Re: [AFMUG] 1099 vs employee liability underground

[Steve Jones]

Thats what Im trying to explain to him, its not worth it to "side work" as
a 1099 guy, employee and deal with it or its not worth it, even if its side
work hours

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 7:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> If you drill for me, you better have me named on your COI on your $500K
> liability policy.  And you better provide proof of workers comp insurance.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2021 12:58 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 1099 vs employee liability underground
>
> So, if you contract an operator to run your horizontal drill, who is
> liable for striking a utility. I assume a contractor with his own drill is
> liable, a contracted laborer im guessing would be decided by state lars on
> whos an employee and whos a contractor regardless of 1099, and as employee
> would put the liability on the company who the dig is for.
>
> does that sound right?
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Re: [AFMUG] 1099 vs employee liability underground

[Chuck McCown via AF]

If you drill for me, you better have me named on your COI on your $500K  
liability policy.  And you better provide proof of workers comp insurance.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 12:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] 1099 vs employee liability underground

So, if you contract an operator to run your horizontal drill, who is liable for 
striking a utility. I assume a contractor with his own drill is liable, a 
contracted laborer im guessing would be decided by state lars on whos an 
employee and whos a contractor regardless of 1099, and as employee would put 
the liability on the company who the dig is for. 

does that sound right?



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Re: [AFMUG] good inexpensive OTDR

[Dev]

Is it better to get a new Chinese unit, or used JDSU, EXFO, Anritsu or similar? 
Are there any used models that are good quality and still would work well that 
someone can recommend?

> On Mar 10, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]  
> wrote:
> 
> We have a $1000 one from china. It works well enough. 
> 
> We have located every fault we ever needed to find with it. 
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
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> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8 Active, an AT 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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>  Original message 
> From: Dev  
> Date: 3/10/21 6:14 PM (GMT-06:00) 
> To: AF@af.afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] good inexpensive OTDR 
> 
> I’m seeing prices for about $7600, seems like a lot. I’m guessing you can get 
> a cheap Chinese one somewhere, but are they workable or flaming piles of junk?
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Re: [AFMUG] good inexpensive OTDR

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

We have a $1000 one from china. It works well enough.

We have located every fault we ever needed to find with it.

Jim



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Subject: [AFMUG] good inexpensive OTDR

I’m seeing prices for about $7600, seems like a lot. I’m guessing you can get a 
cheap Chinese one somewhere, but are they workable or flaming piles of junk?
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I’m seeing prices for about $7600, seems like a lot. I’m guessing you can get a 
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Re: [AFMUG] 1099 vs employee liability underground

[James Howard]

Seems like if that happened the 1099 guy would want to get in touch with IRS 
and state and get determination saying that they are not contractor but 
employee.  One of the primary disqualifiers for actually being a 1099 and not 
an employee is that you CANNOT use the employers equipment, a 1099 MUST provide 
their own equipment...



From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1099 vs employee liability underground

Im suspecting that if Im operating 1099 on a piece of company As equipment on a 
company A project, Company A could put the liability on me if I hit a utility. 
Whereas if I were an employee of company A, the company itself would hold the 
liability. Liability I refer to as the stuck utilities compensation for loss 
and damage.

Im trying to tell my buddy that if I or anybody is operating his equipment 1099 
we are risking liability. Everybody is friends until someone wants paid for 
their fiber getting respooled on a boring rod or a sewage filled sinkhole shows 
up with a duct right through the middle of it. .

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 2:24 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
The one who did the work is the one responsible.  Doesn't matter if they're 
putting it in for the city, AT, or Steve's ISP.

Think about how VZW/Tmobile/AT all use contractors for tower climbing.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 3:05 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Sounds right.

I think you might be able to name a 1099 employee as an additional insured on 
your liability policy.  Might be better than putting it on him to get his own 
$5mil liability policy.


On 3/10/2021 2:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
So, if you contract an operator to run your horizontal drill, who is liable for 
striking a utility. I assume a contractor with his own drill is liable, a 
contracted laborer im guessing would be decided by state lars on whos an 
employee and whos a contractor regardless of 1099, and as employee would put 
the liability on the company who the dig is for.

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Re: [AFMUG] 1099 vs employee liability underground

[Josh Luthman]

Unless you rent the equipment to the guy.  If someone screws up house with
a rented bobcat, they don't go after Four Star.

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 4:07 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Im suspecting that if Im operating 1099 on a piece of company As equipment
> on a company A project, Company A could put the liability on me if I hit a
> utility. Whereas if I were an employee of company A, the company itself
> would hold the liability. Liability I refer to as the stuck utilities
> compensation for loss and damage.
>
> Im trying to tell my buddy that if I or anybody is operating his equipment
> 1099 we are risking liability. Everybody is friends until someone wants
> paid for their fiber getting respooled on a boring rod or a sewage filled
> sinkhole shows up with a duct right through the middle of it. .
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 2:24 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> The one who did the work is the one responsible.  Doesn't matter if
>> they're putting it in for the city, AT, or Steve's ISP.
>>
>> Think about how VZW/Tmobile/AT all use contractors for tower climbing.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 3:05 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds right.
>>>
>>> I think you might be able to name a 1099 employee as an additional
>>> insured on your liability policy.  Might be better than putting it on him
>>> to get his own $5mil liability policy.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/10/2021 2:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> So, if you contract an operator to run your horizontal drill, who is
>>> liable for striking a utility. I assume a contractor with his own drill is
>>> liable, a contracted laborer im guessing would be decided by state lars on
>>> whos an employee and whos a contractor regardless of 1099, and as
>>> employee would put the liability on the company who the dig is for.
>>>
>>> does that sound right?
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Re: [AFMUG] 1099 vs employee liability underground

[Steve Jones]

Im suspecting that if Im operating 1099 on a piece of company As equipment
on a company A project, Company A could put the liability on me if I hit a
utility. Whereas if I were an employee of company A, the company itself
would hold the liability. Liability I refer to as the stuck utilities
compensation for loss and damage.

Im trying to tell my buddy that if I or anybody is operating his equipment
1099 we are risking liability. Everybody is friends until someone wants
paid for their fiber getting respooled on a boring rod or a sewage filled
sinkhole shows up with a duct right through the middle of it. .

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 2:24 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> The one who did the work is the one responsible.  Doesn't matter if
> they're putting it in for the city, AT, or Steve's ISP.
>
> Think about how VZW/Tmobile/AT all use contractors for tower climbing.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 3:05 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Sounds right.
>>
>> I think you might be able to name a 1099 employee as an additional
>> insured on your liability policy.  Might be better than putting it on him
>> to get his own $5mil liability policy.
>>
>>
>> On 3/10/2021 2:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> So, if you contract an operator to run your horizontal drill, who is
>> liable for striking a utility. I assume a contractor with his own drill is
>> liable, a contracted laborer im guessing would be decided by state lars on
>> whos an employee and whos a contractor regardless of 1099, and as
>> employee would put the liability on the company who the dig is for.
>>
>> does that sound right?
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Re: [AFMUG] 1099 vs employee liability underground

[Josh Luthman]

The one who did the work is the one responsible.  Doesn't matter if they're
putting it in for the city, AT, or Steve's ISP.

Think about how VZW/Tmobile/AT all use contractors for tower climbing.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 3:05 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Sounds right.
>
> I think you might be able to name a 1099 employee as an additional insured
> on your liability policy.  Might be better than putting it on him to get
> his own $5mil liability policy.
>
>
> On 3/10/2021 2:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> So, if you contract an operator to run your horizontal drill, who is
> liable for striking a utility. I assume a contractor with his own drill is
> liable, a contracted laborer im guessing would be decided by state lars on
> whos an employee and whos a contractor regardless of 1099, and as
> employee would put the liability on the company who the dig is for.
>
> does that sound right?
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Re: [AFMUG] 1099 vs employee liability underground

[Adam Moffett]

Sounds right.

