Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[Josh Luthman]

The ones we use have a flat blade to replace dykes and then there's a round
bit so you can get the jacket off.  Works perfectly on Shireen cable.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 11:57 AM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

> PITA!  Crimpers EZ-RJPRO and EZ-RJ45 P/N 100023C
>
> Those crimpers arrived along with a box of pull-through plugs with cable
> support brackets.  I found getting the wires past the cable-support bracket
> to be such a pain I bent the bracket out of the way.  Then I found getting
> the once aligned wires (not EZ) into the crimper with the plug another time
> consuming task as I had to cut the wires shorter just past the plug end.
> The razor missed part of the two outer wires, so this function too is not
> very good.  Then I found using the round crimp slot to crimp the
> bracket/cable support was not a good idea as it has a razor in the middle.
> Then in addition to all the above, there's no good place to fasten a ground
> wire onto the new plugs.  I reverted back to using the old non-pull-through
> plugs and the new crimpers just for crimping.
>
> So then I found that since the round hole has a razor in the middle it
> must be for cutting the jacket off, it cuts into the wires too.  So all
> those razor blades aren't useful at all.  Just the racheting crimp part of
> the tool, it assures a correct amount of crimp and it doesn't wobble.  At
> least my old crimper was useful in scoring the jacket for removal.  Only
> works for some lan cables, not all.
>
> I still will have to carry: Crimpers, flush-cutting dykes, rotating
> jacket-cutter, needle-nose plyers for crimping the ground wire.  I guess it
> was too much to hope for in getting all of that in one tool.
>
> Gams
> On 3/10/21 7:10 AM, Jan Van Kort wrote:
>
> I placed an order last week for those crimpers and plugs, from streakwave,
> I haven't seen an acknowledgement of the order and the package hasn't shown
> up at my door yet.  Amazon would have done both by now.
> On 3/3/21 2:26 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>
> Thanks TJ,
>
> I am more interested in repeatable quality than saving a bit on a
> connector that is .39 at Streakwave but if they really are the same I might
> be interested down the road.  I've know the Shireen guys since they
> started, they are right down the road from our Baltimore office, and they
> have always been really good about QC.  I kind of like the idea of using
> their cable and connector.  Any issues and I can just drop off a bag of cut
> off ends and ask them to figure out what the issue is.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:05 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Every RJ45 mentioned in this thread so far actually come from the same
>> factory, we buy them from the factory direct in bulk. If you can buy 1,000
>> pcs or more and want to save a bit hit me off  the list.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:38 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.streakwave.com/platinum-tools-100054c-ez-rj-pro-hd-crimp-tool
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 4:29 PM Carl Peterson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This one?

 https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/crimper-tool-for-rj45-rj11-rj12

 On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:49 PM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Tried to find that this morning to put in our wiki, actually.  I got
> it from Streakwave.  My guy is out of the office today, though.  And the
> website is broken if you search crimper.
>
> If you need it right away just call someone at Streakwave and ask for
> crimpers.  If there are multiple options, ask what Imagine Networks has
> been buying.  The new ones are blue.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:58 PM Carl Peterson <
> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Josh,
>>
>> Any chance you could send the info on the tool you are using with
>> them?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:19 PM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 100% Shireen smartfeed connectors.  I think they made the tool,
>>> too.  It nearly eliminated our rj45/cat5 problems.  At least 99% 
>>> resolved
>>> I'd say.
>>>
>>> We tried Arc/Ubnt/Netonix in the past.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:06 PM Carl Peterson <
>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>
 We currently use 2061 dies in regular crimp frames.  Debating
 buying new dies vs moving to something else.  Looking for something as
 tech-proof as possible that doesn't rely on them knowing how much to
 squeeze.  Any favorites out there?  Any favorites on Shielded RJ45s?  
>>

Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[Jan-GAMs]

Getting the wires into the plugs is not easy, it was a complete PITA.  
They (wires) would keep catching on something inside the plug.  Other 
issue is getting them to go through and stay in the correct order.  The 
only feature I liked about it was the jacket pushes into the connector 
further allowing its capture once crimped to be better.  My normal time 
to make a connector with ground wire is under 5 minutes and I'm old with 
arthritis.  This pull-thru gizmo took many tries and over half an hour.  
I put the Ubiquiti connector on the other end, simply because it's not 
such a PITA!


gams

On 3/17/21 9:22 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

pass thru connectors exist with many grounding termination options..

 you can twist the wires if you're having trouble getting the wires to 
go past the blade before crimping.


really it's just a matter of getting used to a new process.

It's a superior termination and it's faster, everyone should use them.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 8:57 AM Jan-GAMs > wrote:


PITA!  Crimpers EZ-RJPRO and EZ-RJ45 P/N 100023C

Those crimpers arrived along with a box of pull-through plugs with
cable support brackets.  I found getting the wires past the
cable-support bracket to be such a pain I bent the bracket out of
the way.  Then I found getting the once aligned wires (not EZ)
into the crimper with the plug another time consuming task as I
had to cut the wires shorter just past the plug end.  The razor
missed part of the two outer wires, so this function too is not
very good.  Then I found using the round crimp slot to crimp the
bracket/cable support was not a good idea as it has a razor in the
middle.  Then in addition to all the above, there's no good place
to fasten a ground wire onto the new plugs.  I reverted back to
using the old non-pull-through plugs and the new crimpers just for
crimping.

