Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

2020-11-05 Thread Ken Hohhof 
That was the “LENS”.  The “CLIP” was their second generation.  Kind of like a 
Stinger, but didn’t couple to the patch and re-radiate, more of a clip-on horn. 
 And it worked with dual polarization.  I actually liked it, unlike the 450b 
mid-gain, it narrowed both the vertical and horizontal beamwidth.  It didn’t 
make a good door stop like a LENS though.  Or a projectile in the event of a 
riot.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 7:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

Were those the stinger like thing?   If so, they were a dielectric lens 
antenna,  cannot imagine a coating helping.

Sent from my iPhone





On Nov 5, 2020, at 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Any idea what Cambium sprayed inside their CLIPs?  I think it was a bronze or 
purple color.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 5:36 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

All the original stingers used arc sprayed zinc on the reflector.  Same stuff 
as hot dipped galvanized.  Same stuff as welding or grinding on galvanized 
steel pipe.  

 

We vaporized it.  I inhaled tons of it over the years.  It doesn’t hurt you but 
if you get too much you will have a sleepless night.  You get what is called 
zinc fever and it is very unpleasant.  But you have to inhale a bunch of it to 
get it.  

 

Casual grinding or welding will not do it as long as the fumes are being blown 
away.  But it is not toxic like it will kill you or cause permanent damage.  It 
actually seems to protect you from catching colds.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 4:27 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

Just drink some milk, you’ll be fine.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-welders-drink-milk

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 3:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

Wear breathing protection when doing any work on galvanized stuff...

 

 

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020, 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

The bottom line is, if it’s a Rohn tower, it’s almost certainly galvanized not 
stainless.

 

If there’s some rust on the cross members and step bolts, it’s probably that 
people stepping on them wore through the galvanizing?  You could remove the 
rust with a steel brush and spray with cold galvanizing, but if it’s where 
people step, that’s not going to last.  Question maybe is whether it’s cosmetic 
or structural.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

Brown rust.  You can cause it with muriatic acid, but when I have tried to do 
it in the past, my outcome was not uniform.  Maybe it would have been OK with 
some weathering but it was not aesthetically pleasing initially.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 9:20 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

There is also COR-TEN steel, which develops a special protective layer of rust.

https://www.corten.com/what-is-corten-steel.html

bp


On 11/5/2020 8:04 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

There are multiple kinds of rust.  Some power transmission line towers are 
rusty on purpose.  

 

Red RustHydrated oxide Fe2O3•H2O

Yellow Rust Iron oxide-hydroxide FeO(OH)H2O

Brown Rust  Oxide Fe2O3 (high oxygen/low moisture)

Black Rust  Iron (II)oxide – Fe3O4 (limited oxygen)

 

I think I have the order right.  Red rust can eat clear through the metal.  It 
produces deep flakes of cancer in the thickest of steel.  If you can get the 
rust to progress through to brow rust it is a permanent coating that will not 
continue to deteriorate.  Not sure how you make that happen.  If you take a 
stroll along the pedestrian walkway of the Golden Gate bridge, you will see 
1/2” thick parts of the handrail that have flaked completely through.  And that 
is with regular scaling and painting.  

 

You can go look at an old piece of farm machinery in a field and the steel is 
really good looking.  Dark brown and black rust.  

 

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 6:51 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

Surface rust is of absolutely no consequence. I have black iron towers that 
were constructed 40 years ago that have substantial surface rust. While not 
pretty, it is structurally insignificant. If it looks more like discoloring 
than rust, which

Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

2020-11-05 Thread Chuck McCown 
Were those the stinger like thing?   If so, they were a dielectric lens 
antenna,  cannot imagine a coating helping.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 5, 2020, at 4:55 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Any idea what Cambium sprayed inside their CLIPs?  I think it was a bronze or 
> purple color.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 5:36 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
>  
> All the original stingers used arc sprayed zinc on the reflector.  Same stuff 
> as hot dipped galvanized.  Same stuff as welding or grinding on galvanized 
> steel pipe. 
>  
> We vaporized it.  I inhaled tons of it over the years.  It doesn’t hurt you 
> but if you get too much you will have a sleepless night.  You get what is 
> called zinc fever and it is very unpleasant.  But you have to inhale a bunch 
> of it to get it. 
>  
> Casual grinding or welding will not do it as long as the fumes are being 
> blown away.  But it is not toxic like it will kill you or cause permanent 
> damage.  It actually seems to protect you from catching colds. 
>  
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 4:27 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
>  
> Just drink some milk, you’ll be fine.
> https://www.quora.com/Why-do-welders-drink-milk
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 3:31 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
>  
> Wear breathing protection when doing any work on galvanized stuff...
>  
>  
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020, 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> The bottom line is, if it’s a Rohn tower, it’s almost certainly galvanized 
> not stainless.
>  
> If there’s some rust on the cross members and step bolts, it’s probably that 
> people stepping on them wore through the galvanizing?  You could remove the 
> rust with a steel brush and spray with cold galvanizing, but if it’s where 
> people step, that’s not going to last.  Question maybe is whether it’s 
> cosmetic or structural.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:28 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
>  
> Brown rust.  You can cause it with muriatic acid, but when I have tried to do 
> it in the past, my outcome was not uniform.  Maybe it would have been OK with 
> some weathering but it was not aesthetically pleasing initially. 
>  
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 9:20 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
>  
> There is also COR-TEN steel, which develops a special protective layer of 
> rust.
> 
> https://www.corten.com/what-is-corten-steel.html
> 
> bp
> 
> On 11/5/2020 8:04 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> There are multiple kinds of rust.  Some power transmission line towers are 
> rusty on purpose. 
>  
> Red RustHydrated oxide Fe2O3•H2O
> Yellow Rust Iron oxide-hydroxide FeO(OH)H2O
> Brown Rust  Oxide Fe2O3 (high oxygen/low moisture)
> Black Rust  Iron (II)oxide – Fe3O4 (limited oxygen)
>  
> I think I have the order right.  Red rust can eat clear through the metal.  
> It produces deep flakes of cancer in the thickest of steel.  If you can get 
> the rust to progress through to brow rust it is a permanent coating that will 
> not continue to deteriorate.  Not sure how you make that happen.  If you take 
> a stroll along the pedestrian walkway of the Golden Gate bridge, you will see 
> 1/2” thick parts of the handrail that have flaked completely through.  And 
> that is with regular scaling and painting. 
>  
> You can go look at an old piece of farm machinery in a field and the steel is 
> really good looking.  Dark brown and black rust. 
>  
>  
> From: Lewis Bergman
> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 6:51 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
>  
> Surface rust is of absolutely no consequence. I have black iron towers that 
> were constructed 40 years ago that have substantial surface rust. While not 
> pretty, it is structurally insignificant. If it looks more like discoloring 
> than rust, which if the galv is good is what it usually looks like, I would 
> do nothing. Anything you do to fix it will likely speed the rusting process 
> up. For instance, you could use naval jelly, which would remove all the rust. 
> If it is galv and not SS, the acid will eat more of the galv coating off and 
> it will rust faster from then on unless you paint it. Then you are stuck 
> painting a galv tower which is a PITA, expensive, and will eventually look 
> even worse. Paint, even when applied correctly with the correct prep, just 
> doesn't adhere to galv well.
>  
> Sleep tight, don't worry, take the do nothing decision tree.
>  
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:31 AM Matt Hoppes 
> mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net wrote:
>  
> Could it be a zinc galvanized

Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

2020-11-05 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Any idea what Cambium sprayed inside their CLIPs?  I think it was a bronze or 
purple color.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 5:36 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

All the original stingers used arc sprayed zinc on the reflector.  Same stuff 
as hot dipped galvanized.  Same stuff as welding or grinding on galvanized 
steel pipe.  

 

We vaporized it.  I inhaled tons of it over the years.  It doesn’t hurt you but 
if you get too much you will have a sleepless night.  You get what is called 
zinc fever and it is very unpleasant.  But you have to inhale a bunch of it to 
get it.  

 

Casual grinding or welding will not do it as long as the fumes are being blown 
away.  But it is not toxic like it will kill you or cause permanent damage.  It 
actually seems to protect you from catching colds.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 4:27 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

Just drink some milk, you’ll be fine.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-welders-drink-milk

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 3:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

Wear breathing protection when doing any work on galvanized stuff...

 

 

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020, 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

The bottom line is, if it’s a Rohn tower, it’s almost certainly galvanized not 
stainless.

 

If there’s some rust on the cross members and step bolts, it’s probably that 
people stepping on them wore through the galvanizing?  You could remove the 
rust with a steel brush and spray with cold galvanizing, but if it’s where 
people step, that’s not going to last.  Question maybe is whether it’s cosmetic 
or structural.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

Brown rust.  You can cause it with muriatic acid, but when I have tried to do 
it in the past, my outcome was not uniform.  Maybe it would have been OK with 
some weathering but it was not aesthetically pleasing initially.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 9:20 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

There is also COR-TEN steel, which develops a special protective layer of rust.

https://www.corten.com/what-is-corten-steel.html

bp


On 11/5/2020 8:04 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

There are multiple kinds of rust.  Some power transmission line towers are 
rusty on purpose.  

 

Red RustHydrated oxide Fe2O3•H2O

Yellow Rust Iron oxide-hydroxide FeO(OH)H2O

Brown Rust  Oxide Fe2O3 (high oxygen/low moisture)

Black Rust  Iron (II)oxide – Fe3O4 (limited oxygen)

 

I think I have the order right.  Red rust can eat clear through the metal.  It 
produces deep flakes of cancer in the thickest of steel.  If you can get the 
rust to progress through to brow rust it is a permanent coating that will not 
continue to deteriorate.  Not sure how you make that happen.  If you take a 
stroll along the pedestrian walkway of the Golden Gate bridge, you will see 
1/2” thick parts of the handrail that have flaked completely through.  And that 
is with regular scaling and painting.  

 

You can go look at an old piece of farm machinery in a field and the steel is 
really good looking.  Dark brown and black rust.  

 

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 6:51 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

Surface rust is of absolutely no consequence. I have black iron towers that 
were constructed 40 years ago that have substantial surface rust. While not 
pretty, it is structurally insignificant. If it looks more like discoloring 
than rust, which if the galv is good is what it usually looks like, I would do 
nothing. Anything you do to fix it will likely speed the rusting process up. 
For instance, you could use naval jelly, which would remove all the rust. If it 
is galv and not SS, the acid will eat more of the galv coating off and it will 
rust faster from then on unless you paint it. Then you are stuck painting a 
galv tower which is a PITA, expensive, and will eventually look even worse. 
Paint, even when applied correctly with the correct prep, just doesn't adhere 
to galv well. 

 

Sleep tight, don't worry, take the do nothing decision tree.

 

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:31 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net wrote:

 

Could it be a zinc galvanized steel instead of stainless?  I assumed stainless 
due to the very limited rust. 

 

On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Matt Hoppes

Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

2020-11-05 Thread chuck 
All the original stingers used arc sprayed zinc on the reflector.  Same stuff 
as hot dipped galvanized.  Same stuff as welding or grinding on galvanized 
steel pipe.  

We vaporized it.  I inhaled tons of it over the years.  It doesn’t hurt you but 
if you get too much you will have a sleepless night.  You get what is called 
zinc fever and it is very unpleasant.  But you have to inhale a bunch of it to 
get it.  

Casual grinding or welding will not do it as long as the fumes are being blown 
away.  But it is not toxic like it will kill you or cause permanent damage.  It 
actually seems to protect you from catching colds.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 4:27 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

Just drink some milk, you’ll be fine.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-welders-drink-milk

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 3:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

Wear breathing protection when doing any work on galvanized stuff...

 

 

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020, 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  The bottom line is, if it’s a Rohn tower, it’s almost certainly galvanized 
not stainless.

   

  If there’s some rust on the cross members and step bolts, it’s probably that 
people stepping on them wore through the galvanizing?  You could remove the 
rust with a steel brush and spray with cold galvanizing, but if it’s where 
people step, that’s not going to last.  Question maybe is whether it’s cosmetic 
or structural.

