Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

[Ken Hohhof]

Apparently regular steel and stainless steel both “rust”.  But stainless forms 
a thin stable protective layer of chromium oxide, while regular steel turns to 
unstable iron oxide which just grows and grows.

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-doesnt-stainless-stee/

 

 

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Certainly not stronger and twice the expense.  

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 8:07 PM

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

I would assume this wasn't a slip of the tongue. Just surprised that anyone 
would build a tower out of stainless steel. Chuck would likely know but I am 
pretty sure stainless is softer than regular steel.

 

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We have a stainless steel tower that’s probably about 30 years old. Good shape. 
But I noticed some minor rust developing on the surface of some cross members 
and a few climbing pegs. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

[chuck]

Certainly not stronger and twice the expense.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 8:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

I would assume this wasn't a slip of the tongue. Just surprised that anyone 
would build a tower out of stainless steel. Chuck would likely know but I am 
pretty sure stainless is softer than regular steel.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 8:24 AM Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

  We have a stainless steel tower that’s probably about 30 years old. Good 
shape. But I noticed some minor rust developing on the surface of some cross 
members and a few climbing pegs. 

  What’s the best way to stop this and protect the tower?
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Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

[Lewis Bergman]

I would assume this wasn't a slip of the tongue. Just surprised that anyone
would build a tower out of stainless steel. Chuck would likely know but I
am pretty sure stainless is softer than regular steel.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 8:24 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> We have a stainless steel tower that’s probably about 30 years old. Good
> shape. But I noticed some minor rust developing on the surface of some
> cross members and a few climbing pegs.
>
> What’s the best way to stop this and protect the tower?
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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[James Howard]

I assume Robert will respond with the correct info but he did specifically say 
it was attached to the house in the original post.  I read it to say that there 
was a window with an opening of 3x3'.  I assume this means that there aren't 
any doors directly between the solarium and the house which could be left open 
to assist with the heat transfer.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 3:58 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

But if the bathroom and solarium are separate by 3 feet, much more carpentry
required.

-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:39 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

I'm talking about making two new holes. Forget about the window.


bp


On 11/4/2020 1:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Sounds like there is just one lower level window and it is not even
> connected.
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:29 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
>
> You can put in two vents; one as high as you can, and a second as low as
> you can. Hot solarium air will rise and move into the colder space on
> the other side, while at the same time drawing air in from the bottom
> vent. This is as passive as you can get. If you want to augment it, you
> could put a solar powered exhaust fan at the top vent to force the issue.
>
> My parents had a "Wilkening Fireplace" that worked on this principle,
> and they heated the whole house in Minnesota with it.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/4/2020 9:54 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a
>> bathroom window about 3x3' between them open. Does anyone have any
>> magic tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the
>> house without using power? The temp difference the other day was 106 in
>> the solarium and 55 in the house.
>>
>> Best,
>> Robert
>>
>

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

[chuck]

I dunno, if I was going to start a new business that was conducive to being in 
PR and it was going to make a lot of money, they don’t have federal income tax. 
 

From: SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 4:38 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

You should be a State.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 7:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

 

Its non-bidding … so we continue to be a colony… 

 

From: AF 
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 9:59 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

My understanding is that it is non-binding. I personally think it might be good 
for them, but I believe that it would require a vote of congress.

 

bpOn 11/4/2020 5:55 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Does this mean you will become a state?

  Sent from my iPhone

   

On Nov 4, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
wrote:

 

Statehood won with about 55% on yesterday event… 

 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 


 
  
  
  
  
  
  

www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 12:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

prettyhyped that west side story is on netflix. I literally cut through our 
vinyl west side story, and spun out the betamax on it.

 

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 10:05 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  They've had referendums go either direction.

  Here's everything I know about Puerto Rico: 
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPlcE3GcoFc

  Bernardo: "I think I go back to San Juan."

  Anita: "I know a boat you can get on."

  Bernardo: "When I get back there will be big cheer."

  Anita:"Everyone there will have moved here."



  >
  > also, does PR even want to be a state? I never knew for sure. I think 
  > they should be if they want, but why would you want to gain the 
  > responsibility of statehood when you already have the benefit
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

[SmarterBroadband]

You should be a State.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 7:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

 

Its non-bidding … so we continue to be a colony… 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 9:59 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com   mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

My understanding is that it is non-binding. I personally think it might be good 
for them, but I believe that it would require a vote of congress.