I think you might be able to name a 1099 employee as an additional 
insured on your liability policy.  Might be better than putting it on 
him to get his own $5mil liability policy.



On 3/10/2021 2:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
So, if you contract an operator to run your horizontal drill, who is 
liable for striking a utility. I assume a contractor with his own 
drill is liable, a contracted laborer im guessing would be decided by 
state lars on whos an employee and whos a contractor regardless of 
1099, and as employee would put the liability on the company who the 
dig is for.


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[Steve Jones]

So, if you contract an operator to run your horizontal drill, who is liable
for striking a utility. I assume a contractor with his own drill is liable,
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Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Review...not read to you

- Reply message -
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG]EBB program
Date: Wed, Mar 10, 2021 12:47 PM

We want to play too. the state of Alabama has given us a really good program 
for students in schools with low income families and school subsidized lunches 
called ABC for students. This program will make that look like a trial run and 
we added about 1,000 subscribers just from that program.

Wispa and Steve Coran put on an excellent webinar last Friday that I must read 
you again. I think we only have until maybe next friday? To sign up.


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From: "Randy Cosby" 
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: [AFMUG] EBB program
Date: Wed, Mar 10, 2021 12:21 PM

Still waiting for more clarity on the verification stuff. I can't seem to
find straight answers yet and I believe that's because nobody really knows
yet. I've heard from some that the customer prequalifies themselves. I've
also read that we will have access to the "national verifier" but I'm not
certain that is the "catchall" way to qualify people. I'm nervous that we'll
have a bunch of different systems to deal with (national verifier, school
lunch program, local school districts, state unemployment, etc.)  We shall
see. 




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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

Randy,

We  got  our  FCC  approval  yesterday.   Going  to  do the USAC stuff
tomorrow.  Going to be some overhead for us, but we have to do it.

I think I can put it into our billing system (PLAT) fairly easy.

Big  thing  for  me is what we are allowed to do for non-payers on our
higher  tier  plans.  I know we are going to have to write up a fairly
detailed  sign-up  sheet  explaining  everything  about the plan.  I'm
thinking  part  of  that  write up sheet will have some verbiage about
automatically  downgrading to lowest tier if account is past due by 10 days.

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RC> We are.  Just got through the first application/approval.

RC> Randy Cosby
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RC> Technologies
RC> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:09 AM
RC> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
RC> Subject: [AFMUG] EBB program

RC> Just curious, who out there is looking at doing this?


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Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

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We want to play too. the state of Alabama has given us a really good program 
for students in schools with low income families and school subsidized lunches 
called ABC for students. This program will make that look like a trial run and 
we added about 1,000 subscribers just from that program.

Wispa and Steve Coran put on an excellent webinar last Friday that I must read 
you again. I think we only have until maybe next friday? To sign up.

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From: "Randy Cosby" 
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: [AFMUG] EBB program
Date: Wed, Mar 10, 2021 12:21 PM

Still waiting for more clarity on the verification stuff. I can't seem to
find straight answers yet and I believe that's because nobody really knows
yet. I've heard from some that the customer prequalifies themselves. I've
also read that we will have access to the "national verifier" but I'm not
certain that is the "catchall" way to qualify people. I'm nervous that we'll
have a bunch of different systems to deal with (national verifier, school
lunch program, local school districts, state unemployment, etc.)  We shall
see. 




-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

Randy,

We  got  our  FCC  approval  yesterday.   Going  to  do the USAC stuff
tomorrow.  Going to be some overhead for us, but we have to do it.

I think I can put it into our billing system (PLAT) fairly easy.

Big  thing  for  me is what we are allowed to do for non-payers on our
higher  tier  plans.  I know we are going to have to write up a fairly
detailed  sign-up  sheet  explaining  everything  about the plan.  I'm
thinking  part  of  that  write up sheet will have some verbiage about
automatically  downgrading to lowest tier if account is past due by 10 days.

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RC> Randy Cosby
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Re: [AFMUG] utility outage notifications

[Josh Luthman]

If you have your own meter you might get a notification.  Not sure I'd
depend on it.

We have meters with both providers that have our area in multiple
locations.  Sometimes we get a heads up, most of the time we don't
(referring to planned events, outages I get a call many hours after it gets
fixed).

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 12:23 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> We dont run our own meters, power is built in to leases so we dont have
> account numbers with the power utilities. Is there a place we can register
> for alerts on regional outages?
> an example is right now one of our sites that has a bad UPS thats
> replacement is on order. It went down a bit ago and looking on the
> providers outage map, its a planned outage for tree trimming. We could have
> planned around that.
>
> I have notifications for my home account with ComEd and its nice, I know
> when my power goes out and get the ETA notices as they update them
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Re: [AFMUG] Rick left Baicells?

[Jaime Solorza]

Your writing gives me hope Esteve

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 11:06 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> i think hes talking about me in that message, lol. Rick has been a well
> respected member of the industry and I dont think a lot of newer people
> realize how much he did for us. He asked me to be less "stevish" about
> Baicells, most of you know tongue biting isnt my strong suit, but that
> maner garners that much respect that I have, my tongue is pretty much
> mangled hamburger from bitig it. Im glad to see he is out of there and on
> to brighter horizons, I felt really bad for him and the reputation hit he
> took. Now Im excited to see Nextlink do well with him on the team
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:50 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Nope.
>>
>> On 3/10/21 12:44 PM, Aeron Wireless wrote:
>> > Can you blame him?
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 12:43 PM Steve Jones > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > image.png
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Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

[Randy Cosby]

Still waiting for more clarity on the verification stuff. I can't seem to
find straight answers yet and I believe that's because nobody really knows
yet. I've heard from some that the customer prequalifies themselves. I've
also read that we will have access to the "national verifier" but I'm not
certain that is the "catchall" way to qualify people. I'm nervous that we'll
have a bunch of different systems to deal with (national verifier, school
lunch program, local school districts, state unemployment, etc.)  We shall
see. 




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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

Randy,

We  got  our  FCC  approval  yesterday.   Going  to  do the USAC stuff
tomorrow.  Going to be some overhead for us, but we have to do it.

I think I can put it into our billing system (PLAT) fairly easy.

Big  thing  for  me is what we are allowed to do for non-payers on our
higher  tier  plans.  I know we are going to have to write up a fairly
detailed  sign-up  sheet  explaining  everything  about the plan.  I'm
thinking  part  of  that  write up sheet will have some verbiage about
automatically  downgrading to lowest tier if account is past due by 10 days.

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Re: [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?

[Colin Stanners]

You didn't note what model wasn't easily found on Google. If it was
written, we could help.

The previous email had so many "creative" parts that I needed to parse it
better:

>I don't understand why manufacturers don't compress the signal more to get
higher bandwidth.

What are your sources for that assumption? Some do data compression (e.g.
Dragonwave), but since much of the content on the internet is already
compressed, savings are minor, maybe 10-20% on average traffic, so many do
not.

>Using tighter filters they should be able to get a 100x more data
throughput than they do.

Definitely not, radio filter quality varies but the difference in speed /
modulation between average and great filters is more in the range 10-30%,
not 1%. The latter would be an insane amount, out of this world.

>1 Mhz appears to be worth 1 bit.  Why aren't they using 100hz for 1bit?

