Re: [AFMUG] M900 rocket needed

[Robert Bain via AF]

I have several 

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  On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 2:09 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:   I 
could check tomorrow.we might have one.

Do they not sell them anymore?


On 3/18/2021 5:04 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote:
> We made a mistake and bought a rocket from ebay.  It has issues. 
> Anybody have a good working rocket M900 for sale?
>
> gams
>
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Re: [AFMUG] (no subject)

[Colin Stanners]

Not anymore, because of Starlink.

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[Derek Pribnow]

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Re: [AFMUG] M900 rocket needed

[Jan-GAMs]

They are obsolete, we have some customers behind trees and the single 
unit used for an AP wasn't doing the job very well, we need a working 
Rocket.  Send me an email directly, OK?


Gams

On 3/18/21 2:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I could check tomorrow.we might have one.

Do they not sell them anymore?


On 3/18/2021 5:04 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote:
We made a mistake and bought a rocket from ebay.  It has issues. 
Anybody have a good working rocket M900 for sale?


gams






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Re: [AFMUG] M900 rocket needed

[Mathew Howard]

I'm sure I could find one around here somewhere.

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 4:09 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I could check tomorrow.we might have one.
>
> Do they not sell them anymore?
>
>
> On 3/18/2021 5:04 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote:
> > We made a mistake and bought a rocket from ebay.  It has issues.
> > Anybody have a good working rocket M900 for sale?
> >
> > gams
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] M900 rocket needed

[Adam Moffett]

I could check tomorrow.we might have one.

Do they not sell them anymore?


On 3/18/2021 5:04 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote:
We made a mistake and bought a rocket from ebay.  It has issues. 
Anybody have a good working rocket M900 for sale?


gams




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[AFMUG] M900 rocket needed

[Jan-GAMs]

We made a mistake and bought a rocket from ebay.  It has issues. Anybody 
have a good working rocket M900 for sale?


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Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

[Nate Burke]

I'm working a very similar issue right now.  I think I have tracked it 
down to an issue with a single upstream connection, and it looks like 
it's doing something with fragmenting/dropping large packets.  Doing a 
packet capture, it looks like the VPN setup packet is about 2062 bytes 
in size, and it's not getting to the other end.  ICMP Packets will flow 
regardless of size (of course fragmenting)  If I route the traffic over 
any of my other upstreams, it works fine.  I have a ticket open with 
this upstream, but getting them to understand what the issue is has been 
cumbersome.


On 3/18/2021 12:27 PM, Dev wrote:
Do you have other customers with similar config/topology where you can 
test, maybe who hit the same VPN server? PCAP’s aside, VPN’s don’t 
usually like NAT and firewall changes, but you have to divide and 
conquer to track down VPN issues often because the error reporting is 
vague at best typically.


On Mar 17, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:


Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues
Bill,

Well that is the issue.  Could be anything.  Been working fine since 
June.  I have many many more people using VPN's with no issues.


But there is an issue on her link.  This is a fiber link BTW.  Her 
Internet works fine.


Her IT guys have washed their hands of it, pushing it all on me.  Not 
sure how I'm going to figure it out being I don't know what appliance 
she is using yet.  Even when I get that info, I'll have no access to 
it.  Doubt they are going to give me admin privileges on their 
equipment.  Also, I don't get the opportunity to see what errors are 
showing up on server logs.





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	I would suspect maybe segmentation issues. Sometimes segment 
boundaries can mess with a VPN.


bp

On 3/17/2021 7:50 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

I  have  a  customer  that  has  some type of VPN router device on our
system.   Her VPN isn't working anymore.  Her Internet is fine.  I did
a  packet  capture  for her IT guys and sent it to them.  Their answer
is  the  usual  "It's  your  ISPs fault".  I'm not a VPN expert, but I
attached the filtered packet dump.  Looks like things are talking back
and forth.  Any issues anyone can see?


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Re: [AFMUG] VPN issues

[Dev]

Do you have other customers with similar config/topology where you can test, 
maybe who hit the same VPN server? PCAP’s aside, VPN’s don’t usually like NAT 
and firewall changes, but you have to divide and conquer to track down VPN 
issues often because the error reporting is vague at best typically. 