So then I found that since the round hole has a razor in the
middle it must be for cutting the jacket off, it cuts into the
wires too.  So all those razor blades aren't useful at all.  Just
the racheting crimp part of the tool, it assures a correct amount
of crimp and it doesn't wobble.  At least my old crimper was
useful in scoring the jacket for removal.  Only works for some lan
cables, not all.

I still will have to carry: Crimpers, flush-cutting dykes,
rotating jacket-cutter, needle-nose plyers for crimping the ground
wire.  I guess it was too much to hope for in getting all of that
in one tool.

Gams

On 3/10/21 7:10 AM, Jan Van Kort wrote:


I placed an order last week for those crimpers and plugs, from
streakwave, I haven't seen an acknowledgement of the order and
the package hasn't shown up at my door yet.  Amazon would have
done both by now.

On 3/3/21 2:26 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:

Thanks TJ,

I am more interested in repeatable quality than saving a bit on
a connector that is .39 at Streakwave but if they really are the
same I might be interested down the road.  I've know the Shireen
guys since they started, they are right down the road from our
Baltimore office, and they have always been really good about
QC.  I kind of like the idea of using their cable and
connector.  Any issues and I can just drop off a bag of cut off
ends and ask them to figure out what the issue is.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:05 PM TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:

Every RJ45 mentioned in this thread so far actually come
from the same factory, we buy them from the factory direct
in bulk. If you can buy 1,000 pcs or more and want to save a
bit hit me off  the list.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:38 PM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


https://www.streakwave.com/platinum-tools-100054c-ez-rj-pro-hd-crimp-tool



On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 4:29 PM Carl Peterson
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:

This one?

https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/crimper-tool-for-rj45-rj11-rj12


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:49 PM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Tried to find that this morning to put in our
wiki, actually. I got it from Streakwave.  My
guy is out of the office today, though.  And the
website is broken if you search crimper.

If you need it right away just call someone at
Streakwave and ask for crimpers.  If there are
multiple options, ask what Imagine Networks has
been buying.  The new ones are blue.

Jos

Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[TJ Trout]

pass thru connectors exist with many grounding termination options..

 you can twist the wires if you're having trouble getting the wires to go
past the blade before crimping.

really it's just a matter of getting used to a new process.

It's a superior termination and it's faster, everyone should use them.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 8:57 AM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

> PITA!  Crimpers EZ-RJPRO and EZ-RJ45 P/N 100023C
>
> Those crimpers arrived along with a box of pull-through plugs with cable
> support brackets.  I found getting the wires past the cable-support bracket
> to be such a pain I bent the bracket out of the way.  Then I found getting
> the once aligned wires (not EZ) into the crimper with the plug another time
> consuming task as I had to cut the wires shorter just past the plug end.
> The razor missed part of the two outer wires, so this function too is not
> very good.  Then I found using the round crimp slot to crimp the
> bracket/cable support was not a good idea as it has a razor in the middle.
> Then in addition to all the above, there's no good place to fasten a ground
> wire onto the new plugs.  I reverted back to using the old non-pull-through
> plugs and the new crimpers just for crimping.
>
> So then I found that since the round hole has a razor in the middle it
> must be for cutting the jacket off, it cuts into the wires too.  So all
> those razor blades aren't useful at all.  Just the racheting crimp part of
> the tool, it assures a correct amount of crimp and it doesn't wobble.  At
> least my old crimper was useful in scoring the jacket for removal.  Only
> works for some lan cables, not all.
>
> I still will have to carry: Crimpers, flush-cutting dykes, rotating
> jacket-cutter, needle-nose plyers for crimping the ground wire.  I guess it
> was too much to hope for in getting all of that in one tool.
>
> Gams
> On 3/10/21 7:10 AM, Jan Van Kort wrote:
>
> I placed an order last week for those crimpers and plugs, from streakwave,
> I haven't seen an acknowledgement of the order and the package hasn't shown
> up at my door yet.  Amazon would have done both by now.
> On 3/3/21 2:26 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>
> Thanks TJ,
>
> I am more interested in repeatable quality than saving a bit on a
> connector that is .39 at Streakwave but if they really are the same I might
> be interested down the road.  I've know the Shireen guys since they
> started, they are right down the road from our Baltimore office, and they
> have always been really good about QC.  I kind of like the idea of using
> their cable and connector.  Any issues and I can just drop off a bag of cut
> off ends and ask them to figure out what the issue is.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:05 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Every RJ45 mentioned in this thread so far actually come from the same
>> factory, we buy them from the factory direct in bulk. If you can buy 1,000
>> pcs or more and want to save a bit hit me off  the list.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:38 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.streakwave.com/platinum-tools-100054c-ez-rj-pro-hd-crimp-tool
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 4:29 PM Carl Peterson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This one?

 https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/crimper-tool-for-rj45-rj11-rj12

