[AFMUG] SIP ALG - opinions?

2022-01-07 Thread dmmoffett
There are elevnty billion self help articles on the Internet advising people
to disable SIP ALG's in their routers if they're having dropped calls or
audio problems.

 

...but why then does every single router have this feature and have it
enabled by default?  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] SIP ALG - opinions?

2022-01-07 Thread Steve Jones
same reason most routers list the wireless MAC and not the WAN MAC

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 9:11 AM  wrote:

> There are elevnty billion self help articles on the Internet advising
> people to disable SIP ALG’s in their routers if they’re having dropped
> calls or audio problems.
>
>
>
> …..but why then does every single router have this feature and have it
> enabled by default?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Chain 0, Chain 1

2022-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
If you had the short jumpers you were forced into that.

Traditionally, yes, ch0 is hpol.

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On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 6:18 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Thanks
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, 2:28 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> Depends what they're plugged in to...
>>
>> I think that's what they line up with on Ubiquiti antennas, but they
>> could theoretically be either. If I remember correctly, chain 0 is H and 1
>> is V on all of the Ubiquiti radios with integrated antennas (powerbeams,
>> nanostations, etc.), but it should make any difference if they're
>> mismatched.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 1:42 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Ubiquiti AC Gen2 Rockets...aren't chain 0 horizontal and chain 1
>>> vertical polarity?
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Re: [AFMUG] cnWave v3000 in snowy environments

2022-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
The first summer mine fell apart.  For a Force 200 at 5 GHz I don't think
it was super necessary - I don't think I've had a single case where they
would have eliminated a service call.

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On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 3:06 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I did.  It was a flop in the market.
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 6, 2022 12:46 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnWave v3000 in snowy environments
>
>
> I’m pretty sure someone really did make a dish ice cover that was a
> drawstring sack.  Pull string, tie knot, done.  Same idea as trash bag, but
> it was sized for the dish and looked a little nicer.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 06, 2022 2:16 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnWave v3000 in snowy environments
>
>
>
> coming soon, McCown technology UV stabilized trash bags!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:56 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Trash bags are proven, effective and cheap.  You just have to replace them
> when they get shredded.
>
>
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 6, 2022 11:38 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnWave v3000 in snowy environments
>
>
>
> Until cambium or another vendor provides a better professional solution
> then we gotta do what we gotta do lol.
>
>
>
> Sean
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 11:34 AM Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
> Wrapping antennas in cellophane is like going back to early 2000s "indoor
> Linksys routers in tupperware" hackery.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, 12:08 PM Sean Heskett,  wrote:
>
> We are going to try some different sprays as well as wrapping the antenna
> in cellophane (like what boat owners use to winterize their boats) to
> create a makeshift radome
>
>
>
> Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 7:26 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Travis's suggestion of a hefty garbage bag comes to mind.  That was the
> best they found.  But since it's high frequency it's probably not hiding
> from plain sight on a tower.
>
>
>
> Have you tried an annual spray of NeverWet?  Works great on my shoes.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 6:02 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Are there any other WISPs who have installed cambium cnWave v3000s in a
> snowy environment? We are having trouble with snow building up on the
> dishes.
>
>
>
> It would be nice if Cambium allowed you to install it upside down but then
> the cable glands are facing up.
>
>
>
> It would also be nice if there was some sort of radome.
>
>
>
> Or if there was a heating pad you could power with the AUX port power.
>
>
>
> thoughts??  ideas??
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a good solution they are using?
>
>
>
> *Sean Heskett*
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] cnWave v3000 in snowy environments

2022-01-07 Thread Colin Stanners
Also a flop in the wind!

Huh huh huh

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, 2:06 PM Chuck McCown via AF,  wrote:

> I did.  It was a flop in the market.
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 6, 2022 12:46 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnWave v3000 in snowy environments
>
>
> I’m pretty sure someone really did make a dish ice cover that was a
> drawstring sack.  Pull string, tie knot, done.  Same idea as trash bag, but
> it was sized for the dish and looked a little nicer.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 06, 2022 2:16 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnWave v3000 in snowy environments
>
>
>
> coming soon, McCown technology UV stabilized trash bags!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:56 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Trash bags are proven, effective and cheap.  You just have to replace them
> when they get shredded.
>
>
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 6, 2022 11:38 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnWave v3000 in snowy environments
>
>
>
> Until cambium or another vendor provides a better professional solution
> then we gotta do what we gotta do lol.
>
>
>
> Sean
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 11:34 AM Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
> Wrapping antennas in cellophane is like going back to early 2000s "indoor
> Linksys routers in tupperware" hackery.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, 12:08 PM Sean Heskett,  wrote:
>
> We are going to try some different sprays as well as wrapping the antenna
> in cellophane (like what boat owners use to winterize their boats) to
> create a makeshift radome
>
>
>
> Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 7:26 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Travis's suggestion of a hefty garbage bag comes to mind.  That was the
> best they found.  But since it's high frequency it's probably not hiding
> from plain sight on a tower.
>
>
>
> Have you tried an annual spray of NeverWet?  Works great on my shoes.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 6:02 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Are there any other WISPs who have installed cambium cnWave v3000s in a
> snowy environment? We are having trouble with snow building up on the
> dishes.
>
>
>
> It would be nice if Cambium allowed you to install it upside down but then
> the cable glands are facing up.
>
>
>
> It would also be nice if there was some sort of radome.
>
>
>
> Or if there was a heating pad you could power with the AUX port power.
>
>
>
> thoughts??  ideas??
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a good solution they are using?
>
>
>
> *Sean Heskett*
>
>
>
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[AFMUG] list issues

2022-01-07 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Over the past 3 days about half the list has been removed due to excessive 
bounces.  

A new owner took over the server company in the past  year and I have had this 
problem twice now. 

I can’t download the remaining member emails, they are not answering the phone 
or trouble tickets.  

I can install mailman here and move things over.  I just wish I had a copy of 
the subscriber list.  The only way to get the remaining ones is to screen 
scrape the mailman membership pages.  

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Re: [AFMUG] list issues

2022-01-07 Thread Bill Prince

  
  
Crappola.


bp

On 1/7/2022 9:23 AM, Chuck McCown via
  AF wrote:


  
  

  Over the past 3 days about half the list has been removed
due to excessive bounces.  
   
  A new owner took over the server company in the past 
year and I have had this problem twice now. 
   
  I can’t download the remaining member emails, they are
not answering the phone or trouble tickets.  
   
  I can install mailman here and move things over.  I just
wish I had a copy of the subscriber list.  The only way to
get the remaining ones is to screen scrape the mailman
membership pages.  
   
   

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] list issues

2022-01-07 Thread TJ Trout
every message in the last few days is coming in marked as spam, luckily I
have a filter to not move the list to spam, but I'm getting crazy warnings
(gmail)

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 9:24 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Over the past 3 days about half the list has been removed due to excessive
> bounces.
>
> A new owner took over the server company in the past  year and I have had
> this problem twice now.
>
> I can’t download the remaining member emails, they are not answering the
> phone or trouble tickets.
>
> I can install mailman here and move things over.  I just wish I had a copy
> of the subscriber list.  The only way to get the remaining ones is to
> screen scrape the mailman membership pages.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] list issues

2022-01-07 Thread TJ Trout
I have a hostgator server that is running cpanel which has mailman, I can
create an account for you for free, if you want to test/switch over. Not
sure on their email delivery reputation, but I have customers use them and
no major issues.

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 9:26 AM TJ Trout  wrote:

> every message in the last few days is coming in marked as spam, luckily I
> have a filter to not move the list to spam, but I'm getting crazy warnings
> (gmail)
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 9:24 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Over the past 3 days about half the list has been removed due to
>> excessive bounces.
>>
>> A new owner took over the server company in the past  year and I have had
>> this problem twice now.
>>
>> I can’t download the remaining member emails, they are not answering the
>> phone or trouble tickets.
>>
>> I can install mailman here and move things over.  I just wish I had a
>> copy of the subscriber list.  The only way to get the remaining ones is to
>> screen scrape the mailman membership pages.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] SIP ALG - opinions?

2022-01-07 Thread dmmoffett
Is there an opposite of survivorship bias?

 

The people who’s VoIP worked out of the box with no issues are using SIP ALG 
because it’s on by default and they had no need to disable it.  The people who 
have a problem are told “disable SIP ALG” and apparently it helps a lot of them.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 11:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SIP ALG - opinions?

 

same reason most routers list the wireless MAC and not the WAN MAC

 

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 9:11 AM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

There are elevnty billion self help articles on the Internet advising people to 
disable SIP ALG’s in their routers if they’re having dropped calls or audio 
problems.

 

…..but why then does every single router have this feature and have it enabled 
by default?  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] list issues

2022-01-07 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
We may take  you up on that.  
Or install mailman locally.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 10:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] list issues

I have a hostgator server that is running cpanel which has mailman, I can 
create an account for you for free, if you want to test/switch over. Not sure 
on their email delivery reputation, but I have customers use them and no major 
issues.

