> On Feb 23, 2020, at 4:00 PM, Steve Jones  > wrote: 
> 
> Its had over a month in the us, still zero transmissions outside the 
> guy banging his infected wife... theyre both home and virus free now btw 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020, 1:24 PM Matt Hoppes 
>  > wrote: 
> 
> Exactly. Give it a few more weeks. It hasn’t had much time in 
> the U. S. Yet. 
> 
> On Feb 23, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Robert  > wrote: 
> 
> Hmmm, I don't think they used trench/squat toilets on the 
> cruise ship, I'm pretty sure they don't use them in S. Korea 
> and a severe case percentage of 20% and confirmed death rate 
> _by WHO_ of 2% vs .1 percent for flu is apples and 
> oranges. But you keep telling yourself what makes you feel 
> safe. Keep drinking the koolaid while the long storage 
> food supplies are bought up. ( check on Amazon what's 
> still available vs. sold out ). Let's see what the numbers 
> are in S. Korea NEXT Sunday. and see what modern medicine 
> can do. 
> 
> On 2/23/20 10:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote: 
> 
> [TINHATOFF] 
> 
> It still after several weeks looks way overblown. It's 
> beginning to look like the trench/squat toilets common 
> in China (and not most other places) is the major 
> disease vector. 
> 
> Total cases in the US is only 35 individuals, and ZERO 
> deaths. 
> 
> Contrast this to the latest US-only flu data 
> , with 29 
> million infections and 16,000 deaths. I think we are 
> paying attention to the wrong things (so what's new 
> about that?). 
> 
> [/TINHATOFF] 
> 
> bp 
>  
> 
> On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 
> 
> Experts are starting to say it’s time to prepare for 
> a pandemic, and that containment didn’t fail, 
> containment was hopeless from the start. More 
> communicable than SARS, more deadly than seasonal 
> flu. Still remains to be seen how it plays out in 
> countries with better (and worse) healthcare systems 
> than China, but it’s gonna spread worldwide. Masks, 
> thermometers and quarantine don’t seem to be magic 
> bullets. Buy lots of hand soap, and stay off cruise 
> ships. 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> *From:* AF  
>  *On Behalf Of 
> *Colin Stanners 
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM 
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>   
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT 
> stock) 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
>  It seems that America's enemies know 
> that the best way to have America's economy crumble 
> is to let the Trump rallies go on fully unimpeded. 
>  
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> A kill rate of 2% seems small as statistic, but 
> that's still a few thousand currently dead, 
> including many medical staff, who are being mourned 
> by their friends and families. It's likely that the 
> number of people killed by coronavirus will surpass 
> that of the 9/11 attacks shortly. 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> Most frightening is that with its virulence, if 
> uncontrolled it could infect or have infected 
> millions or much more, then suddenly that 2% dead 
> becomes unimaginable. 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:55 PM Steve Jones 
>  > wrote: 
> 
> You dont think releasing something as hyped up 
> as kungf

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

What is the new cbrs power level? 

Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
Date: Mon, Feb 24, 2020 3:59 PM

Have you tested with the CBRS power levels Dave?

Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com


On Feb 24, 2020, at 3:42 PM, David Williamson 
 wrote:


   3.65Ghz 450 vs. Baicells is not better = we have real-world testing that 
says otherwise.  And in NLOS environment 450 is non-existent, so that isn’t 
even a conversation between the two.  My question is will the 450SM’s work with 
Cambium LTE product?  I would like confirmation on that if you all are able, 
because if they will not then I am going to offload them along with my 450 APs 
I am selling.
Thanks,
David From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything except 
NLOS performance.  Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can 
be tempted to ignore all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand 
that tradeoff because I've had to make it myself. On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David 
Williamson wrote:
450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but one of the 450 
APs are already removed from our network..  I am just trying to determine if 
the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, or if it will 
require a completely different SM.
David From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in 
favor of LTE?

On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson 
 wrote:Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a 
completely new SM or will it use the existing 450SM's?  Trying to determine if 
I should keep our 450SM's or just go ahead and sell them to one of our 
secondary market distributors along with our 450 AP's.

Thanks!

David Williamson


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.

On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> 3.5 isn’t available yet.
>
> I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis  wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied with 
>> my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience 
>> using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good in 
>> my experience.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Ken Hohhof]

You should probably talk to someone at Cambium, unless someone here has already 
done that.  There was talk 1-2 years ago about 450m is software defined so 
maybe they could use it as a remote radio head with their cnRanger LTE BaseBand 
Unit (BBU).  It has been pretty quiet since then, but I haven’t been able to 
make it to the shows.

 

Without an update directly from the horse’s mouth like Matt at Cambium, or some 
kind of announcement, I wouldn’t hold my breath.  Back in 2018 it was in the 
realm of “it would be nice”.  That’s pretty tentative.  Plus you’d still have 
to buy the BBU and new CPE, so it doesn’t sound like a huge savings anyway, 
still 2/3 of a forklift upgrade.  I mean, if it turned out that the 3 GHz 
cnRanger RRH was literally a 450m, that would probably be the best case, but 
how likely do you think that is?

 

This is just my personal speculation, if it’s an important part of a decision 
you’re making now, you probably need to get hold of your Cambium regional sales 
manager, or the 450 or cnRanger product manager.  If you’re going to 
WISPAmerica, you can probably do it there.

  

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 6:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

So the 450M is supposed to be LTE upgradable?

 

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 3:45 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Something aboit the medusa top can be used with cnranger potentially with a 
fiber run and a software update

 

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:38 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything except 
NLOS performance.  

Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted to ignore 
all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that tradeoff because 
I've had to make it myself.

 

On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:

450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but one of the 450 
APs are already removed from our network.  I am just trying to determine if the 
SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, or if it will require 
a completely different SM.


David

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?

On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson 
mailto:dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> > 
wrote:

Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the existing 
450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just go ahead and 
sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along with our 450 AP's.

Thanks!

David Williamson


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.

On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> 3.5 isn’t available yet.
>
> I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com  
>
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis >  > wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied with 
>> my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience 
>> using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good in 
>> my experience.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Need custom SMF 144 count fiber cable made

[chuck]

I think Graybar will have them made for you.

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need custom SMF 144 count fiber cable made

I've gotten custom cables like this from Multilink, via Comstar Supply.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 3:45 PM Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

  Can anyone point me to a vendor/person/site that can make me the following 
cable (times two)?



  Just regular 144cnt vault/conduit outdoor rated cable, nothing on one end.

  The other end broken out into twelve pigtails with MTP-12 APC Female 
connectors on each, maybe about 1.5 feet long.



  This would connect to the back of my FS cartridges in my road side cabinet.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Gino A. Villarini]

Yes


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From: AF  on behalf of Jason McKemie 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Monday, February 24, 2020 at 8:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

So the 450M is supposed to be LTE upgradable?

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 3:45 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Something aboit the medusa top can be used with cnranger potentially with a 
fiber run and a software update

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:38 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything except 
NLOS performance.

Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted to ignore 
all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that tradeoff because 
I've had to make it myself.


On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:
450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but one of the 450 
APs are already removed from our network.  I am just trying to determine if the 
SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, or if it will require 
a completely different SM.

David

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?

On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson 
mailto:dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com>> 
wrote:
Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the existing 
450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just go ahead and 
sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along with our 450 AP's.

Thanks!

David Williamson


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.

On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> 3.5 isn’t available yet.
>
> I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis 
>> mailto:acd...@mail.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied with 
>> my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience 
>> using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good in 
>> my experience.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Jason McKemie]

So the 450M is supposed to be LTE upgradable?

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 3:45 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Something aboit the medusa top can be used with cnranger potentially with
> a fiber run and a software update
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:38 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything
>> except NLOS performance.
>>
>> Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted to
>> ignore all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that tradeoff
>> because I've had to make it myself.
>>
>>
>> On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:
>>
>> 450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but one of the
>> 450 APs are already removed from our network.  I am just trying to
>> determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out,
>> or if it will require a completely different SM.
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>>
>>
>>
>> Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?
>>
>> On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson <
>> dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> wrote:
>>
>> Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the
>> existing 450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just
>> go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along
>> with our 450 AP's.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> David Williamson
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>>
>> I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.
>>
>> On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>> > 3.5 isn’t available yet.
>> >
>> > I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
>> >
>> > Jeff Broadwick
>> > CTIconnect
>> > 312-205-2519 Office
>> > 574-220-7826 Cell
>> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>> >
>> >> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly
>> dissatisfied with my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had
>> experience using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem
>> consistently good in my experience.
>> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Need custom SMF 144 count fiber cable made

[Jason McKemie]

I've gotten custom cables like this from Multilink, via Comstar Supply.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 3:45 PM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Can anyone point me to a vendor/person/site that can make me the following
> cable (times two)?
>
>
>
> Just regular 144cnt vault/conduit outdoor rated cable, nothing on one end.
>
> The other end broken out into twelve pigtails with MTP-12 APC Female
> connectors on each, maybe about 1.5 feet long.
>
>
>
> This would connect to the back of my FS cartridges in my road side cabinet.
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Re: [AFMUG] New stuff

[Jaime Solorza]

Turns out the gear belongs to FBI
No wonder there were crackling sounds in phone calls and black helicopters
flying over my house this weekend.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:25 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Yes we saw that... funny thing...the Cambium gear removed on yesterday on
> Sunday...
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 9:45 AM Caleb Knauer 
> wrote:
>
>> No weatherproofing on the N connectors on the unit, but they did
>> everything else.  Odd.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 8:13 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Check these out...Janteq running at 1.830Ghz and Cambium at 7GHz...
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Re: [AFMUG] New stuff

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes we saw that... funny thing...the Cambium gear removed on yesterday on
Sunday...

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 9:45 AM Caleb Knauer  wrote:

> No weatherproofing on the N connectors on the unit, but they did
> everything else.  Odd.
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 8:13 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
> >
> > Check these out...Janteq running at 1.830Ghz and Cambium at 7GHz...
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Adam Moffett]

This is true about Tx power in other LTE bands as well.

Upstream is the weak link.  Nobody cares about upstream.  Rather, some 
customers care about upstream, but not enough to sacrifice downstream 
for it.



On 2/24/2020 5:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Something I haven’t quite understood about LTE and actually even 450m 
under Part 96, is xmt power.  It seems like the basestations/APs use 
the new higher regulatory EIRP, but do any of the customer side radios 
have that kind of power? I’m thinking no, probably due to some 
combination of cost, size and power consumption?  Can you imagine a 
CPE that consumes over 100 watts?


Why isn’t upstream the weak link?

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 3:51 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

Sorry, I thought that was already answered.  Cambium LTE is a 
different SM.


Nobody has ever indicated that a 450 SM would work with LTE, and 
there's no reason to think it ever would.


In any case I wasn't trying to argue with you about it.  I'm glad you 
liked Baicells.


On 2/24/2020 4:41 PM, David Williamson wrote:

3.65Ghz 450 vs. Baicells is not better = we have real-world
testing that says otherwise.  And in NLOS environment 450 is
non-existent, so that isn’t even a conversation between the two. 
My question is will the 450SM’s work with Cambium LTE product?  I
would like confirmation on that if you all are able, because if
they will not then I am going to offload them along with my 450
APs I am selling.


Thanks,


David

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 4:38 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at
everything except NLOS performance.

Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be
tempted to ignore all of the other features of the 450. I do
understand that tradeoff because I've had to make it myself.

On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:

450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but
one of the 450 APs are already removed from our network.  I am
just trying to determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium
LTE once they roll it out, or if it will require a completely
different SM.


David

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?

On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson
mailto:dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com>> wrote:

Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it
use the existing 450SM's? Trying to determine if I should keep
our 450SM's or just go ahead and sell them to one of our
secondary market distributors along with our 450 AP's.

Thanks!

David Williamson


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.

On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> 3.5 isn’t available yet.
>
> I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com 
>
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis
mailto:acd...@mail.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly
dissatisfied with my current manufacturer and was wondering if
anyone had experience using/demoing their product line.
Cambium products seem consistently good in my experience.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Eric Muehleisen]

I think Cambium will tell you that the uplink issue is overcome because of
the uplink MUMIMO beams.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 4:09 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Something I haven’t quite understood about LTE and actually even 450m
> under Part 96, is xmt power.  It seems like the basestations/APs use the
> new higher regulatory EIRP, but do any of the customer side radios have
> that kind of power?  I’m thinking no, probably due to some combination of
> cost, size and power consumption?  Can you imagine a CPE that consumes over
> 100 watts?
>
>
>
> Why isn’t upstream the weak link?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 3:51 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>
>
>
> Sorry, I thought that was already answered.  Cambium LTE is a different SM.
>
> Nobody has ever indicated that a 450 SM would work with LTE, and there's
> no reason to think it ever would.
>
> In any case I wasn't trying to argue with you about it.  I'm glad you
> liked Baicells.
>
>
>
> On 2/24/2020 4:41 PM, David Williamson wrote:
>
> 3.65Ghz 450 vs. Baicells is not better = we have real-world testing that
> says otherwise.  And in NLOS environment 450 is non-existent, so that isn’t
> even a conversation between the two.  My question is will the 450SM’s work
> with Cambium LTE product?  I would like confirmation on that if you all are
> able, because if they will not then I am going to offload them along with
> my 450 APs I am selling.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 4:38 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>
>
>
> In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything
> except NLOS performance.
>
> Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted to
> ignore all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that tradeoff
> because I've had to make it myself.
>
>
>
> On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:
>
> 450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but one of the
> 450 APs are already removed from our network.  I am just trying to
> determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out,
> or if it will require a completely different SM.
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>
>
>
> Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?
>
> On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson <
> dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> wrote:
>
> Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the
> existing 450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just
> go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along
> with our 450 AP's.
>
> Thanks!
>
> David Williamson
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>
> I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.
>
> On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> > 3.5 isn’t available yet.
> >
> > I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
> >
> > Jeff Broadwick
> > CTIconnect
> > 312-205-2519 Office
> > 574-220-7826 Cell
> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
> >
> >> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly
> dissatisfied with my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had
> experience using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem
> consistently good in my experience.
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Ken Hohhof]

Something I haven’t quite understood about LTE and actually even 450m under 
Part 96, is xmt power.  It seems like the basestations/APs use the new higher 
regulatory EIRP, but do any of the customer side radios have that kind of 
power?  I’m thinking no, probably due to some combination of cost, size and 
power consumption?  Can you imagine a CPE that consumes over 100 watts?

