Re: [AFMUG] OT: Picadillo late lunch

[Ken Hohhof]

That actually looks delicious, and I’m not fond of cabbage.  Maybe I should try 
frying it.  And … bacon.

 

I’m OK with red cabbage.

https://auntnellies.com/sweet-sour-red-cabbage/

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Picadillo late lunch

 

Comfort food

Simple bacon fried cabbage and pearl onions

 

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 6:53 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

My wife made picadillo...ground beef, potatoes and her spices.  I can taste 
jalapeno for sure...with cheese and flour tortillas...

Good thing I hitting the  heavy bag at night .. enjoy

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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[Ken Hohhof]

Seems like we’re overthinking it.  What exactly is the problem with the current 
system?

 

Is it the wasted paper?  I think someone suggested recycling the old slips.  
Maybe they just need a bin for the drivers to throw the old slips in.

 

Look how hard it is to get doctors and lawyers to stop using FAX.  And if you 
suggest eFAX, it’s like you farted in church.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

 

They think that is too much effort 

Sent from my iPhone





On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.

bp

 

On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they email 
the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load in all the 
different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using bluetooth or 
something to just display the scale info without too much setup it could work.  
If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if they have a scale ticket 
that is fairly fresh they will not have their weight questioned.  So while not 
a legal requirement to have a scale ticket it is good to have one.

 

But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to make 
it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The UHP said 
they would be fine with something on the phone.  

 

Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing 
software.  





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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[Chuck McCown]

They think that is too much effort 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they 
>> email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load in 
>> all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using 
>> bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too much setup 
>> it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if they have 
>> a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their weight 
>> questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket it is 
>> good to have one.
>>  
>> But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to 
>> make it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The 
>> UHP said they would be fine with something on the phone. 
>>  
>> Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing 
>> software. 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] 450 platform and firmware 16.1.1 and 16.1.1.1 frame utilazation issues.

[Ken Hohhof]

There was something that stopped me from going past 16.0.1.1, I forget what
it was.  Went to 16.2 betas for CBRS and now on 16.2 final.  We just
deployed our first 3 GHz 450b and I think we had to use 16.2 for that, even
without CBRS.

 

Is there a reason not to just go to 16.2?

 

FYI, the 450b seemed fine, no surprises so far.  Getting 8X both ways.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:07 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450 platform and firmware 16.1.1 and 16.1.1.1 frame
utilazation issues.

 

Just figured I would throw this on the list its already on the forums but it
cost me the better part of the day so here ya go. 

There is a bug in the 16.1.1 and 16.1.1.1 firmware that causes the frame
utilization to peg at or close to 100%. 

16.1 works fine.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

[Ken Hohhof]

Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting in line. 
 Oh, and where’s my flying car?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

 

I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the installs too. 
Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, nanotech installs

 

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees near 
the site.  Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.

 

I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall skinny 
trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that grows 5-10 
feet per in height per year.  The trees had grown to be taller than the house, 
and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw.  Everything was fine when the wind 
was from the north, but with a strong wind from the south, the link would 
completely drop.  She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending in the wind, 
until I had a tech climb up on the second story roof and plug a little 
amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of the Cambium SM.  You could 
watch the trees sway back and forth and listen to the tone rise and fall, and 
drop out when the wind blew hard enough.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

 

that would be a discussion to have with them.

LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is 
amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger

 

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

900 is magic not science.  I never felt there was a logical explanation to 
where it worked and where it didn't.  I also believe cnHeat is basically 
looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data 
would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was supported.  
900 was on the road map.

Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com  
>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley >  > wrote:
>>
>> What frequencies does it support?
>>
>> ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:
>>> How do they charge for it?  Can you do work for the next guy over?
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if 
>>> you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, 
>>> I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they help 
>>> identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more 
>>> coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But 
>>> they're hard to keep watered.
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband >>  > wrote:
>>>
>>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site
>>> does not work for us.  We have to have many small sites because of
>>> hills and trees , over 90 currently.   I can see if you had a few
>>> mega sites it could make sense.
>>>
>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com 
>>>  ] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>  >
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>>
>>> much much more than free
>>>
>>> but much much less input and much much much more output
>>>
>>> I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and
>>> applied it to our real world.
>>>
>>> The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site
>>> generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled
>>> and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself
>>> probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we
>>> missed.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM >>  > wrote:
>>>
>>> What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?
>>>
>>> *From:*Steve Jones
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM
>>>
>>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>
>>> *Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat
>>>

[AFMUG] 450 platform and firmware 16.1.1 and 16.1.1.1 frame utilazation issues.

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Just figured I would throw this on the list its already on the forums but it
cost me the better part of the day so here ya go. 

There is a bug in the 16.1.1 and 16.1.1.1 firmware that causes the frame
utilization to peg at or close to 100%. 

16.1 works fine.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

[Steve Jones]

I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the installs
too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, nanotech
installs

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees
> near the site.  Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.
>
>
>
> I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall
> skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that
> grows 5-10 feet per in height per year.  The trees had grown to be taller
> than the house, and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw.  Everything
> was fine when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from the
> south, the link would completely drop.  She wouldn’t believe me the trees
> were bending in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story
> roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of
> the Cambium SM.  You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen
> to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew hard enough.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
>
>
> that would be a discussion to have with them.
>
> LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is
> amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 900 is magic not science.  I never felt there was a logical explanation to
> where it worked and where it didn't.  I also believe cnHeat is basically
> looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR
> data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
> Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was
> supported.  900 was on the road map.
>
> Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> > At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
> >
> > Jeff Broadwick
> > CTIconnect
> > 312-205-2519 Office
> > 574-220-7826 Cell
> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
> >
> >> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> What frequencies does it support?
> >>
> >> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >>> How do they charge for it?  Can you do work for the next guy over?
> >>> *From:* Steve Jones
> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
> >>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never
> know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of
> hills, I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they
> help identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and
> more coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But
> they're hard to keep watered.
> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site
> >>> does not work for us.  We have to have many small sites because of
> >>> hills and trees , over 90 currently.   I can see if you had a few
> >>> mega sites it could make sense.
> >>>
> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve
> Jones
> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
> >>>
> >>> much much more than free
> >>>
> >>> but much much less input and much much much more output
> >>>
> >>> I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and
> >>> applied it to our real world.
> >>>
> >>> The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site
> >>> generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled
> >>> and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself
> >>> probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we
> >>> missed.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?
> >>>
> >>> *From:*Steve Jones
> >>>
> >>> *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM
> >>>
> >>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>>
> >>> *Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat
> >>>
> >>> I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this
> >>> pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal
> >>> game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to
> >>> install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the
> >>> CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we
> >>> actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time
> >>> didnt grab it)
> >>>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[TJ Trout]