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:28 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

   

  Brown rust.  You can cause it with muriatic acid, but when I have tried to do 
it in the past, my outcome was not uniform.  Maybe it would have been OK with 
some weathering but it was not aesthetically pleasing initially.  

   

  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 9:20 AM

  To: af@af.afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

   

  There is also COR-TEN steel, which develops a special protective layer of 
rust.

  https://www.corten.com/what-is-corten-steel.html

bpOn 11/5/2020 8:04 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

There are multiple kinds of rust.  Some power transmission line towers are 
rusty on purpose.  

 

Red RustHydrated oxide Fe2O3•H2O

Yellow Rust Iron oxide-hydroxide FeO(OH)H2O

Brown Rust  Oxide Fe2O3 (high oxygen/low moisture)

Black Rust  Iron (II)oxide – Fe3O4 (limited oxygen)

 

I think I have the order right.  Red rust can eat clear through the metal.  
It produces deep flakes of cancer in the thickest of steel.  If you can get the 
rust to progress through to brow rust it is a permanent coating that will not 
continue to deteriorate.  Not sure how you make that happen.  If you take a 
stroll along the pedestrian walkway of the Golden Gate bridge, you will see 
1/2” thick parts of the handrail that have flaked completely through.  And that 
is with regular scaling and painting.  

 

You can go look at an old piece of farm machinery in a field and the steel 
is really good looking.  Dark brown and black rust.  

 

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 6:51 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

Surface rust is of absolutely no consequence. I have black iron towers that 
were constructed 40 years ago that have substantial surface rust. While not 
pretty, it is structurally insignificant. If it looks more like discoloring 
than rust, which if the galv is good is what it usually looks like, I would do 
nothing. Anything you do to fix it will likely speed the rusting process up. 
For instance, you could use naval jelly, which would remove all the rust. If it 
is galv and not SS, the acid will eat more of the galv coating off and it will 
rust faster from then on unless you paint it. Then you are stuck painting a 
galv tower which is a PITA, expensive, and will eventually look even worse. 
Paint, even when applied correctly with the correct prep, just doesn't adhere 
to galv well. 

 

Sleep tight, don't worry, take the do nothing decision tree.

 

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:31 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net wrote:

 

Could it be a zinc galvanized steel instead of stainless?  I assumed 
stainless due to the very limited rust. 

 

On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net wrote:

 

 

 

 

Ok. So then maybe it’s not an issue. It does just appear to be surface. 

 

On Nov 4, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Apparently regular steel and stainless steel both “rust”.  But stainless 
forms

Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

2020-11-05 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Just drink some milk, you’ll be fine.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-welders-drink-milk

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 3:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

Wear breathing protection when doing any work on galvanized stuff...

 

 

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020, 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

The bottom line is, if it’s a Rohn tower, it’s almost certainly galvanized not 
stainless.

 

If there’s some rust on the cross members and step bolts, it’s probably that 
people stepping on them wore through the galvanizing?  You could remove the 
rust with a steel brush and spray with cold galvanizing, but if it’s where 
people step, that’s not going to last.  Question maybe is whether it’s cosmetic 
or structural.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

Brown rust.  You can cause it with muriatic acid, but when I have tried to do 
it in the past, my outcome was not uniform.  Maybe it would have been OK with 
some weathering but it was not aesthetically pleasing initially.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 9:20 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

There is also COR-TEN steel, which develops a special protective layer of rust.

https://www.corten.com/what-is-corten-steel.html

bp


On 11/5/2020 8:04 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

There are multiple kinds of rust.  Some power transmission line towers are 
rusty on purpose.  

 

Red RustHydrated oxide Fe2O3•H2O

Yellow Rust Iron oxide-hydroxide FeO(OH)H2O

Brown Rust  Oxide Fe2O3 (high oxygen/low moisture)

Black Rust  Iron (II)oxide – Fe3O4 (limited oxygen)

 

I think I have the order right.  Red rust can eat clear through the metal.  It 
produces deep flakes of cancer in the thickest of steel.  If you can get the 
rust to progress through to brow rust it is a permanent coating that will not 
continue to deteriorate.  Not sure how you make that happen.  If you take a 
stroll along the pedestrian walkway of the Golden Gate bridge, you will see 
1/2” thick parts of the handrail that have flaked completely through.  And that 
is with regular scaling and painting.  

 

You can go look at an old piece of farm machinery in a field and the steel is 
really good looking.  Dark brown and black rust.  

 

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 6:51 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

Surface rust is of absolutely no consequence. I have black iron towers that 
were constructed 40 years ago that have substantial surface rust. While not 
pretty, it is structurally insignificant. If it looks more like discoloring 
than rust, which if the galv is good is what it usually looks like, I would do 
nothing. Anything you do to fix it will likely speed the rusting process up. 
For instance, you could use naval jelly, which would remove all the rust. If it 
is galv and not SS, the acid will eat more of the galv coating off and it will 
rust faster from then on unless you paint it. Then you are stuck painting a 
galv tower which is a PITA, expensive, and will eventually look even worse. 
Paint, even when applied correctly with the correct prep, just doesn't adhere 
to galv well. 

 

Sleep tight, don't worry, take the do nothing decision tree.

 

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:31 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net wrote:

 

Could it be a zinc galvanized steel instead of stainless?  I assumed stainless 
due to the very limited rust. 

 

On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net wrote:

 

 

 

 

Ok. So then maybe it’s not an issue. It does just appear to be surface. 

 

On Nov 4, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Apparently regular steel and stainless steel both “rust”.  But stainless forms 
a thin stable protective layer of chromium oxide, while regular steel turns to 
unstable iron oxide which just grows and grows.

 

 

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-doesnt-stainless-stee/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
 

Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:22 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Certainly not stronger and twice the expense.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

 

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 8:07 PM

 

 

 

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

 

 

 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would assume this wasn't a slip of the tongue.

Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

2020-11-05 Thread Jaime Solorza 
Wear breathing protection when doing any work on galvanized stuff...