 

Why isn’t upstream the weak link?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 3:51 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

Sorry, I thought that was already answered.  Cambium LTE is a different SM.

Nobody has ever indicated that a 450 SM would work with LTE, and there's no 
reason to think it ever would.

In any case I wasn't trying to argue with you about it.  I'm glad you liked 
Baicells.  

 

On 2/24/2020 4:41 PM, David Williamson wrote:

3.65Ghz 450 vs. Baicells is not better = we have real-world testing that says 
otherwise.  And in NLOS environment 450 is non-existent, so that isn’t even a 
conversation between the two.  My question is will the 450SM’s work with 
Cambium LTE product?  I would like confirmation on that if you all are able, 
because if they will not then I am going to offload them along with my 450 APs 
I am selling.


Thanks,


David

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything except 
NLOS performance.  

Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted to ignore 
all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that tradeoff because 
I've had to make it myself.

 

On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:

450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but one of the 450 
APs are already removed from our network.  I am just trying to determine if the 
SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, or if it will require 
a completely different SM.


David

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?

On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson 
mailto:dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> > 
wrote:

Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the existing 
450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just go ahead and 
sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along with our 450 AP's.

Thanks!

David Williamson


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.

On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> 3.5 isn’t available yet.
>
> I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com  
>
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis >  > wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied with 
>> my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience 
>> using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good in 
>> my experience.
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[David Williamson]

Ok, thanks for the confirmation.


David

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:51 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

Sorry, I thought that was already answered.  Cambium LTE is a different SM.

Nobody has ever indicated that a 450 SM would work with LTE, and there's no 
reason to think it ever would.

In any case I wasn't trying to argue with you about it.  I'm glad you liked 
Baicells.  

 

On 2/24/2020 4:41 PM, David Williamson wrote:

3.65Ghz 450 vs. Baicells is not better = we have real-world testing 
that says otherwise.  And in NLOS environment 450 is non-existent, so that 
isn’t even a conversation between the two.  My question is will the 450SM’s 
work with Cambium LTE product?  I would like confirmation on that if you all 
are able, because if they will not then I am going to offload them along with 
my 450 APs I am selling.


Thanks,


David

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything 
except NLOS performance.  

Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted 
to ignore all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that tradeoff 
because I've had to make it myself.

 

On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:

450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but 
one of the 450 APs are already removed from our network.  I am just trying to 
determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, or if 
it will require a completely different SM.


David

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason 
McKemie
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?

On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson 
 wrote:

Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it 
use the existing 450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or 
just go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along 
with our 450 AP's.

Thanks!

David Williamson


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam 
Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.

On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> 3.5 isn’t available yet.
>
> I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis 
 wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly 
dissatisfied with my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had 
experience using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently 
good in my experience.
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[David Williamson]

No.  We have used 450 3.65Ghz gear for years and have always updated firmware, 
etc.  It is a non starter for nLOS and NLOS.


David

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

Did you dump the nLOS testing before 1x?

 

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:42 PM David Williamson 
 wrote:

3.65Ghz 450 vs. Baicells is not better = we have real-world testing 
that says otherwise.  And in NLOS environment 450 is non-existent, so that 
isn’t even a conversation between the two.  My question is will the 450SM’s 
work with Cambium LTE product?  I would like confirmation on that if you all 
are able, because if they will not then I am going to offload them along with 
my 450 APs I am selling.


Thanks,


David

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything 
except NLOS performance.  

Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted 
to ignore all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that tradeoff 
because I've had to make it myself.

 

On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:

450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but 
one of the 450 APs are already removed from our network.  I am just trying to 
determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, or if 
it will require a completely different SM.


David

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason 
McKemie
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?

On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson 
 wrote:

Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it 
use the existing 450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or 
just go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along 
with our 450 AP's.

Thanks!

David Williamson


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam 
Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.

On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> 3.5 isn’t available yet.
>
> I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis 
 wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly 
dissatisfied with my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had 
experience using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently 
good in my experience.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT comics

[Mike Meluskey]

Technically I’m a Boomer too.
Here’s one of my favorites:

https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-02-23


On 24 Feb 2020, at 18:04, Bill Prince wrote:

We were getting a couple of daily papers until about 8-10 months ago. 
We gave up because they couldn't seem to deliver it reliably, and it 
was just filling the recycle bin. Still subscribe, but online.


I don't know who is the oldest dude, but I may be close.





bp




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wrote:



Ever note it is only the old dudes that paste comics here?

I was still reading 2 papers a day printed on paper up to just a 
couple of years ago.








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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[David Williamson]

Agreed, Matthew.


David

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

It's not so much that one is better than the other, as that they have different 
uses. If I expected everything to be LOS I wouldn't even consider using LTE 
over 450, but if I expected most stuff to be NLOS, then I wouldn't even 
consider 450.

 

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 3:42 PM David Williamson 
 wrote:

3.65Ghz 450 vs. Baicells is not better = we have real-world testing 
that says otherwise.  And in NLOS environment 450 is non-existent, so that 
isn’t even a conversation between the two.  My question is will the 450SM’s 
work with Cambium LTE product?  I would like confirmation on that if you all 
are able, because if they will not then I am going to offload them along with 
my 450 APs I am selling.


Thanks,


David

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything 
except NLOS performance.  

Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted 
to ignore all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that tradeoff 
because I've had to make it myself.

 

On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:

450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but 
one of the 450 APs are already removed from our network.  I am just trying to 
determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, or if 
it will require a completely different SM.


David

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason 
McKemie
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?

On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson 
 wrote:

Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it 
use the existing 450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or 
just go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along 
with our 450 AP's.

Thanks!

David Williamson


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam 
Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.

On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> 3.5 isn’t available yet.
>
> I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis 
 wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly 
dissatisfied with my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had 
experience using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently 
good in my experience.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT comics

[Bill Prince]

  
  
We were getting a couple of daily papers until about 8-10 months
  ago. We gave up because they couldn't seem to deliver it reliably,
  and it was just filling the recycle bin. Still subscribe, but
  online.
I don't know who is the oldest dude, but I may be close.


bp



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  wrote:


  
  

  Ever note it is only the old dudes that paste comics
here?
  I was still reading 2 papers a day printed on paper up to
just a couple of years ago.  

  
  
  

  


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[AFMUG] OT comics

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Have you tested with the CBRS power levels Dave?

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Feb 24, 2020, at 3:42 PM, David Williamson 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 3.65Ghz 450 vs. Baicells is not better = we have real-world testing that says 
> otherwise.  And in NLOS environment 450 is non-existent, so that isn’t even a 
> conversation between the two.  My question is will the 450SM’s work with 
> Cambium LTE product?  I would like confirmation on that if you all are able, 
> because if they will not then I am going to offload them along with my 450 
> APs I am selling.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> David
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:38 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>  
> In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything except 
> NLOS performance. 
> 
> Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted to 
> ignore all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that tradeoff 
> because I've had to make it myself.
> 
>  
> 
> On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:
> 450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but one of the 450 
> APs are already removed from our network.  I am just trying to determine if 
> the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, or if it will 
> require a completely different SM.
> 
> David
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>  
> Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?
> 
> On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson 
>  wrote:
> Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the 
> existing 450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just 
> go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along with 
> our 450 AP's.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> David Williamson
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
> 
> I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.
> 
> On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> > 3.5 isn’t available yet.
> >
> > I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
> >
> > Jeff Broadwick
> > CTIconnect
> > 312-205-2519 Office
> > 574-220-7826 Cell
> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
> >
> >> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis  wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied 
> >> with my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience 
> >> using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good 
> >> in my experience.
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Adam Moffett]

Sorry, I thought that was already answered.  Cambium LTE is a different SM.

Nobody has ever indicated that a 450 SM would work with LTE, and there's 
no reason to think it ever would.


In any case I wasn't trying to argue with you about it.  I'm glad you 
liked Baicells.



On 2/24/2020 4:41 PM, David Williamson wrote:


3.65Ghz 450 vs. Baicells is not better = we have real-world testing 
that says otherwise.  And in NLOS environment 450 is non-existent, so 
that isn’t even a conversation between the two.  My question is will 
the 450SM’s work with Cambium LTE product?  I would like confirmation 
on that if you all are able, because if they will not then I am going 
to offload them along with my 450 APs I am selling.



Thanks,


David

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 4:38 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything 
except NLOS performance.


Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted 
to ignore all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that 
tradeoff because I've had to make it myself.


On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:

450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but one
of the 450 APs are already removed from our network. I am just
trying to determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once
they roll it out, or if it will require a completely different SM.


David

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason
McKemie
*Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?

On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson
mailto:dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com>> wrote:

Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use
the existing 450SM's? Trying to determine if I should keep our
450SM's or just go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary
market distributors along with our 450 AP's.

Thanks!

David Williamson


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.

On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> 3.5 isn’t available yet.
>
> I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com 
>
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis
mailto:acd...@mail.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly
dissatisfied with my current manufacturer and was wondering if
anyone had experience using/demoing their product line. Cambium
products seem consistently good in my experience.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Mathew Howard]

It's not so much that one is better than the other, as that they have
different uses. If I expected everything to be LOS I wouldn't even consider
using LTE over 450, but if I expected most stuff to be NLOS, then I
wouldn't even consider 450.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 3:42 PM David Williamson <
dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> wrote:

> 3.65Ghz 450 vs. Baicells is not better = we have real-world testing that
> says otherwise.  And in NLOS environment 450 is non-existent, so that isn’t
> even a conversation between the two.  My question is will the 450SM’s work
> with Cambium LTE product?  I would like confirmation on that if you all are
> able, because if they will not then I am going to offload them along with
> my 450 APs I am selling.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 4:38 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>
>
>
> In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything
> except NLOS performance.
>
> Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted to
> ignore all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that tradeoff
> because I've had to make it myself.
>
>
>
> On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:
>
> 450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but one of the
> 450 APs are already removed from our network.  I am just trying to
> determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out,
> or if it will require a completely different SM.
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>
>
>
> Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?
>
> On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson <
> dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> wrote:
>
> Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the
> existing 450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just
> go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along
> with our 450 AP's.
>
> Thanks!
>
> David Williamson
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>
> I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.
>
> On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> > 3.5 isn’t available yet.
> >
> > I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
> >
> > Jeff Broadwick
> > CTIconnect
> > 312-205-2519 Office
> > 574-220-7826 Cell
> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
> >
> >> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied
> with my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience
> using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good
> in my experience.
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Steve Jones]

Did you dump the nLOS testing before 1x?

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:42 PM David Williamson <
dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> wrote:

> 3.65Ghz 450 vs. Baicells is not better = we have real-world testing that
> says otherwise.  And in NLOS environment 450 is non-existent, so that isn’t
> even a conversation between the two.  My question is will the 450SM’s work
> with Cambium LTE product?  I would like confirmation on that if you all are
> able, because if they will not then I am going to offload them along with
> my 450 APs I am selling.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 4:38 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>
>
>
> In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything
> except NLOS performance.
>
> Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted to
> ignore all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that tradeoff
> because I've had to make it myself.
>
>
>
> On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:
>
> 450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but one of the
> 450 APs are already removed from our network.  I am just trying to
> determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out,
> or if it will require a completely different SM.
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>
>
>
> Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?
>
> On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson <
> dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> wrote:
>
> Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the
> existing 450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just
> go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along
> with our 450 AP's.
>
> Thanks!
>
> David Williamson
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>
> I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.
>
> On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> > 3.5 isn’t available yet.
> >
> > I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
> >
> > Jeff Broadwick
> > CTIconnect
> > 312-205-2519 Office
> > 574-220-7826 Cell
> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
> >
> >> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied
> with my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience
> using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good
> in my experience.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Steve Jones]

Something aboit the medusa top can be used with cnranger potentially with a
fiber run and a software update

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:38 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything
> except NLOS performance.
>
> Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted to
> ignore all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that tradeoff
> because I've had to make it myself.
>
>
> On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:
>
> 450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but one of the
> 450 APs are already removed from our network.  I am just trying to
> determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out,
> or if it will require a completely different SM.
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>
>
>
> Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?
>
> On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson <
> dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> wrote:
>
> Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the
> existing 450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just
> go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along
> with our 450 AP's.
>
> Thanks!
>
> David Williamson
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>
> I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.
>
> On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> > 3.5 isn’t available yet.
> >
> > I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
> >
> > Jeff Broadwick
> > CTIconnect
> > 312-205-2519 Office
> > 574-220-7826 Cell
> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
> >
> >> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied
> with my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience
> using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good
> in my experience.
> >>
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[AFMUG] Need custom SMF 144 count fiber cable made

[Sterling Jacobson]

Can anyone point me to a vendor/person/site that can make me the following 
cable (times two)?

Just regular 144cnt vault/conduit outdoor rated cable, nothing on one end.
The other end broken out into twelve pigtails with MTP-12 APC Female connectors 
on each, maybe about 1.5 feet long.

This would connect to the back of my FS cartridges in my road side cabinet.
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[David Williamson]

3.65Ghz 450 vs. Baicells is not better = we have real-world testing that says 
otherwise.  And in NLOS environment 450 is non-existent, so that isn’t even a 
conversation between the two.  My question is will the 450SM’s work with 
Cambium LTE product?  I would like confirmation on that if you all are able, 
because if they will not then I am going to offload them along with my 450 APs 
I am selling.


Thanks,


David

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything except 
NLOS performance.  

Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted to ignore 
all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that tradeoff because 
I've had to make it myself.

 

On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:

450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but one of 
the 450 APs are already removed from our network.  I am just trying to 
determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, or if 
it will require a completely different SM.


David

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?

On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson 
 wrote:

Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the 
existing 450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just go 
ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along with our 
450 AP's.

Thanks!

David Williamson


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.

On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> 3.5 isn’t available yet.
>
> I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis  
wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly 
dissatisfied with my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had 
experience using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently 
good in my experience.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Adam Moffett]

In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything 
except NLOS performance.


Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted to 
ignore all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that 
tradeoff because I've had to make it myself.



On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote:


450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but one of 
the 450 APs are already removed from our network.  I am just trying to 
determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it 
out, or if it will require a completely different SM.



David

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?

On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson 
> wrote:


Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the 
existing 450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or 
just go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market 
distributors along with our 450 AP's.


Thanks!

David Williamson


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com 
] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett

Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.

On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> 3.5 isn’t available yet.
>
> I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com 
>
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis > wrote:

>>
>> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly 
dissatisfied with my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone 
had experience using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem 
consistently good in my experience.

>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

[Bill Prince]

  
  
It is somewhat an acquired skill. If you practice flying under a
  hood, you can teach yourself to ignore the sensation.


bp



On 2/24/2020 12:56 PM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
I’m clearly not cut out for any of this.  I
  get vertigo just driving over an interstate overpass on a
  foggy day.
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Mark
  Radabaugh
  Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 2:44 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters
  

 
Tight circling while waiting for a
  clearance followed by a rapid acceleration and climb is a
  textbook recipe for vertigo and spatial disorientation.  I’m
  willing to bet the descent was opposite the direction he was
  initially circling.    Vertigo is nasty in IFR, especially
  when it’s been some time since it’s happened to you.

   


  The media is always idiotic when it comes
to flying - I don’t expect much from them.


   


  Mark
  

  


  

  On Feb 24, 2020, at 2:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 

  

  

  This is what I
  fumble around in when I can’t see a thing
  outside:


  


  

   


  
From:
Steven Kenney 
  
  
Sent:
Monday, February 24, 2020 12:17 PM
  
  
To:
af 
  
  
Subject:
Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters
  

  
  
 
  


  

  You'd
  never catch me flying in a chopper IFR
  unelss I had some sort of terrain
  following radar or radar altimeter. 
  Too many wind towers,  powerlines, 
  and those pesky telecom towers .. 


   


  I've
  flown with real chopper pilots and
  they always always are concerned with
  towers even though they need to stay
  above 500ft.  


   


  Imagine
  fumbling around in this while you
  can't see a thing outside.  


   


  


   


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  Network Operations Manager
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  Fro

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[David Williamson]

450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison.  All but one of the 450 
APs are already removed from our network.  I am just trying to determine if the 
SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, or if it will require 
a completely different SM.


David

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

 

Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?

On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson 
 wrote:

Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the existing 
450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just go ahead and 
sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along with our 450 AP's.

Thanks!

David Williamson


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.

On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> 3.5 isn’t available yet.
>
> I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis  wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied with 
>> my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience 
>> using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good in 
>> my experience.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Jason McKemie]

Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE?

On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson <
dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> wrote:

> Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the
> existing 450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just
> go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along
> with our 450 AP's.
>
> Thanks!
>
> David Williamson
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>
> I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.
>
> On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> > 3.5 isn’t available yet.
> >
> > I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
> >
> > Jeff Broadwick
> > CTIconnect
> > 312-205-2519 Office
> > 574-220-7826 Cell
> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
> >
> >> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied
> with my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience
> using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good
> in my experience.
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

[Ken Hohhof]

Choose your experts based on their profile pictures.

https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-02-23


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 2:54 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

They're basically wrong on any topic with any technical nuance at all.

On 2/24/2020 3:43 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> The media is always idiotic when it comes to flying 

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Adam Moffett]

Different SM.

On 2/24/2020 4:03 PM, David Williamson wrote:

Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the existing 
450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just go ahead and 
sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along with our 450 AP's.

Thanks!

David Williamson


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.

On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

3.5 isn’t available yet.

I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com


On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis  wrote:

Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied with my 
current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience using/demoing 
their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good in my experience.


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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[David Williamson]

Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the existing 
450SM's?  Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just go ahead and 
sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along with our 450 AP's.

Thanks!

David Williamson


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.

On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> 3.5 isn’t available yet.
>
> I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis  wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied with 
>> my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience 
>> using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good in 
>> my experience.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

[chuck]

I only got it bad once.  Just trusted the instruments until I got out of the 
clouds. 

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:56 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

I’m clearly not cut out for any of this.  I get vertigo just driving over an 
interstate overpass on a foggy day.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 2:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

 

Tight circling while waiting for a clearance followed by a rapid acceleration 
and climb is a textbook recipe for vertigo and spatial disorientation.  I’m 
willing to bet the descent was opposite the direction he was initially 
circling.Vertigo is nasty in IFR, especially when it’s been some time since 
it’s happened to you.

 

The media is always idiotic when it comes to flying - I don’t expect much from 
them.

 

Mark





  On Feb 24, 2020, at 2:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   

  This is what I fumble around in when I can’t see a thing outside:

  

   

  From: Steven Kenney 

  Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:17 PM

  To: af 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

   

  You'd never catch me flying in a chopper IFR unelss I had some sort of 
terrain following radar or radar altimeter.  Too many wind towers,  powerlines, 
 and those pesky telecom towers .. 

   

  I've flown with real chopper pilots and they always always are concerned with 
towers even though they need to stay above 500ft.  

   

  Imagine fumbling around in this while you can't see a thing outside.  

   



   

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  Network Operations Manager
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  From: "Bill Prince" 
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 2:04:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

   

  The Sikorsky S-76B is a big bird. Not cheap. Maybe 10 to 13 million depending 
on condition.

  I suspect this has some parallels to the thing with Bill Graham 20 years ago 
or something. I think Graham pressured the pilot to fly even though the 
conditions were not very good (awful at that time). They hit power lines in low 
visibility. 

  Helicopter pilots can sometimes cut corners.

bp On 2/24/2020 10:47 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:

Doubt it.  It was poor decision after poor decision.  Should never have 
flown.  Mist rolling in from the hills could obscure things below 1 mile 
easily.  Choppers and mountains don't mix with all the updrafts and 
unpredictable wind patterns.  ESPECIALLY downdrafts.  (I like to fly the Huey 
in DCS and its a pain to land with a slight downdraft) 

 

Most choppers don't have much to navigate IFR other than an NDB if they are 
lucky they have a VOR which would require IFR and some preplanning.  Especially 
in mountains.   I'd assume since he was rich as hell that they'd have a GPS 
capable nav air like a GNS 530 (pretty cheap) so it would have some nav aids 
but not necessarily terrain loaded.  

 

It was just dumb to press your luck in an aircraft not designed for IFR "on 
the fly" 

 

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Network Operations Manager
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From: "chuck" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:03:43 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

 

OK, so I am bored.  Hit delete.

 

The pilot of the helicopter is getting trashed because he asked for SVFR 
(special VFR) and got denied on a prior flight.  He proceeded anyway.

On the crash flight he asked for VFR flight following.  They denied it due 
to his altitude.  I have had that happen to me dozens of times.  It does not 
indicate anything other than radar can only see so low.  

 

91.155  

A helicopter may be operated clear of clouds if operated at a speed that 
allows the pilot adequate opportunity to see any air traffic or obstruction in 
time to avoid a collision. 

 

91.157 

This part allows helicopters to fly SVFR even when flight visibility is 
below 1 statute mile when required for other aircraft.  

This part also allows helicopters to operate SVFR at night while other 
aircraft would have to be IFR certified with an instrument rated pilot. 

This part allows helicopters to take off or land a helicopter even when the 
ground visibility is below 1 statute mile.

 

On the prior flight people are using to claim he was a bad pilot, he was 
proceeding low and slow as allowed but he was in a particular area of 
controlled airspace that required permission to do so.  Not that it was 
reckless or dangerous.

His only other option w

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

[Ken Hohhof]

I’m clearly not cut out for any of this.  I get vertigo just driving over an 
interstate overpass on a foggy day.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 2:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

 

Tight circling while waiting for a clearance followed by a rapid acceleration 
and climb is a textbook recipe for vertigo and spatial disorientation.  I’m 
willing to bet the descent was opposite the direction he was initially 
circling.Vertigo is nasty in IFR, especially when it’s been some time since 
it’s happened to you.

 

The media is always idiotic when it comes to flying - I don’t expect much from 
them.

 

Mark





On Feb 24, 2020, at 2:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

 

This is what I fumble around in when I can’t see a thing outside:



 

From: Steven Kenney 

Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:17 PM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

 

You'd never catch me flying in a chopper IFR unelss I had some sort of terrain 
following radar or radar altimeter.  Too many wind towers,  powerlines,  and 
those pesky telecom towers .. 

 

I've flown with real chopper pilots and they always always are concerned with 
towers even though they need to stay above 500ft.  

 

Imagine fumbling around in this while you can't see a thing outside.  

 

  

 

 

-- 
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

 


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From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com> >
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 2:04:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

 

The Sikorsky S-76B is a big bird. Not cheap. Maybe 10 to 13 million depending 
on condition.

I suspect this has some parallels to the thing with Bill Graham 20 years ago or 
something. I think Graham pressured the pilot to fly even though the conditions 
were not very good (awful at that time). They hit power lines in low 
visibility. 

Helicopter pilots can sometimes cut corners.

bp

 

On 2/24/2020 10:47 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:

Doubt it.  It was poor decision after poor decision.  Should never have flown.  
Mist rolling in from the hills could obscure things below 1 mile easily.  
Choppers and mountains don't mix with all the updrafts and unpredictable wind 
patterns.  ESPECIALLY downdrafts.  (I like to fly the Huey in DCS and its a 
pain to land with a slight downdraft) 

 

Most choppers don't have much to navigate IFR other than an NDB if they are 
lucky they have a VOR which would require IFR and some preplanning.  Especially 
in mountains.   I'd assume since he was rich as hell that they'd have a GPS 
capable nav air like a GNS 530 (pretty cheap) so it would have some nav aids 
but not necessarily terrain loaded.  

 

It was just dumb to press your luck in an aircraft not designed for IFR "on the 
fly" 

 

-- 
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net  
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

 


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From: "chuck" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:03:43 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

 

OK, so I am bored.  Hit delete.

 

The pilot of the helicopter is getting trashed because he asked for SVFR 
(special VFR) and got denied on a prior flight.  He proceeded anyway.

On the crash flight he asked for VFR flight following.  They denied it due to 
his altitude.  I have had that happen to me dozens of times.  It does not 
indicate anything other than radar can only see so low.  

 

91.155  

A helicopter may be operated clear of clouds if operated at a speed that allows 
the pilot adequate opportunity to see any air traffic or obstruction in time to 
avoid a collision. 

 

91.157 

This part allows helicopters to fly SVFR even when flight visibility is below 1 
statute mile when required for other aircraft.  

This part also allows helicopters to operate SVFR at night while other aircraft 
would have to be IFR certified with an instrument rated pilot. 

This part allows helicopters to take off or land a helicopter even when the 
ground visibility is below 1 statute mile.

 

On the prior flight people are using to claim he was a bad pilot, he was 
proceeding low and slow as allowed but he was in a particular area of 
controlled airspace that required permission to do so.  Not that it was 
reckless or dangerous.

His only other option was trying to file what is called a “pop up” IFR flight 
plan.  I have had to do that before when the weather changed.  It is a pain, 
takes some radio time to do but it is a legal way forward.  Or he could have 
found a place to land perhaps.  He got busted doing what was probably the 
safest, but not legal,  thing to

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

[Adam Moffett]

They're basically wrong on any topic with any technical nuance at all.

On 2/24/2020 3:43 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
The media is always idiotic when it comes to flying 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

[Mark Radabaugh]

Tight circling while waiting for a clearance followed by a rapid acceleration 
and climb is a textbook recipe for vertigo and spatial disorientation.  I’m 
willing to bet the descent was opposite the direction he was initially 
circling.Vertigo is nasty in IFR, especially when it’s been some time since 
it’s happened to you.

The media is always idiotic when it comes to flying - I don’t expect much from 
them.

Mark

> On Feb 24, 2020, at 2:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> This is what I fumble around in when I can’t see a thing outside:
> 
>  
> From: Steven Kenney <>
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:17 PM
> To: af <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters
>  
> You'd never catch me flying in a chopper IFR unelss I had some sort of 
> terrain following radar or radar altimeter.  Too many wind towers,  
> powerlines,  and those pesky telecom towers ..
>  
> I've flown with real chopper pilots and they always always are concerned with 
> towers even though they need to stay above 500ft. 
>  
> Imagine fumbling around in this while you can't see a thing outside. 
>  
> 
>  
> -- 
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>  
> From: "Bill Prince" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 2:04:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters
>  
> The Sikorsky S-76B is a big bird. Not cheap. Maybe 10 to 13 million depending 
> on condition.
> I suspect this has some parallels to the thing with Bill Graham 20 years ago 
> or something. I think Graham pressured the pilot to fly even though the 
> conditions were not very good (awful at that time). They hit power lines in 
> low visibility. 
> Helicopter pilots can sometimes cut corners.
> bp
> 
> 
> On 2/24/2020 10:47 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>> Doubt it.  It was poor decision after poor decision.  Should never have 
>> flown.  Mist rolling in from the hills could obscure things below 1 mile 
>> easily.  Choppers and mountains don't mix with all the updrafts and 
>> unpredictable wind patterns.  ESPECIALLY downdrafts.  (I like to fly the 
>> Huey in DCS and its a pain to land with a slight downdraft)
>>  
>> Most choppers don't have much to navigate IFR other than an NDB if they are 
>> lucky they have a VOR which would require IFR and some preplanning.  
>> Especially in mountains.   I'd assume since he was rich as hell that they'd 
>> have a GPS capable nav air like a GNS 530 (pretty cheap) so it would have 
>> some nav aids but not necessarily terrain loaded. 
>>  
>> It was just dumb to press your luck in an aircraft not designed for IFR "on 
>> the fly"
>>  
>> -- 
>> Steven Kenney
>> Network Operations Manager
>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>> http://www.wavedirect.net 
>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>  
>> From: "chuck" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <>
>> To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com <>
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:03:43 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters
>>  
>> OK, so I am bored.  Hit delete.
>>  
>> The pilot of the helicopter is getting trashed because he asked for SVFR 
>> (special VFR) and got denied on a prior flight.  He proceeded anyway.
>> On the crash flight he asked for VFR flight following.  They denied it due 
>> to his altitude.  I have had that happen to me dozens of times.  It does not 
>> indicate anything other than radar can only see so low. 
>>  
>> 91.155 
>> A helicopter may be operated clear of clouds if operated at a speed that 
>> allows the pilot adequate opportunity to see any air traffic or obstruction 
>> in time to avoid a collision.
>>  
>> 91.157
>> This part allows helicopters to fly SVFR even when flight visibility is 
>> below 1 statute mile when required for other aircraft. 
>> This part also allows helicopters to operate SVFR at night while other 
>> aircraft would have to be IFR certified with an instrument rated pilot.
>> This part allows helicopters to take off or land a helicopter even when the 
>> ground visibility is below 1 statute mile.
>>  
>> On the prior flight people are using to claim he was a bad pilot, he was 
>> proceeding low and slow as allowed but he was in a particular area of 
>> controlled airspace that required permission to do so.  Not that it was 
>> reckless or dangerous.
>> His only other option was trying to file what is called a “pop up” IFR 
>> flight plan.  I have had to do that before when the weather changed.  It is 
>> a pain, takes some radio time to do but it is a legal way forward.  Or he 
>> could have found a place to land perhaps.  He got busted doing what was 
>> probably the safest, but not legal,  thing to do. 
>>  
>> I don’t think this calls his skills into question. 
>>  
>> The ship was flying but doing a rapid turning descent for some time before 
>> the crash. 
>> Either he got really bad vertigo or he was attempting to autorotate due to a 
>> mechanical failure. 
>> I don’t think he got vertigo.  When you are in the c

[AFMUG] 11ghz Jirius dishes / radio comparability

[Kurt Fankhauser]

What all radio manufacturers have radios that work on the Jirus dishes?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Matt Hoppes]

And?