 

bp


On 11/4/2020 5:55 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Does this mean you will become a state?

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Nov 4, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Gino A. Villarini   
 wrote:

 

Statehood won with about 55% on yesterday event… 

 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 


  

  

   

   

   

 

  

   



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Guaynabo, PR 00968

From: AF   
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 12:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

prettyhyped that west side story is on netflix. I literally cut through our 
vinyl west side story, and spun out the betamax on it.

 

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 10:05 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

They've had referendums go either direction.

Here's everything I know about Puerto Rico: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPlcE3GcoFc

Bernardo: "I think I go back to San Juan."

Anita: "I know a boat you can get on."

Bernardo: "When I get back there will be big cheer."

Anita:"Everyone there will have moved here."



>
> also, does PR even want to be a state? I never knew for sure. I think 
> they should be if they want, but why would you want to gain the 
> responsibility of statehood when you already have the benefit
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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[Bill Prince]

I meant JASMOC

(used to use SMOP in the old programming days)


bp


On 11/4/2020 1:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
But if the bathroom and solarium are separate by 3 feet, much more 
carpentry required.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:39 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

I'm talking about making two new holes. Forget about the window.


bp


On 11/4/2020 1:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Sounds like there is just one lower level window and it is not even 
connected.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

You can put in two vents; one as high as you can, and a second as low as
you can. Hot solarium air will rise and move into the colder space on
the other side, while at the same time drawing air in from the bottom
vent. This is as passive as you can get. If you want to augment it, you
could put a solar powered exhaust fan at the top vent to force the 
issue.


My parents had a "Wilkening Fireplace" that worked on this principle,
and they heated the whole house in Minnesota with it.


bp


On 11/4/2020 9:54 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Hi folks,
    I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a 
bathroom window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any 
magic tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into 
the house without using power?   The temp difference the other day 
was 106 in the solarium and 55 in the house.


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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[Bill Prince]

JASMAC

(Just A Small Matter of Carpentry)


bp


On 11/4/2020 1:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
But if the bathroom and solarium are separate by 3 feet, much more 
carpentry required.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:39 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

I'm talking about making two new holes. Forget about the window.


bp


On 11/4/2020 1:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Sounds like there is just one lower level window and it is not even 
connected.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

You can put in two vents; one as high as you can, and a second as low as
you can. Hot solarium air will rise and move into the colder space on
the other side, while at the same time drawing air in from the bottom
vent. This is as passive as you can get. If you want to augment it, you
could put a solar powered exhaust fan at the top vent to force the 
issue.


My parents had a "Wilkening Fireplace" that worked on this principle,
and they heated the whole house in Minnesota with it.


bp


On 11/4/2020 9:54 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Hi folks,
    I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a 
bathroom window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any 
magic tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into 
the house without using power?   The temp difference the other day 
was 106 in the solarium and 55 in the house.


Best,
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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[chuck]

But if the bathroom and solarium are separate by 3 feet, much more carpentry 
required.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:39 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

I'm talking about making two new holes. Forget about the window.


bp


On 11/4/2020 1:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Sounds like there is just one lower level window and it is not even 
connected.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

You can put in two vents; one as high as you can, and a second as low as
you can. Hot solarium air will rise and move into the colder space on
the other side, while at the same time drawing air in from the bottom
vent. This is as passive as you can get. If you want to augment it, you
could put a solar powered exhaust fan at the top vent to force the issue.

My parents had a "Wilkening Fireplace" that worked on this principle,
and they heated the whole house in Minnesota with it.


bp


On 11/4/2020 9:54 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Hi folks,
I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a 
bathroom window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any 
magic tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the 
house without using power?   The temp difference the other day was 106 in 
the solarium and 55 in the house.


Best,
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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[Bill Prince]

I'm talking about making two new holes. Forget about the window.


bp


On 11/4/2020 1:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Sounds like there is just one lower level window and it is not even 
connected.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

You can put in two vents; one as high as you can, and a second as low as
you can. Hot solarium air will rise and move into the colder space on
the other side, while at the same time drawing air in from the bottom
vent. This is as passive as you can get. If you want to augment it, you
could put a solar powered exhaust fan at the top vent to force the issue.