On Thu, Nov 5, 2020, 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> The bottom line is, if it’s a Rohn tower, it’s almost certainly galvanized
> not stainless.
>
>
>
> If there’s some rust on the cross members and step bolts, it’s probably
> that people stepping on them wore through the galvanizing?  You could
> remove the rust with a steel brush and spray with cold galvanizing, but if
> it’s where people step, that’s not going to last.  Question maybe is
> whether it’s cosmetic or structural.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:28 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
>
>
>
> Brown rust.  You can cause it with muriatic acid, but when I have tried to
> do it in the past, my outcome was not uniform.  Maybe it would have been OK
> with some weathering but it was not aesthetically pleasing initially.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 5, 2020 9:20 AM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
>
>
>
> There is also COR-TEN steel, which develops a special protective layer of
> rust.
>
> https://www.corten.com/what-is-corten-steel.html
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 11/5/2020 8:04 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> There are multiple kinds of rust.  Some power transmission line towers are
> rusty on purpose.
>
>
>
> Red RustHydrated oxide Fe2O3•H2O
>
> Yellow Rust Iron oxide-hydroxide FeO(OH)H2O
>
> Brown Rust  Oxide Fe2O3 (high oxygen/low moisture)
>
> Black Rust  Iron (II)oxide – Fe3O4 (limited oxygen)
>
>
>
> I think I have the order right.  Red rust can eat clear through the
> metal.  It produces deep flakes of cancer in the thickest of steel.  If you
> can get the rust to progress through to brow rust it is a permanent coating
> that will not continue to deteriorate.  Not sure how you make that happen.
> If you take a stroll along the pedestrian walkway of the Golden Gate
> bridge, you will see 1/2” thick parts of the handrail that have flaked
> completely through.  And that is with regular scaling and painting.
>
>
>
> You can go look at an old piece of farm machinery in a field and the steel
> is really good looking.  Dark brown and black rust.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Lewis Bergman
>
> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 6:51 AM
>
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
>
>
>
> Surface rust is of absolutely no consequence. I have black iron towers
> that were constructed 40 years ago that have substantial surface rust.
> While not pretty, it is structurally insignificant. If it looks more like
> discoloring than rust, which if the galv is good is what it usually looks
> like, I would do nothing. Anything you do to fix it will likely speed the
> rusting process up. For instance, you could use naval jelly, which would
> remove all the rust. If it is galv and not SS, the acid will eat more of
> the galv coating off and it will rust faster from then on unless you paint
> it. Then you are stuck painting a galv tower which is a PITA, expensive,
> and will eventually look even worse. Paint, even when applied correctly
> with the correct prep, just doesn't adhere to galv well.
>
>
>
> Sleep tight, don't worry, take the do nothing decision tree.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:31 AM Matt Hoppes
> mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>  wrote:
>
>
>
> Could it be a zinc galvanized steel instead of stainless?  I assumed
> stainless due to the very limited rust.
>
>
>
> On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Matt Hoppes
> mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Ok. So then maybe it’s not an issue. It does just appear to be surface.
>
>
>
> On Nov 4, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Apparently regular steel and stainless steel both “rust”.  But stainless
> forms a thin stable protective layer of chromium oxide, while regular steel
> turns to unstable iron oxide which just grows and grows.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-doesnt-stainless-stee/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  On
> Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:22 PM
>
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> 
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Certainly not stronger and twice the expense.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Lewis Bergman
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 8:07 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I would assume this wasn't a slip of the tongue. Just surprised that
> anyone would build a tower out of stainless steel. Chuck would likely know
> but I am pretty sure stainless is softer than regular steel.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed,

Re: [AFMUG] big COD download Nov. 13

2020-11-05 Thread Christopher Tyler 
There are a LOT of games coming out in November as well as the new consoles. 
Expect to see a lot of gaming-related traffic soon.


Christopher Tyler
Senior Network Engineer
Total Highspeed Internet Solutions
+1 417-851-1107 ext 9001
ch...@totalhighspeed.net


From: AF  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:47 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: [AFMUG] big COD download Nov. 13

https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/4/21549814/call-of-duty-cod-black-ops-cold-war-file-size-ps5-xbox-series-x


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

2020-11-05 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
The two party system makes it worse. Back in the 50s the powers
  that be felt there was not enough distinction between the two
  parties, and many arguments and issues have since been defined to
  drive a wedge between extreme views.
Something that we've instituted in California is the "top two"
  primary system that allows the top two vote getters in a primary
  to go on to the general election. The idea was to try to move
  primary candidates to less extreme positions. It's actually worked
  somewhat, but I would have been happier with a top three system.
Right now Puerto Rico is between a rock and a hard place. They
  really got the shaft after Maria. 

bp

On 11/5/2020 5:56 AM, Lewis Bergman
  wrote:


  
  Probably one of those grass is greener deals. We
have the vote and look at what a mess we have made of it. I live
in Texas as you know. If you are in Texas and lean Libretarian
or Democrat you only have a say in local elections, not in
statewide elections or for the most part even house seats. The
same but opposite in the left leaning states. Your vote only
really counts in the purple states.
Of course Libertarians are screwed no matter where they
  live since we all are stuck in the two party system. I wish
  ranked non party primary voting would be instituted but
  because the two parties that would likely be hurt the most
  would have to implement it that won't happen.
  
  
  
On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 2:29 AM
  Gino A. Villarini  wrote:


  

  Its enticing… but at the end of the
day.. we don’t have any say on what happens here…
imagine your state not having ant representation on
Congress…
  
   
  
From:
AF

Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 7:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political:
The Election
  
  

  
I dunno, if I
was going to start a new business that was
conducive to being in PR and it was going to
make a lot of money, they don’t have federal
income tax. 
  
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From:
  SmarterBroadband



  Sent:
  Wednesday, November 4, 2020 4:38 PM


  To:
  'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'



  Subject: Re:
  [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The
  Election

  


   

  
  
You
should be a State.
 

  
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020
7:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite
Political: The Election
  

 
Its
non-bidding … so we continue to be a colony…
  
 

  From:
  AF 
  Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at
  9:59 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite
  Political: The Election

My
understanding is that it is non-binding. I
personally think it

[AFMUG] big COD download Nov. 13

2020-11-05 Thread Ken Hohhof 
https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/4/21549814/call-of-duty-cod-black-ops-cold-
war-file-size-ps5-xbox-series-x

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

2020-11-05 Thread Ken Hohhof 
The bottom line is, if it’s a Rohn tower, it’s almost certainly galvanized not 
stainless.