> On Mar 17, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  
> wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> Well that is the issue.  Could be anything.  Been working fine since June.  I 
> have many many more people using VPN's with no issues.
> 
> But there is an issue on her link.  This is a fiber link BTW.  Her Internet 
> works fine.
> 
> Her IT guys have washed their hands of it, pushing it all on me.  Not sure 
> how I'm going to figure it out being I don't know what appliance she is using 
> yet.  Even when I get that info, I'll have no access to it.  Doubt they are 
> going to give me admin privileges on their equipment.  Also, I don't get the 
> opportunity to see what errors are showing up on server logs.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> --
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> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
> 
> 
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com 
> 
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> 
> Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 11:27:35 AM, you wrote:
> 
> 
> I would suspect maybe segmentation issues. Sometimes segment boundaries can 
> mess with a VPN.
> 
> bp
> 
> On 3/17/2021 7:50 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
> 
> I  have  a  customer  that  has  some type of VPN router device on our
> system.   Her VPN isn't working anymore.  Her Internet is fine.  I did
> a  packet  capture  for her IT guys and sent it to them.  Their answer
> is  the  usual  "It's  your  ISPs fault".  I'm not a VPN expert, but I
> attached the filtered packet dump.  Looks like things are talking back
> and forth.  Any issues anyone can see?
> 
> 
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> Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] AF Digest, Vol 34, Issue 259

[Ryan McAfee]

>
> > >>
> > >> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
> > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:18 PM
> > >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> microsoft all the way. slower to adopt new toy tech, longer support of
> > >> outdated endpoints, stodgy old goats are reliable old goats. The whole
> > >> current security issue is a nothingburger to me as I assume google
> just
> > >> never comes clean
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 12:48 PM Steven Kenney 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> You have a choice of moving your office applications, all of its
> > >> documents, email server , video conferencing, project management  and
> > other
> > >> applications from on prem to cloud based.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Which one do you choose?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> One will cost more than the other for sure.
> > >>
> > >> One allows you to join a domain via Azure AD and set policies and
> remote
> > >> manage computers
> > >>
> > >> One will be better to bounce SSO and auth off.
> > >>
> > >> One is more reliable than the other.
> > >>
> > >> One is more trustworthy than the other (although both are deep in
> > >> government and alphabet agencies).
> > >>
> > >> One offers a nicer user experience for less technical people.  IE:
> more
> > >> accessible / user friendly
> > >>
> > >> One offers a more granular experience for more technical people.
> > >>
> > >> One is more compatible with a wide variety of hardware and software
> > >> operating systems
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Consider this for a staff of 40 people half of which are technical
> half
> > >> which are not as technical.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Which route would you go?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> [image: logo] <https://www.wavedirect.net/>
> > >>
> > >> <https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed>
> > >> <https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/>
> > >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/>
> > >> <https://twitter.com/wavedirect1>
> > >> <https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect>
> > >>
> > >> *STEVEN KENNEY *
> > >> *DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY *
> > >>
> > >> *A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org
> > >>  | P: 519-737-9283 W: www.wavedirect.net
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Re: [AFMUG] AF Digest, Vol 34, Issue 257

[Ryan McAfee]

 these same organizations are moving their applications
> >> environments to AWS and Azure in large volume.   We are seeing
> healthcare
> >> organizations handling HIPAA and HITRUST requirements as well as strong
> PCI
> >> requirement driven movement.   While we don?t have data points for these
> >> kinds of movements, we are not seeing much push to move towards Google.
> >> This same movement is pushing down to smaller and smaller organizations
> all
> >> the time.   We recently had a client with 3 employees move from Google
> to
> >> Microsoft?s Office 365 as they struggled with some of the gaps in the
> >> Google offering.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The Teams client has been problematic as I understand it, however, for a
> >> year, our consultants feel it surpasses Zoom and Webex.   We don?t see
> >> enough of Google Meet for that to even be a comparison.   A big benefit
> to
> >> Teams is that includes the functionality of Slack (for the most part),
> >> Zoom, and shared file systems/repositories.   Additionally it is
> integrated
> >> into Outlook very well.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> All this being said, there are always reasons for organizations to pick
> >> another option.   My wife?s firm has been using Google for 6-7 years,
> but
> >> they are actively looking to move towards Microsoft, just hard to pull
> the
> >> trigger like that in a year like 2020.   There are several reasons, not
> the
> >> least of which are:
> >>
> >>1. You get an Office apps license for users that you pay extra for.
> >>It is lots easier then managing separate Office and Google app
> licenses.
> >>2. You get 1 TB of drive storage for each user allowing them to back
> >>up their computer hard drives without having to purchase another
> license
> >>for something to do that.
> >>3. No need to have Slack and Teams, can do it all in Teams (they had
> >>this before Hangout was mature enough)
> >>4. No need to have Zoom and Teams can do it all in Teams (they had
> >>this before Meet was mature enough)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Honestly, we really don?t see any 40 person organizations move to Google
> >> from Office365.  It is always the other way around.But obviously
> that
> >> is just our experience so take that for what it?s worth. (not much ?)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> David Coudron
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:18 PM
> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> microsoft all the way. slower to adopt new toy tech, longer support of
> >> outdated endpoints, stodgy old goats are reliable old goats. The whole
> >> current security issue is a nothingburger to me as I assume google just
> >> never comes clean
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 12:48 PM Steven Kenney 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> You have a choice of moving your office applications, all of its
> >> documents, email server , video conferencing, project management  and
> other
> >> applications from on prem to cloud based.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Which one do you choose?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> One will cost more than the other for sure.
> >>
> >> One allows you to join a domain via Azure AD and set policies and remote
> >> manage computers
> >>
> >> One will be better to bounce SSO and auth off.
> >>
> >> One is more reliable than the other.
> >>
> >> One is more trustworthy than the other (although both are deep in
> >> government and alphabet agencies).
> >>
> >> One offers a nicer user experience for less technical people.  IE: more
> >> accessible / user friendly
> >>
> >> One offers a more granular experience for more technical people.
> >>
> >> One is more compatible with a wide variety of hardware and software
> >> operating systems
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Consider this for a staff of 40 people half of which are technical half
> >> which are not as technical.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Which route would you go?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [image: logo] <https://www.wavedirect.net/>
> >>
> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed>
> >> <https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/>
> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/>
> >> <https://twitter.com/wavedirect1>
> >> <https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect>
> >>
> >> *STEVEN KENNEY *
> >> *DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY *
> >>
> >> *A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org
> >>  | P: 519-737-9283 W: www.wavedirect.net
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Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google