My parents had a "Wilkening Fireplace" that worked on this principle,
and they heated the whole house in Minnesota with it.


bp


On 11/4/2020 9:54 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Hi folks,
    I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a 
bathroom window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any 
magic tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the 
house without using power?   The temp difference the other day was 
106 in the solarium and 55 in the house.


Best,
    Robert





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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[chuck]

Sounds like there is just one lower level window and it is not even 
connected.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 2:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

You can put in two vents; one as high as you can, and a second as low as
you can. Hot solarium air will rise and move into the colder space on
the other side, while at the same time drawing air in from the bottom
vent. This is as passive as you can get. If you want to augment it, you
could put a solar powered exhaust fan at the top vent to force the issue.

My parents had a "Wilkening Fireplace" that worked on this principle,
and they heated the whole house in Minnesota with it.


bp


On 11/4/2020 9:54 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Hi folks,
I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a 
bathroom window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any magic 
tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house 
without using power?   The temp difference the other day was 106 in the 
solarium and 55 in the house.


Best,
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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[Bill Prince]

You can put in two vents; one as high as you can, and a second as low as 
you can. Hot solarium air will rise and move into the colder space on 
the other side, while at the same time drawing air in from the bottom 
vent. This is as passive as you can get. If you want to augment it, you 
could put a solar powered exhaust fan at the top vent to force the issue.


My parents had a "Wilkening Fireplace" that worked on this principle, 
and they heated the whole house in Minnesota with it.



bp


On 11/4/2020 9:54 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Hi folks,
I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a 
bathroom window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any 
magic tricks up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the 
house without using power?   The temp difference the other day was 106 
in the solarium and 55 in the house.


Best,
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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Something like this would do the job with a small solar panel.
Just hook it up with dryer hose.

https://www.mcmaster.com/19665K11/

From: Robert 
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 12:25 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

The whirlybirds work by letting the rising warm air spin the blades.   I wonder 
if putting the intake lower in the solarium and the whirlybird highest in the 
cold house would do the same?  The house being colder would be like the 
outside?  Or does the whirlybird need a breeze blowing by to get it started?  


On 11/4/20 11:08 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

  if you want to run duct, put a whirlybird vent outside, as long as the intake 
is in the bathroom and the duct runs through the solarium it will start 
drafting and likely pull the warm solarium air into the bathroom. similar to a 
cold smokehouse

  On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 1:01 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

Or something like this solar powered attic fan

https://smile.amazon.com/Amtrak-Powerful-Solar-Ventilates-build-up/dp/B01FIH
M92G/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1=solar+power+attic+fan=1604516333=8-
7

Thank you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even build 
something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps?

I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do 
some kind of passive pump.

We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this is just 
to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house side 
from freezing up so hard.

This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years...



On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Heat Pipe.  It would work a little.  Finned tubes from a radiator.  Full 
> of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed.  The solarium would 
> boil the water and it would flow to the cold area.  But the cold area of 
> the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will have to 
> have a wick in it.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
> 
> Hi folks,
> I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom
> window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any magic tricks
> up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without
> using power?   The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium
> and 55 in the house.
> 
> Best,
> Robert
> 

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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[Adam Moffett]

I had to Google what you all meant by "whirlybirds".  That's a turbine 
vent.  There are no birds involved, guys.



On 11/4/2020 2:25 PM, Robert wrote:
The whirlybirds work by letting the rising warm air spin the blades.   
I wonder if putting the intake lower in the solarium and the 
whirlybird highest in the cold house would do the same? The house 
being colder would be like the outside?  Or does the whirlybird need a 
breeze blowing by to get it started?


On 11/4/20 11:08 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
if you want to run duct, put a whirlybird vent outside, as long as 
the intake is in the bathroom and the duct runs through the solarium 
it will start drafting and likely pull the warm solarium air into the 
bathroom. similar to a cold smokehouse


On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 1:01 PM Brian Webster 
mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:


Or something like this solar powered attic fan

https://smile.amazon.com/Amtrak-Powerful-Solar-Ventilates-build-up/dp/B01FIH
M92G/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1=solar+power+attic+fan=1604516333=8-


7

Thank you,
Brian Webster
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-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even
build
something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps?

I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do
some kind of passive pump.

We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this
is just
to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house
side
from freezing up so hard.

This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years...