sounds like a ticket printer is one of the most simple solutions to this
problem, maybe make them recycle the paper? You can't get a new ticket
until you give back an old one?

Would be curious if anyone knows of a solution that a trucker could receive
this info, I'm guessing everything besides texting it to them will be too
complicated to be effective...

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 4:06 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they
> email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load
> in all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using
> bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too much
> setup it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if
> they have a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their
> weight questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket
> it is good to have one.
>
> But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to
> make it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The
> UHP said they would be fine with something on the phone.
>
> Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing
> software.
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Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

[Jay Weekley]

Good point.

Ken Hohhof wrote:

900 is magic not science.  I never felt there was a logical explanation to 
where it worked and where it didn't.  I also believe cnHeat is basically 
looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data 
would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was supported.  
900 was on the road map.

Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com


On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:

What frequencies does it support?

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

How do they charge for it?  Can you do work for the next guy over?
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if you 
don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I can 
see the price being too high. But the other part where they help identify best 
locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more coverage is 
always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But they're hard to keep 
watered.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

 I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site
 does not work for us.  We have to have many small sites because of
 hills and trees , over 90 currently.   I can see if you had a few
 mega sites it could make sense.

 *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

 much much more than free

 but much much less input and much much much more output

 I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and
 applied it to our real world.

 The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site
 generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled
 and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself
 probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we
 missed.

 On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM  wrote:

 What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?

 *From:*Steve Jones

 *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM

 *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

 *Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat

 I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this
 pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal
 game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to
 install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the
 CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we
 actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time
 didnt grab it)

 there was  a marginal spot we considered, this would have been
 bad long term.

 we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to
 EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half
 of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come
 out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450
 cbrs stuff

 your installer can walk out the door each morning with a
 picture and have a best location target, install survey times
 will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good
 spot, and on the probably best spot.

 I dont come across a product im this excited about too often.
 If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see
 where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the
 other two components are crazy perfect too

 like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and
 its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all
 familiar with that here.

 This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I
 can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and
 how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be

 




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[AFMUG] OT: Picadillo late lunch

[Jaime Solorza]

My wife made picadillo...ground beef, potatoes and her spices.  I can taste
jalapeno for sure...with cheese and flour tortillas...
Good thing I hitting the  heavy bag at night .. enjoy
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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[Bill Prince]

  
  
If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.

bp



On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless. 
I suggested they email the scale ticket to the driver.  They
don’t want to attempt to load in all the different drivers’
cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using bluetooth or
something to just display the scale info without too much
setup it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the
highway patrol, if they have a scale ticket that is fairly
fresh they will not have their weight questioned.  So while
not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket it is good to
have one.
   
  But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers
build up.  Like to make it easy to just zap the info to
something on the drivers’ phone.  The UHP said they would be
fine with something on the phone.  
   
  Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office
scale ticketing software.  

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[can...@believewireless.net]

This should be pretty easy to do. If you can get the data from the scale,
you can advertise this info over bluetooth. They can open
an app on the phone, connect to the scale and download the info info the
app.

More advanced would be to have the info uploaded to the cloud with a
vehicle ID. The app could then pull down that info
at any time via cellular. Nothing required on the drivers part until they
are pulled over.

I've written apps with BLE and coded hardware with BLE as well. Not that
hard.

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 6:26 PM  wrote:

> I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they
> email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load
> in all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using
> bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too much
> setup it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if
> they have a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their
> weight questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket
> it is good to have one.
>
> But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to
> make it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The
> UHP said they would be fine with something on the phone.
>
> Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing
> software.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[chuck]

Hmmm, you need perhaps a bit more than just the gross weight  but a large 
monitor could do the trick.  
Still, something you have to do... sure be nice to have it pushed to the phone.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 4:42 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

Grain elevators have a big display next to the scale, right next to the truck.  
Couldn’t the drivers just take a picture with their phone?

 

Oh, and when your email started with rock and paper, I expected scissors next.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 5:26 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

 

I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they email 
the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load in all the 
different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using bluetooth or 
something to just display the scale info without too much setup it could work.  
If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if they have a scale ticket 
that is fairly fresh they will not have their weight questioned.  So while not 
a legal requirement to have a scale ticket it is good to have one.

 

But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to make 
it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The UHP said 
they would be fine with something on the phone.  

 

Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing 
software.  




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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[Ken Hohhof]

Grain elevators have a big display next to the scale, right next to the truck.  
Couldn’t the drivers just take a picture with their phone?

 

Oh, and when your email started with rock and paper, I expected scissors next.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 5:26 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

 

I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they email 
the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load in all the 
different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using bluetooth or 
something to just display the scale info without too much setup it could work.  
If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if they have a scale ticket 
that is fairly fresh they will not have their weight questioned.  So while not 
a legal requirement to have a scale ticket it is good to have one.

 

But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to make 
it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The UHP said 
they would be fine with something on the phone.  

 

Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing 
software.  

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[AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[chuck]

I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they email 
the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load in all the 
different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using bluetooth or 
something to just display the scale info without too much setup it could work.  
If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if they have a scale ticket 
that is fairly fresh they will not have their weight questioned.  So while not 
a legal requirement to have a scale ticket it is good to have one.