On 2/24/20 11:54 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I don't know if it was for this particular strain of corona virus, but 
when I was sick in January, I was tested for multiple strains of corona 
virus.




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*From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Sunday, February 23, 2020 3:04:09 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

THAT WE KNOW OF.

Can’t have infections if you aren’t testing for them, now can you?

On Feb 23, 2020, at 4:00 PM, Steve Jones > wrote:


Its had over a month in the us, still zero transmissions outside the
guy banging his infected wife... theyre both home and virus free now btw

On Sun, Feb 23, 2020, 1:24 PM Matt Hoppes
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

Exactly. Give it a few more weeks. It hasn’t had much time in
the U. S. Yet.

On Feb 23, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

Hmmm, I don't think they used trench/squat toilets on the
cruise ship, I'm pretty sure they don't use them in S. Korea
and a severe case percentage of 20% and confirmed death rate
_by WHO_ of 2% vs .1 percent for flu is apples and
oranges.   But you keep telling yourself what makes you feel
safe.   Keep drinking the koolaid while the long storage
food supplies are bought up.    ( check on Amazon what's
still available vs. sold out ).   Let's see what the numbers
are in S. Korea NEXT Sunday. and see what modern medicine
can do.

On 2/23/20 10:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

[TINHATOFF]

It still after several weeks looks way overblown. It's
beginning to look like the trench/squat toilets common
in China (and not most other places) is the major
disease vector.

Total cases in the US is only 35 individuals, and ZERO
deaths.

Contrast this to the latest US-only flu data
, with 29
million infections and 16,000 deaths. I think we are
paying attention to the wrong things  (so what's new
about that?).

[/TINHATOFF]

bp


On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Experts are starting to say it’s time to prepare for
a pandemic, and that containment didn’t fail,
containment was hopeless from the start.  More
communicable than SARS, more deadly than seasonal
flu.  Still remains to be seen how it plays out in
countries with better (and worse) healthcare systems
than China, but it’s gonna spread worldwide.  Masks,
thermometers and quarantine don’t seem to be magic
bullets.  Buy lots of hand soap, and stay off cruise
ships.

__ __


https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy

__ __

__ __

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of
*Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT
stock)

__ __

 It seems that America's enemies know
that the best way to have America's economy crumble
is to let the Trump rallies go on fully unimpeded.


__ __

A kill rate of 2% seems small as statistic, but
that's still a few thousand currently dead,
including many medical staff, who are being mourned
by their friends and families. It's likely that the
number of people killed by cor

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

[Bill Prince]

  
  
As my primary instructor said when we were doing some drills in
  the sierra foothills. 

"Winds in the mountains are treacherous and unforgiving. If you
  don't like it where you is, go where you ain't."


bp



On 2/24/2020 11:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  But this was a very very large & fancy helicopter.  
   
  I know most helicopter pilots seem to avoid IFR but this
machine was decked out with avionics.  
   
  No matter what, if you get in trouble, fess up and start
to climb.  
  

   
  
From: Steven
Kenney 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 11:47 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters
  

 
  
  

  Doubt it.  It was poor decision after poor decision. 
Should never have flown.  Mist rolling in from the hills
could obscure things below 1 mile easily.  Choppers and
mountains don't mix with all the updrafts and
unpredictable wind patterns.  ESPECIALLY downdrafts.  (I
like to fly the Huey in DCS and its a pain to land with
a slight downdraft) 
   
  Most choppers don't have much to navigate IFR other
than an NDB if they are lucky they have a VOR which
would require IFR and some preplanning.  Especially in
mountains.   I'd assume since he was rich as hell that
they'd have a GPS capable nav air like a GNS 530 (pretty
cheap) so it would have some nav aids but not
necessarily terrain loaded.  
   
  It was just dumb to press your luck in an aircraft
not designed for IFR "on the fly" 
   
  -- 
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)
   
  
  From: "chuck"

To: "af" 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:03:43 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters
  
   
  

  
OK, so I am bored.  Hit delete.
 
The pilot of the helicopter is getting trashed
  because he asked for SVFR (special VFR) and got
  denied on a prior flight.  He proceeded anyway.
On the crash flight he asked for VFR flight
  following.  They denied it due to his altitude.  I
  have had that happen to me dozens of times.  It
  does not indicate anything other than radar can
  only see so low.  
 
91.155  
A helicopter may be operated clear of clouds if
  operated at a speed that allows the pilot adequate
  opportunity to see any air traffic or obstruction
  in time to avoid a collision. 
 
91.157 
This part allows helicopters to fly SVFR even
  when flight visibility is below 1 statute mile
  when required for other aircraft.  
This part also allows helicopters to operate
  SVFR at night while other aircraft would have to
  be IFR certified with an instrument rated pilot. 
This part allows helicopters to take off or
  land a helicopter even when the ground visibility
  is below 1 statute mile.
 
On the prior flight people are using to claim
  he was a bad pilot, he was proceeding low and slow
  as allowed but he was in a particular area of
  controlled airspace that required permission to do
  so.  Not that it was reckless or dangerous.
His only other option was trying to file what
  is called a “pop up” IFR flight plan.  I have had
  to do that before when the weather changed.  It is
  a pain, takes some radio time to do but it is a
  legal way forward.  Or he could have found a place
  to land perhaps.  He got busted doing what was
  probably the safest, but not legal,  thing to do. 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

[chuck]

I would always fly IFR, in doing so you are always above the MDA for any 
sector.  No towers or powerlines there...
With IFR you have someone watching out for you.  And you are almost assured to 
be able to land irrespective of the weather.  

From: Steven Kenney 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:17 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

You'd never catch me flying in a chopper IFR unelss I had some sort of terrain 
following radar or radar altimeter.  Too many wind towers,  powerlines,  and 
those pesky telecom towers .. 

I've flown with real chopper pilots and they always always are concerned with 
towers even though they need to stay above 500ft.  

Imagine fumbling around in this while you can't see a thing outside.  



-- 
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)




From: "Bill Prince" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 2:04:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters


The Sikorsky S-76B is a big bird. Not cheap. Maybe 10 to 13 million depending 
on condition.

I suspect this has some parallels to the thing with Bill Graham 20 years ago or 
something. I think Graham pressured the pilot to fly even though the conditions 
were not very good (awful at that time). They hit power lines in low 
visibility. 


Helicopter pilots can sometimes cut corners.


bp


On 2/24/2020 10:47 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:

  Doubt it.  It was poor decision after poor decision.  Should never have 
flown.  Mist rolling in from the hills could obscure things below 1 mile 
easily.  Choppers and mountains don't mix with all the updrafts and 
unpredictable wind patterns.  ESPECIALLY downdrafts.  (I like to fly the Huey 
in DCS and its a pain to land with a slight downdraft) 

  Most choppers don't have much to navigate IFR other than an NDB if they are 
lucky they have a VOR which would require IFR and some preplanning.  Especially 
in mountains.   I'd assume since he was rich as hell that they'd have a GPS 
capable nav air like a GNS 530 (pretty cheap) so it would have some nav aids 
but not necessarily terrain loaded.  

  It was just dumb to press your luck in an aircraft not designed for IFR "on 
the fly" 

  -- 
  Steven Kenney
  Network Operations Manager
  WaveDirect Telecommunications
  http://www.wavedirect.net
  (519)737-WAVE (9283)


--

  From: "chuck" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:03:43 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters


  OK, so I am bored.  Hit delete.

  The pilot of the helicopter is getting trashed because he asked for SVFR 
(special VFR) and got denied on a prior flight.  He proceeded anyway.
  On the crash flight he asked for VFR flight following.  They denied it due to 
his altitude.  I have had that happen to me dozens of times.  It does not 
indicate anything other than radar can only see so low.  

  91.155  
  A helicopter may be operated clear of clouds if operated at a speed that 
allows the pilot adequate opportunity to see any air traffic or obstruction in 
time to avoid a collision. 

  91.157 
  This part allows helicopters to fly SVFR even when flight visibility is below 
1 statute mile when required for other aircraft.  
  This part also allows helicopters to operate SVFR at night while other 
aircraft would have to be IFR certified with an instrument rated pilot. 
  This part allows helicopters to take off or land a helicopter even when the 
ground visibility is below 1 statute mile.

  On the prior flight people are using to claim he was a bad pilot, he was 
proceeding low and slow as allowed but he was in a particular area of 
controlled airspace that required permission to do so.  Not that it was 
reckless or dangerous.
  His only other option was trying to file what is called a “pop up” IFR flight 
plan.  I have had to do that before when the weather changed.  It is a pain, 
takes some radio time to do but it is a legal way forward.  Or he could have 
found a place to land perhaps.  He got busted doing what was probably the 
safest, but not legal,  thing to do.  

  I don’t think this calls his skills into question.  

  The ship was flying but doing a rapid turning descent for some time before 
the crash.  
  Either he got really bad vertigo or he was attempting to autorotate due to a 
mechanical failure.  
  I don’t think he got vertigo.  When you are in the clouds you use the 
autopilot if you have one.  He had one.  
  He was a high time IFR rated pilot.  
  If you hit clouds you mind switches to using the instruments and getting 
yourself out of trouble or staying out of trouble.  .  

  This was a Sikorsky S-76B  Very large helicopter.  Has an auto pilot and 
almost certainly had an auto hover feature due to the fact that it was used for 
search a

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

[chuck]

But this was a very very large & fancy helicopter.  

I know most helicopter pilots seem to avoid IFR but this machine was decked out 
with avionics.  

No matter what, if you get in trouble, fess up and start to climb.  

From: Steven Kenney 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 11:47 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

Doubt it.  It was poor decision after poor decision.  Should never have flown.  
Mist rolling in from the hills could obscure things below 1 mile easily.  
Choppers and mountains don't mix with all the updrafts and unpredictable wind 
patterns.  ESPECIALLY downdrafts.  (I like to fly the Huey in DCS and its a 
pain to land with a slight downdraft) 

Most choppers don't have much to navigate IFR other than an NDB if they are 
lucky they have a VOR which would require IFR and some preplanning.  Especially 
in mountains.   I'd assume since he was rich as hell that they'd have a GPS 
capable nav air like a GNS 530 (pretty cheap) so it would have some nav aids 
but not necessarily terrain loaded.  

It was just dumb to press your luck in an aircraft not designed for IFR "on the 
fly" 

-- 
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)




From: "chuck" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:03:43 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters


OK, so I am bored.  Hit delete.

The pilot of the helicopter is getting trashed because he asked for SVFR 
(special VFR) and got denied on a prior flight.  He proceeded anyway.
On the crash flight he asked for VFR flight following.  They denied it due to 
his altitude.  I have had that happen to me dozens of times.  It does not 
indicate anything other than radar can only see so low.  

91.155  
A helicopter may be operated clear of clouds if operated at a speed that allows 
the pilot adequate opportunity to see any air traffic or obstruction in time to 
avoid a collision. 

91.157 
This part allows helicopters to fly SVFR even when flight visibility is below 1 
statute mile when required for other aircraft.  
This part also allows helicopters to operate SVFR at night while other aircraft 
would have to be IFR certified with an instrument rated pilot. 
This part allows helicopters to take off or land a helicopter even when the 
ground visibility is below 1 statute mile.

On the prior flight people are using to claim he was a bad pilot, he was 
proceeding low and slow as allowed but he was in a particular area of 
controlled airspace that required permission to do so.  Not that it was 
reckless or dangerous.
His only other option was trying to file what is called a “pop up” IFR flight 
plan.  I have had to do that before when the weather changed.  It is a pain, 
takes some radio time to do but it is a legal way forward.  Or he could have 
found a place to land perhaps.  He got busted doing what was probably the 
safest, but not legal,  thing to do.  

I don’t think this calls his skills into question.  

The ship was flying but doing a rapid turning descent for some time before the 
crash.  
Either he got really bad vertigo or he was attempting to autorotate due to a 
mechanical failure.  
I don’t think he got vertigo.  When you are in the clouds you use the autopilot 
if you have one.  He had one.  
He was a high time IFR rated pilot.  
If you hit clouds you mind switches to using the instruments and getting 
yourself out of trouble or staying out of trouble.  .  

This was a Sikorsky S-76B  Very large helicopter.  Has an auto pilot and almost 
certainly had an auto hover feature due to the fact that it was used for search 
and rescue in a prior life.  You can simply stop them and hover if you find 
yourself uncertain of your position.  