 On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:49 PM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Tried to find that this morning to put in our wiki, actually.  I got
> it from Streakwave.  My guy is out of the office today, though.  And the
> website is broken if you search crimper.
>
> If you need it right away just call someone at Streakwave and ask for
> crimpers.  If there are multiple options, ask what Imagine Networks has
> been buying.  The new ones are blue.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:58 PM Carl Peterson <
> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Josh,
>>
>> Any chance you could send the info on the tool you are using with
>> them?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:19 PM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 100% Shireen smartfeed connectors.  I think they made the tool,
>>> too.  It nearly eliminated our rj45/cat5 problems.  At least 99% 
>>> resolved
>>> I'd say.
>>>
>>> We tried Arc/Ubnt/Netonix in the past.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:06 PM Carl Peterson <
>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>
 We currently use 2061 dies in regular crimp frames.  Debating
 buying new dies vs moving to something else.  Looking for something as
 tech-proof as possible that doesn't rely on them knowing how much to
 squeeze.  Any favo

Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

[Steve Jones]

I will pull full, extended pcaps at our edge router for the customer IP and
at the nearest network router for the customer and send them to them to
relay to their techs. At that point I require them to show where THEIR VPN
is failing, as they control both end points. This is after due diligence on
our network. Its almost always an end user issue, or junk IT staff that
misconfigured something somewhere. It is not the IT staff place to wash
their hands of their responsibility to the staff. I courteously relay that
to the customer. I let the customer know that until the IT does their due
diligence and identifies the VPN component failure, we cannot do anything.
I have them take their device off our network and bring up the VPN to see
if it is, in fact only happening on our network. At that point until the IT
staff does their job and provides detailed VPN server/client logs and
details of the VPN, there is nothing further we can do. Getting the staff
member (who is now non productive) directing their concern in the right
direction, at the IT staff, to their supervisors is pretty successful for
me.

It used to always be ALG in the old dlinks, Microsoft is running scared
right now that they are perceived to be not secure, god only knows what
theyre up to if its a software client VPN, Or its an IT douche who
"secures" the VPN by IP without bothering to ensure the client is on a
static IP, I love that one.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:48 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> "We can't support someone else's service.  If they can narrow down what
> the issue exactly is we can help but without any information there's
> nothing we can do, it's encrypted to keep us from being able to do
> anything."
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 11:43 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Well that is the issue.  Could be anything.  Been working fine since
>> June.  I have many many more people using VPN's with no issues.
>>
>> But there is an issue on her link.  This is a fiber link BTW.  Her
>> Internet works fine.
>>
>> Her IT guys have washed their hands of it, pushing it all on me.  Not
>> sure how I'm going to figure it out being I don't know what appliance she
>> is using yet.  Even when I get that info, I'll have no access to it.  Doubt
>> they are going to give me admin privileges on their equipment.  Also, I
>> don't get the opportunity to see what errors are showing up on server logs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
>> --
>>
>> Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 11:27:35 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would suspect maybe segmentation issues. Sometimes segment boundaries
>> can mess with a VPN.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>> On 3/17/2021 7:50 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
>>
>> I  have  a  customer  that  has  some type of VPN router device on our
>> system.   Her VPN isn't working anymore.  Her Internet is fine.  I did
>> a  packet  capture  for her IT guys and sent it to them.  Their answer
>> is  the  usual  "It's  your  ISPs fault".  I'm not a VPN expert, but I
>> attached the filtered packet dump.  Looks like things are talking back
>> and forth.  Any issues anyone can see?
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com
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Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[Jan-GAMs]

PITA!  Crimpers EZ-RJPRO and EZ-RJ45 P/N 100023C

Those crimpers arrived along with a box of pull-through plugs with cable 
support brackets.  I found getting the wires past the cable-support 
bracket to be such a pain I bent the bracket out of the way.  Then I 
found getting the once aligned wires (not EZ) into the crimper with the 
plug another time consuming task as I had to cut the wires shorter just 
past the plug end.  The razor missed part of the two outer wires, so 
this function too is not very good.  Then I found using the round crimp 
slot to crimp the bracket/cable support was not a good idea as it has a 
razor in the middle.  Then in addition to all the above, there's no good 
place to fasten a ground wire onto the new plugs.  I reverted back to 
using the old non-pull-through plugs and the new crimpers just for crimping.


So then I found that since the round hole has a razor in the middle it 
must be for cutting the jacket off, it cuts into the wires too.  So all 
those razor blades aren't useful at all.  Just the racheting crimp part 
of the tool, it assures a correct amount of crimp and it doesn't 
wobble.  At least my old crimper was useful in scoring the jacket for 
removal.  Only works for some lan cables, not all.


I still will have to carry: Crimpers, flush-cutting dykes, rotating 
jacket-cutter, needle-nose plyers for crimping the ground wire.  I guess 
it was too much to hope for in getting all of that in one tool.


Gams

On 3/10/21 7:10 AM, Jan Van Kort wrote:


I placed an order last week for those crimpers and plugs, from 
streakwave, I haven't seen an acknowledgement of the order and the 
package hasn't shown up at my door yet.  Amazon would have done both 
by now.