On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:
> Heat Pipe.  It would work a little.  Finned tubes from a
radiator.  Full
> of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed. The
solarium would
> boil the water and it would flow to the cold area.  But the
cold area of
> the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will
have to
> have a wick in it.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
>
> Hi folks,
> I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a
bathroom
> window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any
magic tricks
> up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house
without
> using power?   The temp difference the other day was 106 in the
solarium
> and 55 in the house.
>
> Best,
> Robert
>

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Re: [AFMUG] aftermarket GPON sfp

[Josh Luthman]

Approved offers identical optics for a fraction of the price.  The only
difference is the sticker and serial number.  Same machine spit them out.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 12:09 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Yes.
> Approved Optics and a few others I could look up if needed. - Not actually
> approved but the optics are good.  I just got a quote from a new vendor at
> half the AO price.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 9:35 AM Dev  wrote:
>
>> Ubnt GPON SFP for the OLT is around $100, but other vendors are 6-7x that
>> amount. I doubt that means they contain 6-7x the magic pixie dust. Are
>> there third parties that can sell vendor-specific keyed GPON SFP’s like FS
>> does for Cisco/Juniper/whatever for standard SFP’s?
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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[Robert]

The whirlybirds work by letting the rising warm air spin the blades.   I 
wonder if putting the intake lower in the solarium and the whirlybird 
highest in the cold house would do the same?  The house being colder 
would be like the outside?  Or does the whirlybird need a breeze blowing 
by to get it started?


On 11/4/20 11:08 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
if you want to run duct, put a whirlybird vent outside, as long as the 
intake is in the bathroom and the duct runs through the solarium it 
will start drafting and likely pull the warm solarium air into the 
bathroom. similar to a cold smokehouse


On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 1:01 PM Brian Webster > wrote:


Or something like this solar powered attic fan

https://smile.amazon.com/Amtrak-Powerful-Solar-Ventilates-build-up/dp/B01FIH
M92G/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1=solar+power+attic+fan=1604516333=8-


7

Thank you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com 


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even
build
something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps?

I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do
some kind of passive pump.

We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this
is just
to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house side
from freezing up so hard.

This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years...



On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:
> Heat Pipe.  It would work a little.  Finned tubes from a
radiator.  Full
> of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed.  The
solarium would
> boil the water and it would flow to the cold area.  But the cold
area of
> the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will
have to
> have a wick in it.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
>
> Hi folks,
> I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a
bathroom
> window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any
magic tricks
> up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house
without
> using power?   The temp difference the other day was 106 in the
solarium
> and 55 in the house.
>
> Best,
> Robert
>

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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[Robert]

That's nice...  I live and die by KISS...

On 11/4/20 10:52 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I made a lot of heat pipes when I was working on high bay LEDs. Turns 
out water is the best.  You can use methanol, ethanol or some of the 
freons but you will not move more heat.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 11:41 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even build
something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps?

I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do
some kind of passive pump.

We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this is just
to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house side
from freezing up so hard.

This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years...



On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Heat Pipe.  It would work a little. Finned tubes from a radiator.  
Full of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed.  The 
solarium would boil the water and it would flow to the cold area.  
But the cold area of the tube will have to be higher than the warm 
end or you will have to have a wick in it.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

Hi folks,
I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom
window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any magic tricks
up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without
using power?   The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium
and 55 in the house.

Best,
Robert






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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[Adam Moffett]

With any solution where you're moving air, consider how to return cold 
air from the house back into the solarium.  You don't want negative 
pressure in there pulling in the outside air.  Maybe use two of the 
solar fans so you have an in+out.



On 11/4/2020 2:08 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
if you want to run duct, put a whirlybird vent outside, as long as the 
intake is in the bathroom and the duct runs through the solarium it 
will start drafting and likely pull the warm solarium air into the 
bathroom. similar to a cold smokehouse


On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 1:01 PM Brian Webster > wrote:


Or something like this solar powered attic fan

https://smile.amazon.com/Amtrak-Powerful-Solar-Ventilates-build-up/dp/B01FIH
M92G/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1=solar+power+attic+fan=1604516333=8-


7

Thank you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com 


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even
build
something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps?

I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do
some kind of passive pump.

We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this
is just
to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house side
from freezing up so hard.

This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years...