Maybe he had a heart attack.  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

[Steven Kenney]

You'd never catch me flying in a chopper IFR unelss I had some sort of terrain 
following radar or radar altimeter. Too many wind towers, powerlines, and those 
pesky telecom towers .. 

I've flown with real chopper pilots and they always always are concerned with 
towers even though they need to stay above 500ft. 

Imagine fumbling around in this while you can't see a thing outside. 


-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Bill Prince"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 2:04:32 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters 



The Sikorsky S-76B is a big bird. Not cheap. Maybe 10 to 13 million depending 
on condition. 

I suspect this has some parallels to the thing with Bill Graham 20 years ago or 
something. I think Graham pressured the pilot to fly even though the conditions 
were not very good (awful at that time). They hit power lines in low 
visibility. 


Helicopter pilots can sometimes cut corners. 
bp
 
On 2/24/2020 10:47 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: 



Doubt it. It was poor decision after poor decision. Should never have flown. 
Mist rolling in from the hills could obscure things below 1 mile easily. 
Choppers and mountains don't mix with all the updrafts and unpredictable wind 
patterns. ESPECIALLY downdrafts. (I like to fly the Huey in DCS and its a pain 
to land with a slight downdraft) 

Most choppers don't have much to navigate IFR other than an NDB if they are 
lucky they have a VOR which would require IFR and some preplanning. Especially 
in mountains. I'd assume since he was rich as hell that they'd have a GPS 
capable nav air like a GNS 530 (pretty cheap) so it would have some nav aids 
but not necessarily terrain loaded. 

It was just dumb to press your luck in an aircraft not designed for IFR "on the 
fly" 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
[ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | http://www.wavedirect.net ] 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "chuck" [ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com |  ] 
To: "af" [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com |  ] 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:03:43 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters 

OK, so I am bored. Hit delete. 
The pilot of the helicopter is getting trashed because he asked for SVFR 
(special VFR) and got denied on a prior flight. He proceeded anyway. 
On the crash flight he asked for VFR flight following. They denied it due to 
his altitude. I have had that happen to me dozens of times. It does not 
indicate anything other than radar can only see so low. 
91.155 
A helicopter may be operated clear of clouds if operated at a speed that allows 
the pilot adequate opportunity to see any air traffic or obstruction in time to 
avoid a collision. 
91.157 
This part allows helicopters to fly SVFR even when flight visibility is below 1 
statute mile when required for other aircraft. 
This part also allows helicopters to operate SVFR at night while other aircraft 
would have to be IFR certified with an instrument rated pilot. 
This part allows helicopters to take off or land a helicopter even when the 
ground visibility is below 1 statute mile. 
On the prior flight people are using to claim he was a bad pilot, he was 
proceeding low and slow as allowed but he was in a particular area of 
controlled airspace that required permission to do so. Not that it was reckless 
or dangerous. 
His only other option was trying to file what is called a “pop up” IFR flight 
plan. I have had to do that before when the weather changed. It is a pain, 
takes some radio time to do but it is a legal way forward. Or he could have 
found a place to land perhaps. He got busted doing what was probably the 
safest, but not legal, thing to do. 
I don’t think this calls his skills into question. 
The ship was flying but doing a rapid turning descent for some time before the 
crash. 
Either he got really bad vertigo or he was attempting to autorotate due to a 
mechanical failure. 
I don’t think he got vertigo. When you are in the clouds you use the autopilot 
if you have one. He had one. 
He was a high time IFR rated pilot. 
If you hit clouds you mind switches to using the instruments and getting 
yourself out of trouble or staying out of trouble. . 
This was a Sikorsky S-76B Very large helicopter. Has an auto pilot and almost 
certainly had an auto hover feature due to the fact that it was used for search 
and rescue in a prior life. You can simply stop them and hover if you find 
yourself uncertain of your position. 
Maybe he had a heart attack. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

[Bill Prince]

  
  
The Sikorsky S-76B is a big bird. Not cheap. Maybe 10 to 13
  million depending on condition.
I suspect this has some parallels to the thing with Bill Graham
  20 years ago or something. I think Graham pressured the pilot to
  fly even though the conditions were not very good (awful at that
  time). They hit power lines in low visibility. 

Helicopter pilots can sometimes cut corners.

bp



On 2/24/2020 10:47 AM, Steven Kenney
  wrote:


  
  
Doubt it.  It was poor decision after poor decision. 
  Should never have flown.  Mist rolling in from the hills could
  obscure things below 1 mile easily.  Choppers and mountains
  don't mix with all the updrafts and unpredictable wind
  patterns.  ESPECIALLY downdrafts.  (I like to fly the Huey in
  DCS and its a pain to land with a slight downdraft) 


Most choppers don't have much to navigate IFR other than an
  NDB if they are lucky they have a VOR which would require IFR
  and some preplanning.  Especially in mountains.   I'd assume
  since he was rich as hell that they'd have a GPS capable nav
  air like a GNS 530 (pretty cheap) so it would have some nav
  aids but not necessarily terrain loaded.  


It was just dumb to press your luck in an aircraft not
  designed for IFR "on the fly" 


-- 
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  Network Operations Manager
  WaveDirect Telecommunications
  http://www.wavedirect.net
  (519)737-WAVE (9283)



From: "chuck"
  
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:03:43 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters




  

  OK, so I am bored.  Hit delete.
   
  The pilot of the helicopter is getting trashed
because he asked for SVFR (special VFR) and got denied
on a prior flight.  He proceeded anyway.
  On the crash flight he asked for VFR flight
following.  They denied it due to his altitude.  I have
had that happen to me dozens of times.  It does not
indicate anything other than radar can only see so low. 
  
   
  91.155  
  A helicopter may be operated clear of clouds if
operated at a speed that allows the pilot adequate
opportunity to see any air traffic or obstruction in
time to avoid a collision. 
   
  91.157 
  This part allows helicopters to fly SVFR even when
flight visibility is below 1 statute mile when required
for other aircraft.  
  This part also allows helicopters to operate SVFR at
night while other aircraft would have to be IFR
certified with an instrument rated pilot. 
  This part allows helicopters to take off or land a
helicopter even when the ground visibility is below 1
statute mile.
   
  On the prior flight people are using to claim he was
a bad pilot, he was proceeding low and slow as allowed
but he was in a particular area of controlled airspace
that required permission to do so.  Not that it was
reckless or dangerous.
  His only other option was trying to file what is
called a “pop up” IFR flight plan.  I have had to do
that before when the weather changed.  It is a pain,
takes some radio time to do but it is a legal way
forward.  Or he could have found a place to land
perhaps.  He got busted doing what was probably the
safest, but not legal,  thing to do.  
   
  I don’t think this calls his skills into question.  
   
  The ship was flying but doing a rapid turning descent
for some time before the crash.  
  Either he got really bad vertigo or he was attempting
to autorotate due to a mechanical failure.  
  I don’t think he got vertigo.  When you are in the
clouds you use the autopilot if you have one.  He had
one.  
  He was a high time IFR rated pilot.  
  If you hit clouds you mind switches to using the
instruments and getting yourself out of trouble or
staying out of trouble.  .  
   
  This was a Sikorsky S-76B  Very large helicopter. 
Has an auto pilot and almost certainly had an auto hover
feature due t

Re: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

Happened to me too.  But my payment was right.  Their books were wrong.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 11:57 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years

How did you know?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 11:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years

Sounds like Vertical Bridge.

Jim



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 Original message 
From: Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
Date: 2/24/20 11:31 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years

We just had a tower owner send additional invoices for the past 5 years saying 
an audit when we renewed showed they had underbilled us every month.  The 
amounts are around $50 per month.

Obviously I need to look at contracts and escalation provisions and try to 
determine if they really did underbill us.

Even if they did, is this reasonable?  Should I challenge how far back they can 
bill for their mistake?  60 months of additional rent is a significant amount 
of money.  We also renewed the lease on the assurance that terms and prices 
were staying the same.  If it turns out the lease supports their numbers, it 
still seems like there should be a statute of limitations for back billing.  I 
know we would only bill a customer more for our mistake going forward, not 
retroactively.  Certainly not retroactive 5 years.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Adam Moffett]

I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5.

On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

3.5 isn’t available yet.

I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com


On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis  wrote:

Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied with my 
current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience using/demoing 
their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good in my experience.


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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

3.5 isn’t available yet.

I believe that 2.5 can be purchased.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied with 
> my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience 
> using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good in 
> my experience.
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Re: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years

[Steven Kenney]

If its the first time they've done that they'd get away with it. If not - legal 
needs to get involved. 

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Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
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(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:13:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years 

If the lease reads that way, id pay it. a debt is a debt. Could be a trick. Set 
your lease terms higher than you bill. then when you want to get rid of the 
tenant come back with retroactive request and 30 day demand. if they dont pay, 
it accelerates the eviction time since its for non payment 

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:57 AM Ken Hohhof < [ mailto:af...@kwisp.com | 
af...@kwisp.com ] > wrote: 





How did you know? 




From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 11:33 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years 





Sounds like Vertical Bridge. 





Jim 











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 Original message  


From: Ken Hohhof < [ mailto:af...@kwisp.com | af...@kwisp.com ] > 


Date: 2/24/20 11:31 AM (GMT-06:00) 


To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 


Subject: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years 





We just had a tower owner send additional invoices for the past 5 years saying 
an audit when we renewed showed they had underbilled us every month. The 
amounts are around $50 per month. 



Obviously I need to look at contracts and escalation provisions and try to 
determine if they really did underbill us. 



Even if they did, is this reasonable? Should I challenge how far back they can 
bill for their mistake? 60 months of additional rent is a significant amount of 
money. We also renewed the lease on the assurance that terms and prices were 
staying the same. If it turns out the lease supports their numbers, it still 
seems like there should be a statute of limitations for back billing. I know we 
would only bill a customer more for our mistake going forward, not 
retroactively. Certainly not retroactive 5 years. 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

[Steven Kenney]

Doubt it. It was poor decision after poor decision. Should never have flown. 
Mist rolling in from the hills could obscure things below 1 mile easily. 
Choppers and mountains don't mix with all the updrafts and unpredictable wind 
patterns. ESPECIALLY downdrafts. (I like to fly the Huey in DCS and its a pain 
to land with a slight downdraft) 

Most choppers don't have much to navigate IFR other than an NDB if they are 
lucky they have a VOR which would require IFR and some preplanning. Especially 
in mountains. I'd assume since he was rich as hell that they'd have a GPS 
capable nav air like a GNS 530 (pretty cheap) so it would have some nav aids 
but not necessarily terrain loaded. 

It was just dumb to press your luck in an aircraft not designed for IFR "on the 
fly" 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "chuck"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:03:43 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters 

OK, so I am bored. Hit delete. 
The pilot of the helicopter is getting trashed because he asked for SVFR 
(special VFR) and got denied on a prior flight. He proceeded anyway. 
On the crash flight he asked for VFR flight following. They denied it due to 
his altitude. I have had that happen to me dozens of times. It does not 
indicate anything other than radar can only see so low. 
91.155 
A helicopter may be operated clear of clouds if operated at a speed that allows 
the pilot adequate opportunity to see any air traffic or obstruction in time to 
avoid a collision. 
91.157 
This part allows helicopters to fly SVFR even when flight visibility is below 1 
statute mile when required for other aircraft. 
This part also allows helicopters to operate SVFR at night while other aircraft 
would have to be IFR certified with an instrument rated pilot. 
This part allows helicopters to take off or land a helicopter even when the 
ground visibility is below 1 statute mile. 
On the prior flight people are using to claim he was a bad pilot, he was 
proceeding low and slow as allowed but he was in a particular area of 
controlled airspace that required permission to do so. Not that it was reckless 
or dangerous. 
His only other option was trying to file what is called a “pop up” IFR flight 
plan. I have had to do that before when the weather changed. It is a pain, 
takes some radio time to do but it is a legal way forward. Or he could have 
found a place to land perhaps. He got busted doing what was probably the 
safest, but not legal, thing to do. 
I don’t think this calls his skills into question. 
The ship was flying but doing a rapid turning descent for some time before the 
crash. 
Either he got really bad vertigo or he was attempting to autorotate due to a 
mechanical failure. 
I don’t think he got vertigo. When you are in the clouds you use the autopilot 
if you have one. He had one. 
He was a high time IFR rated pilot. 
If you hit clouds you mind switches to using the instruments and getting 
yourself out of trouble or staying out of trouble. . 
This was a Sikorsky S-76B Very large helicopter. Has an auto pilot and almost 
certainly had an auto hover feature due to the fact that it was used for search 
and rescue in a prior life. You can simply stop them and hover if you find 
yourself uncertain of your position. 
Maybe he had a heart attack. 

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[AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Avatar Davis]

Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied 
with my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience 
using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently 
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Re: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years

[Steve Jones]

If the lease reads that way, id pay it. a debt is a debt. Could be a trick.
Set your lease terms higher than you bill. then when you want to get rid of
the tenant come back with retroactive request and 30 day demand. if they
dont pay, it accelerates the eviction time since its for non payment

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:57 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> How did you know?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jim Bouse [Brazos
> WiFi]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 11:33 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years
>
>
>
> Sounds like Vertical Bridge.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8 Active, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
> smartphone
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: Ken Hohhof 
>
> Date: 2/24/20 11:31 AM (GMT-06:00)
>
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years
>
>
>
> We just had a tower owner send additional invoices for the past 5 years
> saying an audit when we renewed showed they had underbilled us every
> month.  The amounts are around $50 per month.
>
>
>
> Obviously I need to look at contracts and escalation provisions and try to
> determine if they really did underbill us.
>
>
>
> Even if they did, is this reasonable?  Should I challenge how far back
> they can bill for their mistake?  60 months of additional rent is a
> significant amount of money.  We also renewed the lease on the assurance
> that terms and prices were staying the same.  If it turns out the lease
> supports their numbers, it still seems like there should be a statute of
> limitations for back billing.  I know we would only bill a customer more
> for our mistake going forward, not retroactively.  Certainly not
> retroactive 5 years.
>
>
>
> Anybody had a similar experience, and what did you do?
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[AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

[chuck]

OK, so I am bored.  Hit delete.