Did you mean 1hz worth 1bit? Such as FSK modulation - that was around the
year 2000. Since then, radios have become much more efficient, some can do
10-15bits/hz which is up to dual-stream 1024-4096QAM. Such requires strong
signal, 40dB+ over noise, which is not often seen, and getting near the
maximum efficiency possible in modern channels / spectrum / distances.
100hz for 1bit would be extremely inefficient; if you meant 100bits/hz,
that would require technology so advanced and signal so incredibly strong
that the devices would be insanely expensive and almost touching distance,
not miles away.

>Tighter filter, vast increase in throughput, no more competition from
cable/fibe

Tighter filters will give some percentage speed increase as noted above,
but the second and third part of this sentence are very incorrect.

>just saying, the manufacturers designers should pull their heads out of
their bosses butts and improve the designs they have instead of reaching
for higher bands which only function under rare conditions!

Those designers know a massive amount about RF, and most designs today are
quite good (depending on price range). Good ideas are nice but above you
have made some very incorrect statements, and no new or notable ideas.



On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 9:50 AM Jan Van Kort  wrote:

> So that would be a yes it does experience rain fade?  It rains here and
> heavy misting at least 6 months out of the year.
>
> I'm not finding that model on google, Mouser elect. seems to be an Aviat
> dealer, not finding this model there, so I wouldn't know what freq this
> model supports.  Is it even produced anymore?
>
> I don't understand why manufacturers don't compress the signal more to get
> higher bandwidth.  Using tighter filters they should be able to get a 100x
> more data throughput than they do.  1 Mhz appears to be worth 1 bit.  Why
> aren't they using 100hz for 1bit?  Tighter filter, vast increase in
> throughput, no more competition from cable/fiber.
>
> just saying, the manufacturers designers should pull their heads out of
> their bosses butts and improve the designs they have instead of reaching
> for higher bands which only function under rare conditions!
> On 3/10/21 7:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Everything above 7ghz experiences rain fade.  No vendor can fix that.
> On 3/10/2021 10:25 AM, Jan Van Kort wrote:
>
> Does this unit experience rain fade/fog issues?
> On 3/10/21 7:15 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
>
> AF5X-HD or AF11X if you want to stay in the UBNT ecosystem.
>
> Personally, I’d do 11X because the channel widths needed for backhaul are
> better used in PTMP 5ghz.  11X will get you 500-600mbps at that distance.
>
> If you need more speed, I’d look at Aviat 11Ghz.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-999-7000
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Jan Van Kort
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:04 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?
>
>
>
> We're using PowerBeam 5AC ISO for our links between towers.  Is there a
> higher capacity choice available yet?  Our longest links are about 6-7
> miles.
>
> GAMs
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Re: [AFMUG] Rick left Baicells?

[Steve Jones]

i think hes talking about me in that message, lol. Rick has been a well
respected member of the industry and I dont think a lot of newer people
realize how much he did for us. He asked me to be less "stevish" about
Baicells, most of you know tongue biting isnt my strong suit, but that
maner garners that much respect that I have, my tongue is pretty much
mangled hamburger from bitig it. Im glad to see he is out of there and on
to brighter horizons, I felt really bad for him and the reputation hit he
took. Now Im excited to see Nextlink do well with him on the team

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:50 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Nope.
>
> On 3/10/21 12:44 PM, Aeron Wireless wrote:
> > Can you blame him?
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 12:43 PM Steve Jones  > > wrote:
> >
> > image.png
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Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Randy,

We  got  our  FCC  approval  yesterday.   Going  to  do the USAC stuff
tomorrow.  Going to be some overhead for us, but we have to do it.

I think I can put it into our billing system (PLAT) fairly easy.

Big  thing  for  me is what we are allowed to do for non-payers on our
higher  tier  plans.  I know we are going to have to write up a fairly
detailed  sign-up  sheet  explaining  everything  about the plan.  I'm
thinking  part  of  that  write up sheet will have some verbiage about
automatically  downgrading to lowest tier if account is past due by 10
days.

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Re: [AFMUG] Rick left Baicells?

[Matt Hoppes]

Nope.

On 3/10/21 12:44 PM, Aeron Wireless wrote:

Can you blame him?

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 12:43 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] Rick left Baicells?

[Jason Wilson]

>From their support facebook page penned by Rick.

I would like to announce a new change in my career, I will be venturing
back to the service provider side of the industry, where I started 26 years
ago. I have accepted a position as Director of Development at NextLink. My
roles are mostly, M activity, IOT research and liaisoning with government
officials and regulatory bodies. Most of you know, I love this industry
very much. I respect how hard everyone in the industry works every day, as
we all strive to serve the underserved people in our service territories.
Life and careers obviously are evolutionary. When I was in college, many
years ago, I never dreamed my career would contain so many twists and
turns. I have enjoyed each and every one of them.
I plan to hang around in this group to keep in touch. I may pipe in from
time to time with helpful comments like Cameron Kilton does. After all,
that is what this group should be about, helping others solve problems. I
will be truthful with you, I have usually found that asking nicely gets you
much better response than asking bitterly. There is way to much hate in
this country already. Social media has spawned a culture of “keyboard
warriors”, who are probably great people face to face, but their online
diatribes only waste other people’s valuable time and resources. If you
think you fit that description, please find a way to answer or contribute
to this group respectfully and calmly. Bitterness does not solve problems,
it only escalates the emotions of everyone involved. I grew up in a time
where “Please” and “Thank you” were commonplace and expected. I may be
old-schooled, but I think we all would be better off if people embraced
these words again. So out of respect for me, please think twice before
leaving a negative comment on this post.
I wish all of you good fortune in your business ventures and careers. I
wish all of you and your family good health and success. I may come and
visit some of you in the next year and I will be at WISPAmerica.

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 09:43 Steve Jones  wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] Rick left Baicells?

[Matt Hoppes]

That is correct.   Bad sign for BaiCells... good for Rick.

On 3/10/21 12:41 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] Rick left Baicells?

[Aeron Wireless]

Can you blame him?

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 12:43 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

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[AFMUG] Rick left Baicells?

[Steve Jones]

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[AFMUG] utility outage notifications

[Steve Jones]

We dont run our own meters, power is built in to leases so we dont have
account numbers with the power utilities. Is there a place we can register
for alerts on regional outages?
an example is right now one of our sites that has a bad UPS thats
replacement is on order. It went down a bit ago and looking on the
providers outage map, its a planned outage for tree trimming. We could have
planned around that.

I have notifications for my home account with ComEd and its nice, I know
when my power goes out and get the ETA notices as they update them
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Re: [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?

[Steve Jones]

I think Ken probably regrets being front man for an entire industry. spends
half his day probably going through emails and the other half dealing with
morons like me who just cant quite get it

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:17 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
wrote:

> Aviat only sells direct.  Contact Ken Ruppel 
>
> He can go over it with you.  Super nice guy.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-999-7000
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jan Van Kort
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:49 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?
>
>
>
> So that would be a yes it does experience rain fade?  It rains here and
> heavy misting at least 6 months out of the year.
>
> I'm not finding that model on google, Mouser elect. seems to be an Aviat
> dealer, not finding this model there, so I wouldn't know what freq this
> model supports.  Is it even produced anymore?
>
> I don't understand why manufacturers don't compress the signal more to get
> higher bandwidth.  Using tighter filters they should be able to get a 100x
> more data throughput than they do.  1 Mhz appears to be worth 1 bit.  Why
> aren't they using 100hz for 1bit?  Tighter filter, vast increase in
> throughput, no more competition from cable/fiber.
>
> just saying, the manufacturers designers should pull their heads out of
> their bosses butts and improve the designs they have instead of reaching
> for higher bands which only function under rare conditions!
>
> On 3/10/21 7:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Everything above 7ghz experiences rain fade.  No vendor can fix that.
>
> On 3/10/2021 10:25 AM, Jan Van Kort wrote:
>
> Does this unit experience rain fade/fog issues?
>
> On 3/10/21 7:15 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
>
> AF5X-HD or AF11X if you want to stay in the UBNT ecosystem.
>
> Personally, I’d do 11X because the channel widths needed for backhaul are
> better used in PTMP 5ghz.  11X will get you 500-600mbps at that distance.
>
> If you need more speed, I’d look at Aviat 11Ghz.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-999-7000
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Jan Van Kort
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:04 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?
>
>
>
> We're using PowerBeam 5AC ISO for our links between towers.  Is there a
> higher capacity choice available yet?  Our longest links are about 6-7
> miles.
>
> GAMs
>
> On 3/9/21 7:34 PM, James Howard wrote:
>
> My 3 year old who’s wearing it doesn’t need to worry about that.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 8:59 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower take down
>
>
>
> That would be a good one of you were asking fbi to look into felonies with
> potential domestic terror undertones (as low as that bar is set right now)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 7:47 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> Are you referring to a red version of a hat like this?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 6:24 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower take down
>
>
>
> not a joke, but if you can get an image of any of those involved in a
> particular red hat, FBI may actually take it up.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 6:22 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> guido sarduci. he will ensue recompense.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 5:13 PM Jan Van Kort 
> wrote:
>
> It was more than 10 years on that property, the company has changed hands
> 4 times since I built it(the tower). We're now a utility company and
> provide electric and telecom to a large portion of the county. Two owners
> back the operators were real dicks and stole all the good stuff.  We bought
> it (the wireless company) back and upgraded the service with new stuff and
> more bandwidth.
>
> But just the same, FCC stickers on telecom equipment always say it's a
> felony.  Just wondering if anyone has ever had to file a complaint?  And
> who to?
>
> GAMs
>
> On 3/9/21 2:37 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
>
> I think that if you're talking about the power allocated through stickers,
> the battle is already lost.
>
>
>
> Who owned the tower? Was it clear in the contract? As in that case they
> should have no permission to make any changes to it. Was it fenced in or
> otherwise had real access control?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 3:51 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:
>
> Hey, we had a tower agreement that included a 60 day notice.  We found
> the tower offline on our monitor system and went to investigate.
> Someone had taken the guts out of the controller and threw them into the
> weeds in the rain and had started removing the tower.  It was a 3 legged
> ham-radio tower 34ft model.  The property owner had sent a weirdly
> worded email just hours before about having her crew rehabilitate our
> tower.  How successful are the 

Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

[Steve Jones]

we did free school internet, its a sad state of affairs that we currently
only have 3 total accounts, only one actively uses it. I think at the
height of it we had maybe 8 across 30 sites.

I think the reason parents opted to go without is because we tunnelled all
the traffic to the school district so they could police the traffic as they
saw fit.

If affordable internet for "needs" had the caveat of being non
entertainment (netflix and pornhub) there would be little to no demand. Its
a real shame that this is what the tax dollars actually get spent on and
theyre talking about defining the "need" as 100mbps

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:16 AM Randy Cosby  wrote:

> We are.  Just got through the first application/approval.
>
> Randy Cosby
> InfoWest
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:09 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] EBB program
>
> Just curious, who out there is looking at doing this?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[Josh Luthman]

A little birdie told me

>order shipped out on the 8th from Ohio

If you want Amazon robots go for it, but having an individual relationship
with Streakwave has saved me way more money than Amazon ever could.  I do
use Amazon and it has its place for sure.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:12 AM Jan Van Kort 
wrote:

> I placed an order last week for those crimpers and plugs, from streakwave,
> I haven't seen an acknowledgement of the order and the package hasn't shown
> up at my door yet.  Amazon would have done both by now.
> On 3/3/21 2:26 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>
> Thanks TJ,
>
> I am more interested in repeatable quality than saving a bit on a
> connector that is .39 at Streakwave but if they really are the same I might
> be interested down the road.  I've know the Shireen guys since they
> started, they are right down the road from our Baltimore office, and they
> have always been really good about QC.  I kind of like the idea of using
> their cable and connector.  Any issues and I can just drop off a bag of cut
> off ends and ask them to figure out what the issue is.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:05 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Every RJ45 mentioned in this thread so far actually come from the same
>> factory, we buy them from the factory direct in bulk. If you can buy 1,000
>> pcs or more and want to save a bit hit me off  the list.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:38 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.streakwave.com/platinum-tools-100054c-ez-rj-pro-hd-crimp-tool
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 4:29 PM Carl Peterson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This one?

 https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/crimper-tool-for-rj45-rj11-rj12

 On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:49 PM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Tried to find that this morning to put in our wiki, actually.  I got
> it from Streakwave.  My guy is out of the office today, though.  And the
> website is broken if you search crimper.
>
> If you need it right away just call someone at Streakwave and ask for
> crimpers.  If there are multiple options, ask what Imagine Networks has
> been buying.  The new ones are blue.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:58 PM Carl Peterson <
> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Josh,
>>
>> Any chance you could send the info on the tool you are using with
>> them?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:19 PM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 100% Shireen smartfeed connectors.  I think they made the tool,
>>> too.  It nearly eliminated our rj45/cat5 problems.  At least 99% 
>>> resolved
>>> I'd say.
>>>
>>> We tried Arc/Ubnt/Netonix in the past.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>>> Suite 1337
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:06 PM Carl Peterson <
>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>
 We currently use 2061 dies in regular crimp frames.  Debating
 buying new dies vs moving to something else.  Looking for something as
 tech-proof as possible that doesn't rely on them knowing how much to
 squeeze.  Any favorites out there?  Any favorites on Shielded RJ45s?  
 We
 currently use the Netonix ones.

 We have been seeing a lot more ethernet cabling issues as of late.
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Re: [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

Aviat only sells direct.  Contact Ken Ruppel 
mailto:ken.rup...@aviatnet.com>>
He can go over it with you.  Super nice guy.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jan Van Kort
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?


So that would be a yes it does experience rain fade?  It rains here and heavy 
misting at least 6 months out of the year.

I'm not finding that model on google, Mouser elect. seems to be an Aviat 
dealer, not finding this model there, so I wouldn't know what freq this model 
supports.  Is it even produced anymore?

I don't understand why manufacturers don't compress the signal more to get 
higher bandwidth.  Using tighter filters they should be able to get a 100x more 
data throughput than they do.  1 Mhz appears to be worth 1 bit.  Why aren't 
they using 100hz for 1bit?  Tighter filter, vast increase in throughput, no 
more competition from cable/fiber.

just saying, the manufacturers designers should pull their heads out of their 
bosses butts and improve the designs they have instead of reaching for higher 
bands which only function under rare conditions!
On 3/10/21 7:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Everything above 7ghz experiences rain fade.  No vendor can fix that.
On 3/10/2021 10:25 AM, Jan Van Kort wrote:

Does this unit experience rain fade/fog issues?
On 3/10/21 7:15 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
AF5X-HD or AF11X if you want to stay in the UBNT ecosystem.
Personally, I'd do 11X because the channel widths needed for backhaul are 
better used in PTMP 5ghz.  11X will get you 500-600mbps at that distance.
If you need more speed, I'd look at Aviat 11Ghz.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Jan Van Kort
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:04 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?


We're using PowerBeam 5AC ISO for our links between towers.  Is there a higher 
capacity choice available yet?  Our longest links are about 6-7 miles.