On 3/3/21 2:26 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:

Thanks TJ,

I am more interested in repeatable quality than saving a bit on a 
connector that is .39 at Streakwave but if they really are the same I 
might be interested down the road. I've know the Shireen guys since 
they started, they are right down the road from our Baltimore office, 
and they have always been really good about QC.  I kind of like the 
idea of using their cable and connector.  Any issues and I can just 
drop off a bag of cut off ends and ask them to figure out what the 
issue is.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:05 PM TJ Trout > wrote:


Every RJ45 mentioned in this thread so far actually come from the
same factory, we buy them from the factory direct in bulk. If you
can buy 1,000 pcs or more and want to save a bit hit me off  the
list.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:38 PM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


https://www.streakwave.com/platinum-tools-100054c-ez-rj-pro-hd-crimp-tool



On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 4:29 PM Carl Peterson
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:

This one?

https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/crimper-tool-for-rj45-rj11-rj12


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:49 PM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Tried to find that this morning to put in our wiki,
actually.  I got it from Streakwave.  My guy is out
of the office today, though.  And the website is
broken if you search crimper.

If you need it right away just call someone at
Streakwave and ask for crimpers. If there are
multiple options, ask what Imagine Networks has been
buying.  The new ones are blue.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:58 PM Carl Peterson
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:

Thanks Josh,

Any chance you could send the info on the tool
you are using with them?


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:19 PM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

100% Shireen smartfeed connectors.  I think
they made the tool, too.  It nearly
eliminated our rj45/cat5 problems.  At least
99% resolved I'd say.

We tried Arc/Ubnt/Netonix in the past.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:06 PM Carl Peterson
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.co

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google

[Steven Kenney]

Well this is a case of combining a lot of people into 1 system who are used to 
their own systems. So some people prefer Google some prefer Microsoft and I 
need to be the voice of reason and break it down for all to see. So the 
decision will be clear. 


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From: "Darin Steffl"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 12:28:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google 

We love Google apps going on 9 years now. I've never been a fan of Microsoft. 

We also use slack but if Microsoft includes much of the functionality of slack 
and zoom in their offerings, it may be worth looking into for someone wanting 
to switch. 

We love Google too much and have very few pain points so there is nothing 
driving us to even research an alternative. 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 3:41 PM David Coudron < [ 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com | david.coud...@advantenon.com ] > wrote: 





We work with a number of mid to enterprise sized corporate clients as part of 
our consulting practice. Within those communities, Google’s toolset holds a 
very small piece of the market, if even countable. Microsoft’s toolset, (Office 
365 with Exchange, Teams, Sharepoint, Outlook, etc) seems to be very stable and 
very secure. These organizations spend a lot of time looking at these kinds of 
things. 



Additionally, these same organizations are moving their applications 
environments to AWS and Azure in large volume. We are seeing healthcare 
organizations handling HIPAA and HITRUST requirements as well as strong PCI 
requirement driven movement. While we don’t have data points for these kinds of 
movements, we are not seeing much push to move towards Google. This same 
movement is pushing down to smaller and smaller organizations all the time. We 
recently had a client with 3 employees move from Google to Microsoft’s Office 
365 as they struggled with some of the gaps in the Google offering. 



The Teams client has been problematic as I understand it, however, for a year, 
our consultants feel it surpasses Zoom and Webex. We don’t see enough of Google 
Meet for that to even be a comparison. A big benefit to Teams is that includes 
the functionality of Slack (for the most part), Zoom, and shared file 
systems/repositories. Additionally it is integrated into Outlook very well. 



All this being said, there are always reasons for organizations to pick another 
option. My wife’s firm has been using Google for 6-7 years, but they are 
actively looking to move towards Microsoft, just hard to pull the trigger like 
that in a year like 2020. There are several reasons, not the least of which 
are: 

1. You get an Office apps license for users that you pay extra for. It is 
lots easier then managing separate Office and Google app licenses. 
2. You get 1 TB of drive storage for each user allowing them to back up 
their computer hard drives without having to purchase another license for 
something to do that. 
3. No need to have Slack and Teams, can do it all in Teams (they had this 
before Hangout was mature enough) 
4. No need to have Zoom and Teams can do it all in Teams (they had this 
before Meet was mature enough) 




Honestly, we really don’t see any 40 person organizations move to Google from 
Office365. It is always the other way around. But obviously that is just our 
experience so take that for what it’s worth. (not much 😊 ) 



Regards, 



David Coudron 




From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:18 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google 





microsoft all the way. slower to adopt new toy tech, longer support of outdated 
endpoints, stodgy old goats are reliable old goats. The whole current security 
issue is a nothingburger to me as I assume google just never comes clean 





On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 12:48 PM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org 
| st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



You have a choice of moving your office applications, all of its documents, 
email server , video conferencing, project management and other applications 
from on prem to cloud based. 





Which one do you choose? 





One will cost more than the other for sure. 


One allows you to join a domain via Azure AD and set policies and remote manage 
computers 


One will be better to bounce SSO and auth off. 


One is more reliable than the other. 


One is more trustworthy than the other (alth

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google

[Steven Kenney]

Such useful information. Thanks. I've been breaking down the apples to apples 
and and the only thing making me lean toward MS is the Azure AD angle. This way 
I can manage all the Windows machines and they all have one login for pretty 
much everything. That being said going Google its just one browser login for 
everything. 

Just my experience with Microsoft has been a clown show. I don't trust Google 
an inch, but a lot of what they built was on the backs of open source and 
interoperability so I respect that. 