But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to make 
it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The UHP said 
they would be fine with something on the phone.  

Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing 
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Re: [AFMUG] Hosted PBX

[Lewis Bergman]

It is high. Obviously we compete with them but looking at it from Google's
side I think they sell their deep integration as their main selling point.
If you already have G Suite, a Google voice number, run your business off
your cell phone, etc, etc,. I think for some it makes sense even if it is
high. Not sure how many fit those use cases.
At any rate, that is why the pricing sits where it does.

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> Has anyone tried the google offering?
>
> https://cloud.google.com/voice#pricing
>
> We already use google apps but the $20 per user for voice seems high to me.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 6:43 PM Matt  wrote:
> >
> > Right now we have a fortinet phone system with good number of
> extensions. Thinking of switching to hosted pbx to make it easier to use
> phone from home, when fiber is cut, etc. What is everyone else using for
> phone system?
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Hosted PBX

[Matt]

Has anyone tried the google offering?

https://cloud.google.com/voice#pricing

We already use google apps but the $20 per user for voice seems high to me.


On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 6:43 PM Matt  wrote:
>
> Right now we have a fortinet phone system with good number of extensions. 
> Thinking of switching to hosted pbx to make it easier to use phone from home, 
> when fiber is cut, etc. What is everyone else using for phone system?
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Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

[Ken Hohhof]

Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees near 
the site.  Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.

 

I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall skinny 
trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that grows 5-10 
feet per in height per year.  The trees had grown to be taller than the house, 
and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw.  Everything was fine when the wind 
was from the north, but with a strong wind from the south, the link would 
completely drop.  She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending in the wind, 
until I had a tech climb up on the second story roof and plug a little 
amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of the Cambium SM.  You could 
watch the trees sway back and forth and listen to the tone rise and fall, and 
drop out when the wind blew hard enough.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

 

that would be a discussion to have with them.

LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is 
amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger

 

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

900 is magic not science.  I never felt there was a logical explanation to 
where it worked and where it didn't.  I also believe cnHeat is basically 
looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data 
would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was supported.  
900 was on the road map.

Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com  
>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley >  > wrote:
>>
>> What frequencies does it support?
>>
>> ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:
>>> How do they charge for it?  Can you do work for the next guy over?
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if 
>>> you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, 
>>> I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they help 
>>> identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more 
>>> coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But 
>>> they're hard to keep watered.
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband >>  > wrote:
>>>
>>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site
>>> does not work for us.  We have to have many small sites because of
>>> hills and trees , over 90 currently.   I can see if you had a few
>>> mega sites it could make sense.
>>>
>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com 
>>>  ] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>  >
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>>
>>> much much more than free
>>>
>>> but much much less input and much much much more output
>>>
>>> I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and
>>> applied it to our real world.
>>>
>>> The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site
>>> generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled
>>> and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself
>>> probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we
>>> missed.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM >>  > wrote:
>>>
>>> What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?
>>>
>>> *From:*Steve Jones
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM
>>>
>>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>
>>> *Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat
>>>
>>> I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this
>>> pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal
>>> game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to
>>> install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the
>>> CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we
>>> actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time
>>> didnt grab it)
>>>
>>> there was  a marginal spot we considered, this would have been
>>> bad 

Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

[Steve Jones]

that would be a discussion to have with them.
LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is
amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> 900 is magic not science.  I never felt there was a logical explanation to
> where it worked and where it didn't.  I also believe cnHeat is basically
> looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR
> data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
> Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was
> supported.  900 was on the road map.
>
> Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> > At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
> >
> > Jeff Broadwick
> > CTIconnect
> > 312-205-2519 Office
> > 574-220-7826 Cell
> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
> >
> >> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> What frequencies does it support?
> >>
> >> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >>> How do they charge for it?  Can you do work for the next guy over?
> >>> *From:* Steve Jones
> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
> >>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never
> know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of
> hills, I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they
> help identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and
> more coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But
> they're hard to keep watered.
> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site
> >>> does not work for us.  We have to have many small sites because of
> >>> hills and trees , over 90 currently.   I can see if you had a few
> >>> mega sites it could make sense.
> >>>
> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve
> Jones
> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
> >>>
> >>> much much more than free
> >>>
> >>> but much much less input and much much much more output
> >>>
> >>> I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and
> >>> applied it to our real world.
> >>>
> >>> The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site
> >>> generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled
> >>> and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself
> >>> probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we
> >>> missed.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?
> >>>
> >>> *From:*Steve Jones
> >>>
> >>> *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM
> >>>
> >>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>>
> >>> *Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat
> >>>
> >>> I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this
> >>> pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal
> >>> game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to
> >>> install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the
> >>> CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we
> >>> actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time
> >>> didnt grab it)
> >>>
> >>> there was  a marginal spot we considered, this would have been
> >>> bad long term.
> >>>
> >>> we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to
> >>> EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half
> >>> of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come
> >>> out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450
> >>> cbrs stuff
> >>>
> >>> your installer can walk out the door each morning with a
> >>> picture and have a best location target, install survey times
> >>> will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good
> >>> spot, and on the probably best spot.
> >>>
> >>> I dont come across a product im this excited about too often.
> >>> If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see
> >>> where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the
> >>> other two components are crazy perfect too
> >>>
> >>> like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and
> >>> its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all
> >>> familiar with that here.
> >>>
> >>> This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I
> >>>   

Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

[Ken Hohhof]

900 is magic not science.  I never felt there was a logical explanation to 
where it worked and where it didn't.  I also believe cnHeat is basically 
looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data 
would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was supported.  
900 was on the road map.

Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:
>>
>> What frequencies does it support?
>>
>> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> How do they charge for it?  Can you do work for the next guy over?
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if 
>>> you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, 
>>> I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they help 
>>> identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more 
>>> coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But 
>>> they're hard to keep watered.
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>>>
>>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site
>>> does not work for us.  We have to have many small sites because of
>>> hills and trees , over 90 currently.   I can see if you had a few
>>> mega sites it could make sense.
>>>
>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>>
>>> much much more than free
>>>
>>> but much much less input and much much much more output
>>>
>>> I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and
>>> applied it to our real world.
>>>
>>> The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site
>>> generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled
>>> and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself
>>> probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we
>>> missed.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>> What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?
>>>
>>> *From:*Steve Jones
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM
>>>
>>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>
>>> *Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat
>>>
>>> I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this
>>> pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal
>>> game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to
>>> install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the
>>> CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we
>>> actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time
>>> didnt grab it)
>>>
>>> there was  a marginal spot we considered, this would have been
>>> bad long term.
>>>
>>> we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to
>>> EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half
>>> of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come
>>> out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450
>>> cbrs stuff
>>>
>>> your installer can walk out the door each morning with a
>>> picture and have a best location target, install survey times
>>> will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good
>>> spot, and on the probably best spot.
>>>
>>> I dont come across a product im this excited about too often.
>>> If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see
>>> where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the
>>> other two components are crazy perfect too
>>>
>>> like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and
>>> its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all
>>> familiar with that here.
>>>
>>> This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I
>>> can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and
>>> how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] 450m "MUX Gain"

[Ken Hohhof]

Vaguely related, is anyone else having trouble with CRC errors on their 450m’s? 
 Or is everyone using fiber?

 

I saw a forum post somewhere from someone claiming there was a problem between 
Mikrotik CCRs and Cambium 450m’s and that it was just a reporting error not 
real errors.  What I’m talking about though is real errors.  In my case it’s 
with Chuck’s gas tube protectors and a Packetflux RackInjector and Cambium Sync.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m "MUX Gain"

 

I'm assuming 7x is maximum - that's probably not realistic, but I think someone 
in Texas got pretty close.

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 9:38 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Ok cool.

On 3/25/2020 8:46 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> yes
>
> Mark
>
>> On Mar 24, 2020, at 11:01 PM, Adam Moffett >  > wrote:
>>
>> In the Cambium capacity planner you can set a "MUX Gain" value to account 
>> for MU-MIMO.  It seems to simply multiply the system capacity by the MUX 
>> gain. The default value is 3.0.
>>
>> Has anyone experienced an actual trippling of capacity with the 450m?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] AF11 custom combiner

[Kurt Fankhauser]

can he "replace" an existing antenna with a different one?

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:19 PM  wrote:

> He can’t hang another antenna.
>
> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:11 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF11 custom combiner
>
> Yeah your insertion loss is going to kill the performance of the link, why
> may I ask are you trying to do this other than the obvious reason of not
> wanting to hang 2 antennas. Why not just get a more efficient radio for the
> link like Aviat? We just bough our first aviat link to replace an AF11 link
> this week.
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:07 PM  wrote:
>
>> Now that I think about it, this will not work without sharp bandpass
>> filters
>> on the transmitters.
>> To do what I have drawn here without the filters you would need a hybrid
>> combiner on the TX and you will lose another 3 dB in that.
>>
>> So 6 dB loss over all from one end to the other.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:00 PM
>> To: Nate Burke ; af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: AF11 custom combiner
>>
>> Nate, I am posting this to the list too.  Want to see if I made a mistake
>> here.  I don't have a ton of experience with the internals of the AF11.
>> I think each diplexer feeds a TX and an RX right?
>> Not sure how good the RX input filters are.  So I used a splitter rather
>> than circulators.
>>
>> Circulators would have less loss but you have to have a pretty sharp
>> bandpass filter on the front of the receivers to do that trick.
>> You could add the filters.
>>
>> Not sure this will work without TX filters too but I think it will.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Nate Burke
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:15 AM
>> To: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Subject: Re: Re: AF11 custom combiner
>>
>> Both paths are dual polarity v/h
>> SiteA
>> Radio1 TX 11505
>> Radio2 TX 11225
>>
>> SiteB
>> Radio1 TX 11015
>> Radio2 TX 10735
>>
>> Those are different Diplexers on the AF11 Radios  11015x11505 is the
>> high diplexer  11225x10735 is the low diplexer.  If they were just
>> single pol licenses, I'm already doing that with 2 radios on 1 AF11
>> dish, one radio on V one radio on H.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Nate
>>
>>
>> On 3/25/2020 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> > 10735 is pretty close to 11015.  Would these be tx frequencies?
>> > Need to know what is RX and what is TX at this site.  Also what is on
>> what
>> > polarization.
>> > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, March 25,
>> > 2020 10:55 AM To: ch...@wbmfg.com Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner
>> > The boss is asking the questions, and in his mind it should be as simple
>> > as wire-nutting the 3 coax's together.  So I have to follow up with why
>> > that won't work and present a solution for him.
>> >
>> > Channels we have are
>> > 11505x11015 (high)
>> > 11225x10735 (low)
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Nate
>> >
>> > On 3/25/2020 11:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> >> Yes, you can do that and it is lossy.
>> >> Circulators and splitters are frequently used.
>> >> Being high/low licenses makes things a bit more difficult.
>> >>
>> >> If you can give me details as to what radios and frequencies you want
>> to
>> >> put on the AF11 dish I can think on it a bit.
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:44 AM
>> >> To: Chuck McCown
>> >> Subject: AF11 custom combiner
>> >>
>> >> Chuck, We've been using your AF11 REMEC adapters in a couple places.  I
>> >> have a location where I can't physically add another Dish, but I do
>> have
>> >> 2 licensed channels to the site.  1 high band and 1 low band. Is there
>> >> a way to combine 2 dual band radios onto the same dish?  I already have
>> >> the AF11 dish installed, so if there was just a way to do a
>> >> splitter/combiner with the N Connectors, that would be ideal.  I didn't
>> >> know if such a beast existed, or if it was something in your
>> >> engineering/production toolbag, or if it's technically impossible.
>> >> Maybe using the Coax would be too much loss, and the only way to do it
>> >> would be with a feedhorn combiner, and the remec adapters.  I thought
>> >> this might be something that you would just know off the top of your
>> >> head.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you,
>> >> Nate Burke
>> >> Blast Communications
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] AF11 custom combiner

[chuck]

He can’t hang another antenna.