GAMs
On 3/9/21 7:34 PM, James Howard wrote:
My 3 year old who's wearing it doesn't need to worry about that.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 8:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

That would be a good one of you were asking fbi to look into felonies with 
potential domestic terror undertones (as low as that bar is set right now)

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 7:47 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Are you referring to a red version of a hat like this?



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 6:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

not a joke, but if you can get an image of any of those involved in a 
particular red hat, FBI may actually take it up.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 6:22 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
guido sarduci. he will ensue recompense.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 5:13 PM Jan Van Kort 
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

It was more than 10 years on that property, the company has changed hands 4 
times since I built it(the tower). We're now a utility company and provide 
electric and telecom to a large portion of the county. Two owners back the 
operators were real dicks and stole all the good stuff.  We bought it (the 
wireless company) back and upgraded the service with new stuff and more 
bandwidth.

But just the same, FCC stickers on telecom equipment always say it's a felony.  
Just wondering if anyone has ever had to file a complaint?  And who to?

GAMs
On 3/9/21 2:37 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
I think that if you're talking about the power allocated through stickers, the 
battle is already lost.

Who owned the tower? Was it clear in the contract? As in that case they should 
have no permission to make any changes to it. Was it fenced in or otherwise had 
real access control?


On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 3:51 PM Jan-GAMs 
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:
Hey, we had a tower agreement that included a 60 day notice.  We found
the tower offline on our monitor system and went to investigate.
Someone had taken the guts out of the controller and threw them into the
weeds in the rain and had started removing the tower.  It was a 3 legged
ham-radio tower 34ft model.  The property owner had sent a weirdly
worded email just hours before about having her crew rehabilitate our
tower.  How successful are the warning stickers about tampering with
telecommunications being a felony?  Has anyone ever enforced that?

GAMS


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Re: [AFMUG] EBB program

[Randy Cosby]

We are.  Just got through the first application/approval.

Randy Cosby
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] EBB program

Just curious, who out there is looking at doing this?


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Re: [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

BUT! A properly engineered link will have minimal disruptions (or none at all).
Contact 
https://www.comsearch.com/services/frequency-coordination-fcc-licensing/microwave/
 to discuss your options.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:28 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?


Everything above 7ghz experiences rain fade.  No vendor can fix that.
On 3/10/2021 10:25 AM, Jan Van Kort wrote:

Does this unit experience rain fade/fog issues?
On 3/10/21 7:15 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
AF5X-HD or AF11X if you want to stay in the UBNT ecosystem.
Personally, I'd do 11X because the channel widths needed for backhaul are 
better used in PTMP 5ghz.  11X will get you 500-600mbps at that distance.
If you need more speed, I'd look at Aviat 11Ghz.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Jan Van Kort
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:04 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?


We're using PowerBeam 5AC ISO for our links between towers.  Is there a higher 
capacity choice available yet?  Our longest links are about 6-7 miles.

GAMs
On 3/9/21 7:34 PM, James Howard wrote:
My 3 year old who's wearing it doesn't need to worry about that.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 8:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

That would be a good one of you were asking fbi to look into felonies with 
potential domestic terror undertones (as low as that bar is set right now)

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 7:47 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Are you referring to a red version of a hat like this?



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 6:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

not a joke, but if you can get an image of any of those involved in a 
particular red hat, FBI may actually take it up.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 6:22 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
guido sarduci. he will ensue recompense.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 5:13 PM Jan Van Kort 
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

It was more than 10 years on that property, the company has changed hands 4 
times since I built it(the tower). We're now a utility company and provide 
electric and telecom to a large portion of the county. Two owners back the 
operators were real dicks and stole all the good stuff.  We bought it (the 
wireless company) back and upgraded the service with new stuff and more 
bandwidth.

But just the same, FCC stickers on telecom equipment always say it's a felony.  
Just wondering if anyone has ever had to file a complaint?  And who to?

GAMs
On 3/9/21 2:37 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
I think that if you're talking about the power allocated through stickers, the 
battle is already lost.

Who owned the tower? Was it clear in the contract? As in that case they should 
have no permission to make any changes to it. Was it fenced in or otherwise had 
real access control?


On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 3:51 PM Jan-GAMs 
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:
Hey, we had a tower agreement that included a 60 day notice.  We found
the tower offline on our monitor system and went to investigate.
Someone had taken the guts out of the controller and threw them into the
weeds in the rain and had started removing the tower.  It was a 3 legged
ham-radio tower 34ft model.  The property owner had sent a weirdly
worded email just hours before about having her crew rehabilitate our
tower.  How successful are the warning stickers about tampering with
telecommunications being a felony?  Has anyone ever enforced that?

GAMS


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[AFMUG] EBB program

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Just curious, who out there is looking at doing this?


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Re: [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?

[Steve Jones]

Uh oh.

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 9:50 AM Jan Van Kort  wrote:

> So that would be a yes it does experience rain fade?  It rains here and
> heavy misting at least 6 months out of the year.
>
> I'm not finding that model on google, Mouser elect. seems to be an Aviat
> dealer, not finding this model there, so I wouldn't know what freq this
> model supports.  Is it even produced anymore?
>
> I don't understand why manufacturers don't compress the signal more to get
> higher bandwidth.  Using tighter filters they should be able to get a 100x
> more data throughput than they do.  1 Mhz appears to be worth 1 bit.  Why
> aren't they using 100hz for 1bit?  Tighter filter, vast increase in
> throughput, no more competition from cable/fiber.
>
> just saying, the manufacturers designers should pull their heads out of
> their bosses butts and improve the designs they have instead of reaching
> for higher bands which only function under rare conditions!
> On 3/10/21 7:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Everything above 7ghz experiences rain fade.  No vendor can fix that.
> On 3/10/2021 10:25 AM, Jan Van Kort wrote:
>
> Does this unit experience rain fade/fog issues?
> On 3/10/21 7:15 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
>
> AF5X-HD or AF11X if you want to stay in the UBNT ecosystem.
>
> Personally, I’d do 11X because the channel widths needed for backhaul are
> better used in PTMP 5ghz.  11X will get you 500-600mbps at that distance.
>
> If you need more speed, I’d look at Aviat 11Ghz.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-999-7000
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Jan Van Kort
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:04 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?
>
>
>
> We're using PowerBeam 5AC ISO for our links between towers.  Is there a
> higher capacity choice available yet?  Our longest links are about 6-7
> miles.
>
> GAMs
>
> On 3/9/21 7:34 PM, James Howard wrote:
>
> My 3 year old who’s wearing it doesn’t need to worry about that.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 8:59 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower take down
>
>
>
> That would be a good one of you were asking fbi to look into felonies with
> potential domestic terror undertones (as low as that bar is set right now)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 7:47 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> Are you referring to a red version of a hat like this?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 6:24 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower take down
>
>
>
> not a joke, but if you can get an image of any of those involved in a
> particular red hat, FBI may actually take it up.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 6:22 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> guido sarduci. he will ensue recompense.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 5:13 PM Jan Van Kort 
> wrote:
>
> It was more than 10 years on that property, the company has changed hands
> 4 times since I built it(the tower). We're now a utility company and
> provide electric and telecom to a large portion of the county. Two owners
> back the operators were real dicks and stole all the good stuff.  We bought
> it (the wireless company) back and upgraded the service with new stuff and
> more bandwidth.
>
> But just the same, FCC stickers on telecom equipment always say it's a
> felony.  Just wondering if anyone has ever had to file a complaint?  And
> who to?
>
> GAMs
>
> On 3/9/21 2:37 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
>
> I think that if you're talking about the power allocated through stickers,
> the battle is already lost.
>
>
>
> Who owned the tower? Was it clear in the contract? As in that case they
> should have no permission to make any changes to it. Was it fenced in or
> otherwise had real access control?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 3:51 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:
>
> Hey, we had a tower agreement that included a 60 day notice.  We found
> the tower offline on our monitor system and went to investigate.
> Someone had taken the guts out of the controller and threw them into the
> weeds in the rain and had started removing the tower.  It was a 3 legged
> ham-radio tower 34ft model.  The property owner had sent a weirdly
> worded email just hours before about having her crew rehabilitate our
> tower.  How successful are the warning stickers about tampering with
> telecommunications being a felony?  Has anyone ever enforced that?
>
> GAMS
>
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Re: [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?