From: "David Coudron"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 4:40:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google 



We work with a number of mid to enterprise sized corporate clients as part of 
our consulting practice. Within those communities, Google’s toolset holds a 
very small piece of the market, if even countable. Microsoft’s toolset, (Office 
365 with Exchange, Teams, Sharepoint, Outlook, etc) seems to be very stable and 
very secure. These organizations spend a lot of time looking at these kinds of 
things. 



Additionally, these same organizations are moving their applications 
environments to AWS and Azure in large volume. We are seeing healthcare 
organizations handling HIPAA and HITRUST requirements as well as strong PCI 
requirement driven movement. While we don’t have data points for these kinds of 
movements, we are not seeing much push to move towards Google. This same 
movement is pushing down to smaller and smaller organizations all the time. We 
recently had a client with 3 employees move from Google to Microsoft’s Office 
365 as they struggled with some of the gaps in the Google offering. 



The Teams client has been problematic as I understand it, however, for a year, 
our consultants feel it surpasses Zoom and Webex. We don’t see enough of Google 
Meet for that to even be a comparison. A big benefit to Teams is that includes 
the functionality of Slack (for the most part), Zoom, and shared file 
systems/repositories. Additionally it is integrated into Outlook very well. 



All this being said, there are always reasons for organizations to pick another 
option. My wife’s firm has been using Google for 6-7 years, but they are 
actively looking to move towards Microsoft, just hard to pull the trigger like 
that in a year like 2020. There are several reasons, not the least of which 
are: 

1. You get an Office apps license for users that you pay extra for. It is 
lots easier then managing separate Office and Google app licenses. 
2. You get 1 TB of drive storage for each user allowing them to back up 
their computer hard drives without having to purchase another license for 
something to do that. 
3. No need to have Slack and Teams, can do it all in Teams (they had this 
before Hangout was mature enough) 
4. No need to have Zoom and Teams can do it all in Teams (they had this 
before Meet was mature enough) 




Honestly, we really don’t see any 40 person organizations move to Google from 
Office365. It is always the other way around. But obviously that is just our 
experience so take that for what it’s worth. (not much 😊 ) 



Regards, 



David Coudron 




From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:18 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google 





microsoft all the way. slower to adopt new toy tech, longer support of outdated 
endpoints, stodgy old goats are reliable old goats. The whole current security 
issue is a nothingburger to me as I assume google just never comes clean 





On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 12:48 PM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org 
| st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 





You have a choice of moving your office applications, all of its documents, 
email server , video conferencing, project management and other applications 
from on prem to cloud based. 





Which one do you choose? 





One will cost more than the other for sure. 


One allows you to join a domain via Azure AD and set policies and remote manage 
computers 


One will be better to bounce SSO and auth off. 


One is more reliable than the other. 


One is more trustworthy than the other (although both are deep in government 
and alphabet agencies). 


One offers a nicer user experience for less technical people. IE: more 
accessible / user friendly 


One offers a more granular experience for more technical people. 


One is more compatible with a wide variety of hardware and software operating 
systems 








Consider this for a staff of 40 people half of which are technical half which 
are not as technical. 





Which route would you go? 








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Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

[Josh Luthman]

"We can't support someone else's service.  If they can narrow down what the
issue exactly is we can help but without any information there's nothing we
can do, it's encrypted to keep us from being able to do anything."

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On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 11:43 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Well that is the issue.  Could be anything.  Been working fine since
> June.  I have many many more people using VPN's with no issues.
>
> But there is an issue on her link.  This is a fiber link BTW.  Her
> Internet works fine.
>
> Her IT guys have washed their hands of it, pushing it all on me.  Not sure
> how I'm going to figure it out being I don't know what appliance she is
> using yet.  Even when I get that info, I'll have no access to it.  Doubt
> they are going to give me admin privileges on their equipment.  Also, I
> don't get the opportunity to see what errors are showing up on server logs.
>
>
>
>
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> Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 11:27:35 AM, you wrote:
>
>
> I would suspect maybe segmentation issues. Sometimes segment boundaries
> can mess with a VPN.
>
> bp
> 
> On 3/17/2021 7:50 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
>
> I  have  a  customer  that  has  some type of VPN router device on our
> system.   Her VPN isn't working anymore.  Her Internet is fine.  I did
> a  packet  capture  for her IT guys and sent it to them.  Their answer
> is  the  usual  "It's  your  ISPs fault".  I'm not a VPN expert, but I
> attached the filtered packet dump.  Looks like things are talking back
> and forth.  Any issues anyone can see?
>
>
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> Thanks,
> Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com 
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Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?

[fiberrun]

If you are fine with second hand equipment, take a look at the Arista 7060 
series. $1-2k on eBay and comes with 6 to 64 100G ports and/or 2 to 258 10G 
ports depending on the model.


- Jared
 
 
 

Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 
From: "Tushar Patel" 
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?

Thank you. I will try to get that.
 
Tushar
 
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel P
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 7:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?
 

I would suggest the Cisco 93180,  I am sure its too many ports for your needs 
it would give tons of room to expand.  the 48x sfp+ also support 25G.   We have 
dozens of them in use moving hundreds of gbps of traffic.  on the used market 
you should find them 3-5k
 

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 3:45 AM Tushar Patel 
mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com]> wrote:

Can you give some model numbers please, I looked few Cisco like 504, they were 
like $30,000 on CDW. 