 

If there’s some rust on the cross members and step bolts, it’s probably that 
people stepping on them wore through the galvanizing?  You could remove the 
rust with a steel brush and spray with cold galvanizing, but if it’s where 
people step, that’s not going to last.  Question maybe is whether it’s cosmetic 
or structural.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

Brown rust.  You can cause it with muriatic acid, but when I have tried to do 
it in the past, my outcome was not uniform.  Maybe it would have been OK with 
some weathering but it was not aesthetically pleasing initially.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 9:20 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

There is also COR-TEN steel, which develops a special protective layer of rust.

https://www.corten.com/what-is-corten-steel.html

bp


On 11/5/2020 8:04 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

There are multiple kinds of rust.  Some power transmission line towers are 
rusty on purpose.  

 

Red RustHydrated oxide Fe2O3•H2O

Yellow Rust Iron oxide-hydroxide FeO(OH)H2O

Brown Rust  Oxide Fe2O3 (high oxygen/low moisture)

Black Rust  Iron (II)oxide – Fe3O4 (limited oxygen)

 

I think I have the order right.  Red rust can eat clear through the metal.  It 
produces deep flakes of cancer in the thickest of steel.  If you can get the 
rust to progress through to brow rust it is a permanent coating that will not 
continue to deteriorate.  Not sure how you make that happen.  If you take a 
stroll along the pedestrian walkway of the Golden Gate bridge, you will see 
1/2” thick parts of the handrail that have flaked completely through.  And that 
is with regular scaling and painting.  

 

You can go look at an old piece of farm machinery in a field and the steel is 
really good looking.  Dark brown and black rust.  

 

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 6:51 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

Surface rust is of absolutely no consequence. I have black iron towers that 
were constructed 40 years ago that have substantial surface rust. While not 
pretty, it is structurally insignificant. If it looks more like discoloring 
than rust, which if the galv is good is what it usually looks like, I would do 
nothing. Anything you do to fix it will likely speed the rusting process up. 
For instance, you could use naval jelly, which would remove all the rust. If it 
is galv and not SS, the acid will eat more of the galv coating off and it will 
rust faster from then on unless you paint it. Then you are stuck painting a 
galv tower which is a PITA, expensive, and will eventually look even worse. 
Paint, even when applied correctly with the correct prep, just doesn't adhere 
to galv well. 

 

Sleep tight, don't worry, take the do nothing decision tree.

 

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:31 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net wrote:

 

Could it be a zinc galvanized steel instead of stainless?  I assumed stainless 
due to the very limited rust. 

 

On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net wrote:

 

 

 

 

Ok. So then maybe it’s not an issue. It does just appear to be surface. 

 

On Nov 4, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Apparently regular steel and stainless steel both “rust”.  But stainless forms 
a thin stable protective layer of chromium oxide, while regular steel turns to 
unstable iron oxide which just grows and grows.

 

 

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-doesnt-stainless-stee/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
 

Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:22 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Certainly not stronger and twice the expense.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

 

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 8:07 PM

 

 

 

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

 

 

 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would assume this wasn't a slip of the tongue. Just surprised that anyone 
would build a tower out of stainless steel. Chuck would likely know but I am 
pretty sure stainless is softer than regular steel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 8:24 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net wrote:

 

 

 

We have a stainless steel tower that’s probably about 30 years old. Good shape. 
But I noticed some minor rust developing on the surface of some cross members 
and a few climbing pegs. 

 

What’s the best

Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

2020-11-05 Thread chuck 
Brown rust.  You can cause it with muriatic acid, but when I have tried to do 
it in the past, my outcome was not uniform.  Maybe it would have been OK with 
some weathering but it was not aesthetically pleasing initially.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 9:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

There is also COR-TEN steel, which develops a special protective layer of rust.

https://www.corten.com/what-is-corten-steel.html


bp
On 11/5/2020 8:04 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  There are multiple kinds of rust.  Some power transmission line towers are 
rusty on purpose.  

  Red RustHydrated oxide Fe2O3•H2O
  Yellow Rust Iron oxide-hydroxide FeO(OH)H2O
  Brown Rust  Oxide Fe2O3 (high oxygen/low moisture)
  Black Rust  Iron (II)oxide – Fe3O4 (limited oxygen)

  I think I have the order right.  Red rust can eat clear through the metal.  
It produces deep flakes of cancer in the thickest of steel.  If you can get the 
rust to progress through to brow rust it is a permanent coating that will not 
continue to deteriorate.  Not sure how you make that happen.  If you take a 
stroll along the pedestrian walkway of the Golden Gate bridge, you will see 
1/2” thick parts of the handrail that have flaked completely through.  And that 
is with regular scaling and painting.  

  You can go look at an old piece of farm machinery in a field and the steel is 
really good looking.  Dark brown and black rust.  


  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 6:51 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

  Surface rust is of absolutely no consequence. I have black iron towers that 
were constructed 40 years ago that have substantial surface rust. While not 
pretty, it is structurally insignificant. If it looks more like discoloring 
than rust, which if the galv is good is what it usually looks like, I would do 
nothing. Anything you do to fix it will likely speed the rusting process up. 
For instance, you could use naval jelly, which would remove all the rust. If it 
is galv and not SS, the acid will eat more of the galv coating off and it will 
rust faster from then on unless you paint it. Then you are stuck painting a 
galv tower which is a PITA, expensive, and will eventually look even worse. 
Paint, even when applied correctly with the correct prep, just doesn't adhere 
to galv well. 

  Sleep tight, don't worry, take the do nothing decision tree.

  On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:31 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net wrote:

  Could it be a zinc galvanized steel instead of stainless?  I assumed 
stainless due to the very limited rust. 

  On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net wrote:



   
  Ok. So then maybe it’s not an issue. It does just appear to be surface. 

  On Nov 4, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:



   

  Apparently regular steel and stainless steel both “rust”.  But stainless 
forms a thin stable protective layer of chromium oxide, while regular steel 
turns to unstable iron oxide which just grows and grows.



  https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-doesnt-stainless-stee/







  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:22 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust







  Certainly not stronger and twice the expense.  