On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:
> Heat Pipe.  It would work a little.  Finned tubes from a
radiator.  Full
> of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed.  The
solarium would
> boil the water and it would flow to the cold area.  But the cold
area of
> the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will
have to
> have a wick in it.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
>
> Hi folks,
> I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a
bathroom
> window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any
magic tricks
> up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house
without
> using power?   The temp difference the other day was 106 in the
solarium
> and 55 in the house.
>
> Best,
> Robert
>

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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[Steve Jones]

if you want to run duct, put a whirlybird vent outside, as long as the
intake is in the bathroom and the duct runs through the solarium it will
start drafting and likely pull the warm solarium air into the bathroom.
similar to a cold smokehouse

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 1:01 PM Brian Webster 
wrote:

> Or something like this solar powered attic fan
>
>
> https://smile.amazon.com/Amtrak-Powerful-Solar-Ventilates-build-up/dp/B01FIH
>
> M92G/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1=solar+power+attic+fan=1604516333=8-
> 
> 7
>
> Thank you,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1:42 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
>
> Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even build
> something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps?
>
> I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do
> some kind of passive pump.
>
> We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this is just
> to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house side
> from freezing up so hard.
>
> This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years...
>
>
>
> On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Heat Pipe.  It would work a little.  Finned tubes from a radiator.  Full
> > of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed.  The solarium would
> > boil the water and it would flow to the cold area.  But the cold area of
> > the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will have to
> > have a wick in it.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
> >
> > Hi folks,
> > I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom
> > window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any magic tricks
> > up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without
> > using power?   The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium
> > and 55 in the house.
> >
> > Best,
> > Robert
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[Brian Webster]

Or something like this solar powered attic fan

https://smile.amazon.com/Amtrak-Powerful-Solar-Ventilates-build-up/dp/B01FIH
M92G/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1=solar+power+attic+fan=1604516333=8-
7

Thank you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even build 
something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps?

I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do 
some kind of passive pump.

We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this is just 
to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house side 
from freezing up so hard.

This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years...



On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Heat Pipe.  It would work a little.  Finned tubes from a radiator.  Full 
> of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed.  The solarium would 
> boil the water and it would flow to the cold area.  But the cold area of 
> the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will have to 
> have a wick in it.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
> 
> Hi folks,
> I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom
> window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any magic tricks
> up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without
> using power?   The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium
> and 55 in the house.
> 
> Best,
> Robert
> 

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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[Brian Webster]

Search Amazon or Google for a Sterling engine fan or heat powered fan. The
startup temp required might not be low enough for your purpose however.

Thank you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 1:42 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even build 
something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps?

I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do 
some kind of passive pump.

We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this is just 
to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house side 
from freezing up so hard.

This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years...



On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Heat Pipe.  It would work a little.  Finned tubes from a radiator.  Full 
> of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed.  The solarium would 
> boil the water and it would flow to the cold area.  But the cold area of 
> the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will have to 
> have a wick in it.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.
> 
> Hi folks,
> I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom
> window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any magic tricks
> up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without
> using power?   The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium
> and 55 in the house.
> 
> Best,
> Robert
> 

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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[chuck]

I made a lot of heat pipes when I was working on high bay LEDs.  Turns out 
water is the best.  You can use methanol, ethanol or some of the freons but 
you will not move more heat.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 11:41 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even build
something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps?

I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do
some kind of passive pump.

We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this is just
to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house side
from freezing up so hard.

This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years...



On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Heat Pipe.  It would work a little.  Finned tubes from a radiator.  Full 
of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed.  The solarium would 
boil the water and it would flow to the cold area.  But the cold area of 
the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will have to have 
a wick in it.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

Hi folks,
I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom
window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any magic tricks
up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without
using power?   The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium
and 55 in the house.

Best,
Robert



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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[Robert Andrews]

Cool, ( or heat ) That has me thinking the right way, could even build 
something using one of the R refrigerants that boil much lower temps?


I have solar there but don't want to waste power on that if I can do 
some kind of passive pump.


We eventually will have about 7K watts more solar there but this is just 
to take advantage of the situation this winter to keep the house side 
from freezing up so hard.


This place has basically been abandoned for 10 years...