[Adam Moffett]

If we're talking about Aviat or AF 11ghz, then yes rain fade is a 
thing.  A vendor should be able to run path calculations based on your 
location to give you an idea of how much it will affect performance and 
how often.


You are mistaken about bits/hz of current hardware.  Wireless hardware 
is now running very close to the practical limits of spectral efficiency.



On 3/10/2021 10:49 AM, Jan Van Kort wrote:


So that would be a yes it does experience rain fade?  It rains here 
and heavy misting at least 6 months out of the year.


I'm not finding that model on google, Mouser elect. seems to be an 
Aviat dealer, not finding this model there, so I wouldn't know what 
freq this model supports.  Is it even produced anymore?


I don't understand why manufacturers don't compress the signal more to 
get higher bandwidth.  Using tighter filters they should be able to 
get a 100x more data throughput than they do.  1 Mhz appears to be 
worth 1 bit.  Why aren't they using 100hz for 1bit?  Tighter filter, 
vast increase in throughput, no more competition from cable/fiber.


just saying, the manufacturers designers should pull their heads out 
of their bosses butts and improve the designs they have instead of 
reaching for higher bands which only function under rare conditions!


On 3/10/21 7:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


Everything above 7ghz experiences rain fade.  No vendor can fix that.

On 3/10/2021 10:25 AM, Jan Van Kort wrote:


Does this unit experience rain fade/fog issues?

On 3/10/21 7:15 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:


AF5X-HD or AF11X if you want to stay in the UBNT ecosystem.

Personally, I’d do 11X because the channel widths needed for 
backhaul are better used in PTMP 5ghz.  11X will get you 
500-600mbps at that distance.


If you need more speed, I’d look at Aviat 11Ghz.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com 

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jan Van Kort
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:04 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?

We're using PowerBeam 5AC ISO for our links between towers.  Is 
there a higher capacity choice available yet?  Our longest links 
are about 6-7 miles.


GAMs

On 3/9/21 7:34 PM, James Howard wrote:

My 3 year old who’s wearing it doesn’t need to worry about that.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 8:59 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

That would be a good one of you were asking fbi to look into
felonies with potential domestic terror undertones (as low as
that bar is set right now)

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 7:47 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

Are you referring to a red version of a hat like this?

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 6:24 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

not a joke, but if you can get an image of any of those
involved in a particular red hat, FBI may actually take it up.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 6:22 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

guido sarduci. he will ensue recompense.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 5:13 PM Jan Van Kort
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

It was more than 10 years on that property, the
company has changed hands 4 times since I built
it(the tower). We're now a utility company and
provide electric and telecom to a large portion of
the county. Two owners back the operators were real
dicks and stole all the good stuff. We bought it
(the wireless company) back and upgraded the
service with new stuff and more bandwidth.

But just the same, FCC stickers on telecom
equipment always say it's a felony.  Just wondering
if anyone has ever had to file a complaint? And who to?

GAMs

On 3/9/21 2:37 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

I think that if you're talking about the power
allocated through stickers, the battle is
already lost.

Who owned the tower? Was it clear in the
contract? As in that case they should have no
permission to make any changes to it. Was it
fenced in or otherwise had real access control?

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 3:51 PM Jan-GAMs
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

Hey, we had a tower agreement that included
 

Re: [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?

[Jan Van Kort]

So that would be a yes it does experience rain fade?  It rains here and 
heavy misting at least 6 months out of the year.


I'm not finding that model on google, Mouser elect. seems to be an Aviat 
dealer, not finding this model there, so I wouldn't know what freq this 
model supports.  Is it even produced anymore?


I don't understand why manufacturers don't compress the signal more to 
get higher bandwidth.  Using tighter filters they should be able to get 
a 100x more data throughput than they do.  1 Mhz appears to be worth 1 
bit.  Why aren't they using 100hz for 1bit? Tighter filter, vast 
increase in throughput, no more competition from cable/fiber.


just saying, the manufacturers designers should pull their heads out of 
their bosses butts and improve the designs they have instead of reaching 
for higher bands which only function under rare conditions!


On 3/10/21 7:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


Everything above 7ghz experiences rain fade.  No vendor can fix that.

On 3/10/2021 10:25 AM, Jan Van Kort wrote:


Does this unit experience rain fade/fog issues?

On 3/10/21 7:15 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:


AF5X-HD or AF11X if you want to stay in the UBNT ecosystem.

Personally, I’d do 11X because the channel widths needed for 
backhaul are better used in PTMP 5ghz.  11X will get you 500-600mbps 
at that distance.


If you need more speed, I’d look at Aviat 11Ghz.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com 

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jan Van Kort
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:04 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?

We're using PowerBeam 5AC ISO for our links between towers.  Is 
there a higher capacity choice available yet? Our longest links are 
about 6-7 miles.


GAMs

On 3/9/21 7:34 PM, James Howard wrote:

My 3 year old who’s wearing it doesn’t need to worry about that.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 8:59 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

That would be a good one of you were asking fbi to look into
felonies with potential domestic terror undertones (as low as
that bar is set right now)

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 7:47 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

Are you referring to a red version of a hat like this?

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 6:24 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

not a joke, but if you can get an image of any of those
involved in a particular red hat, FBI may actually take it up.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 6:22 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

guido sarduci. he will ensue recompense.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 5:13 PM Jan Van Kort
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>>
wrote:

It was more than 10 years on that property, the
company has changed hands 4 times since I built
it(the tower). We're now a utility company and
provide electric and telecom to a large portion of
the county. Two owners back the operators were real
dicks and stole all the good stuff. We bought it
(the wireless company) back and upgraded the service
with new stuff and more bandwidth.

But just the same, FCC stickers on telecom equipment
always say it's a felony.  Just wondering if anyone
has ever had to file a complaint?  And who to?

GAMs

On 3/9/21 2:37 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

I think that if you're talking about the power
allocated through stickers, the battle is
already lost.

Who owned the tower? Was it clear in the
contract? As in that case they should have no
permission to make any changes to it. Was it
fenced in or otherwise had real access control?

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 3:51 PM Jan-GAMs
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

Hey, we had a tower agreement that included
a 60 day notice.  We found
the tower offline on our monitor system and
went to investigate.
Someone had taken the guts out of the
controller and threw them into the
weeds in the rain and had started removing
the tower. It was a 3 legged

Re: [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?

[Adam Moffett]

Everything above 7ghz experiences rain fade.  No vendor can fix that.

On 3/10/2021 10:25 AM, Jan Van Kort wrote:


Does this unit experience rain fade/fog issues?

On 3/10/21 7:15 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:


AF5X-HD or AF11X if you want to stay in the UBNT ecosystem.

Personally, I’d do 11X because the channel widths needed for backhaul 
are better used in PTMP 5ghz.  11X will get you 500-600mbps at that 
distance.


If you need more speed, I’d look at Aviat 11Ghz.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com 

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jan Van Kort
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:04 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?

We're using PowerBeam 5AC ISO for our links between towers.  Is there 
a higher capacity choice available yet? Our longest links are about 
6-7 miles.