  From: Lewis Bergman 



  Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 8:07 PM



  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 



  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust







  I would assume this wasn't a slip of the tongue. Just surprised that anyone 
would build a tower out of stainless steel. Chuck would likely know but I am 
pretty sure stainless is softer than regular steel.







  On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 8:24 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net wrote:



  We have a stainless steel tower that’s probably about 30 years old. Good 
shape. But I noticed some minor rust developing on the surface of some cross 
members and a few climbing pegs. 

  What’s the best way to stop this and protect the tower?
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Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

2020-11-05 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
There is also COR-TEN steel, which develops a special protective
  layer of rust.
https://www.corten.com/what-is-corten-steel.html

bp

On 11/5/2020 8:04 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  There are multiple kinds of rust.  Some power
transmission line towers are rusty on purpose.  
   
  Red Rust    Hydrated oxide Fe2O3•H2O
  Yellow Rust Iron oxide-hydroxide FeO(OH)H2O
  Brown Rust  Oxide Fe2O3 (high oxygen/low moisture)
  Black Rust  Iron (II)oxide – Fe3O4 (limited oxygen)
   
  I think I have the order right.  Red rust can eat clear
through the metal.  It produces deep flakes of cancer in the
thickest of steel.  If you can get the rust to progress
through to brow rust it is a permanent coating that will not
continue to deteriorate.  Not sure how you make that
happen.  If you take a stroll along the pedestrian walkway
of the Golden Gate bridge, you will see 1/2” thick parts of
the handrail that have flaked completely through.  And that
is with regular scaling and painting.  
   
  You can go look at an old piece of farm machinery in a
field and the steel is really good looking.  Dark brown and
black rust.  
   
   
  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 6:51 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
   
  Surface rust is of absolutely no consequence. I have
black iron towers that were constructed 40 years ago that
have substantial surface rust. While not pretty, it is
structurally insignificant. If it looks more like
discoloring than rust, which if the galv is good is what it
usually looks like, I would do nothing. Anything you do to
fix it will likely speed the rusting process up. For
instance, you could use naval jelly, which would remove all
the rust. If it is galv and not SS, the acid will eat more
of the galv coating off and it will rust faster from then on
unless you paint it. Then you are stuck painting a galv
tower which is a PITA, expensive, and will eventually look
even worse. Paint, even when applied correctly with the
correct prep, just doesn't adhere to galv well. 
   
  Sleep tight, don't worry, take the do nothing decision
tree.
   
  On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:31 AM Matt Hoppes
 wrote:
   
  Could it be a zinc galvanized steel instead of
stainless?  I assumed stainless due to the very limited
rust. 
   
  On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Matt Hoppes
 wrote:
   
   
   
   
  Ok. So then maybe it’s not an issue. It does just appear
to be surface. 
   
  On Nov 4, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Ken Hohhof
 wrote:
   
   
   
   
   
  Apparently regular steel and stainless steel both
“rust”.  But stainless forms a thin stable protective layer
of chromium oxide, while regular steel turns to unstable
iron oxide which just grows and grows.
   
   
   
  https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-doesnt-stainless-stee/
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
  From: AF  On Behalf Of
ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:22 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
  Certainly not stronger and twice the expense.  
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
  From: Lewis Bergman 
   
   
   
  Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 8:07 PM
   
   
   
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
   
   
   
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
  I would assume this wasn't a slip of the tongue. Just
surprised that anyone would build a tower out of stainless
steel. Chuck would likely know but I am pretty sure
stainless is softer than regular steel.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
  On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 8:24 AM Matt Hoppes
 wrote:
   
   
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fwd: Aliens!!!

2020-11-05 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
Election overseers from other dimensions.  

From: Steven Kenney 
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 7:28 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fwd: Aliens!!!

Inconclusive. Would need better video to be sure.  Were they moving around like 
the behavior of bees darting to and fro?  

   
STEVEN KENNEY 

  DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY 
  A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 

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From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:48:45 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Fwd: Aliens!!!


My daughter Jezzelle and granddaughter Emerie caught these shots a few hours 
ago from rooftop of their house.. 
El Paso... was it Aliens or Murder Hornets for November?

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Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

2020-11-05 Thread chuck 
There are multiple kinds of rust.  Some power transmission line towers are 
rusty on purpose.  

Red RustHydrated oxide Fe2O3•H2O
Yellow Rust Iron oxide-hydroxide FeO(OH)H2O
Brown Rust  Oxide Fe2O3 (high oxygen/low moisture)
Black Rust  Iron (II)oxide – Fe3O4 (limited oxygen)

I think I have the order right.  Red rust can eat clear through the metal.  It 
produces deep flakes of cancer in the thickest of steel.  If you can get the 
rust to progress through to brow rust it is a permanent coating that will not 
continue to deteriorate.  Not sure how you make that happen.  If you take a 
stroll along the pedestrian walkway of the Golden Gate bridge, you will see 
1/2” thick parts of the handrail that have flaked completely through.  And that 
is with regular scaling and painting.  

You can go look at an old piece of farm machinery in a field and the steel is 
really good looking.  Dark brown and black rust.  


From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 6:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

Surface rust is of absolutely no consequence. I have black iron towers that 
were constructed 40 years ago that have substantial surface rust. While not 
pretty, it is structurally insignificant. If it looks more like discoloring 
than rust, which if the galv is good is what it usually looks like, I would do 
nothing. Anything you do to fix it will likely speed the rusting process up. 
For instance, you could use naval jelly, which would remove all the rust. If it 
is galv and not SS, the acid will eat more of the galv coating off and it will 
rust faster from then on unless you paint it. Then you are stuck painting a 
galv tower which is a PITA, expensive, and will eventually look even worse. 
Paint, even when applied correctly with the correct prep, just doesn't adhere 
to galv well. 

Sleep tight, don't worry, take the do nothing decision tree.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:31 AM Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

Could it be a zinc galvanized steel instead of stainless?  I assumed stainless 
due to the very limited rust. 