[Erich Kaiser]

If you want privacy use Microsoft Office 365. Several IT consultants have
told me that they will not use Google because of this reason.  We have both
Google and Office 365 and if i had to go to one i would go to Microsoft
Office 365.  Not to mention you get the microsoft office suite for multiple
PCs for each full user.



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On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:11 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> this thread got me looking at microsoft options again, im having issues
> with our openfire server and trillian messenger not keeping in sync, its a
> versioning issue. but it looks like teams has the old microsoft messenger
> now, im betting this would solve that.
>
> we have an issue, our company email is also our customer email, we host at
> rackspace, and we use hosted exchange for company emails through them,
> customers are primarily pop. the whole shared domain with a 3rd party
> hosted exchange thing has always been weird with resource visibility.
>
> Im looking at the microsoft options, anybody here doing the split domain
> routing for email successfully?
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:50 AM Steven Kenney 
> wrote:
>
>> Well this is a case of combining a lot of people into 1 system who are
>> used to their own systems.  So some people prefer Google some prefer
>> Microsoft and I need to be the voice of reason and break it down for all to
>> see.  So the decision will be clear.
>>
>>
>> [image: logo] 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> * STEVEN KENNEY *
>> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N |
>> Leamington ON
>> E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
>> W: www.wavedirect.net
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 17, 2021 12:28:24 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google
>>
>> We love Google apps going on 9 years now. I've never been a fan of
>> Microsoft.
>>
>> We also use slack but if Microsoft includes much of the functionality of
>> slack and zoom in their offerings, it may be worth looking into for someone
>> wanting to switch.
>>
>> We love Google too much and have very few pain points so there is nothing
>> driving us to even research an alternative.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 3:41 PM David Coudron 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We work with a number of mid to enterprise sized corporate clients as
>>> part of our consulting practice.   Within those communities, Google’s
>>> toolset holds a very small piece of the market, if even countable.
>>> Microsoft’s toolset, (Office 365 with Exchange, Teams, Sharepoint, Outlook,
>>> etc) seems to be very stable and very secure.   These organizations spend a
>>> lot of time looking at these kinds of things.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Additionally, these same organizations are moving their applications
>>> environments to AWS and Azure in large volume.   We are seeing healthcare
>>> organizations handling HIPAA and HITRUST requirements as well as strong PCI
>>> requirement driven movement.   While we don’t have data points for these
>>> kinds of movements, we are not seeing much push to move towards Google.
>>> This same movement is pushing down to smaller and smaller organizations all
>>> the time.   We recently had a client with 3 employees move from Google to
>>> Microsoft’s Office 365 as they struggled with some of the gaps in the
>>> Google offering.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Teams client has been problematic as I understand it, however, for a
>>> year, our consultants feel it surpasses Zoom and Webex.   We don’t see
>>> enough of Google Meet for that to even be a comparison.   A big benefit to
>>> Teams is that includes the functionality of Slack (for the most part),
>>> Zoom, and shared file systems/repositories.   Additionally it is integrated
>>> into Outlook very well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All this being said, there are always reasons for organizations to pick
>>> another option.   My wife’s firm has been using Google for 6-7 years, but
>>> they are actively looking to move towards Microsoft, just hard to pull the
>>> trigger like that in a year like 2020.   There are several reasons, not the
>>> least of which are:
>>>
>>>1. You get an Office apps license for users that you pay extra for.
>>>It is lots easier then managing separate Office and Google app licenses.
>>>2. You get 1 TB of drive storage for each user allowing them to back
>>>up their computer hard drives without having to purchase another license
>>>for something to do that.
>>>3. No need to have Slack and Teams, can do it all in Teams (they had
>>>this before Hangout was mature enough)
>>>4. No need to have Zoom and Teams can do it all in Teams (they had
>>>this before Meet was mature enough)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Honestly, we really don’t see any 40 