On 11/04/2020 10:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Heat Pipe.  It would work a little.  Finned tubes from a radiator.  Full 
of water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed.  The solarium would 
boil the water and it would flow to the cold area.  But the cold area of 
the tube will have to be higher than the warm end or you will have to 
have a wick in it.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

Hi folks,
I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom
window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any magic tricks
up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without
using power?   The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium
and 55 in the house.

Best,
Robert



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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[chuck]

Heat Pipe.  It would work a little.  Finned tubes from a radiator.  Full of 
water and then drawn down to a vacuum and sealed.  The solarium would boil 
the water and it would flow to the cold area.  But the cold area of the tube 
will have to be higher than the warm end or you will have to have a wick in 
it.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

Hi folks,
I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom
window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any magic tricks
up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without
using power?   The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium
and 55 in the house.

Best,
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Re: [AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[Colin Stanners]

If you're willing to do wiring, a solar panel, charge controller and
battery kit will give you reliable power (as long as specced out for the
load) and a 12/24V thermostat and fan will get that air moving.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 11:54 AM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Hi folks,
> I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a
> bathroom
> window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any magic tricks
> up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without
> using power?   The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium
> and 55 in the house.
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
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[AFMUG] Moving heat without power.

[Robert Andrews]

Hi folks,
	I have a solarium attached to an unheated house and there is a bathroom 
window about 3x3' between them open.   Does anyone have any magic tricks 
up their sleeves to move the warm solarium heat into the house without 
using power?   The temp difference the other day was 106 in the solarium 
and 55 in the house.


Best,
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Re: [AFMUG] aftermarket GPON sfp

[Carl Peterson]

Yes.
Approved Optics and a few others I could look up if needed. - Not actually
approved but the optics are good.  I just got a quote from a new vendor at
half the AO price.


On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 9:35 AM Dev  wrote:

> Ubnt GPON SFP for the OLT is around $100, but other vendors are 6-7x that
> amount. I doubt that means they contain 6-7x the magic pixie dust. Are
> there third parties that can sell vendor-specific keyed GPON SFP’s like FS
> does for Cisco/Juniper/whatever for standard SFP’s?
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[AFMUG] aftermarket GPON sfp

[Dev]

Ubnt GPON SFP for the OLT is around $100, but other vendors are 6-7x that 
amount. I doubt that means they contain 6-7x the magic pixie dust. Are there 
third parties that can sell vendor-specific keyed GPON SFP’s like FS does for 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

[Gino A. Villarini]

Its non-bidding … so we continue to be a colony…

From: AF 
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 9:59 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

My understanding is that it is non-binding. I personally think it might be good 
for them, but I believe that it would require a vote of congress.



bp


On 11/4/2020 5:55 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Does this mean you will become a state?
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On Nov 4, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
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Statehood won with about 55% on yesterday event…


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From: AF 
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 12:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election
prettyhyped that west side story is on netflix. I literally cut through our 
vinyl west side story, and spun out the betamax on it.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 10:05 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
They've had referendums go either direction.

Here's everything I know about Puerto Rico:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPlcE3GcoFc

Bernardo: "I think I go back to San Juan."

Anita: "I know a boat you can get on."

Bernardo: "When I get back there will be big cheer."

Anita:"Everyone there will have moved here."



>
> also, does PR even want to be a state? I never knew for sure. I think
> they should be if they want, but why would you want to gain the
> responsibility of statehood when you already have the benefit
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Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

[Bill Prince]

There are different grades of stainless steel. Some of the lower grades 
can develop some light rust. Also, if the joints were welded, you don't 
know what material was used for the weld.


I would at least cover the rusting parts with zinc chromate.

bp


On 11/4/2020 6:43 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I have never heard of a stainless steel tower, must have been custom 
fabricated?  Also never heard of stainless steel rusting.  Are the cross 
members and climbing pegs not stainless?

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Subject: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

We have a stainless steel tower that’s probably about 30 years old. Good shape. 
But I noticed some minor rust developing on the surface of some cross members 
and a few climbing pegs.

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Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

[Ken Hohhof]

I have never heard of a stainless steel tower, must have been custom 
fabricated?  Also never heard of stainless steel rusting.  Are the cross 
members and climbing pegs not stainless?

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Subject: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

We have a stainless steel tower that’s probably about 30 years old. Good shape. 
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and a few climbing pegs. 