On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:



 
Ok. So then maybe it’s not an issue. It does just appear to be surface. 

On Nov 4, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



 

Apparently regular steel and stainless steel both “rust”.  But stainless forms 
a thin stable protective layer of chromium oxide, while regular steel turns to 
unstable iron oxide which just grows and grows.



https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-doesnt-stainless-stee/







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Certainly not stronger and twice the expense.  







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I would assume this wasn't a slip of the tongue. Just surprised that anyone 
would build a tower out of stainless steel. Chuck would likely know but I am 
pretty sure stainless is softer than regular steel.







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We have a stainless steel tower that’s probably about 30 years old. Good shape. 
But I noticed some minor rust developing on the surface of some cross members 
and a few climbing pegs. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

2020-11-05 Thread Matt Hoppes 
It’s a metal tower Rhone, and it’s sort of has the patchwork look to it. Which 
I assumed was stainless but maybe it’s not.

> On Nov 5, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
>  
> there are some different galvanizing processes.  HDG is distinctively 
> gray and lumpy so I'm sure you wouldn't mistake that for stainless, but yeah 
> maybe you've got something electro galvanized or similar.  Is this a little 
> TV antenna tower?  Almost every comm tower from 30 years ago would be HDG, 
> but people get creative with the little ones.
> 
> 
> 18% chromium gets you stainless good enough to live outdoors.  In addition to 
> the distinctive silver-grey hue, magnets won't stick to it. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/5/2020 6:30 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Could it be a zinc galvanized steel instead of stainless?  I assumed 
>> stainless due to the very limited rust. 
>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Matt Hoppes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ok. So then maybe it’s not an issue. It does just appear to be surface. 
>>> 
 On Nov 4, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
 
 
 Apparently regular steel and stainless steel both “rust”.  But stainless 
 forms a thin stable protective layer of chromium oxide, while regular 
 steel turns to unstable iron oxide which just grows and grows.
  
 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-doesnt-stainless-stee/
  
  
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 Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:22 PM
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 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
  
 Certainly not stronger and twice the expense. 
  
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 Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 8:07 PM
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
  
 I would assume this wasn't a slip of the tongue. Just surprised that 
 anyone would build a tower out of stainless steel. Chuck would likely know 
 but I am pretty sure stainless is softer than regular steel.
  
 On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 8:24 AM Matt Hoppes 
  wrote:
 We have a stainless steel tower that’s probably about 30 years old. Good 
 shape. But I noticed some minor rust developing on the surface of some 
 cross members and a few climbing pegs. 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

2020-11-05 Thread Adam Moffett 


there are some different galvanizing processes.  HDG is 
distinctively gray and lumpy so I'm sure you wouldn't mistake that for 
stainless, but yeah maybe you've got something electro galvanized or 
similar.  Is this a little TV antenna tower?  Almost every comm tower 
from 30 years ago would be HDG, but people get creative with the little 
ones.



18% chromium gets you stainless good enough to live outdoors.  In 
addition to the distinctive silver-grey hue, magnets won't stick to it.




On 11/5/2020 6:30 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Could it be a zinc galvanized steel instead of stainless?  I assumed 
stainless due to the very limited rust.


On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:



Ok. So then maybe it’s not an issue. It does just appear to be surface.


On Nov 4, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



Apparently regular steel and stainless steel both “rust”.  But 
stainless forms a thin stable protective layer of chromium oxide, 
while regular steel turns to unstable iron oxide which just grows 
and grows.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-doesnt-stainless-stee/ 



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Certainly not stronger and twice the expense.

*From:*Lewis Bergman

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*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

I would assume this wasn't a slip of the tongue. Just surprised that 
anyone would build a tower out of stainless steel. Chuck would 
likely know but I am pretty sure stainless is softer than regular steel.


On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 8:24 AM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


We have a stainless steel tower that’s probably about 30 years
old. Good shape. But I noticed some minor rust developing on the
surface of some cross members and a few climbing pegs.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fwd: Aliens!!!

2020-11-05 Thread Jaime Solorza 
Stayed in place for about 10 minutes...then moved...seen by others...
trying to get video

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020, 7:29 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> Inconclusive. Would need better video to be sure.  Were they moving around
> like the behavior of bees darting to and fro?
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> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:48:45 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Fwd: Aliens!!!
>
> My daughter Jezzelle and granddaughter Emerie caught these shots a few
> hours ago from rooftop of their house..
> El Paso... was it Aliens or Murder Hornets for November?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fwd: Aliens!!!

2020-11-05 Thread Steven Kenney 
Inconclusive. Would need better video to be sure. Were they moving around like 
the behavior of bees darting to and fro? 

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To: "af"  
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:48:45 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Fwd: Aliens!!! 

My daughter Jezzelle and granddaughter Emerie caught these shots a few hours 
ago from rooftop of their house.. 
El Paso... was it Aliens or Murder Hornets for November? 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

2020-11-05 Thread Lewis Bergman 
Probably one of those grass is greener deals. We have the vote and look at
what a mess we have made of it. I live in Texas as you know. If you are in
Texas and lean Libretarian or Democrat you only have a say in local
elections, not in statewide elections or for the most part even house
seats. The same but opposite in the left leaning states. Your vote only
really counts in the purple states.
Of course Libertarians are screwed no matter where they live since we all
are stuck in the two party system. I wish ranked non party primary voting
would be instituted but because the two parties that would likely be hurt
the most would have to implement it that won't happen.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 2:29 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> Its enticing… but at the end of the day.. we don’t have any say on what
> happens here… imagine your state not having ant representation on Congress…
>
>
>
> *From: *AF 
> *Date: *Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 7:51 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election
>
> I dunno, if I was going to start a new business that was conducive to
> being in PR and it was going to make a lot of money, they don’t have
> federal income tax.
>
>
>
> *From:* SmarterBroadband
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 4, 2020 4:38 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
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> You should be a State.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A.
> Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 4, 2020 7:06 AM
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>
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>
> Its non-bidding … so we continue to be a colony…
>
>
>
> *From: *AF 
> *Date: *Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 9:59 AM
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election
>
> My understanding is that it is non-binding. I personally think it might be
> good for them, but I believe that it would require a vote of congress.
>
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> bp
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> On 11/4/2020 5:55 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Does this mean you will become a state?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Nov 4, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Statehood won with about 55% on yesterday event…
>
>
>
> *Gino* *Villarini *
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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> *From: *AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
> *Date: *Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 12:50 AM
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>
> prettyhyped that west side story is on netflix. I literally cut through
> our vinyl west side story, and spun out the betamax on it.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 10:05 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> They've had referendums go either direction.
>
> Here's everything I know about Puerto Rico:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPlcE3GcoFc
>
> Bernardo: "I think I go back to San Juan."
>
> Anita: "I know a boat you can get on."
>
> Bernardo: "When I get back there will be big cheer."
>
> Anita:"Everyone there will have moved here."
>
>
>
> >
> > also, does PR even want to be a state? I never knew for sure. I think
> > they should be if they want, but why would you want to gain the
> > responsibility of statehood when you already have the benefit
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