 

I have no experience with Juniper, can you suggest the model jumber please, 
what should I expect to pay for such switch?

 

Have you used fs.com[http://fs.com] switches? How long have you used them and 
do they work reliably?

Tushar

 

 
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mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com]> wrote:



Lots of options there, Cisco Nexus, Juniper QFX among others.  FS.com has some 
decent ones too.
 
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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]> on behalf of 
Tushar Patel mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com]>
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 8:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com[mailto:af@af.afmug.com] 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com]>
Subject: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?
One of the provider is trying to deliver 100 gig NNI connection to minimize the 
cross connect cost in the data center, so looking for
Looking for 1 or 2 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ports.

Any suggestions on such switch?

Tushar



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Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?

[Steve Jones]

when you get to the higher sfp count, do the electronics dictate that the
switches have to be so deep?

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:33 AM Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> WE have some on our DC, no problems so far.
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Tushar Patel <
> tpa...@ecpi.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 6:04 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?
>
> *N5860-48SC, that looks very reasonable in price. $3500*
>
>
>
>
> https://www.fs.com/products/110478.html?currency=USD&paid=google_shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0caCBhCIARIsAGAfuMye1UYxoCavR3iwTBTqQsbmy6EQLlwmoqdA16uOpHxGSUTgMZyLEgwaAiegEALw_wcB
>
>
>
> I don’t need so many sfp+ ports oh well
>
>
>
> How much would I expect to pay for Juniper for such configuration?
>
>
>
>
>
> Tushar
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2021, at 4:45 AM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
>
> Can you give some model numbers please, I looked few Cisco like 504, they
> were like $30,000 on CDW.
>
>
>
> I have no experience with Juniper, can you suggest the model jumber
> please, what should I expect to pay for such switch?
>
>
>
> Have you used fs.com switches? How long have you used them and do they
> work reliably?
>
> Tushar
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Lots of options there, Cisco Nexus, Juniper QFX among others.  FS.com has
> some decent ones too.
>
>
>
> *Gino** Villarini *
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Tushar Patel <
> tpa...@ecpi.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 8:11 PM
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?
>
> One of the provider is trying to deliver 100 gig NNI connection to
> minimize the cross connect cost in the data center, so looking for
> Looking for 1 or 2 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ports.
>
> Any suggestions on such switch?
>
> Tushar
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Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google

[Steven Kenney]

That I 100% agree with. Google can totally get away with breaches and failures. 
I'm willing to bet there are a multitude. They have people locked down so tight 
there it literally is like working for the CIA. I remember the one guy who 
tried to come out and whistleblow about google and they crucified this guy for 
life. 


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From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 4:17:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google 

microsoft all the way. slower to adopt new toy tech, longer support of outdated 
endpoints, stodgy old goats are reliable old goats. The whole current security 
issue is a nothingburger to me as I assume google just never comes clean 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 12:48 PM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org 
| st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 



You have a choice of moving your office applications, all of its documents, 
email server , video conferencing, project management and other applications 
from on prem to cloud based. 

Which one do you choose? 

One will cost more than the other for sure. 
One allows you to join a domain via Azure AD and set policies and remote manage 
computers 
One will be better to bounce SSO and auth off. 
One is more reliable than the other. 
One is more trustworthy than the other (although both are deep in government 
and alphabet agencies). 
One offers a nicer user experience for less technical people. IE: more 
accessible / user friendly 
One offers a more granular experience for more technical people. 
One is more compatible with a wide variety of hardware and software operating 
systems 


Consider this for a staff of 40 people half of which are technical half which 
are not as technical. 

Which route would you go? 


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[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
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Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues


Bill,

Well that is the issue.  Could be anything.  Been working fine since June.  I have many many more people using VPN's with no issues.

But there is an issue on her link.  This is a fiber link BTW.  Her Internet works fine.

Her IT guys have washed their hands of it, pushing it all on me.  Not sure how I'm going to figure it out being I don't know what appliance she is using yet.  Even when I get that info, I'll have no access to it.  Doubt they are going to give me admin privileges on their equipment.  Also, I don't get the opportunity to see what errors are showing up on server logs.

  


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I would suspect maybe segmentation issues. Sometimes segment boundaries can mess with a VPN.

bp

On 3/17/2021 7:50 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:




I  have  a  customer  that  has  some type of VPN router device on our

system.   Her VPN isn't working anymore.  Her Internet is fine.  I did

a  packet  capture  for her IT guys and sent it to them.  Their answer

is  the  usual  "It's  your  ISPs fault".  I'm not a VPN expert, but I

attached the filtered packet dump.  Looks like things are talking back

and forth.  Any issues anyone can see?





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Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?

[Gino A. Villarini]

WE have some on our DC, no problems so far.

From: AF  on behalf of Tushar Patel 
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 6:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?
N5860-48SC, that looks very reasonable in price. $3500

https://www.fs.com/products/110478.html?currency=USD&paid=google_shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0caCBhCIARIsAGAfuMye1UYxoCavR3iwTBTqQsbmy6EQLlwmoqdA16uOpHxGSUTgMZyLEgwaAiegEALw_wcB

I don’t need so many sfp+ ports oh well

How much would I expect to pay for Juniper for such configuration?