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 custom combiner

Yeah your insertion loss is going to kill the performance of the link, why may 
I ask are you trying to do this other than the obvious reason of not wanting to 
hang 2 antennas. Why not just get a more efficient radio for the link like 
Aviat? We just bough our first aviat link to replace an AF11 link this week.

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:07 PM  wrote:

  Now that I think about it, this will not work without sharp bandpass filters 
  on the transmitters.
  To do what I have drawn here without the filters you would need a hybrid 
  combiner on the TX and you will lose another 3 dB in that.

  So 6 dB loss over all from one end to the other.

  -Original Message- 
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:00 PM
  To: Nate Burke ; af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: AF11 custom combiner

  Nate, I am posting this to the list too.  Want to see if I made a mistake
  here.  I don't have a ton of experience with the internals of the AF11.
  I think each diplexer feeds a TX and an RX right?
  Not sure how good the RX input filters are.  So I used a splitter rather
  than circulators.

  Circulators would have less loss but you have to have a pretty sharp
  bandpass filter on the front of the receivers to do that trick.
  You could add the filters.

  Not sure this will work without TX filters too but I think it will.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Nate Burke
  Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:15 AM
  To: ch...@wbmfg.com
  Subject: Re: Re: AF11 custom combiner

  Both paths are dual polarity v/h
  SiteA
  Radio1 TX 11505
  Radio2 TX 11225

  SiteB
  Radio1 TX 11015
  Radio2 TX 10735

  Those are different Diplexers on the AF11 Radios  11015x11505 is the
  high diplexer  11225x10735 is the low diplexer.  If they were just
  single pol licenses, I'm already doing that with 2 radios on 1 AF11
  dish, one radio on V one radio on H.

  Thanks,
  Nate


  On 3/25/2020 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  > 10735 is pretty close to 11015.  Would these be tx frequencies?
  > Need to know what is RX and what is TX at this site.  Also what is on what
  > polarization.
  > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, March 25,
  > 2020 10:55 AM To: ch...@wbmfg.com Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner
  > The boss is asking the questions, and in his mind it should be as simple
  > as wire-nutting the 3 coax's together.  So I have to follow up with why
  > that won't work and present a solution for him.
  >
  > Channels we have are
  > 11505x11015 (high)
  > 11225x10735 (low)
  >
  > Thanks,
  > Nate
  >
  > On 3/25/2020 11:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  >> Yes, you can do that and it is lossy.
  >> Circulators and splitters are frequently used.
  >> Being high/low licenses makes things a bit more difficult.
  >>
  >> If you can give me details as to what radios and frequencies you want to
  >> put on the AF11 dish I can think on it a bit.
  >>
  >> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
  >> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:44 AM
  >> To: Chuck McCown
  >> Subject: AF11 custom combiner
  >>
  >> Chuck, We've been using your AF11 REMEC adapters in a couple places.  I
  >> have a location where I can't physically add another Dish, but I do have
  >> 2 licensed channels to the site.  1 high band and 1 low band. Is there
  >> a way to combine 2 dual band radios onto the same dish?  I already have
  >> the AF11 dish installed, so if there was just a way to do a
  >> splitter/combiner with the N Connectors, that would be ideal.  I didn't
  >> know if such a beast existed, or if it was something in your
  >> engineering/production toolbag, or if it's technically impossible.
  >> Maybe using the Coax would be too much loss, and the only way to do it
  >> would be with a feedhorn combiner, and the remec adapters.  I thought
  >> this might be something that you would just know off the top of your
  >> head.
  >>
  >> Thank you,
  >> Nate Burke
  >> Blast Communications 


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Re: [AFMUG] AF11 custom combiner

[chuck]

This is the hybrid combiner version.

-Original Message- 
From: ch...@wbmfg.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:06 PM
To: Nate Burke ; af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner

Now that I think about it, this will not work without sharp bandpass filters
on the transmitters.
To do what I have drawn here without the filters you would need a hybrid
combiner on the TX and you will lose another 3 dB in that.

So 6 dB loss over all from one end to the other.

-Original Message- 
From: ch...@wbmfg.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:00 PM
To: Nate Burke ; af@af.afmug.com
Subject: AF11 custom combiner

Nate, I am posting this to the list too.  Want to see if I made a mistake
here.  I don't have a ton of experience with the internals of the AF11.
I think each diplexer feeds a TX and an RX right?
Not sure how good the RX input filters are.  So I used a splitter rather
than circulators.

Circulators would have less loss but you have to have a pretty sharp
bandpass filter on the front of the receivers to do that trick.
You could add the filters.

Not sure this will work without TX filters too but I think it will.

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:15 AM
To: ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: Re: AF11 custom combiner

Both paths are dual polarity v/h
SiteA
Radio1 TX 11505
Radio2 TX 11225

SiteB
Radio1 TX 11015
Radio2 TX 10735

Those are different Diplexers on the AF11 Radios  11015x11505 is the
high diplexer  11225x10735 is the low diplexer.  If they were just
single pol licenses, I'm already doing that with 2 radios on 1 AF11
dish, one radio on V one radio on H.

Thanks,
Nate


On 3/25/2020 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

10735 is pretty close to 11015.  Would these be tx frequencies?
Need to know what is RX and what is TX at this site.  Also what is on what
polarization.
-Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, March 25,
2020 10:55 AM To: ch...@wbmfg.com Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner
The boss is asking the questions, and in his mind it should be as simple
as wire-nutting the 3 coax's together.  So I have to follow up with why
that won't work and present a solution for him.