GAMs

On 3/9/21 7:34 PM, James Howard wrote:

My 3 year old who’s wearing it doesn’t need to worry about that.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 8:59 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

That would be a good one of you were asking fbi to look into
felonies with potential domestic terror undertones (as low as
that bar is set right now)

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 7:47 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

Are you referring to a red version of a hat like this?

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 6:24 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

not a joke, but if you can get an image of any of those
involved in a particular red hat, FBI may actually take it up.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 6:22 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

guido sarduci. he will ensue recompense.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 5:13 PM Jan Van Kort
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>>
wrote:

It was more than 10 years on that property, the
company has changed hands 4 times since I built
it(the tower). We're now a utility company and
provide electric and telecom to a large portion of
the county. Two owners back the operators were real
dicks and stole all the good stuff.  We bought it
(the wireless company) back and upgraded the service
with new stuff and more bandwidth.

But just the same, FCC stickers on telecom equipment
always say it's a felony.  Just wondering if anyone
has ever had to file a complaint?  And who to?

GAMs

On 3/9/21 2:37 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

I think that if you're talking about the power
allocated through stickers, the battle is already
lost.

Who owned the tower? Was it clear in the
contract? As in that case they should have no
permission to make any changes to it. Was it
fenced in or otherwise had real access control?

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 3:51 PM Jan-GAMs
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

Hey, we had a tower agreement that included a
60 day notice.  We found
the tower offline on our monitor system and
went to investigate.
Someone had taken the guts out of the
controller and threw them into the
weeds in the rain and had started removing
the tower. It was a 3 legged
ham-radio tower 34ft model. The property
owner had sent a weirdly
worded email just hours before about having
her crew rehabilitate our
tower.  How successful are the warning
stickers about tampering with
telecommunications being a felony?  Has
anyone ever enforced that?

GAMS


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Re: [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?

[Jan Van Kort]

Does this unit experience rain fade/fog issues?

On 3/10/21 7:15 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:


AF5X-HD or AF11X if you want to stay in the UBNT ecosystem.

Personally, I’d do 11X because the channel widths needed for backhaul 
are better used in PTMP 5ghz.  11X will get you 500-600mbps at that 
distance.


If you need more speed, I’d look at Aviat 11Ghz.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com 

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jan Van Kort
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:04 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?

We're using PowerBeam 5AC ISO for our links between towers. Is there a 
higher capacity choice available yet?  Our longest links are about 6-7 
miles.


GAMs

On 3/9/21 7:34 PM, James Howard wrote:

My 3 year old who’s wearing it doesn’t need to worry about that.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 8:59 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

That would be a good one of you were asking fbi to look into
felonies with potential domestic terror undertones (as low as that
bar is set right now)

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 7:47 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

Are you referring to a red version of a hat like this?

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 6:24 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

not a joke, but if you can get an image of any of those
involved in a particular red hat, FBI may actually take it up.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 6:22 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

guido sarduci. he will ensue recompense.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 5:13 PM Jan Van Kort
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>>
wrote:

It was more than 10 years on that property, the
company has changed hands 4 times since I built it(the
tower). We're now a utility company and provide
electric and telecom to a large portion of the county.
Two owners back the operators were real dicks and
stole all the good stuff. We bought it (the wireless
company) back and upgraded the service with new stuff
and more bandwidth.

But just the same, FCC stickers on telecom equipment
always say it's a felony.  Just wondering if anyone
has ever had to file a complaint?  And who to?

GAMs

On 3/9/21 2:37 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

I think that if you're talking about the power
allocated through stickers, the battle is already
lost.

Who owned the tower? Was it clear in the contract?
As in that case they should have no permission to
make any changes to it. Was it fenced in or
otherwise had real access control?

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 3:51 PM Jan-GAMs
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

Hey, we had a tower agreement that included a
60 day notice.  We found
the tower offline on our monitor system and
went to investigate.
Someone had taken the guts out of the
controller and threw them into the
weeds in the rain and had started removing the
tower.  It was a 3 legged
ham-radio tower 34ft model.  The property
owner had sent a weirdly
worded email just hours before about having
her crew rehabilitate our
tower.  How successful are the warning
stickers about tampering with
telecommunications being a felony?  Has anyone
ever enforced that?

GAMS


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Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

[Jan Van Kort]

It was a out-of-state contractor, his tatoo-boy from Calif. acted like 
he shat his pants when I told him that destroying telecom equipment is a 
felony.  I don't know for sure if our legal department will do anything 
as I don't own the business anymore, just work there.  But watching the 
expression on his face was a good feeling!


On 3/9/21 7:34 PM, James Howard wrote:


My 3 year old who’s wearing it doesn’t need to worry about that.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 8:59 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

That would be a good one of you were asking fbi to look into felonies 
with potential domestic terror undertones (as low as that bar is set 
right now)


On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 7:47 PM James Howard > wrote:


Are you referring to a red version of a hat like this?

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 6:24 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

not a joke, but if you can get an image of any of those involved
in a particular red hat, FBI may actually take it up.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 6:22 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

guido sarduci. he will ensue recompense.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 5:13 PM Jan Van Kort
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

It was more than 10 years on that property, the company
has changed hands 4 times since I built it(the tower).
We're now a utility company and provide electric and
telecom to a large portion of the county. Two owners back
the operators were real dicks and stole all the good
stuff.  We bought it (the wireless company) back and
upgraded the service with new stuff and more bandwidth.

But just the same, FCC stickers on telecom equipment
always say it's a felony.  Just wondering if anyone has
ever had to file a complaint?  And who to?

GAMs

On 3/9/21 2:37 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

I think that if you're talking about the power
allocated through stickers, the battle is already lost.

Who owned the tower? Was it clear in the contract? As
in that case they should have no permission to make
any changes to it. Was it fenced in or otherwise had
real access control?

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 3:51 PM Jan-GAMs
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

Hey, we had a tower agreement that included a 60
day notice.  We found
the tower offline on our monitor system and went
to investigate.
Someone had taken the guts out of the controller
and threw them into the
weeds in the rain and had started removing the
tower.  It was a 3 legged
ham-radio tower 34ft model.  The property owner
had sent a weirdly
worded email just hours before about having her
crew rehabilitate our
tower.  How successful are the warning stickers
about tampering with
telecommunications being a felony?  Has anyone
ever enforced that?

GAMS


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Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[Josh Luthman]

Who's your rep?

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:12 AM Jan Van Kort 
wrote:

> I placed an order last week for those crimpers and plugs, from streakwave,
> I haven't seen an acknowledgement of the order and the package hasn't shown
> up at my door yet.  Amazon would have done both by now.
> On 3/3/21 2:26 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>
> Thanks TJ,
>
> I am more interested in repeatable quality than saving a bit on a
> connector that is .39 at Streakwave but if they really are the same I might
> be interested down the road.  I've know the Shireen guys since they
> started, they are right down the road from our Baltimore office, and they
> have always been really good about QC.  I kind of like the idea of using
> their cable and connector.  Any issues and I can just drop off a bag of cut
> off ends and ask them to figure out what the issue is.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:05 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Every RJ45 mentioned in this thread so far actually come from the same
>> factory, we buy them from the factory direct in bulk. If you can buy 1,000
>> pcs or more and want to save a bit hit me off  the list.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:38 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.streakwave.com/platinum-tools-100054c-ez-rj-pro-hd-crimp-tool
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 4:29 PM Carl Peterson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This one?

 https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/crimper-tool-for-rj45-rj11-rj12

 On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:49 PM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Tried to find that this morning to put in our wiki, actually.  I got
> it from Streakwave.  My guy is out of the office today, though.  And the
> website is broken if you search crimper.
>
> If you need it right away just call someone at Streakwave and ask for
> crimpers.  If there are multiple options, ask what Imagine Networks has
> been buying.  The new ones are blue.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:58 PM Carl Peterson <
> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Josh,
>>
>> Any chance you could send the info on the tool you are using with
>> them?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:19 PM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 100% Shireen smartfeed connectors.  I think they made the tool,
>>> too.  It nearly eliminated our rj45/cat5 problems.  At least 99% 
>>> resolved
>>> I'd say.
>>>
>>> We tried Arc/Ubnt/Netonix in the past.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:06 PM Carl Peterson <
>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>
 We currently use 2061 dies in regular crimp frames.  Debating
 buying new dies vs moving to something else.  Looking for something as
 tech-proof as possible that doesn't rely on them knowing how much to
 squeeze.  Any favorites out there?  Any favorites on Shielded RJ45s?  
 We
 currently use the Netonix ones.