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google

[Steve Jones]

this thread got me looking at microsoft options again, im having issues
with our openfire server and trillian messenger not keeping in sync, its a
versioning issue. but it looks like teams has the old microsoft messenger
now, im betting this would solve that.

we have an issue, our company email is also our customer email, we host at
rackspace, and we use hosted exchange for company emails through them,
customers are primarily pop. the whole shared domain with a 3rd party
hosted exchange thing has always been weird with resource visibility.

Im looking at the microsoft options, anybody here doing the split domain
routing for email successfully?

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:50 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> Well this is a case of combining a lot of people into 1 system who are
> used to their own systems.  So some people prefer Google some prefer
> Microsoft and I need to be the voice of reason and break it down for all to
> see.  So the decision will be clear.
>
>
> [image: logo] 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> * STEVEN KENNEY *
> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N |
> Leamington ON
> E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
> W: www.wavedirect.net
>
> --
> *From: *"Darin Steffl" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 17, 2021 12:28:24 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google
>
> We love Google apps going on 9 years now. I've never been a fan of
> Microsoft.
>
> We also use slack but if Microsoft includes much of the functionality of
> slack and zoom in their offerings, it may be worth looking into for someone
> wanting to switch.
>
> We love Google too much and have very few pain points so there is nothing
> driving us to even research an alternative.
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 3:41 PM David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
>> We work with a number of mid to enterprise sized corporate clients as
>> part of our consulting practice.   Within those communities, Google’s
>> toolset holds a very small piece of the market, if even countable.
>> Microsoft’s toolset, (Office 365 with Exchange, Teams, Sharepoint, Outlook,
>> etc) seems to be very stable and very secure.   These organizations spend a
>> lot of time looking at these kinds of things.
>>
>>
>>
>> Additionally, these same organizations are moving their applications
>> environments to AWS and Azure in large volume.   We are seeing healthcare
>> organizations handling HIPAA and HITRUST requirements as well as strong PCI
>> requirement driven movement.   While we don’t have data points for these
>> kinds of movements, we are not seeing much push to move towards Google.
>> This same movement is pushing down to smaller and smaller organizations all
>> the time.   We recently had a client with 3 employees move from Google to
>> Microsoft’s Office 365 as they struggled with some of the gaps in the
>> Google offering.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Teams client has been problematic as I understand it, however, for a
>> year, our consultants feel it surpasses Zoom and Webex.   We don’t see
>> enough of Google Meet for that to even be a comparison.   A big benefit to
>> Teams is that includes the functionality of Slack (for the most part),
>> Zoom, and shared file systems/repositories.   Additionally it is integrated
>> into Outlook very well.
>>
>>
>>
>> All this being said, there are always reasons for organizations to pick
>> another option.   My wife’s firm has been using Google for 6-7 years, but
>> they are actively looking to move towards Microsoft, just hard to pull the
>> trigger like that in a year like 2020.   There are several reasons, not the
>> least of which are:
>>
>>1. You get an Office apps license for users that you pay extra for.
>>It is lots easier then managing separate Office and Google app licenses.
>>2. You get 1 TB of drive storage for each user allowing them to back
>>up their computer hard drives without having to purchase another license
>>for something to do that.
>>3. No need to have Slack and Teams, can do it all in Teams (they had
>>this before Hangout was mature enough)
>>4. No need to have Zoom and Teams can do it all in Teams (they had
>>this before Meet was mature enough)
>>
>>
>>
>> Honestly, we really don’t see any 40 person organizations move to Google
>> from Office365.  It is always the other way around.But obviously that
>> is just our experience so take that for what it’s worth. (not much )
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:18 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google
>>
>>
>>
>> microsoft all the way. slower to adopt new toy tech, longer support of
>> outdated