Channels we have are
11505x11015 (high)
11225x10735 (low)

Thanks,
Nate

On 3/25/2020 11:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Yes, you can do that and it is lossy.
Circulators and splitters are frequently used.
Being high/low licenses makes things a bit more difficult.

If you can give me details as to what radios and frequencies you want to
put on the AF11 dish I can think on it a bit.

-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:44 AM
To: Chuck McCown
Subject: AF11 custom combiner

Chuck, We've been using your AF11 REMEC adapters in a couple places.  I
have a location where I can't physically add another Dish, but I do have
2 licensed channels to the site.  1 high band and 1 low band. Is there
a way to combine 2 dual band radios onto the same dish?  I already have
the AF11 dish installed, so if there was just a way to do a
splitter/combiner with the N Connectors, that would be ideal.  I didn't
know if such a beast existed, or if it was something in your
engineering/production toolbag, or if it's technically impossible.
Maybe using the Coax would be too much loss, and the only way to do it
would be with a feedhorn combiner, and the remec adapters.  I thought
this might be something that you would just know off the top of your
head.

Thank you,
Nate Burke
Blast Communications


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Re: [AFMUG] 450m "MUX Gain"

[Carl Peterson]

4X is a reasonable urban multiplier with good spacing.  We are using them
as on overlay to offload capacity so we can pick and choose clients to move
over and spread them across the sector.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 10:02 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> In the Cambium capacity planner you can set a "MUX Gain" value to
> account for MU-MIMO.  It seems to simply multiply the system capacity by
> the MUX gain. The default value is 3.0.
>
> Has anyone experienced an actual trippling of capacity with the 450m?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] AF11 custom combiner

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Yeah your insertion loss is going to kill the performance of the link, why
may I ask are you trying to do this other than the obvious reason of not
wanting to hang 2 antennas. Why not just get a more efficient radio for the
link like Aviat? We just bough our first aviat link to replace an AF11 link
this week.

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:07 PM  wrote:

> Now that I think about it, this will not work without sharp bandpass
> filters
> on the transmitters.
> To do what I have drawn here without the filters you would need a hybrid
> combiner on the TX and you will lose another 3 dB in that.
>
> So 6 dB loss over all from one end to the other.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:00 PM
> To: Nate Burke ; af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: AF11 custom combiner
>
> Nate, I am posting this to the list too.  Want to see if I made a mistake
> here.  I don't have a ton of experience with the internals of the AF11.
> I think each diplexer feeds a TX and an RX right?
> Not sure how good the RX input filters are.  So I used a splitter rather
> than circulators.
>
> Circulators would have less loss but you have to have a pretty sharp
> bandpass filter on the front of the receivers to do that trick.
> You could add the filters.
>
> Not sure this will work without TX filters too but I think it will.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:15 AM
> To: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Subject: Re: Re: AF11 custom combiner
>
> Both paths are dual polarity v/h
> SiteA
> Radio1 TX 11505
> Radio2 TX 11225
>
> SiteB
> Radio1 TX 11015
> Radio2 TX 10735
>
> Those are different Diplexers on the AF11 Radios  11015x11505 is the
> high diplexer  11225x10735 is the low diplexer.  If they were just
> single pol licenses, I'm already doing that with 2 radios on 1 AF11
> dish, one radio on V one radio on H.
>
> Thanks,
> Nate
>
>
> On 3/25/2020 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > 10735 is pretty close to 11015.  Would these be tx frequencies?
> > Need to know what is RX and what is TX at this site.  Also what is on
> what
> > polarization.
> > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, March 25,
> > 2020 10:55 AM To: ch...@wbmfg.com Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner
> > The boss is asking the questions, and in his mind it should be as simple
> > as wire-nutting the 3 coax's together.  So I have to follow up with why
> > that won't work and present a solution for him.
> >
> > Channels we have are
> > 11505x11015 (high)
> > 11225x10735 (low)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nate
> >
> > On 3/25/2020 11:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >> Yes, you can do that and it is lossy.
> >> Circulators and splitters are frequently used.
> >> Being high/low licenses makes things a bit more difficult.
> >>
> >> If you can give me details as to what radios and frequencies you want to
> >> put on the AF11 dish I can think on it a bit.
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:44 AM
> >> To: Chuck McCown
> >> Subject: AF11 custom combiner
> >>
> >> Chuck, We've been using your AF11 REMEC adapters in a couple places.  I
> >> have a location where I can't physically add another Dish, but I do have
> >> 2 licensed channels to the site.  1 high band and 1 low band. Is there
> >> a way to combine 2 dual band radios onto the same dish?  I already have
> >> the AF11 dish installed, so if there was just a way to do a
> >> splitter/combiner with the N Connectors, that would be ideal.  I didn't
> >> know if such a beast existed, or if it was something in your
> >> engineering/production toolbag, or if it's technically impossible.
> >> Maybe using the Coax would be too much loss, and the only way to do it
> >> would be with a feedhorn combiner, and the remec adapters.  I thought
> >> this might be something that you would just know off the top of your
> >> head.
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >> Nate Burke
> >> Blast Communications
>
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Re: [AFMUG] AF11 custom combiner

[chuck]

Now that I think about it, this will not work without sharp bandpass filters 
on the transmitters.
To do what I have drawn here without the filters you would need a hybrid 
combiner on the TX and you will lose another 3 dB in that.


So 6 dB loss over all from one end to the other.

-Original Message- 
From: ch...@wbmfg.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:00 PM
To: Nate Burke ; af@af.afmug.com
Subject: AF11 custom combiner

Nate, I am posting this to the list too.  Want to see if I made a mistake
here.  I don't have a ton of experience with the internals of the AF11.
I think each diplexer feeds a TX and an RX right?
Not sure how good the RX input filters are.  So I used a splitter rather
than circulators.

Circulators would have less loss but you have to have a pretty sharp
bandpass filter on the front of the receivers to do that trick.
You could add the filters.

Not sure this will work without TX filters too but I think it will.