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[AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

[Matt Hoppes]

We have a stainless steel tower that’s probably about 30 years old. Good shape. 
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Re: [AFMUG] space junk

[Caleb Knauer]

Dad loves that show.  We'd watch it on PBS every weekend.  I didn't
get why it was any good until I got older.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 9:33 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
>
> i miss that show
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 8:23 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Have to pronounce onion like Justin Wilson, the Cookin’ Cajun.  I gar-on-tee.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 5:32 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] space junk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thinking about grillions now. We BBQ's burgers last night, and I sliced some 
>> onion to char on the side. So is a BBQ-charred onion called a grillion?
>>
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>> bp
>>
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 3:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-space-junk-cleanup
>>
>>
>>
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Zach Underwood
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 5:01 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] space junk
>>
>>
>>
>> Here are some of the variables that will affect deorbit Altitude, mass, 
>> speed and surface area. At the lower orbit aka 500km where starlink is there 
>> is still some atmosphere so they are are getting air resistance and are 
>> slowing down. As they slow down they get more air resistance until they 
>> fully deorbit. If I remember right the starlink satellites need boosting 
>> nearly  constantly or they will deorbit and will deorbit in less than 5 
>> years without the active management. It has been also said the satellites 
>> have been designed so completely break up during the orbit so that nothing 
>> reaches the ground.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020, 5:41 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>> I think it's about how much delta v required to de-orbit vs. park.   For LEO 
>> sats the DV is smaller to deorbit vs. park.  For sync sats, it's just about 
>> getting it above the very valuable sync orbit.  So a small increase in orbit 
>> is not much fuel.   For lower than sync, it's a lot of unused space and a 
>> long way down to deorbit so they usually stay where they are.
>>
>> On 11/3/20 2:33 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> I think the best practice right now is to save enough propellant to boost 
>> your old satellite into a parking orbit.  The idea is we spent a grillion 
>> dollars putting it up there, and someday we might harvest old satellites for 
>> material rather than launching new stuff for a grillion more.  You'd have to 
>> burn propellant to de-orbit too, so if you're going to keep extra gas on the 
>> ship then you might as well use it to park instead.
>>
>> If Elon Musk wants to waste his own grillions by letting them burn up in the 
>> atmosphere, then he can do that.
>>
>> On 11/3/2020 4:28 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> is there any accountability for debris left in space? like littering 
>> tickets? why hasnt somebody like elon musk made a space roomba that just 
>> goes and pings each item out of orbit back into the atmosphere since we know 
>> where it all is
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 3:04 PM Brian Webster  
>> wrote:
>>
>> When you zoom in on the map the objects move in real time.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 1:47 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] space junk
>>
>> What about the moon Nazis?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 12:21 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] space junk
>>
>> I have this vague recollection that we currently can't even track all the
>> space junk. There was some lower limit, in the order of inches(?), below
>> which there isn't enough of a radar(?) return.
>>
>> All I want to know, how long until Kessler syndrome? :)
>>
>>
>> Jared
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "Cameron Crum" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] space junk
>>
>> Just because I know a bunch of you guys are interested in space stuff. Check
>> out this really cool site that shows every object in orbit around our
>> planet.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

[Bill Prince]

  
  
My understanding is that it is non-binding. I personally think it
  might be good for them, but I believe that it would require a vote
  of congress.


bp

On 11/4/2020 5:55 AM, Chuck McCown
  wrote:


  
  Does this mean you will become a state?
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
On Nov 4, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Gino A.
  Villarini  wrote:
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
Statehood won with about 55% on
  yesterday event… 
 

Gino Villarini

  Founder/President
  @gvillarini
  t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 

  

  


 
 
 
 
 


  

  
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  From:
  AF
  
  Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 12:50 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political:
  The Election


  prettyhyped that west side story is
on netflix. I literally cut through our vinyl west side
story, and spun out the betamax on it.

 

  
On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 10:05 PM
  Adam Moffett 
  wrote:
  
  
They've had referendums go either
  direction.
  
  Here's everything I know about Puerto Rico: 
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPlcE3GcoFc
  
  Bernardo: "I think I go back to San Juan."
  
  Anita: "I know a boat you can get on."
  
  Bernardo: "When I get back there will be big cheer."
  
  Anita:"Everyone there will have moved here."
  