Tushar



On Mar 17, 2021, at 4:45 AM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
Can you give some model numbers please, I looked few Cisco like 504, they were 
like $30,000 on CDW.

I have no experience with Juniper, can you suggest the model jumber please, 
what should I expect to pay for such switch?

Have you used fs.com switches? How long have you used them and 
do they work reliably?
Tushar



On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

Lots of options there, Cisco Nexus, Juniper QFX among others.  
FS.com has some decent ones too.


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From: AF  on behalf of Tushar Patel 
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 8:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?
One of the provider is trying to deliver 100 gig NNI connection to minimize the 
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Looking for 1 or 2 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ports.

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Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?

[Gino A. Villarini]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Juniper-QFX5200-48Y-AFI-48x10G-25G-6x40G-100G-2x-AC-PSU-w-4-post-rack-mounts/333879092681?hash=item4dbcbea5c9:g:rgwAAOSwdRJgHE3w



From: AF  on behalf of Tushar Patel 
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 5:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?
Can you give some model numbers please, I looked few Cisco like 504, they were 
like $30,000 on CDW.

I have no experience with Juniper, can you suggest the model jumber please, 
what should I expect to pay for such switch?

Have you used fs.com switches? How long have you used them and 
do they work reliably?
Tushar



On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

Lots of options there, Cisco Nexus, Juniper QFX among others.  
FS.com has some decent ones too.


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From: AF  on behalf of Tushar Patel 
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 8:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?
One of the provider is trying to deliver 100 gig NNI connection to minimize the 
cross connect cost in the data center, so looking for
Looking for 1 or 2 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ports.

Any suggestions on such switch?

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Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I would suspect maybe segmentation issues. Sometimes segment
  boundaries can mess with a VPN.


bp

On 3/17/2021 7:50 AM, Mark - Myakka
  Technologies wrote:


  I  have  a  customer  that  has  some type of VPN router device on our
system.   Her VPN isn't working anymore.  Her Internet is fine.  I did
a  packet  capture  for her IT guys and sent it to them.  Their answer
is  the  usual  "It's  your  ISPs fault".  I'm not a VPN expert, but I
attached the filtered packet dump.  Looks like things are talking back
and forth.  Any issues anyone can see?


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Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?

[Tushar Patel]

Thank you. I will try to get that.

 

Tushar

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel P
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 7:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?

 

I would suggest the Cisco 93180,  I am sure its too many ports for your needs 
it would give tons of room to expand.  the 48x sfp+ also support 25G.   We have 
dozens of them in use moving hundreds of gbps of traffic.  on the used market 
you should find them 3-5k

 

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 3:45 AM Tushar Patel mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com> > wrote:

Can you give some model numbers please, I looked few Cisco like 504, they were 
like $30,000 on CDW. 

 

I have no experience with Juniper, can you suggest the model jumber please, 
what should I expect to pay for such switch?

 

Have you used fs.com   switches? How long have you used them and 
do they work reliably?

Tushar

 





On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

 

Lots of options there, Cisco Nexus, Juniper QFX among others.  FS.com has some 
decent ones too. 

 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
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Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 8:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com   mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?

One of the provider is trying to deliver 100 gig NNI connection to minimize the 
cross connect cost in the data center, so looking for 
Looking for 1 or 2 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ports.

Any suggestions on such switch? 

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Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues


Adam,

No NAT, but yes on PPPoE, so smaller MTU.  ONT is already bridged.  Also, this was working fine since June 2020 and all of a sudden stopped working.



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I don't think the issue can be determined from that.
.but if both points can reach one another then it's pretty much always NAT/ALG issue, or an MTU issue.
Is there anything that would prevent this end user from sending and receiving 1500 byte packets?  PPPoE?  Tunneling of any sort?  There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but some devices (Sonicwall) don't participate in MTU discovery, or seem to ignore the path MTU.  That isn't "your fault" but you can probably fix it.
NAT stuff is harder to pin down, but for example we had someone who's VPN wouldn't work consistently through NAT on a UFiber Nano ONT, but when we bridged the ONT and moved NAT to a Mikrotik behind it magically everything worked.  

On 3/17/2021 10:50 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:




I  have  a  customer  that  has  some type of VPN router device on our
system.   Her VPN isn't working anymore.  Her Internet is fine.  I did
a  packet  capture  for her IT guys and sent it to them.  Their answer
is  the  usual  "It's  your  ISPs fault".  I'm not a VPN expert, but I
attached the filtered packet dump.  Looks like things are talking back
and forth.  Any issues anyone can see?


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Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

[Adam Moffett]

I don't think the issue can be determined from that.

.but if both points can reach one another then it's pretty much 
always NAT/ALG issue, or an MTU issue.


Is there anything that would prevent this end user from sending and 
receiving 1500 byte packets?  PPPoE?  Tunneling of any sort? There's 
nothing inherently wrong with that, but some devices (Sonicwall) don't 
participate in MTU discovery, or seem to ignore the path MTU.  That 
isn't "your fault" but you can probably fix it.


NAT stuff is harder to pin down, but for example we had someone who's 
VPN wouldn't work consistently through NAT on a UFiber Nano ONT, but 
when we bridged the ONT and moved NAT to a Mikrotik behind it magically 
everything worked.