 We have been seeing a lot more ethernet cabling issues as of late.
 Trying to figure out why that is and prevent it.


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Re: [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

AF5X-HD or AF11X if you want to stay in the UBNT ecosystem.
Personally, I'd do 11X because the channel widths needed for backhaul are 
better used in PTMP 5ghz.  11X will get you 500-600mbps at that distance.
If you need more speed, I'd look at Aviat 11Ghz.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jan Van Kort
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:04 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?


We're using PowerBeam 5AC ISO for our links between towers.  Is there a higher 
capacity choice available yet?  Our longest links are about 6-7 miles.

GAMs
On 3/9/21 7:34 PM, James Howard wrote:
My 3 year old who's wearing it doesn't need to worry about that.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 8:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

That would be a good one of you were asking fbi to look into felonies with 
potential domestic terror undertones (as low as that bar is set right now)

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 7:47 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Are you referring to a red version of a hat like this?



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 6:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

not a joke, but if you can get an image of any of those involved in a 
particular red hat, FBI may actually take it up.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 6:22 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
guido sarduci. he will ensue recompense.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 5:13 PM Jan Van Kort 
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

It was more than 10 years on that property, the company has changed hands 4 
times since I built it(the tower). We're now a utility company and provide 
electric and telecom to a large portion of the county. Two owners back the 
operators were real dicks and stole all the good stuff.  We bought it (the 
wireless company) back and upgraded the service with new stuff and more 
bandwidth.

But just the same, FCC stickers on telecom equipment always say it's a felony.  
Just wondering if anyone has ever had to file a complaint?  And who to?

GAMs
On 3/9/21 2:37 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
I think that if you're talking about the power allocated through stickers, the 
battle is already lost.

Who owned the tower? Was it clear in the contract? As in that case they should 
have no permission to make any changes to it. Was it fenced in or otherwise had 
real access control?


On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 3:51 PM Jan-GAMs 
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:
Hey, we had a tower agreement that included a 60 day notice.  We found
the tower offline on our monitor system and went to investigate.
Someone had taken the guts out of the controller and threw them into the
weeds in the rain and had started removing the tower.  It was a 3 legged
ham-radio tower 34ft model.  The property owner had sent a weirdly
worded email just hours before about having her crew rehabilitate our
tower.  How successful are the warning stickers about tampering with
telecommunications being a felony?  Has anyone ever enforced that?

GAMS


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Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[Jan Van Kort]

I placed an order last week for those crimpers and plugs, from 
streakwave, I haven't seen an acknowledgement of the order and the 
package hasn't shown up at my door yet.  Amazon would have done both by now.


On 3/3/21 2:26 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:

Thanks TJ,

I am more interested in repeatable quality than saving a bit on a 
connector that is .39 at Streakwave but if they really are the same I 
might be interested down the road.  I've know the Shireen guys since 
they started, they are right down the road from our Baltimore office, 
and they have always been really good about QC.  I kind of like the 
idea of using their cable and connector.  Any issues and I can just 
drop off a bag of cut off ends and ask them to figure out what the 
issue is.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:05 PM TJ Trout > wrote:


Every RJ45 mentioned in this thread so far actually come from the
same factory, we buy them from the factory direct in bulk. If you
can buy 1,000 pcs or more and want to save a bit hit me off  the
list.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:38 PM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:


https://www.streakwave.com/platinum-tools-100054c-ez-rj-pro-hd-crimp-tool



On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 4:29 PM Carl Peterson
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:

This one?

https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/crimper-tool-for-rj45-rj11-rj12


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:49 PM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Tried to find that this morning to put in our wiki,
actually.  I got it from Streakwave.  My guy is out of
the office today, though.  And the website is broken
if you search crimper.

If you need it right away just call someone at
Streakwave and ask for crimpers.  If there are
multiple options, ask what Imagine Networks has been
buying.  The new ones are blue.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:58 PM Carl Peterson
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:

Thanks Josh,

Any chance you could send the info on the tool you
are using with them?


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:19 PM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

100% Shireen smartfeed connectors.  I think
they made the tool, too.  It nearly eliminated
our rj45/cat5 problems.  At least 99% resolved
I'd say.

We tried Arc/Ubnt/Netonix in the past.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:06 PM Carl Peterson
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:

We currently use 2061 dies in regular
crimp frames. Debating buying new dies vs
moving to something else.  Looking for
something as tech-proof as possible that
doesn't rely on them knowing how much to
squeeze.  Any favorites out there?  Any
favorites on Shielded RJ45s?  We
currently use the Netonix ones.

We have been seeing a lot more ethernet
cabling issues as of late.  Trying to
figure out why that is and prevent it.


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401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

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[AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?

[Jan Van Kort]

We're using PowerBeam 5AC ISO for our links between towers.  Is there a 
higher capacity choice available yet?  Our longest links are about 6-7 
miles.


GAMs

On 3/9/21 7:34 PM, James Howard wrote:


My 3 year old who’s wearing it doesn’t need to worry about that.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 8:59 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

That would be a good one of you were asking fbi to look into felonies 
with potential domestic terror undertones (as low as that bar is set 
right now)


On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 7:47 PM James Howard > wrote:


Are you referring to a red version of a hat like this?

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 6:24 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

not a joke, but if you can get an image of any of those involved
in a particular red hat, FBI may actually take it up.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 6:22 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

guido sarduci. he will ensue recompense.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 5:13 PM Jan Van Kort
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

It was more than 10 years on that property, the company
has changed hands 4 times since I built it(the tower).
We're now a utility company and provide electric and
telecom to a large portion of the county. Two owners back
the operators were real dicks and stole all the good
stuff.  We bought it (the wireless company) back and
upgraded the service with new stuff and more bandwidth.

But just the same, FCC stickers on telecom equipment
always say it's a felony.  Just wondering if anyone has
ever had to file a complaint?  And who to?

GAMs

On 3/9/21 2:37 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

I think that if you're talking about the power
allocated through stickers, the battle is already lost.

Who owned the tower? Was it clear in the contract? As
in that case they should have no permission to make
any changes to it. Was it fenced in or otherwise had
real access control?

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 3:51 PM Jan-GAMs
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

Hey, we had a tower agreement that included a 60
day notice.  We found
the tower offline on our monitor system and went
to investigate.
Someone had taken the guts out of the controller
and threw them into the
weeds in the rain and had started removing the
tower.  It was a 3 legged
ham-radio tower 34ft model.  The property owner
had sent a weirdly
worded email just hours before about having her
crew rehabilitate our
tower.  How successful are the warning stickers
about tampering with
telecommunications being a felony?  Has anyone
ever enforced that?

GAMS


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