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:15 AM
To: ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: Re: AF11 custom combiner

Both paths are dual polarity v/h
SiteA
Radio1 TX 11505
Radio2 TX 11225

SiteB
Radio1 TX 11015
Radio2 TX 10735

Those are different Diplexers on the AF11 Radios  11015x11505 is the
high diplexer  11225x10735 is the low diplexer.  If they were just
single pol licenses, I'm already doing that with 2 radios on 1 AF11
dish, one radio on V one radio on H.

Thanks,
Nate


On 3/25/2020 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

10735 is pretty close to 11015.  Would these be tx frequencies?
Need to know what is RX and what is TX at this site.  Also what is on what
polarization.
-Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, March 25,
2020 10:55 AM To: ch...@wbmfg.com Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner
The boss is asking the questions, and in his mind it should be as simple
as wire-nutting the 3 coax's together.  So I have to follow up with why
that won't work and present a solution for him.

Channels we have are
11505x11015 (high)
11225x10735 (low)

Thanks,
Nate

On 3/25/2020 11:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Yes, you can do that and it is lossy.
Circulators and splitters are frequently used.
Being high/low licenses makes things a bit more difficult.

If you can give me details as to what radios and frequencies you want to
put on the AF11 dish I can think on it a bit.

-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:44 AM
To: Chuck McCown
Subject: AF11 custom combiner

Chuck, We've been using your AF11 REMEC adapters in a couple places.  I
have a location where I can't physically add another Dish, but I do have
2 licensed channels to the site.  1 high band and 1 low band. Is there
a way to combine 2 dual band radios onto the same dish?  I already have
the AF11 dish installed, so if there was just a way to do a
splitter/combiner with the N Connectors, that would be ideal.  I didn't
know if such a beast existed, or if it was something in your
engineering/production toolbag, or if it's technically impossible.
Maybe using the Coax would be too much loss, and the only way to do it
would be with a feedhorn combiner, and the remec adapters.  I thought
this might be something that you would just know off the top of your
head.

Thank you,
Nate Burke
Blast Communications 



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[AFMUG] AF11 custom combiner

[chuck]

Nate, I am posting this to the list too.  Want to see if I made a mistake 
here.  I don't have a ton of experience with the internals of the AF11.

I think each diplexer feeds a TX and an RX right?
Not sure how good the RX input filters are.  So I used a splitter rather 
than circulators.


Circulators would have less loss but you have to have a pretty sharp 
bandpass filter on the front of the receivers to do that trick.

You could add the filters.

Not sure this will work without TX filters too but I think it will.

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:15 AM
To: ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: Re: AF11 custom combiner

Both paths are dual polarity v/h
SiteA
Radio1 TX 11505
Radio2 TX 11225

SiteB
Radio1 TX 11015
Radio2 TX 10735

Those are different Diplexers on the AF11 Radios  11015x11505 is the
high diplexer  11225x10735 is the low diplexer.  If they were just
single pol licenses, I'm already doing that with 2 radios on 1 AF11
dish, one radio on V one radio on H.

Thanks,
Nate


On 3/25/2020 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

10735 is pretty close to 11015.  Would these be tx frequencies?
Need to know what is RX and what is TX at this site.  Also what is on what 
polarization.
-Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 
2020 10:55 AM To: ch...@wbmfg.com Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner
The boss is asking the questions, and in his mind it should be as simple 
as wire-nutting the 3 coax's together.  So I have to follow up with why 
that won't work and present a solution for him.


Channels we have are
11505x11015 (high)
11225x10735 (low)

Thanks,
Nate

On 3/25/2020 11:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Yes, you can do that and it is lossy.
Circulators and splitters are frequently used.
Being high/low licenses makes things a bit more difficult.

If you can give me details as to what radios and frequencies you want to 
put on the AF11 dish I can think on it a bit.


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:44 AM
To: Chuck McCown
Subject: AF11 custom combiner

Chuck, We've been using your AF11 REMEC adapters in a couple places.  I
have a location where I can't physically add another Dish, but I do have
2 licensed channels to the site.  1 high band and 1 low band. Is there
a way to combine 2 dual band radios onto the same dish?  I already have
the AF11 dish installed, so if there was just a way to do a
splitter/combiner with the N Connectors, that would be ideal.  I didn't
know if such a beast existed, or if it was something in your
engineering/production toolbag, or if it's technically impossible.
Maybe using the Coax would be too much loss, and the only way to do it
would be with a feedhorn combiner, and the remec adapters.  I thought
this might be something that you would just know off the top of your 
head.


Thank you,
Nate Burke
Blast Communications


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Re: [AFMUG] 450m "MUX Gain"

[Josh Luthman]

I'm assuming 7x is maximum - that's probably not realistic, but I think
someone in Texas got pretty close.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 9:38 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Ok cool.
>
> On 3/25/2020 8:46 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> > yes
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >> On Mar 24, 2020, at 11:01 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> >>
> >> In the Cambium capacity planner you can set a "MUX Gain" value to
> account for MU-MIMO.  It seems to simply multiply the system capacity by
> the MUX gain. The default value is 3.0.
> >>
> >> Has anyone experienced an actual trippling of capacity with the 450m?
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

[Jay Weekley]

Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was 
supported.  900 was on the road map.


Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com


On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:

What frequencies does it support?

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

How do they charge for it?  Can you do work for the next guy over?
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if you 
don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I can 
see the price being too high. But the other part where they help identify best 
locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more coverage is 
always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But they're hard to keep 
watered.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site
does not work for us.  We have to have many small sites because of
hills and trees , over 90 currently.   I can see if you had a few
mega sites it could make sense.

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

much much more than free

but much much less input and much much much more output

I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and
applied it to our real world.

The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site
generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled
and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself
probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we
missed.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM  wrote:

What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?