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 9:26 AM TJ Trout  wrote:

  every message in the last few days is coming in marked as spam, luckily I 
have a filter to not move the list to spam, but I'm getting crazy warnings 
(gmail)

  On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 9:24 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

Over the past 3 days about half the list has been removed due to excessive 
bounces.  

A new owner took over the server company in the past  year and I have had 
this problem twice now. 

I can’t download the remaining member emails, they are not answering the 
phone or trouble tickets.  

I can install mailman here and move things over.  I just wish I had a copy 
of the subscriber list.  The only way to get the remaining ones is to screen 
scrape the mailman membership pages.  


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Re: [AFMUG] list issues

2022-01-07 Thread TJ Trout
Either way, cpanel is a nice ui to manage. I can also spin a VM if you want
to diy.

Another option may be Google groups mailing lists, you need a business
account to go above 100 members and I don't know all of the specifics but
this might be a good alternative.

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022, 10:19 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> We may take  you up on that.
> Or install mailman locally.
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Friday, January 7, 2022 10:30 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] list issues
>
> I have a hostgator server that is running cpanel which has mailman, I can
> create an account for you for free, if you want to test/switch over. Not
> sure on their email delivery reputation, but I have customers use them and
> no major issues.
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 9:26 AM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> every message in the last few days is coming in marked as spam, luckily I
>> have a filter to not move the list to spam, but I'm getting crazy warnings
>> (gmail)
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 9:24 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Over the past 3 days about half the list has been removed due to
>>> excessive bounces.
>>>
>>> A new owner took over the server company in the past  year and I have
>>> had this problem twice now.
>>>
>>> I can’t download the remaining member emails, they are not answering the
>>> phone or trouble tickets.
>>>
>>> I can install mailman here and move things over.  I just wish I had a
>>> copy of the subscriber list.  The only way to get the remaining ones is to
>>> screen scrape the mailman membership pages.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] list issues

2022-01-07 Thread Bill Prince

  
  
There is also groups.io. I belong to a couple of groups with
  them, and it works very well. There is a free version, but I don't
  know what the limits are. The basic version is (I think) around
  $240/year for up to 500 members. That gets a few interesting
  features, like 30GB of storage, and unlimited subgroups (hey, we
  could make OT a subgroup). This option has a feature where members
  can donate to the upkeep.

https://groups.io/static/pricing

bp

On 1/7/2022 10:45 AM, TJ Trout wrote:


  
  Either way, cpanel is a nice ui to manage. I can
also spin a VM if you want to diy. 


Another option may be Google groups mailing
  lists, you need a business account to go above 100 members and
  I don't know all of the specifics but this might be a good
  alternative. 
  
  
  
On Fri, Jan 7, 2022, 10:19 AM
  Chuck McCown via AF 
  wrote:


  

  
We may take  you up on that.  

  
Or install
mailman locally.  
 

  From: TJ
  Trout 
  Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 10:30 AM
  To: AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] list issues

  
   


  
I have a hostgator server that is
  running cpanel which has mailman, I can create an
  account for you for free, if you want to
  test/switch over. Not sure on their email delivery
  reputation, but I have customers use them and no
  major issues.
 

  On Fri, Jan 7,
2022 at 9:26 AM TJ Trout 
wrote:
  
  
every message in the last few
  days is coming in marked as spam, luckily I
  have a filter to not move the list to spam,
  but I'm getting crazy warnings (gmail)
 

  On Fri, Jan
7, 2022 at 9:24 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:
  
  

  

  Over the past 3 days about half
the list has been removed due to
excessive bounces.  
   
  A new owner took over the server
company in the past  year and I have
had this problem twice now. 
   
  I can’t download the remaining
member emails, they are not
answering the phone or trouble
tickets.  
   
  I can install mailman here and
move things over.  I just wish I had
a copy of the subscriber list.  The
only way to get the remaining ones
is to screen scrape the mailman
membership pages.  
   
   

  

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Re: [AFMUG] SIP ALG - opinions?

2022-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman
Back in the day it did seem to help.  But not all devices had the feature.

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On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 1:15 PM  wrote:

> Is there an opposite of survivorship bias?
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> The people who’s VoIP worked out of the box with no issues are using SIP
> ALG because it’s on by default and they had no need to disable it.  The
> people who have a problem are told “disable SIP ALG” and apparently it
> helps a lot of them.
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> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, January 07, 2022 11:05 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SIP ALG - opinions?
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> same reason most routers list the wireless MAC and not the WAN MAC
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> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 9:11 AM  wrote:
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> There are elevnty billion self help articles on the Internet advising
> people to disable SIP ALG’s in their routers if they’re having dropped
> calls or audio problems.
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> …..but why then does every single router have this feature and have it
> enabled by default?
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