The pilot of the helicopter is getting trashed because he asked for SVFR 
(special VFR) and got denied on a prior flight.  He proceeded anyway.
On the crash flight he asked for VFR flight following.  They denied it due to 
his altitude.  I have had that happen to me dozens of times.  It does not 
indicate anything other than radar can only see so low.  

91.155  
A helicopter may be operated clear of clouds if operated at a speed that allows 
the pilot adequate opportunity to see any air traffic or obstruction in time to 
avoid a collision. 

91.157 
This part allows helicopters to fly SVFR even when flight visibility is below 1 
statute mile when required for other aircraft.  
This part also allows helicopters to operate SVFR at night while other aircraft 
would have to be IFR certified with an instrument rated pilot. 
This part allows helicopters to take off or land a helicopter even when the 
ground visibility is below 1 statute mile.

On the prior flight people are using to claim he was a bad pilot, he was 
proceeding low and slow as allowed but he was in a particular area of 
controlled airspace that required permission to do so.  Not that it was 
reckless or dangerous.
His only other option was trying to file what is called a “pop up” IFR flight 
plan.  I have had to do that before when the weather changed.  It is a pain, 
takes some radio time to do but it is a legal way forward.  Or he could have 
found a place to land perhaps.  He got busted doing what was probably the 
safest, but not legal,  thing to do.  

I don’t think this calls his skills into question.  

The ship was flying but doing a rapid turning descent for some time before the 
crash.  
Either he got really bad vertigo or he was attempting to autorotate due to a 
mechanical failure.  
I don’t think he got vertigo.  When you are in the clouds you use the autopilot 
if you have one.  He had one.  
He was a high time IFR rated pilot.  
If you hit clouds you mind switches to using the instruments and getting 
yourself out of trouble or staying out of trouble.  .  

This was a Sikorsky S-76B  Very large helicopter.  Has an auto pilot and almost 
certainly had an auto hover feature due to the fact that it was used for search 
and rescue in a prior life.  You can simply stop them and hover if you find 
yourself uncertain of your position.  

Maybe he had a heart attack.  
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Re: [AFMUG] Huawei Matepad Pro 5G

[Ken Hohhof]

“Photography by Jon Porter / The Verge”

 

But nothing in the article talked about them testing an eval unit, so it’s 
unclear how the photos were taken.  Or who taps on a touchscreen with their 
middle finger.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 11:37 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Huawei Matepad Pro 5G

 



 

Are the photos in the article their official advertising choices?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 10:08 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Huawei Matepad Pro 5G

 

they should be required to have a "DO NOT LICK" warning sticker on them

 

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:02 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

All Huawei products have a small chip in them with Corona Virus inside.

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 8:34 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: [AFMUG] Huawei Matepad Pro 5G

 

So is Huawei banned in the US for customer equipment, or just network 
infrastructure?  I didn’t spot US availability in the article.

 

I have to admit, this sounds like a pretty cool tablet, if you want Android not 
iOS.  Not sure if open source Android without the Google app store is a good or 
bad thing.  Can you still get apps?  Would it be like a Pixel, no Samsung 
bloatware?  Or Huawei bloatware instead?


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Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

[Mathew Howard]

At that distance, rain fade shouldn't be a problem with 60ghz, so it really
comes down to hardware reliability, and budget, and specific requirements.

If the project isn't cost sensitive, and you want the best you can get,
then just go with 80ghz... there basically is no cheap junk for that band,
so just pick your favorite vendor and buy what they have.
If you do want to go cheap, then there are a few things to consider.
Ignitenet an Ubiquiti (although I don't think their radios are actually
shipping yet), have an extra channel at the top end of the band that can
get a bit better range, which the Mikrotiks can't (legally) use... but
that's not really going to make a lot of difference at that distance
anyway. Ignitenet is the only one with an SFP port, if that matters, and
they also have a radio that's capable of 2.5gbps, instead of only 1gpbs...
they're also the most expensive of the cheap options. Mikrotik uses a beam
forming antenna, so they're about 10x easier to aim then the Ignitenets
(I believe Ubiquiti does as well, but I haven't used their radios yet).

None of the cheap 60ghz radios are true full duplex radios, but I think
they're all capable of delivering a full gig in each direction at the same
time.

If you don't want cheap, but don't want to deal with 80ghz licensing (which
is pretty cheap and simple, but it is another thing that has to be done),
then Siklu 60ghz would probably be a good option. Or you could just stick
with AF24HD, which will certainly do the job, but considering what they
cost, it makes more sense to me to just go with 80ghz at that distance. You
could also go with Mimosa B24 for 24ghz, but they're half duplex radios,
and I don't think that they can handle a full 2gbps aggregate.


On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:09 AM dave  wrote:

> I guess it depends on the 9s you want.
> Cheaper is not always better for consistency.
>
>
>
> On 2/24/20 8:36 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> No way I would consider AF24HD for this.  You can get 80ghz links for less
> that do MUCH more throughput (10Gbps).
>
> Vendors in this space include Bridgewave, Siklu and Aviat.  Aviat probably
> gives you the best bang for your buck.  Cambium has a new mmWave product,
> but I don't know anything about it.
>
> Josh
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 9:31 AM dave  wrote:
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>> Not sure which product mentioned but the PTP550 unlicensed will take all
>> of your 5g spectrum and
>> there is the ptp850E
>>
>>
>> On 2/24/20 8:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> What are the current recommendations for something like this. I see
>> Cambium has something that looks like it will work but their product
>> selector returns no matches .
>>
>> Ubiquiti has the 24HD.
>>
>> Anything else I should be aware of?
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Re: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years

[Ken Hohhof]

How did you know?

 

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Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 11:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years

 

Sounds like Vertical Bridge.

 

Jim

 

 

 

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Date: 2/24/20 11:31 AM (GMT-06:00) 

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > 

Subject: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years 

 

We just had a tower owner send additional invoices for the past 5 years
saying an audit when we renewed showed they had underbilled us every month.
The amounts are around $50 per month.

 

Obviously I need to look at contracts and escalation provisions and try to
determine if they really did underbill us.

 

Even if they did, is this reasonable?  Should I challenge how far back they
can bill for their mistake?  60 months of additional rent is a significant
amount of money.  We also renewed the lease on the assurance that terms and
prices were staying the same.  If it turns out the lease supports their
numbers, it still seems like there should be a statute of limitations for
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[Caleb Knauer]

That aren't fish eye on the ground.  Neat tech.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:40 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Don’t you know that they use fish-eye lenses for the windows on airplanes
> to fool everybody?
>
>
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>
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>
> Unless you were in a really good place, it's difficult to see the
> curvature from 5,000'. However, I'm pretty sure I could see the curvature
> from the top of Haleakala. And I know you can see the curvature from the
> window of a 747 at 35,000'.
>
>
>
> bp
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>
> On 2/24/2020 8:00 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
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> Cant you even see the earth curvature at 5K feet?
>
>
>
> HE could easily  drove to the nearest peak…
>
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> would be cheaper.".
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> > would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The ironic
> > thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher than his rocket.
> >
> >
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> >
> > On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >>
> >>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Oooh... right. Forgot about that.


bp



On 2/24/2020 9:39 AM, James Howard
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Don’t you know
that they use fish-eye lenses for the windows on airplanes
to fool everybody?
 

  
From: AF
  [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of
  Bill Prince
  Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 10:16 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike
  Hughes dies
  

 
Unless you were in a really good place, it's difficult to see
  the curvature from 5,000'. However, I'm pretty sure I could
  see the curvature from the top of Haleakala. And I know you
  can see the curvature from the window of a 747 at 35,000'.
 
bp

 

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  Cant you even see the earth curvature at
5K feet?
   
  HE could easily  drove to the nearest
peak… 
   
  Darwin Lifetime achievement award for
2020
   
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Date: Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike
Hughes dies
  
  
 
  
  Yeah. When I heard he was building a
rocket to go 5,000 feet in the air

to prove the world was flat all I could think was "dude, a
plane ticket 
would be cheaper.".

Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high
enough, you 
> would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was?
The ironic 
> thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher
than his rocket.
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> bp
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> On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[James Howard]

Don’t you know that they use fish-eye lenses for the windows on airplanes to 
fool everybody?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 10:16 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies


Unless you were in a really good place, it's difficult to see the curvature 
from 5,000'. However, I'm pretty sure I could see the curvature from the top of 
Haleakala. And I know you can see the curvature from the window of a 747 at 
35,000'.



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Cant you even see the earth curvature at 5K feet?

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Date: Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 12:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

Yeah. When I heard he was building a rocket to go 5,000 feet in the air
to prove the world was flat all I could think was "dude, a plane ticket
would be cheaper.".

Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high enough, you
> would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The ironic
> thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher than his rocket.
>
>
> bp
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> On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286
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Re: [AFMUG] Huawei Matepad Pro 5G

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[https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/uStEdPY6iKv8jXuEYBU8kc1JATI=/0x0:2040x1360/1200x0/filters:focal(0x0:2040x1360):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/19731597/jporter_200218_3911_0034.jpg]

Are the photos in the article their official advertising choices?

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they should be required to have a "DO NOT LICK" warning sticker on them

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wrote:
All Huawei products have a small chip in them with Corona Virus inside.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 8:34 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: [AFMUG] Huawei Matepad Pro 5G

So is Huawei banned in the US for customer equipment, or just network 
infrastructure?  I didn’t spot US availability in the article.

I have to admit, this sounds like a pretty cool tablet, if you want Android not 
iOS.  Not sure if open source Android without the Google app store is a good or 
bad thing.  Can you still get apps?  Would it be like a Pixel, no Samsung 
bloatware?  Or Huawei bloatware instead?

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Re: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

Sounds like Vertical Bridge.

Jim



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 Original message 
From: Ken Hohhof 
Date: 2/24/20 11:31 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years

We just had a tower owner send additional invoices for the past 5 years saying 
an audit when we renewed showed they had underbilled us every month.  The 
amounts are around $50 per month.

Obviously I need to look at contracts and escalation provisions and try to 
determine if they really did underbill us.

Even if they did, is this reasonable?  Should I challenge how far back they can 
bill for their mistake?  60 months of additional rent is a significant amount 
of money.  We also renewed the lease on the assurance that terms and prices 
were staying the same.  If it turns out the lease supports their numbers, it 
still seems like there should be a statute of limitations for back billing.  I 
know we would only bill a customer more for our mistake going forward, not 
retroactively.  Certainly not retroactive 5 years.

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[AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years

[Ken Hohhof]

We just had a tower owner send additional invoices for the past 5 years
saying an audit when we renewed showed they had underbilled us every month.
The amounts are around $50 per month.

 

Obviously I need to look at contracts and escalation provisions and try to
determine if they really did underbill us.

 

Even if they did, is this reasonable?  Should I challenge how far back they
can bill for their mistake?  60 months of additional rent is a significant
amount of money.  We also renewed the lease on the assurance that terms and
prices were staying the same.  If it turns out the lease supports their
numbers, it still seems like there should be a statute of limitations for
back billing.  I know we would only bill a customer more for our mistake
going forward, not retroactively.  Certainly not retroactive 5 years.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[chuck]

Much more aerodynamic.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 10:18 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

Did it look like the Mythbusters water heater rocket?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGWmONHipVo

 

 

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Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 11:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

 

I have not found any photos or videos of the impact site.  I would like to see 
how compressed everything got.  Looked like is smacked/pancaked pretty hard.

 

From: Caleb Knauer 

Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 9:46 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

 

Seems to be the building consensus.  Saw the video of the launch and subsequent 
crater, kind of morbid.  Whackadoodle for sure, hopefully he passed out at 
launch as suspected and didn't see the full ride to the end. 

 

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:40 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

  I think he probably really just got into the whole flat earth thing because 
he figured out that flat-earthers were crazy enough to give him money to build 
rockets...

   

  On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:04 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

If he didn't die in a crash he would have died in a steam explosion.  He 
was destined to kill himself with this.

And yeahhis stated goal seems to be several kinds of baffling.

 

 

On 2/24/2020 11:00 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

  Cant you even see the earth curvature at 5K feet?

   

  HE could easily  drove to the nearest peak… 

   

  Darwin Lifetime achievement award for 2020

   

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  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

   

  Yeah. When I heard he was building a rocket to go 5,000 feet in the air 
  to prove the world was flat all I could think was "dude, a plane ticket 
  would be cheaper.".

  Bill Prince wrote:
  >
  > Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high enough, you 
  > would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The ironic 
  > thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher than his rocket.
  >
  >
  > bp
  > 
  >
  > On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  >>
  >> 
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[Mathew Howard]

If you're the kind of guy that puts yourself in a thing like that, I'm
pretty sure you're the kind of guy wants to be alert until the end...

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:58 AM  wrote:

> He was successful at least one time before.
> Actually, I think I would prefer being totally awake and alert if this
> happened to me.  One final thrill ride.
> Yee-Haw!
>
> *From:* Caleb Knauer
> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 9:46 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies
>
> Seems to be the building consensus.  Saw the video of the launch and
> subsequent crater, kind of morbid.  Whackadoodle for sure, hopefully he
> passed out at launch as suspected and didn't see the full ride to the end.
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:40 AM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> I think he probably really just got into the whole flat earth thing
>> because he figured out that flat-earthers were crazy enough to give him
>> money to build rockets...
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:04 AM Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If he didn't die in a crash he would have died in a steam explosion.  He
>>> was destined to kill himself with this.
>>>
>>> And yeahhis stated goal seems to be several kinds of baffling.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/24/2020 11:00 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>>>
>>> Cant you even see the earth curvature at 5K feet?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HE could easily  drove to the nearest peak…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Darwin Lifetime achievement award for 2020
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino*
>>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>>> @gvillarini
>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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>>> *Date: *Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 12:04 PM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah. When I heard he was building a rocket to go 5,000 feet in the air
>>> to prove the world was flat all I could think was "dude, a plane ticket
>>> would be cheaper.".
>>>
>>> Bill Prince wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high enough, you
>>> > would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The ironic
>>> > thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher than his rocket.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > bp
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> > On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[Ken Hohhof]

Did it look like the Mythbusters water heater rocket?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGWmONHipVo

 

 

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Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 11:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

 

I have not found any photos or videos of the impact site.  I would like to see 
how compressed everything got.  Looked like is smacked/pancaked pretty hard.