*From:*Steve Jones

*Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat

I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this
pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal
game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to
install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the
CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we
actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time
didnt grab it)

there was  a marginal spot we considered, this would have been
bad long term.

we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to
EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half
of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come
out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450
cbrs stuff

your installer can walk out the door each morning with a
picture and have a best location target, install survey times
will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good
spot, and on the probably best spot.

I dont come across a product im this excited about too often.
If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see
where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the
other two components are crazy perfect too

like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and
its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all
familiar with that here.

This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I
can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and
how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be



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Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
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> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:
> 
> What frequencies does it support?
> 
> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> How do they charge for it?  Can you do work for the next guy over?
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never know if 
>> you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I 
>> can see the price being too high. But the other part where they help 
>> identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more 
>> coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But 
>> they're hard to keep watered.
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>> 
>>I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site
>>does not work for us.  We have to have many small sites because of
>>hills and trees , over 90 currently.   I can see if you had a few
>>mega sites it could make sense.
>> 
>>*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>*Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
>>*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>> 
>>much much more than free
>> 
>>but much much less input and much much much more output
>> 
>>I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and
>>applied it to our real world.
>> 
>>The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site
>>generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled
>>and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself
>>probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we
>>missed.
>> 
>>On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM  wrote:
>> 
>>What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?
>> 
>>*From:*Steve Jones
>> 
>>*Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM
>> 
>>*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> 
>>*Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat
>> 
>>I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this
>>pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal
>>game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to
>>install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the
>>CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we
>>actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time
>>didnt grab it)
>> 
>>there was  a marginal spot we considered, this would have been
>>bad long term.
>> 
>>we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to
>>EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half
>>of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come
>>out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450
>>cbrs stuff
>> 
>>your installer can walk out the door each morning with a
>>picture and have a best location target, install survey times
>>will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good
>>spot, and on the probably best spot.
>> 
>>I dont come across a product im this excited about too often.
>>If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see
>>where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the
>>other two components are crazy perfect too
>> 
>>like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and
>>its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all
>>familiar with that here.
>> 
>>This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I
>>can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and
>>how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be
>> 
>>
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

[Jay Weekley]

What frequencies does it support?

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

How do they charge for it?  Can you do work for the next guy over?
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never 
know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, 
lots of hills, I can see the price being too high. But the other part 
where they help identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. 
Less towers and more coverage is always good. Planting people seeds 
would be good too. But they're hard to keep watered.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site
does not work for us.  We have to have many small sites because of
hills and trees , over 90 currently.   I can see if you had a few
mega sites it could make sense.

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

much much more than free

but much much less input and much much much more output

I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and
applied it to our real world.

The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site
generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled
and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself
probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we
missed.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM  wrote:

What does it cost?  More than Radio Mobile...?

*From:*Steve Jones

*Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat

I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do this
pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal
game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to
install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the
CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we
actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time
didnt grab it)

there was  a marginal spot we considered, this would have been
bad long term.

we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to
EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, half
of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come
out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450
cbrs stuff

your installer can walk out the door each morning with a
picture and have a best location target, install survey times
will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good
spot, and on the probably best spot.

I dont come across a product im this excited about too often.
If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see
where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY the
other two components are crazy perfect too

like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, and
its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all
familiar with that here.

This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I
can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and
how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be



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Re: [AFMUG] Android Tablet

[Chuck McCown]

I love my surface.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I can't from personal experience, but my son has a Samsung Galaxy Tab, I
> don't know which model, it's 1-2 years old.  I know he falls asleep a lot
> and it drops on the floor so it must not be very fragile.  Only complaint is
> the speaker volume only goes as high as adequate, you're not going to have a
> whole room of people listening to it.
> 
> Reviewers seem to love the Surface series, even to the point of saying that
> Apple is coming around to realizing that Microsoft actually got some things
> right, like people actually do want keyboards, trackpads and styluses.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:29 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Android Tablet
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> Can anyone recommend a cost effective android tablet that wont fall apart?
> I love my iPad but bit expensive to throw around in work vehicle.
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Re: [AFMUG] Android Tablet

[Ken Hohhof]

I can't from personal experience, but my son has a Samsung Galaxy Tab, I
don't know which model, it's 1-2 years old.  I know he falls asleep a lot
and it drops on the floor so it must not be very fragile.  Only complaint is
the speaker volume only goes as high as adequate, you're not going to have a
whole room of people listening to it.

Reviewers seem to love the Surface series, even to the point of saying that
Apple is coming around to realizing that Microsoft actually got some things
right, like people actually do want keyboards, trackpads and styluses.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:29 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Android Tablet

Can anyone recommend a cost effective android tablet that wont fall apart?
I love my iPad but bit expensive to throw around in work vehicle.

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[AFMUG] Android Tablet

[Matt]

Can anyone recommend a cost effective android tablet that wont fall
apart?  I love my iPad but bit expensive to throw around in work
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[AFMUG] Announcement: TC New Feature

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

We have finished another feature update. You have requested that we e-mail 
customers when the submit a EUS to you to inform them that you have received 
the data. We have added a customer notification section. Visit Account -> EUS 
settings and then click on Customer Notification. Check the box, and fill in 
the boxes, and we will send an e-mail to the customer!

TowerCoverage Support

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Re: [AFMUG] 450m "MUX Gain"

[Adam Moffett]

Ok cool.

On 3/25/2020 8:46 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

yes

Mark


On Mar 24, 2020, at 11:01 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

In the Cambium capacity planner you can set a "MUX Gain" value to account for 
MU-MIMO.  It seems to simply multiply the system capacity by the MUX gain. The default 
value is 3.0.

Has anyone experienced an actual trippling of capacity with the 450m?


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Re: [AFMUG] 450m "MUX Gain"

[Mark Radabaugh]

yes

Mark

> On Mar 24, 2020, at 11:01 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> In the Cambium capacity planner you can set a "MUX Gain" value to account for 
> MU-MIMO.  It seems to simply multiply the system capacity by the MUX gain. 
> The default value is 3.0.
> 
> Has anyone experienced an actual trippling of capacity with the 450m?
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