  
  
  >
  > also, does PR even want to be a state? I never
  knew for sure. I think 
  > they should be if they want, but why would you
  want to gain the 
  > responsibility of statehood when you already have
  the benefit
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

[Chuck McCown]

Does this mean you will become a state?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> 
> Statehood won with about 55% on yesterday event…
>  
> Gino Villarini 
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
>   
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
> 
> From: AF 
> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 12:50 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election
> 
> prettyhyped that west side story is on netflix. I literally cut through our 
> vinyl west side story, and spun out the betamax on it.
>  
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 10:05 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
> They've had referendums go either direction.
> 
> Here's everything I know about Puerto Rico: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPlcE3GcoFc
> 
> Bernardo: "I think I go back to San Juan."
> 
> Anita: "I know a boat you can get on."
> 
> Bernardo: "When I get back there will be big cheer."
> 
> Anita:"Everyone there will have moved here."
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > also, does PR even want to be a state? I never knew for sure. I think 
> > they should be if they want, but why would you want to gain the 
> > responsibility of statehood when you already have the benefit
> >
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

[Carl Peterson]

Good to see that statehood won but we're going to be short a few Senators
to make that happen over here on the mainland, at least it is looking that
way.  GA is going to have some of the most expensive Senate runoff races
ever.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 3:50 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> As a colony, We don’t have the benefit of statehood…
>
>
>
> *Gino*
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> *From: *AF 
> *Date: *Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 8:32 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election
>
> /lent
>
>
>
> So, our industry is coming off the free mad cash (((those guys))) push
> with four years of  (((these guys))) free for all. Either way this goes
> theres a reckoning coming over the next 4 years.
>
>
>
> And ol elon is out there terrifying WISPS (BTW, boss is seriously in the
> market if anybody wants to cash out) that the skynet is going to take over.
>
>
>
> No matter how this next couple weeks go, the landscape is going to change
> for businesses.
>
>
>
> I anticipate either way another massive influx of COVID cash for internets
> in the next 6 months to make sure we are ready for a remote nation upon the
> next disaster. I also think the "broadband" definition is going to scale
> back now that so much of the nation had to operate the critical components
> of society without unlimited bandwidth.
>
>
>
> A multitude of operators are going to go bankrupt because of the covid
> related hardships, real or imagined, so some smaller players are going to
> get bigger, some bigger players are going to absorb, and some new players
> will hit the market.
>
>
>
> also, does PR even want to be a state? I never knew for sure. I think they
> should be if they want, but why would you want to gain the responsibility
> of statehood when you already have the benefit
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

[Gino A. Villarini]

As a colony, We don’t have the benefit of statehood…


Gino Villarini
Founder/President
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From: AF 
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 8:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election
/lent

So, our industry is coming off the free mad cash (((those guys))) push with 
four years of  (((these guys))) free for all. Either way this goes theres a 
reckoning coming over the next 4 years.

And ol elon is out there terrifying WISPS (BTW, boss is seriously in the market 
if anybody wants to cash out) that the skynet is going to take over.

No matter how this next couple weeks go, the landscape is going to change for 
businesses.

I anticipate either way another massive influx of COVID cash for internets in 
the next 6 months to make sure we are ready for a remote nation upon the next 
disaster. I also think the "broadband" definition is going to scale back now 
that so much of the nation had to operate the critical components of society 
without unlimited bandwidth.

A multitude of operators are going to go bankrupt because of the covid related 
hardships, real or imagined, so some smaller players are going to get bigger, 
some bigger players are going to absorb, and some new players will hit the 
market.

also, does PR even want to be a state? I never knew for sure. I think they 
should be if they want, but why would you want to gain the responsibility of 
statehood when you already have the benefit





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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

[Gino A. Villarini]

Statehood won with about 55% on yesterday event…


Gino Villarini
Founder/President
@gvillarini
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From: AF 
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 12:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election
prettyhyped that west side story is on netflix. I literally cut through our 
vinyl west side story, and spun out the betamax on it.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 10:05 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
They've had referendums go either direction.

Here's everything I know about Puerto Rico:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPlcE3GcoFc

Bernardo: "I think I go back to San Juan."

Anita: "I know a boat you can get on."

Bernardo: "When I get back there will be big cheer."

Anita:"Everyone there will have moved here."



>
> also, does PR even want to be a state? I never knew for sure. I think
> they should be if they want, but why would you want to gain the
> responsibility of statehood when you already have the benefit
>



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