On 3/17/2021 10:50 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

I  have  a  customer  that  has  some type of VPN router device on our
system.   Her VPN isn't working anymore.  Her Internet is fine.  I did
a  packet  capture  for her IT guys and sent it to them.  Their answer
is  the  usual  "It's  your  ISPs fault".  I'm not a VPN expert, but I
attached the filtered packet dump.  Looks like things are talking back
and forth.  Any issues anyone can see?


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[AFMUG] VPN issues

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

I  have  a  customer  that  has  some type of VPN router device on our
system.   Her VPN isn't working anymore.  Her Internet is fine.  I did
a  packet  capture  for her IT guys and sent it to them.  Their answer
is  the  usual  "It's  your  ISPs fault".  I'm not a VPN expert, but I
attached the filtered packet dump.  Looks like things are talking back
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Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?

[Josh Baird]

Ignore cdw.com prices.  People NEVER pay that price.  Either ask your CDW
account rep or look at other vendors.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 5:45 AM Tushar Patel  wrote:

> Can you give some model numbers please, I looked few Cisco like 504, they
> were like $30,000 on CDW.
>
> I have no experience with Juniper, can you suggest the model jumber
> please, what should I expect to pay for such switch?
>
> Have you used fs.com switches? How long have you used them and do they
> work reliably?
>
> Tushar
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Lots of options there, Cisco Nexus, Juniper QFX among others.  FS.com has
> some decent ones too.
>
>
>
> *Gino*
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> *Date: *Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 8:11 PM
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?
>
> One of the provider is trying to deliver 100 gig NNI connection to
> minimize the cross connect cost in the data center, so looking for
> Looking for 1 or 2 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ports.
>
> Any suggestions on such switch?
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Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?

[Daniel P]

I would suggest the Cisco 93180,  I am sure its too many ports for your
needs it would give tons of room to expand.  the 48x sfp+ also support
25G.   We have dozens of them in use moving hundreds of gbps of traffic.
on the used market you should find them 3-5k

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 3:45 AM Tushar Patel  wrote:

> Can you give some model numbers please, I looked few Cisco like 504, they
> were like $30,000 on CDW.
>
> I have no experience with Juniper, can you suggest the model jumber
> please, what should I expect to pay for such switch?
>
> Have you used fs.com switches? How long have you used them and do they
> work reliably?
>
> Tushar
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Lots of options there, Cisco Nexus, Juniper QFX among others.  FS.com has
> some decent ones too.
>
>
>
> *Gino*
> *Villarini *Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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> *To: *af@af.afmug.com 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?
>
> One of the provider is trying to deliver 100 gig NNI connection to
> minimize the cross connect cost in the data center, so looking for
> Looking for 1 or 2 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ports.
>
> Any suggestions on such switch?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?

[Tushar Patel]

N5860-48SC, that looks very reasonable in price. $3500

https://www.fs.com/products/110478.html?currency=USD&paid=google_shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0caCBhCIARIsAGAfuMye1UYxoCavR3iwTBTqQsbmy6EQLlwmoqdA16uOpHxGSUTgMZyLEgwaAiegEALw_wcB

I don’t need so many sfp+ ports oh well

How much would I expect to pay for Juniper for such configuration?



Tushar


> On Mar 17, 2021, at 4:45 AM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
> 
> Can you give some model numbers please, I looked few Cisco like 504, they 
> were like $30,000 on CDW. 
> 
> I have no experience with Juniper, can you suggest the model jumber please, 
> what should I expect to pay for such switch?
> 
> Have you used fs.com switches? How long have you used them and do they work 
> reliably?
> 
> Tushar
> 
> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Lots of options there, Cisco Nexus, Juniper QFX among others.  FS.com has 
>> some decent ones too.
>>  
>> Gino Villarini 
>> Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
>>  
>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>> 
>> From: AF  on behalf of Tushar Patel 
>> 
>> Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 8:11 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?
>> 
>> One of the provider is trying to deliver 100 gig NNI connection to minimize 
>> the cross connect cost in the data center, so looking for 
>> Looking for 1 or 2 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ports.
>> 
>> Any suggestions on such switch? 
>> 
>> Tushar
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?

[Tushar Patel]

Can you give some model numbers please, I looked few Cisco like 504, they were 
like $30,000 on CDW. 

I have no experience with Juniper, can you suggest the model jumber please, 
what should I expect to pay for such switch?

Have you used fs.com switches? How long have you used them and do they work 
reliably?

Tushar


> On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> 
> Lots of options there, Cisco Nexus, Juniper QFX among others.  FS.com has 
> some decent ones too.
>  
> Gino Villarini 
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
>   
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
> 
> From: AF  on behalf of Tushar Patel 
> Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 8:11 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?
> 
> One of the provider is trying to deliver 100 gig NNI connection to minimize 
> the cross connect cost in the data center, so looking for 
> Looking for 1 or 2 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ports.
> 
> Any suggestions on such switch? 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Lots of options there, Cisco Nexus, Juniper QFX among others.  FS.com has some 
decent ones too.


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Subject: [AFMUG] Switch with 2, 100 gig ports and few sfp+ ?
One of the provider is trying to deliver 100 gig NNI connection to minimize the 
cross connect cost in the data center, so looking for
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