 

From: Caleb Knauer 

Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 9:46 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

 

Seems to be the building consensus.  Saw the video of the launch and subsequent 
crater, kind of morbid.  Whackadoodle for sure, hopefully he passed out at 
launch as suspected and didn't see the full ride to the end. 

 

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:40 AM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I think he probably really just got into the whole flat earth thing because he 
figured out that flat-earthers were crazy enough to give him money to build 
rockets...

 

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:04 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If he didn't die in a crash he would have died in a steam explosion.  He was 
destined to kill himself with this.

And yeahhis stated goal seems to be several kinds of baffling.

 

 

On 2/24/2020 11:00 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Cant you even see the earth curvature at 5K feet?

 

HE could easily  drove to the nearest peak… 

 

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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

 

Yeah. When I heard he was building a rocket to go 5,000 feet in the air 
to prove the world was flat all I could think was "dude, a plane ticket 
would be cheaper.".

Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high enough, you 
> would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The ironic 
> thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher than his rocket.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[chuck]

On the previous flight he forgot to arm something, I think it was related to 
the parachute, and had to abort the launch for a bit.

I don't think he was big on checklists.

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 10:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

On 2/24/20 8:46 AM, Caleb Knauer wrote:
Seems to be the building consensus.  Saw the video of the launch and 
subsequent crater, kind of morbid.  Whackadoodle for sure, hopefully he 
passed out at launch as suspected and didn't see the full ride to the end.



I mean it did work once before and this launch worked too, but either
there was an early parachute deployment or poor placement relative to
the exhaust plume nixed the ability to land safely. Or relatively
safely, apparently he was laid up for a while after the previous flight.

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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Mike Hammett]

The plan was fine before the FCC decided to pull the rug out on census-tract 
licenses. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mitch Koep"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:40:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105 


This is what I tried to tell WISPA when they were pushing for spectrum to go to 
auction (EBS included) 

but no one listened. They kept saying you'll get credits that will help 
Some help 
IMHO WISPA is on the wrong path not helping "small" wisp's 

Mitch Koep 



On 2/23/2020 11:53 AM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote: 


Our county opening bid is 44k, so assuming you need two clean 20 MHz channels 
it would be $176k for that, assuming no one else bids it. You would have to put 
down 88k to start to bid on it.  Assuming we get small business and rural 
credits that would be lowered by at least 25% ,so  we will lower it 25%.. Now 
we are at $132k and 66k to start.

Assuming they provide a no interest payment plan it would be $550 a month over 
the next 10  years.  So one way to look is it would be 66k plus 550 a month, 
but you had to have the 66k so just assume you could get a loan for it all over 
10 years.   With a 8% interest it would be around $1,600  a month for the next 
10 years.  Then after that, I would have to pay again, as I would have to renew 
my lease. 

It really comes down to "what can you get it for" and what is it good for.  40 
MHz of licensed interference free spectrum in a count y is not horrible, and at 
1600 a month, I would think I could make that work.  I pay more than that for 
bandwidth so.  

Of course when a single block is running for 200k that’s a whole different 
proposition, that I would not think a WISP could make its investment back on.  
There are quite a few assumptions as well, do you have the cash to put down to 
try to win?  If not, then it’s a non-issue for you.  Or can you get a loan for 
that and see if you can capitalize  on getting your licensed channels.Not 
stating that is good or not, but you have to look at it like that...  



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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 
3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

Which eliminates some very large percentage of the WISP’s in small markets who 
would be most able to help with the last mile. They’d be laughed out a bank, 
assuming their bank knows what spectrum is at all. 

So their option would be to hope no one bids? 

On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

On 2/21/20 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 

look at cook county. crazy. but dont forget there are two bidding credits we 
are eligible for 

Which are applied to a winning bid, you still have to wire the FCC the full 
amount at the beginning to participate.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/24/20 8:46 AM, Caleb Knauer wrote:
Seems to be the building consensus.  Saw the video of the launch and 
subsequent crater, kind of morbid.  Whackadoodle for sure, hopefully he 
passed out at launch as suspected and didn't see the full ride to the end.



I mean it did work once before and this launch worked too, but either 
there was an early parachute deployment or poor placement relative to 
the exhaust plume nixed the ability to land safely. Or relatively 
safely, apparently he was laid up for a while after the previous flight.


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Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

[dave]

I guess it depends on the 9s you want.
Cheaper is not always better for consistency.



On 2/24/20 8:36 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
No way I would consider AF24HD for this.  You can get 80ghz links for 
less that do MUCH more throughput (10Gbps).


Vendors in this space include Bridgewave, Siklu and Aviat. Aviat 
probably gives you the best bang for your buck. Cambium has a new 
mmWave product, but I don't know anything about it.


Josh

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 9:31 AM dave > wrote:


Not sure which product mentioned but the PTP550 unlicensed will
take all of your 5g spectrum and
there is the ptp850E


On 2/24/20 8:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

What are the current recommendations for something like this. I
see Cambium has something that looks like it will work but
their product selector returns no matches .

Ubiquiti has the 24HD.

Anything else I should be aware of?
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Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

[Darin Steffl]

It comes down to carrier grade or best effort requirements and your
tolerance for problems.

Cheap and probably good include ignitenet, Mikrotik, ubnt.

Carrier grade set and forget in 80ghz includes siklu, aviat, bridgewave and
cambium/ceragon.



On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 10:50 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I'd look at Mikrotik or IgniteNet 60 GHz products.
>
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> *Subject: *[AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex
>
> What are the current recommendations for something like this. I see
> Cambium has something that looks like it will work but their product
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[castarritt .]

I am also a supporter of the flat flat earther theory.


On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM  wrote:

> I have not found any photos or videos of the impact site.  I would like to
> see how compressed everything got.  Looked like is smacked/pancaked pretty
> hard.
>
> *From:* Caleb Knauer
> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 9:46 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies
>
> Seems to be the building consensus.  Saw the video of the launch and
> subsequent crater, kind of morbid.  Whackadoodle for sure, hopefully he
> passed out at launch as suspected and didn't see the full ride to the end.
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:40 AM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> I think he probably really just got into the whole flat earth thing
>> because he figured out that flat-earthers were crazy enough to give him
>> money to build rockets...
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:04 AM Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If he didn't die in a crash he would have died in a steam explosion.  He
>>> was destined to kill himself with this.
>>>
>>> And yeahhis stated goal seems to be several kinds of baffling.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/24/2020 11:00 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>>>
>>> Cant you even see the earth curvature at 5K feet?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HE could easily  drove to the nearest peak…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Darwin Lifetime achievement award for 2020
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> m:
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>>> 
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>>> *Date: *Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 12:04 PM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah. When I heard he was building a rocket to go 5,000 feet in the air
>>> to prove the world was flat all I could think was "dude, a plane ticket
>>> would be cheaper.".
>>>
>>> Bill Prince wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high enough, you
>>> > would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The ironic
>>> > thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher than his rocket.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > bp
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> > On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[chuck]

I have not found any photos or videos of the impact site.  I would like to see 
how compressed everything got.  Looked like is smacked/pancaked pretty hard.

From: Caleb Knauer 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 9:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

Seems to be the building consensus.  Saw the video of the launch and subsequent 
crater, kind of morbid.  Whackadoodle for sure, hopefully he passed out at 
launch as suspected and didn't see the full ride to the end. 

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:40 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

  I think he probably really just got into the whole flat earth thing because 
he figured out that flat-earthers were crazy enough to give him money to build 
rockets...

  On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:04 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

If he didn't die in a crash he would have died in a steam explosion.  He 
was destined to kill himself with this.


And yeahhis stated goal seems to be several kinds of baffling.





On 2/24/2020 11:00 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

  Cant you even see the earth curvature at 5K feet?



  HE could easily  drove to the nearest peak… 



  Darwin Lifetime achievement award for 2020



  Gino Villarini 
  Founder/President
  @gvillarini
  t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
  m: 


  
   
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  Date: Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 12:04 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies



  Yeah. When I heard he was building a rocket to go 5,000 feet in the air 
  to prove the world was flat all I could think was "dude, a plane ticket 
  would be cheaper.".

  Bill Prince wrote:
  >
  > Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high enough, you 
  > would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The ironic 
  > thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher than his rocket.
  >
  >
  > bp
  > 
  >
  > On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  >>
  >> 
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286
  >>
  >>
  >
  >

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[chuck]

He was successful at least one time before.  
Actually, I think I would prefer being totally awake and alert if this happened 
to me.  One final thrill ride.  
Yee-Haw!

From: Caleb Knauer 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 9:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

Seems to be the building consensus.  Saw the video of the launch and subsequent 
crater, kind of morbid.  Whackadoodle for sure, hopefully he passed out at 
launch as suspected and didn't see the full ride to the end. 

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:40 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

  I think he probably really just got into the whole flat earth thing because 
he figured out that flat-earthers were crazy enough to give him money to build 
rockets...

  On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:04 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

If he didn't die in a crash he would have died in a steam explosion.  He 
was destined to kill himself with this.


And yeahhis stated goal seems to be several kinds of baffling.





On 2/24/2020 11:00 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

  Cant you even see the earth curvature at 5K feet?



  HE could easily  drove to the nearest peak… 



  Darwin Lifetime achievement award for 2020



  Gino Villarini 
  Founder/President
  @gvillarini
  t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
  m: 


  
   
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  Date: Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 12:04 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies



  Yeah. When I heard he was building a rocket to go 5,000 feet in the air 
  to prove the world was flat all I could think was "dude, a plane ticket 
  would be cheaper.".

  Bill Prince wrote:
  >
  > Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high enough, you 
  > would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The ironic 
  > thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher than his rocket.
  >
  >
  > bp
  > 
  >
  > On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  >>
  >> 
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286
  >>
  >>
  >
  >

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Mike Hammett]

I don't know if it was for this particular strain of corona virus, but when I 
was sick in January, I was tested for multiple strains of corona virus. 




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From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 3:04:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock) 



THAT WE KNOW OF. 


Can’t have infections if you aren’t testing for them, now can you? 

On Feb 23, 2020, at 4:00 PM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 





Its had over a month in the us, still zero transmissions outside the guy 
banging his infected wife... theyre both home and virus free now btw 


On Sun, Feb 23, 2020, 1:24 PM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 





Exactly. Give it a few more weeks. It hasn’t had much time in the U. S. Yet. 

On Feb 23, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Robert < i...@avantwireless.com > wrote: 




Hmmm, I don't think they used trench/squat toilets on the cruise ship, I'm 
pretty sure they don't use them in S. Korea and a severe case percentage of 20% 
and confirmed death rate _by WHO_ of 2% vs .1 percent for flu is apples and 
oranges. But you keep telling yourself what makes you feel safe. Keep drinking 
the koolaid while the long storage food supplies are bought up. ( check on 
Amazon what's still available vs. sold out ). Let's see what the numbers are in 
S. Korea NEXT Sunday. and see what modern medicine can do. 


On 2/23/20 10:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote: 



[TINHATOFF] 
It still after several weeks looks way overblown. It's beginning to look like 
the trench/squat toilets common in China (and not most other places) is the 
major disease vector. 
Total cases in the US is only 35 individuals, and ZERO deaths. 
Contrast this to the latest US-only flu data , with 29 million infections and 
16,000 deaths. I think we are paying attention to the wrong things (so what's 
new about that?). 

[/TINHATOFF] 
bp
 
On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 




Experts are starting to say it’s time to prepare for a pandemic, and that 
containment didn’t fail, containment was hopeless from the start. More 
communicable than SARS, more deadly than seasonal flu. Still remains to be seen 
how it plays out in countries with better (and worse) healthcare systems than 
China, but it’s gonna spread worldwide. Masks, thermometers and quarantine 
don’t seem to be magic bullets. Buy lots of hand soap, and stay off cruise 
ships. 

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy 


From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners 
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock) 


 It seems that America's enemies know that the best way to have 
America's economy crumble is to let the Trump rallies go on fully unimpeded. 
 



A kill rate of 2% seems small as statistic, but that's still a few thousand 
currently dead, including many medical staff, who are being mourned by their 
friends and families. It's likely that the number of people killed by 
coronavirus will surpass that of the 9/11 attacks shortly. 



Most frightening is that with its virulence, if uncontrolled it could infect or 
have infected millions or much more, then suddenly that 2% dead becomes 
unimaginable. 




On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:55 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



You dont think releasing something as hyped up as kungflu at a major public 
gathering, especially a trump rally wouldnt be a major terror success? CNN and 
MSNBC would be advertising for the terrorists 24/7. By the time they were done 
with it, it could have killed zero people, and everyone would still be hid out 
in their house listening to their propaganda. Our economy would crumble 



On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 9:14 PM Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Not for me. So far it has mostly been meh. 
bp  

On 2/22/2020 6:48 PM, Steve Jones wrote: 



As a terror weapon it would be perfect 



On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 8:11 PM Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Kill rate is far too low to be considered a bio-weapon. Kill rate needs to be 
over 30%. 
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Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

[Mike Hammett]

I'd look at Mikrotik or IgniteNet 60 GHz products. 




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Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 8:27:59 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex 


What are the current recommendations for something like this. I see Cambium has 
something that looks like it will work but their product selector returns no 
matches . 


Ubiquiti has the 24HD. 


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Re: [AFMUG] New stuff

[Mike Hammett]

7 GHz is traditionally a TV backhaul band, but the FCC opened it up to general 
use several use ago, with geographic restrictions. 




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From: "Darin Steffl"  
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 8:15:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New stuff 


Never heard of anything in those bands? 