2020-11-05 Thread Lewis Bergman 
Surface rust is of absolutely no consequence. I have black iron towers that
were constructed 40 years ago that have substantial surface rust. While not
pretty, it is structurally insignificant. If it looks more like discoloring
than rust, which if the galv is good is what it usually looks like, I would
do nothing. Anything you do to fix it will likely speed the rusting process
up. For instance, you could use naval jelly
,
which would remove all the rust. If it is galv and not SS, the acid will
eat more of the galv coating off and it will rust faster from then on
unless you paint it. Then you are stuck painting a galv tower which is a
PITA, expensive, and will eventually look even worse. Paint, even when
applied correctly with the correct prep, just doesn't adhere to galv well.

Sleep tight, don't worry, take the do nothing decision tree.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:31 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Could it be a zinc galvanized steel instead of stainless?  I assumed
> stainless due to the very limited rust.
>
> On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Ok. So then maybe it’s not an issue. It does just appear to be surface.
>
> On Nov 4, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Apparently regular steel and stainless steel both “rust”.  But stainless
> forms a thin stable protective layer of chromium oxide, while regular steel
> turns to unstable iron oxide which just grows and grows.
>
>
>
> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-doesnt-stainless-stee/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:22 PM
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>
>
>
> Certainly not stronger and twice the expense.
>
>
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 4, 2020 8:07 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
>
>
>
> I would assume this wasn't a slip of the tongue. Just surprised that
> anyone would build a tower out of stainless steel. Chuck would likely know
> but I am pretty sure stainless is softer than regular steel.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 8:24 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> We have a stainless steel tower that’s probably about 30 years old. Good
> shape. But I noticed some minor rust developing on the surface of some
> cross members and a few climbing pegs.
>
> What’s the best way to stop this and protect the tower?
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Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

2020-11-05 Thread Matt Hoppes 
Could it be a zinc galvanized steel instead of stainless?  I assumed stainless 
due to the very limited rust. 

> On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Ok. So then maybe it’s not an issue. It does just appear to be surface. 
> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Apparently regular steel and stainless steel both “rust”.  But stainless 
>> forms a thin stable protective layer of chromium oxide, while regular steel 
>> turns to unstable iron oxide which just grows and grows.
>>  
>> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-doesnt-stainless-stee/
>>  
>>  
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:22 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
>>  
>> Certainly not stronger and twice the expense. 
>>  
>> From: Lewis Bergman
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 8:07 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
>>  
>> I would assume this wasn't a slip of the tongue. Just surprised that anyone 
>> would build a tower out of stainless steel. Chuck would likely know but I am 
>> pretty sure stainless is softer than regular steel.
>>  
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 8:24 AM Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> We have a stainless steel tower that’s probably about 30 years old. Good 
>> shape. But I noticed some minor rust developing on the surface of some cross 
>> members and a few climbing pegs. 
>> 
>> What’s the best way to stop this and protect the tower?
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Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust

2020-11-05 Thread Matt Hoppes 
Ok. So then maybe it’s not an issue. It does just appear to be surface. 

> On Nov 4, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Apparently regular steel and stainless steel both “rust”.  But stainless 
> forms a thin stable protective layer of chromium oxide, while regular steel 
> turns to unstable iron oxide which just grows and grows.
>  
> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-doesnt-stainless-stee/
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:22 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
>  
> Certainly not stronger and twice the expense. 
>  
> From: Lewis Bergman
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 8:07 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stopping tower rust
>  
> I would assume this wasn't a slip of the tongue. Just surprised that anyone 
> would build a tower out of stainless steel. Chuck would likely know but I am 
> pretty sure stainless is softer than regular steel.
>  
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 8:24 AM Matt Hoppes 
>  wrote:
> We have a stainless steel tower that’s probably about 30 years old. Good 
> shape. But I noticed some minor rust developing on the surface of some cross 
> members and a few climbing pegs. 
> 
> What’s the best way to stop this and protect the tower?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

2020-11-05 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
Its enticing… but at the end of the day.. we don’t have any say on what happens 
here… imagine your state not having ant representation on Congress…

From: AF 
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 7:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election
I dunno, if I was going to start a new business that was conducive to being in 
PR and it was going to make a lot of money, they don’t have federal income tax.

From: SmarterBroadband
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 4:38 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

You should be a State.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 7:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

Its non-bidding … so we continue to be a colony…

From: AF 
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 9:59 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election

My understanding is that it is non-binding. I personally think it might be good 
for them, but I believe that it would require a vote of congress.



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On 11/4/2020 5:55 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Does this mean you will become a state?
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On Nov 4, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

Statehood won with about 55% on yesterday event…


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 12:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Definite Political: The Election
prettyhyped that west side story is on netflix. I literally cut through our 
vinyl west side story, and spun out the betamax on it.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 10:05 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
They've had referendums go either direction.

Here's everything I know about Puerto Rico:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPlcE3GcoFc

Bernardo: "I think I go back to San Juan."

Anita: "I know a boat you can get on."

Bernardo: "When I get back there will be big cheer."

Anita:"Everyone there will have moved here."



>
> also, does PR even want to be a state? I never knew for sure. I think
> they should be if they want, but why would you want to gain the
> responsibility of statehood when you already have the benefit
>



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