Who can use that spectrum and for what purpose? 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[Caleb Knauer]

Seems to be the building consensus.  Saw the video of the launch and
subsequent crater, kind of morbid.  Whackadoodle for sure, hopefully he
passed out at launch as suspected and didn't see the full ride to the end.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:40 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I think he probably really just got into the whole flat earth thing
> because he figured out that flat-earthers were crazy enough to give him
> money to build rockets...
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:04 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> If he didn't die in a crash he would have died in a steam explosion.  He
>> was destined to kill himself with this.
>>
>> And yeahhis stated goal seems to be several kinds of baffling.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/24/2020 11:00 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>>
>> Cant you even see the earth curvature at 5K feet?
>>
>>
>>
>> HE could easily  drove to the nearest peak…
>>
>>
>>
>> Darwin Lifetime achievement award for 2020
>>
>>
>>
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>> *Villarini *Founder/President
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>> tw-logo]
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>> 
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>>
>> *From: *AF   on behalf
>> of CBB Fuller  
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Date: *Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 12:04 PM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah. When I heard he was building a rocket to go 5,000 feet in the air
>> to prove the world was flat all I could think was "dude, a plane ticket
>> would be cheaper.".
>>
>> Bill Prince wrote:
>> >
>> > Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high enough, you
>> > would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The ironic
>> > thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher than his rocket.
>> >
>> >
>> > bp
>> > 
>> >
>> > On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

[Josh Baird]

Ubiquiti also has cheap 60ghz options.  Haven't used them (yet).

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:34 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I would use 80ghz... probably Siklu.
>
> If you want to do it cheap, 60ghz should be fine at that distance too.
> IgniteNet and Mikrotik 60ghz have both worked well for us, Siklu is
> probably better, but also far more costly.
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 9:22 AM Dennis Burgess via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> .6km use a Wireless Wire Dish Kit, we have them in stock.  60 Ghz will
>> give you 1 gig full duplex without issues, under 400 bucks I belive.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>
>>
>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>>
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>>
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>>
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
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>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 8:28 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex
>>
>>
>>
>> What are the current recommendations for something like this. I see
>> Cambium has something that looks like it will work but their product
>> selector returns no matches .
>>
>>
>>
>> Ubiquiti has the 24HD.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anything else I should be aware of?
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Re: [AFMUG] New stuff

[Caleb Knauer]

No weatherproofing on the N connectors on the unit, but they did
everything else.  Odd.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[Mathew Howard]

I think he probably really just got into the whole flat earth thing because
he figured out that flat-earthers were crazy enough to give him money to
build rockets...

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:04 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> If he didn't die in a crash he would have died in a steam explosion.  He
> was destined to kill himself with this.
>
> And yeahhis stated goal seems to be several kinds of baffling.
>
>
>
> On 2/24/2020 11:00 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>
> Cant you even see the earth curvature at 5K feet?
>
>
>
> HE could easily  drove to the nearest peak…
>
>
>
> Darwin Lifetime achievement award for 2020
>
>
>
> *Gino*
> *Villarini *Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> m:
> [image: aeronet-logo]  [image: inc500]
>  [image: fb-logo]
>   [image: insta-logo]
>   [image: in-logo]
>   [image:
> tw-logo]
> 
>   [image: yt-logo]
> 
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> *From: *AF   on behalf
> of CBB Fuller  
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> 
> *Date: *Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 12:04 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies
>
>
>
> Yeah. When I heard he was building a rocket to go 5,000 feet in the air
> to prove the world was flat all I could think was "dude, a plane ticket
> would be cheaper.".
>
> Bill Prince wrote:
> >
> > Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high enough, you
> > would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The ironic
> > thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher than his rocket.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >>
> >>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

[Mathew Howard]

I would use 80ghz... probably Siklu.

If you want to do it cheap, 60ghz should be fine at that distance too.
IgniteNet and Mikrotik 60ghz have both worked well for us, Siklu is
probably better, but also far more costly.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 9:22 AM Dennis Burgess via AF 
wrote:

> .6km use a Wireless Wire Dish Kit, we have them in stock.  60 Ghz will
> give you 1 gig full duplex without issues, under 400 bucks I belive.
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 8:28 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex
>
>
>
> What are the current recommendations for something like this. I see
> Cambium has something that looks like it will work but their product
> selector returns no matches .
>
>
>
> Ubiquiti has the 24HD.
>
>
>
> Anything else I should be aware of?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Bill Prince]

  
  
A cruise ship is like a 5,000 seat petri dish.

bp



On 2/23/2020 11:05 AM, Robert wrote:


  
  Hmmm, I don't think they used trench/squat toilets on the
cruise ship, I'm pretty sure they don't use them in S. Korea and
a severe case percentage of 20% and confirmed death rate _by
WHO_ of 2% vs .1 percent for flu is apples and oranges.   But
you keep telling yourself what makes you feel safe.   Keep
drinking the koolaid while the long storage food supplies are
bought up.    ( check on Amazon what's still available vs. sold
out ).   Let's see what the numbers are in S. Korea NEXT Sunday.
and see what modern medicine can do.   
  
  On 2/23/20 10:19 AM, Bill Prince
wrote:
  
  

[TINHATOFF]
It still after several weeks looks way overblown. It's
  beginning to look like the trench/squat toilets common in
  China (and not most other places) is the major disease vector.
Total cases in the US is only 35 individuals, and ZERO
  deaths.
Contrast this to the latest
US-only flu data, with 29 million infections and 16,000
  deaths. I think we are paying attention to the wrong things 
  (so what's new about that?).

[/TINHATOFF]

bp



On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
Experts are starting to say it’s time
  to prepare for a pandemic, and that containment didn’t
  fail, containment was hopeless from the start.  More
  communicable than SARS, more deadly than seasonal flu. 
  Still remains to be seen how it plays out in countries
  with better (and worse) healthcare systems than China, but
  it’s gonna spread worldwide.  Masks, thermometers and
  quarantine don’t seem to be magic bullets.  Buy lots of
  hand soap, and stay off cruise ships.
 
https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy
 
 
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
  Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
 

   It seems that
America's enemies know that the best way to have
America's economy crumble is to let the Trump rallies go
on fully unimpeded. 
  
 
  
  
A kill rate of 2% seems small as
  statistic, but that's still a few thousand currently
  dead, including many medical staff, who are being
  mourned by their friends and families. It's likely
  that the number of people killed by coronavirus will
  surpass that of the 9/11 attacks shortly.
  
  
 
  
  
Most frightening is that with its
  virulence, if uncontrolled it could infect or have
  infected millions or much more, then suddenly that 2%
  dead becomes unimaginable.
  
  
 

  
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:55 PM
  Steve Jones 
  wrote:
  
  

  You dont think releasing
something as hyped up as kungflu at a major
public gathering, especially a trump rally
wouldnt be a major terror success? CNN and MSNBC
would be advertising for the terrorists 24/7. By
the time they were done with it, it could have
killed zero people, and everyone would still be
hid out in their house listening to their
propaganda. Our economy would crumble

 

  
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 9:14
  PM Bill Prince 
  wrote:
  
  

  Not for me. So far it has mostly been meh.
   
  bp
  
   
  
On 2/22/2020 6:48 PM,
  Steve Jones wrote:
  
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Unless you were in a really good place, it's difficult to see the
  curvature from 5,000'. However, I'm pretty sure I could see the
  curvature from the top of Haleakala. And I know you can see the
  curvature from the window of a 747 at 35,000'.


bp



On 2/24/2020 8:00 AM, Gino A. Villarini
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
Cant you even see the earth curvature at 5K
  feet?
 
HE could easily  drove to the nearest peak…
  
 
Darwin Lifetime achievement award for 2020
 

Gino Villarini

  Founder/President
  @gvillarini
  t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
  m: 

  

  


 
 
 
 
 


  

  
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PR 00968

  From: AF
   on behalf of CBB Fuller
  
  Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Date: Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 12:04 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike
  Hughes dies


   

Yeah. When I heard he was building a rocket
  to go 5,000 feet in the air
  
  to prove the world was flat all I could think was "dude, a
  plane ticket 
  would be cheaper.".
  
  Bill Prince wrote:
  >
  > Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high
  enough, you 
  > would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was?
  The ironic 
  > thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher
  than his rocket.
  >
  >
  > bp
  > 
  >
  > On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  >>
  >> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286
  >>
  >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Adam Moffett]

There's nothing wrong with being prepared for disasters.  There's 
nothing wrong with a calm and measured response either.  The two aren't 
even mutually exclusive.




On 2/23/2020 2:05 PM, Robert wrote:
Hmmm, I don't think they used trench/squat toilets on the cruise ship, 
I'm pretty sure they don't use them in S. Korea and a severe case 
percentage of 20% and confirmed death rate _by WHO_ of 2% vs .1 
percent for flu is apples and oranges.   But you keep telling yourself 
what makes you feel safe.   Keep drinking the koolaid while the long 
storage food supplies are bought up.    ( check on Amazon what's still 
available vs. sold out ).   Let's see what the numbers are in S. Korea 
NEXT Sunday. and see what modern medicine can do.


On 2/23/20 10:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


[TINHATOFF]

It still after several weeks looks way overblown. It's beginning to 
look like the trench/squat toilets common in China (and not most 
other places) is the major disease vector.


Total cases in the US is only 35 individuals, and ZERO deaths.

Contrast this to the latest US-only flu data 
, with 29 million 
infections and 16,000 deaths. I think we are paying attention to the 
wrong things (so what's new about that?).


[/TINHATOFF]

bp


On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Experts are starting to say it’s time to prepare for a pandemic, and 
that containment didn’t fail, containment was hopeless from the 
start.  More communicable than SARS, more deadly than seasonal flu. 
Still remains to be seen how it plays out in countries with better 
(and worse) healthcare systems than China, but it’s gonna spread 
worldwide.  Masks, thermometers and quarantine don’t seem to be 
magic bullets.  Buy lots of hand soap, and stay off cruise ships.


https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

 It seems that America's enemies know that the best way 
to have America's economy crumble is to let the Trump rallies go on 
fully unimpeded. 


A kill rate of 2% seems small as statistic, but that's still a few 
thousand currently dead, including many medical staff, who are being 
mourned by their friends and families. It's likely that the number 
of people killed by coronavirus will surpass that of the 9/11 
attacks shortly.


Most frightening is that with its virulence, if uncontrolled it 
could infect or have infected millions or much more, then suddenly 
that 2% dead becomes unimaginable.


On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:55 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


You dont think releasing something as hyped up as kungflu at a
major public gathering, especially a trump rally wouldnt be a
major terror success? CNN and MSNBC would be advertising for the
terrorists 24/7. By the time they were done with it, it could
have killed zero people, and everyone would still be hid out in
their house listening to their propaganda. Our economy would crumble

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 9:14 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Not for me. So far it has mostly been meh.

bp



On 2/22/2020 6:48 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

As a terror weapon it would be perfect

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 8:11 PM Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Kill rate is far too low to be considered a
bio-weapon. Kill rate needs to be over 30%.

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Re: [AFMUG] Huawei Matepad Pro 5G

[Steve Jones]

they should be required to have a "DO NOT LICK" warning sticker on them

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:02 AM  wrote:

> All Huawei products have a small chip in them with Corona Virus inside.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 8:34 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Huawei Matepad Pro 5G
>
>
> So is Huawei banned in the US for customer equipment, or just network
> infrastructure?  I didn’t spot US availability in the article.
>
>
>
> I have to admit, this sounds like a pretty cool tablet, if you want
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[Adam Moffett]

If he didn't die in a crash he would have died in a steam explosion.  He 
was destined to kill himself with this.


And yeahhis stated goal seems to be several kinds of baffling.



On 2/24/2020 11:00 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:


Cant you even see the earth curvature at 5K feet?

HE could easily  drove to the nearest peak…

Darwin Lifetime achievement award for 2020

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*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Date: *Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 12:04 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

Yeah. When I heard he was building a rocket to go 5,000 feet in the air
to prove the world was flat all I could think was "dude, a plane ticket
would be cheaper.".

Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high enough, you
> would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The ironic
> thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher than his rocket.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> 
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286

>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[chuck]

There is a rise just to the West of Wendover Nevada.  If you drive up there in 
the evening and look East, the headlights of the cars driving on I-80 clearly 
trace the curvature of the earth.  It is a straight and level stretch of 
freeway that is probably 50 miles long.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 9:00 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

Cant you even see the earth curvature at 5K feet?

 

HE could easily  drove to the nearest peak… 

 

Darwin Lifetime achievement award for 2020

 

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Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

 

Yeah. When I heard he was building a rocket to go 5,000 feet in the air 
to prove the world was flat all I could think was "dude, a plane ticket 
would be cheaper.".

Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high enough, you 
> would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The ironic 
> thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher than his rocket.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286
>>
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>
>

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Re: [AFMUG] Huawei Matepad Pro 5G

[chuck]

All Huawei products have a small chip in them with Corona Virus inside.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 8:34 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Huawei Matepad Pro 5G

So is Huawei banned in the US for customer equipment, or just network 
infrastructure?  I didn’t spot US availability in the article.

 

I have to admit, this sounds like a pretty cool tablet, if you want Android not 
iOS.  Not sure if open source Android without the Google app store is a good or 
bad thing.  Can you still get apps?  Would it be like a Pixel, no Samsung 
bloatware?  Or Huawei bloatware instead?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[Gino A. Villarini]

Cant you even see the earth curvature at 5K feet?

HE could easily  drove to the nearest peak…

Darwin Lifetime achievement award for 2020


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Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

Yeah. When I heard he was building a rocket to go 5,000 feet in the air
to prove the world was flat all I could think was "dude, a plane ticket
would be cheaper.".

Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high enough, you
> would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The ironic
> thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher than his rocket.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286
>>
>>
>
>

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[AFMUG] FW: Huawei Matepad Pro 5G

[Ken Hohhof]

Sorry, link would be nice:

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/24/21145754/huawei-matepad-pro-5g-tablet-wir
eless-charging-specs-news-features

 

 

From: Ken Hohhof  
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 9:35 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Huawei Matepad Pro 5G

 

So is Huawei banned in the US for customer equipment, or just network
infrastructure?  I didn't spot US availability in the article.

 

I have to admit, this sounds like a pretty cool tablet, if you want Android
not iOS.  Not sure if open source Android without the Google app store is a
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Samsung bloatware?  Or Huawei bloatware instead?

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[AFMUG] Huawei Matepad Pro 5G

[Ken Hohhof]

So is Huawei banned in the US for customer equipment, or just network
infrastructure?  I didn't spot US availability in the article.

 

I have to admit, this sounds like a pretty cool tablet, if you want Android
not iOS.  Not sure if open source Android without the Google app store is a
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Samsung bloatware?  Or Huawei bloatware instead?

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